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Speaker 1: In order to general support into schools. Spending raised a

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Speaker 1: few questions some schools. Turns out, I've been spending tens

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Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars on things like parties and private cars.

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Speaker 1: Chris Ambercrombie is the president of the Post Primary Teachers

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Speaker 1: Association and as well as Chris morning.

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Speaker 2: To you, good morning.

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Speaker 1: Are there rules around this, good clear, clean rules that

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Speaker 1: have been broken? Or is it all a bit fluid?

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Speaker 2: It can be a bit fluid. There are some, you know,

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Speaker 2: the rules that should be followed. There are some rules

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Speaker 2: about stuff, but some of these things are a wee

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Speaker 2: bit fluid.

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Speaker 1: Yes, okay. So breen Bay College was the example given

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, ten thousand, six hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 1: dollars on a leaving party. I mean, is it fluid

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Speaker 1: enough for that or is that ridiculous?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's up to the school to decide that. There's

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Speaker 2: one of the things about South governor schools that order

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Speaker 2: to make recommendations around it. But the school, if they

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Speaker 2: feel that it's appropriate, can do that.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So where does that money come from? In? What

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Speaker 1: budget is it and what expectation generally would there be

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Speaker 1: on what it's spent for.

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Speaker 2: So it could be donations, it could be ops, grand

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Speaker 2: it could be locally raised funds, it could be in

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Speaker 2: many ways that money comes in. And it should be about,

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Speaker 2: you know, improving educational outcomes for young people, but also

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Speaker 2: about recognizing the skill set of teachers. One of the

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Speaker 2: other ones was about a car. That's not an unusual

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Speaker 2: thing in schools. I mean, I've worked at a school.

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Speaker 2: We had a school car that we drove places for

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Speaker 2: professional development and meetings, et cetera, to save on one

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Speaker 2: taking their own car. So some of these things are

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Speaker 2: sort of a slight beat up. Some of them probably needed.

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Speaker 1: How you would defend maybe the party you wouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think about the jackets as well. That's

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Speaker 2: not an unusual thing to have jackets for teachers for

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Speaker 2: doing professional for doing duty at lunch times, for school trips,

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Speaker 2: for sports quadaments, et cetera. It's not an unusual thing

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Speaker 2: for schools that have happened. So some of these things

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Speaker 2: I think probably a bit of a beat up some

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Speaker 2: of them. Maybe schools need to have a reflection.

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Speaker 1: And when you get a report like this, does a

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Speaker 1: top down message go around to people saying, hey, here's

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Speaker 1: a few examples, we're a bit worried about let's tighten

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Speaker 1: things up or do we just carry on as per

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Speaker 1: There'll be.

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Speaker 2: The definitely some discussions. There'll be three reminders from the

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Speaker 2: school Boards Association about expectations about the rules. Some of

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Speaker 2: these things probably would have been within the rules. They

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Speaker 2: just didn't follow the rules of that makes sense, So

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Speaker 2: they have to get something called concurrence from the Ministry.

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Speaker 2: They probably just didn't do that part when they should.

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Speaker 1: I have Okay. The other thing, Ministry of Education grants of

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Speaker 1: up to twelve thousand dollars six points something million dollars

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Speaker 1: for five hundred odd schools for twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 1: Principles were able to get up to six thousand dollars each.

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Speaker 1: Is this a thing that's been going on, But it's

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Speaker 1: one of those funds you can do with whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So for at the start, there was very little

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Speaker 2: guidance about that fund, so it was effectively Principles to

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Speaker 2: do as they sat about their well being. And then

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Speaker 2: there was some guidance that came out later on about it.

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Speaker 2: So there was a bit of a lag. And the

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Speaker 2: rules on that one was.

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Speaker 1: That the Labor government Treat Yourself campaign post COVID was

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Speaker 1: that that one.

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Speaker 2: A little bit of that, Yeah, so there was a

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Speaker 2: little bit of that, but there was also supporting principles

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Speaker 2: in their well being and professional or development, so there

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Speaker 2: was some options available to them, but there weren't many

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Speaker 2: rules about it at the start, but then rules came

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Speaker 2: out about it later on.

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Speaker 1: Chris, good to talk to. You appreciate it very much,

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Speaker 1: Chris aver Crombie. The brim Bay College ten thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: further five thousand, six hundred spent on jackets for stuff.

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Speaker 1: The jackets a thing. So if you're a teacher, you

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Speaker 1: go to work and you're expecting to stand the rain

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Speaker 1: at crossing time, is it your responsibility to have a

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Speaker 1: jacket or is it the school's responsibility to provide you

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Speaker 1: one twenty four thousand bream Bay seem to have been

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Speaker 1: highlighted over the weekend. The principal justifies the twenty four

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Speaker 1: hundred and twenty six dollars on gifts and party underpins

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Speaker 1: the school's values of Manati Tonga.

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