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Speaker 1: Now the Justice Minister is heading back a criticism over

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Speaker 1: the gang patch law. The criticisms cropped up after a

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Speaker 1: judge gave a confiscated patch back to among the mob

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Speaker 1: member because of Tea Kanger. Paul Goldsmith is the Justice

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Speaker 1: Minister and with us, Hey.

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Speaker 2: Paul, Good afternoon, Heather. Yes, how are you?

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Speaker 1: You sound like you're worried about what's going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, obviously, look the fastest way for a

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Speaker 2: Minister of Justice to get sectors to criticize individual judges decision.

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Speaker 2: So I'm not going to be doing that or commenting

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Speaker 2: on it.

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Speaker 1: I no, I won't ask you to. What I want

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Speaker 1: to know is whether you're going to change the law

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Speaker 1: to force the destruction of the patches so they can't

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Speaker 1: be handed back.

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Speaker 2: Well, if we need to, we will. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 2: there's a legal process to go through. It may be appealed,

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Speaker 2: I don't know, And so we'll wait and see how

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Speaker 2: that all plays out, and if we find that we've

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Speaker 2: got a problem with the legislation, and we'll fix it.

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Speaker 2: But you know, it's been very successful in a large

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Speaker 2: number of cases so far, and certainly send out a

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Speaker 2: clear message and I think everybody in the community has

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Speaker 2: seen the difference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we know that, we know that, and I

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Speaker 1: mean this is one judge and on one mong the member.

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Speaker 1: But when you warned that this might happen if you didn't,

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Speaker 1: if you didn't destroy the patches.

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Speaker 2: Well, I look, I mean we passed the legislation. We

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Speaker 2: think it's very clear, and so you know there's a

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Speaker 2: broader issue around Well, I mean, look, it's an issue

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Speaker 2: that an individual judge makes a decision. I can't comment

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Speaker 2: on that. I'm not going to comment on that, and

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Speaker 2: so I've just stopped talking before I do.

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Speaker 1: Do you make fair enough? Do you make the decision

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Speaker 1: as to whether appeal, whether to appeal or is that no?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, that's again totally independent. That's up to

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Speaker 2: the police, I suppose.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, now listen on another subject. You're making some

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Speaker 1: changes to help event organizers get liquor licenses.

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Speaker 2: What are you doing well, I mean, last week we

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Speaker 2: announced our creative strategy, which has got two elements to it.

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Speaker 2: We want to increase the number of New Zealanders engaging

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Speaker 2: with the arts and the creative sector more generally. And

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Speaker 2: then secondly, we want to make more money out of

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Speaker 2: the arts, and it's a potentially big export area for

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Speaker 2: the country and so forth. And you know, one of

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Speaker 2: the things that we sometimes don't recognize as many people

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Speaker 2: in the creative sector generally small businesses trying to make

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Speaker 2: a buck, and it's no different to any other business.

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Speaker 2: We want to make life a bit easier for them.

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Speaker 2: And I remember saying talking to an arts audience and

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Speaker 2: somebody saying, well, you know, actually, the most useful thing

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Speaker 2: you can do for me, I'm a music promoter and

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Speaker 2: I have sections make it not so goddamn hard to

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Speaker 2: get a let a license for a special concert that

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Speaker 2: I'm putting on. And so we responded to that, and

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Speaker 2: so now the legislation that's coming to be coming through

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Speaker 2: will when it comes to a large scale event, will

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Speaker 2: increase it from four hundred people to two thousand people

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Speaker 2: before you have to go through an event management plan

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Speaker 2: and then we'll have you only have to do it

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Speaker 2: if it's based on a risk framework and basically just

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Speaker 2: try and take out some red tape for people just

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Speaker 2: trying to get a group of people together, recognizing that

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Speaker 2: when you listen to music, having a party sometimes it's

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Speaker 2: quite nice to have a beer.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes it is. Thank you, Paul, I appreciate it. Paul Goldsmith,

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