1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Monday morning, the Prime Minister is with us. Very good 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:03,760 Speaker 1: morning to you what it might get deal with it. 3 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: So the trade we had Tom McLay on before, I 4 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: don't know that you can add much more than what 5 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: he had. Do you have any idea of what's going on? 6 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: My more specific question on that is, if it's fifteen 7 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: percent for everyone and everything, our beef's then in trouble, 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: isn't it. Given it sits this morning at zero. 9 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 2: As I understood it late last night, our beef is 10 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: sitting outside of all of that. So beef and horticulture 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 2: and Kiwi fruit which got the concession, as you know, 12 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: it's about thirty percent of our trade into the US, 13 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: is actually still exempt from that as I understood it. 14 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: But it's a pretty fluid situation. As you're saying, everyone's 15 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 2: navigating a series of posts and social media posts. 16 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: It'll play out. 17 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 2: But the good thing is, Mike, our exporters into the 18 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 2: US have been dealing with fifteen percent for the last 19 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 2: year and it's growing at four to five percent in 20 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 2: the last year. And that this is when we talk 21 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 2: about in Indian FTA. This is why we're quite serious 22 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 2: about it. It's about creating optionality in India and the Middle 23 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 2: East and the UAE and Europe and UK and China 24 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: and Southeast Asia and our exporters. I was with twelve 25 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: of them on Friday for about two hours and just 26 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 2: and around table. It's and I've seen it offshore. They've 27 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: got so experted actually now moving. If I can't make 28 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,119 Speaker 2: money in America, no race, I'll move it to the Europe, 29 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: I'll move it to China. I'll move it to somewhere else. 30 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So, as you understand it this morning, we're we're 31 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: no worse off than we were. Still at zero and 32 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: fifteen as I understand is what we had. 33 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: We need to understand the detail and it's pretty fluid, 34 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: but the key thing is and we'll keep monitoring it closely, 35 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 2: but until we see how it shakes down. I mean, 36 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: as I understand, under the new law, the fifteen percent 37 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 2: is only valid for one hundred and fifty days under 38 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 2: that legislation. Anyway, they've got to do something else. 39 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: And then we come to McLay seemed upbeat, he'd met 40 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: O'Connor and Labor seem to be okay on India. Is 41 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: that your understanding of it? 42 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit I would expect, so, you know, 43 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: I know they met last week. He has actually been 44 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 2: talking with Damian O'Connor over the course of this Indian FTA. 45 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 2: And you've got to remember those two guys have actually 46 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 2: been trade ministers for the last eleven years or so 47 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: in New Zealander, the two of them, so they understand 48 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: the issues pretty well. I think we'll get to a 49 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: very sensible place. 50 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: Okay, what's gone wrong with the two change? Oh? Look, 51 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: two things there. 52 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 2: One is we introduced it into there's a change from 53 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 2: the Commerce Commission around interchange rates that Visa and MasterCard 54 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 2: can charge and that came into effect on the first 55 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 2: of December. We want to see that flow through to 56 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 2: the consumer. And the second thing is we had a 57 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 2: first reading. It goes to a slipt committee where the 58 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 2: public and everybody gets this consult on it, and there 59 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: was actually quite a lot of feedback that we need 60 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: to properly digest and understand. 61 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: Before we push the button. 62 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 2: Well, we just want to make sure we understand it, 63 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 2: I mean, because that's the whole point of the legis 64 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 2: of a select committee process. As a legislation gets better 65 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: as it goes through. 66 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: Always some times, well sometimes it is. But but the 67 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: theory as you. 68 00:02:34,480 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 2: Go from first reading and then you have public consultation, 69 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 2: and then you get a second reading, and then you 70 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 2: get another go and then you get a third reading, 71 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: it gets better. 72 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 1: But you're between a rock and a hard place, aren't you, 73 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 1: Because I mean the public would go, yes, I don't 74 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: want to make the charge, but the small business person's going, well, 75 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: hold on, who the hell pays that? 76 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: Well, it is the small business guys that I actually 77 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 2: just do want to make sure we understand what the 78 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: implications of that actually are. And the first bit is 79 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: like the interchange fee is quite significant, you know, like 80 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,520 Speaker 2: that's actually a Commerce Commission ruling, which is really good. 81 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: Let's see. 82 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: I want to see the retailers pass that through though 83 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: to the consumer. You know, it's really important they do 84 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 2: that because I've got. 85 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Lower Okay, so is this on the nevernever? We can 86 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: forget this until after the election. Now. 87 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 2: It's genuinely is just to digest all that feedback. Have 88 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: we understood all the implications of what we're doing and 89 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: we're not going to cause unintended consequences I'd seen to 90 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 2: do it now then have to fix it up on 91 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 2: the other side if we've got something wrong, and Simpson 92 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: will take that away and it's got something on and 93 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: will work us way through that into. 94 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: Course, So dovetail that. And with Chris Bushop's speech last 95 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: week on the Auckland housing scenario, is this a government 96 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,239 Speaker 1: in election year who does suddenly a bit of panic 97 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:38,119 Speaker 1: or is it you're listening or no, it's genuine about 98 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: locally in the first place. 99 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 2: No, no, no, like housing. The housing thing was actually 100 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: again you should listen, right, And I don't. I don't 101 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: get the big I said this even before I came 102 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: to politics. I never understand why if you've got it wrong, 103 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 2: we haven't got it perfect, and you can optimize it 104 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 2: and get it better, why wouldn't you make that correction 105 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: and actually deal with that on the housing thing, you know, genuinely. 106 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 2: So there are people in Auckland sitting out in East Aukland, 107 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Pakaranger and you know, lots of suburbs in New Zealand 108 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 2: Auckland saying well, why the hell are we having densification 109 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: happening here in the suburbs when there's no transport hubs 110 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: to get anywhere, you know, like, do it over the 111 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: transport hubs. Do it over the town centers, do it 112 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 2: in the CBD, do it above the CRL, absolutely, just 113 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: like Sydney did in the nineties. But why are we 114 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: doing out here in the burbs? And so you know, 115 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 2: that's a genuine sure feedback, and that's the reason you 116 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: have this consultation and either you listen to it or 117 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 2: you don't listen. 118 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: Why couldn't you see that in the first place. That's 119 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: the fascinating thing for me because I'm in the market 120 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: and I go to a house now, and we went 121 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: to a house last week, and the question everyone asks 122 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,600 Speaker 1: in Auckland is see that dump next door? What's happening 123 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: to that? And the answer is no, one knows. Could 124 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: be eleven stories, could be nothing. So guess what, no 125 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,720 Speaker 1: one buys the house. So you killed the market. Now, 126 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 1: why couldn't you see that? Well? 127 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: No, what we have to do is one of the 128 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: challenges we've had. You know, you think about probably price 129 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,159 Speaker 2: went up thirty percent in a year, totally utterly unsustainable. 130 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: Think about young people not being able to get into housing, 131 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 2: you know, feeling very frustrated about all of that. So 132 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: you've got to do what other countries do around the world, 133 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 2: and you know Singapore does it over fifty year period. 134 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: We're doing it over a thirty year period, saying look, 135 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 2: this is the capacity of it. 136 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: You did it by saying two million, and you just 137 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: freaked everyone out. 138 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 2: Yeah no, and I get that, I understand that. But 139 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 2: that's a capacity thing over thirty years about knowing where 140 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: because here's what's happening, right. You know, farmer sells land. 141 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 2: Land goes up fifteen times as it gets rezoned, as 142 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 2: residential subdivision gets plopped, and no one knows where the 143 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 2: hell the schools are going, where the hospital's going. The 144 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 2: roads aren't wide enough by the time, there's not enough 145 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 2: parking in the houses or in the buildings, and so 146 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 2: as a result, the cars are on the street. You 147 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 2: can't get appliances down some of the streets in my 148 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: area in Flatbush, for example, where there's been a massive expansion. 149 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: So we've got to get much better at master planning 150 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 2: and knowing where the growth is going to come from 151 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 2: over time. And you know, that's where that capacity plan 152 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: comes from. It's not the sheer number of houses that 153 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 2: would suggest there's six million people coming into Auckland in 154 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 2: the next thirty years. 155 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 1: So it wasn't explained in a way that no, I 156 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,880 Speaker 1: get the factoring back down, you blew it and you 157 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: freak people out. And that's the only bit that surprised 158 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: me that a guy from the HUT was telling Auckland 159 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: how to run their property market, which wasn't the smartest 160 00:05:58,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: mood politically. 161 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: And yeah, all I can say as we listened and 162 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: we made the changes, and importantly now it's back with 163 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,600 Speaker 2: the council to say densifying the CBD and the transport 164 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:09,400 Speaker 2: hubs take it out and that reduction and capacity will 165 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 2: should mean all that intense fashion someone goes away. 166 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: We have the Police Association on in the last half 167 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: hour moaning about these move on orders. How much pushback 168 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: do you think you're going to get from people who, 169 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:25,160 Speaker 1: for whatever reason don't believe downtown Auckland and Wellington and 170 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: christ Church needs addressing. 171 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure we'll get a lot. I mean we've 172 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 2: got a lot on gang patch bands too, do you 173 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: know what I mean? I had everyone for a year 174 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: and a half saying this is going to be operationally 175 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 2: impossible to do. How are you going to deal with it? 176 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: Remember all the questions we got leading into that one, 177 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: and the police really thought through their response, they got 178 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: protocols in place, the front line dealt author and within 179 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: the first three to seven minutes of the law being 180 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 2: passed they had their first arrest. So we've got time 181 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: between now and when this becomes law. Police will work 182 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:53,679 Speaker 2: up their protocols and how they deal with it. Every 183 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 2: situation actually in that situation and the CBD is very different. 184 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: Each individual's different. So will be move on orders. I 185 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: think that's important. 186 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 1: But you have no doubt that because the thing I'm 187 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: picking up increasingly hero's attitude. So it's one thing to 188 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: say you're going to do something or you should do something, 189 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: But I mean, if you listen to the police association, 190 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: she's got no intention of moving anybody. 191 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll notice, respect I don't. I don't, you know. 192 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't take advice from people. Yeah, I'm not taking 193 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 2: offense from that up because I don't take advice from him. 194 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 2: But I mean, I trust Richard Chambers. I trust our 195 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: police when I talk to our frontline police. So I've 196 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: been out with them on the beat. There's been a 197 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: huge increase of police out on the beat. In fact, 198 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: we've had a thirty eight percent lowering of victimizations and Auckland, 199 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: CBD just in the last twelve months, by having police 200 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: out on the beat, by putting a police station down 201 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 2: in the city. The police want these powers. They know 202 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 2: these shopkeepers, they know these individuals. In many cases, they 203 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 2: have a wide set of circumstances. It's not just how 204 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 2: we all stereotype them as folk that have mental health issues, 205 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: addiction issues, whatever. There's a series of complications that are 206 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 2: actually different by individual. The police will use their judgment 207 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: and I want them to have these tools. 208 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: But you have no doubt that this is because this 209 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: is retail politics, Isn't it the same way the economy 210 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: affects the post walking downtown affixed people and when they 211 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: stody's not fixed, it's on you exactly, I mean. 212 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: But the beggar issue is like, you know, Chuck and 213 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 2: Mary coming in for there once in a lifetime trip 214 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 2: to New Zealand on a cruise ship, walking around downtown Auckland, 215 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: getting intimidated because someone standing on the door, you know, 216 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 2: sitting on the doorstop of a shop they're trying to 217 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 2: get into, threatening, shouting at them, abusing them. Right now, 218 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't trigger an a fence under you know, other 219 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 2: other pieces. 220 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: But this but by. 221 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: Putting this in place that helps. And you know, we've 222 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: got a massive investment in the international conventions, and we've 223 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 2: got a massive investment in the CRL. We've got huge 224 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 2: amount of cruise ships coming in. We want to make 225 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 2: sure that you know, and it's not just our visitors, 226 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 2: it's actually residents and families and people out for dinners 227 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 2: and you know, just the stories are unbelievable and this 228 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 2: is New Zealand, and this is and we can do 229 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 2: something about. 230 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: No one's arguing with you apart from the unionists. Oh yeah, 231 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: but that's normal apologists. As long as it's going to work, 232 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 1: is the key. Yes, yes, So on the broad thing 233 00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: then of the public service not listening to what you 234 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: saying the army and the tea coming thing last week, 235 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, and he's outrage It's two years 236 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 1: into your government and you're still discovering this nonsense. I 237 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: thought you were going to get rid of it. Why 238 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: haven't you? 239 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: Well on that one, I have to say that was 240 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: completely an absolute surprise and totally outrageous. You know, a 241 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 2: cultural framework and knowledge of care. Care is what determines 242 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 2: your promotion essentially, and in a military rather than your leadership, 243 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: how you serve the country, and how you can fight. 244 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,079 Speaker 2: That's really what we really want that to be focused on. 245 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 2: So Judith Collins got on to it. We've stopped it. 246 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: They've paused it, you know, they. 247 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: Game attitude problem within the public. 248 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 2: Well, it's a big change. We've got some things were 249 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 2: not two years on. It isn't I mean, you know, 250 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: in the big system, pretty big system, you know. I 251 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 2: have to say in many cases people have got with 252 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: the program. Some of the seas have been really outstanding 253 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 2: and understand what we want to do and been actually 254 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: very excited about wanting to get things done. Think about 255 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: what we're doing on education, think about some of the 256 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 2: stuff we've been doing, an MPI, NZTE, you know, trade 257 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 2: all that stuff, investment. There's been some real great support 258 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: coming from our officials there. But yeah, there's there's still 259 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 2: there's still rumps of it that sort of don't like 260 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 2: our government and don't like what we're doing. But when 261 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: we see it, we call it out and we stop 262 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: it and we fix it, and we have to often 263 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: put a lot of sunlight on it like we're doing, 264 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 2: because then we're doing we're sending a message very clearly 265 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 2: back to the system and say hey, listen, focus on 266 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 2: your core business and deliver for the public of New Zealand. 267 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:20,559 Speaker 2: Who are your customers? You know? 268 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,959 Speaker 1: Good to see Christopher Lucks and Prime Minister. 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