1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: The National Airline this week like it is most week. 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: As in the news Nichola Willis who met with him 3 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: I think yesterday or was supposed to meet with them yesterday. 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: Isn't against the market study Apparently. James Meagher, a new 5 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: Minister for the South Island, waxed lyrical last week about 6 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: the government helping them out on regional routes in terms 7 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: of pricing. Are their issues around planes and engines and 8 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: our folk law of course, And amidst all of this, 9 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: the CEO Greg Fan announced he is leaving and I 10 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: think pretty much he's talking to us for the first time. 11 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Nice to see you, Yeah, good to see you, Marke. 12 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Is it one of those weird things where you know 13 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: when you're leaving or did you arrive knowing when you 14 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: would leave? Because CEOs last five years, seven years, whatever 15 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:36,279 Speaker 1: it is. 16 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Look, I had in the back of my mind 17 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 2: I'd probably do about five to six years with their 18 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: New Zealand there's other things that I'm keen to do. 19 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,520 Speaker 2: And you know, when I took the job, I said 20 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: to the board to terrese by the way of credible chair, 21 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 2: one of the best I've worked with, I said to her, 22 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: probably get me for about five to six years, and 23 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 2: as we've gone through that period, I've kept her abreast 24 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 2: of my thinking and then you know, come March, I said, 25 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 2: right now, it's about the time I want to give 26 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: you a lengthy running period that suited her, suited the company. 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 2: So I'm here to the end of October. 28 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: Would you recommend the job to people? Yes? 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 2: I would. It has been one of the peak learning experiences. 30 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: I have had my not easy and you know, I've 31 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,119 Speaker 2: had my share of niggles that I've had to deal with. 32 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: And continue to. 33 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:36,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would say to you I am a 34 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: far better leader today than what I was before I 35 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: took the job. And you know I had a reasonable 36 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 2: job before I came into this one. But honestly, I 37 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: would be much better running walmart Us today from what 38 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 2: I have learned being at Air New Zealand than what 39 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: I was when I took that job eleven years ago. 40 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: You can't know what you would have to wade through 41 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: when you came here, can you. 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: I had no idea. I had not heard of COVID 43 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: when I got the job. It hadn't surfaced at that point. 44 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 2: I think we first heard about it about November twenty nineteen. 45 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: I got the job, I think probably about October, so 46 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: I had no idea, no idea that you know, we 47 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 2: would stop the first flight on the very first day 48 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,080 Speaker 2: that I started in the company. It was ironic. I 49 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,839 Speaker 2: was in Rodarua yesterday. I was talking to the team 50 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:35,679 Speaker 2: at the airport. Some of the team were there on 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: the Saturday before we shut the country down, and we 52 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: were reminiscing that. I got a telephone call from Jasinder 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 2: on that Saturday giving me a heads up that she 54 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,120 Speaker 2: was probably looking to close the borders. I think we 55 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: closed them on the Tuesday, but on that Saturday I 56 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 2: got a call. And here I was yesterday reminiscing with 57 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: the team and you know, just over five years ago 58 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: that was going to happen. 59 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: Did you feel unlucky in the sense you could have gone, 60 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: say to fishing and Pipal Healthcare and got into masks 61 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: and respirators and COVID would have been fantastic. Airlines was 62 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: not the business to be in for COVID. 63 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 2: Look, I think there are certainly some days when I 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: get up and I'm having a shave before I come 65 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: to work, and I'm thinking about Rolls Royce and Pratt 66 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: and Whitney or capital raises or those sort of things. 67 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 2: But you have to put those at the back of 68 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: your mind and you have to play the hand that 69 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: you've got dealt. And I tend to be pretty optimistic 70 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: about things, balanced but optimistic. I play a long game. 71 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: I know that I have short term issues that I 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 2: have to deal with. I have to deal with what's 73 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: the on time performance today in cancelations and refunds and 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: those sort of things. But fundamentally, my job here was 75 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 2: to build on the legacy that I had inherited, and 76 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: that's what I've said about doing. You know, we want 77 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: to grow our domestic business, we want to enhance our 78 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 2: international business. We want to take our loyalty operation and 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: drive that and that plan still exists today despite the 80 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: niggles that I have to deal with. So I always 81 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: kept the long term in mind, knowing that I'll have 82 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: to deal with issues day to day. So that's how 83 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 2: it's interesting. 84 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: My criticism of you, not that it matters, is when 85 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: you announced your resignation came to me anyway, at a 86 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: time when the airline's still got a lot of issues. 87 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: You don't go see all that stuff that was problematic 88 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: it's now fixed. See you later. Yeah, you leave at 89 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: a time when there's more to do. Is that difficult 90 00:04:41,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: to justify personally or not? Well? 91 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 2: Of course, I, from my position, know a little bit 92 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 2: more about what's coming down the pipeline and what's going 93 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 2: to be here by the end of October, So I 94 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: would say to you, I think the timing is actually 95 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 2: pretty good. And why do I say that? For sure, 96 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 2: there will be some issues that will still be ongoing 97 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: for the next year and a half, but let's talk 98 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 2: about the ones that are underway. We said that we 99 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: needed to get retrofits done. The first one is going 100 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,600 Speaker 2: to fly in a week's time. We'll have seven completed 101 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: by the end of the year. We said we need 102 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 2: new aircraft. Those aircraft are now literally going on as 103 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:25,760 Speaker 2: the production line. They will be on the production line 104 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: by October. We have what we call line fit numbers 105 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 2: from Boeing, so I can sit here with confidence and 106 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 2: say this time next year there's two new Boeing seven 107 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 2: eight sevens coming and likely another two by the end 108 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: of next year. So I've wrestled that one to the ground. 109 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: We've got a new hangar which is about to open 110 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: in October. We have replatformed just about every digital system 111 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:58,679 Speaker 2: in the business, and there are a host of things 112 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: that have been done are being done so that when 113 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 2: I hand over at in October, for sure will still 114 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: be dealing with some Rolls Royce challenges. But I think 115 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: that's at the bottom and starting to incrementally prove we'll 116 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: be dealing with Pratt and Whitney at the bottom actually 117 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 2: is improving now, so I actually am am confident that 118 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,599 Speaker 2: if you like, my run of the relay is about 119 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: right good. 120 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: A couple of things just on tourism. Quickly you said 121 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: you're in Rotorua the big tourism things going on. One 122 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: of the announcements made by the government yesterday was part 123 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: of the one of the impediments to getting here visa 124 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: wise has been sorted out to a degree. I won't 125 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: bought people with the detail, but there seems to be 126 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: to me anyway certain things. Chinese and India a couple 127 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: of good markets where we could be doing more than 128 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: we are to get people here and make life VISI 129 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: Is that fair? 130 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 2: It's coming back, is the way that I would put it. 131 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 2: So you know, we were slow out of the blocks. 132 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: China has been the market you know, it was our 133 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 2: biggest and if I spoke to you a few months ago, 134 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 2: we were running it sort of circa fifty two percent 135 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,120 Speaker 2: of pre COVID. I think that number now, Mike is 136 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 2: back to about sixty seven percent. Getting rid of the 137 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: translation fee takes sort of circle one hundred hundred and 138 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: ten dollars off the price of easas these people are 139 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 2: price conscious, I think you'll see incremental improvement in total. 140 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 2: We're back to about eighty seven percent of pre COVID. 141 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 2: The US is over one hundred and so it's happening. 142 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: I thought there was more energy at trends than I 143 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: have seen previously. I think there's a spring in everyone's step, 144 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: and I think by this time next year, with a 145 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: bit of luck, will be back over one hundred percent. 146 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: And about time too. 147 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. It's what is it, thirteen 148 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: forteen billion worth of income internationally. We need it, the 149 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: country needs it. I absolutely get that it needs to 150 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: be balanced. You know, Queenstown I think is running at 151 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 2: the moment about one hundred and fifteen percent of pre COVID. 152 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: So if you're talking to someone in Queenstown, they're probably 153 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: saying it's already too busy. I get it, so let's 154 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: be careful. Averages can be misleading, but in totality we 155 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 2: need tourism. 156 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: The market study that Nikola Willis talks of that just 157 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: the overarching in New Zealand or a bunch of bastards 158 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: and rip us off. 159 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: You say what I say. Fundamentally, what we've been saying 160 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: in the Commerce Commission have come out and said is 161 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 2: this is not a competition issue. It's structural. Now we've 162 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 2: had cost increases, just like everyone in New Zealand has 163 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: cost increases. And trust me, I have empathy for that. 164 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: My wife asked me to get some stuff from the 165 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 2: supermarket last Saturday afternoon when I was finishing work. I 166 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: remember prices from six years ago in Walmart. Boy, it's 167 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: ex offensive and I'm not having a shot at anyone. 168 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: It's just costs have gone up. Have for us to 169 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 2: what do we try and do with costs? We mitigate 170 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 2: them where we possibly can, and that's things like improving 171 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 2: productivity and coming up with new methods and systems. We 172 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 2: absorb some of them and you see that in our guidance, 173 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: which is actually has had to come down and where 174 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 2: we can't, we have to pass them on. What do 175 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: I mean by structural versus competition? You could put another 176 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 2: airline into New Zealand, and by the way, they could 177 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 2: come anytime they want. It's open skies. The prices will 178 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 2: come down, but no one will make any money, and 179 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: in one to two years an airline will leave. Probably 180 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 2: won't be in New Zealand because it's fifty one percent 181 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 2: owned by the government, but the new airline will probably leave. 182 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: If history tells us this, history tells us this, Why 183 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 2: is that the case? Because we're about one and a 184 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:57,439 Speaker 2: half times the size of Arkansas. We're small and it 185 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 2: is what it is. We get the benefit of living 186 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: in a country with not so many people, but that 187 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: means you don't get the benefit of scale. Australia, twenty 188 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 2: seven million people, has but two airlines. Every time they 189 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: try and open a third, the third one fails. New 190 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: Zealand probably can only exist with one. Our job is 191 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 2: to be fair, fair to customers, fair to our staff, 192 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: fair to communities and fair to the shareholders. And I 193 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: think generally we thread that needle reasonably well. We're not 194 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: boosting up shareholder returns here at the expense of charging 195 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: high prices. 196 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: Only got a minute left of all the stuff you've 197 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: done for interesting that you're not retiring, So there's something 198 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 1: to do, something to do. You don't know what that is. 199 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:50,079 Speaker 2: Don't know what that is, but open to all options 200 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,959 Speaker 2: and within reason location as well. 201 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: Do you want to leave your number here and someone 202 00:10:54,559 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: rings in the What have you learned how to be 203 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: in New Zealand that's good, bad, valuable or not compared 204 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: with all the other stuff you've done. 205 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 2: I would say to you the thing that has struck 206 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,359 Speaker 2: me the most, which I knew but has been enhanced, 207 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: is how important culture in businesses. And so I spend 208 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 2: a lot of time, and I will continue to spend time, 209 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: and I will do it in whatever I do next, 210 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 2: ensuring that the culture and the business is what you 211 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: want in order to achieve your plan and execute your results. 212 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: So I spend a lot of time with our people, 213 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: listening to them, listening to customers, ensuring that we represent 214 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 2: what we should do in terms of our purpose and 215 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: our values. 216 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 1: Is New Zealand a good place to do business? 217 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 2: It is? It can be difficult because of scale. We 218 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 2: like at times to try and do probably too many 219 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 2: things instead of saying here are the three or four 220 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: things that we're going to do incredibly well. But we 221 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: have the ability to move at speed, and size can 222 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 2: be an impediment and it can be an advantage. And 223 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: one of the things I try and do with their 224 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 2: New Zealand when I'm overseas and I'm meeting with the 225 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 2: big companies over there, and I'm not just talking Boeing 226 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 2: or air Bus, but you know, I was with open 227 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 2: Ai four weeks ago, Google Deep Mind. We're working on 228 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: things with them. Our cell position to them, Mike is 229 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 2: we're small, we can operate at speed. Give us an opportunity, 230 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 2: you can develop something with us, and then you can 231 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: go and sell it to the big guys and it works. 232 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: Good stuff. We'll get you before you finally, finally, little bit, 233 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 1: appreciate your time for Howls always, thank you. 234 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: Make good to see you. 235 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: Greg. 236 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 2: Forum For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live 237 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 2: to news talks that'd be from six am weekdays, or 238 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.