WEBVTT - On The Front Foot Episode 218: A tribute to Tristy 0:00:09.093 --> 0:00:11.973 You're listening to a podcast from News Talk sat B. 0:00:12.373 --> 0:00:15.173 Follow this and our wide range of podcasts now on 0:00:15.333 --> 0:00:19.533 iHeart Radio. 0:00:21.333 --> 0:00:25.213 Take another pair, Now get on It's trick. It is out, 0:00:25.533 --> 0:00:30.373 The test is over. The smooth Wow it was a 0:00:30.453 --> 0:00:32.893 beauty is out and here he goes. 0:00:33.013 --> 0:00:34.933 This delivery has any user to. 0:00:34.973 --> 0:00:41.093 Bowl on the front foot with Brian Waddell and Jeremy Cody, 0:00:41.413 --> 0:00:45.293 powered by News Talks dead B at iHeart Radio. 0:00:47.333 --> 0:00:49.613 Hi. There we're back on the front foot again the 0:00:49.653 --> 0:00:52.813 build up to the World Test Championship Final. I'm picking aussy, 0:00:53.133 --> 0:00:56.573 but South Africa has some exciting talent. They were hardly 0:00:56.693 --> 0:01:00.253 tested in the preliminary stage. Let's wait to see next week. 0:01:00.453 --> 0:01:03.813 Here's the final hest the cricket side against splitting the 0:01:03.813 --> 0:01:09.573 Black Beeps coaching roles, so very stead is on the butt. 0:01:09.573 --> 0:01:12.053 A sad reflection to start with. One of our good 0:01:12.093 --> 0:01:17.573 mates and commentary colleague passed away, probably more commonly remembered 0:01:17.733 --> 0:01:22.173 as Black Apps coach David trist spent some interesting hours 0:01:22.173 --> 0:01:24.373 with us in the commentary box. One of these joins 0:01:24.453 --> 0:01:27.213 us to remember him and his passionate whitment to Brigand 0:01:27.253 --> 0:01:30.293 and Jerry are acorner Man who loved talking about the 0:01:30.293 --> 0:01:34.213 game and enjoyed long periods of discourse. You did get 0:01:34.253 --> 0:01:36.333 down to some long discussion VOTs, wouldn't it? 0:01:36.693 --> 0:01:39.453 This could actually go through the whole podcast, wise, couldn't it. 0:01:40.053 --> 0:01:44.613 I didn't know Dave that well, while will know him 0:01:44.693 --> 0:01:51.733 probably better. But the very amicable person loved pondering things 0:01:51.813 --> 0:01:54.933 and teasing out situations, you know, like a piece of wool. 0:01:56.293 --> 0:02:00.373 His mustache used to twitch with possibilities, didn't it? Always 0:02:00.453 --> 0:02:04.453 another way that doing something a bit different. He used 0:02:04.453 --> 0:02:06.653 to see the world slightly different. He used to see 0:02:06.693 --> 0:02:08.933 the skytower and the beehive and the rest of us 0:02:08.933 --> 0:02:10.013 saw the main stand. 0:02:10.653 --> 0:02:10.813 You know. 0:02:11.773 --> 0:02:16.493 I do remember him at the Rothmans tournament I went 0:02:16.613 --> 0:02:18.253 to and under twenty three tournament. 0:02:18.293 --> 0:02:21.893 They're no longer going, are they. I was hell of Aroor. 0:02:21.973 --> 0:02:25.213 I must have been sixteen playing for Wellington. I remember 0:02:25.333 --> 0:02:27.933 Richard Collins was in the team. It was a tournament 0:02:28.013 --> 0:02:31.973 played in Canterbury and I don't know how it happened. 0:02:31.973 --> 0:02:33.733 It cost me a lot, but I scraped into the 0:02:33.773 --> 0:02:39.413 New Zealand side and alongside the Canterbury trio of Alan 0:02:39.533 --> 0:02:45.613 hauntsel Dale Hadley and David Tryst, and we played a 0:02:45.653 --> 0:02:49.253 couple of games, and then we met the winners of 0:02:49.293 --> 0:02:53.133 the Plunket Shield Auckland at Eden Park and the bowlers 0:02:53.173 --> 0:02:54.933 sat on the other side of the dressing room, so 0:02:55.013 --> 0:02:58.613 I wasn't drawn into their talks. And I was, of 0:02:58.693 --> 0:03:00.853 course twelfth man, so I knew the dressing room quite 0:03:00.893 --> 0:03:04.453 well by the end of the game. But Dave was 0:03:04.533 --> 0:03:07.853 a really pleasant man, wasn't he. I mean he just 0:03:08.093 --> 0:03:09.693 loved talking about the game. 0:03:10.093 --> 0:03:12.613 Oh yeah, he and he had a lot of perish 0:03:12.733 --> 0:03:15.093 and you probably would have played against him more often 0:03:15.173 --> 0:03:15.893 than with him Wally. 0:03:17.373 --> 0:03:19.733 I played a lot of the in the early days 0:03:20.093 --> 0:03:23.533 against Tristy. I was at the same tournament that Jeremy 0:03:23.653 --> 0:03:25.133 was at, and I think I was probably in the 0:03:25.213 --> 0:03:29.533 same game against Auckland, and I've got an idea. Jeremy 0:03:30.213 --> 0:03:33.213 my first first class game, I think, and I managed 0:03:33.213 --> 0:03:36.813 to get a pair and also managed to drop about 0:03:36.853 --> 0:03:39.213 four catches. So it was at the start of a 0:03:39.333 --> 0:03:43.253 very long and difficult career for me, really. But I 0:03:44.533 --> 0:03:47.653 did play a lot with Tristy, and you're right, and 0:03:47.733 --> 0:03:49.933 everything you say about him, I've got a few words here. 0:03:50.453 --> 0:03:53.813 I would have found him to be an extremely positive person, 0:03:54.573 --> 0:03:59.373 extremely thoughtful, loved the long talk about the game, and 0:03:59.813 --> 0:04:02.893 you're right when he wanted to theorize it was a 0:04:03.253 --> 0:04:08.613 It was a long and and and sometimes some times 0:04:08.653 --> 0:04:10.973 I win a wee bit too long because I forgot 0:04:11.053 --> 0:04:13.733 what he started with sometimes when he started talking about 0:04:13.733 --> 0:04:16.733 the theories of the game. But I just found in 0:04:16.773 --> 0:04:20.453 one of those really nice guys you always want to 0:04:20.533 --> 0:04:22.893 think about. When you meet people and you haven't seen 0:04:22.933 --> 0:04:25.373 them for a whole season or a summer, or you 0:04:25.453 --> 0:04:27.773 see them in the new year, and they come up 0:04:27.773 --> 0:04:29.933 and they shake their hand, they shake your hand and 0:04:30.293 --> 0:04:33.253 they say, really good to see you. Sometimes you wonder 0:04:33.293 --> 0:04:36.093 whether they mean it. Tristi's the sort of guy. He 0:04:36.293 --> 0:04:39.093 wanted to meet you, and he was honest. He wanted 0:04:39.093 --> 0:04:42.693 to ask about your family. He wanted to talk about 0:04:42.733 --> 0:04:44.293 the cricket that was going to be on in the 0:04:44.373 --> 0:04:48.013 next few days. He managed always to talk me into 0:04:48.813 --> 0:04:51.653 where the next race meeting was at. And was I 0:04:51.813 --> 0:04:55.293 still interested in being a part owner of a race horse? 0:04:55.333 --> 0:04:57.813 And I got right through a very long career with 0:04:57.933 --> 0:05:01.293 him without shit, without giving him any of my money 0:05:01.573 --> 0:05:03.853 for any of the horses that came fourth and fifth, 0:05:04.133 --> 0:05:08.333 which Tristie had. He was a guy who was well organized. 0:05:08.613 --> 0:05:11.973 Though he would not watch a lot of cricket, but 0:05:12.053 --> 0:05:14.053 he would read a lot of cricket. And when he 0:05:14.173 --> 0:05:16.613 came to Lancaster Park in those early days when I 0:05:16.933 --> 0:05:19.373 used to drive up from Dunedin to do some commentary, 0:05:19.733 --> 0:05:21.733 I really look forward to meeting up with him because 0:05:22.053 --> 0:05:24.173 he would have a theory on the way the game 0:05:24.293 --> 0:05:26.973 is going to go. He was just a nice guy 0:05:27.093 --> 0:05:30.493 to be with and I'm sure that a lot of 0:05:30.533 --> 0:05:33.813 people around New Zealand would realize it's a sad day 0:05:33.893 --> 0:05:36.413 for New Zealand when we lose someone from the New 0:05:36.493 --> 0:05:39.573 Zealand cricket family. And I think if Tristy as someone 0:05:39.613 --> 0:05:42.333 who was genuinely a big part of that, and he 0:05:42.493 --> 0:05:45.453 was proud to be part of the New Zealand cricket family. 0:05:45.653 --> 0:05:47.813 It's something he really took quite seriously. 0:05:48.333 --> 0:05:51.773 Yeah. Coached the Black Caps, he coached Hong Kong, he 0:05:51.853 --> 0:05:54.613 coached the Netherlands. He coached in South Africa against for 0:05:54.813 --> 0:05:58.053 the Eastern Province. They won a title there. He took 0:05:58.093 --> 0:06:00.213 over from Steve Rixon and did a couple of years 0:06:00.253 --> 0:06:04.093 and of course the ICC champions Trophy, our first international trophy, 0:06:04.933 --> 0:06:09.093 was one under his leadership as coach and you know, 0:06:09.253 --> 0:06:11.813 a fun guy. I must admit I did upset him once. 0:06:11.933 --> 0:06:14.613 I have to, I have to own up. I promised 0:06:14.653 --> 0:06:17.693 to ring him and I never got through to him. 0:06:17.693 --> 0:06:21.133 You know what you get when someone's there. You know 0:06:21.613 --> 0:06:23.773 you cannot be reached at the moment, Can you leave 0:06:23.813 --> 0:06:26.853 a message? And I did this for about four months 0:06:27.933 --> 0:06:30.373 until he rang me one day complaining about the fact 0:06:30.413 --> 0:06:32.413 that I hadn't rung him. I said, I have, I've 0:06:32.493 --> 0:06:35.613 rung you so many times. What's your number, Tristy? And 0:06:35.733 --> 0:06:38.053 he gave me the number, which was totally different to 0:06:38.133 --> 0:06:41.213 the number that I'd been ringing, and I said, I've 0:06:41.293 --> 0:06:43.613 rung this number. He said, oh no, He said, I 0:06:43.693 --> 0:06:45.973 lost that phone down in the yard or down in 0:06:46.013 --> 0:06:49.013 the farm or down in the paddock about five months ago. 0:06:49.453 --> 0:06:51.853 So I haven't been able to find it ever since. 0:06:53.133 --> 0:06:55.773 So we had a discussion about his last phone. But 0:06:56.173 --> 0:06:59.413 it was that was the funny side of Tristy because 0:06:59.453 --> 0:07:01.333 he could, you know, he could still make a joke 0:07:01.333 --> 0:07:05.933 about that. And we solved the problems that come between us. 0:07:05.973 --> 0:07:07.613 And it was about whether he was going to work 0:07:07.653 --> 0:07:10.893 doing commentary, and I was spoke to ring him tell 0:07:10.933 --> 0:07:13.813 him yes, he was, so that's one of my memories 0:07:13.853 --> 0:07:16.893 of Tristie. But touring with him too was also a 0:07:16.973 --> 0:07:19.693 lot of fun in terms of the discussions that you 0:07:19.733 --> 0:07:22.813 would have. And I guess you have an affinity Whiley 0:07:22.893 --> 0:07:25.333 because you've been a coach, You've been in exactly the 0:07:25.413 --> 0:07:28.933 same situation. You've shared the highs and lows of the team. 0:07:29.453 --> 0:07:33.373 You live the team fos. 0:07:33.133 --> 0:07:33.613 I suppose. 0:07:34.413 --> 0:07:36.333 But you can only do so much for them. It's 0:07:36.333 --> 0:07:38.013 when they go out in the park. You can't do anything, 0:07:38.053 --> 0:07:38.253 can you. 0:07:39.413 --> 0:07:41.893 No, And I do think that Tristy did have a 0:07:41.973 --> 0:07:43.213 style that was. 0:07:45.213 --> 0:07:45.973 In letter years. 0:07:46.053 --> 0:07:48.373 We've had different types of coaches and everyone is allowed 0:07:48.413 --> 0:07:51.133 to be themselves when they take over a role as 0:07:51.173 --> 0:07:54.373 serious as a coach of a national sporting team. But 0:07:55.013 --> 0:07:58.293 he's very unassuming. He was in the background. He was 0:07:58.333 --> 0:08:02.693 a supportive coach. He would quietly sit down with players 0:08:03.133 --> 0:08:07.893 and talk about their family, their job, their ambitions in 0:08:07.933 --> 0:08:10.773 the game, where they were at, what they would need 0:08:10.893 --> 0:08:15.093 help with. He wasn't seeking the media, he wasn't seeking 0:08:15.173 --> 0:08:18.573 the forefront. Quite often you'd see teams arrive back from 0:08:18.653 --> 0:08:21.573 overseas that Tristy had been in and they'd be at 0:08:21.573 --> 0:08:23.933 the airport, Tristie would just be one of the guys 0:08:24.013 --> 0:08:27.213 down the back, just pulling his bags through the airport, quietly, 0:08:27.533 --> 0:08:32.133 not waving and seeking out someone from the media. He 0:08:32.413 --> 0:08:36.013 liked to be the supportive type of coach and I 0:08:36.133 --> 0:08:38.733 think that was quite important in those days because in 0:08:39.093 --> 0:08:42.173 the time that he took over after Steve Rixon, they 0:08:42.213 --> 0:08:45.133 weren't easy days. And it certainly isn't easy for a 0:08:45.213 --> 0:08:48.053 coach to come in and to try and fit himself 0:08:48.093 --> 0:08:51.013 into the dressing room, to work out where he needs 0:08:51.133 --> 0:08:54.773 to sit when he needs to speak, how to make 0:08:54.853 --> 0:08:57.733 sure that everyone's involved in the team, And Tristy was 0:08:57.773 --> 0:09:02.053 one of those guys who thought about that, and if anything, 0:09:02.173 --> 0:09:07.013 he really had a sympathetic year for the new players, 0:09:07.093 --> 0:09:09.493 and I think he he helped bring a lot of 0:09:09.573 --> 0:09:13.133 new players into the team and slowly change the way 0:09:13.213 --> 0:09:16.173 the team was run. I think there was quite a strength. 0:09:17.173 --> 0:09:22.173 As I said before, he's pretty thoughtful, pretty organized, and 0:09:22.333 --> 0:09:24.733 he was pretty genuine about wanting the team to do well. 0:09:24.813 --> 0:09:27.693 Not David trist Well. He didn't want to. He didn't 0:09:27.693 --> 0:09:29.533 want to stamp his mark on the team as if 0:09:29.533 --> 0:09:32.413 it was his. He genuinely wanted the new Zealand team 0:09:32.453 --> 0:09:36.733 to perform. Well, yeah he did, Jerry. Only you remember 0:09:36.773 --> 0:09:39.093 when we were working in commentary set up. I mean 0:09:39.133 --> 0:09:43.413 a real talk fest was on, wasn't it. Wadle Coney, 0:09:44.253 --> 0:09:47.093 David trust and of course another man who could probably 0:09:47.093 --> 0:09:47.893 out talk a lot. 0:09:47.733 --> 0:09:51.893 Of us, Peter Sharp. There was a fairy words delivered 0:09:52.133 --> 0:09:52.933 in those occasions. 0:09:52.973 --> 0:09:56.413 Weren't they very hard to get on once? You didn't 0:09:56.453 --> 0:09:59.133 want to actually spores of a sentence at all? Did 0:09:59.253 --> 0:10:04.733 you somebody cut in immediately and take you down with 0:10:04.853 --> 0:10:05.693 another idea. 0:10:06.333 --> 0:10:08.173 Yeah, that was a busy time. 0:10:08.933 --> 0:10:12.293 Yeah, Chure was. And you know, Tristy left a lot 0:10:12.333 --> 0:10:16.413 of good memories and it's said to realize that he's 0:10:17.533 --> 0:10:20.133 now left us something. In the last couple of years. 0:10:20.133 --> 0:10:22.173 I don't think he was particularly well, was he. 0:10:23.093 --> 0:10:26.133 Yeah, Trusty in the last couple of years are really battled, 0:10:26.213 --> 0:10:29.253 I think, And I know it's only about six months 0:10:29.253 --> 0:10:31.813 ago that I tried to ring and see whether I 0:10:31.853 --> 0:10:34.933 could go to see him in his place at Little River, 0:10:35.013 --> 0:10:37.933 But of course he wasn't there, and therefore he was 0:10:37.933 --> 0:10:42.333 struggling in later life. I just think again about trust 0:10:42.413 --> 0:10:45.853 Even in his playing days for Canterbury, there were some 0:10:46.253 --> 0:10:49.973 very big names in the Canterbury teams, and very very 0:10:50.333 --> 0:10:53.053 successful they were. That were the Colemans and Barry Hadley 0:10:53.093 --> 0:10:54.853 at the top of the order, and there was Dale 0:10:54.933 --> 0:10:58.173 and Richard and Alan Hounseill. For a while, Tristy was 0:10:58.253 --> 0:11:01.933 never one who was getting the headlines. He never made 0:11:02.013 --> 0:11:07.373 the main newspapers or the main radio commentary. He was 0:11:07.413 --> 0:11:10.333 always someone who was supportive person even as a player, 0:11:10.893 --> 0:11:13.293 and I think he continued that in a lot of 0:11:13.373 --> 0:11:16.533 his life. He was just a very very thoughtful person 0:11:17.413 --> 0:11:20.893 and always, as I said before, was interested in what 0:11:21.573 --> 0:11:24.333 people around him were doing. I think that's the real 0:11:24.413 --> 0:11:27.653 strength that sometimes we don't all share with some of 0:11:27.693 --> 0:11:28.653 the coaches these days. 0:11:29.533 --> 0:11:33.933 Yeah, well it's said that Tristy has passed away a 0:11:34.013 --> 0:11:36.693 good friend Twyson. Of course, has probably been a sad 0:11:36.733 --> 0:11:38.653 week in terms of the New Zealand create family because 0:11:39.333 --> 0:11:44.253 Robert Jumbo Anderson passed away during the week as well. 0:11:44.853 --> 0:11:47.813 And funnily enough, he played in the same first eleven 0:11:47.893 --> 0:11:51.253 at christ Church Boys High School as David Tristan nineteen 0:11:51.333 --> 0:11:55.773 sixty four. I've seen a photo of that first eleven side. 0:11:55.933 --> 0:11:58.533 Alan hounsel I think was also in that side as well. 0:11:58.573 --> 0:12:01.413 I don't remember many of the other players, but a 0:12:01.613 --> 0:12:04.413 sad passing for Jumbo Anderson I think played in the 0:12:04.933 --> 0:12:07.293 Test match at the basin review of review Wally when 0:12:07.973 --> 0:12:08.933 Music beat England. 0:12:09.613 --> 0:12:13.733 Yeah, he was there. Jumbo was one of those larger 0:12:13.853 --> 0:12:18.253 than life characters that occasionally you see around the sporting fields, 0:12:18.293 --> 0:12:22.213 in particular in cricket. He absolutely loved the game of cricket. 0:12:22.333 --> 0:12:25.573 He loved people, He loved being around people who loved 0:12:25.613 --> 0:12:29.013 the dressing room. A couple of things about the way 0:12:29.053 --> 0:12:31.973 he played, and I don't mean this in any sort 0:12:31.973 --> 0:12:35.693 of derogatory manner at all, but a lot of players 0:12:35.733 --> 0:12:38.453 who played with and against Jumbo over the years could 0:12:38.493 --> 0:12:43.013 say he would absolutely murder a medium paced attack. He 0:12:43.133 --> 0:12:45.733 could absolutely go out there in Hawk Cup cricket and 0:12:45.893 --> 0:12:49.773 school record number of runs for Southam for so long 0:12:50.213 --> 0:12:53.773 and kept the Hawk Cup in that area along with 0:12:53.853 --> 0:12:56.493 the Alabasters of course. But Jumbo was one of those 0:12:56.573 --> 0:12:59.413 players in the dressing room if the team was down, 0:13:00.013 --> 0:13:02.573 someone would be able to turn around, and he had that. 0:13:02.813 --> 0:13:06.213 I mean, he was a big fellow. He was a big, 0:13:06.293 --> 0:13:09.133 big smile on his face. When he was batting and 0:13:09.213 --> 0:13:12.453 he'd hit the ball for four, he looked around and 0:13:12.573 --> 0:13:15.013 he was waiting for the next ball and he was 0:13:15.093 --> 0:13:19.813 excited about being there. I'm sure someone in the opposition 0:13:19.973 --> 0:13:22.413 teams would not see it quite the same way. But 0:13:23.373 --> 0:13:27.013 when things were going well, yeah, Jumbo kept the whole 0:13:27.053 --> 0:13:30.733 dressing room alive. And it is sad that, as I 0:13:30.813 --> 0:13:35.493 said before, New Zealand cricket family had lost another one 0:13:35.853 --> 0:13:38.293 of the real characters of the game. And a lot 0:13:38.333 --> 0:13:41.573 of people played a lot of fun games when Jumbo 0:13:41.653 --> 0:13:42.573 Anderson was around. 0:13:43.013 --> 0:13:46.173 Yeah, sad news that two of the family passed away 0:13:46.893 --> 0:13:52.613 this week and rest in peace, David Tristan and Robert Anderson. 0:13:52.373 --> 0:13:56.853 Brian Waddell, Jeremy Cooney. On the front foot, we. 0:13:56.973 --> 0:14:02.253 Had some news of well senior players getting awards in 0:14:02.333 --> 0:14:09.013 the Queen's Birthday Honors. Deserved awards joined yours and Jerry's club. Actually, Wally, 0:14:09.093 --> 0:14:11.573 you've both got the same gongs, haven't you. It's got 0:14:11.573 --> 0:14:15.093 a different title now in MBE or Member of the 0:14:16.093 --> 0:14:18.733 New Zealand Order of Merital whatever they call them now, 0:14:19.053 --> 0:14:24.733 Tim Soudy and Sophie Devine, and we wish them all 0:14:24.773 --> 0:14:27.293 the best. Congratulations to them and another person who we 0:14:27.373 --> 0:14:29.573 congratulate nothing to do with the cricket World. Jerry is 0:14:29.933 --> 0:14:32.653 a friend of ours because he hosted us so many 0:14:32.773 --> 0:14:36.013 times in Towering and Mount Bong and Ui when we 0:14:36.093 --> 0:14:39.413 were up there for games. Brian Kelly, the fifty five 0:14:39.573 --> 0:14:43.413 years he's given to radio got himself an award as well, 0:14:43.493 --> 0:14:47.373 so that's great news that we can also celebrate. 0:14:48.133 --> 0:14:52.053 Yea, he loves his cars too, doesn't he. 0:14:52.933 --> 0:14:55.653 He'll be hard to get him off that subject when 0:14:55.653 --> 0:14:56.733 he's having a barbecue. 0:14:57.813 --> 0:15:01.653 Certainly not on the front foot with Waddle and Cody. 0:15:02.533 --> 0:15:04.853 He probably realized it was coming. It had taken so 0:15:04.973 --> 0:15:07.173 long to fill the coach's role, but Black Caps coach 0:15:07.253 --> 0:15:11.013 Gary stead'shighly successful seven years in charge of the national 0:15:11.093 --> 0:15:15.013 side officially comes to an end when his contract finishes. Stead, 0:15:15.013 --> 0:15:17.813 who last month confirmed each step away as coach of 0:15:17.853 --> 0:15:21.093 the White Wall formats, was effectively ruled out of contentions 0:15:21.133 --> 0:15:24.213 for the head coach role after New Zealand Cricket opted 0:15:24.293 --> 0:15:28.693 for one head coach across all three formats. Seven years 0:15:28.813 --> 0:15:30.373 with some undoubted highlights. 0:15:30.973 --> 0:15:34.693 I think the clean sweep of India last year three 0:15:34.773 --> 0:15:38.493 mila in India, considering it'd never been done before, is 0:15:38.813 --> 0:15:42.173 probably the biggest highlight of the moment. We won the 0:15:42.213 --> 0:15:47.213 World Test Championship obviously that's another one. I think making 0:15:47.933 --> 0:15:51.053 what three finals and ICC events in that time as 0:15:51.133 --> 0:15:54.613 well shows the consistency that the team has played with, 0:15:54.813 --> 0:15:57.893 and that's been one of the things I have always 0:15:57.973 --> 0:16:01.253 said that I think Mike Essen and Brenda McCullum had 0:16:01.333 --> 0:16:04.293 left the team in a really good spot and what 0:16:04.413 --> 0:16:07.093 we needed to do was keep finding ways to be 0:16:07.293 --> 0:16:10.173 consistent more often. And I think on the whole that's 0:16:10.213 --> 0:16:12.733 been that's been done recently, well. 0:16:12.773 --> 0:16:15.693 He probably expected they might not split the roles, but 0:16:15.773 --> 0:16:18.293 he doesn't feel let down by New Zealand Cricket. 0:16:18.773 --> 0:16:22.173 Look, I understood that that was there was a fair 0:16:22.293 --> 0:16:27.293 chance that that could happen, and that that that that 0:16:27.493 --> 0:16:30.533 going down the route of one coach was a model 0:16:30.573 --> 0:16:32.973 that they might still still look to take. And look, 0:16:33.013 --> 0:16:35.653 I accept that there's there's no sort of Harbor's grudge 0:16:35.653 --> 0:16:38.973 from me on on that side at all. That's the 0:16:39.213 --> 0:16:41.253 direction they think is best for the team. So and 0:16:41.373 --> 0:16:43.173 that's ultimately all I want as well. 0:16:43.373 --> 0:16:46.533 And as of now, nothing new on the horizon. 0:16:47.613 --> 0:16:49.693 Look, I mean I want to stay involved in coaching. 0:16:49.773 --> 0:16:54.013 It's it's something I'm passionate about. I enjoy seeing individuals. 0:16:54.053 --> 0:16:57.893 I enjoy seeing teams try and maximize their performance. So 0:16:58.853 --> 0:17:01.373 I'll try and take some of the learnings that I've 0:17:01.453 --> 0:17:04.813 had in the in the last well thirty years really 0:17:04.893 --> 0:17:09.293 of of domestic and international sport and see what I 0:17:09.333 --> 0:17:11.693 can apply and maybe you've used to other people in 0:17:11.733 --> 0:17:15.893 the future. But look, I still want to have an 0:17:15.973 --> 0:17:17.853 involvement in cricket as well because I think it's a 0:17:17.893 --> 0:17:19.933 game that's given so much to me as well, and. 0:17:19.973 --> 0:17:22.013 The game has changed a lot even in that seven years. 0:17:22.013 --> 0:17:23.213 When you think about it, you don't have to look 0:17:23.253 --> 0:17:24.693 at the IPL for a start off, don't you. 0:17:25.013 --> 0:17:28.373 Yeah, Look, I mean the franchises I think has made 0:17:28.893 --> 0:17:30.933 the role of head coach a little bit more challenging 0:17:31.053 --> 0:17:32.813 than what it was. And there's certainly a lot more 0:17:32.853 --> 0:17:37.573 pressure on players now to look well, there's more pressure 0:17:37.573 --> 0:17:40.533 coming from the outside for them to look elsewhere with opportunities. 0:17:40.573 --> 0:17:42.693 And I still think that's a good thing though, that 0:17:43.013 --> 0:17:46.133 players can maximize their earnings. But I think it is 0:17:46.213 --> 0:17:48.453 important from a New Zealand cricket point of view that 0:17:48.533 --> 0:17:53.573 we do preserve the specialness and importantness I guess importance 0:17:53.733 --> 0:17:56.453 of what that silver means on the chest. 0:17:57.213 --> 0:17:58.973 So there's going to be only just the one coach 0:17:59.253 --> 0:18:01.893 Warren Le's that was what you did as coach of 0:18:01.933 --> 0:18:05.493 the New Zealand side. I sense the game has changed 0:18:05.573 --> 0:18:09.053 dramatically since you were coaching. Hasn't any and the thanes 0:18:09.133 --> 0:18:10.453 since you were in charge? 0:18:10.893 --> 0:18:14.253 I should imagine it really has. And there are times 0:18:14.293 --> 0:18:16.213 when I think back on those days and think, how 0:18:16.253 --> 0:18:18.413 do we ever get on going to Pakistan with that 0:18:19.013 --> 0:18:21.493 first team where all we didn't have We had a 0:18:21.533 --> 0:18:23.613 physio and we had a manager and we had a 0:18:23.733 --> 0:18:27.493 radio commentator and that was a lot. These days, you know, 0:18:27.773 --> 0:18:31.373 there's a big support staff. I think in Gary Steed's case, 0:18:31.853 --> 0:18:35.973 he's carried a big, big burden over the last few years. 0:18:35.973 --> 0:18:36.973 He's done it so well. 0:18:37.413 --> 0:18:40.533 He's done it so much in the style of the 0:18:40.613 --> 0:18:43.213 old fashioned coaches. He's been in the background. He's been 0:18:43.213 --> 0:18:47.973 an organizer. I think he's been the chairman of the 0:18:48.013 --> 0:18:50.413 board in a way as far as the black Caps 0:18:50.453 --> 0:18:53.853 are concerned. He's had four or five or even more 0:18:54.053 --> 0:18:57.493 that he's probably had six or seven other coaches, bolloling coaches, 0:18:57.533 --> 0:19:01.333 fielding coaches, batting coaches, people coming in with psych service 0:19:01.413 --> 0:19:03.693 and different things. So he's had a lot of people 0:19:03.733 --> 0:19:06.893 to organize, but he's done it well. And he's also 0:19:07.733 --> 0:19:11.333 taken over a team that Mike Hessen in a way 0:19:12.133 --> 0:19:16.693 had developed along with obviously Brendan McCollum, and he's had 0:19:16.733 --> 0:19:21.093 the same style or a wee bit as his more 0:19:21.133 --> 0:19:25.053 in the background, but obviously paddling very much under the 0:19:25.093 --> 0:19:28.253 water and knowing exactly what's going on. I think he's 0:19:28.293 --> 0:19:31.453 done a remarkable job. And while we can say it's 0:19:31.493 --> 0:19:34.133 sad to go, I like his comments about well, there 0:19:34.213 --> 0:19:36.493 is a time, there is a time to move on, 0:19:36.693 --> 0:19:38.413 that it's not the end of the world, and there 0:19:38.413 --> 0:19:40.213 are other things he could he may be looking at, 0:19:40.533 --> 0:19:43.213 and I certainly hope he is, but there's also a 0:19:43.333 --> 0:19:46.293 time for family, and he's mentioned that so he knows 0:19:46.333 --> 0:19:50.493 there are other responsibilities. I think congratulations to Gary Stead 0:19:51.493 --> 0:19:53.693 for the way he's worked so hard at his game 0:19:53.813 --> 0:19:56.333 from way back in the day when he when he 0:19:56.373 --> 0:19:59.413 played for New Zealand and it wasn't a long career 0:19:59.493 --> 0:20:02.773 as a player, but he knew that cricket was in 0:20:02.893 --> 0:20:05.773 his blood and cricket was something he really wanted to 0:20:05.853 --> 0:20:08.813 be involved in, and he worked his way up from 0:20:08.853 --> 0:20:11.893 the bottom of the ladder to taking the top team. 0:20:12.573 --> 0:20:15.253 I think he's done a remarkable job and I just 0:20:15.373 --> 0:20:19.293 hope that New Zealand Cricket in some way can reward 0:20:19.413 --> 0:20:23.213 him in the future and not just forget him. And 0:20:23.253 --> 0:20:26.533 I also hope they're organized with the replacement and the 0:20:26.653 --> 0:20:30.013 style of the replacement that they bring in to take 0:20:30.093 --> 0:20:31.093 over from Garystead. 0:20:31.493 --> 0:20:35.013 I mean from a personal reaction from my distance that 0:20:35.853 --> 0:20:41.013 I observed Stead, he always was diligent and hard working, 0:20:41.813 --> 0:20:47.373 a very organized guy. Seemed very well planned. The New 0:20:47.493 --> 0:20:51.853 Zealand side clearly meant a lot to him, and he 0:20:52.053 --> 0:20:57.933 was passionate about, you know, developing his charges and trying 0:20:58.013 --> 0:21:03.213 to get consistency of performance from them. He tended to 0:21:03.333 --> 0:21:07.093 retain players and be loyal to them, and I think 0:21:07.173 --> 0:21:10.853 in New Zealand, with not many in the community there 0:21:11.013 --> 0:21:14.373 her play cricket, that that's not a bad idea at all. 0:21:15.933 --> 0:21:18.253 He was loyal to them and they were loyal to him, 0:21:18.973 --> 0:21:20.493 perhaps because he selected them. 0:21:20.373 --> 0:21:21.453 And kept on doing so. 0:21:22.133 --> 0:21:25.213 But I mean some thought at times he held on 0:21:25.333 --> 0:21:29.173 to some players just a little bit long, and there 0:21:29.173 --> 0:21:32.693 would be some also thought that the Wagner and Sow 0:21:32.813 --> 0:21:37.893 the episodes towards the end was a little bit uneven treatment. 0:21:38.573 --> 0:21:40.293 But overall, you. 0:21:40.373 --> 0:21:44.493 Know, you cast your eye down the list of achievements 0:21:45.093 --> 0:21:47.613 and he was right at the top of that. It's 0:21:47.653 --> 0:21:52.773 an extraordinary list, isn't it really, guys? You know, from 0:21:53.453 --> 0:21:56.693 runner up in that ODII in twenty nineteen to the 0:21:57.093 --> 0:22:01.293 winning the World Test Championship and all the semi finals 0:22:01.333 --> 0:22:05.293 that he made in t twenties and ODI's the clean 0:22:05.493 --> 0:22:09.293 sweep of India just last year surely highlight for him, 0:22:09.933 --> 0:22:12.373 and then just recently the runner up and the champions truck. 0:22:12.453 --> 0:22:15.053 I mean, it's a very impressive list for such a 0:22:15.133 --> 0:22:19.053 small nation and he, as I say, oversaw all that 0:22:20.933 --> 0:22:22.933 and we only get about what is at six to 0:22:23.093 --> 0:22:25.973