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Speaker 1: Now a Kiwi dad has found himself in an unexpected

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Speaker 1: bureaucratic nightmare trying to get his kid's New Zealand citizenship.

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Speaker 1: John Briars Ruddock's great grandfather was an all Black, his

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Speaker 1: mother was a Maori singer Ronda Bryars, and his ancestors

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Speaker 1: signed the Treaty of Whitehangy. But John himself was born overseas,

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Speaker 1: and so when he moved back to New Zealand and

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Speaker 1: April with his three kids, he found out it's a

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Speaker 1: pretty lengthy and expensive process to get them their citizenship.

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Speaker 1: And John is with me. Now, hey, John got John.

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Speaker 1: So what's the problem here? I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: is what everybody has to go through if they found

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Speaker 1: themselves in the same position as you, don't they exactly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's uh, you know, I had to go

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Speaker 2: through it the hard way and hit all the red tape,

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Speaker 2: and you know I and I have an easier route

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Speaker 2: as far was you know, but somebody migrating here with

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Speaker 2: my children, you know that wasn't a citizen or you know,

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Speaker 2: a refugee in general. And you know, being that I

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Speaker 2: am Ta and my childre Jenner as well, you know,

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Speaker 2: I just feel it is I guess, kind of unconstitutional

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Speaker 2: as far as you know, if we're going to the

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Speaker 2: treaty and you know I've yeah, okay.

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Speaker 1: So are you saying, so you have citizenship by descent

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Speaker 1: like me because our parents were Kiwis, but we were

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Speaker 1: born overseas. Yes, and so your problem is you you

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Speaker 1: are a Kiwi, but because you have citizenship by descent

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Speaker 1: your kids being born overseas, you cannot pass it on

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Speaker 1: to them. Yes, correct, okay, And so are you saying

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Speaker 1: that coming back as a Kiwi with your not Kiwi

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Speaker 1: kids is harder to get them citizenship than it would

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Speaker 1: be if you came in on a visa as a migrant.

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Speaker 1: Is that right?

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Speaker 2: That is right?

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Speaker 1: How so how does that work because.

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Speaker 2: I'm a citizen and my children who are solely dependent

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Speaker 2: on their father. Yes, because I'm not on a visa

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Speaker 2: or applying for visa myself, they all get charged individually.

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Speaker 2: So normally, say if I had twenty kids and I

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Speaker 2: was here on a visa or applying for my residence visa,

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Speaker 2: it would cost me three thousand, two hundred for me

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Speaker 2: and all my dependent children. But because I'm a citizen

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Speaker 2: not on a visa, they charge them individually. So it's

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Speaker 2: three two hundred per child. How many kids you got

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Speaker 2: I've got three children.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's like ten thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: Right, right have you?

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Speaker 1: Have you started the process?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So being that, the first thing I had to

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Speaker 2: get in store was the court order to allow me

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Speaker 2: the sole custody that I deserve. So I first did that,

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Speaker 2: and that cost me so much financially to do from

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Speaker 2: here dealing with courts in home. And we were living

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Speaker 2: in Washington for the past two years, so I haven't

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Speaker 2: been a resident of Hawaii for a couple of quite

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Speaker 2: a few years. Actually, I moved there during the COVID

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. We moved to Washington.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this has just become a bureaucratic nightmare. Now,

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Speaker 1: I just want to clarify something that you said at

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Speaker 1: the start. Is your argument that this shouldn't be how

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Speaker 1: it is for any any New Zealand citizenship who finds

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Speaker 1: a citizen who finds themselves in this situation, or are

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Speaker 1: you arguing.

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Speaker 2: I feel it's understandable I for to be in place,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like there's a there is the Treaty

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Speaker 2: of White Tonguey, and that's what differs from other countries,

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Speaker 2: and tonguata Fa allowed access to their fenua, it should

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Speaker 2: be upheld.

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Speaker 1: So are you so just? I don't want to put

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Speaker 1: words in your mouth, but are you arguing that because

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Speaker 1: you're Maori, it's got to be an easier route to

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Speaker 1: get your kids citizens ship?

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Speaker 2: I definitely feel it should be prioritized as far as being,

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Speaker 2: you know, fuck upop of this land. Like my entire

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Speaker 2: lineage and my children's is buried in this fenoa, including

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Speaker 2: my mom.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so listen, best of luck with it, John, I

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Speaker 1: really appreciate your time. For more from Hither Duplessy Alan Drive,

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