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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Resident Builder podcast with Peter wolf

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Speaker 1: Camp from News Talks at B. Whether you're painting the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: The Resident Builder on us talks.

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Speaker 4: A house sizzle, even when it's dark, even when the

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Speaker 5: When you're sitting at the table trying not to stop.

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Speaker 6: Well, a very very good morning and welcome a lot

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Speaker 6: to the Resident Builder on Sunday. That's with me, Pete

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Speaker 6: wolf Camp, the Resident Builder, and this is an opportunity

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Speaker 6: to talk about all things building and construction, whether it's

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Speaker 6: the rules, the regulations, the actual getting down amongst it

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Speaker 6: and doing the work. Anything that you have any concerns

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Speaker 6: about or any questions about building and construction, we can

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Speaker 6: talk about it. Feels like it's been a bit of

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Speaker 6: was at the New Zealand Institute of Building Surveys training

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Speaker 6: day yesterday, so kind of as part of their continued

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Speaker 6: professional development. Members are invited to come along to a

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Speaker 6: day's workshop with a number of different speakers, and actually

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Speaker 6: of the New Zealand Construction Industry Council. And that was

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Speaker 6: just the morning. I've been talking about building all day

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Speaker 6: yesterday as well, but looking forward to talking with you

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Speaker 6: about building and construction and about your projects whether it's well.

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Speaker 6: Sometimes it goes well and other times it doesn't. So

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Speaker 6: if it's going well, that's great, we can talk about that,

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Speaker 6: we can talk about improving and refining your project, and

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Speaker 6: if it's not going particularly well or we can certainly

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Speaker 6: talk about that Today on the show as well, We're

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Speaker 6: going to have a bit of a catch up with

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Speaker 6: at eight thirty, as always we're into the garden with

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Speaker 6: from that, the floor is yours. Basically, this is your

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Speaker 6: so it's everything from foundations, through structures, through to roofs,

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Speaker 6: the restraints that are there. In fact, it was kind

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Speaker 6: So for a long long time, under Schedule one of

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Speaker 6: And then in the discussion yesterday, actually Jeff Barrenson, who

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Speaker 6: been It was a good conference actually, And then I

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Speaker 6: TV's going I eight hundred eighty ten eighty. There's lots

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Speaker 6: an early. I eight hundred eighty ten eighty is the

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Speaker 6: number nine two ninety two for the texts and Pete

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Speaker 6: at newstalksb dot co dot nz is the email. A

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Speaker 6: very good morning, lovely to have you with us this morning,

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Speaker 6: and just quietly a little bit excited about being able

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Speaker 6: to watch some Formula one this afternoon as well. Right, Albert,

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Speaker 6: good morning to you.

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Speaker 5: Yes, good morning sir. I was just starting to listen

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Speaker 5: very general question. Sure, there was an article in a

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Speaker 5: was quite recommended as these shooture for New Zealand to go.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, I was vuldering about this.

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Speaker 6: Well perfect timing actually, Albert, because I mentioned I was

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Speaker 6: I think it's two to two to one High Street,

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Speaker 6: which is I think Lee's Construction are building a building there,

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Speaker 6: pinus radiator. It's it's obviously been processed and engineered to

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Speaker 6: seismic activity, timber is great there. It's really fast. And

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I have a little bit of a forestry background,

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think already one of New Zealand's great

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Speaker 6: Yeah. It In fact, there was an article about it

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Speaker 6: to another way about two years ago that Naylor Love,

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Speaker 6: it's really really good. And the fact that it's using

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Speaker 6: lots of it. Why aren't we using it?

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Speaker 5: No, thanks very much. Pleasure for nice of you to call.

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Speaker 6: All the best. Take care. One hundred and eighty ten

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Speaker 6: at the beginning of the oh, to the person who says,

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Speaker 6: is this an ad No, it's not.

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 6: This is you know, this type of building construction methodology

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Speaker 6: that's sort of in development at the moment is genuinely exciting, right,

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Speaker 6: This is really really good for the country. I think

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Speaker 6: it's a fantastic use of a resource that is readily

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Speaker 6: I think it's a massive leap forward in terms of

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Speaker 6: speed of construction. It's fantastic by all accounts. Working in

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Speaker 6: which is really interesting. So no, it's not mad, it's

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Speaker 6: just this is innovation, right, This is what a a

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Speaker 6: maybe one hundred meters of the Takaha Stadium, which i'd

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Speaker 6: i'd seen and read a little bit about, but never

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Speaker 6: It and the guys from Metro Glass did the digital

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Speaker 6: print on the effectively stained glass. It's not stained glass,

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Speaker 6: it's digital print on the front facade of it. So actually,

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Speaker 6: You and News talksp will come to a couple of

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Speaker 8: Jim get oo, Peter, thank you for answering my call.

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Speaker 8: Wondering what I could do. Was it worthwhile putting bats

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Speaker 6: And so you end up with this uninsulated area immediately

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Speaker 6: insulate that space. I've always thought that that's really short sighted, right,

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Speaker 6: if it's an accessible roof space, which it probably is.

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Speaker 6: Throwing some insulation in their properly, neatly will make a

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Speaker 8: Yeah, that was my next question.

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Speaker 10: Betty.

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Speaker 8: Hit the nail on the head what you've said so far.

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Speaker 8: But if the stone's not getting into the gearage much,

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Speaker 6: I think if it's accessible and you know, it's a

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Speaker 8: Yes, well see I've been in the garage a lot

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Speaker 8: More question, can I not too much a question? But

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Speaker 8: these days are always run the cold water through your roof,

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Speaker 6: But in the meantime, you've lost I don't know, a

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Speaker 6: But I see, yes, because you're getting warm water because

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Speaker 6: pool littles. Yes, yep, there you go, Peter, there's a

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Speaker 11: Judge, we're both.

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Speaker 6: Nice to talk, take care of all.

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Speaker 6: anything asbestos around the house. Look, it goes without saying.

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Speaker 6: And I wouldn't even try and sand or prep anything. Really,

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Speaker 6: with the polyurethanes, whether they're water borne or solvent born polyurethanes.

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Speaker 1: The break, helping you get those DIY projects done right.

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Speaker 1: The resident builder with petabolet cats call eight hundred eight

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Speaker 6: Right, Oh six thirty five here News Talks b. Pam

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Speaker 6: A very good morning.

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Speaker 12: Good morning to you. I have a covered concrete patio

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Speaker 12: I'm wondering what safety in mind, what would be the

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Speaker 6: Can I presume that the existing patio probably is down

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Speaker 12: I've got here eighteen centimeters.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so one hundred and eighty mil okay, yeah, And

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Speaker 6: those sorts of events there are, so certainly you can

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Speaker 6: or a set of French doors? Okay, so sliding door then,

432
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Speaker 6: and it's a covered patio, so you're not too worried

433
00:24:59,695 --> 00:25:02,895
Speaker 6: about the timber getting slippery if you did want to

434
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Speaker 6: go timber. The other thing is that composite decking materials,

435
00:25:07,655 --> 00:25:11,935
Speaker 6: and there's a range of those available. One of the

436
00:25:11,935 --> 00:25:14,415
Speaker 6: ones that I've used in the past, and I did

437
00:25:14,535 --> 00:25:16,135
Speaker 6: it's quite a few years ago now. I did one

438
00:25:16,215 --> 00:25:18,895
Speaker 6: job where I needed to build an extension to a

439
00:25:18,935 --> 00:25:22,455
Speaker 6: deck and then an accessible ramp right at a place

440
00:25:22,495 --> 00:25:28,215
Speaker 6: that had lots of people that needed accessibility provisions, and

441
00:25:28,495 --> 00:25:36,295
Speaker 6: I used a composite decking called Outdure. Yeah, so Outdure

442
00:25:37,455 --> 00:25:40,775
Speaker 6: Actually I used it again another project at the school

443
00:25:41,015 --> 00:25:43,055
Speaker 6: a couple of years ago. So one of the things

444
00:25:43,055 --> 00:25:46,735
Speaker 6: about that is they are able to calculate the slip

445
00:25:46,775 --> 00:25:50,615
Speaker 6: resistance coefficient, right, so you know that the surface of

446
00:25:50,655 --> 00:25:53,935
Speaker 6: the material will always give you a certain slip resistance.

447
00:25:54,255 --> 00:25:57,215
Speaker 6: You can use timber, whether that's a soft wood like

448
00:25:57,335 --> 00:26:00,695
Speaker 6: pine or a hardwood. You can use grip tread timber,

449
00:26:00,775 --> 00:26:03,615
Speaker 6: so you've got that grooved surface up if you want

450
00:26:03,655 --> 00:26:04,655
Speaker 6: that slip resistance.

451
00:26:07,215 --> 00:26:08,135
Speaker 3: Yeah, look to.

452
00:26:08,135 --> 00:26:11,495
Speaker 6: Be fair in that situation, either timber or a composite

453
00:26:11,495 --> 00:26:14,855
Speaker 6: will be okay. If it was an area that's going

454
00:26:14,895 --> 00:26:17,935
Speaker 6: to be weathered quite a bit, then a composite just

455
00:26:18,015 --> 00:26:22,735
Speaker 6: in terms of safety might actually have some advantages. And

456
00:26:22,815 --> 00:26:23,575
Speaker 6: the other thing that.

457
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Speaker 12: I'm looking for safety because I have had of fair falls.

458
00:26:27,175 --> 00:26:31,975
Speaker 6: Yeah, then then you know, maybe the composite is actually

459
00:26:32,015 --> 00:26:34,175
Speaker 6: going to be a better solution for you. The other

460
00:26:34,255 --> 00:26:37,135
Speaker 6: thing is that increasingly there's a number of firms out

461
00:26:37,135 --> 00:26:42,895
Speaker 6: there who are doing essentially they'll make the frame out

462
00:26:42,935 --> 00:26:46,775
Speaker 6: of aluminium, so it's and it's prefabricated, can either be

463
00:26:46,855 --> 00:26:50,135
Speaker 6: delivered to site as components or delivered to site as

464
00:26:50,175 --> 00:26:53,375
Speaker 6: sort of like a Kitset pack, and then the decking

465
00:26:53,455 --> 00:26:56,615
Speaker 6: is fixed straight down onto the top of it. And

466
00:26:56,695 --> 00:26:59,695
Speaker 6: the advantage to that is that you end up with

467
00:26:59,815 --> 00:27:02,095
Speaker 6: you know, you can use aluminium, which means that you

468
00:27:02,175 --> 00:27:05,495
Speaker 6: get longer spans and not as much depth, which if

469
00:27:05,535 --> 00:27:07,655
Speaker 6: you've only got on a hundred eighty millimeters to work with,

470
00:27:07,735 --> 00:27:11,375
Speaker 6: that's an advantage and typically they'll come You can use

471
00:27:11,455 --> 00:27:16,895
Speaker 6: adjustable pads jacks that you can sit onto the patio.

472
00:27:17,015 --> 00:27:20,335
Speaker 6: So I think once you start talking with your contractors,

473
00:27:20,815 --> 00:27:23,975
Speaker 6: ask them about the whether to use a composite and

474
00:27:24,015 --> 00:27:27,255
Speaker 6: whether or not to use an aluminium deck. It is

475
00:27:27,415 --> 00:27:30,575
Speaker 6: more pricey, but it will make for a faster job

476
00:27:30,735 --> 00:27:33,295
Speaker 6: and there are some benefits in terms of working with

477
00:27:33,375 --> 00:27:37,255
Speaker 6: that height. At that height, you could also just fix down.

478
00:27:37,375 --> 00:27:40,295
Speaker 6: You'd want to ensure. The only thing to look for

479
00:27:40,575 --> 00:27:43,295
Speaker 6: in terms of fixing timber down is you don't want

480
00:27:43,335 --> 00:27:46,815
Speaker 6: to fix large plates of timber down onto the patio

481
00:27:47,495 --> 00:27:50,175
Speaker 6: and stop the water being able to track away. So

482
00:27:50,255 --> 00:27:52,575
Speaker 6: I presume the patio's got fall on it now, so

483
00:27:52,615 --> 00:27:56,055
Speaker 6: the water drains away. Whatever you do for your fixings,

484
00:27:56,095 --> 00:27:58,295
Speaker 6: you want to make sure that that water continues to

485
00:27:58,375 --> 00:27:58,935
Speaker 6: drain away.

486
00:28:00,175 --> 00:28:03,495
Speaker 12: Oh okay, thank you doing match, No trouble at all.

487
00:28:04,135 --> 00:28:06,575
Speaker 6: And look, I can imagine that when the jobst it

488
00:28:06,615 --> 00:28:11,215
Speaker 6: will make a significant difference to being comfortably inside and

489
00:28:11,215 --> 00:28:14,215
Speaker 6: out is a there is really very much level entry.

490
00:28:14,495 --> 00:28:17,935
Speaker 6: All the best, Thank you, great, thank you, pleasure, take

491
00:28:17,975 --> 00:28:21,055
Speaker 6: care and murray a very good morning to you.

492
00:28:22,015 --> 00:28:25,655
Speaker 9: Yeah, good morning, Peter, You got me go for it.

493
00:28:27,375 --> 00:28:31,855
Speaker 9: My question is regarding Matti floor in the versus engineered flooring.

494
00:28:32,815 --> 00:28:33,415
Speaker 10: Yeah, I've done it.

495
00:28:33,535 --> 00:28:35,775
Speaker 9: I've done I've done an alteration, and I'm doing another

496
00:28:35,775 --> 00:28:39,455
Speaker 9: addition to that that alteration. In the past one we

497
00:28:39,735 --> 00:28:42,895
Speaker 9: used Matti flooring because the house was about a nineteen

498
00:28:42,975 --> 00:28:47,735
Speaker 9: fifty nineteen sixty, yes, and the Matti floor after the

499
00:28:47,775 --> 00:28:50,815
Speaker 9: first in the first year started cupping. I ended up

500
00:28:50,855 --> 00:28:55,295
Speaker 9: with a with a cup that was glued and Secret

501
00:28:55,375 --> 00:28:59,975
Speaker 9: Nail went on to fly with floor based underneath. Oh yeah,

502
00:29:00,815 --> 00:29:02,775
Speaker 9: and on the on the next but I didn't really

503
00:29:02,775 --> 00:29:04,975
Speaker 9: want to end up with the cupping issue again. So

504
00:29:05,655 --> 00:29:08,575
Speaker 9: people are sugges to go into an engineered flooring, which

505
00:29:08,695 --> 00:29:13,415
Speaker 9: stops that apparently true, and I can't get an engineered

506
00:29:13,415 --> 00:29:16,095
Speaker 9: flooring with the mat I finished. So that was two

507
00:29:16,095 --> 00:29:20,895
Speaker 9: different types timbers on the system. And obviously I can't

508
00:29:20,935 --> 00:29:22,935
Speaker 9: see when I put the mat idea on it that

509
00:29:23,055 --> 00:29:25,215
Speaker 9: doesn't breathe because by the time it goes down with

510
00:29:25,295 --> 00:29:28,335
Speaker 9: a blue based and Secret Nail sort of corrects its

511
00:29:28,335 --> 00:29:32,495
Speaker 9: own little beach space down there. So I was really

512
00:29:32,575 --> 00:29:35,135
Speaker 9: unsure if you have had any thoughts on that there,

513
00:29:35,175 --> 00:29:37,295
Speaker 9: you can stop the cup and the orb whether it's

514
00:29:37,335 --> 00:29:40,615
Speaker 9: just something that you have to live with in regard

515
00:29:40,775 --> 00:29:42,855
Speaker 9: if you want to use an older style flooring on

516
00:29:42,935 --> 00:29:51,575
Speaker 9: a mod Yeah.

517
00:29:48,415 --> 00:29:50,895
Speaker 6: I'm actually I'm thinking about a project that we did

518
00:29:50,935 --> 00:29:57,055
Speaker 6: where you know, I had h Cowie floorboards throughout the house.

519
00:29:57,615 --> 00:30:00,415
Speaker 6: It was slightly more straightforward situation because the way that

520
00:30:00,495 --> 00:30:06,575
Speaker 6: the house had been renovated thirty five years ago, they'd

521
00:30:06,615 --> 00:30:10,175
Speaker 6: poured a concrete slab for the extension that was level

522
00:30:10,215 --> 00:30:12,175
Speaker 6: with the top of the carry flooring in the house.

523
00:30:12,775 --> 00:30:15,135
Speaker 6: So no matter what you did, you were always going

524
00:30:15,215 --> 00:30:16,935
Speaker 6: if you wanted to keep the carry flooring, you were

525
00:30:16,975 --> 00:30:19,095
Speaker 6: always going to have a step up, which I didn't want.

526
00:30:19,215 --> 00:30:21,335
Speaker 6: So it was kind of a no brainer for me.

527
00:30:21,495 --> 00:30:24,375
Speaker 6: I just laid I did actually use an engineered floor

528
00:30:24,415 --> 00:30:27,815
Speaker 6: or a laminate floor, and went over the top of

529
00:30:27,815 --> 00:30:30,135
Speaker 6: the old carry and straight over the top of the

530
00:30:30,415 --> 00:30:33,375
Speaker 6: concrete slab extension, and that allowed me to tie the

531
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Speaker 6: whole thing in together. In your situation, you've got original Mattie,

532
00:30:37,575 --> 00:30:40,335
Speaker 6: You've got Matti that was part of the extension. How

533
00:30:40,415 --> 00:30:43,815
Speaker 6: big an area is the extension to the extension going

534
00:30:43,815 --> 00:30:50,895
Speaker 6: to be? Oh couple a couple of hundred square meters? Crikey?

535
00:30:51,095 --> 00:30:57,095
Speaker 6: All right? And how big is the air the existing part?

536
00:31:00,895 --> 00:31:01,095
Speaker 3: Oh?

537
00:31:01,215 --> 00:31:02,055
Speaker 6: Okay, all right?

538
00:31:04,895 --> 00:31:08,615
Speaker 9: Well that I mean in that continuity through as might

539
00:31:08,695 --> 00:31:12,335
Speaker 9: be achieved. But look absolutely as I can do that.

540
00:31:13,295 --> 00:31:17,335
Speaker 6: So how bad is the cupping in the you know,

541
00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:20,455
Speaker 6: so essentially we got floor number one, original floor number two,

542
00:31:20,695 --> 00:31:23,015
Speaker 6: the addition floor number three is going to be what

543
00:31:23,055 --> 00:31:25,295
Speaker 6: you're you're going to do in the future. So the

544
00:31:25,415 --> 00:31:30,975
Speaker 6: cupping and floor number two is it significant now? Like could.

545
00:31:32,415 --> 00:31:32,615
Speaker 3: Yeah?

546
00:31:32,855 --> 00:31:34,935
Speaker 9: It settled back down again. So I went through the

547
00:31:34,975 --> 00:31:38,215
Speaker 9: first season and cuptain you would have gone, maybe cut

548
00:31:38,255 --> 00:31:41,615
Speaker 9: a couple of ny quite obvious and again split the

549
00:31:41,695 --> 00:31:46,095
Speaker 9: joints somewhere the okay over the top. So I've done that.

550
00:31:46,175 --> 00:31:50,615
Speaker 9: Then there's a settled down. Its shrunk fractionally, so you

551
00:31:50,735 --> 00:31:53,375
Speaker 9: still can see a slight line where the first wall

552
00:31:53,375 --> 00:31:56,775
Speaker 9: that went down it was just a real finished So yeah, sure,

553
00:31:57,335 --> 00:32:00,135
Speaker 9: I'm sure the timber was dry enough or whether it

554
00:32:00,175 --> 00:32:01,255
Speaker 9: was just the environment that.

555
00:32:01,415 --> 00:32:01,655
Speaker 10: Was in.

556
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:12,455
Speaker 6: I to be fair, it feels well unless you're prepared

557
00:32:12,455 --> 00:32:16,015
Speaker 6: to accept quite a significant difference in the appearance of

558
00:32:16,095 --> 00:32:19,455
Speaker 6: the building. So you know, in terms of this is existing,

559
00:32:19,535 --> 00:32:24,135
Speaker 6: this is new, and my floor changes, I think you'd

560
00:32:24,695 --> 00:32:26,695
Speaker 6: I think you're going to stick with. If I was

561
00:32:26,735 --> 00:32:30,295
Speaker 6: doing it, I would probably stick with Matti in the

562
00:32:30,495 --> 00:32:34,615
Speaker 6: hope that the floor number two settles down and I

563
00:32:34,655 --> 00:32:38,095
Speaker 6: don't have the cupping issues, and that if you're will

564
00:32:38,135 --> 00:32:42,255
Speaker 6: you be laying your new Matti floor number three over

565
00:32:42,295 --> 00:32:44,775
Speaker 6: the top of plywood is substrate again? Or will it

566
00:32:44,815 --> 00:32:46,175
Speaker 6: go over joists?

567
00:32:46,535 --> 00:32:48,815
Speaker 9: Now go a couple of flowered substrikes.

568
00:32:48,935 --> 00:32:52,735
Speaker 6: Okay, So then it's really about ensuring that the plight

569
00:32:52,855 --> 00:32:58,415
Speaker 6: that the Matti is. I wonder whether the Matti that

570
00:32:58,455 --> 00:33:01,415
Speaker 6: went down for floor number two was just had a

571
00:33:01,455 --> 00:33:03,415
Speaker 6: slightly higher moisture content.

572
00:33:03,095 --> 00:33:03,695
Speaker 3: That it should.

573
00:33:05,335 --> 00:33:09,055
Speaker 6: So if yeah, if you get the moisture content right

574
00:33:09,695 --> 00:33:12,655
Speaker 6: on floor number three, you shouldn't have the issues with

575
00:33:12,735 --> 00:33:17,735
Speaker 6: the cupping. And just just because of the I mean

576
00:33:17,855 --> 00:33:21,695
Speaker 6: we're talking significant areas, right, it just feels like a

577
00:33:21,735 --> 00:33:24,855
Speaker 6: waste to go over the top of one and two

578
00:33:25,735 --> 00:33:27,895
Speaker 6: in order to get a consistent feel.

579
00:33:29,015 --> 00:33:30,975
Speaker 9: I wouldn't do I wouldn't do that because the other

580
00:33:31,095 --> 00:33:35,175
Speaker 9: the house is actually so Yeah. I love the original

581
00:33:35,255 --> 00:33:40,295
Speaker 9: Matti as the never cut in. It's lovely, you know, yeah, yeah,

582
00:33:40,375 --> 00:33:43,015
Speaker 9: And they joined the new the new one on real

583
00:33:43,095 --> 00:33:45,015
Speaker 9: one and you can see the joints but have quite

584
00:33:45,055 --> 00:33:46,295
Speaker 9: looks quite looks quite nice.

585
00:33:46,655 --> 00:33:49,615
Speaker 6: See, Like, I don't mind that sort of thing with

586
00:33:50,295 --> 00:33:53,415
Speaker 6: In fact, even in my own house, you know, I'm

587
00:33:53,415 --> 00:33:56,255
Speaker 6: an old villa. We've got those carry floors at the

588
00:33:56,255 --> 00:33:58,335
Speaker 6: front of the house. When I added on at the back,

589
00:33:59,415 --> 00:34:01,895
Speaker 6: I ended up actually, as it happens, I ended up

590
00:34:01,935 --> 00:34:06,295
Speaker 6: buying the floor out of an old science classroom from

591
00:34:06,295 --> 00:34:10,095
Speaker 6: I'm a high school through a demolition guy that I knew,

592
00:34:10,335 --> 00:34:12,615
Speaker 6: with the intention that they would lift the floor and

593
00:34:12,655 --> 00:34:15,215
Speaker 6: I would then take the floor and relay it in

594
00:34:15,335 --> 00:34:18,895
Speaker 6: My extension. Didn't quite go as simply as that, but

595
00:34:18,935 --> 00:34:23,615
Speaker 6: I've still ended up with existing Cararie flooring. Then you

596
00:34:23,655 --> 00:34:26,135
Speaker 6: could see because I've just patched rather than taking the

597
00:34:26,135 --> 00:34:29,375
Speaker 6: boards out, i just patched where our bathroom used to

598
00:34:29,375 --> 00:34:30,735
Speaker 6: be at the end of the hallway, and there was

599
00:34:30,935 --> 00:34:33,295
Speaker 6: holes through for pipes for the bath and that sort

600
00:34:33,335 --> 00:34:35,895
Speaker 6: of thing. I've patched those and left them obvious. Then

601
00:34:35,935 --> 00:34:39,655
Speaker 6: I've got a transition into my new extent or not

602
00:34:39,695 --> 00:34:42,895
Speaker 6: so new extension, twenty five year old extension now, and

603
00:34:43,295 --> 00:34:45,015
Speaker 6: that just tells the story of the house. But there

604
00:34:45,095 --> 00:34:47,895
Speaker 6: is a consistency because I've used old Carrie at the

605
00:34:47,895 --> 00:34:50,015
Speaker 6: back and I've got my existing Carri at the front,

606
00:34:50,095 --> 00:34:51,855
Speaker 6: So I get where you're coming from. There, and the

607
00:34:51,895 --> 00:34:53,895
Speaker 6: fact that you've got a transition just tells a story

608
00:34:53,895 --> 00:34:55,095
Speaker 6: about the house, which is lovely.

609
00:34:56,095 --> 00:34:56,295
Speaker 10: Yeah.

610
00:34:56,415 --> 00:35:00,975
Speaker 9: Okay, so obviously no clear out it prob no.

611
00:35:01,055 --> 00:35:03,175
Speaker 6: I think in the end it comes down to preference.

612
00:35:04,415 --> 00:35:08,695
Speaker 6: You've worked through the options. I think, you know, if

613
00:35:09,015 --> 00:35:11,495
Speaker 6: they were smaller spaces, then possibly you'd look at doing

614
00:35:11,535 --> 00:35:13,895
Speaker 6: an overlay over the whole thing. But I think for

615
00:35:13,975 --> 00:35:16,615
Speaker 6: such large areas, it feels like you're going to have

616
00:35:16,655 --> 00:35:19,775
Speaker 6: to stick with the MATTEI, which isn't a bad choice. Yeah,

617
00:35:20,335 --> 00:35:27,455
Speaker 6: that's awesome, awesome, I enjoy the building. Oh wow, what

618
00:35:27,535 --> 00:35:29,815
Speaker 6: a build? Oh eight hundred and eighty. Now talking about

619
00:35:29,815 --> 00:35:35,055
Speaker 6: building and projects some time ago, and I'm sure I've

620
00:35:35,055 --> 00:35:37,575
Speaker 6: mentioned this occasionally, not too much, but every now and

621
00:35:37,575 --> 00:35:40,415
Speaker 6: then about a project that I did. Well, we did

622
00:35:40,455 --> 00:35:42,655
Speaker 6: my wife and I did a couple of years ago,

623
00:35:42,815 --> 00:35:46,575
Speaker 6: and it was a little cottage. We bought it, we've

624
00:35:46,655 --> 00:35:50,375
Speaker 6: renovated it. I put in kind of a lot of

625
00:35:50,415 --> 00:35:52,855
Speaker 6: the ideas that I've been thinking about over the last

626
00:35:52,855 --> 00:35:55,415
Speaker 6: ten or fifteen years ago, over the last ten or

627
00:35:55,455 --> 00:35:59,575
Speaker 6: fifteen years, so, you know, things around insulation, things around dampproofing,

628
00:35:59,655 --> 00:36:04,735
Speaker 6: things around better joiner all you know, better glazing, extraction, heating,

629
00:36:04,855 --> 00:36:07,775
Speaker 6: all of that, and while I was doing the project,

630
00:36:07,775 --> 00:36:09,975
Speaker 6: we did actually video some of it that's set around

631
00:36:10,215 --> 00:36:12,975
Speaker 6: in the drawer for a while. Those videos are now

632
00:36:13,015 --> 00:36:16,375
Speaker 6: going to go up live over the next couple of

633
00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:20,535
Speaker 6: weeks on my YouTube channel. So if you go to

634
00:36:20,575 --> 00:36:23,135
Speaker 6: the social media you'll find me there that'll take a

635
00:36:23,175 --> 00:36:25,495
Speaker 6: link through to the YouTube, or if you just go

636
00:36:25,535 --> 00:36:28,495
Speaker 6: to YouTube and have a look for Peter Wolfcamp, Resident Builder,

637
00:36:29,135 --> 00:36:31,895
Speaker 6: the videos will come up. There's the I've Been Thinking series,

638
00:36:31,895 --> 00:36:33,775
Speaker 6: which is already up, and then there'll be what I'm

639
00:36:33,815 --> 00:36:37,495
Speaker 6: calling my hosts project host being the Dutch word for

640
00:36:37,615 --> 00:36:43,295
Speaker 6: house hosts. Project videos will start this week, so if

641
00:36:43,335 --> 00:36:45,055
Speaker 6: you want to see what I've been up to, you

642
00:36:45,055 --> 00:36:47,535
Speaker 6: can check those out online, check them out on YouTube.

643
00:36:47,695 --> 00:36:51,775
Speaker 6: It is eleven minutes away from seven o'clock. We are

644
00:36:51,775 --> 00:36:53,175
Speaker 6: going to take short break. Then we're going to talk

645
00:36:53,175 --> 00:36:56,255
Speaker 6: to Pete. Not talking to myself, just talking to Pete

646
00:36:56,375 --> 00:36:59,215
Speaker 6: after the break measure God was.

647
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Speaker 1: But maybe call Pete first, Pete wolfcav the Resident Builder

648
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Speaker 1: News talk say'd be.

649
00:37:07,775 --> 00:37:10,375
Speaker 6: All quick text as well. Pete, I need to replace

650
00:37:10,415 --> 00:37:12,655
Speaker 6: the car port roof to match my house. The roof

651
00:37:12,815 --> 00:37:16,335
Speaker 6: is the current roof is unpainted galvanized iron. I've been

652
00:37:16,375 --> 00:37:21,055
Speaker 6: given two quotes. One states point four b am I iron.

653
00:37:21,135 --> 00:37:24,615
Speaker 6: The other is point five to five. First quote is cheaper,

654
00:37:26,095 --> 00:37:29,855
Speaker 6: probably because the materials are cheaper. It's slightly thinner, and

655
00:37:29,975 --> 00:37:32,455
Speaker 6: has been fully itemized with a breakdown of costs. The

656
00:37:32,495 --> 00:37:36,255
Speaker 6: second quote is eight hundred dollars dearer, but it hasn't

657
00:37:37,135 --> 00:37:39,495
Speaker 6: broken down all the costs. Which do you suggest I

658
00:37:39,535 --> 00:37:44,535
Speaker 6: go for? So I'm going to make an assumption that

659
00:37:44,575 --> 00:37:49,495
Speaker 6: the car port roof is probably relatively low pitch, and

660
00:37:49,615 --> 00:37:52,215
Speaker 6: then they tend to get walked on. And just for

661
00:37:52,295 --> 00:37:56,055
Speaker 6: that reason, point four is absolutely fine in terms of

662
00:37:56,135 --> 00:37:59,815
Speaker 6: roofing iron right, it complies et cetera, et cetera. I

663
00:37:59,975 --> 00:38:02,895
Speaker 6: tend to go forero point five to five just because

664
00:38:02,975 --> 00:38:05,575
Speaker 6: someone is likely to get up there and walk around,

665
00:38:05,575 --> 00:38:08,055
Speaker 6: and they may not where to walk properly, and if

666
00:38:08,095 --> 00:38:11,175
Speaker 6: they inadvertently stand in the wrong place, the point five

667
00:38:11,255 --> 00:38:13,535
Speaker 6: to five will give them a little bit more.

668
00:38:14,775 --> 00:38:15,175
Speaker 3: Strength.

669
00:38:15,375 --> 00:38:15,615
Speaker 9: Right.

670
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Speaker 6: So, for that reason alone, in terms of the difference

671
00:38:18,775 --> 00:38:21,935
Speaker 6: between the quotes, one that's fully detailed the other that's not,

672
00:38:22,175 --> 00:38:24,975
Speaker 6: is to go to the second one and just go

673
00:38:25,655 --> 00:38:28,415
Speaker 6: Does your price include and then you could list all

674
00:38:28,455 --> 00:38:31,415
Speaker 6: of the items specified in the first quote, just as

675
00:38:31,455 --> 00:38:35,815
Speaker 6: a way of checking that you know both quotes are

676
00:38:36,615 --> 00:38:38,695
Speaker 6: for the same thing, that you're not going to get

677
00:38:39,495 --> 00:38:42,735
Speaker 6: a quote that comes in seems competitive and then you

678
00:38:42,775 --> 00:38:45,015
Speaker 6: get slammed with a whole bunch of extras at the

679
00:38:45,095 --> 00:38:47,495
Speaker 6: end of it, which is actually that was in part

680
00:38:47,495 --> 00:38:51,535
Speaker 6: of the We had a quantity survey speak yesterday at

681
00:38:51,535 --> 00:38:55,495
Speaker 6: the conference as well or at the workshop around tendering

682
00:38:55,615 --> 00:38:59,255
Speaker 6: and procurement and pricing and so on, and this is

683
00:38:59,335 --> 00:39:04,535
Speaker 6: not an uncommon practice for contractors. They'll submit, you know,

684
00:39:04,575 --> 00:39:07,015
Speaker 6: if it's a competitive situation where a number of people

685
00:39:07,015 --> 00:39:11,015
Speaker 6: are pricing work, then they'll submit what seems like a

686
00:39:11,055 --> 00:39:15,095
Speaker 6: lower cost, and then suddenly there'll be extras, and then

687
00:39:15,135 --> 00:39:18,295
Speaker 6: you're constantly in the situation if you're the client of

688
00:39:18,455 --> 00:39:22,575
Speaker 6: having to deal with extras, whereas someone else might price

689
00:39:22,775 --> 00:39:27,335
Speaker 6: more comprehensively include some whole a lot of things that

690
00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:31,935
Speaker 6: are foreseeable, and then you know their price is the price,

691
00:39:32,015 --> 00:39:35,935
Speaker 6: rather than someone who prices deliberately leaving things out and

692
00:39:35,975 --> 00:39:37,775
Speaker 6: the hope that they can make it up on extras,

693
00:39:37,775 --> 00:39:41,255
Speaker 6: which I think is just a little bit dodgy. Isn't it. Oh,

694
00:39:41,295 --> 00:39:43,055
Speaker 6: eight hundred and eighty ten eighty is the number to

695
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Speaker 6: call five minutes away from seven pete.

696
00:39:45,415 --> 00:39:47,975
Speaker 7: Good morning, good morning, how are you?

697
00:39:48,095 --> 00:39:48,295
Speaker 13: Yeah?

698
00:39:48,295 --> 00:39:48,775
Speaker 6: Good things?

699
00:39:49,695 --> 00:39:50,975
Speaker 10: That's good.

700
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Speaker 7: I've got splitting retaining wall upright, eleven out of the ground. Yep,

701
00:40:00,255 --> 00:40:11,335
Speaker 7: they hold a small garden. What little frunt trees, blind trees, etce.

702
00:40:12,335 --> 00:40:16,135
Speaker 7: Just really want to know the structural integrity of those

703
00:40:16,535 --> 00:40:17,855
Speaker 7: when they're starting to split.

704
00:40:18,135 --> 00:40:20,575
Speaker 6: Right, So are the piles that are in the retaining

705
00:40:20,575 --> 00:40:22,575
Speaker 6: wall or the posts? Are they round or square?

706
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Speaker 3: Round?

707
00:40:24,575 --> 00:40:31,215
Speaker 6: Okay? Surprisingly, there's actually I've never seen one bend or

708
00:40:31,335 --> 00:40:36,495
Speaker 6: break because there's some basically gaps or cracks in them

709
00:40:36,575 --> 00:40:40,775
Speaker 6: where it's dried out right. Not terribly attractive, I know,

710
00:40:42,015 --> 00:40:48,095
Speaker 6: But in terms of it actually impacting the stability of it, no,

711
00:40:48,295 --> 00:40:50,655
Speaker 6: I wouldn't have any concerns. The only thing that I

712
00:40:50,695 --> 00:40:53,935
Speaker 6: have seen over time is that if let's say the

713
00:40:54,455 --> 00:40:56,735
Speaker 6: cut on the top of the post is not angled,

714
00:40:58,335 --> 00:41:02,135
Speaker 6: water can saturate into there and start rotting the post

715
00:41:02,175 --> 00:41:05,615
Speaker 6: out from the top. And in one situation where that

716
00:41:05,695 --> 00:41:08,975
Speaker 6: was quite ounced and it was a big retaining wall,

717
00:41:09,735 --> 00:41:13,815
Speaker 6: I actually went along and made flashings. Didn't look particularly

718
00:41:13,895 --> 00:41:17,335
Speaker 6: pretty but I made flashings that went over the top

719
00:41:17,455 --> 00:41:19,615
Speaker 6: just to keep the water away from the top of that.

720
00:41:19,815 --> 00:41:22,735
Speaker 6: So that's one thing to look at. But generally, if

721
00:41:22,775 --> 00:41:25,495
Speaker 6: there's a split in the post, particularly if it's around

722
00:41:25,575 --> 00:41:29,175
Speaker 6: I would never concern. We're back after the news.

723
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Speaker 1: Doing under house storting the garden asked Pete for a hand.

724
00:41:31,495 --> 00:41:36,055
Speaker 1: The resident builder with Peter Wolfcamp call eight hundred news

725
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Speaker 1: dogs me.

726
00:41:38,775 --> 00:41:42,895
Speaker 6: Sorry, just having a chat actually about AI. This was

727
00:41:43,655 --> 00:41:45,375
Speaker 6: welcome back to the show. By the way, Pete wolf

728
00:41:45,415 --> 00:41:47,935
Speaker 6: Camp here and this is the resident builder on Sunday.

729
00:41:47,935 --> 00:41:51,295
Speaker 6: We're taking your questions and hopefully I'm providing some answers,

730
00:41:51,335 --> 00:41:53,575
Speaker 6: and by the way, it will be me providing the answers.

731
00:41:55,135 --> 00:41:57,175
Speaker 6: And I say that because one of the topics that

732
00:41:57,215 --> 00:42:00,055
Speaker 6: came up at the workshop that I was attending yesterday

733
00:42:01,575 --> 00:42:06,535
Speaker 6: was around the use of AI, artificial intelligence. It was

734
00:42:06,535 --> 00:42:10,295
Speaker 6: a fascinating insight. Bruce Ross I think his name was,

735
00:42:10,375 --> 00:42:14,735
Speaker 6: the presenter, was you know in this field, particularly from

736
00:42:14,735 --> 00:42:17,855
Speaker 6: a leadership and business point of view, what the impact

737
00:42:17,855 --> 00:42:20,175
Speaker 6: of AI is. And I think there's some real possibilities

738
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Speaker 6: for it in the construction sector. And I've often wondered

739
00:42:25,815 --> 00:42:28,295
Speaker 6: whether it's just an a site. We'll talk to me

740
00:42:28,415 --> 00:42:31,215
Speaker 6: in just second that you know, one of the things

741
00:42:31,215 --> 00:42:34,535
Speaker 6: we talk about is building consents taking a long time

742
00:42:34,615 --> 00:42:37,575
Speaker 6: to be processed, and then the next step of that

743
00:42:37,615 --> 00:42:41,815
Speaker 6: conversation is often pointing the finger at the processing, which

744
00:42:41,855 --> 00:42:46,335
Speaker 6: is the building consent authorities and local councils who process

745
00:42:46,415 --> 00:42:49,735
Speaker 6: the building consents as if they're holding things up. And

746
00:42:49,815 --> 00:42:52,215
Speaker 6: in some cases that might be true, but I suspect

747
00:42:52,255 --> 00:42:55,015
Speaker 6: as well that one of the reasons that some building

748
00:42:55,015 --> 00:42:58,015
Speaker 6: consents take a while to go through processing is that

749
00:42:58,095 --> 00:43:02,135
Speaker 6: the building consent itself is of poor quality to be blunt,

750
00:43:03,415 --> 00:43:06,095
Speaker 6: you know, they've missed out items, they haven't shown code,

751
00:43:06,735 --> 00:43:11,175
Speaker 6: they haven't shown building code or building standards correctly, they've

752
00:43:11,175 --> 00:43:15,575
Speaker 6: missed out things. They've got poor details, they haven't just

753
00:43:15,615 --> 00:43:19,175
Speaker 6: a bad set of plans, right, and we've all seen them, right,

754
00:43:20,215 --> 00:43:23,095
Speaker 6: So you kind of wonder whether those all plans being

755
00:43:23,095 --> 00:43:28,135
Speaker 6: submitted for building consent. Let's say for residential work, that

756
00:43:28,255 --> 00:43:32,055
Speaker 6: you get AI to read the building code, figure out

757
00:43:32,095 --> 00:43:34,255
Speaker 6: what's supposed to be in the consent, scan the consent,

758
00:43:34,695 --> 00:43:37,095
Speaker 6: if there are items that should be there that aren't there,

759
00:43:37,655 --> 00:43:42,375
Speaker 6: it'll know potentially within minutes. Creates a list of these

760
00:43:42,415 --> 00:43:44,615
Speaker 6: things are not included, and it goes straight back to

761
00:43:44,655 --> 00:43:48,175
Speaker 6: the person who' submitted the consent, going you don't have

762
00:43:48,215 --> 00:43:50,655
Speaker 6: these details in here. I would have thought that that's

763
00:43:50,695 --> 00:43:54,495
Speaker 6: a pretty straightforward use of AI in terms of construct

764
00:43:54,535 --> 00:43:57,055
Speaker 6: There'll be other uses. There'll be a myriad of other uses.

765
00:43:57,095 --> 00:43:59,935
Speaker 6: So it's a fascinating insight into I guess what the

766
00:43:59,975 --> 00:44:01,535
Speaker 6: world's going to look like in a couple of years

767
00:44:01,535 --> 00:44:05,015
Speaker 6: time in terms of the use of AI. You may

768
00:44:05,175 --> 00:44:07,135
Speaker 6: want to comment on that it was a good conference.

769
00:44:07,175 --> 00:44:10,655
Speaker 6: Actually it's the beauty. I mean, I'm not well. I'm

770
00:44:10,695 --> 00:44:12,975
Speaker 6: actually now an honorary member of the New Zealand Institute

771
00:44:12,975 --> 00:44:16,775
Speaker 6: of Building Surveys. But going along to these conferences yesterday

772
00:44:16,975 --> 00:44:22,655
Speaker 6: listening to people talking about remote inspections, talking with Jeff Barrenson,

773
00:44:22,695 --> 00:44:26,335
Speaker 6: who's the basically head of building Inspections for AUKN Council,

774
00:44:26,415 --> 00:44:29,455
Speaker 6: talking about the inspection process and what might be changing,

775
00:44:29,855 --> 00:44:34,375
Speaker 6: talking about people from the Green Building Council, Passive House Institute,

776
00:44:34,975 --> 00:44:38,295
Speaker 6: and actually Storm Harper Harpham, who has been on this

777
00:44:38,335 --> 00:44:41,535
Speaker 6: program talking about ventilation, did a fantastic presentation as well.

778
00:44:41,615 --> 00:44:44,615
Speaker 6: So I quite enjoy that whole professional development thing rdio

779
00:44:45,815 --> 00:44:48,055
Speaker 6: eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty is that number

780
00:44:48,215 --> 00:44:54,655
Speaker 6: two concern? M Someone has has counted my comment prior

781
00:44:54,695 --> 00:44:58,375
Speaker 6: to the news about the timber pete. I would have

782
00:44:58,495 --> 00:45:01,775
Speaker 6: a concern of splitting of tantalized posts, especially in frosty

783
00:45:01,895 --> 00:45:04,535
Speaker 6: cold areas, such as when the water ingress freezes and

784
00:45:04,615 --> 00:45:10,375
Speaker 6: splits a post even more, reducing its strength. Timbers not

785
00:45:11,495 --> 00:45:15,335
Speaker 6: like in all honesty, I'd love to see a photograph

786
00:45:15,455 --> 00:45:20,655
Speaker 6: of timber posts freezing and splitting. I know it happens

787
00:45:20,695 --> 00:45:26,215
Speaker 6: in Stone in very cold circumstances, in very limited circumstances,

788
00:45:26,215 --> 00:45:29,455
Speaker 6: but I understand your concern. I think it's a good

789
00:45:29,615 --> 00:45:34,735
Speaker 6: theoretical concern. In practical terms, I can't see it happening.

790
00:45:34,815 --> 00:45:38,135
Speaker 6: I'm more than happy to be corrected on that, but

791
00:45:38,255 --> 00:45:40,375
Speaker 6: I can't see it. Oh, eight hundred and eighty ten

792
00:45:40,495 --> 00:45:43,415
Speaker 6: eighty is the number to call. May A very good

793
00:45:43,495 --> 00:45:44,495
Speaker 6: morning and thanks for waiting.

794
00:45:46,135 --> 00:45:49,255
Speaker 14: Morning you good. I just wonder if you can give

795
00:45:49,415 --> 00:45:54,575
Speaker 14: me some advised opinion regarding the louver window in the

796
00:45:54,655 --> 00:45:58,815
Speaker 14: kitchen as well as in the bathroom. Sure, on one

797
00:45:58,895 --> 00:46:06,695
Speaker 14: corner of the kitchen is the oven, and then site

798
00:46:06,735 --> 00:46:12,855
Speaker 14: on this side is their bench top. Then that that's

799
00:46:12,895 --> 00:46:16,375
Speaker 14: where the windows the three pain window on top of

800
00:46:16,415 --> 00:46:21,215
Speaker 14: the bench. The middle one is the lub window. So

801
00:46:21,455 --> 00:46:25,695
Speaker 14: with that, does it need to be replaced with the

802
00:46:25,775 --> 00:46:28,535
Speaker 14: some and what is the best approach to replace that

803
00:46:28,695 --> 00:46:36,575
Speaker 14: lub window. I presume that the standard on the Healthy

804
00:46:36,615 --> 00:46:37,575
Speaker 14: Home standard.

805
00:46:37,615 --> 00:46:40,255
Speaker 6: Okay, in terms of healthy home standard, So if it's

806
00:46:40,295 --> 00:46:43,135
Speaker 6: a mental property and you're doing the work in order

807
00:46:43,175 --> 00:46:47,175
Speaker 6: to comply with the Residential Tendencies Amendment Act Healthy Home standards,

808
00:46:48,015 --> 00:46:51,655
Speaker 6: you don't have to change the windows at all, okay,

809
00:46:52,615 --> 00:46:57,735
Speaker 6: So there is no requirement to upgrade glazing. Where if

810
00:46:57,775 --> 00:47:01,135
Speaker 6: someone was to do an independent assessment of the property,

811
00:47:01,175 --> 00:47:03,695
Speaker 6: one of the criteria is that there should be no

812
00:47:05,095 --> 00:47:09,175
Speaker 6: excessive drafts. So for example, if the louver is the

813
00:47:09,295 --> 00:47:15,215
Speaker 6: really old fashioned ones with and it doesn't close particularly well,

814
00:47:15,455 --> 00:47:20,415
Speaker 6: someone might give an opinion that that is an unreasonable draft.

815
00:47:21,855 --> 00:47:27,695
Speaker 6: But you know, I would probably push back on that

816
00:47:27,775 --> 00:47:30,655
Speaker 6: unless it's in really poor quality and it doesn't seal.

817
00:47:31,255 --> 00:47:36,735
Speaker 6: Accepting the fact that louvers don't seal particularly well, and

818
00:47:37,055 --> 00:47:40,055
Speaker 6: older ones often when you close them there's a gap

819
00:47:40,095 --> 00:47:44,815
Speaker 6: between the individual pieces of glass. Obviously, you know, having

820
00:47:44,815 --> 00:47:48,775
Speaker 6: a louver closing means that you've got lots of lots

821
00:47:48,775 --> 00:47:50,775
Speaker 6: of gaps. You know, you might have six or seven

822
00:47:50,855 --> 00:47:56,775
Speaker 6: gaps in the louver. But in terms of healthy homes,

823
00:47:56,815 --> 00:47:59,975
Speaker 6: if someone has said to you, if you're happen to

824
00:48:00,015 --> 00:48:02,135
Speaker 6: be the landlord or the owner of the property, that

825
00:48:02,255 --> 00:48:05,255
Speaker 6: it doesn't comply, I would probably push back and say,

826
00:48:05,295 --> 00:48:08,375
Speaker 6: it's not an unre reasonable gap unless it's in very

827
00:48:08,415 --> 00:48:09,055
Speaker 6: poor quality.

828
00:48:10,255 --> 00:48:14,015
Speaker 14: Okay, so there's the same thing apply to the bathroom

829
00:48:14,055 --> 00:48:17,335
Speaker 14: as well. The bathroom has the luber windows clothed.

830
00:48:17,255 --> 00:48:21,295
Speaker 6: Bath Yeah, yeah, the only reason that you would comment

831
00:48:21,415 --> 00:48:23,935
Speaker 6: on it, I think in terms of healthy home standard

832
00:48:23,935 --> 00:48:27,815
Speaker 6: would be around gaps. There is and I'm very clear

833
00:48:27,855 --> 00:48:30,735
Speaker 6: about this, there is no requirement in the Act to

834
00:48:31,255 --> 00:48:34,255
Speaker 6: upgrade glazing in the same way that there is no

835
00:48:34,415 --> 00:48:40,735
Speaker 6: requirement to install insulation into walls. There is an accessible

836
00:48:40,975 --> 00:48:44,215
Speaker 6: ceilings and subfloor spaces, but not into walls. Now, it

837
00:48:44,295 --> 00:48:46,895
Speaker 6: might be a good idea, but in terms of compliance

838
00:48:46,935 --> 00:48:49,895
Speaker 6: with the co or with the Act, there is no requirement.

839
00:48:50,975 --> 00:48:55,415
Speaker 14: Okay, so then what about the EXPLI I'm for the.

840
00:48:56,975 --> 00:49:00,375
Speaker 6: In terms of compliance for extraction, I would think that

841
00:49:00,455 --> 00:49:06,415
Speaker 6: would actually comply because again there is a requirement in

842
00:49:06,535 --> 00:49:10,575
Speaker 6: healthy homes to provide extraction from the kitchen area. It

843
00:49:10,655 --> 00:49:13,695
Speaker 6: doesn't necessarily need to be a range hoit. It could

844
00:49:13,855 --> 00:49:17,535
Speaker 6: just be extraction from there. And whether that's through the wall,

845
00:49:17,695 --> 00:49:20,255
Speaker 6: through the ceiling, or an expell air that's in the glass,

846
00:49:20,295 --> 00:49:21,735
Speaker 6: which is a little bit of an old fashioned thing

847
00:49:21,775 --> 00:49:26,175
Speaker 6: these days, I would argue that that is compliant.

848
00:49:26,935 --> 00:49:31,855
Speaker 14: Okay, right, So that means that no alterations is quite

849
00:49:31,975 --> 00:49:33,375
Speaker 14: necessary in that case.

850
00:49:33,535 --> 00:49:37,735
Speaker 6: As long as they're in reasonable condition and they're working,

851
00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:40,015
Speaker 6: I think you could make a very strong case to

852
00:49:40,015 --> 00:49:45,295
Speaker 6: say this complies. And just to be really clear from

853
00:49:45,295 --> 00:49:48,135
Speaker 6: my point of view, I have been ever since the

854
00:49:48,175 --> 00:49:52,055
Speaker 6: Act came out, a big supporter of healthy home standards

855
00:49:52,055 --> 00:49:56,295
Speaker 6: for residential properties, right, and I have no time whatsoever

856
00:49:56,495 --> 00:50:00,855
Speaker 6: for landlords that claim that it's an unnecessary burden and

857
00:50:00,895 --> 00:50:04,535
Speaker 6: all the rest of it. The threshold is not terribly high,

858
00:50:04,615 --> 00:50:08,055
Speaker 6: and I think that all landlords have a duty to

859
00:50:08,415 --> 00:50:12,495
Speaker 6: get their houses to healthy home standards. It's you know,

860
00:50:12,535 --> 00:50:15,295
Speaker 6: it's got to be a pretty poor building for it

861
00:50:15,335 --> 00:50:18,495
Speaker 6: not to comply. Flip side of that is, I also

862
00:50:18,575 --> 00:50:21,575
Speaker 6: don't have a great deal of time for people who

863
00:50:21,695 --> 00:50:26,415
Speaker 6: are doing healthy homes assessments who are making unreasonable assessments

864
00:50:26,415 --> 00:50:29,095
Speaker 6: of property. And I had a discussion with someone one

865
00:50:29,135 --> 00:50:31,975
Speaker 6: time who they had a healthy Homes assessment of a

866
00:50:31,975 --> 00:50:36,175
Speaker 6: property that had double hung sash windows, and the assessor said,

867
00:50:36,575 --> 00:50:38,655
Speaker 6: you need to take all of those windows out and

868
00:50:38,695 --> 00:50:42,975
Speaker 6: replace them because they're not Healthy homes compliant. Now that's

869
00:50:45,015 --> 00:50:48,215
Speaker 6: that's almost criminal in my mind, right, those sorts of assessments,

870
00:50:48,295 --> 00:50:52,015
Speaker 6: because as long as they're in reasonable condition, that they've

871
00:50:52,015 --> 00:50:55,095
Speaker 6: actually got the fastener that closes the two sashes together,

872
00:50:55,175 --> 00:50:58,255
Speaker 6: that they're not terribly twisted with big gaps underneath it,

873
00:50:58,615 --> 00:51:01,735
Speaker 6: I think that the windows should comply with the requirements.

874
00:51:01,815 --> 00:51:08,855
Speaker 14: So okay, yeah, just one one point. In the laundry,

875
00:51:08,895 --> 00:51:12,655
Speaker 14: there's loover windows that's okay as well, and they are

876
00:51:12,895 --> 00:51:14,495
Speaker 14: or if.

877
00:51:14,335 --> 00:51:18,255
Speaker 6: They're in good condition. Yeah, I think that. I mean,

878
00:51:18,295 --> 00:51:20,735
Speaker 6: look again, there's a benefit there. I always like to

879
00:51:20,775 --> 00:51:23,335
Speaker 6: see extraction in the laundry. I think that's a real

880
00:51:23,375 --> 00:51:25,775
Speaker 6: advantage if you can get some extraction in the laundry

881
00:51:26,495 --> 00:51:28,855
Speaker 6: because people do leave the dryer on, they leave the

882
00:51:28,935 --> 00:51:32,535
Speaker 6: washing machine on again and the presentation yesta about ventilation,

883
00:51:32,775 --> 00:51:35,695
Speaker 6: you know, doing the washing inside the house is about

884
00:51:35,775 --> 00:51:40,095
Speaker 6: three liters of water that that is released into the atmosphere, right,

885
00:51:40,495 --> 00:51:43,895
Speaker 6: so that water has got to go somewhere, or that

886
00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:46,935
Speaker 6: moisture content in the atmosphere needs to go somewhere. Ideally

887
00:51:46,975 --> 00:51:49,975
Speaker 6: we're extracting it and pushing it out of the building.

888
00:51:51,215 --> 00:51:53,135
Speaker 14: Oh well, that's okay.

889
00:51:53,175 --> 00:51:55,255
Speaker 6: Thanks very lovely to talk with you, mate, Thank you

890
00:51:55,335 --> 00:51:58,535
Speaker 6: very much. Okay, good take care, Bobe. And again, just

891
00:51:58,575 --> 00:52:01,815
Speaker 6: to be crystal clear on this, I think that you know,

892
00:52:01,855 --> 00:52:06,295
Speaker 6: the healthy Homes compliance is not terribly difficult, to be blunt,

893
00:52:08,215 --> 00:52:11,215
Speaker 6: and again I don't have a great deal of time

894
00:52:11,415 --> 00:52:16,935
Speaker 6: for landlords who go, oh no, it's a real burden

895
00:52:17,015 --> 00:52:19,215
Speaker 6: and the house is fine and all the rest of it.

896
00:52:21,335 --> 00:52:23,215
Speaker 6: You know, if you're in the business of being a landlord,

897
00:52:23,295 --> 00:52:26,335
Speaker 6: then I think you have a responsibility to ensure that

898
00:52:26,375 --> 00:52:29,135
Speaker 6: the property is in reasonable condition. And I don't think

899
00:52:29,175 --> 00:52:32,135
Speaker 6: the three shoulder is terribly high. I don't know whether

900
00:52:32,175 --> 00:52:36,535
Speaker 6: I necessarily want the government to make it more stringent,

901
00:52:36,855 --> 00:52:41,215
Speaker 6: let's say, But like I said, my experience has been

902
00:52:41,335 --> 00:52:44,295
Speaker 6: it's not a terribly high bar to reach. Oh you

903
00:52:44,375 --> 00:52:46,215
Speaker 6: may wish to comment on that, oh, eight hundred and

904
00:52:46,215 --> 00:52:49,335
Speaker 6: eighty ten eighty quick couple of texts before the break morning, Pete.

905
00:52:49,335 --> 00:52:52,695
Speaker 6: I've lived in Canada for many years, never had a

906
00:52:52,695 --> 00:52:57,135
Speaker 6: problem with moisture expanding posts. The winter over here often

907
00:52:57,175 --> 00:53:01,295
Speaker 6: gets down to minus thirty degrees. Cheers from Carey, Thank

908
00:53:01,335 --> 00:53:04,095
Speaker 6: you for that look. I understand the principle about what

909
00:53:04,335 --> 00:53:06,215
Speaker 6: the text is saying that if you get water and

910
00:53:06,375 --> 00:53:09,215
Speaker 6: a post and it freezes, water expands when it freezes,

911
00:53:09,255 --> 00:53:14,175
Speaker 6: and that could extend the post. Timber doesn't tend to

912
00:53:14,215 --> 00:53:16,575
Speaker 6: freeze in the same way that something like stone does,

913
00:53:16,615 --> 00:53:19,255
Speaker 6: so that's really interesting one. We got talking about water

914
00:53:19,375 --> 00:53:24,815
Speaker 6: actually before in terms of you know, common practice most

915
00:53:24,815 --> 00:53:27,095
Speaker 6: of us. I would imagine if we turn the shower on,

916
00:53:27,495 --> 00:53:30,735
Speaker 6: we don't leap in straight away, right. We tend to

917
00:53:30,775 --> 00:53:33,055
Speaker 6: turn the shower on, wait for it to warm up,

918
00:53:33,055 --> 00:53:36,015
Speaker 6: and then we hop in. And of course that water

919
00:53:36,055 --> 00:53:38,335
Speaker 6: is effectively wasted in the same way that if you

920
00:53:38,375 --> 00:53:40,495
Speaker 6: need hot water from your kitchen sink and you don't

921
00:53:40,495 --> 00:53:43,055
Speaker 6: have instant hot water there, you turn the tap on

922
00:53:43,055 --> 00:53:45,655
Speaker 6: on hot generally there's a bit of cold water in

923
00:53:45,695 --> 00:53:47,735
Speaker 6: the line that needs to purge before the hot water

924
00:53:47,815 --> 00:53:53,175
Speaker 6: comes out. You know, times five million of us, times

925
00:53:53,215 --> 00:53:55,935
Speaker 6: two million households, etc. That's a lot of water that

926
00:53:56,015 --> 00:54:01,295
Speaker 6: effectively gets wasted. Because it's not warm. So a couple

927
00:54:01,335 --> 00:54:02,975
Speaker 6: of people have texted her and said, look, if I

928
00:54:03,055 --> 00:54:05,175
Speaker 6: run the tap, I catch it in a container. It

929
00:54:05,175 --> 00:54:08,495
Speaker 6: goes into the washing machine, no waste. I know other

930
00:54:08,495 --> 00:54:11,255
Speaker 6: people that will make a habit of maybe having the

931
00:54:11,255 --> 00:54:15,095
Speaker 6: pot nearby and topping up the pot, and then when

932
00:54:15,135 --> 00:54:17,015
Speaker 6: it comes time to cook the dinner, you've already got

933
00:54:17,055 --> 00:54:19,095
Speaker 6: some water in the pot to boil the potatoes, or

934
00:54:19,095 --> 00:54:22,295
Speaker 6: do the pasta or something like that. Leave the jug empty,

935
00:54:22,775 --> 00:54:26,575
Speaker 6: use the cold water in the hotline to fill the

936
00:54:26,655 --> 00:54:28,935
Speaker 6: jug each time, so you're not There's a whole lot

937
00:54:28,975 --> 00:54:33,655
Speaker 6: of new things like that. I think that's great. Um, oh,

938
00:54:33,735 --> 00:54:35,935
Speaker 6: this is a good eat too on a new build.

939
00:54:36,055 --> 00:54:39,135
Speaker 6: How can you determine how many coats of paint have

940
00:54:39,255 --> 00:54:42,495
Speaker 6: been applied to Linear weatherboards? And they've been very specific

941
00:54:42,535 --> 00:54:46,175
Speaker 6: about this. So Linear is a fiber cement weatherboard system

942
00:54:46,215 --> 00:54:55,055
Speaker 6: from James Hardy's from John or like that's like a

943
00:54:55,055 --> 00:54:57,575
Speaker 6: little iceberg floating along. Right, there's a little question on

944
00:54:57,615 --> 00:55:00,295
Speaker 6: the top that goes how many coats of paint underneath that.

945
00:55:00,335 --> 00:55:02,215
Speaker 6: There's a whole issue. There's a whole lot of issues

946
00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:07,735
Speaker 6: around quality of workmanship. Manufacturers warranties, et cetera, et cetera.

947
00:55:08,095 --> 00:55:11,695
Speaker 6: So I think that the only way to if you

948
00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:13,895
Speaker 6: really really got a concern is you would need to

949
00:55:13,935 --> 00:55:17,375
Speaker 6: take a sample of it and send it away for analysis. Right,

950
00:55:17,415 --> 00:55:19,495
Speaker 6: So some of the paint manufacturers might be able to

951
00:55:19,495 --> 00:55:24,535
Speaker 6: do that for you. I'm guessing. I'm assuming that your

952
00:55:24,655 --> 00:55:30,055
Speaker 6: question really relates to the fact that, like I've seen it,

953
00:55:30,095 --> 00:55:32,135
Speaker 6: and I've seen it with other pre painted boards. So

954
00:55:32,495 --> 00:55:35,935
Speaker 6: my own preference for these types of products pre painted

955
00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:39,895
Speaker 6: exterior cladding is they come with a factory primer on them.

956
00:55:40,455 --> 00:55:42,695
Speaker 6: Some come with a factory primer and a first coat.

957
00:55:42,775 --> 00:55:46,455
Speaker 6: Most come just with a factory primer. I think that

958
00:55:46,495 --> 00:55:51,055
Speaker 6: primer degrades a little bit, so my inclination would always

959
00:55:51,095 --> 00:55:56,095
Speaker 6: be to install the product sand the surface, rear coat,

960
00:55:56,415 --> 00:56:01,175
Speaker 6: recoat with a new primer coat, and then do minimum

961
00:56:01,215 --> 00:56:05,415
Speaker 6: to top coats on it. I am sure that there

962
00:56:05,455 --> 00:56:08,135
Speaker 6: would be builders and developers and painters out there who

963
00:56:08,175 --> 00:56:10,495
Speaker 6: will install a product like that that's got a factory

964
00:56:10,535 --> 00:56:12,855
Speaker 6: coat on it and then just give it one top

965
00:56:12,895 --> 00:56:15,215
Speaker 6: coat and say that that's finished. And I suspect John,

966
00:56:15,295 --> 00:56:17,535
Speaker 6: that's what your question is about. I think what you'd

967
00:56:17,575 --> 00:56:21,575
Speaker 6: do is you'd go back to you'd ask the developer,

968
00:56:22,455 --> 00:56:24,695
Speaker 6: can you provide me a statement from the painter to

969
00:56:24,775 --> 00:56:27,175
Speaker 6: say that the weather boards have been finished in accordance

970
00:56:27,215 --> 00:56:30,975
Speaker 6: with the manufacturer's specifications and for your reference, I attach

971
00:56:31,015 --> 00:56:34,575
Speaker 6: a copy of the specifications and best practice guidelines from

972
00:56:34,575 --> 00:56:37,655
Speaker 6: the manufacturer. Have you done this? And then they can

973
00:56:38,215 --> 00:56:40,855
Speaker 6: either tell you the truth or they can lie. And

974
00:56:40,975 --> 00:56:43,735
Speaker 6: if you want to know more, I think you could

975
00:56:43,775 --> 00:56:47,255
Speaker 6: get a representative from the paint firm to come and

976
00:56:47,335 --> 00:56:49,935
Speaker 6: assess it for you. And there may well be some

977
00:56:50,015 --> 00:56:54,855
Speaker 6: testing as well. And then another quick text Pete, I

978
00:56:54,895 --> 00:56:59,215
Speaker 6: heard that a brand new house failed a Healthy Home inspection. Yes,

979
00:57:00,935 --> 00:57:10,415
Speaker 6: that's quite possible. And the reason being is that, in

980
00:57:10,455 --> 00:57:14,135
Speaker 6: a glaring oversight to the New Zealand Building Code, there

981
00:57:14,215 --> 00:57:16,975
Speaker 6: is no requirement in the New Zealand Building Code to

982
00:57:17,055 --> 00:57:22,375
Speaker 6: provide heating all right, So there is nothing in the

983
00:57:22,375 --> 00:57:24,255
Speaker 6: building Code that says you have to put heating into

984
00:57:24,295 --> 00:57:27,815
Speaker 6: a house. Healthy Home Standards has a requirement for a

985
00:57:27,855 --> 00:57:32,215
Speaker 6: fixed form of heating in the living area that will

986
00:57:32,295 --> 00:57:35,855
Speaker 6: ensure that the building attains it's either eighteen or twenty

987
00:57:35,895 --> 00:57:39,935
Speaker 6: degrees in winter and you have to prove that right.

988
00:57:39,975 --> 00:57:43,415
Speaker 6: So if you've done a healthy Homes assessment, you can

989
00:57:43,535 --> 00:57:47,095
Speaker 6: use a tool that's online. You can describe the walls,

990
00:57:47,135 --> 00:57:49,775
Speaker 6: you can describe the type of insulation, you can describe

991
00:57:49,775 --> 00:57:52,535
Speaker 6: the type of joinery. You can describe the type of glazing.

992
00:57:52,695 --> 00:57:55,695
Speaker 6: You can describe the floor and the ceiling. Space, you

993
00:57:55,775 --> 00:57:58,575
Speaker 6: work out and do a calculation of the living space.

994
00:57:59,015 --> 00:58:02,935
Speaker 6: The living space also includes any space is attached to

995
00:58:02,975 --> 00:58:05,175
Speaker 6: it that don't have a door that you can close.

996
00:58:05,215 --> 00:58:08,455
Speaker 6: So if there's an open staircase and an upstairs landing,

997
00:58:08,855 --> 00:58:11,935
Speaker 6: that space needs to be included in the calculation for

998
00:58:12,015 --> 00:58:17,415
Speaker 6: the living space. If it's an open plan kitchen, dining area,

999
00:58:17,455 --> 00:58:21,095
Speaker 6: all of that space needs to be included. Then it

1000
00:58:21,135 --> 00:58:23,855
Speaker 6: gives you a calculation for the volume. Then it tells

1001
00:58:23,895 --> 00:58:27,135
Speaker 6: you how much heating that will require. And then you

1002
00:58:27,135 --> 00:58:30,135
Speaker 6: can look through and see does that heat pump have

1003
00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:34,175
Speaker 6: sufficient heating capacity for that space? And it'll be a

1004
00:58:34,335 --> 00:58:38,455
Speaker 6: yes or no, brand new house, no heating in it,

1005
00:58:38,455 --> 00:58:41,655
Speaker 6: it'll fail Healthy homes. There you go, oh, eight hundred eighty,

1006
00:58:41,695 --> 00:58:43,975
Speaker 6: ten eighty the number to call. It's coming up twenty

1007
00:58:44,135 --> 00:58:45,455
Speaker 6: four minutes after seven.

1008
00:58:45,695 --> 00:58:48,575
Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing with fans or wondering

1009
00:58:48,615 --> 00:58:50,695
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall. Give Peter

1010
00:58:50,775 --> 00:58:55,335
Speaker 1: wolf Gaffer call on eighty the resident builder on youth

1011
00:58:55,415 --> 00:58:57,495
Speaker 1: Dogs b or.

1012
00:58:57,535 --> 00:59:00,415
Speaker 6: Good text Pete that the Building Code doesn't make the

1013
00:59:00,415 --> 00:59:02,375
Speaker 6: healthy home standard is proof that the government and the

1014
00:59:02,375 --> 00:59:07,375
Speaker 6: building industry are dysfunctional and failing us. He's really sure

1015
00:59:07,415 --> 00:59:09,935
Speaker 6: that I go that far. But it does point out

1016
00:59:09,975 --> 00:59:14,135
Speaker 6: a massive disjoint between two parts of the same branch

1017
00:59:14,175 --> 00:59:18,135
Speaker 6: of government, doesn't it. James Greetings, Good morning Peter.

1018
00:59:19,775 --> 00:59:24,935
Speaker 11: My question is I have two friends there relatively unknown

1019
00:59:24,975 --> 00:59:29,055
Speaker 11: to each other. But one friend has built a house

1020
00:59:30,295 --> 00:59:34,095
Speaker 11: approximately five years ago and due to circumstances he sold it.

1021
00:59:35,015 --> 00:59:41,135
Speaker 11: Another friend has bought that house at auction ah, and

1022
00:59:41,175 --> 00:59:44,375
Speaker 11: he now has a problem with a leak or water

1023
00:59:44,575 --> 00:59:48,855
Speaker 11: in the bathroom and also the toilet. The bathroom is tiled.

1024
00:59:50,295 --> 00:59:54,295
Speaker 11: Now this leak could be due to plumbing or a

1025
00:59:54,415 --> 00:59:59,495
Speaker 11: waterproofing with the tiled bathroom. Now my understanding that tyler

1026
00:59:59,575 --> 01:00:03,975
Speaker 11: and plumber would have to give producer statements for CODA.

1027
01:00:03,775 --> 01:00:07,775
Speaker 6: Compliance, certainly within the last well last fifteen years, but

1028
01:00:07,855 --> 01:00:09,975
Speaker 6: certainly within the last five years undoubtedly.

1029
01:00:10,735 --> 01:00:13,455
Speaker 11: And also the friend that built the house would have

1030
01:00:13,495 --> 01:00:16,655
Speaker 11: been lbp'd in his number would be on this job

1031
01:00:16,815 --> 01:00:18,135
Speaker 11: for ten years.

1032
01:00:18,215 --> 01:00:20,415
Speaker 6: So the person who built the house literally built it

1033
01:00:20,495 --> 01:00:21,735
Speaker 6: because they are in LBP.

1034
01:00:22,615 --> 01:00:26,095
Speaker 11: Well yes, and they built it for their own delivered

1035
01:00:26,615 --> 01:00:29,255
Speaker 11: for their home, but like say, due to circumstances, it

1036
01:00:29,375 --> 01:00:35,215
Speaker 11: was sold. Now with these issues, where does a liability lie? Now?

1037
01:00:38,055 --> 01:00:40,535
Speaker 6: She was I mean, actually, one of the things that

1038
01:00:40,695 --> 01:00:44,695
Speaker 6: again was discussing the conference is around joint and several liability, right,

1039
01:00:44,735 --> 01:00:46,655
Speaker 6: and the way that we have it in New Zealand

1040
01:00:46,735 --> 01:00:49,615
Speaker 6: is that kind of everyone gets called into these disputes.

1041
01:00:50,535 --> 01:00:56,615
Speaker 6: But in this particular instance, the main contractor, which might

1042
01:00:56,695 --> 01:01:00,055
Speaker 6: be friend number one who happens to be an LBP,

1043
01:01:00,855 --> 01:01:06,095
Speaker 6: if they were the main contractor and responsible for finding

1044
01:01:06,375 --> 01:01:11,455
Speaker 6: and commissioning and supervising and paying the subcontractors. So if

1045
01:01:11,615 --> 01:01:15,775
Speaker 6: friend number one got plumber in plumber did the job

1046
01:01:15,935 --> 01:01:19,095
Speaker 6: and got paid by number one, then they are going

1047
01:01:19,095 --> 01:01:23,015
Speaker 6: to be involved in this as well. Certainly, if there's

1048
01:01:23,015 --> 01:01:26,095
Speaker 6: a problem with the waterproofing, given that waterproofing has got

1049
01:01:26,095 --> 01:01:31,015
Speaker 6: a minimum fifteen year requirement, then the person who wrote

1050
01:01:31,055 --> 01:01:35,135
Speaker 6: out the producers statement for the warrant for the waterproofing,

1051
01:01:35,215 --> 01:01:38,135
Speaker 6: they will definitely be involved in this if it happens

1052
01:01:38,135 --> 01:01:41,935
Speaker 6: to be a plumbing leak fitting that hasn't been properly

1053
01:01:41,975 --> 01:01:44,175
Speaker 6: crimped or something like that, and that's causing the leak.

1054
01:01:44,415 --> 01:01:47,935
Speaker 6: Then it'll be the plumber that's responsible. But I think

1055
01:01:47,975 --> 01:01:50,695
Speaker 6: in the first incidence, you would probably go to the

1056
01:01:50,695 --> 01:01:54,975
Speaker 6: person who was the builder, friend number one, and go,

1057
01:01:55,255 --> 01:01:57,895
Speaker 6: I've got an issue with the house. And then they

1058
01:01:58,055 --> 01:02:01,775
Speaker 6: will start chasing these other people. And in the event

1059
01:02:01,815 --> 01:02:05,055
Speaker 6: that the other people have gone, you could still pursue

1060
01:02:05,095 --> 01:02:09,015
Speaker 6: them potentially. And this is this is where joint several

1061
01:02:09,055 --> 01:02:12,935
Speaker 6: liabilities a problem you then drag in council because council

1062
01:02:13,015 --> 01:02:15,415
Speaker 6: issued a ce CC right, and then counsel will try

1063
01:02:15,455 --> 01:02:21,855
Speaker 6: and sue these other people. It is quite messy. Get

1064
01:02:21,895 --> 01:02:24,575
Speaker 6: on to it straight away, right, you know, like it's

1065
01:02:24,655 --> 01:02:27,095
Speaker 6: not going to get better. Water leaks never get better.

1066
01:02:27,255 --> 01:02:30,135
Speaker 6: So Friend number two, who now owns the house and

1067
01:02:30,175 --> 01:02:33,935
Speaker 6: has the issue, needs to get on on the blower

1068
01:02:33,975 --> 01:02:37,775
Speaker 6: pretty quickly. Make people really, you know, go and do

1069
01:02:37,895 --> 01:02:42,015
Speaker 6: us a little bit of research around your responsibilities under

1070
01:02:42,015 --> 01:02:45,655
Speaker 6: the Building Act and also responsibilities under the various bits

1071
01:02:45,655 --> 01:02:50,895
Speaker 6: of consumer guarantees, requirements and laws, and people need to

1072
01:02:50,935 --> 01:02:52,815
Speaker 6: respond and get onto this really quickly.

1073
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Speaker 11: Who would be would this be an insurance people to

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Speaker 11: chase these people or how would that work as well?

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Speaker 6: See let's say it's a water leak care by poor workmanship,

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Speaker 6: right I think, and I it's just an opinion, right,

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Speaker 6: you know, you would need to go and consult either

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Speaker 6: with the lawyer or with your insurer. That I wonder

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Speaker 6: whether an insurance company might say this is in fact

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Speaker 6: gradual damage so they might engage. I mean what you

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Speaker 6: raise an interesting point around should we as an industry

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Speaker 6: in terms of construction and house building, should we be

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Speaker 6: looking at compulsory insurance as a way of ensuring that

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01:03:40,415 --> 01:03:44,015
Speaker 6: the burden for poor workmanship doesn't always end up at

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Speaker 6: the council's foot, right, you know, in their lap, which

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Speaker 6: it does at the moment. But I think there are

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Speaker 6: clear responsibilities for lbp's construction plumbers and people who give

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Speaker 6: out certificates for waterproofing that their work needs to comply.

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Speaker 6: I guess what inevitably will happen is everyone will say

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Speaker 6: it's somebody else's problem. So it might be worthwhile for

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Speaker 6: friend number two, who's now got the problem with the leak,

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Speaker 6: to get someone to do an assessment to determine what

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01:04:23,615 --> 01:04:26,495
Speaker 6: the cause of the leak is that might make it quicker,

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01:04:27,815 --> 01:04:30,215
Speaker 6: or you could just go back to them. I would

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Speaker 6: always start with the main contractor and go this job

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01:04:34,535 --> 01:04:37,975
Speaker 6: that you supervised has got a problem. I want you

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Speaker 6: to sort it out.

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Speaker 11: I know that's very good. Thanks for it.

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Speaker 6: It's never a nice situation. But they don't get better

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Speaker 6: on their own, So just crack into it. Get them

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01:04:49,255 --> 01:04:49,975
Speaker 6: to crack into it.

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Speaker 11: And also the plumber has retired and sold his business,

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01:04:53,735 --> 01:04:56,015
Speaker 11: so there's another issue.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and many people involved in construction and related sectors don't.

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01:05:03,455 --> 01:05:06,095
Speaker 6: There's a provision with some insurances which has a carry

1106
01:05:06,095 --> 01:05:09,695
Speaker 6: on clause, right, so even when you stop, your insurance

1107
01:05:09,815 --> 01:05:14,695
Speaker 6: carries on. So if that person had insurance for their

1108
01:05:14,735 --> 01:05:19,255
Speaker 6: work as a plumber and they're responsible for that work

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01:05:19,295 --> 01:05:23,375
Speaker 6: for ten years and they retire, there in some cases

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Speaker 6: you can have an insurance policy that can will continue

1111
01:05:26,215 --> 01:05:29,135
Speaker 6: to cover your work for ten years even if you've retired.

1112
01:05:29,415 --> 01:05:34,335
Speaker 6: But only if you've got the right type of policy. Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 6: let us know how you get on its. Look, it's

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01:05:36,415 --> 01:05:39,375
Speaker 6: an awful situation to be on and you've just got

1115
01:05:39,375 --> 01:05:40,935
Speaker 6: to crack into it.

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01:05:41,455 --> 01:05:43,295
Speaker 11: Yeah, both parties.

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01:05:43,335 --> 01:05:44,415
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's ugly.

1118
01:05:44,935 --> 01:05:51,415
Speaker 11: Yeah, one person's advice and yes.

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Speaker 6: Look in the end, as contractors, we're responsible for our work,

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Speaker 6: right and the reality of work. Anyone who makes something

1121
01:05:59,175 --> 01:06:02,375
Speaker 6: will make a mistake, right, So if you've made a mistake,

1122
01:06:02,775 --> 01:06:05,855
Speaker 6: you fix it. That's how you got to do it.

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Speaker 6: Nice to talk with you, James. You take care okay,

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Speaker 6: Thanks all the best, all the best to you. Never

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Speaker 6: a good situation, but you just go crack into it. Radio.

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Speaker 6: I mentioned earlier in the show that I'd spent a

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Speaker 6: night I went to christ Church on Wednesday. I was

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Speaker 6: speaking at the Site Safe graduation, So for those people

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Speaker 6: who had completed their site safe course, it's a level

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Speaker 6: three qualification. I quite like christ Church. I don't spend

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Speaker 6: a lot of time there. I had a little bit

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Speaker 6: of time in the morning to go for a bit

1133
01:06:35,135 --> 01:06:38,975
Speaker 6: of a drive around, and quite genuinely, I was struck

1134
01:06:39,095 --> 01:06:44,215
Speaker 6: by the quality of some of the small residential redevelopment

1135
01:06:44,295 --> 01:06:47,295
Speaker 6: happening right inside, you know, like within the avenues in

1136
01:06:47,415 --> 01:06:49,695
Speaker 6: christ Church, and so I spent a little bit of

1137
01:06:49,695 --> 01:06:51,255
Speaker 6: time I was driving around. I went for a bit

1138
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Speaker 6: of a walk through the city beautiful Wednesday morning, and

1139
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Speaker 6: one of the things that I noticed was that I

1140
01:06:58,015 --> 01:07:00,495
Speaker 6: use a lot of render in christ Church. And I

1141
01:07:00,575 --> 01:07:02,495
Speaker 6: mentioned this to Mike Olds, who's going to join us

1142
01:07:02,495 --> 01:07:05,855
Speaker 6: now when we were chatting the other day, Mike, greetings,

1143
01:07:05,855 --> 01:07:06,855
Speaker 6: welcome to the show.

1144
01:07:07,615 --> 01:07:08,455
Speaker 10: Warning Pete.

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01:07:08,855 --> 01:07:12,535
Speaker 6: So I was like quite, I was genuinely struck one

1146
01:07:12,575 --> 01:07:15,415
Speaker 6: by the quality of the work that I saw in

1147
01:07:15,495 --> 01:07:17,655
Speaker 6: christ Church. And then when I was looking at it,

1148
01:07:17,775 --> 01:07:21,975
Speaker 6: I realized they use a lot of render in christ Church, right,

1149
01:07:23,655 --> 01:07:25,375
Speaker 6: And you would have seen this, and I've seen some

1150
01:07:25,375 --> 01:07:28,255
Speaker 6: pictures from the Razine construction work that's going on down there.

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01:07:28,895 --> 01:07:31,375
Speaker 6: People are using it and the end result is I

1152
01:07:31,415 --> 01:07:32,975
Speaker 6: think it's beautiful.

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01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:37,335
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the part of it. I mean, the

1154
01:07:37,375 --> 01:07:41,855
Speaker 3: rebuild in christ Church has been it was a clean

1155
01:07:41,975 --> 01:07:46,895
Speaker 3: slate for the city in terms of and very few

1156
01:07:48,015 --> 01:07:51,695
Speaker 3: obviously cities have the opportunity as much as it's devastating

1157
01:07:52,855 --> 01:07:58,295
Speaker 3: initially to the community, but the opportunity for christ Church

1158
01:07:59,135 --> 01:08:06,295
Speaker 3: to get a really succinct, beautiful into interior city environs

1159
01:08:07,815 --> 01:08:13,855
Speaker 3: is pretty crazy. And when we looked at the and

1160
01:08:13,935 --> 01:08:15,615
Speaker 3: you look at the inner city now, I mean if

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01:08:15,655 --> 01:08:19,215
Speaker 3: you were down there even as as soon as five

1162
01:08:19,375 --> 01:08:22,095
Speaker 3: years ago, what you're what you're looking at now? I

1163
01:08:22,175 --> 01:08:27,055
Speaker 3: mean you saw the stadium going up the multi unit

1164
01:08:27,135 --> 01:08:30,615
Speaker 3: residential developments that are I think there was one there

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01:08:30,615 --> 01:08:36,095
Speaker 3: that we posted the other day around an Mr Street

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Speaker 3: on the corner of m R Street, as as one

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Speaker 3: in particular that we put up there on our Facebook

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01:08:44,255 --> 01:08:49,015
Speaker 3: was what it actually can ultimately become in terms of

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01:08:50,095 --> 01:08:54,535
Speaker 3: they're looking for low maintenance projects, are looking for performance

1170
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Speaker 3: in terms of acoustics because you're living in the inner city,

1171
01:08:56,575 --> 01:08:59,415
Speaker 3: so you want properties that are at nights and quiet

1172
01:08:59,495 --> 01:09:01,975
Speaker 3: even though you're living in that type of environment, which

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01:09:02,015 --> 01:09:04,455
Speaker 3: is which is quite difficult to achieve generally, so you're

1174
01:09:04,455 --> 01:09:11,415
Speaker 3: double glazing, there's absolutely imperative. The system that we use

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01:09:11,455 --> 01:09:14,175
Speaker 3: on that particular project was a lightweight concrete which has

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01:09:15,015 --> 01:09:17,655
Speaker 3: our integral panels, which has a very very good acoustic

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01:09:17,655 --> 01:09:23,495
Speaker 3: property as you're aware from tendancy walling external walling system,

1178
01:09:23,575 --> 01:09:25,735
Speaker 3: so it read dampens down a lot about the noise

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01:09:26,295 --> 01:09:30,695
Speaker 3: from just the general the strip down there obviously, which

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01:09:30,735 --> 01:09:32,975
Speaker 3: is party central for christ Church down by the Avon,

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01:09:33,655 --> 01:09:37,575
Speaker 3: but then moving just slightly out to sort of Latimers Square,

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Speaker 3: Cramma Square, all those sorts of areas, and they're really distinct,

1183
01:09:42,815 --> 01:09:46,975
Speaker 3: these projects. They're not the same same and that's one

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01:09:47,015 --> 01:09:49,735
Speaker 3: of the really cool things in christ Church is that

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01:09:50,055 --> 01:09:55,055
Speaker 3: they're not they don't all look the same, the architecture different,

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01:09:55,615 --> 01:09:59,215
Speaker 3: but they're incorporating a lot of features that has been

1187
01:09:59,335 --> 01:10:04,655
Speaker 3: raised recently in media around or in the construction sector alone,

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01:10:05,375 --> 01:10:08,615
Speaker 3: around the build up of heat and and things like

1189
01:10:08,655 --> 01:10:11,735
Speaker 3: that into into some of these new apartments are getting constructed.

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Speaker 3: And one of the one thing that struck me to

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01:10:16,255 --> 01:10:20,495
Speaker 3: talk with you the other day was that development, or

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01:10:20,495 --> 01:10:23,055
Speaker 3: that both those developments be put up on that Facebook

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01:10:23,895 --> 01:10:26,975
Speaker 3: had very small openings. They were deep recesses. They have

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01:10:28,055 --> 01:10:33,055
Speaker 3: external shading mechanisms, you know, large windows to sort of

1195
01:10:33,375 --> 01:10:35,735
Speaker 3: the southern southern sections of wall rather.

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Speaker 10: Than the northern walls.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, whereas when you get into your private

1198
01:10:40,215 --> 01:10:45,735
Speaker 3: residential single dwellings on large sites, we we like to

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01:10:45,775 --> 01:10:48,895
Speaker 3: have lots of windows to look out on things. And

1200
01:10:48,935 --> 01:10:51,975
Speaker 3: but that is obviously one way to let a lot

1201
01:10:51,975 --> 01:10:55,455
Speaker 3: of soul again into it into a property. But these projects,

1202
01:10:56,375 --> 01:10:59,055
Speaker 3: they've been quite clever about how they've they're going to

1203
01:10:59,055 --> 01:11:01,455
Speaker 3: minimize the amount of heat or film will load inside

1204
01:11:01,495 --> 01:11:05,135
Speaker 3: the buildings, which is yeah, it's it's impressive with what

1205
01:11:05,135 --> 01:11:09,495
Speaker 3: they're doing and hopefully the level of design and builds

1206
01:11:10,055 --> 01:11:13,735
Speaker 3: and quality down and christ jedge in the space will

1207
01:11:13,775 --> 01:11:18,895
Speaker 3: flow to other areas around the country when businesses have

1208
01:11:19,255 --> 01:11:23,455
Speaker 3: conferences and christ conventions center there and they're looking around

1209
01:11:23,615 --> 01:11:28,095
Speaker 3: as this is doing a benchmark for other urban developments

1210
01:11:28,575 --> 01:11:32,015
Speaker 3: in the country. So it's pretty exciting times down there.

1211
01:11:32,335 --> 01:11:34,335
Speaker 6: And that's what struck me is that, you know, I

1212
01:11:34,375 --> 01:11:35,895
Speaker 6: had a bit of time in the morning, I went

1213
01:11:36,255 --> 01:11:38,895
Speaker 6: grab some breakfast, I had to wander around and as

1214
01:11:38,935 --> 01:11:40,815
Speaker 6: I was driving through that in a city area, the

1215
01:11:41,215 --> 01:11:45,815
Speaker 6: apartment you know, the sort of medium density residential developments

1216
01:11:45,935 --> 01:11:49,415
Speaker 6: that like you say, there's the appearance and it's great

1217
01:11:49,455 --> 01:11:53,935
Speaker 6: that they look really beautiful and they're appealing to look at,

1218
01:11:53,935 --> 01:11:55,855
Speaker 6: but then when you look at it deeper and you

1219
01:11:55,895 --> 01:11:58,135
Speaker 6: go okay. So part of the reason maybe that they're

1220
01:11:58,215 --> 01:12:01,015
Speaker 6: using a rendered finish there is because underneath that we

1221
01:12:01,095 --> 01:12:03,415
Speaker 6: can do a clouding system like the Integral that's got

1222
01:12:03,415 --> 01:12:07,735
Speaker 6: really good acoustic pilus properties, or maybe we're using something

1223
01:12:07,735 --> 01:12:10,175
Speaker 6: that's actually thermally efficient because it does get cold in

1224
01:12:10,255 --> 01:12:12,775
Speaker 6: christ Church. And then we have also got something that

1225
01:12:12,895 --> 01:12:15,575
Speaker 6: in ten years time when we need to do the maintenance,

1226
01:12:16,015 --> 01:12:19,935
Speaker 6: is the maintenance is relatively straightforward, and so it's something

1227
01:12:19,975 --> 01:12:23,495
Speaker 6: that's easier to do often gets done, whereas the more

1228
01:12:23,535 --> 01:12:27,135
Speaker 6: complex claddings in some cases that require higher levels of maintenance,

1229
01:12:27,335 --> 01:12:29,735
Speaker 6: that gets put in the two hard baskets. So there's

1230
01:12:29,775 --> 01:12:32,575
Speaker 6: all of those elements are there in that clouding which

1231
01:12:32,855 --> 01:12:34,935
Speaker 6: you just look at and go, gee, that looks really cool,

1232
01:12:35,015 --> 01:12:36,775
Speaker 6: But there's a lot of thinking behind it, which I

1233
01:12:36,775 --> 01:12:38,855
Speaker 6: think is really exciting for christ Church.

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01:12:39,735 --> 01:12:40,735
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think.

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01:12:40,575 --> 01:12:42,415
Speaker 3: One of the other things when you look at some

1236
01:12:42,455 --> 01:12:45,375
Speaker 3: of these inner city projects that are getting developed, they

1237
01:12:45,415 --> 01:12:48,975
Speaker 3: are keeping the mix of exterior cloudings and connections and

1238
01:12:49,135 --> 01:12:54,255
Speaker 3: technical detailing. Yeah, yes, they're complex in some situations, but

1239
01:12:54,975 --> 01:12:59,255
Speaker 3: they are there to perform as well. So you're generally

1240
01:12:59,295 --> 01:13:04,855
Speaker 3: finding you've got maybe two maximum three external wall cloudings.

1241
01:13:05,895 --> 01:13:08,455
Speaker 3: Most of the stuff that we're seeing generally would have

1242
01:13:08,455 --> 01:13:11,575
Speaker 3: have two, so you'd have some sort of either stone,

1243
01:13:12,375 --> 01:13:17,575
Speaker 3: stone or timber or plaster as a dominant component, you know.

1244
01:13:17,695 --> 01:13:23,335
Speaker 3: So so keeping it reasonably clean and easier in terms

1245
01:13:23,335 --> 01:13:25,215
Speaker 3: of like you said, in terms of the maintenance in

1246
01:13:25,255 --> 01:13:29,415
Speaker 3: a few years, the body corporates that are looking after

1247
01:13:29,455 --> 01:13:33,855
Speaker 3: these projects only have to worry about two potential clading

1248
01:13:34,335 --> 01:13:39,535
Speaker 3: maintenance items rather than ten different plantings across the different units.

1249
01:13:39,535 --> 01:13:47,255
Speaker 3: They've kept them very simple yet yet quite classic and

1250
01:13:48,175 --> 01:13:53,215
Speaker 3: style wise empathetic, which is fantastic, you know. And I

1251
01:13:53,255 --> 01:13:56,655
Speaker 3: think that that's that these are important thoughts when not

1252
01:13:56,695 --> 01:14:04,135
Speaker 3: necessarily justin multi unit developments, but equally on individual properties.

1253
01:14:04,415 --> 01:14:08,135
Speaker 3: You know, be thinking about craky. If if I'm putting

1254
01:14:08,175 --> 01:14:11,295
Speaker 3: seedar up, I'm going to be needing to to soft

1255
01:14:11,415 --> 01:14:15,535
Speaker 3: wash and potentially restain that in five or five years,

1256
01:14:15,775 --> 01:14:19,695
Speaker 3: you know, to keep it looking good. Whereas if you're

1257
01:14:19,735 --> 01:14:24,695
Speaker 3: looking at something like a plaster surface, your rendered surface,

1258
01:14:25,695 --> 01:14:30,215
Speaker 3: you've got a big flat wall area that's reasonably young complex,

1259
01:14:31,775 --> 01:14:36,055
Speaker 3: and that is that you can maintain easily. And he's

1260
01:14:36,135 --> 01:14:39,615
Speaker 3: equally clean easily as well, you know. So it doesn't

1261
01:14:39,615 --> 01:14:43,175
Speaker 3: matter what you do on a build these days, you

1262
01:14:43,215 --> 01:14:47,175
Speaker 3: will always have maintenance. It's about don't leave it to

1263
01:14:47,215 --> 01:14:51,455
Speaker 3: the last minute. They be proactive with it. And and

1264
01:14:51,575 --> 01:14:55,255
Speaker 3: the long and the long term costs to support that

1265
01:14:55,295 --> 01:15:00,775
Speaker 3: type of quality of the build. It will endure for

1266
01:15:00,775 --> 01:15:04,015
Speaker 3: a lot longer, I mean, and part of our part

1267
01:15:04,015 --> 01:15:07,375
Speaker 3: of the appraisal process, we sit there with a minimum

1268
01:15:07,415 --> 01:15:10,895
Speaker 3: expected durability of thirty years. I mean, we've got we've

1269
01:15:10,935 --> 01:15:13,295
Speaker 3: been We've been here in New Zealand for in terms

1270
01:15:13,295 --> 01:15:16,535
Speaker 3: of the coding systems, in terms of the render for

1271
01:15:16,615 --> 01:15:20,575
Speaker 3: over thirty five now with some of the original projects

1272
01:15:20,935 --> 01:15:24,135
Speaker 3: standing that test of time beyond that period, which is

1273
01:15:24,175 --> 01:15:28,415
Speaker 3: which is great to see, you know. But every every

1274
01:15:28,495 --> 01:15:31,535
Speaker 3: every project and every every homeowner is different in terms

1275
01:15:31,575 --> 01:15:34,735
Speaker 3: of their take on how they look after things. But

1276
01:15:35,375 --> 01:15:38,615
Speaker 3: it's it should be reasonably straightforward process and some of

1277
01:15:38,615 --> 01:15:40,775
Speaker 3: the some of the performances coming out of these external

1278
01:15:40,775 --> 01:15:46,135
Speaker 3: planning systems as incredible and it was pleasing yesterday Pete

1279
01:15:46,175 --> 01:15:48,015
Speaker 3: to be sitting in this is in the suite of

1280
01:15:48,015 --> 01:15:54,855
Speaker 3: Building Surveyor's conference and thinking about how we can look

1281
01:15:54,895 --> 01:15:57,775
Speaker 3: at some of the things that even though the internal

1282
01:15:57,855 --> 01:16:00,855
Speaker 3: environment we have an impact on that. There was some

1283
01:16:01,215 --> 01:16:04,095
Speaker 3: really good discussions yesterday with that first session. We were

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Speaker 3: around ventilation systems, you know, trying to take some of

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01:16:10,095 --> 01:16:14,135
Speaker 3: that that heat out of the building or transfer ear

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01:16:14,255 --> 01:16:16,535
Speaker 3: through the building so you have a fresh air flow

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01:16:17,575 --> 01:16:22,015
Speaker 3: and it just reduces energy costs. It was incredible. We

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01:16:22,135 --> 01:16:25,055
Speaker 3: keep loading them, I think the general take on that discussion.

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01:16:25,095 --> 01:16:28,695
Speaker 3: We keep loading up insulation into buildings, but we're not

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01:16:28,735 --> 01:16:32,495
Speaker 3: actually managing it. That well, and it seems to be.

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01:16:33,415 --> 01:16:35,695
Speaker 3: And they were saying that we don't know what the

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01:16:35,735 --> 01:16:39,135
Speaker 3: benefit in terms of the resale value of properties that

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01:16:39,135 --> 01:16:43,855
Speaker 3: have got this passive house type construction methodology because the

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01:16:43,895 --> 01:16:45,215
Speaker 3: people don't sell them, they love them.

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Speaker 6: So it was a really good point by Joe yesterday. Yeah,

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01:16:50,175 --> 01:16:50,895
Speaker 6: really insightful.

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Speaker 3: So there's some exciting stuff to be combined with, not

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01:16:54,055 --> 01:16:56,975
Speaker 3: just the cloudings, but in terms of the general built environment,

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01:16:56,975 --> 01:17:00,895
Speaker 3: there's some exciting stuff happening and getting yeah, absolutely and

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01:17:01,135 --> 01:17:03,935
Speaker 3: getting that to the general consumer to ask these questions.

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01:17:04,135 --> 01:17:07,215
Speaker 6: Someone text me to say, Hey, make sure you wish

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01:17:07,295 --> 01:17:09,575
Speaker 6: Mike good luck for the golf today. I understand your

1303
01:17:09,575 --> 01:17:12,175
Speaker 6: tea time as tea off time is not too far away,

1304
01:17:12,215 --> 01:17:15,215
Speaker 6: so appreciate you taking the time before you jump onto

1305
01:17:15,215 --> 01:17:17,855
Speaker 6: the course. Good luck with the game today and and

1306
01:17:18,015 --> 01:17:21,335
Speaker 6: good catching up with you yesterday. Thanks all of this,

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01:17:22,695 --> 01:17:25,495
Speaker 6: All of this, boy, have a look actually at their

1308
01:17:25,535 --> 01:17:29,855
Speaker 6: stuff online because there's the technical stuff and the you know,

1309
01:17:29,895 --> 01:17:33,775
Speaker 6: the beautiful stuff effectively. So Razineconstruction dot co dot m

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01:17:34,015 --> 01:17:39,735
Speaker 6: Z and Mike was at the conference yesterday and there

1311
01:17:39,775 --> 01:17:43,215
Speaker 6: was a panel discussion at the beginning, particularly focused on

1312
01:17:43,415 --> 01:17:46,095
Speaker 6: H one changes and sort of three experts in the

1313
01:17:46,095 --> 01:17:49,575
Speaker 6: field talking about what they think the government is likely

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01:17:49,695 --> 01:17:53,375
Speaker 6: to do. Given that the consultation period for changes to

1315
01:17:53,695 --> 01:17:56,935
Speaker 6: H one of the Building Clothes Building Code has now

1316
01:17:57,055 --> 01:18:01,135
Speaker 6: closed and the government have come in saying we're going

1317
01:18:01,215 --> 01:18:03,935
Speaker 6: to make some changes, et cetera. Are going to have

1318
01:18:03,975 --> 01:18:06,615
Speaker 6: to announce what those changes are going to be. I

1319
01:18:06,655 --> 01:18:12,295
Speaker 6: would be very, very very surprised if they decided to

1320
01:18:12,415 --> 01:18:15,655
Speaker 6: wind back the requirements for H one. In fact, i'd

1321
01:18:15,655 --> 01:18:18,255
Speaker 6: think that's a retrograde step. But they will need to

1322
01:18:18,255 --> 01:18:22,855
Speaker 6: make some changes. Everyone's picking that potentially the schedule method

1323
01:18:23,055 --> 01:18:25,495
Speaker 6: will be the one thing that gets ditched, so it'll

1324
01:18:25,495 --> 01:18:30,535
Speaker 6: be calculation and modeling for most buildings going into the future.

1325
01:18:30,535 --> 01:18:32,615
Speaker 6: We can talk about that as well. But again, Mike

1326
01:18:32,655 --> 01:18:36,775
Speaker 6: Col's from Razine Construction, and part of that conversation was

1327
01:18:36,775 --> 01:18:39,375
Speaker 6: prompted simply by the fact that I was in Christchurch

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01:18:39,495 --> 01:18:42,615
Speaker 6: on Wednesday. I drove around the inner city. I was

1329
01:18:42,655 --> 01:18:47,815
Speaker 6: looking at some of the sort of medium scale residential

1330
01:18:47,855 --> 01:18:51,015
Speaker 6: developments and was struck one by the fact I think

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01:18:51,015 --> 01:18:54,855
Speaker 6: they've done a really good job, Like the buildings are attractive, appealing,

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01:18:55,695 --> 01:18:58,575
Speaker 6: but they also performed particularly well, and I noticed that

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01:18:58,655 --> 01:19:03,295
Speaker 6: a lot of them are using renders as an exterior cladding.

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01:19:04,255 --> 01:19:06,615
Speaker 6: Right HEO, We're going to take short break. Would like

1335
01:19:06,655 --> 01:19:08,455
Speaker 6: to join us. We've got some time to take your call,

1336
01:19:08,535 --> 01:19:10,575
Speaker 6: so if you've got a question, oh, eight hundred eighty

1337
01:19:10,615 --> 01:19:12,615
Speaker 6: ten eighty. I've got a bunch of texts that I

1338
01:19:12,655 --> 01:19:14,655
Speaker 6: need to answer as well. We'll be back straight after

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01:19:14,695 --> 01:19:18,015
Speaker 6: the break. Think squeaky door or squeakie floor.

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Speaker 1: Get the right advice from Peter Wolfcare, the resident builder

1341
01:19:21,695 --> 01:19:22,695
Speaker 1: on NEWSTALKSB.

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01:19:23,455 --> 01:19:25,535
Speaker 6: We have time for a few calls before the news

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01:19:25,535 --> 01:19:26,895
Speaker 6: top of the hour at eight o'clock, so I call

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01:19:27,015 --> 01:19:31,775
Speaker 6: us right now, Oh, eight hundred eighty ten eighty. Text,

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01:19:32,015 --> 01:19:36,735
Speaker 6: what causes cloudy areas inside double glazed windows that are

1346
01:19:36,775 --> 01:19:39,455
Speaker 6: only twelve months old? Can you recommend the glass specialist?

1347
01:19:40,255 --> 01:19:42,855
Speaker 6: I think the fact that the glazing this is double glazed,

1348
01:19:43,255 --> 01:19:46,175
Speaker 6: and I presume when you say it's cloudy, that's between

1349
01:19:46,255 --> 01:19:51,055
Speaker 6: the two layers of glass, right is I would be

1350
01:19:51,455 --> 01:19:54,495
Speaker 6: finding out who the manufacturer of the DG units, the

1351
01:19:54,495 --> 01:19:57,615
Speaker 6: double glazed units is and going directly back to them,

1352
01:19:57,695 --> 01:20:03,415
Speaker 6: because essentially it's a failure of the seal between the

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01:20:03,455 --> 01:20:08,535
Speaker 6: two panels, which is allowing some air and moisture inside,

1354
01:20:08,895 --> 01:20:11,655
Speaker 6: and then if you're seeing cloudiness or it might actually

1355
01:20:11,655 --> 01:20:15,735
Speaker 6: be condensation inside there, it's a failure of the DJ unit.

1356
01:20:16,895 --> 01:20:18,735
Speaker 6: From my experience, and I do quite a lot of

1357
01:20:18,735 --> 01:20:23,895
Speaker 6: work with metro performance glass. It's rare, but look, it

1358
01:20:23,935 --> 01:20:26,335
Speaker 6: does happen, and if it's twelve months old, i'd simply

1359
01:20:26,375 --> 01:20:28,575
Speaker 6: go back to the person that installed it. You should

1360
01:20:28,575 --> 01:20:31,975
Speaker 6: be able to track that back through invoices and so on.

1361
01:20:34,375 --> 01:20:36,695
Speaker 6: Quite a number of texts about water. This is a

1362
01:20:36,695 --> 01:20:40,855
Speaker 6: good one here in attacking any Sorry Taranaki, not takeing

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01:20:40,895 --> 01:20:44,255
Speaker 6: any it's just down the road in Taranaki, we're experiencing

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01:20:44,895 --> 01:20:48,175
Speaker 6: a drought and relying on tank water. So half a

1365
01:20:48,215 --> 01:20:51,135
Speaker 6: bucket of water between the instant gas hot water system

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01:20:51,335 --> 01:20:55,495
Speaker 6: and before it starts flowing warm or hot. That water

1367
01:20:55,615 --> 01:20:57,895
Speaker 6: is used to wash hands, water plants, top up the

1368
01:20:57,895 --> 01:21:01,095
Speaker 6: toilet system. Water collected while having a fast shower goes

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01:21:01,135 --> 01:21:04,655
Speaker 6: into the system and it's or it's saved for the

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01:21:04,695 --> 01:21:08,495
Speaker 6: floor or outside window washing and so on hand washing clothes.

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01:21:08,735 --> 01:21:11,735
Speaker 6: I found myself wishing I had an old agitator washing

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01:21:11,775 --> 01:21:15,655
Speaker 6: machine for the control I had over the water used well.

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01:21:15,775 --> 01:21:21,375
Speaker 6: I would imagine that a modern one is you know,

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01:21:21,615 --> 01:21:24,335
Speaker 6: users probably less water than the old agitator, remember those

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01:21:24,375 --> 01:21:26,895
Speaker 6: with the ringer on the top, and there was always

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01:21:26,895 --> 01:21:28,895
Speaker 6: that risk as you're trying to push the clothing. We

1377
01:21:28,975 --> 01:21:32,055
Speaker 6: had one when I was a kid at home, agitator

1378
01:21:32,175 --> 01:21:34,255
Speaker 6: washing machine with the ringer on the top. So you'd

1379
01:21:34,375 --> 01:21:38,215
Speaker 6: finished the washing, take the clothes ringing wet out and

1380
01:21:38,255 --> 01:21:40,855
Speaker 6: then pop them through that and man, if you didn't

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01:21:40,935 --> 01:21:43,415
Speaker 6: let go in time, your fingers were into the rollers.

1382
01:21:43,655 --> 01:21:43,815
Speaker 7: Right.

1383
01:21:43,815 --> 01:21:44,575
Speaker 6: We're back in just a.

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01:21:44,575 --> 01:21:48,015
Speaker 1: Second, helping you get those DIY projects done.

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01:21:48,175 --> 01:21:48,375
Speaker 3: Right.

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01:21:48,575 --> 01:21:52,575
Speaker 1: The resident fielder with peta wolf cat call oh eight

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01:21:52,775 --> 01:21:53,815
Speaker 1: youth talk zb.

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Speaker 6: Great text from Charlie. What's exterior renders? I think when

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01:21:58,815 --> 01:22:02,015
Speaker 6: my talking about it, essentially we're talking about coatings that

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01:22:02,055 --> 01:22:05,455
Speaker 6: are applied to the exterior of a building, so often

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01:22:05,495 --> 01:22:08,895
Speaker 6: over a substrate that might be masonry, might be lightweight concrete,

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01:22:08,975 --> 01:22:12,375
Speaker 6: might be polystyrene, might be five or cement sheet, so

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01:22:13,255 --> 01:22:16,495
Speaker 6: a coating, and then typically that's then waterproofed with a

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01:22:16,575 --> 01:22:18,775
Speaker 6: paint coating over the top, in the same way that

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01:22:18,815 --> 01:22:22,415
Speaker 6: you might do interior renders, which is a semtitious material

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01:22:22,495 --> 01:22:25,495
Speaker 6: applied to the wall, but it has to perform or

1397
01:22:25,615 --> 01:22:29,335
Speaker 6: doesn't have the same requirements as exterior render. Hopefully that

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01:22:29,415 --> 01:22:31,415
Speaker 6: makes that a little bit clearer. Right, we've got new

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01:22:31,455 --> 01:22:33,735
Speaker 6: sport and we're the top of the hour. Remember Red

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Speaker 6: client passed from eight thirty this morning here at Newstalks

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01:22:36,855 --> 01:22:38,095
Speaker 6: B Measure.

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01:22:37,815 --> 01:22:41,295
Speaker 1: Twys god was but maybe call Pete first, feed you

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01:22:41,455 --> 01:22:45,135
Speaker 1: ORGAF the Resident Builder News Talks B Well, good.

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01:22:45,055 --> 01:22:47,455
Speaker 6: Morning, welcome back to the program. It is coming up

1405
01:22:47,495 --> 01:22:50,215
Speaker 6: seven minutes after eight. Remember at eight thirty, the Red

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01:22:50,215 --> 01:22:52,215
Speaker 6: Climb pass will join us. We'll jump into the garden

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01:22:52,215 --> 01:22:54,895
Speaker 6: with Red from eight thirty. We'll take your calls. We've

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01:22:54,935 --> 01:22:57,095
Speaker 6: got a bunch of calls lined up. I just want

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01:22:57,135 --> 01:23:00,495
Speaker 6: to make it's funny how the show we often sort

1410
01:23:00,495 --> 01:23:02,495
Speaker 6: of develop a theme. I have no idea what that's

1411
01:23:02,535 --> 01:23:04,375
Speaker 6: going to be when I come in here at six

1412
01:23:04,375 --> 01:23:07,455
Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning. A lot of talk about water today,

1413
01:23:07,495 --> 01:23:10,375
Speaker 6: in terms of water conservation. I guess water leaks, because

1414
01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:12,615
Speaker 6: we talked a little bit about that water In terms

1415
01:23:12,655 --> 01:23:15,575
Speaker 6: of exterior cladding and ensuring buildings are weather tight. The

1416
01:23:15,615 --> 01:23:21,495
Speaker 6: other thing that I encountered this week was increasingly we're

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01:23:21,495 --> 01:23:27,215
Speaker 6: needing to do water tanks for either storage or stormwater management.

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01:23:27,335 --> 01:23:27,655
Speaker 5: I e.

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01:23:27,975 --> 01:23:30,175
Speaker 6: The water from your roof goes into a tank and

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01:23:30,175 --> 01:23:33,775
Speaker 6: then it disperses into the council stormwater line through a

1421
01:23:33,815 --> 01:23:38,095
Speaker 6: smaller orifice in the tank, which means that not all

1422
01:23:38,135 --> 01:23:40,055
Speaker 6: of the water that you collect goes out into the

1423
01:23:40,055 --> 01:23:43,575
Speaker 6: public line and overwhelms the line during heavy rain. And

1424
01:23:43,655 --> 01:23:46,415
Speaker 6: this is quite common now. So someone I know is

1425
01:23:46,495 --> 01:23:50,375
Speaker 6: doing a workshop. They wanted to put a water tank

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01:23:51,215 --> 01:23:54,015
Speaker 6: in the space between edge of the workshop and the boundary,

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01:23:54,455 --> 01:23:56,575
Speaker 6: and the council came back and said, no, you can't

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01:23:56,575 --> 01:24:02,895
Speaker 6: put a water tank there. Why not, Well because of fire. Okay,

1429
01:24:02,895 --> 01:24:05,455
Speaker 6: so just let that sit sit with you just for

1430
01:24:05,495 --> 01:24:10,015
Speaker 6: a second. You can't put something full of water in

1431
01:24:10,135 --> 01:24:14,055
Speaker 6: the space between a building and the boundary because they're

1432
01:24:14,095 --> 01:24:21,255
Speaker 6: worried about fire. And that was the general response from

1433
01:24:21,295 --> 01:24:25,535
Speaker 6: the council. So I rang a guy, David, who is

1434
01:24:25,575 --> 01:24:27,735
Speaker 6: at Bailey Water Tanks and said have you heard about this?

1435
01:24:27,935 --> 01:24:30,775
Speaker 6: And then there is and he said, yeah, this came up,

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01:24:30,815 --> 01:24:33,775
Speaker 6: but there's been a determination from inby that this is

1437
01:24:33,775 --> 01:24:37,375
Speaker 6: obviously nonsense. Right, So you can put a water tank

1438
01:24:37,415 --> 01:24:41,055
Speaker 6: there and it can be either a plastic or a

1439
01:24:41,095 --> 01:24:47,535
Speaker 6: metal tank. But it got me one, there's just such

1440
01:24:47,575 --> 01:24:50,775
Speaker 6: an absurdity around a council officer saying you can't put

1441
01:24:50,775 --> 01:24:53,975
Speaker 6: a water tank there because we're worried about fire. But

1442
01:24:54,055 --> 01:24:56,735
Speaker 6: also it got me into sort of the rabbit hole

1443
01:24:56,815 --> 01:25:01,735
Speaker 6: of reading determinations from Inby about building disputes. It's quite fascinating.

1444
01:25:01,775 --> 01:25:05,735
Speaker 6: So just quickly, if let's say you're involved with a

1445
01:25:05,775 --> 01:25:07,975
Speaker 6: building pro reject and it's got a consent and there

1446
01:25:08,015 --> 01:25:11,535
Speaker 6: is a disagreement around, you know, if your designer has

1447
01:25:11,535 --> 01:25:13,735
Speaker 6: said this is going to work and council have said no,

1448
01:25:13,775 --> 01:25:16,215
Speaker 6: we don't think it's going to work, or an individual inspectors,

1449
01:25:16,495 --> 01:25:18,575
Speaker 6: you can go for a determination. Right If you can't

1450
01:25:18,575 --> 01:25:20,775
Speaker 6: reach an agreement with discussion, you can go back to

1451
01:25:20,775 --> 01:25:25,055
Speaker 6: Inby and get a determination. And all of those determinations

1452
01:25:25,095 --> 01:25:28,535
Speaker 6: are available to read. So I read the one about

1453
01:25:28,575 --> 01:25:32,775
Speaker 6: the water tanks, and then I started reading determinations on

1454
01:25:33,615 --> 01:25:36,935
Speaker 6: tile showers and a whole lot of other things. I

1455
01:25:36,935 --> 01:25:39,535
Speaker 6: thought it was quite interesting. But the water tank one, jeers,

1456
01:25:40,215 --> 01:25:42,535
Speaker 6: we had a bit of a chuckle. We might we

1457
01:25:42,615 --> 01:25:45,815
Speaker 6: might get some expert opinion on that. But yeah, not

1458
01:25:45,855 --> 01:25:50,695
Speaker 6: putting a water tank in because of fire hard to imagine,

1459
01:25:50,735 --> 01:25:54,055
Speaker 6: isn't it. Right, Let's rip into it Tom Good morning,

1460
01:25:55,135 --> 01:25:55,935
Speaker 6: Good morning.

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01:25:55,695 --> 01:25:58,775
Speaker 2: Sir hold On. I've been listening to you often enough.

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01:25:58,775 --> 01:26:07,575
Speaker 2: But building has changed since learning it at certain tech

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01:26:07,695 --> 01:26:12,215
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifties. Yeah, because we did little buildings in

1464
01:26:12,255 --> 01:26:18,575
Speaker 2: those classrooms, little buildings. Yeah, when I built my house

1465
01:26:18,615 --> 01:26:21,015
Speaker 2: here sixty three years ago, they wanted them to keep

1466
01:26:21,055 --> 01:26:23,615
Speaker 2: bait feet off the boundary and that was for the

1467
01:26:23,615 --> 01:26:25,015
Speaker 2: fire truck to go down.

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01:26:24,975 --> 01:26:25,455
Speaker 6: To get down.

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01:26:25,575 --> 01:26:28,495
Speaker 2: Yep, that's what they said there. So I was wondering

1470
01:26:28,495 --> 01:26:32,895
Speaker 2: if that person who said fire wasn't entirely stupid.

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01:26:33,095 --> 01:26:36,735
Speaker 6: No. No, it's in terms of access to properties. Like

1472
01:26:36,775 --> 01:26:38,855
Speaker 6: if you're doing a development, you've taken off a house

1473
01:26:38,895 --> 01:26:41,375
Speaker 6: and you're putting a couple on, there are rules, planning

1474
01:26:41,455 --> 01:26:43,615
Speaker 6: rules around the width of the driveways and that sort

1475
01:26:43,615 --> 01:26:48,095
Speaker 6: of thing to get access. There's also rules around that

1476
01:26:48,535 --> 01:26:51,015
Speaker 6: if you've got a multi story building, even a three

1477
01:26:51,055 --> 01:26:55,255
Speaker 6: story residential building, what the route is from the furthest

1478
01:26:55,255 --> 01:26:59,495
Speaker 6: destination of the habitable space to the exit. So, if

1479
01:26:59,615 --> 01:27:01,215
Speaker 6: I think off from the top of my head, if

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01:27:01,215 --> 01:27:03,975
Speaker 6: it's something like seventy six meters, which is the length

1481
01:27:03,975 --> 01:27:06,175
Speaker 6: of a fire hose, then you don't need to have

1482
01:27:06,335 --> 01:27:09,335
Speaker 6: internal sprinklers. If it's more than that you might need to.

1483
01:27:09,695 --> 01:27:13,055
Speaker 6: So look, there's still regulations around fire and there should

1484
01:27:13,055 --> 01:27:17,295
Speaker 6: be right What I was what flabbergasted me, is this

1485
01:27:17,575 --> 01:27:19,975
Speaker 6: made of mine goes. I said, I wanted to put

1486
01:27:20,015 --> 01:27:23,495
Speaker 6: a plastic tank, which is absolutely fine in that space,

1487
01:27:23,655 --> 01:27:25,615
Speaker 6: and they said you can't do it, and the concern

1488
01:27:25,775 --> 01:27:26,895
Speaker 6: was fire and you just go.

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01:27:28,575 --> 01:27:30,935
Speaker 10: Right now? So what I rung up?

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01:27:31,335 --> 01:27:31,455
Speaker 3: Go?

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01:27:32,695 --> 01:27:35,015
Speaker 2: I have a tenth roof and right now I can't

1492
01:27:35,055 --> 01:27:37,575
Speaker 2: remember what you call them.

1493
01:27:37,575 --> 01:27:39,015
Speaker 6: Like corrgo dion or long.

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01:27:38,895 --> 01:27:45,215
Speaker 2: Run or no no no no no space put under

1495
01:27:45,255 --> 01:27:49,615
Speaker 2: a skillion roof skill and that's yeah, eighty five. You

1496
01:27:49,935 --> 01:27:56,175
Speaker 2: lose words. Now it's jibboard underneath that I'm looking at

1497
01:27:56,255 --> 01:28:01,055
Speaker 2: now Oregon beans and only two inches above that, I've

1498
01:28:01,055 --> 01:28:04,535
Speaker 2: got cisolation, yes, where the iron is there by the way,

1499
01:28:04,535 --> 01:28:06,775
Speaker 2: I haven't replaced the iron yet, and I'm going the

1500
01:28:06,775 --> 01:28:10,815
Speaker 2: way behind now. I was considering the fact that this

1501
01:28:10,975 --> 01:28:14,855
Speaker 2: fridge here has got only about one in one ince

1502
01:28:15,015 --> 01:28:20,175
Speaker 2: can I using this one in sinsulation polystyrene And you

1503
01:28:20,215 --> 01:28:22,735
Speaker 2: can't feel the temperature on our side except we're hitting

1504
01:28:23,055 --> 01:28:28,295
Speaker 2: and the hot water cylinders. Billy Muddin, it's polystyonne insulator too,

1505
01:28:28,535 --> 01:28:32,095
Speaker 2: and it's perfectly cold on the outside. I'm wondering why

1506
01:28:32,135 --> 01:28:36,735
Speaker 2: you need so many inches They keep saying add inches

1507
01:28:36,775 --> 01:28:39,455
Speaker 2: into when they're talking about six or eight inches in

1508
01:28:39,495 --> 01:28:43,775
Speaker 2: some buildings. So where are we on that right?

1509
01:28:46,135 --> 01:28:46,375
Speaker 5: Look?

1510
01:28:46,695 --> 01:28:50,255
Speaker 6: I mean, there are different insulating products out there, and

1511
01:28:50,335 --> 01:28:55,455
Speaker 6: some of them don't need the space of some of

1512
01:28:55,495 --> 01:28:58,495
Speaker 6: the you know, conventionally we're talking about insulation, which is

1513
01:28:58,655 --> 01:29:02,055
Speaker 6: a fiber or a wool or a polyester, and that

1514
01:29:02,135 --> 01:29:06,495
Speaker 6: relies on a certain depth in order to achieve an

1515
01:29:06,535 --> 01:29:10,815
Speaker 6: OUR value. There are other insulation products that a more dense,

1516
01:29:11,375 --> 01:29:14,495
Speaker 6: like the foam based or the polyurethane ones, which will

1517
01:29:14,495 --> 01:29:17,015
Speaker 6: achieve a similar R value, but they don't need as

1518
01:29:17,055 --> 01:29:19,295
Speaker 6: much space, so they might need three or four inches

1519
01:29:19,335 --> 01:29:23,095
Speaker 6: to achieve R let's say three, where another product will

1520
01:29:23,095 --> 01:29:26,055
Speaker 6: need six inches to achieve R three point two. And

1521
01:29:26,415 --> 01:29:28,775
Speaker 6: you know these are just rough figures, so you're right,

1522
01:29:30,015 --> 01:29:33,215
Speaker 6: one inch, yeah, I know, But the R value on

1523
01:29:33,255 --> 01:29:37,175
Speaker 6: the freezer when you look at it won't be that high.

1524
01:29:37,215 --> 01:29:40,095
Speaker 6: And also because it's a completely sealed unit and it's

1525
01:29:40,135 --> 01:29:43,735
Speaker 6: metal and so on, there'll be a whole lot of

1526
01:29:43,775 --> 01:29:48,215
Speaker 6: other factors involved that the basic principle is right. So

1527
01:29:48,495 --> 01:29:50,815
Speaker 6: if you've got not much space, then you might use

1528
01:29:50,855 --> 01:29:53,975
Speaker 6: a different type of insulation to achieve the R value.

1529
01:29:54,575 --> 01:29:56,615
Speaker 6: I would imagine in your roof as it is at

1530
01:29:56,655 --> 01:29:58,935
Speaker 6: the moment, with a scillion roof with some if it's

1531
01:29:58,975 --> 01:30:02,055
Speaker 6: got aluminium foil as an insulator, you know, it's probably

1532
01:30:02,055 --> 01:30:08,295
Speaker 6: only achieving be less than R one. Ideally. Well, the

1533
01:30:08,735 --> 01:30:11,055
Speaker 6: code with the schedule method, which hopefully is going to

1534
01:30:11,055 --> 01:30:14,935
Speaker 6: get ditch, would require you to have six point six

1535
01:30:15,615 --> 01:30:18,055
Speaker 6: if you didn't do some calculation or some model.

1536
01:30:19,095 --> 01:30:29,695
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's ridiculous, isn't it.

1537
01:30:29,775 --> 01:30:32,455
Speaker 6: If you were going to replace the roofing, you know,

1538
01:30:32,535 --> 01:30:35,415
Speaker 6: you could look at adding some insulation if you really

1539
01:30:35,455 --> 01:30:37,775
Speaker 6: wanted to make it, you know, lots of insulation. You

1540
01:30:37,815 --> 01:30:40,975
Speaker 6: could increase the depth of the rafters, repitch the roof

1541
01:30:40,975 --> 01:30:43,415
Speaker 6: and get more insulation, and you could lower the ceiling

1542
01:30:43,455 --> 01:30:44,735
Speaker 6: and get more insulation in that.

1543
01:30:45,215 --> 01:30:52,855
Speaker 2: Than you a little bit of and then but I

1544
01:30:52,895 --> 01:31:00,055
Speaker 2: insist on the isolation ye commercial buildings long long ago.

1545
01:31:00,295 --> 01:31:02,015
Speaker 6: If it works for you, Tom, it works for you,

1546
01:31:02,055 --> 01:31:04,695
Speaker 6: And that's that's lovely. And I really enjoyed the conversation.

1547
01:31:04,735 --> 01:31:06,815
Speaker 6: We're pretty busy, so I'm going to move on Serena,

1548
01:31:06,855 --> 01:31:07,655
Speaker 6: Good morning to you.

1549
01:31:09,255 --> 01:31:14,135
Speaker 9: Hello Serena, Yes, good morning, Good morning morning.

1550
01:31:15,215 --> 01:31:18,975
Speaker 15: I've just had a new side boundary fence built and

1551
01:31:19,455 --> 01:31:21,535
Speaker 15: I left it to the next door neighbors to do

1552
01:31:21,735 --> 01:31:25,175
Speaker 15: the quotes and all that. And when they've built it,

1553
01:31:25,335 --> 01:31:30,095
Speaker 15: they've actually moved it over to their side by twelve

1554
01:31:30,135 --> 01:31:35,335
Speaker 15: to fifteen inches, so I've got more property. But I

1555
01:31:35,455 --> 01:31:39,815
Speaker 15: don't want that because it's all in gardens and I

1556
01:31:40,495 --> 01:31:43,215
Speaker 15: know that I'm not happy about that. But he said,

1557
01:31:43,215 --> 01:31:46,935
Speaker 15: we've done it on the boundary peg that he said

1558
01:31:47,055 --> 01:31:52,935
Speaker 15: originally there was no boundary peg, so I don't know whether.

1559
01:31:53,855 --> 01:31:56,375
Speaker 6: But in the absence of a boundary peg, how do

1560
01:31:56,455 --> 01:31:57,815
Speaker 6: you know where the boundary is?

1561
01:31:59,055 --> 01:32:02,015
Speaker 15: That's right, I said to him, riding your mark where

1562
01:32:02,055 --> 01:32:07,735
Speaker 15: the original posts where and put them next door. If

1563
01:32:07,735 --> 01:32:09,935
Speaker 15: it wasn't in the same hole, he says, well, it

1564
01:32:09,935 --> 01:32:13,535
Speaker 15: wouldn't have been straight otherwise. The house is forty nine

1565
01:32:13,615 --> 01:32:17,375
Speaker 15: years old, and he said it was never built straight

1566
01:32:17,535 --> 01:32:20,855
Speaker 15: right from the start. I said, yes, it was because

1567
01:32:20,855 --> 01:32:23,455
Speaker 15: I haven't got a husband. Now he passed away, so

1568
01:32:23,575 --> 01:32:27,415
Speaker 15: I haven't got a mien to a cut from the south.

1569
01:32:28,895 --> 01:32:33,295
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, the fact that the neighbor

1570
01:32:33,455 --> 01:32:37,695
Speaker 6: has potentially put the fence onto their property and that's

1571
01:32:37,695 --> 01:32:39,535
Speaker 6: given you a bit of space. I know that there's

1572
01:32:40,135 --> 01:32:42,695
Speaker 6: a hassle in terms of well, I mean, you could

1573
01:32:42,775 --> 01:32:46,335
Speaker 6: say to the neighbor, look, the boundary is actually here.

1574
01:32:46,495 --> 01:32:49,655
Speaker 6: It's fifteen inches inside where your fences. That becomes your

1575
01:32:49,735 --> 01:32:53,615
Speaker 6: area to maintain. That's probably not a conversation that's going

1576
01:32:53,695 --> 01:32:57,375
Speaker 6: to go well. The other thing is that I you know,

1577
01:32:58,335 --> 01:33:01,375
Speaker 6: ideally in these situations, if you're replacing a boundary fence,

1578
01:33:01,415 --> 01:33:05,095
Speaker 6: you should really have the boundary determined, ideally by a surveyor,

1579
01:33:05,255 --> 01:33:09,095
Speaker 6: so in the absence of any pegs or markings, then

1580
01:33:09,215 --> 01:33:11,735
Speaker 6: you would get a surveyor in and then typically you

1581
01:33:11,815 --> 01:33:14,175
Speaker 6: try and line the fence up with the boundary, either

1582
01:33:14,215 --> 01:33:16,815
Speaker 6: straddling it or one of your agrees on which side.

1583
01:33:16,855 --> 01:33:19,695
Speaker 6: But the fact that they've chosen to do it inside you,

1584
01:33:20,015 --> 01:33:23,015
Speaker 6: have they asked for a contribution from you?

1585
01:33:23,015 --> 01:33:23,775
Speaker 2: No, I haven't.

1586
01:33:24,295 --> 01:33:27,655
Speaker 15: We were doing habs, but I haven't paid anything. He

1587
01:33:27,735 --> 01:33:30,215
Speaker 15: hasn't asked me to anything or signed anything.

1588
01:33:32,975 --> 01:33:36,055
Speaker 6: Unless they've done it in accordance with the Fencing Act,

1589
01:33:36,655 --> 01:33:39,335
Speaker 6: you may not necessarily need to pay. You may choose

1590
01:33:39,375 --> 01:33:42,255
Speaker 6: to pay, which is up to you. Maybe you're just

1591
01:33:42,335 --> 01:33:44,455
Speaker 6: going to take advantage of the fact that they've done

1592
01:33:44,455 --> 01:33:46,415
Speaker 6: a new fence. You haven't paid for it. You've got

1593
01:33:46,415 --> 01:33:48,215
Speaker 6: a little bit more space, and yes, it's a bit

1594
01:33:48,255 --> 01:33:52,295
Speaker 6: of work, but that might be I suppose that the

1595
01:33:52,295 --> 01:33:54,295
Speaker 6: thing would be is if you ever go to sell

1596
01:33:54,335 --> 01:33:56,975
Speaker 6: in the future, that you would want to make it

1597
01:33:57,015 --> 01:34:01,815
Speaker 6: absolutely clear to a potential purchaser that while that looks

1598
01:34:01,895 --> 01:34:04,415
Speaker 6: like that's part of my property, it's not. And the

1599
01:34:04,455 --> 01:34:07,535
Speaker 6: boundary might actually boundary fence might be in the wrong place.

1600
01:34:07,615 --> 01:34:11,735
Speaker 6: But otherwise it's yeah, it's a bit more work for you,

1601
01:34:11,775 --> 01:34:13,575
Speaker 6: but it might actually be a bit of an advantage,

1602
01:34:13,655 --> 01:34:15,855
Speaker 6: or you could see it that way. Good luck, Serena.

1603
01:34:15,975 --> 01:34:18,295
Speaker 6: It is eighteen minutes after eight. We are going to

1604
01:34:18,335 --> 01:34:20,615
Speaker 6: take short break. We'll be back with Graham straight after the.

1605
01:34:20,575 --> 01:34:23,855
Speaker 1: Break doing of the house sorting the garden. Asked Pete

1606
01:34:23,895 --> 01:34:27,215
Speaker 1: for a hand the resident builder with Peter wolfcap call

1607
01:34:27,455 --> 01:34:29,935
Speaker 1: eight hundred eight US dogs eNB.

1608
01:34:31,535 --> 01:34:34,495
Speaker 6: Some festinating texts coming on my comments about the water

1609
01:34:34,535 --> 01:34:37,415
Speaker 6: tank and the proximity to the boundary and the fact

1610
01:34:37,455 --> 01:34:40,015
Speaker 6: that this person had been was told that it couldn't

1611
01:34:40,055 --> 01:34:42,455
Speaker 6: be located between a building which was a meter from

1612
01:34:42,455 --> 01:34:47,175
Speaker 6: the boundary and the boundary this was for stormwater management

1613
01:34:47,255 --> 01:34:52,175
Speaker 6: and potentially for reuse because of fire. I mean, I

1614
01:34:52,215 --> 01:34:54,575
Speaker 6: get that there are rules around where you can play

1615
01:34:54,615 --> 01:34:56,535
Speaker 6: certain types of structures. A couple of people of text

1616
01:34:56,615 --> 01:34:59,815
Speaker 6: through that. You know, a plastic tank close to the

1617
01:34:59,815 --> 01:35:04,135
Speaker 6: boundary was classed as a building. The determination from MBY

1618
01:35:04,535 --> 01:35:07,295
Speaker 6: has said, you know, it's clearly not building, and also

1619
01:35:07,455 --> 01:35:11,295
Speaker 6: it's risk in terms of fire is very small. Some

1620
01:35:11,335 --> 01:35:13,615
Speaker 6: people have said, oh, look I've seen a tank that

1621
01:35:13,695 --> 01:35:18,055
Speaker 6: got struck by lightning and sort of exploded. Well, that'll

1622
01:35:18,055 --> 01:35:20,655
Speaker 6: happen in an incredibly rare chance. But in terms of

1623
01:35:20,735 --> 01:35:22,655
Speaker 6: you know, is it going to burn, well, No, it's

1624
01:35:22,695 --> 01:35:25,775
Speaker 6: full of water hopefully until it's dry. Even then it

1625
01:35:25,775 --> 01:35:28,575
Speaker 6: ain't going to burn very well. Twenty two minutes after

1626
01:35:28,735 --> 01:35:32,095
Speaker 6: eight and A Graham Good morning.

1627
01:35:32,975 --> 01:35:35,015
Speaker 10: Oh, good morning, Pete. Just a question.

1628
01:35:35,895 --> 01:35:41,055
Speaker 13: We're having some home alterations done. Architectorn plans, consent is

1629
01:35:41,055 --> 01:35:45,015
Speaker 13: all approved. I've gone out to three LBPS, and I

1630
01:35:45,095 --> 01:35:47,975
Speaker 13: just want to know how to read the quotes, whether

1631
01:35:48,015 --> 01:35:50,415
Speaker 13: a quote or is the same as an estimate, and

1632
01:35:50,615 --> 01:35:52,575
Speaker 13: watch my guarantee. They might say it's going to take

1633
01:35:52,615 --> 01:35:55,415
Speaker 13: two thousand hours, but it might end up both to

1634
01:35:55,535 --> 01:35:58,815
Speaker 13: twy two hundred what guarantee or who should I go

1635
01:35:58,895 --> 01:36:00,415
Speaker 13: to for advice on how to read these?

1636
01:36:02,295 --> 01:36:04,215
Speaker 6: Well, if you were sitting at the workshop that I

1637
01:36:04,255 --> 01:36:07,735
Speaker 6: was at yesterday listening to the Quantity Serve, the Quantity

1638
01:36:07,815 --> 01:36:10,655
Speaker 6: Survey would probably say you should come to me for

1639
01:36:10,735 --> 01:36:13,975
Speaker 6: that sort of advice. Right, this is their specialty. So

1640
01:36:14,535 --> 01:36:16,335
Speaker 6: you know, you've got a set of plans, you've got

1641
01:36:16,415 --> 01:36:19,695
Speaker 6: a scope of works, so you can say this is

1642
01:36:19,775 --> 01:36:23,015
Speaker 6: what I want you to do. Within that, you could

1643
01:36:23,095 --> 01:36:26,175
Speaker 6: list all of the things that you want them to price. So,

1644
01:36:26,375 --> 01:36:30,015
Speaker 6: for example, will you manage your subcontractors in terms of

1645
01:36:30,055 --> 01:36:33,015
Speaker 6: electrical or plumbing and painting and those sorts of things,

1646
01:36:33,175 --> 01:36:37,455
Speaker 6: or do you want the main contractor to provide pricing

1647
01:36:37,495 --> 01:36:41,335
Speaker 6: for all of those elements. So you'd want to be

1648
01:36:41,455 --> 01:36:44,375
Speaker 6: very clear around the scope of the work, the number

1649
01:36:44,375 --> 01:36:49,735
Speaker 6: of contractors subcontractors that the main contractor will employ. And

1650
01:36:49,775 --> 01:36:53,775
Speaker 6: then yes, if let's say it's a job of several months,

1651
01:36:54,295 --> 01:36:58,975
Speaker 6: are you asking the main contractor to provide you with

1652
01:36:59,055 --> 01:37:03,015
Speaker 6: a fixed quote for labor or are you happy to

1653
01:37:03,055 --> 01:37:05,255
Speaker 6: do that on a charge up basis? Right, so a

1654
01:37:05,295 --> 01:37:10,215
Speaker 6: cost plus basis on the basis that you agree to

1655
01:37:11,015 --> 01:37:14,735
Speaker 6: a certain number of hours, right, so you're protecting yourself,

1656
01:37:15,695 --> 01:37:19,255
Speaker 6: and yet it gives some flexibility to the contractor, particularly

1657
01:37:19,335 --> 01:37:23,575
Speaker 6: with renovations right where you know, maybe they'll uncover something

1658
01:37:23,615 --> 01:37:26,655
Speaker 6: that they're not expecting, or perhaps they lift the floor

1659
01:37:26,735 --> 01:37:29,815
Speaker 6: and discover that the joys are in poor condition and

1660
01:37:29,855 --> 01:37:31,775
Speaker 6: they need to be replaced. Now, if they've done a

1661
01:37:31,775 --> 01:37:34,575
Speaker 6: fixed price contract, they would need to come back to

1662
01:37:34,615 --> 01:37:37,495
Speaker 6: you and say this is a variation. You need to

1663
01:37:37,535 --> 01:37:40,255
Speaker 6: agree to the variation, they need to price it and

1664
01:37:40,295 --> 01:37:45,815
Speaker 6: then the work can continue. Or if it's a charge

1665
01:37:45,855 --> 01:37:49,335
Speaker 6: up basis, then you could say the contractor could say,

1666
01:37:49,375 --> 01:37:51,655
Speaker 6: I think it's going to take three men six months

1667
01:37:51,695 --> 01:37:54,935
Speaker 6: to do the job, and if you're still got guys

1668
01:37:54,975 --> 01:37:57,775
Speaker 6: on site in seven months, you could be saying why

1669
01:37:57,895 --> 01:38:01,255
Speaker 6: is it taking so long? If they happen to finish

1670
01:38:01,255 --> 01:38:04,215
Speaker 6: in five months, do you get a discount? You know

1671
01:38:04,255 --> 01:38:08,815
Speaker 6: you're not paying for them. But it then raises issues

1672
01:38:08,815 --> 01:38:10,935
Speaker 6: about you know, when do they arrive on site, how

1673
01:38:10,935 --> 01:38:12,975
Speaker 6: long do they have for lunch? When did they leave?

1674
01:38:13,255 --> 01:38:15,575
Speaker 6: Are the same number of guys on site every day?

1675
01:38:16,415 --> 01:38:21,255
Speaker 6: These things tend to get a bit complicated. So the

1676
01:38:21,335 --> 01:38:23,735
Speaker 6: other person who might be able to advise you on

1677
01:38:23,775 --> 01:38:28,095
Speaker 6: this is. Some architects will do supervision of the project.

1678
01:38:28,935 --> 01:38:32,255
Speaker 6: They often do that for a fee, but at least

1679
01:38:32,295 --> 01:38:36,655
Speaker 6: you'll get a professional sort of opinion as to how

1680
01:38:36,695 --> 01:38:39,055
Speaker 6: long it should take. In some cases the architects will

1681
01:38:39,055 --> 01:38:44,215
Speaker 6: approve the invoices, right, but there will again, I know

1682
01:38:44,375 --> 01:38:46,855
Speaker 6: architects who do this, but typically it's a fee of

1683
01:38:47,015 --> 01:38:49,015
Speaker 6: you know, somewhere between seven and ten percent of the

1684
01:38:49,015 --> 01:38:57,975
Speaker 6: build cost. Yeah, exactly. There is not actually one answer

1685
01:38:58,055 --> 01:39:00,855
Speaker 6: to your question. That's why I'm not being vague. I'm

1686
01:39:00,855 --> 01:39:02,735
Speaker 6: just saying there are so many ways of doing that.

1687
01:39:03,255 --> 01:39:05,055
Speaker 6: I've got friends who are doing a renovation. At the

1688
01:39:05,095 --> 01:39:08,695
Speaker 6: moment they've contracted builder. The builder is effectively on a

1689
01:39:08,815 --> 01:39:12,455
Speaker 6: charge up basis, but has given them an idea of

1690
01:39:12,535 --> 01:39:15,735
Speaker 6: how long they think it should take. So I guess,

1691
01:39:15,775 --> 01:39:18,695
Speaker 6: you know, if it's and when I had Cruise working,

1692
01:39:18,775 --> 01:39:21,215
Speaker 6: I would do it. I would often do my renovations

1693
01:39:21,255 --> 01:39:24,615
Speaker 6: on exactly that basis. I've worked out a schedule. I

1694
01:39:24,655 --> 01:39:26,895
Speaker 6: think that it's going to take four of us this

1695
01:39:27,055 --> 01:39:30,975
Speaker 6: long to do the job, and you know, hopefully the

1696
01:39:31,015 --> 01:39:35,655
Speaker 6: person is honest and realistic. They're not saying they'll do

1697
01:39:35,735 --> 01:39:37,975
Speaker 6: it in three months, knowing that it's a four months job,

1698
01:39:38,015 --> 01:39:42,215
Speaker 6: and you end up paying a lot of extra labor.

1699
01:39:43,655 --> 01:39:47,895
Speaker 6: You could manage the subcontractors, but then you become responsible

1700
01:39:47,935 --> 01:39:52,935
Speaker 6: for any delays. Right if you're managing the plumber, for example,

1701
01:39:52,935 --> 01:39:55,735
Speaker 6: because you know someone who's a plumber and they don't

1702
01:39:55,775 --> 01:39:58,575
Speaker 6: turn up then and the builders ready to line the wall,

1703
01:39:58,615 --> 01:40:00,415
Speaker 6: but the plumber hasn't turned up on time, then the

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01:40:00,415 --> 01:40:02,295
Speaker 6: builder is going to come back to you and go, well,

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01:40:02,295 --> 01:40:04,815
Speaker 6: my guys are sitting here waiting for someone that you

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01:40:04,855 --> 01:40:07,135
Speaker 6: should have organized. They're not here. We're charging you for

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01:40:07,175 --> 01:40:12,455
Speaker 6: this time, but we're not doing anything. You know, there's

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01:40:12,495 --> 01:40:13,575
Speaker 6: just not a straight answer.

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01:40:14,455 --> 01:40:16,775
Speaker 16: No exactly no, And I'm not trying to be difficult,

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01:40:16,775 --> 01:40:20,375
Speaker 16: it's just it does get complicated, particularly you know, if

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01:40:20,375 --> 01:40:24,015
Speaker 16: it's a you're doing a deck, right, deck is two

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01:40:24,055 --> 01:40:25,415
Speaker 16: weeks work for an average deck.

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Speaker 6: You can kind of ring fence that. But you know,

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01:40:29,215 --> 01:40:31,535
Speaker 6: we're knocking off a part of the building, we're going

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01:40:31,535 --> 01:40:33,775
Speaker 6: to add on, We're going to make some small changes

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01:40:33,815 --> 01:40:36,535
Speaker 6: to other parts of the house. It might the access

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01:40:36,615 --> 01:40:39,455
Speaker 6: might be difficult. All of these things come into play

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01:40:39,495 --> 01:40:40,775
Speaker 6: in terms of pricing a job.

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Speaker 13: And I think also The other thing that I would

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01:40:45,575 --> 01:40:48,415
Speaker 13: probably believe is that it's whatever the quoted figure is,

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01:40:48,415 --> 01:40:50,495
Speaker 13: it's going to be more than that, and.

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01:40:51,015 --> 01:40:53,095
Speaker 6: I think it's wise to have a contingency.

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01:40:53,855 --> 01:40:56,615
Speaker 10: Yeah, exactly, Well, a quantity We did get a quantity

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01:40:56,615 --> 01:40:59,215
Speaker 10: survey of price before we put it out to tender

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01:40:59,255 --> 01:41:01,295
Speaker 10: to three daughters, and they're coming in. But you know,

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01:41:02,175 --> 01:41:04,655
Speaker 10: the two that we've got already at different prices and

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01:41:04,695 --> 01:41:08,415
Speaker 10: this one more to come. So yeah, that's fine.

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01:41:08,695 --> 01:41:10,535
Speaker 9: Given that you've.

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01:41:09,895 --> 01:41:14,135
Speaker 6: Already engaged with the quantity surveyor who is obviously familiar

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01:41:14,175 --> 01:41:18,535
Speaker 6: with the plans, I think it's possibly good money to

1731
01:41:18,655 --> 01:41:22,295
Speaker 6: spend to pay the fee for the quantity surveyor to

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01:41:22,375 --> 01:41:24,455
Speaker 6: assess the quotes. Right, they'll be able to go through

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01:41:24,495 --> 01:41:26,415
Speaker 6: and go yep. All of these things are included. And

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01:41:26,415 --> 01:41:29,975
Speaker 6: it was part of the discussion yesterday is you know

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01:41:30,055 --> 01:41:33,175
Speaker 6: where what you don't want to see when you're a client,

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01:41:33,295 --> 01:41:35,495
Speaker 6: as someone gives you a quote, but there's lots of

1737
01:41:35,575 --> 01:41:39,055
Speaker 6: PC sums in there, or there's lots of you know,

1738
01:41:39,135 --> 01:41:43,215
Speaker 6: provisional sums in there for something that everyone knows what

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01:41:43,335 --> 01:41:46,135
Speaker 6: has to be done. Most things should be able to

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01:41:46,135 --> 01:41:50,575
Speaker 6: be priced accurately and a QS will be able to tell.

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01:41:50,455 --> 01:41:53,255
Speaker 10: You that much appreciated. Pete.

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01:41:53,375 --> 01:41:55,135
Speaker 6: Lovely to chat with you, and good luck with the build,

1743
01:41:55,175 --> 01:41:57,455
Speaker 6: and I hope it goes well, because when they go well,

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01:41:57,455 --> 01:42:02,535
Speaker 6: they're great. All the very best, you take care, all

1745
01:42:02,535 --> 01:42:08,135
Speaker 6: the fantastic conversation. Actually with this, you know, it seems

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01:42:08,175 --> 01:42:11,415
Speaker 6: like a relatively simple question, but it's not. It gets

1747
01:42:11,455 --> 01:42:14,175
Speaker 6: really complicated right out. We're going to jump into the

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01:42:14,175 --> 01:42:17,815
Speaker 6: garden red kline passed coming up straight after the break.

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Speaker 1: Whether you're painting the ceiling, fixing the fence, or wondering

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01:42:21,695 --> 01:42:23,735
Speaker 1: how to fix that hole in the wall, give Peter

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01:42:23,855 --> 01:42:27,975
Speaker 1: wolf Camp a call on eight eighty The Resident Builder

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01:42:28,015 --> 01:42:31,895
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01:42:31,935 --> 01:42:34,895
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