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Speaker 1: Businesses across the country welcoming the end of the Holidays Act.

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Speaker 1: It's going in the bin government unveiling what they call

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Speaker 1: a far simpler streamline replacement. Employers say the current system

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Speaker 1: lead to costly payroll erarors millions in payback in some cases.

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Speaker 1: Paul McKay is a business New Zealand and employment specialist

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Speaker 1: with me on the line, Paul, good evening, good evening,

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Speaker 1: Hell you good, thank you. Can we just clear something

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Speaker 1: up first of all about part time workers because we've

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Speaker 1: had two points of view on this this evening, part

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Speaker 1: time workers and sick leave before and after this change

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Speaker 1: as as it's proposed. Are they better or worse off?

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Speaker 2: Well, they're proportionately the same because out of the old

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Speaker 2: system they were advantaged by the fact that they've got

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Speaker 2: ten days leave entitlement. If they were only a one

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Speaker 2: day week a worker, then they would actually have the

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Speaker 2: ability to take ten weeks of leave off as opposed

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Speaker 2: to the LUs of you and I who would probably

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Speaker 2: get ten days which was probably about two weeks worth.

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Speaker 2: But proatering it the way it's going to be happening

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Speaker 2: will mean that it will be proportionately the same for

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Speaker 2: absolutely everybody.

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Speaker 1: So you get off, you basically get out what you

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Speaker 1: put in kind of thing that's that's there.

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Speaker 2: And what about learn you leave based on ours and

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Speaker 2: depending on the number of hours you work, there's a

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Speaker 2: the leader get.

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Speaker 1: And it will start accruing. This is the sick leave

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Speaker 1: and for annually a whole bunch of other stuff we'll

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Speaker 1: start occurring earlier from the day that you actually start working,

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Speaker 1: rather than having career six months or twelve months. Will

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Speaker 1: there cost business and do you know how much, Well.

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Speaker 2: It won't cost in the sense that it's it's accruing.

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Speaker 2: It has always been the case, except that the way

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Speaker 2: it was taken in terms of entitlements meant there was

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Speaker 2: a lot of other rules. We're simplifying. We the government

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Speaker 2: are simplified by saying your crew leave or you earn

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Speaker 2: leave as you go, and it's just simply effectively money

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Speaker 2: in your bank and you will take out from that

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Speaker 2: bank of leave when you want it, and that's the balance.

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Speaker 2: That's what's left. So there's no there's no kind of

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Speaker 2: a a lot more simplicity attached to this.

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Speaker 1: Why did it get so complicated.

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Speaker 2: Well, let's go back to nineteen forty four when the

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Speaker 2: Holidays ACTO was first started, we had a very different

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Speaker 2: working environment and basically it was Monday to Friday. If that.

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Speaker 2: Now we have a vast array of very complex working

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Speaker 2: arrangements and the act based on the week's approach just

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Speaker 2: simply doesn't cope.

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Speaker 1: So from here we've got the legislation has to go

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Speaker 1: through the House. That's going to take a couple of years,

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Speaker 1: and then it'll be well a couple of years after

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Speaker 1: that before we actually see change.

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Speaker 2: We've being a bit plastimistic and when it gets into

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Speaker 2: the house, we're hoping that we'll be in the house

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Speaker 2: by the end of the year, or at least by

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Speaker 2: the end of the term. But yes, two years after

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Speaker 2: that before it's finally effective, because there's still it's not

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Speaker 2: just the rules, it's about putting the rules in place

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Speaker 2: inside the computers that do the calculations, and the payroll

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Speaker 2: people that need to be trained. All of that needs

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Speaker 2: to be done well as well.

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Speaker 1: Is there anything changing to public to holiday public holiday pay?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: I mean, will it make it more expense or would

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Speaker 1: it make it more expensive to stay open on public holidays? Potentially?

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily because basically it's going to be the same

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Speaker 2: calculation for every form of leave, that reducing the current

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Speaker 2: crop of calculations for all different sorts of leave down.

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Speaker 2: There may be the occasional time when, especially when people

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Speaker 2: have uncertain hours or variable hours or casual where there

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Speaker 2: has to be some extra calculation done in terms of

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Speaker 2: what hours have been done with what people have earned.

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Speaker 2: But in general and overall, we see this as being

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Speaker 2: far simpler and more cost effective.

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Speaker 1: Weall appreciate your time serving. Paul McKay, whose business is

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