1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,400 Speaker 1: Right now anti Semitism. We've had the Australians come out 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: with a strategy. There are calls for one. Here. Debrah 3 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:08,760 Speaker 1: Hart is the chair of the Holocaust Center of New 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Zealand and is on the line. Hi Debra, Hi Ryan, 5 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: how are you good? Thank you? What would strategy actually do? 6 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: Is it really going to change anything? 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:24,600 Speaker 2: Well, it will if it is a clear, accountable package 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 2: with evidence driven strategies and has inclusive engagement and the 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 2: types of things that the Australian anti Semitism envoy are 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: very sensible and could be adopted here. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: You say in your statement that anti Semitism in New 12 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: Zealand has moved from being a fringe issue to a 13 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: mainstream one. What does that mean? 14 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: It means that Jewish people in New Zealand, many of 15 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 2: them are really scared. You hear Jewish people talking about 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 2: what's their plan be if it all turns to custard 17 00:00:59,640 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 2: here or who might hide them? They're seriously having those conversations. 18 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:07,039 Speaker 2: And I can give you some examples of the kinds 19 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 2: of things. 20 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: You're talking about. Who might hide them? Yes, in case 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: someone comes after them. 22 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 2: Yes, we have a family of a preschooler, a three 23 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:26,760 Speaker 2: year old was. His preschool teacher demanded of him to 24 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,959 Speaker 2: know if he was Israeli, and then she manhandled him 25 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: three separate times. That family was so scared that they 26 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 2: moved Feaes. We have Jewish students at universities who have 27 00:01:39,959 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: left their studies because campuses are so awful for them 28 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: that they just don't feel they can be there anymore. 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: The Holocaust Center of New Zealand regularly receives hate mail. 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: We regularly get told by public institutions that they can't 31 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: host us because they have security concerns that it will 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:06,200 Speaker 2: be unsafe for their staff and their institution, and they 33 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 2: don't want to pay for the security that would be required. 34 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 2: We have had assaults, assaults of children, assaults of adults. 35 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 1: Debrah, I'm getting loads of texts. You can imagine. The 36 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: gist of it is. Many people speaking out against the 37 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: actions of the IDEF in Palestine are being labeled antisemitic. 38 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: They are using this as a shield. Is saying stop 39 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: killing Palestinians antisemitic. 40 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: No, not at all. It's not anti submitic to criticize Israel, 41 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: but it is antisemitic to hold Jews in New Zealand 42 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 2: accountable for the Israeli government and what's happening in data. 43 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: You can have whatever views you like about about Israel 44 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 2: and about the Palestinian course. Goodness Jewish people do, but 45 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: there are some lines that you that you can't cross, 46 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: and you shouldn't be making Jewish people here responsible for 47 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 2: what is happening. What's happening in Gaza and what we're 48 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: seeing at the moment is really a ramping up of 49 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: rhetoric and hate directed at the Jewish community, and there 50 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: are real world consequences that for Jewish people living in 51 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: this country. 52 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: Debra hartch He at the Holocaust Center of New Zealand 53 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: says it has to stop. 54 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplessy Allen Drive. 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