1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southerby's International Realty, a name 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally. Either I'm thrilled with 3 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: Alfreingnado or joining New Zealand First. Have gotten to know 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: him on Monday night shows with Family First. I'm in 5 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: my early thirties. You will come back to that New 6 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Zealand First stuff and just to tick with us right 7 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: now in the huddle though. Tris Sheerson of Sheerson Willis 8 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: PR and Joseph Acganni, the chief executive of Child Fund 9 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:24,119 Speaker 1: High Ladies. Hi, right, jose you worried about the FIST 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: rating downgrade for the outlook. 11 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: I just think it buys into that whole narrative we've 12 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: got at the moment of right track, round track. The 13 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 2: country's headed in the wrong direction, and you're right, business confidence, 14 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: voters confidence. It's all to do with perception, isn't it. 15 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 2: And it's just this feeling now that we've been given 16 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: a warning and you know it could be a downgrade. 17 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: And I think that's where I mean, I know we're 18 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 2: going to talk about it, but I think that's the 19 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: problem with the government that they haven't managed the difficult stuff, 20 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 2: the trade offs the difficult storyline that things are hard, 21 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: times are tough, even before you know Trump's epic face 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,119 Speaker 2: plant excursion into a run, haven't managed the sense that 23 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: these are tough times. Growth's gonna happen, you know, slowly, 24 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: it's not going to happen straight away. So as a result, 25 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: things like this just feed into that feeling we've got 26 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 2: that you've over promised and you're under delivered. 27 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: We'll just say it, Josie, And you're actually not that 28 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: good at running the finances of the country like you 29 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: say you are. 30 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, yes, I mean, I think it sort of 31 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: came also in line with the piece I saw from 32 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 3: Luke Malpass over the weekend, actually digging under the hood 33 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 3: of have we actually reduced debt like we've said we have, 34 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 3: have we reduced spending? And the numbers don't match up 35 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: with the spin that's been going on. And I think 36 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 3: what's happening here is that you can't bullshit the ratings agencies, right, 37 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: they look at the numbers, and I think, in fact, 38 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: this is a good thing because it's putting the government 39 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 3: on notice you have to be getting on top of debt, 40 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: and that's not what's happening and it's also a message 41 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: even though we are in a crisis, there is always 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 3: a crisis when you're in the government, and it doesn't 43 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 3: mean you can take your foot off the break of 44 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: the longer term stuff. And goodness knows. Ian Rennie, the 45 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: head of the Treasury, I think, has been doing a 46 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 3: fantastic job going around and being the adult in the room, 47 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 3: and he is really calling out this big stuff. He's 48 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 3: talking about where we headed in twenty thirty, if we 49 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 3: don't get on top of our debt, if we don't 50 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 3: tackle the big elephants in the room, like how we're 51 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 3: going to manage super And the interesting thing about Ian 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 3: Rennie is that he's actually been pretty politically agnostic. 53 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 2: Right. He's saying, there's two things you can do. Either 54 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: you cut more spending or you tax more. And those 55 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 2: are political decisions, right, and so he's not saying do 56 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: one or the other, but he is saying, you know, 57 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 2: for example, you look back on the first year of 58 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 2: this government and the first thing I did was a 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 2: tax cut. Now you know, you guys might go, great, 60 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: a tax cut, that's fantastic like that, but when it's 61 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,800 Speaker 2: paid for out of debt, all it's doing is increasing. 62 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: And be fair, it was okay at the time because 63 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 1: we actually thought they were going to follow through with 64 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 1: their spending cuts stuff as well, and then they didn't. 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: But also they suggested a whole lot of spending cuts 66 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 2: around the public sector. But what they didn't do was 67 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 2: look at why the public sectors. Well, I mean, you're right, 68 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: I mean maybe it wasn't enough, but it wasn't. The 69 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: point is they didn't do that thinking about why is 70 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: the public sector not delivering what we need it to. 71 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: It's not just that it's got too many stuff, it's 72 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 2: actually that it's got a culture of risk averse, you know, 73 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: not taking, not actually innovating. 74 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: Not you need protest of ideas, so you. 75 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 2: Need proper reform. It's not just about cutting spending and 76 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: then you maybe have more growth. 77 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, and let's be clear, the really frightening stuff is 78 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 3: the fact that we are now reliant on that because 79 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 3: we're borrowing so much every day, we are actually reliant 80 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 3: on the world to be funding us. So that that means, 81 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: you know, again when we when we get tough stuff happening, 82 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 3: makes it even harder for us. 83 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: How do you feel, because Trisha, I'm quite cross about 84 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: lending to a profitable business like Meridian millions and millions 85 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: and millions of dollars to build EV charges that they 86 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: don't want to fund themselves. We're giving them free money. 87 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 1: It's not free money. We're paying for it because we 88 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: have to pay the interest on this. This, I think 89 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 1: is part of the problem. Is this corporate welfare at 90 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: a time when we're borrowing. 91 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: I would agree with that. I saw that announcement today 92 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: and again I thought this, if you know, don't forget this. 93 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 3: Government came in and whether you're into it or not, 94 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 3: but they wound back all of the progress around EV's right. 95 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,160 Speaker 3: So they got rid of the EV discount, which sent 96 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 3: a signal to the market at that set they and 97 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: they took the tax off off the yats, so sent 98 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 3: a signal to the market to say, hey, EV's are out, 99 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 3: get back into petrol and diesel, which people have done. 100 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: You only need to look at the sales numbers then 101 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 3: to come in now and say hey, we've got was 102 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 3: it fifty million to fund EV charges up and down 103 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 3: the country. That is not a crisis intervention. That is 104 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 3: something that you do. Again, this is building critical infrastructure 105 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: for New Zealand. It's a long term investment. You don't 106 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,720 Speaker 3: suddenly pop up in a crisis. And none of today. 107 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 3: There is nothing in today's announcement that is going to 108 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,559 Speaker 3: help the supermarket worker or the factory worker who can't 109 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 3: afford people to be the management. 110 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: But I want you your take on it, Joseph. But 111 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: we'll just get it after the break. I hang on 112 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,600 Speaker 1: a teaketok the huddle with. 113 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, the only truly global brand. 114 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Right back with the huddle, Trisius and Josephgani, Josie, what 115 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: do you say? 116 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 2: Oh, I want to start a campaign no rationing and 117 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 2: no bloody EV subsidies stop it. We've had it. We've 118 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 2: had enough of that. Just Cinda are doing. Government's phoned 119 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,719 Speaker 2: and they want their EV subsidies back, but. 120 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: Old stop doing. 121 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: Three of us here at the table, and none of 122 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 1: us love this announcement today. So who does it appeal to? 123 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: So I think, and I think this is something we're 124 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,159 Speaker 2: just talking about in the break, and you said it, Trisha. 125 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 2: I think that this is the problem the government's got. 126 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 2: It's kind of and I'm quoting you, untethered by ideology 127 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 2: and so they're pivoting just in the way that the 128 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 2: Labor government did so one thing, barking at every car. 129 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: So I don't know what they. 130 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: But this is like, this is like something that was 131 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,719 Speaker 1: on the bonfire of ideas that's come back. Isn't it 132 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: like they ditched and then brought it back. 133 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. So they're going from one thing they think, oh, 134 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 2: this will be popular evs and look, you know, fabea, 135 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 2: I'm meant to be the lefty on this side, but 136 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 2: I'm saying it's not not left wing to say, let 137 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 2: the market decide if EV's are going to be popular, 138 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,240 Speaker 2: and if then you need charging stations, let Meridium pay, 139 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 2: Let the private sector pay. Unless if you're going to 140 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 2: give Tesla drivers a subsidy, then they can give way 141 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: to me at every blooming intersection in New Zealand. If 142 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 2: they're going to get yet another subsidy. 143 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:41,719 Speaker 1: Fair enough, they have to go last on everything. Okay, 144 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: this brings us the entrish to New Zealand. First, if 145 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 1: National's problem is that it doesn't know what it stands 146 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: for anymore, and it's going flip flopping all over the show, 147 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: including the roads of national significance, potentially today flip flopping 148 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 1: all over, here comes New Zealand First to cut its 149 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: conservative lunch right. This is why New Zealand First is 150 00:06:59,040 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: going to do well. 151 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: Well. Let's remember, in thirty years of MMP elections, which 152 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 3: the anniversary is this is this election, we have never 153 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 3: seen a minor party in a coalition agreement whose vote 154 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: is increasing at this time of an election cycle. So 155 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: New Zealand First, traditionally it has been a huge dragon 156 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: its popularity whenever it's gone into government. I think the 157 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: difference this time round is that, as we've said, National, 158 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: in trying to appeal to everybody and be the quote 159 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:38,760 Speaker 3: party of the consumer, they have lost their call vote. 160 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: You know, business. 161 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 3: Particularly they don't know what to trust in National because 162 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 3: they are ideologically sort of untethered to what you would 163 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: traditionally expect from National. They are not winning other votes. 164 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 3: They've got a big problem with the woman's vote. 165 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: We know that. 166 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: New Zealand First is making strides because they they unlike 167 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: Labor National, they are actually connecting with voters. If you 168 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: watched that speech yesterday and I did in an hour 169 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 3: and a half in I have to admit I fell asleep, 170 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 3: but it was only because it was ten thirty at night. 171 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 3: But I have been to the State of the Nation 172 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: speech this year. I was in the room for Luxen 173 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: and for Hipkins, and you could have heard a pin 174 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 3: drop yesterday. The difference with Winston he didn't have an AUTOQ. 175 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 3: He was talking directly to his audience, old school off notes. 176 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: He built in, you know, jokes that no one else 177 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: would get away with. But one of the bangers that 178 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 3: just made me laugh. He said, you know, the union 179 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 3: people these days have never done a hard day's work 180 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 3: in their life. And in fact, they would think Manual 181 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: Labor was a Mexican president. Which and how long as 182 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,079 Speaker 3: has it been since you heard the crowd at a 183 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 3: political meeting constantly saying here, here, yeah, and you know, 184 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 3: and he was. He had that crowd absolutely alive. So 185 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,599 Speaker 3: they have got the kind of connection that Labor and 186 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 3: National can only dream about. Whether or not you agree 187 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 3: with what's Winston saying, he is saying stuff that people 188 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: can actually connect with. He's not mincing, it's not weser words, 189 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 3: he's not, you know, giving off these sort of terrible, 190 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 3: stale key messages. So it is no wonder they are 191 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 3: on an absolute tear. 192 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. If you think why 193 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 2: Trump was so successful when he won the election that 194 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,600 Speaker 2: you know, everyone sayd my god, he doesn't make any sense. 195 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: He's weaving, he's sort of swaying to YMCA and so on. 196 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 2: What Winston does is he just he doesn't talk. I mean, 197 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: he's the most establishment politician in Parliament. Doesn't talk like 198 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 2: an establishment politician. So he tells jokes like that. And 199 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 2: I also think he's going. He's they've found a really 200 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 2: good niche. It's not just that they're sweeping up some 201 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: national refugees. They're also sweeping up some labor disenfranchised votes 202 00:09:55,160 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: who are going and also Pacific Islanders right conservative, religious, Christian, 203 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,079 Speaker 2: socially coned. I think socially conservative is what we're talking 204 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 2: about here, right because what New Zealand first, and I 205 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: would say this is Shane as much as Winston. What 206 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 2: they've done is they've also owned that territory about reindustrializing 207 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 2: New Zealand. We're going to return, we're going to reverse 208 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 2: the de industrializer, the good old of New Zealand. Then 209 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: we're going to get back to manufacturing. Who doesn't like that? 210 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: Well? Winston, interestingly, he spent at least twenty minutes of 211 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 3: that speech hitting directly to labor voters who are disenfranchised. 212 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 3: He's making a huge move on them. 213 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 2: He actually named them labour voters. Come, You're welcome. 214 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 3: Over here, and the other thing that he's doing. To 215 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 3: your point about Trump, Josie, he is completely reflecting to 216 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:47,439 Speaker 3: voters the anger and worries that they feel right now. 217 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 3: That is why he's connecting with them. 218 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: One thing he's got to be careful about is we're 219 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: peak woke. Glad it's over. I don't want the reverse, 220 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 2: which is the conservative version of a woke fight in 221 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 2: a culture battle, the pendulum swing. Guys, it's good to 222 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 2: talk to you. Thank you, fascinating, so much to talk about. 223 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: That's a huddle this evening, Tritan Josie. 224 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: Obviously. 225 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 226 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: news Talks. 227 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,239 Speaker 1: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 228 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: on iHeartRadio.