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Speaker 6: Well, a very very good morning and welcome a lot
Speaker 6: to the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with me, Pete
Speaker 6: wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity
Speaker 6: to talk about all things building and construction, whether it's
Speaker 6: the rules, the regulations, the actual getting down amongst it
Speaker 6: and doing the work. Anything that you have any concerns
Speaker 6: about or any questions about building and construction, we can
Speaker 6: talk about it. Feels like it's been a bit of
Speaker 6: a week anyway for me of talking about it. I
Speaker 6: was at the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys training
Speaker 6: day yesterday, so kind of as part of their continued
Speaker 6: professional development. Members are invited to come along to a
Speaker 6: day's workshop with a number of different speakers, and actually
Speaker 6: it was my job to sort of mce the event
Speaker 6: and host a couple of discussions. In fact, a discussion
Speaker 6: with someone who's been a fairly regular contributor over the
Speaker 6: ten years of the show, Matthew Cutler Welsh and the
Speaker 6: Green Building Council, Joe lythe head of the Passive House
Speaker 6: Board chair for the Passive House Institute. And a guy
Speaker 6: that I've seen around but haven't had a chance to
Speaker 6: talk to before, Tommy Honey, who's actually the Chief executive
Speaker 6: of the New Zealand Construction Industry Council. And that was
Speaker 6: just the morning. I've been talking about building all day
Speaker 6: yesterday as well, but looking forward to talking with you
Speaker 6: about building and construction and about your projects whether it's well.
Speaker 6: Sometimes it goes well and other times it doesn't. So
Speaker 6: if it's going well, that's great, we can talk about that,
Speaker 6: we can talk about improving and refining your project, and
Speaker 6: if it's not going particularly well or we can certainly
Speaker 6: talk about that Today on the show as well, We're
Speaker 6: going to have a bit of a catch up with
Speaker 6: Mike Colts later on the show, and then of course
Speaker 6: at eight thirty, as always we're into the garden with
Speaker 6: red Kline pass So if there's any gardening and antipological questions,
Speaker 6: Rudd will be joining us from eight thirty. But apart
Speaker 6: from that, the floor is yours. Basically, this is your
Speaker 6: opportunity to talk about I mean, look, the platform is
Speaker 6: pretty wide, right, we're talking building and housing and construction,
Speaker 6: so it's everything from foundations, through structures, through to roofs,
Speaker 6: through to exteriors, through the boundaries, through to regulations, requirements,
Speaker 6: the restraints that are there. In fact, it was kind
Speaker 6: of well, it was out. There was a bit of
Speaker 6: a question yesterday around what the government is going to
Speaker 6: do when they decide on what types of buildings might
Speaker 6: be able to be built without necessarily requiring a building consent.
Speaker 6: So for a long long time, under Schedule one of
Speaker 6: the Act, you could build ten square meters with certain
Speaker 6: other requirements without necessarily needing a building consent. That got
Speaker 6: pushed out thirty square meters. Now there is talk about
Speaker 6: doing granny flats, and that's it's pretty that it feels
Speaker 6: like that's a it's not a pejorative term, but it's
Speaker 6: kind of seen as a bit old fashion. But anyway,
Speaker 6: the terminology is granny flats. My understanding for the reason
Speaker 6: for that name is that the intention was that if
Speaker 6: you owned a piece of land, you had your family
Speaker 6: home on it, and you wanted to provide some accommodation,
Speaker 6: some housing for an extended family, maybe granny then that's
Speaker 6: why you could build a granny flat at the back
Speaker 6: of the property. It was always sort of related to
Speaker 6: the people that occupied the main house, hence the term
Speaker 6: granny flat. So then I don't know, they're not going
Speaker 6: to come up with a new name for it, but
Speaker 6: granni flats. And then the proposal that's out there at
Speaker 6: the moment is maybe the granny flat could be sixty
Speaker 6: square meters. Sixty square meter is not an insignificant building
Speaker 6: to build, possibly without having to get the building consent.
Speaker 6: And then in the discussion yesterday, actually Jeff Barrenson, who
Speaker 6: is head of Building Inspections for UXSN Council, which must
Speaker 6: be one hell of a job to be fair, Jeff
Speaker 6: was addressing the group as well at the Building Surveys
Speaker 6: conference and talking about the possibility that maybe those granny
Speaker 6: flats will extend to ninety one hundred maybe even one
Speaker 6: hundred and twenty square meters without necessarily requiring a consent.
Speaker 6: That changes the landscape quite considerably. So it's an interesting space.
Speaker 6: There's a lot of discussion around. We talked about remote
Speaker 6: building inspections. I think the Minister Chris Penk who has
Speaker 6: also been on the show before, came out quite a
Speaker 6: while ago, now, not long after they took office, to go, hey, look,
Speaker 6: we want this to be the default position. There's a
Speaker 6: significant amount of pushback in the industry to the idea
Speaker 6: of remote inspections. And again, one of the speakers yesterday
Speaker 6: the conference is involved with apartments in Australia. They beamed
Speaker 6: into the conference saying, hey, look, you know, the sperience
Speaker 6: hasn't been great here with the certifiers for some of
Speaker 6: the apartment complexes. The quality that work's not great, and
Speaker 6: you know, be cautious about what you wish for. It's
Speaker 6: been It was a good conference actually, And then I
Speaker 6: was in christ Julier in the week. I'll talk about
Speaker 6: that a little bit later on. And I've got a
Speaker 6: bit of news about some project that I did a
Speaker 6: little while ago that you can watch. I know Pete's
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Speaker 6: to talk about this morning. Get on the line, get
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Speaker 6: number nine two ninety two for the texts and Pete
Speaker 6: at newstalksb dot co dot nz is the email. A
Speaker 6: very good morning, lovely to have you with us this morning,
Speaker 6: and just quietly a little bit excited about being able
Speaker 6: to watch some Formula one this afternoon as well. Right, Albert,
Speaker 6: good morning to you.
Speaker 5: Yes, good morning sir. I was just starting to listen
Speaker 5: to your show and I just came over this in
Speaker 5: very general question. Sure, there was an article in a
Speaker 5: newspaper not so long about engineer Timber. Yes, and it
Speaker 5: was quite recommended as these shooture for New Zealand to go.
Speaker 5: And yeah, I was vuldering about this.
Speaker 6: Well perfect timing actually, Albert, because I mentioned I was
Speaker 6: in christ Church on Wednesday evening. I was a speaker
Speaker 6: at the Site Safe graduation. So for people who have qualified,
Speaker 6: they have gone through their site safe course in christ
Speaker 6: Church and one of the things that I wanted to
Speaker 6: do while I was in christ Church is go to
Speaker 6: I think it's two to two to one High Street,
Speaker 6: which is I think Lee's Construction are building a building there,
Speaker 6: a commercial building maybe to four stories high, and they
Speaker 6: are using engineered timber. Now, engineered timber is kind of
Speaker 6: a broad phrase for you know, I think in our head,
Speaker 6: if we talk about a timber building, we imagine four
Speaker 6: or two studs framed up mid floor, et cetera. This
Speaker 6: is engineered timber where the components, the columns, the beams,
Speaker 6: and the floor plates are coming to site. They've been
Speaker 6: fabricated in a factory, the ones that I saw sitting
Speaker 6: on the back of the truck. And actually good of
Speaker 6: you to call, because I'll put up some photographs later
Speaker 6: on this morning on my Facebook page. So you know,
Speaker 6: the columns would be shivers three hundred and fifty by
Speaker 6: three hundred and fifty milimeters square, right. Then the beams
Speaker 6: would be maybe four hundred by three hundred and then
Speaker 6: the floor, the actual complete floor, so spanning maybe a
Speaker 6: distance of four or five or six meters, would be
Speaker 6: two hundred and fifty milimeters thick. Now, they are all
Speaker 6: individual components, they've got all you know, they're bolted together
Speaker 6: with specifically designed brackets. It's pine, it's good old fashioned
Speaker 6: pinus radiator. It's it's obviously been processed and engineered to
Speaker 6: a very very high level. It's very high spec. But
Speaker 6: obviously in christ Church, where they've still got concerns around
Speaker 6: seismic activity, timber is great there. It's really fast. And
Speaker 6: in fact, there was a couple of guys from Hawkins
Speaker 6: and from Fletcher Living who were at the sight Safe
Speaker 6: conference and they were talking about they were struck by
Speaker 6: how quickly that building was going up.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I have a little bit of a forestry background,
Speaker 5: and I was thinking the trees could be grown with
Speaker 5: a shorter rotation maybe.
Speaker 6: I mean, I think already one of New Zealand's great
Speaker 6: advantages when it comes to forestry is that we can
Speaker 6: go typically twenty years from planting to harvesting for Pinus radiata,
Speaker 6: which is about eight to ten years quicker than almost
Speaker 6: anyone else in the world.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, absolutely, yeah, Oh well, yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 6: Yeah. It In fact, there was an article about it
Speaker 6: in the paper. So if you just search for, you know,
Speaker 6: engineer building christ Church or something like that. I went
Speaker 6: to another way about two years ago that Naylor Love,
Speaker 6: another large construction firm, we're doing for the Auckland University
Speaker 6: of Technology, so aut at the Akaranga campus. And again
Speaker 6: I think that's five stories. It's all colt. So it's
Speaker 6: all laminated timber, glass, laminated timber. Look, it's great, it's
Speaker 6: it's really really good. And the fact that it's using
Speaker 6: a natural resource, the fact that it does in a
Speaker 6: fantastic job in terms of carbon and sequestering carbon and
Speaker 6: all of those sorts of things. Yeah, and we grow
Speaker 6: lots of it. Why aren't we using it?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 5: No, thanks very much. Pleasure for nice of you to call.
Speaker 6: All the best. Take care. One hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call, exactly. So I knew
Speaker 6: that I was going down for the site Safe GRADU,
Speaker 6: which was actually a really nice event to be part of,
Speaker 6: and I appreciated that the opportunity to talk to people
Speaker 6: a little bit about safety and my own experiences of
Speaker 6: what I did. To be absolutely honest, I did say
Speaker 6: at the beginning of the oh, to the person who says,
Speaker 6: is this an ad No, it's not.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 6: This is you know, this type of building construction methodology
Speaker 6: that's sort of in development at the moment is genuinely exciting, right,
Speaker 6: This is really really good for the country. I think
Speaker 6: it's a fantastic use of a resource that is readily
Speaker 6: available here in terms of its environmental impact and its sustainability.
Speaker 6: I think it's a massive leap forward in terms of
Speaker 6: speed of construction. It's fantastic by all accounts. Working in
Speaker 6: those buildings in the future is actually quite pleasant as well,
Speaker 6: which is really interesting. So no, it's not mad, it's
Speaker 6: just this is innovation, right, This is what a a
Speaker 6: decent sustainable future looks like when you see these timber
Speaker 6: buildings going up. So yeah, Because I was heading to
Speaker 6: christ Church anyway, and i'd seen the article, I decided
Speaker 6: I wanted to go and have a look through. And
Speaker 6: it's gosh, it would be within sixty or seventy meters
Speaker 6: maybe one hundred meters of the Takaha Stadium, which i'd
Speaker 6: only ever seen sort of in its ground stages. That's
Speaker 6: really starting to take form. And then I had a
Speaker 6: little bit of time on Wednesday morning and wandered along
Speaker 6: to the Cardboard Cathedral, the Anglican Transitional Cathedral, which again
Speaker 6: i'd seen and read a little bit about, but never
Speaker 6: had the opportunity to go and have a look at.
Speaker 6: It and the guys from Metro Glass did the digital
Speaker 6: print on the effectively stained glass. It's not stained glass,
Speaker 6: it's digital print on the front facade of it. So actually,
Speaker 6: christ Church, I'll make a couple of other comments about
Speaker 6: christ Church a little bit later on. I know you've
Speaker 6: had to put up with a hell of a lot
Speaker 6: in terms of the rebuild and the infrastructure, and there
Speaker 6: still seems to be you know, lots to do and
Speaker 6: lots of work going on, and lots of road cones
Speaker 6: and lots of people ripping up the roads in that.
Speaker 6: But my sense was it's going to be a great
Speaker 6: Oh it's a great city now. But you know, as
Speaker 6: the rebuild part comes to a close and some of
Speaker 6: those really big projects get wrapped up and some of
Speaker 6: the redevelopment of the residential inside the city wraps up,
Speaker 6: it's it's going to be a great city. Oh eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty. The number to call might take
Speaker 6: a short break. We'll talk to Jim in just a moment.
Speaker 6: If you've got a comment, call us now, oh eight
Speaker 6: hundred eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 1: Squeaky door or squeaky floor, Get the right advice from
Speaker 1: Peter Wolfcare the resident builder on News talksb.
Speaker 6: You and News talksp will come to a couple of
Speaker 6: texts in a moment, but right now, let's have a
Speaker 6: bit of a chat with Jim good A.
Speaker 8: Jim get oo, Peter, thank you for answering my call.
Speaker 6: Leisure.
Speaker 8: Look, my query is our house is eight years old
Speaker 8: and it's got a double garage built onto it, and
Speaker 8: there's no bats in the garage roof. Life they don't
Speaker 8: seem to do yep. Now what I want to know
Speaker 8: is the worth my while putting bats in the roof
Speaker 8: this garage? Is it's quite cold the big door. The
Speaker 8: big door faces east and the small door you can
Speaker 8: drive through, faces west, and of course the lights in
Speaker 8: there too, and in the morning it's bloom and cold
Speaker 8: in there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm just.
Speaker 8: Wondering what I could do. Was it worthwhile putting bats
Speaker 8: in the roof or not?
Speaker 9: Oh?
Speaker 6: Look, you know, insulated spaces are always better than uninsulated spaces.
Speaker 6: And just for clarity, we'll go back a step so
Speaker 6: because people will be listening, going, well, hang on, if
Speaker 6: it's an eight year old house and it's got an
Speaker 6: attached garage, how come the garage isn' related, and the
Speaker 6: builder developer would have looked at that and gone, well, actually,
Speaker 6: I don't need to in terms of the building code
Speaker 6: because it's not a habitable space. So what should happen
Speaker 6: is that the petition between the habitable space, may be
Speaker 6: a bedroom or whatever that's on the adjoining wall, that
Speaker 6: wall should be insulated, and then that insulation should go
Speaker 6: up that wall and across the ceiling of your habitable space.
Speaker 6: And so you end up with this uninsulated area immediately
Speaker 6: adjacent your insulated habitable space, and it saves the builder,
Speaker 6: the developer, you know, whatever it's going to cost to
Speaker 6: insulate that space. I've always thought that that's really short sighted, right,
Speaker 6: particularly for an attached garage. So you know, essentially, every
Speaker 6: time you open the door between the garage and the house,
Speaker 6: you've got that temperature differential. Often you'll tend to leave
Speaker 6: that door open more because you're moving in and out
Speaker 6: of the laundry, those sorts of things, So it just
Speaker 6: cools down the whole house. You lose the benefit. I
Speaker 6: think you lose the benefit of insulation in the house,
Speaker 6: which is a long winded way of me saying yes,
Speaker 6: if it's an accessible roof space, which it probably is.
Speaker 6: Throwing some insulation in their properly, neatly will make a
Speaker 6: big difference, and I wouldn't hesitate to say that you
Speaker 6: should do it. And in fact, I'm always a little
Speaker 6: bit disappointed when builders or developers don't insulate all of
Speaker 6: the exterior walls. And I think ideally we should be
Speaker 6: moving towards insulated garage doors, which are available, to reduce
Speaker 6: drafts and to make those spaces more like a habitable space.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that was my next question.
Speaker 10: Betty.
Speaker 8: Hit the nail on the head what you've said so far.
Speaker 8: But if the stone's not getting into the gearage much,
Speaker 8: only about two hours in the morning or in the
Speaker 8: middle of the winter, there's no heat in the garage anyway.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you'll still Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 6: I just you know, the other thing that maybe with
Speaker 6: an exterior wall we've got thicker you know, so essentially
Speaker 6: that that petition between your habitable space and the garage
Speaker 6: timber framing, ten mil plaster board on both sides and
Speaker 6: some insulation in there, whereas maybe with an exterior wall
Speaker 6: you've got the thickness of the cladding, maybe you've got
Speaker 6: some brick something like that. So suddenly you know that
Speaker 6: that the r value in that wall is probably going
Speaker 6: to be a little bit diminished because you're not getting
Speaker 6: the benefit of the cladding. So again the insulation on
Speaker 6: those walls might not be working as well. And also,
Speaker 6: you know, if it was a garage that you literally
Speaker 6: just park the car and maybe that's okay, but in
Speaker 6: the end it's sort of a habitable space because you're
Speaker 6: working in there when you're doing the launch. Yes, ye, look,
Speaker 6: I think if it's accessible and you know, it's a
Speaker 6: relatively straightforward job, there would be a benefit. And I
Speaker 6: think the benefit without weigh the cost of a couple
Speaker 6: of bags of insulation. Oh well, thank you very but
Speaker 6: I'm really fair. I'm pretty much a big fan of insulation.
Speaker 6: So there you go.
Speaker 8: Yes, well see I've been in the garage a lot
Speaker 8: of the time. But yes, that's right.
Speaker 2: Just one.
Speaker 8: More question, can I not too much a question? But
Speaker 8: these days are always run the cold water through your roof,
Speaker 8: all the pipes through the roof and see it under
Speaker 8: the ground. Yes, I did years ago when piles and
Speaker 8: when you want to drink a water or something, a
Speaker 8: run run run this water. It's such a waste feed up.
Speaker 8: Often thought, is there not a system that you could
Speaker 8: do so?
Speaker 6: But in terms of like typically it's not an issue
Speaker 6: for cold water, because cold water quite happily sits in
Speaker 6: all of the pipes, and you know as soon as
Speaker 6: you need it, it's there. Sometimes, you know, if people
Speaker 6: don't think too much about where they're placing hot water cylinders,
Speaker 6: if there's a significant delay in getting hot water to
Speaker 6: the tap, for example, in the kitchen, we tend to
Speaker 6: waste a lot of water because you know, we all
Speaker 6: do it right. You turn the hot tap on, and
Speaker 6: you wait for all of the cold to purge, and
Speaker 6: then when finally the hot water comes out of the
Speaker 6: kitchen sink or kitchen spout, you put the plug in
Speaker 6: the sink and start filling the sink up with water.
Speaker 6: But in the meantime, you've lost I don't know, a
Speaker 6: liter of water or so. And you're doing that a
Speaker 6: couple of times a day. You know, it is a
Speaker 6: little bit of a waste of water.
Speaker 8: It is I already met drinking water. You just raced
Speaker 8: all that water until the water comes cold.
Speaker 6: But I see, yes, because you're getting warm water because
Speaker 6: your pipes are up in the roof space. If it
Speaker 6: was interesting that was that came up in a discussion yesterday,
Speaker 6: actually around running pipes throughout uninsulated roof spaces or cold
Speaker 6: roof spaces. I guess the other thing you could do again,
Speaker 6: if it's accessible and it's safe to get around up
Speaker 6: there in the same way, that you can buy like
Speaker 6: a foam, like a pool sausage type thing. That's what
Speaker 6: we use for insulating pipes. There's no reason that you
Speaker 6: couldn't put that around the cold pipes as well, because
Speaker 6: if that roof baces forty degrees during the summer, which
Speaker 6: it easily will be, and that's warming up your cold
Speaker 6: pipes as well, just insulate them with some of those
Speaker 6: pool littles. Yes, yep, there you go, Peter, there's a
Speaker 6: couple of jobs.
Speaker 11: Judge, we're both.
Speaker 6: Nice to talk, take care of all.
Speaker 10: The best to you.
Speaker 6: I eight one hundred eighty ten eighty the number to
Speaker 6: call quick text hey Pete some general advice on painting
Speaker 6: anything asbestos around the house. Look, it goes without saying.
Speaker 6: I hope that you know you're cautious around asbestos. So
Speaker 6: in terms of preparation, you don't want to be sanding
Speaker 6: it You probably don't even want to be pressure washing
Speaker 6: it or water blasting it. A chemical treatment, so proprietary
Speaker 6: house wash just to apply it. Let the chemicals do
Speaker 6: the work in terms of getting rid of any moss
Speaker 6: and mold and mildew, and then a very gentle wash down.
Speaker 6: And I wouldn't even try and sand or prep anything. Really,
Speaker 6: I'd just be applying a coat of paint over the
Speaker 6: top of the existing and that's absolutely fine. Oh, eight
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty ten eighty the number to call. Another
Speaker 6: quick text before the break. Remove floor in the living
Speaker 6: room which has been covered in a clear varnish which
Speaker 6: is now peeling and bubbling up in places? Can you
Speaker 6: please advise how to remove it and is it best
Speaker 6: and what is best to replace it? From ELF in
Speaker 6: New Plymouth, ELF, I think that if the varnish is
Speaker 6: bubbling and so on, it's an issue with the top
Speaker 6: coat being applied over an existing old coat, right, so
Speaker 6: it's effectively it's delaminating between there. Most of the time
Speaker 6: with timber floors it's a re sand and then you
Speaker 6: know back to beer timber and then bringing it up
Speaker 6: with the polyurethanes, whether they're water borne or solvent born polyurethanes.
Speaker 6: I have done once in a situation where I just
Speaker 6: need a new coating, but I didn't want to go
Speaker 6: to the expense on behalf of the client of sanding
Speaker 6: the floors. I had the guys come in and do
Speaker 6: effectively like an acid wash over the surface, just to
Speaker 6: really cleanse it, and then apply a couple of coats
Speaker 6: of polyurethane that lasted quite well. But look, it'll just
Speaker 6: if it's peeling like that. It's all about the preparation
Speaker 6: and so you'll need to remove that surface. Nine times
Speaker 6: out of ten. It's a get the floor sanders and
Speaker 6: cut it right back to beer timber start again. Oh
Speaker 6: eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the number to call,
Speaker 6: coming up twenty eight minutes away from seven. Call us
Speaker 6: now we've got a spare line. Oh eight hundred eighty
Speaker 6: ten eighty. Text the grade as well. Nine two nine
Speaker 6: two and if you'd like to email me, it's Pete
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Speaker 6: Right, Oh six thirty five here News Talks b. Pam
Speaker 6: A very good morning.
Speaker 12: Good morning to you. I have a covered concrete patio
Speaker 12: and for safety reasons, I'd like to bring the base
Speaker 12: up to the level of the doorway with timber. And
Speaker 12: I'm wondering what safety in mind, what would be the
Speaker 12: best timber to use, and any suggestions you have regarding
Speaker 12: finishing and maintain on.
Speaker 6: Can I presume that the existing patio probably is down
Speaker 6: maybe somewhere between one hundred and one hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: millimeters below the sort of level of the floor.
Speaker 12: I've got here eighteen centimeters.
Speaker 6: Okay, so one hundred and eighty mil okay, yeah, And
Speaker 6: I can understand why you want to do that because
Speaker 6: it's it's quite feels like quite a step down, does it.
Speaker 6: And the step down typically is required by the building
Speaker 6: code to ensure that we protect houses from flooding and
Speaker 6: those sorts of events there are, so certainly you can
Speaker 6: do it. One of the challenges is, you know, typically
Speaker 6: we've got a pile, a bearer and a joist, right
Speaker 6: and you're not going to have the space to do
Speaker 6: all of that. But if you've got a concrete patio
Speaker 6: there in it's sound, you can easily just build off
Speaker 6: there to end up with either a level or almost
Speaker 6: level timber coming up to is it a ranch slider
Speaker 6: or a set of French doors? Okay, so sliding door then,
Speaker 6: and it's a covered patio, so you're not too worried
Speaker 6: about the timber getting slippery if you did want to
Speaker 6: go timber. The other thing is that composite decking materials,
Speaker 6: and there's a range of those available. One of the
Speaker 6: ones that I've used in the past, and I did
Speaker 6: it's quite a few years ago now. I did one
Speaker 6: job where I needed to build an extension to a
Speaker 6: deck and then an accessible ramp right at a place
Speaker 6: that had lots of people that needed accessibility provisions, and
Speaker 6: I used a composite decking called Outdure. Yeah, so Outdure
Speaker 6: Actually I used it again another project at the school
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago. So one of the things
Speaker 6: about that is they are able to calculate the slip
Speaker 6: resistance coefficient, right, so you know that the surface of
Speaker 6: the material will always give you a certain slip resistance.
Speaker 6: You can use timber, whether that's a soft wood like
Speaker 6: pine or a hardwood. You can use grip tread timber,
Speaker 6: so you've got that grooved surface up if you want
Speaker 6: that slip resistance.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look to.
Speaker 6: Be fair in that situation, either timber or a composite
Speaker 6: will be okay. If it was an area that's going
Speaker 6: to be weathered quite a bit, then a composite just
Speaker 6: in terms of safety might actually have some advantages. And
Speaker 6: the other thing that.
Speaker 12: I'm looking for safety because I have had of fair falls.
Speaker 6: Yeah, then then you know, maybe the composite is actually
Speaker 6: going to be a better solution for you. The other
Speaker 6: thing is that increasingly there's a number of firms out
Speaker 6: there who are doing essentially they'll make the frame out
Speaker 6: of aluminium, so it's and it's prefabricated, can either be
Speaker 6: delivered to site as components or delivered to site as
Speaker 6: sort of like a Kitset pack, and then the decking
Speaker 6: is fixed straight down onto the top of it. And
Speaker 6: the advantage to that is that you end up with
Speaker 6: you know, you can use aluminium, which means that you
Speaker 6: get longer spans and not as much depth, which if
Speaker 6: you've only got on a hundred eighty millimeters to work with,
Speaker 6: that's an advantage and typically they'll come You can use
Speaker 6: adjustable pads jacks that you can sit onto the patio.
Speaker 6: So I think once you start talking with your contractors,
Speaker 6: ask them about the whether to use a composite and
Speaker 6: whether or not to use an aluminium deck. It is
Speaker 6: more pricey, but it will make for a faster job
Speaker 6: and there are some benefits in terms of working with
Speaker 6: that height. At that height, you could also just fix down.
Speaker 6: You'd want to ensure. The only thing to look for
Speaker 6: in terms of fixing timber down is you don't want
Speaker 6: to fix large plates of timber down onto the patio
Speaker 6: and stop the water being able to track away. So
Speaker 6: I presume the patio's got fall on it now, so
Speaker 6: the water drains away. Whatever you do for your fixings,
Speaker 6: you want to make sure that that water continues to
Speaker 6: drain away.
Speaker 12: Oh okay, thank you doing match, No trouble at all.
Speaker 6: And look, I can imagine that when the jobst it
Speaker 6: will make a significant difference to being comfortably inside and
Speaker 6: out is a there is really very much level entry.
Speaker 6: All the best, Thank you, great, thank you, pleasure, take
Speaker 6: care and murray a very good morning to you.
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning, Peter, You got me go for it.
Speaker 9: My question is regarding Matti floor in the versus engineered flooring.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've done it.
Speaker 9: I've done I've done an alteration, and I'm doing another
Speaker 9: addition to that that alteration. In the past one we
Speaker 9: used Matti flooring because the house was about a nineteen
Speaker 9: fifty nineteen sixty, yes, and the Matti floor after the
Speaker 9: first in the first year started cupping. I ended up
Speaker 9: with a with a cup that was glued and Secret
Speaker 9: Nail went on to fly with floor based underneath. Oh yeah,
Speaker 9: and on the on the next but I didn't really
Speaker 9: want to end up with the cupping issue again. So
Speaker 9: people are sugges to go into an engineered flooring, which
Speaker 9: stops that apparently true, and I can't get an engineered
Speaker 9: flooring with the mat I finished. So that was two
Speaker 9: different types timbers on the system. And obviously I can't
Speaker 9: see when I put the mat idea on it that
Speaker 9: doesn't breathe because by the time it goes down with
Speaker 9: a blue based and Secret Nail sort of corrects its
Speaker 9: own little beach space down there. So I was really
Speaker 9: unsure if you have had any thoughts on that there,
Speaker 9: you can stop the cup and the orb whether it's
Speaker 9: just something that you have to live with in regard
Speaker 9: if you want to use an older style flooring on
Speaker 9: a mod Yeah.
Speaker 6: I'm actually I'm thinking about a project that we did
Speaker 6: where you know, I had h Cowie floorboards throughout the house.
Speaker 6: It was slightly more straightforward situation because the way that
Speaker 6: the house had been renovated thirty five years ago, they'd
Speaker 6: poured a concrete slab for the extension that was level
Speaker 6: with the top of the carry flooring in the house.
Speaker 6: So no matter what you did, you were always going
Speaker 6: if you wanted to keep the carry flooring, you were
Speaker 6: always going to have a step up, which I didn't want.
Speaker 6: So it was kind of a no brainer for me.
Speaker 6: I just laid I did actually use an engineered floor
Speaker 6: or a laminate floor, and went over the top of
Speaker 6: the old carry and straight over the top of the
Speaker 6: concrete slab extension, and that allowed me to tie the
Speaker 6: whole thing in together. In your situation, you've got original Mattie,
Speaker 6: You've got Matti that was part of the extension. How
Speaker 6: big an area is the extension to the extension going
Speaker 6: to be? Oh couple a couple of hundred square meters? Crikey?
Speaker 6: All right? And how big is the air the existing part?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 6: Okay, all right?
Speaker 9: Well that I mean in that continuity through as might
Speaker 9: be achieved. But look absolutely as I can do that.
Speaker 6: So how bad is the cupping in the you know,
Speaker 6: so essentially we got floor number one, original floor number two,
Speaker 6: the addition floor number three is going to be what
Speaker 6: you're you're going to do in the future. So the
Speaker 6: cupping and floor number two is it significant now? Like could.
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 9: It settled back down again. So I went through the
Speaker 9: first season and cuptain you would have gone, maybe cut
Speaker 9: a couple of ny quite obvious and again split the
Speaker 9: joints somewhere the okay over the top. So I've done that.
Speaker 9: Then there's a settled down. Its shrunk fractionally, so you
Speaker 9: still can see a slight line where the first wall
Speaker 9: that went down it was just a real finished So yeah, sure,
Speaker 9: I'm sure the timber was dry enough or whether it
Speaker 9: was just the environment that.
Speaker 10: Was in.
Speaker 6: I to be fair, it feels well unless you're prepared
Speaker 6: to accept quite a significant difference in the appearance of
Speaker 6: the building. So you know, in terms of this is existing,
Speaker 6: this is new, and my floor changes, I think you'd
Speaker 6: I think you're going to stick with. If I was
Speaker 6: doing it, I would probably stick with Matti in the
Speaker 6: hope that the floor number two settles down and I
Speaker 6: don't have the cupping issues, and that if you're will
Speaker 6: you be laying your new Matti floor number three over
Speaker 6: the top of plywood is substrate again? Or will it
Speaker 6: go over joists?
Speaker 9: Now go a couple of flowered substrikes.
Speaker 6: Okay, So then it's really about ensuring that the plight
Speaker 6: that the Matti is. I wonder whether the Matti that
Speaker 6: went down for floor number two was just had a
Speaker 6: slightly higher moisture content.
Speaker 3: That it should.
Speaker 6: So if yeah, if you get the moisture content right
Speaker 6: on floor number three, you shouldn't have the issues with
Speaker 6: the cupping. And just just because of the I mean
Speaker 6: we're talking significant areas, right, it just feels like a
Speaker 6: waste to go over the top of one and two
Speaker 6: in order to get a consistent feel.
Speaker 9: I wouldn't do I wouldn't do that because the other
Speaker 9: the house is actually so Yeah. I love the original
Speaker 9: Matti as the never cut in. It's lovely, you know, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 9: And they joined the new the new one on real
Speaker 9: one and you can see the joints but have quite
Speaker 9: looks quite looks quite nice.
Speaker 6: See, Like, I don't mind that sort of thing with
Speaker 6: In fact, even in my own house, you know, I'm
Speaker 6: an old villa. We've got those carry floors at the
Speaker 6: front of the house. When I added on at the back,
Speaker 6: I ended up actually, as it happens, I ended up
Speaker 6: buying the floor out of an old science classroom from
Speaker 6: I'm a high school through a demolition guy that I knew,
Speaker 6: with the intention that they would lift the floor and
Speaker 6: I would then take the floor and relay it in
Speaker 6: My extension. Didn't quite go as simply as that, but
Speaker 6: I've still ended up with existing Cararie flooring. Then you
Speaker 6: could see because I've just patched rather than taking the
Speaker 6: boards out, i just patched where our bathroom used to
Speaker 6: be at the end of the hallway, and there was
Speaker 6: holes through for pipes for the bath and that sort
Speaker 6: of thing. I've patched those and left them obvious. Then
Speaker 6: I've got a transition into my new extent or not
Speaker 6: so new extension, twenty five year old extension now, and
Speaker 6: that just tells the story of the house. But there
Speaker 6: is a consistency because I've used old Carrie at the
Speaker 6: back and I've got my existing Carri at the front,
Speaker 6: So I get where you're coming from. There, and the
Speaker 6: fact that you've got a transition just tells a story
Speaker 6: about the house, which is lovely.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Okay, so obviously no clear out it prob no.
Speaker 6: I think in the end it comes down to preference.
Speaker 6: You've worked through the options. I think, you know, if
Speaker 6: they were smaller spaces, then possibly you'd look at doing
Speaker 6: an overlay over the whole thing. But I think for
Speaker 6: such large areas, it feels like you're going to have
Speaker 6: to stick with the MATTEI, which isn't a bad choice. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's awesome, awesome, I enjoy the building. Oh wow, what
Speaker 6: a build? Oh eight hundred and eighty. Now talking about
Speaker 6: building and projects some time ago, and I'm sure I've
Speaker 6: mentioned this occasionally, not too much, but every now and
Speaker 6: then about a project that I did. Well, we did
Speaker 6: my wife and I did a couple of years ago,
Speaker 6: and it was a little cottage. We bought it, we've
Speaker 6: renovated it. I put in kind of a lot of
Speaker 6: the ideas that I've been thinking about over the last
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen years ago, over the last ten or
Speaker 6: fifteen years, so, you know, things around insulation, things around dampproofing,
Speaker 6: things around better joiner all you know, better glazing, extraction, heating,
Speaker 6: all of that, and while I was doing the project,
Speaker 6: we did actually video some of it that's set around
Speaker 6: in the drawer for a while. Those videos are now
Speaker 6: going to go up live over the next couple of
Speaker 6: weeks on my YouTube channel. So if you go to
Speaker 6: the social media you'll find me there that'll take a
Speaker 6: link through to the YouTube, or if you just go
Speaker 6: to YouTube and have a look for Peter Wolfcamp, Resident Builder,
Speaker 6: the videos will come up. There's the I've Been Thinking series,
Speaker 6: which is already up, and then there'll be what I'm
Speaker 6: calling my hosts project host being the Dutch word for
Speaker 6: house hosts. Project videos will start this week, so if
Speaker 6: you want to see what I've been up to, you
Speaker 6: can check those out online, check them out on YouTube.
Speaker 6: It is eleven minutes away from seven o'clock. We are
Speaker 6: going to take short break. Then we're going to talk
Speaker 6: to Pete. Not talking to myself, just talking to Pete
Speaker 6: after the break measure God was.
Speaker 1: But maybe call Pete first, Pete wolfcav the Resident Builder
Speaker 1: News talk say'd be.
Speaker 6: All quick text as well. Pete, I need to replace
Speaker 6: the car port roof to match my house. The roof
Speaker 6: is the current roof is unpainted galvanized iron. I've been
Speaker 6: given two quotes. One states point four b am I iron.
Speaker 6: The other is point five to five. First quote is cheaper,
Speaker 6: probably because the materials are cheaper. It's slightly thinner, and
Speaker 6: has been fully itemized with a breakdown of costs. The
Speaker 6: second quote is eight hundred dollars dearer, but it hasn't
Speaker 6: broken down all the costs. Which do you suggest I
Speaker 6: go for? So I'm going to make an assumption that
Speaker 6: the car port roof is probably relatively low pitch, and
Speaker 6: then they tend to get walked on. And just for
Speaker 6: that reason, point four is absolutely fine in terms of
Speaker 6: roofing iron right, it complies et cetera, et cetera. I
Speaker 6: tend to go forero point five to five just because
Speaker 6: someone is likely to get up there and walk around,
Speaker 6: and they may not where to walk properly, and if
Speaker 6: they inadvertently stand in the wrong place, the point five
Speaker 6: to five will give them a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Strength.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 6: So, for that reason alone, in terms of the difference
Speaker 6: between the quotes, one that's fully detailed the other that's not,
Speaker 6: is to go to the second one and just go
Speaker 6: Does your price include and then you could list all
Speaker 6: of the items specified in the first quote, just as
Speaker 6: a way of checking that you know both quotes are
Speaker 6: for the same thing, that you're not going to get
Speaker 6: a quote that comes in seems competitive and then you
Speaker 6: get slammed with a whole bunch of extras at the
Speaker 6: end of it, which is actually that was in part
Speaker 6: of the We had a quantity survey speak yesterday at
Speaker 6: the conference as well or at the workshop around tendering
Speaker 6: and procurement and pricing and so on, and this is
Speaker 6: not an uncommon practice for contractors. They'll submit, you know,
Speaker 6: if it's a competitive situation where a number of people
Speaker 6: are pricing work, then they'll submit what seems like a
Speaker 6: lower cost, and then suddenly there'll be extras, and then
Speaker 6: you're constantly in the situation if you're the client of
Speaker 6: having to deal with extras, whereas someone else might price
Speaker 6: more comprehensively include some whole a lot of things that
Speaker 6: are foreseeable, and then you know their price is the price,
Speaker 6: rather than someone who prices deliberately leaving things out and
Speaker 6: the hope that they can make it up on extras,
Speaker 6: which I think is just a little bit dodgy. Isn't it. Oh,
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to
Speaker 6: call five minutes away from seven pete.
Speaker 7: Good morning, good morning, how are you?
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Good things?
Speaker 10: That's good.
Speaker 7: I've got splitting retaining wall upright, eleven out of the ground. Yep,
Speaker 7: they hold a small garden. What little frunt trees, blind trees, etce.
Speaker 7: Just really want to know the structural integrity of those
Speaker 7: when they're starting to split.
Speaker 6: Right, So are the piles that are in the retaining
Speaker 6: wall or the posts? Are they round or square?
Speaker 3: Round?
Speaker 6: Okay? Surprisingly, there's actually I've never seen one bend or
Speaker 6: break because there's some basically gaps or cracks in them
Speaker 6: where it's dried out right. Not terribly attractive, I know,
Speaker 6: But in terms of it actually impacting the stability of it, no,
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have any concerns. The only thing that I
Speaker 6: have seen over time is that if let's say the
Speaker 6: cut on the top of the post is not angled,
Speaker 6: water can saturate into there and start rotting the post
Speaker 6: out from the top. And in one situation where that
Speaker 6: was quite ounced and it was a big retaining wall,
Speaker 6: I actually went along and made flashings. Didn't look particularly
Speaker 6: pretty but I made flashings that went over the top
Speaker 6: just to keep the water away from the top of that.
Speaker 6: So that's one thing to look at. But generally, if
Speaker 6: there's a split in the post, particularly if it's around
Speaker 6: I would never concern. We're back after the news.
Speaker 1: Doing under house storting the garden asked Pete for a hand.
Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp call eight hundred news
Speaker 1: dogs me.
Speaker 6: Sorry, just having a chat actually about AI. This was
Speaker 6: welcome back to the show. By the way, Pete wolf
Speaker 6: Camp here and this is the resident builder on Sunday.
Speaker 6: We're taking your questions and hopefully I'm providing some answers,
Speaker 6: and by the way, it will be me providing the answers.
Speaker 6: And I say that because one of the topics that
Speaker 6: came up at the workshop that I was attending yesterday
Speaker 6: was around the use of AI, artificial intelligence. It was
Speaker 6: a fascinating insight. Bruce Ross I think his name was,
Speaker 6: the presenter, was you know in this field, particularly from
Speaker 6: a leadership and business point of view, what the impact
Speaker 6: of AI is. And I think there's some real possibilities
Speaker 6: for it in the construction sector. And I've often wondered
Speaker 6: whether it's just an a site. We'll talk to me
Speaker 6: in just second that you know, one of the things
Speaker 6: we talk about is building consents taking a long time
Speaker 6: to be processed, and then the next step of that
Speaker 6: conversation is often pointing the finger at the processing, which
Speaker 6: is the building consent authorities and local councils who process
Speaker 6: the building consents as if they're holding things up. And
Speaker 6: in some cases that might be true, but I suspect
Speaker 6: as well that one of the reasons that some building
Speaker 6: consents take a while to go through processing is that
Speaker 6: the building consent itself is of poor quality to be blunt,
Speaker 6: you know, they've missed out items, they haven't shown code,
Speaker 6: they haven't shown building code or building standards correctly, they've
Speaker 6: missed out things. They've got poor details, they haven't just
Speaker 6: a bad set of plans, right, and we've all seen them, right,
Speaker 6: So you kind of wonder whether those all plans being
Speaker 6: submitted for building consent. Let's say for residential work, that
Speaker 6: you get AI to read the building code, figure out
Speaker 6: what's supposed to be in the consent, scan the consent,
Speaker 6: if there are items that should be there that aren't there,
Speaker 6: it'll know potentially within minutes. Creates a list of these
Speaker 6: things are not included, and it goes straight back to
Speaker 6: the person who' submitted the consent, going you don't have
Speaker 6: these details in here. I would have thought that that's
Speaker 6: a pretty straightforward use of AI in terms of construct
Speaker 6: There'll be other uses. There'll be a myriad of other uses.
Speaker 6: So it's a fascinating insight into I guess what the
Speaker 6: world's going to look like in a couple of years
Speaker 6: time in terms of the use of AI. You may
Speaker 6: want to comment on that it was a good conference.
Speaker 6: Actually it's the beauty. I mean, I'm not well. I'm
Speaker 6: actually now an honorary member of the New Zealand Institute
Speaker 6: of Building Surveys. But going along to these conferences yesterday
Speaker 6: listening to people talking about remote inspections, talking with Jeff Barrenson,
Speaker 6: who's the basically head of building Inspections for AUKN Council,
Speaker 6: talking about the inspection process and what might be changing,
Speaker 6: talking about people from the Green Building Council, Passive House Institute,
Speaker 6: and actually Storm Harper Harpham, who has been on this
Speaker 6: program talking about ventilation, did a fantastic presentation as well.
Speaker 6: So I quite enjoy that whole professional development thing rdio
Speaker 6: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number
Speaker 6: two concern? M Someone has has counted my comment prior
Speaker 6: to the news about the timber pete. I would have
Speaker 6: a concern of splitting of tantalized posts, especially in frosty
Speaker 6: cold areas, such as when the water ingress freezes and
Speaker 6: splits a post even more, reducing its strength. Timbers not
Speaker 6: like in all honesty, I'd love to see a photograph
Speaker 6: of timber posts freezing and splitting. I know it happens
Speaker 6: in Stone in very cold circumstances, in very limited circumstances,
Speaker 6: but I understand your concern. I think it's a good
Speaker 6: theoretical concern. In practical terms, I can't see it happening.
Speaker 6: I'm more than happy to be corrected on that, but
Speaker 6: I can't see it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call. May A very good
Speaker 6: morning and thanks for waiting.
Speaker 14: Morning you good. I just wonder if you can give
Speaker 14: me some advised opinion regarding the louver window in the
Speaker 14: kitchen as well as in the bathroom. Sure, on one
Speaker 14: corner of the kitchen is the oven, and then site
Speaker 14: on this side is their bench top. Then that that's
Speaker 14: where the windows the three pain window on top of
Speaker 14: the bench. The middle one is the lub window. So
Speaker 14: with that, does it need to be replaced with the
Speaker 14: some and what is the best approach to replace that
Speaker 14: lub window. I presume that the standard on the Healthy
Speaker 14: Home standard.
Speaker 6: Okay, in terms of healthy home standard, So if it's
Speaker 6: a mental property and you're doing the work in order
Speaker 6: to comply with the Residential Tendencies Amendment Act Healthy Home standards,
Speaker 6: you don't have to change the windows at all, okay,
Speaker 6: So there is no requirement to upgrade glazing. Where if
Speaker 6: someone was to do an independent assessment of the property,
Speaker 6: one of the criteria is that there should be no
Speaker 6: excessive drafts. So for example, if the louver is the
Speaker 6: really old fashioned ones with and it doesn't close particularly well,
Speaker 6: someone might give an opinion that that is an unreasonable draft.
Speaker 6: But you know, I would probably push back on that
Speaker 6: unless it's in really poor quality and it doesn't seal.
Speaker 6: Accepting the fact that louvers don't seal particularly well, and
Speaker 6: older ones often when you close them there's a gap
Speaker 6: between the individual pieces of glass. Obviously, you know, having
Speaker 6: a louver closing means that you've got lots of lots
Speaker 6: of gaps. You know, you might have six or seven
Speaker 6: gaps in the louver. But in terms of healthy homes,
Speaker 6: if someone has said to you, if you're happen to
Speaker 6: be the landlord or the owner of the property, that
Speaker 6: it doesn't comply, I would probably push back and say,
Speaker 6: it's not an unre reasonable gap unless it's in very
Speaker 6: poor quality.
Speaker 14: Okay, so there's the same thing apply to the bathroom
Speaker 14: as well. The bathroom has the luber windows clothed.
Speaker 6: Bath Yeah, yeah, the only reason that you would comment
Speaker 6: on it, I think in terms of healthy home standard
Speaker 6: would be around gaps. There is and I'm very clear
Speaker 6: about this, there is no requirement in the Act to
Speaker 6: upgrade glazing in the same way that there is no
Speaker 6: requirement to install insulation into walls. There is an accessible
Speaker 6: ceilings and subfloor spaces, but not into walls. Now, it
Speaker 6: might be a good idea, but in terms of compliance
Speaker 6: with the co or with the Act, there is no requirement.
Speaker 14: Okay, so then what about the EXPLI I'm for the.
Speaker 6: In terms of compliance for extraction, I would think that
Speaker 6: would actually comply because again there is a requirement in
Speaker 6: healthy homes to provide extraction from the kitchen area. It
Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily need to be a range hoit. It could
Speaker 6: just be extraction from there. And whether that's through the wall,
Speaker 6: through the ceiling, or an expell air that's in the glass,
Speaker 6: which is a little bit of an old fashioned thing
Speaker 6: these days, I would argue that that is compliant.
Speaker 14: Okay, right, So that means that no alterations is quite
Speaker 14: necessary in that case.
Speaker 6: As long as they're in reasonable condition and they're working,
Speaker 6: I think you could make a very strong case to
Speaker 6: say this complies. And just to be really clear from
Speaker 6: my point of view, I have been ever since the
Speaker 6: Act came out, a big supporter of healthy home standards
Speaker 6: for residential properties, right, and I have no time whatsoever
Speaker 6: for landlords that claim that it's an unnecessary burden and
Speaker 6: all the rest of it. The threshold is not terribly high,
Speaker 6: and I think that all landlords have a duty to
Speaker 6: get their houses to healthy home standards. It's you know,
Speaker 6: it's got to be a pretty poor building for it
Speaker 6: not to comply. Flip side of that is, I also
Speaker 6: don't have a great deal of time for people who
Speaker 6: are doing healthy homes assessments who are making unreasonable assessments
Speaker 6: of property. And I had a discussion with someone one
Speaker 6: time who they had a healthy Homes assessment of a
Speaker 6: property that had double hung sash windows, and the assessor said,
Speaker 6: you need to take all of those windows out and
Speaker 6: replace them because they're not Healthy homes compliant. Now that's
Speaker 6: that's almost criminal in my mind, right, those sorts of assessments,
Speaker 6: because as long as they're in reasonable condition, that they've
Speaker 6: actually got the fastener that closes the two sashes together,
Speaker 6: that they're not terribly twisted with big gaps underneath it,
Speaker 6: I think that the windows should comply with the requirements.
Speaker 14: So okay, yeah, just one one point. In the laundry,
Speaker 14: there's loover windows that's okay as well, and they are
Speaker 14: or if.
Speaker 6: They're in good condition. Yeah, I think that. I mean,
Speaker 6: look again, there's a benefit there. I always like to
Speaker 6: see extraction in the laundry. I think that's a real
Speaker 6: advantage if you can get some extraction in the laundry
Speaker 6: because people do leave the dryer on, they leave the
Speaker 6: washing machine on again and the presentation yesta about ventilation,
Speaker 6: you know, doing the washing inside the house is about
Speaker 6: three liters of water that that is released into the atmosphere, right,
Speaker 6: so that water has got to go somewhere, or that
Speaker 6: moisture content in the atmosphere needs to go somewhere. Ideally
Speaker 6: we're extracting it and pushing it out of the building.
Speaker 14: Oh well, that's okay.
Speaker 6: Thanks very lovely to talk with you, mate, Thank you
Speaker 6: very much. Okay, good take care, Bobe. And again, just
Speaker 6: to be crystal clear on this, I think that you know,
Speaker 6: the healthy Homes compliance is not terribly difficult, to be blunt,
Speaker 6: and again I don't have a great deal of time
Speaker 6: for landlords who go, oh no, it's a real burden
Speaker 6: and the house is fine and all the rest of it.
Speaker 6: You know, if you're in the business of being a landlord,
Speaker 6: then I think you have a responsibility to ensure that
Speaker 6: the property is in reasonable condition. And I don't think
Speaker 6: the three shoulder is terribly high. I don't know whether
Speaker 6: I necessarily want the government to make it more stringent,
Speaker 6: let's say, But like I said, my experience has been
Speaker 6: it's not a terribly high bar to reach. Oh you
Speaker 6: may wish to comment on that, oh, eight hundred and
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty quick couple of texts before the break morning, Pete.
Speaker 6: I've lived in Canada for many years, never had a
Speaker 6: problem with moisture expanding posts. The winter over here often
Speaker 6: gets down to minus thirty degrees. Cheers from Carey, Thank
Speaker 6: you for that look. I understand the principle about what
Speaker 6: the text is saying that if you get water and
Speaker 6: a post and it freezes, water expands when it freezes,
Speaker 6: and that could extend the post. Timber doesn't tend to
Speaker 6: freeze in the same way that something like stone does,
Speaker 6: so that's really interesting one. We got talking about water
Speaker 6: actually before in terms of you know, common practice most
Speaker 6: of us. I would imagine if we turn the shower on,
Speaker 6: we don't leap in straight away, right. We tend to
Speaker 6: turn the shower on, wait for it to warm up,
Speaker 6: and then we hop in. And of course that water
Speaker 6: is effectively wasted in the same way that if you
Speaker 6: need hot water from your kitchen sink and you don't
Speaker 6: have instant hot water there, you turn the tap on
Speaker 6: on hot generally there's a bit of cold water in
Speaker 6: the line that needs to purge before the hot water
Speaker 6: comes out. You know, times five million of us, times
Speaker 6: two million households, etc. That's a lot of water that
Speaker 6: effectively gets wasted. Because it's not warm. So a couple
Speaker 6: of people have texted her and said, look, if I
Speaker 6: run the tap, I catch it in a container. It
Speaker 6: goes into the washing machine, no waste. I know other
Speaker 6: people that will make a habit of maybe having the
Speaker 6: pot nearby and topping up the pot, and then when
Speaker 6: it comes time to cook the dinner, you've already got
Speaker 6: some water in the pot to boil the potatoes, or
Speaker 6: do the pasta or something like that. Leave the jug empty,
Speaker 6: use the cold water in the hotline to fill the
Speaker 6: jug each time, so you're not There's a whole lot
Speaker 6: of new things like that. I think that's great. Um, oh,
Speaker 6: this is a good eat too on a new build.
Speaker 6: How can you determine how many coats of paint have
Speaker 6: been applied to Linear weatherboards? And they've been very specific
Speaker 6: about this. So Linear is a fiber cement weatherboard system
Speaker 6: from James Hardy's from John or like that's like a
Speaker 6: little iceberg floating along. Right, there's a little question on
Speaker 6: the top that goes how many coats of paint underneath that.
Speaker 6: There's a whole issue. There's a whole lot of issues
Speaker 6: around quality of workmanship. Manufacturers warranties, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 6: So I think that the only way to if you
Speaker 6: really really got a concern is you would need to
Speaker 6: take a sample of it and send it away for analysis. Right,
Speaker 6: So some of the paint manufacturers might be able to
Speaker 6: do that for you. I'm guessing. I'm assuming that your
Speaker 6: question really relates to the fact that, like I've seen it,
Speaker 6: and I've seen it with other pre painted boards. So
Speaker 6: my own preference for these types of products pre painted
Speaker 6: exterior cladding is they come with a factory primer on them.
Speaker 6: Some come with a factory primer and a first coat.
Speaker 6: Most come just with a factory primer. I think that
Speaker 6: primer degrades a little bit, so my inclination would always
Speaker 6: be to install the product sand the surface, rear coat,
Speaker 6: recoat with a new primer coat, and then do minimum
Speaker 6: to top coats on it. I am sure that there
Speaker 6: would be builders and developers and painters out there who
Speaker 6: will install a product like that that's got a factory
Speaker 6: coat on it and then just give it one top
Speaker 6: coat and say that that's finished. And I suspect John,
Speaker 6: that's what your question is about. I think what you'd
Speaker 6: do is you'd go back to you'd ask the developer,
Speaker 6: can you provide me a statement from the painter to
Speaker 6: say that the weather boards have been finished in accordance
Speaker 6: with the manufacturer's specifications and for your reference, I attach
Speaker 6: a copy of the specifications and best practice guidelines from
Speaker 6: the manufacturer. Have you done this? And then they can
Speaker 6: either tell you the truth or they can lie. And
Speaker 6: if you want to know more, I think you could
Speaker 6: get a representative from the paint firm to come and
Speaker 6: assess it for you. And there may well be some
Speaker 6: testing as well. And then another quick text Pete, I
Speaker 6: heard that a brand new house failed a Healthy Home inspection. Yes,
Speaker 6: that's quite possible. And the reason being is that, in
Speaker 6: a glaring oversight to the New Zealand Building Code, there
Speaker 6: is no requirement in the New Zealand Building Code to
Speaker 6: provide heating all right, So there is nothing in the
Speaker 6: building Code that says you have to put heating into
Speaker 6: a house. Healthy Home Standards has a requirement for a
Speaker 6: fixed form of heating in the living area that will
Speaker 6: ensure that the building attains it's either eighteen or twenty
Speaker 6: degrees in winter and you have to prove that right.
Speaker 6: So if you've done a healthy Homes assessment, you can
Speaker 6: use a tool that's online. You can describe the walls,
Speaker 6: you can describe the type of insulation, you can describe
Speaker 6: the type of joinery. You can describe the type of glazing.
Speaker 6: You can describe the floor and the ceiling. Space, you
Speaker 6: work out and do a calculation of the living space.
Speaker 6: The living space also includes any space is attached to
Speaker 6: it that don't have a door that you can close.
Speaker 6: So if there's an open staircase and an upstairs landing,
Speaker 6: that space needs to be included in the calculation for
Speaker 6: the living space. If it's an open plan kitchen, dining area,
Speaker 6: all of that space needs to be included. Then it
Speaker 6: gives you a calculation for the volume. Then it tells
Speaker 6: you how much heating that will require. And then you
Speaker 6: can look through and see does that heat pump have
Speaker 6: sufficient heating capacity for that space? And it'll be a
Speaker 6: yes or no, brand new house, no heating in it,
Speaker 6: it'll fail Healthy homes. There you go, oh, eight hundred eighty,
Speaker 6: ten eighty the number to call. It's coming up twenty
Speaker 6: four minutes after seven.
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans or wondering
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter
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Speaker 6: Good text Pete that the Building Code doesn't make the
Speaker 6: healthy home standard is proof that the government and the
Speaker 6: building industry are dysfunctional and failing us. He's really sure
Speaker 6: that I go that far. But it does point out
Speaker 6: a massive disjoint between two parts of the same branch
Speaker 6: of government, doesn't it. James Greetings, Good morning Peter.
Speaker 11: My question is I have two friends there relatively unknown
Speaker 11: to each other. But one friend has built a house
Speaker 11: approximately five years ago and due to circumstances he sold it.
Speaker 11: Another friend has bought that house at auction ah, and
Speaker 11: he now has a problem with a leak or water
Speaker 11: in the bathroom and also the toilet. The bathroom is tiled.
Speaker 11: Now this leak could be due to plumbing or a
Speaker 11: waterproofing with the tiled bathroom. Now my understanding that tyler
Speaker 11: and plumber would have to give producer statements for CODA.
Speaker 6: Compliance, certainly within the last well last fifteen years, but
Speaker 6: certainly within the last five years undoubtedly.
Speaker 11: And also the friend that built the house would have
Speaker 11: been lbp'd in his number would be on this job
Speaker 11: for ten years.
Speaker 6: So the person who built the house literally built it
Speaker 6: because they are in LBP.
Speaker 11: Well yes, and they built it for their own delivered
Speaker 11: for their home, but like say, due to circumstances, it
Speaker 11: was sold. Now with these issues, where does a liability lie? Now?
Speaker 6: She was I mean, actually, one of the things that
Speaker 6: again was discussing the conference is around joint and several liability, right,
Speaker 6: and the way that we have it in New Zealand
Speaker 6: is that kind of everyone gets called into these disputes.
Speaker 6: But in this particular instance, the main contractor, which might
Speaker 6: be friend number one who happens to be an LBP,
Speaker 6: if they were the main contractor and responsible for finding
Speaker 6: and commissioning and supervising and paying the subcontractors. So if
Speaker 6: friend number one got plumber in plumber did the job
Speaker 6: and got paid by number one, then they are going
Speaker 6: to be involved in this as well. Certainly, if there's
Speaker 6: a problem with the waterproofing, given that waterproofing has got
Speaker 6: a minimum fifteen year requirement, then the person who wrote
Speaker 6: out the producers statement for the warrant for the waterproofing,
Speaker 6: they will definitely be involved in this if it happens
Speaker 6: to be a plumbing leak fitting that hasn't been properly
Speaker 6: crimped or something like that, and that's causing the leak.
Speaker 6: Then it'll be the plumber that's responsible. But I think
Speaker 6: in the first incidence, you would probably go to the
Speaker 6: person who was the builder, friend number one, and go,
Speaker 6: I've got an issue with the house. And then they
Speaker 6: will start chasing these other people. And in the event
Speaker 6: that the other people have gone, you could still pursue
Speaker 6: them potentially. And this is this is where joint several
Speaker 6: liabilities a problem you then drag in council because council
Speaker 6: issued a ce CC right, and then counsel will try
Speaker 6: and sue these other people. It is quite messy. Get
Speaker 6: on to it straight away, right, you know, like it's
Speaker 6: not going to get better. Water leaks never get better.
Speaker 6: So Friend number two, who now owns the house and
Speaker 6: has the issue, needs to get on on the blower
Speaker 6: pretty quickly. Make people really, you know, go and do
Speaker 6: us a little bit of research around your responsibilities under
Speaker 6: the Building Act and also responsibilities under the various bits
Speaker 6: of consumer guarantees, requirements and laws, and people need to
Speaker 6: respond and get onto this really quickly.
Speaker 11: Who would be would this be an insurance people to
Speaker 11: chase these people or how would that work as well?
Speaker 6: See let's say it's a water leak care by poor workmanship,
Speaker 6: right I think, and I it's just an opinion, right,
Speaker 6: you know, you would need to go and consult either
Speaker 6: with the lawyer or with your insurer. That I wonder
Speaker 6: whether an insurance company might say this is in fact
Speaker 6: gradual damage so they might engage. I mean what you
Speaker 6: raise an interesting point around should we as an industry
Speaker 6: in terms of construction and house building, should we be
Speaker 6: looking at compulsory insurance as a way of ensuring that
Speaker 6: the burden for poor workmanship doesn't always end up at
Speaker 6: the council's foot, right, you know, in their lap, which
Speaker 6: it does at the moment. But I think there are
Speaker 6: clear responsibilities for lbp's construction plumbers and people who give
Speaker 6: out certificates for waterproofing that their work needs to comply.
Speaker 6: I guess what inevitably will happen is everyone will say
Speaker 6: it's somebody else's problem. So it might be worthwhile for
Speaker 6: friend number two, who's now got the problem with the leak,
Speaker 6: to get someone to do an assessment to determine what
Speaker 6: the cause of the leak is that might make it quicker,
Speaker 6: or you could just go back to them. I would
Speaker 6: always start with the main contractor and go this job
Speaker 6: that you supervised has got a problem. I want you
Speaker 6: to sort it out.
Speaker 11: I know that's very good. Thanks for it.
Speaker 6: It's never a nice situation. But they don't get better
Speaker 6: on their own, So just crack into it. Get them
Speaker 6: to crack into it.
Speaker 11: And also the plumber has retired and sold his business,
Speaker 11: so there's another issue.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and many people involved in construction and related sectors don't.
Speaker 6: There's a provision with some insurances which has a carry
Speaker 6: on clause, right, so even when you stop, your insurance
Speaker 6: carries on. So if that person had insurance for their
Speaker 6: work as a plumber and they're responsible for that work
Speaker 6: for ten years and they retire, there in some cases
Speaker 6: you can have an insurance policy that can will continue
Speaker 6: to cover your work for ten years even if you've retired.
Speaker 6: But only if you've got the right type of policy. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 6: let us know how you get on its. Look, it's
Speaker 6: an awful situation to be on and you've just got
Speaker 6: to crack into it.
Speaker 11: Yeah, both parties.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's ugly.
Speaker 11: Yeah, one person's advice and yes.
Speaker 6: Look in the end, as contractors, we're responsible for our work,
Speaker 6: right and the reality of work. Anyone who makes something
Speaker 6: will make a mistake, right, So if you've made a mistake,
Speaker 6: you fix it. That's how you got to do it.
Speaker 6: Nice to talk with you, James. You take care okay,
Speaker 6: Thanks all the best, all the best to you. Never
Speaker 6: a good situation, but you just go crack into it. Radio.
Speaker 6: I mentioned earlier in the show that I'd spent a
Speaker 6: night I went to christ Church on Wednesday. I was
Speaker 6: speaking at the Site Safe graduation, So for those people
Speaker 6: who had completed their site safe course, it's a level
Speaker 6: three qualification. I quite like christ Church. I don't spend
Speaker 6: a lot of time there. I had a little bit
Speaker 6: of time in the morning to go for a bit
Speaker 6: of a drive around, and quite genuinely, I was struck
Speaker 6: by the quality of some of the small residential redevelopment
Speaker 6: happening right inside, you know, like within the avenues in
Speaker 6: christ Church, and so I spent a little bit of
Speaker 6: time I was driving around. I went for a bit
Speaker 6: of a walk through the city beautiful Wednesday morning, and
Speaker 6: one of the things that I noticed was that I
Speaker 6: use a lot of render in christ Church. And I
Speaker 6: mentioned this to Mike Olds, who's going to join us
Speaker 6: now when we were chatting the other day, Mike, greetings,
Speaker 6: welcome to the show.
Speaker 10: Warning Pete.
Speaker 6: So I was like quite, I was genuinely struck one
Speaker 6: by the quality of the work that I saw in
Speaker 6: christ Church. And then when I was looking at it,
Speaker 6: I realized they use a lot of render in christ Church, right,
Speaker 6: And you would have seen this, and I've seen some
Speaker 6: pictures from the Razine construction work that's going on down there.
Speaker 6: People are using it and the end result is I
Speaker 6: think it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the part of it. I mean, the
Speaker 3: rebuild in christ Church has been it was a clean
Speaker 3: slate for the city in terms of and very few
Speaker 3: obviously cities have the opportunity as much as it's devastating
Speaker 3: initially to the community, but the opportunity for christ Church
Speaker 3: to get a really succinct, beautiful into interior city environs
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy. And when we looked at the and
Speaker 3: you look at the inner city now, I mean if
Speaker 3: you were down there even as as soon as five
Speaker 3: years ago, what you're what you're looking at now? I
Speaker 3: mean you saw the stadium going up the multi unit
Speaker 3: residential developments that are I think there was one there
Speaker 3: that we posted the other day around an Mr Street
Speaker 3: on the corner of m R Street, as as one
Speaker 3: in particular that we put up there on our Facebook
Speaker 3: was what it actually can ultimately become in terms of
Speaker 3: they're looking for low maintenance projects, are looking for performance
Speaker 3: in terms of acoustics because you're living in the inner city,
Speaker 3: so you want properties that are at nights and quiet
Speaker 3: even though you're living in that type of environment, which
Speaker 3: is which is quite difficult to achieve generally, so you're
Speaker 3: double glazing, there's absolutely imperative. The system that we use
Speaker 3: on that particular project was a lightweight concrete which has
Speaker 3: our integral panels, which has a very very good acoustic
Speaker 3: property as you're aware from tendancy walling external walling system,
Speaker 3: so it read dampens down a lot about the noise
Speaker 3: from just the general the strip down there obviously, which
Speaker 3: is party central for christ Church down by the Avon,
Speaker 3: but then moving just slightly out to sort of Latimers Square,
Speaker 3: Cramma Square, all those sorts of areas, and they're really distinct,
Speaker 3: these projects. They're not the same same and that's one
Speaker 3: of the really cool things in christ Church is that
Speaker 3: they're not they don't all look the same, the architecture different,
Speaker 3: but they're incorporating a lot of features that has been
Speaker 3: raised recently in media around or in the construction sector alone,
Speaker 3: around the build up of heat and and things like
Speaker 3: that into into some of these new apartments are getting constructed.
Speaker 3: And one of the one thing that struck me to
Speaker 3: talk with you the other day was that development, or
Speaker 3: that both those developments be put up on that Facebook
Speaker 3: had very small openings. They were deep recesses. They have
Speaker 3: external shading mechanisms, you know, large windows to sort of
Speaker 3: the southern southern sections of wall rather.
Speaker 10: Than the northern walls.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, whereas when you get into your private
Speaker 3: residential single dwellings on large sites, we we like to
Speaker 3: have lots of windows to look out on things. And
Speaker 3: but that is obviously one way to let a lot
Speaker 3: of soul again into it into a property. But these projects,
Speaker 3: they've been quite clever about how they've they're going to
Speaker 3: minimize the amount of heat or film will load inside
Speaker 3: the buildings, which is yeah, it's it's impressive with what
Speaker 3: they're doing and hopefully the level of design and builds
Speaker 3: and quality down and christ jedge in the space will
Speaker 3: flow to other areas around the country when businesses have
Speaker 3: conferences and christ conventions center there and they're looking around
Speaker 3: as this is doing a benchmark for other urban developments
Speaker 3: in the country. So it's pretty exciting times down there.
Speaker 6: And that's what struck me is that, you know, I
Speaker 6: had a bit of time in the morning, I went
Speaker 6: grab some breakfast, I had to wander around and as
Speaker 6: I was driving through that in a city area, the
Speaker 6: apartment you know, the sort of medium density residential developments
Speaker 6: that like you say, there's the appearance and it's great
Speaker 6: that they look really beautiful and they're appealing to look at,
Speaker 6: but then when you look at it deeper and you
Speaker 6: go okay. So part of the reason maybe that they're
Speaker 6: using a rendered finish there is because underneath that we
Speaker 6: can do a clouding system like the Integral that's got
Speaker 6: really good acoustic pilus properties, or maybe we're using something
Speaker 6: that's actually thermally efficient because it does get cold in
Speaker 6: christ Church. And then we have also got something that
Speaker 6: in ten years time when we need to do the maintenance,
Speaker 6: is the maintenance is relatively straightforward, and so it's something
Speaker 6: that's easier to do often gets done, whereas the more
Speaker 6: complex claddings in some cases that require higher levels of maintenance,
Speaker 6: that gets put in the two hard baskets. So there's
Speaker 6: all of those elements are there in that clouding which
Speaker 6: you just look at and go, gee, that looks really cool,
Speaker 6: But there's a lot of thinking behind it, which I
Speaker 6: think is really exciting for christ Church.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think.
Speaker 3: One of the other things when you look at some
Speaker 3: of these inner city projects that are getting developed, they
Speaker 3: are keeping the mix of exterior cloudings and connections and
Speaker 3: technical detailing. Yeah, yes, they're complex in some situations, but
Speaker 3: they are there to perform as well. So you're generally
Speaker 3: finding you've got maybe two maximum three external wall cloudings.
Speaker 3: Most of the stuff that we're seeing generally would have
Speaker 3: have two, so you'd have some sort of either stone,
Speaker 3: stone or timber or plaster as a dominant component, you know.
Speaker 3: So so keeping it reasonably clean and easier in terms
Speaker 3: of like you said, in terms of the maintenance in
Speaker 3: a few years, the body corporates that are looking after
Speaker 3: these projects only have to worry about two potential clading
Speaker 3: maintenance items rather than ten different plantings across the different units.
Speaker 3: They've kept them very simple yet yet quite classic and
Speaker 3: style wise empathetic, which is fantastic, you know. And I
Speaker 3: think that that's that these are important thoughts when not
Speaker 3: necessarily justin multi unit developments, but equally on individual properties.
Speaker 3: You know, be thinking about craky. If if I'm putting
Speaker 3: seedar up, I'm going to be needing to to soft
Speaker 3: wash and potentially restain that in five or five years,
Speaker 3: you know, to keep it looking good. Whereas if you're
Speaker 3: looking at something like a plaster surface, your rendered surface,
Speaker 3: you've got a big flat wall area that's reasonably young complex,
Speaker 3: and that is that you can maintain easily. And he's
Speaker 3: equally clean easily as well, you know. So it doesn't
Speaker 3: matter what you do on a build these days, you
Speaker 3: will always have maintenance. It's about don't leave it to
Speaker 3: the last minute. They be proactive with it. And and
Speaker 3: the long and the long term costs to support that
Speaker 3: type of quality of the build. It will endure for
Speaker 3: a lot longer, I mean, and part of our part
Speaker 3: of the appraisal process, we sit there with a minimum
Speaker 3: expected durability of thirty years. I mean, we've got we've
Speaker 3: been We've been here in New Zealand for in terms
Speaker 3: of the coding systems, in terms of the render for
Speaker 3: over thirty five now with some of the original projects
Speaker 3: standing that test of time beyond that period, which is
Speaker 3: which is great to see, you know. But every every
Speaker 3: every project and every every homeowner is different in terms
Speaker 3: of their take on how they look after things. But
Speaker 3: it's it should be reasonably straightforward process and some of
Speaker 3: the some of the performances coming out of these external
Speaker 3: planning systems as incredible and it was pleasing yesterday Pete
Speaker 3: to be sitting in this is in the suite of
Speaker 3: Building Surveyor's conference and thinking about how we can look
Speaker 3: at some of the things that even though the internal
Speaker 3: environment we have an impact on that. There was some
Speaker 3: really good discussions yesterday with that first session. We were
Speaker 3: around ventilation systems, you know, trying to take some of
Speaker 3: that that heat out of the building or transfer ear
Speaker 3: through the building so you have a fresh air flow
Speaker 3: and it just reduces energy costs. It was incredible. We
Speaker 3: keep loading them, I think the general take on that discussion.
Speaker 3: We keep loading up insulation into buildings, but we're not
Speaker 3: actually managing it. That well, and it seems to be.
Speaker 3: And they were saying that we don't know what the
Speaker 3: benefit in terms of the resale value of properties that
Speaker 3: have got this passive house type construction methodology because the
Speaker 3: people don't sell them, they love them.
Speaker 6: So it was a really good point by Joe yesterday. Yeah,
Speaker 6: really insightful.
Speaker 3: So there's some exciting stuff to be combined with, not
Speaker 3: just the cloudings, but in terms of the general built environment,
Speaker 3: there's some exciting stuff happening and getting yeah, absolutely and
Speaker 3: getting that to the general consumer to ask these questions.
Speaker 6: Someone text me to say, Hey, make sure you wish
Speaker 6: Mike good luck for the golf today. I understand your
Speaker 6: tea time as tea off time is not too far away,
Speaker 6: so appreciate you taking the time before you jump onto
Speaker 6: the course. Good luck with the game today and and
Speaker 6: good catching up with you yesterday. Thanks all of this,
Speaker 6: All of this, boy, have a look actually at their
Speaker 6: stuff online because there's the technical stuff and the you know,
Speaker 6: the beautiful stuff effectively. So Razineconstruction dot co dot m
Speaker 6: Z and Mike was at the conference yesterday and there
Speaker 6: was a panel discussion at the beginning, particularly focused on
Speaker 6: H one changes and sort of three experts in the
Speaker 6: field talking about what they think the government is likely
Speaker 6: to do. Given that the consultation period for changes to
Speaker 6: H one of the Building Clothes Building Code has now
Speaker 6: closed and the government have come in saying we're going
Speaker 6: to make some changes, et cetera. Are going to have
Speaker 6: to announce what those changes are going to be. I
Speaker 6: would be very, very very surprised if they decided to
Speaker 6: wind back the requirements for H one. In fact, i'd
Speaker 6: think that's a retrograde step. But they will need to
Speaker 6: make some changes. Everyone's picking that potentially the schedule method
Speaker 6: will be the one thing that gets ditched, so it'll
Speaker 6: be calculation and modeling for most buildings going into the future.
Speaker 6: We can talk about that as well. But again, Mike
Speaker 6: Col's from Razine Construction, and part of that conversation was
Speaker 6: prompted simply by the fact that I was in Christchurch
Speaker 6: on Wednesday. I drove around the inner city. I was
Speaker 6: looking at some of the sort of medium scale residential
Speaker 6: developments and was struck one by the fact I think
Speaker 6: they've done a really good job, Like the buildings are attractive, appealing,
Speaker 6: but they also performed particularly well, and I noticed that
Speaker 6: a lot of them are using renders as an exterior cladding.
Speaker 6: Right HEO, We're going to take short break. Would like
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Speaker 6: so if you've got a question, oh, eight hundred eighty
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Speaker 6: We have time for a few calls before the news
Speaker 6: top of the hour at eight o'clock, so I call
Speaker 6: us right now, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Text,
Speaker 6: what causes cloudy areas inside double glazed windows that are
Speaker 6: only twelve months old? Can you recommend the glass specialist?
Speaker 6: I think the fact that the glazing this is double glazed,
Speaker 6: and I presume when you say it's cloudy, that's between
Speaker 6: the two layers of glass, right is I would be
Speaker 6: finding out who the manufacturer of the DG units, the
Speaker 6: double glazed units is and going directly back to them,
Speaker 6: because essentially it's a failure of the seal between the
Speaker 6: two panels, which is allowing some air and moisture inside,
Speaker 6: and then if you're seeing cloudiness or it might actually
Speaker 6: be condensation inside there, it's a failure of the DJ unit.
Speaker 6: From my experience, and I do quite a lot of
Speaker 6: work with metro performance glass. It's rare, but look, it
Speaker 6: does happen, and if it's twelve months old, i'd simply
Speaker 6: go back to the person that installed it. You should
Speaker 6: be able to track that back through invoices and so on.
Speaker 6: Quite a number of texts about water. This is a
Speaker 6: good one here in attacking any Sorry Taranaki, not takeing
Speaker 6: any it's just down the road in Taranaki, we're experiencing
Speaker 6: a drought and relying on tank water. So half a
Speaker 6: bucket of water between the instant gas hot water system
Speaker 6: and before it starts flowing warm or hot. That water
Speaker 6: is used to wash hands, water plants, top up the
Speaker 6: toilet system. Water collected while having a fast shower goes
Speaker 6: into the system and it's or it's saved for the
Speaker 6: floor or outside window washing and so on hand washing clothes.
Speaker 6: I found myself wishing I had an old agitator washing
Speaker 6: machine for the control I had over the water used well.
Speaker 6: I would imagine that a modern one is you know,
Speaker 6: users probably less water than the old agitator, remember those
Speaker 6: with the ringer on the top, and there was always
Speaker 6: that risk as you're trying to push the clothing. We
Speaker 6: had one when I was a kid at home, agitator
Speaker 6: washing machine with the ringer on the top. So you'd
Speaker 6: finished the washing, take the clothes ringing wet out and
Speaker 6: then pop them through that and man, if you didn't
Speaker 6: let go in time, your fingers were into the rollers.
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Speaker 6: Great text from Charlie. What's exterior renders? I think when
Speaker 6: my talking about it, essentially we're talking about coatings that
Speaker 6: are applied to the exterior of a building, so often
Speaker 6: over a substrate that might be masonry, might be lightweight concrete,
Speaker 6: might be polystyrene, might be five or cement sheet, so
Speaker 6: a coating, and then typically that's then waterproofed with a
Speaker 6: paint coating over the top, in the same way that
Speaker 6: you might do interior renders, which is a semtitious material
Speaker 6: applied to the wall, but it has to perform or
Speaker 6: doesn't have the same requirements as exterior render. Hopefully that
Speaker 6: makes that a little bit clearer. Right, we've got new
Speaker 6: sport and we're the top of the hour. Remember Red
Speaker 6: client passed from eight thirty this morning here at Newstalks
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Speaker 1: Twys god was but maybe call Pete first, feed you
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Speaker 6: Morning, welcome back to the program. It is coming up
Speaker 6: seven minutes after eight. Remember at eight thirty, the Red
Speaker 6: Climb pass will join us. We'll jump into the garden
Speaker 6: with Red from eight thirty. We'll take your calls. We've
Speaker 6: got a bunch of calls lined up. I just want
Speaker 6: to make it's funny how the show we often sort
Speaker 6: of develop a theme. I have no idea what that's
Speaker 6: going to be when I come in here at six
Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning. A lot of talk about water today,
Speaker 6: in terms of water conservation. I guess water leaks, because
Speaker 6: we talked a little bit about that water In terms
Speaker 6: of exterior cladding and ensuring buildings are weather tight. The
Speaker 6: other thing that I encountered this week was increasingly we're
Speaker 6: needing to do water tanks for either storage or stormwater management.
Speaker 5: I e.
Speaker 6: The water from your roof goes into a tank and
Speaker 6: then it disperses into the council stormwater line through a
Speaker 6: smaller orifice in the tank, which means that not all
Speaker 6: of the water that you collect goes out into the
Speaker 6: public line and overwhelms the line during heavy rain. And
Speaker 6: this is quite common now. So someone I know is
Speaker 6: doing a workshop. They wanted to put a water tank
Speaker 6: in the space between edge of the workshop and the boundary,
Speaker 6: and the council came back and said, no, you can't
Speaker 6: put a water tank there. Why not, Well because of fire. Okay,
Speaker 6: so just let that sit sit with you just for
Speaker 6: a second. You can't put something full of water in
Speaker 6: the space between a building and the boundary because they're
Speaker 6: worried about fire. And that was the general response from
Speaker 6: the council. So I rang a guy, David, who is
Speaker 6: at Bailey Water Tanks and said have you heard about this?
Speaker 6: And then there is and he said, yeah, this came up,
Speaker 6: but there's been a determination from inby that this is
Speaker 6: obviously nonsense. Right, So you can put a water tank
Speaker 6: there and it can be either a plastic or a
Speaker 6: metal tank. But it got me one, there's just such
Speaker 6: an absurdity around a council officer saying you can't put
Speaker 6: a water tank there because we're worried about fire. But
Speaker 6: also it got me into sort of the rabbit hole
Speaker 6: of reading determinations from Inby about building disputes. It's quite fascinating.
Speaker 6: So just quickly, if let's say you're involved with a
Speaker 6: building pro reject and it's got a consent and there
Speaker 6: is a disagreement around, you know, if your designer has
Speaker 6: said this is going to work and council have said no,
Speaker 6: we don't think it's going to work, or an individual inspectors,
Speaker 6: you can go for a determination. Right If you can't
Speaker 6: reach an agreement with discussion, you can go back to
Speaker 6: Inby and get a determination. And all of those determinations
Speaker 6: are available to read. So I read the one about
Speaker 6: the water tanks, and then I started reading determinations on
Speaker 6: tile showers and a whole lot of other things. I
Speaker 6: thought it was quite interesting. But the water tank one, jeers,
Speaker 6: we had a bit of a chuckle. We might we
Speaker 6: might get some expert opinion on that. But yeah, not
Speaker 6: putting a water tank in because of fire hard to imagine,
Speaker 6: isn't it. Right, Let's rip into it Tom Good morning,
Speaker 6: Good morning.
Speaker 2: Sir hold On. I've been listening to you often enough.
Speaker 2: But building has changed since learning it at certain tech
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifties. Yeah, because we did little buildings in
Speaker 2: those classrooms, little buildings. Yeah, when I built my house
Speaker 2: here sixty three years ago, they wanted them to keep
Speaker 2: bait feet off the boundary and that was for the
Speaker 2: fire truck to go down.
Speaker 6: To get down.
Speaker 2: Yep, that's what they said there. So I was wondering
Speaker 2: if that person who said fire wasn't entirely stupid.
Speaker 6: No. No, it's in terms of access to properties. Like
Speaker 6: if you're doing a development, you've taken off a house
Speaker 6: and you're putting a couple on, there are rules, planning
Speaker 6: rules around the width of the driveways and that sort
Speaker 6: of thing to get access. There's also rules around that
Speaker 6: if you've got a multi story building, even a three
Speaker 6: story residential building, what the route is from the furthest
Speaker 6: destination of the habitable space to the exit. So, if
Speaker 6: I think off from the top of my head, if
Speaker 6: it's something like seventy six meters, which is the length
Speaker 6: of a fire hose, then you don't need to have
Speaker 6: internal sprinklers. If it's more than that you might need to.
Speaker 6: So look, there's still regulations around fire and there should
Speaker 6: be right What I was what flabbergasted me, is this
Speaker 6: made of mine goes. I said, I wanted to put
Speaker 6: a plastic tank, which is absolutely fine in that space,
Speaker 6: and they said you can't do it, and the concern
Speaker 6: was fire and you just go.
Speaker 10: Right now? So what I rung up?
Speaker 3: Go?
Speaker 2: I have a tenth roof and right now I can't
Speaker 2: remember what you call them.
Speaker 6: Like corrgo dion or long.
Speaker 2: Run or no no no no no space put under
Speaker 2: a skillion roof skill and that's yeah, eighty five. You
Speaker 2: lose words. Now it's jibboard underneath that I'm looking at
Speaker 2: now Oregon beans and only two inches above that, I've
Speaker 2: got cisolation, yes, where the iron is there by the way,
Speaker 2: I haven't replaced the iron yet, and I'm going the
Speaker 2: way behind now. I was considering the fact that this
Speaker 2: fridge here has got only about one in one ince
Speaker 2: can I using this one in sinsulation polystyrene And you
Speaker 2: can't feel the temperature on our side except we're hitting
Speaker 2: and the hot water cylinders. Billy Muddin, it's polystyonne insulator too,
Speaker 2: and it's perfectly cold on the outside. I'm wondering why
Speaker 2: you need so many inches They keep saying add inches
Speaker 2: into when they're talking about six or eight inches in
Speaker 2: some buildings. So where are we on that right?
Speaker 5: Look?
Speaker 6: I mean, there are different insulating products out there, and
Speaker 6: some of them don't need the space of some of
Speaker 6: the you know, conventionally we're talking about insulation, which is
Speaker 6: a fiber or a wool or a polyester, and that
Speaker 6: relies on a certain depth in order to achieve an
Speaker 6: OUR value. There are other insulation products that a more dense,
Speaker 6: like the foam based or the polyurethane ones, which will
Speaker 6: achieve a similar R value, but they don't need as
Speaker 6: much space, so they might need three or four inches
Speaker 6: to achieve R let's say three, where another product will
Speaker 6: need six inches to achieve R three point two. And
Speaker 6: you know these are just rough figures, so you're right,
Speaker 6: one inch, yeah, I know, But the R value on
Speaker 6: the freezer when you look at it won't be that high.
Speaker 6: And also because it's a completely sealed unit and it's
Speaker 6: metal and so on, there'll be a whole lot of
Speaker 6: other factors involved that the basic principle is right. So
Speaker 6: if you've got not much space, then you might use
Speaker 6: a different type of insulation to achieve the R value.
Speaker 6: I would imagine in your roof as it is at
Speaker 6: the moment, with a scillion roof with some if it's
Speaker 6: got aluminium foil as an insulator, you know, it's probably
Speaker 6: only achieving be less than R one. Ideally. Well, the
Speaker 6: code with the schedule method, which hopefully is going to
Speaker 6: get ditch, would require you to have six point six
Speaker 6: if you didn't do some calculation or some model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous, isn't it.
Speaker 6: If you were going to replace the roofing, you know,
Speaker 6: you could look at adding some insulation if you really
Speaker 6: wanted to make it, you know, lots of insulation. You
Speaker 6: could increase the depth of the rafters, repitch the roof
Speaker 6: and get more insulation, and you could lower the ceiling
Speaker 6: and get more insulation in that.
Speaker 2: Than you a little bit of and then but I
Speaker 2: insist on the isolation ye commercial buildings long long ago.
Speaker 6: If it works for you, Tom, it works for you,
Speaker 6: And that's that's lovely. And I really enjoyed the conversation.
Speaker 6: We're pretty busy, so I'm going to move on Serena,
Speaker 6: Good morning to you.
Speaker 9: Hello Serena, Yes, good morning, Good morning morning.
Speaker 15: I've just had a new side boundary fence built and
Speaker 15: I left it to the next door neighbors to do
Speaker 15: the quotes and all that. And when they've built it,
Speaker 15: they've actually moved it over to their side by twelve
Speaker 15: to fifteen inches, so I've got more property. But I
Speaker 15: don't want that because it's all in gardens and I
Speaker 15: know that I'm not happy about that. But he said,
Speaker 15: we've done it on the boundary peg that he said
Speaker 15: originally there was no boundary peg, so I don't know whether.
Speaker 6: But in the absence of a boundary peg, how do
Speaker 6: you know where the boundary is?
Speaker 15: That's right, I said to him, riding your mark where
Speaker 15: the original posts where and put them next door. If
Speaker 15: it wasn't in the same hole, he says, well, it
Speaker 15: wouldn't have been straight otherwise. The house is forty nine
Speaker 15: years old, and he said it was never built straight
Speaker 15: right from the start. I said, yes, it was because
Speaker 15: I haven't got a husband. Now he passed away, so
Speaker 15: I haven't got a mien to a cut from the south.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, the fact that the neighbor
Speaker 6: has potentially put the fence onto their property and that's
Speaker 6: given you a bit of space. I know that there's
Speaker 6: a hassle in terms of well, I mean, you could
Speaker 6: say to the neighbor, look, the boundary is actually here.
Speaker 6: It's fifteen inches inside where your fences. That becomes your
Speaker 6: area to maintain. That's probably not a conversation that's going
Speaker 6: to go well. The other thing is that I you know,
Speaker 6: ideally in these situations, if you're replacing a boundary fence,
Speaker 6: you should really have the boundary determined, ideally by a surveyor,
Speaker 6: so in the absence of any pegs or markings, then
Speaker 6: you would get a surveyor in and then typically you
Speaker 6: try and line the fence up with the boundary, either
Speaker 6: straddling it or one of your agrees on which side.
Speaker 6: But the fact that they've chosen to do it inside you,
Speaker 6: have they asked for a contribution from you?
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.
Speaker 15: We were doing habs, but I haven't paid anything. He
Speaker 15: hasn't asked me to anything or signed anything.
Speaker 6: Unless they've done it in accordance with the Fencing Act,
Speaker 6: you may not necessarily need to pay. You may choose
Speaker 6: to pay, which is up to you. Maybe you're just
Speaker 6: going to take advantage of the fact that they've done
Speaker 6: a new fence. You haven't paid for it. You've got
Speaker 6: a little bit more space, and yes, it's a bit
Speaker 6: of work, but that might be I suppose that the
Speaker 6: thing would be is if you ever go to sell
Speaker 6: in the future, that you would want to make it
Speaker 6: absolutely clear to a potential purchaser that while that looks
Speaker 6: like that's part of my property, it's not. And the
Speaker 6: boundary might actually boundary fence might be in the wrong place.
Speaker 6: But otherwise it's yeah, it's a bit more work for you,
Speaker 6: but it might actually be a bit of an advantage,
Speaker 6: or you could see it that way. Good luck, Serena.
Speaker 6: It is eighteen minutes after eight. We are going to
Speaker 6: take short break. We'll be back with Graham straight after the.
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Speaker 6: Some festinating texts coming on my comments about the water
Speaker 6: tank and the proximity to the boundary and the fact
Speaker 6: that this person had been was told that it couldn't
Speaker 6: be located between a building which was a meter from
Speaker 6: the boundary and the boundary this was for stormwater management
Speaker 6: and potentially for reuse because of fire. I mean, I
Speaker 6: get that there are rules around where you can play
Speaker 6: certain types of structures. A couple of people of text
Speaker 6: through that. You know, a plastic tank close to the
Speaker 6: boundary was classed as a building. The determination from MBY
Speaker 6: has said, you know, it's clearly not building, and also
Speaker 6: it's risk in terms of fire is very small. Some
Speaker 6: people have said, oh, look I've seen a tank that
Speaker 6: got struck by lightning and sort of exploded. Well, that'll
Speaker 6: happen in an incredibly rare chance. But in terms of
Speaker 6: you know, is it going to burn, well, No, it's
Speaker 6: full of water hopefully until it's dry. Even then it
Speaker 6: ain't going to burn very well. Twenty two minutes after
Speaker 6: eight and A Graham Good morning.
Speaker 10: Oh, good morning, Pete. Just a question.
Speaker 13: We're having some home alterations done. Architectorn plans, consent is
Speaker 13: all approved. I've gone out to three LBPS, and I
Speaker 13: just want to know how to read the quotes, whether
Speaker 13: a quote or is the same as an estimate, and
Speaker 13: watch my guarantee. They might say it's going to take
Speaker 13: two thousand hours, but it might end up both to
Speaker 13: twy two hundred what guarantee or who should I go
Speaker 13: to for advice on how to read these?
Speaker 6: Well, if you were sitting at the workshop that I
Speaker 6: was at yesterday listening to the Quantity Serve, the Quantity
Speaker 6: Survey would probably say you should come to me for
Speaker 6: that sort of advice. Right, this is their specialty. So
Speaker 6: you know, you've got a set of plans, you've got
Speaker 6: a scope of works, so you can say this is
Speaker 6: what I want you to do. Within that, you could
Speaker 6: list all of the things that you want them to price. So,
Speaker 6: for example, will you manage your subcontractors in terms of
Speaker 6: electrical or plumbing and painting and those sorts of things,
Speaker 6: or do you want the main contractor to provide pricing
Speaker 6: for all of those elements. So you'd want to be
Speaker 6: very clear around the scope of the work, the number
Speaker 6: of contractors subcontractors that the main contractor will employ. And
Speaker 6: then yes, if let's say it's a job of several months,
Speaker 6: are you asking the main contractor to provide you with
Speaker 6: a fixed quote for labor or are you happy to
Speaker 6: do that on a charge up basis? Right, so a
Speaker 6: cost plus basis on the basis that you agree to
Speaker 6: a certain number of hours, right, so you're protecting yourself,
Speaker 6: and yet it gives some flexibility to the contractor, particularly
Speaker 6: with renovations right where you know, maybe they'll uncover something
Speaker 6: that they're not expecting, or perhaps they lift the floor
Speaker 6: and discover that the joys are in poor condition and
Speaker 6: they need to be replaced. Now, if they've done a
Speaker 6: fixed price contract, they would need to come back to
Speaker 6: you and say this is a variation. You need to
Speaker 6: agree to the variation, they need to price it and
Speaker 6: then the work can continue. Or if it's a charge
Speaker 6: up basis, then you could say the contractor could say,
Speaker 6: I think it's going to take three men six months
Speaker 6: to do the job, and if you're still got guys
Speaker 6: on site in seven months, you could be saying why
Speaker 6: is it taking so long? If they happen to finish
Speaker 6: in five months, do you get a discount? You know
Speaker 6: you're not paying for them. But it then raises issues
Speaker 6: about you know, when do they arrive on site, how
Speaker 6: long do they have for lunch? When did they leave?
Speaker 6: Are the same number of guys on site every day?
Speaker 6: These things tend to get a bit complicated. So the
Speaker 6: other person who might be able to advise you on
Speaker 6: this is. Some architects will do supervision of the project.
Speaker 6: They often do that for a fee, but at least
Speaker 6: you'll get a professional sort of opinion as to how
Speaker 6: long it should take. In some cases the architects will
Speaker 6: approve the invoices, right, but there will again, I know
Speaker 6: architects who do this, but typically it's a fee of
Speaker 6: you know, somewhere between seven and ten percent of the
Speaker 6: build cost. Yeah, exactly. There is not actually one answer
Speaker 6: to your question. That's why I'm not being vague. I'm
Speaker 6: just saying there are so many ways of doing that.
Speaker 6: I've got friends who are doing a renovation. At the
Speaker 6: moment they've contracted builder. The builder is effectively on a
Speaker 6: charge up basis, but has given them an idea of
Speaker 6: how long they think it should take. So I guess,
Speaker 6: you know, if it's and when I had Cruise working,
Speaker 6: I would do it. I would often do my renovations
Speaker 6: on exactly that basis. I've worked out a schedule. I
Speaker 6: think that it's going to take four of us this
Speaker 6: long to do the job, and you know, hopefully the
Speaker 6: person is honest and realistic. They're not saying they'll do
Speaker 6: it in three months, knowing that it's a four months job,
Speaker 6: and you end up paying a lot of extra labor.
Speaker 6: You could manage the subcontractors, but then you become responsible
Speaker 6: for any delays. Right if you're managing the plumber, for example,
Speaker 6: because you know someone who's a plumber and they don't
Speaker 6: turn up then and the builders ready to line the wall,
Speaker 6: but the plumber hasn't turned up on time, then the
Speaker 6: builder is going to come back to you and go, well,
Speaker 6: my guys are sitting here waiting for someone that you
Speaker 6: should have organized. They're not here. We're charging you for
Speaker 6: this time, but we're not doing anything. You know, there's
Speaker 6: just not a straight answer.
Speaker 16: No exactly no, And I'm not trying to be difficult,
Speaker 16: it's just it does get complicated, particularly you know, if
Speaker 16: it's a you're doing a deck, right, deck is two
Speaker 16: weeks work for an average deck.
Speaker 6: You can kind of ring fence that. But you know,
Speaker 6: we're knocking off a part of the building, we're going
Speaker 6: to add on, We're going to make some small changes
Speaker 6: to other parts of the house. It might the access
Speaker 6: might be difficult. All of these things come into play
Speaker 6: in terms of pricing a job.
Speaker 13: And I think also The other thing that I would
Speaker 13: probably believe is that it's whatever the quoted figure is,
Speaker 13: it's going to be more than that, and.
Speaker 6: I think it's wise to have a contingency.
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, Well, a quantity We did get a quantity
Speaker 10: survey of price before we put it out to tender
Speaker 10: to three daughters, and they're coming in. But you know,
Speaker 10: the two that we've got already at different prices and
Speaker 10: this one more to come. So yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 9: Given that you've.
Speaker 6: Already engaged with the quantity surveyor who is obviously familiar
Speaker 6: with the plans, I think it's possibly good money to
Speaker 6: spend to pay the fee for the quantity surveyor to
Speaker 6: assess the quotes. Right, they'll be able to go through
Speaker 6: and go yep. All of these things are included. And
Speaker 6: it was part of the discussion yesterday is you know
Speaker 6: where what you don't want to see when you're a client,
Speaker 6: as someone gives you a quote, but there's lots of
Speaker 6: PC sums in there, or there's lots of you know,
Speaker 6: provisional sums in there for something that everyone knows what
Speaker 6: has to be done. Most things should be able to
Speaker 6: be priced accurately and a QS will be able to tell.
Speaker 10: You that much appreciated. Pete.
Speaker 6: Lovely to chat with you, and good luck with the build,
Speaker 6: and I hope it goes well, because when they go well,
Speaker 6: they're great. All the very best, you take care, all
Speaker 6: the fantastic conversation. Actually with this, you know, it seems
Speaker 6: like a relatively simple question, but it's not. It gets
Speaker 6: really complicated right out. We're going to jump into the
Speaker 6: garden red kline passed coming up straight after the break.
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