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Speaker 1: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: due for c Ellen. Drive with One New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected.

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Speaker 2: You stalk said, be.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to the show. Coming up today, Julian

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Speaker 3: Nissan is finally free. We're going to speak to the

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Speaker 3: Australian Green Senator David chubridch who's been campaigning for this

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Speaker 3: three strikes legislation two point zero has just been introduced

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Speaker 3: to the House. M not loving it. I'll explain why

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Speaker 3: and then we'll have a chat to Nicole McKee, the

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Speaker 3: relevant minister and ns it are the rugby guys. They've

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Speaker 3: just opened their books. We're going to see how the

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Speaker 3: finances are going and talk to the CEO, Mark Robinson.

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Speaker 4: Heather Dup for c Ellen.

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Speaker 3: You're very good. Fall on the COVID inquiry this afternoon

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Speaker 3: has just been announced. The thing is being expanded, so

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Speaker 3: the current inquiry that Labor started will continue, but that

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Speaker 3: will now become the first part of the inquiry and

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Speaker 3: a second part will now be added, and that's going

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Speaker 3: to look at all the juicy stuff that you and

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Speaker 3: I care about, which obviously Labor really did not want

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Speaker 3: to have examined, for example, the extended lockdowns in Auckland

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Speaker 3: and the lockdowns in Northland, and the closing of schools

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Speaker 3: and the shutting of businesses, and the vaccine efficacy, et cetera,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, et cetera, all the stuff that we actually debated.

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Speaker 3: That's what we're now looking into. Now. It shouldn't be

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Speaker 3: a surprise. I think that this inquiry is going to happen.

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Speaker 3: It was inevitable, it always had to be done. It's

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Speaker 3: in the coalition agreements and so on, and frankly, it

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Speaker 3: was as plain as the nose in your face that

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Speaker 3: the previous Labor government had majorly restricted the first part

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Speaker 3: of the inquiry to basically just look at health and

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Speaker 3: economic effect because they might come out of that one

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Speaker 3: looking okay. But when you start including everything else that

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Speaker 3: they did, well, I have a very strong suspicion they're

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Speaker 3: about to get called out big time, forcing people out

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Speaker 3: of jobs just because they wouldn't take the jab way

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Speaker 3: after ninety percent of us were already vaccinated, COVID had

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Speaker 3: already spread and done its damage, preventing people from saying

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Speaker 3: goodbye to loved ones, confiscating private businesses, rat kits how

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Speaker 3: honest they were with people about the risks of the vaccine,

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Speaker 3: that they were pushing Auckland in a lockdown when they

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Speaker 3: already knew the lockdown wasn't working and there was no

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Speaker 3: point in keeping the lockdown going. But you know what,

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Speaker 3: they kept the lockdown going, stopping kids who are the

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Speaker 3: least affected by COVID from going to school, pilfering the

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Speaker 3: COVID fund to fund things like cameras on boats and

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Speaker 3: art therapy, can you believe it, and spending spending and

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Speaker 3: spending and spending, which has put us in the situation

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Speaker 3: with inflation that we are now dealing with, which has

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Speaker 3: us in a recession.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I am prepared to take a bet that looking into

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Speaker 3: all of that stuff is not going to go particularly

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Speaker 3: well for key figures in the previous labor administration, which

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Speaker 3: I think is why they tried so very hard to

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Speaker 3: avoid looking into it, and why I think it's brilliant

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Speaker 3: that we are looking into it, because I'm of the

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Speaker 3: belief that if you want to be the big guy

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Speaker 3: be scrutinized by the people who were affected by those decisions,

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Speaker 3: and those decisions affected every single one of us who

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Speaker 3: personally very much looking forward to an inquiry for once

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Speaker 3: and for all into whether those often lauded and highly

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Speaker 4: Heather, due to CLA.

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Speaker 3: Ten past four nine two nine two is the text

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Speaker 3: number standard text fees applying the Brook van Baldens. Obviously

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Speaker 3: the Minister who's called this inquiry. We'll have a little

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Speaker 3: chat to her just get exact, exact idea of the

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: The New Zealand India relationship is being tested by a

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Speaker 3: familiar issue, which is the huge number of student visa rejections.

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Speaker 3: Stats from Immigration show that between October last year and

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Speaker 3: this May that's just gone, Indian student visa applications only

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Speaker 3: The Immigration Minister says it's not blanked geographic discrimination, but

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Speaker 3: S Nil Koschel is the president of the White Tarkti

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Speaker 5: No, I don't buy that argument at all. India is

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Speaker 5: of view. I do agree that we need to be

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Speaker 5: that they are seeking for rather than the law level

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Speaker 5: pre forward. And we don't want dodgy students coming in,

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Speaker 5: but real interested students. And I don't buy any argument

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Speaker 5: that it's a high risk country. I mean there are

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Speaker 3: If you do not believe the argument, then what do

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Speaker 5: I think they're just being very cautious as to who

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Speaker 3: Are they being so cautious with India and for example,

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Speaker 5: I think it's there are other things to play there.

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Speaker 5: It could be geopolitical, it could be what sort of

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Speaker 5: they've probably seen. I mean our can'ts speak for immigration,

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Speaker 5: but their argument that because of the lack of funds

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Speaker 5: previous role introduced the funds Cornswer scheme which was implemented

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Speaker 5: in India, in China, in Philippines and other countries in

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Speaker 5: there is the amount needed to come to New Zealand.

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Speaker 5: Now we cannot tell people where you should get money

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Speaker 5: from their argument that or it's from another institution, etc.

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Speaker 5: In New Zealand, we pay, we pay a student loan,

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Speaker 5: parents help their families or their kids go into college.

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Speaker 5: People go overseas, they can work there, so why can't

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Speaker 5: and we have the same barometer for every place, for

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Speaker 5: every student coming from different nations. I mean, why have

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Speaker 5: different standards there? That's just not acceptable and who is

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Speaker 5: losing out not only the students but also in New

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Speaker 5: Zealand economy, New Zealand institutions. We are losing our Australia's

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Speaker 5: Australia has been very careful because they don't have enough

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Speaker 3: But what are you hearing in terms of how much

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Speaker 3: at the moment because we want an FTA.

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Speaker 5: I completely agree with you heither on there, because India,

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Speaker 5: when the Indian Foreign Master was here, he raised it up.

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Speaker 5: India wants mobility, not just with New Zealand but throughout

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Speaker 5: New Zealand keeps doing this, it will definitely put us

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Speaker 3: Sneil, thank you. I appreciated that Sunil Koschel, who's the

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Speaker 3: president of the White Targeting Indian Association Business Desk, is

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Speaker 3: reporting that the Indian Foreign Minister is actually so worried

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Speaker 3: about this he's raised the student issue visa several times

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Speaker 3: during his visit a couple of years ago. Now, Princess Anne,

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Speaker 3: serious thing. To have happened, and she's gone into hospital

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Speaker 3: and she's not just staying one night, she's staying two nights.

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Speaker 3: Now it's being reported. I think it was the Chellograph

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Speaker 3: who reported this headline. Princess Anne is a true stoic.

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Speaker 3: It must be serious for her to countenance a fuss.

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Speaker 3: she basically wants objected to be kidnapped and told them

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Speaker 3: So for her to for this to be public in

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Speaker 3: we'll check in with Enda Brady, our UK correspondent, who's

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Speaker 3: going to be able to run about quarter to seven

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Speaker 3: and see how she's going. It's quarterpass for diguilty.

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Speaker 4: Keep into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither Duper c Allen Drive with one New zealand

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Speaker 1: one give leap.

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Speaker 3: For business US talk, it'd be Darcy water Grave Sports

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Speaker 3: talk hoosters with me right now, Darcy.

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Speaker 6: I don't is anything better than watching Australia get beaten

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Speaker 6: even though I wasn't really supposed to be watching it

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Speaker 6: because I'm still sulking about the performance although seeing that

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Speaker 6: then they slapped the Australians out of the way. Now

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Speaker 3: Like this is Afghanistan Bangladesh.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it is waiting on results here.

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Speaker 3: So how does it impact things?

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Speaker 6: Well, which way it goes depends on who wins and

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Speaker 6: how much of a hurry they win. In that we

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Speaker 6: they've got to do it in quite a good margin,

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Speaker 6: and I think they're going to get that done now.

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Speaker 6: They've only got a handful of balls to get that done, okay,

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Speaker 6: But so Bangladesh has got a higher net run. I'm

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Speaker 6: not even gonna going to run rates no Afghanistan when

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Speaker 3: Just being vindictive now, aren't you why? Because this is

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Speaker 6: Well, when you think about only just recently the Australians

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Speaker 6: thinking about maybe not having the Afghanistan tour and complaining

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Speaker 6: about the Taliban's treatment of women. And we're not going

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Speaker 6: to do it. But we're not going to walk away

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Speaker 6: You know, We'll just we'll stand dark man, We'll have

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Speaker 6: this moral high ground when it doesn't really matter to us,

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Speaker 6: and then they get rolled by if it's done. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 6: There's just funny, isn't that instant karma orleence delayed karma

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Speaker 6: more than anything else.

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Speaker 3: It's good news that Shaw Johnson's out for four weeks,

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Speaker 3: Isn't it not very.

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Speaker 6: Good news for him? But I suppose it saves the

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Speaker 6: pain of Andrew Webster. Now that team comes out in

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Speaker 6: about an hour and forty minutes and whatever assistant coach

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Speaker 6: Richard Agar on the show tonight to talk through. Do

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Speaker 6: they climb into these guys and start lapping them the players,

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Speaker 6: the players, and go that's it, we can't do this anymore.

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Speaker 6: You are sitting down sixty six.

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Speaker 3: Sixty Yeah, Well, I just wonder do you think that

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Speaker 3: he's been because this is this is the Archilles injury

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Speaker 3: that's fled up again. Right, So the fact that the

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Speaker 3: same thing keeps coming back says to me, he is

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Speaker 3: playing with a bit of a niggle, isn't he.

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Speaker 6: Well they claim that it was actually aokay and good

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Speaker 6: to go, but then it reinflamed itself again, So they're

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Speaker 6: going to give him a lot longer. They're saying four weeks.

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Speaker 6: It might be six weeks. But what happened last time?

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Speaker 6: The rock stars weren't there. The juniors came through, did

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Speaker 6: the job, and did the job on a couple of times.

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Speaker 6: Right now, I'll tell you what Darcy guys out there,

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Speaker 6: one example, right.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather du see

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Speaker 3: Julian Assange just quickly update on him. So he has

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Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather first, Heather duper c

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Speaker 4: Face, watch me.

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Speaker 3: He's probably also pale because he's a vegan, so he's

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Speaker 3: I was on the lottery system that Jacinda and Bloomfield

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Speaker 3: Julian Assange, as I told you, has been released from jail.

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Speaker 7: Great, great news, and really want to give credit to

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Speaker 3: And finally, animal control officers are hunting for a brown

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Speaker 1: International correspondents with ends in eye insurance peace of mind

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Speaker 2: Very good afternoons here.

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Speaker 3: So when is Julian Nosaje due to land in Australia.

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Speaker 2: Well behind by the end of the week. Is the

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Speaker 9: Left London last night, going we understand via Singapore to

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Speaker 2: Of course Saipan.

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Speaker 9: The Battle of Saipan one of the most violent of

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Speaker 9: held in jail in London, and then on the next

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Speaker 9: plane out via back via Singapore, we understand, and then

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Speaker 9: home to Australia.

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Speaker 2: So could be by the end of the week.

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Speaker 3: So if he's only I mean, if he's appearing in

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Speaker 3: court tomorrow at nine am, which is what like eleven

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Speaker 3: Amur time, and whatever type mid morning, early morning your time,

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Speaker 3: what's stopping it from jumping on a plane and just

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Speaker 3: hitting home straight away and being home tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, he might be.

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Speaker 9: I just don't know what airlines he's flying, and I

447
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Speaker 9: don't know the the you know, the connections out of

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Speaker 9: Saipan back to mainland Asia.

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Speaker 2: But certainly, look there's a lot of excitement here.

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Speaker 9: I don't think anyone much cares exactly when he touches down,

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Speaker 9: just as long as he does. I heard you make

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Speaker 9: reference there to if they say, well, got you now,

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Speaker 9: Because that's what he's been fighting for. That's what he

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Speaker 9: jumped into the Ecuadorian embassy for, and that is why

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Speaker 9: he has been held in jail for five years and

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Speaker 9: two months, because he would not be he would not

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Speaker 9: accept extradition to the United States, where he faced hundreds

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Speaker 9: of years in jail. Basically, in my view, as you

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Speaker 9: know it was a lifetime journalist. He was simply exercising

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Speaker 9: freedom of speech. He didn't steal the documents. He simply

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Speaker 9: published them in the same way as the was the

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Speaker 9: New York Times, the Washington Post published the Pentagon papers.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's.

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Speaker 9: Documents out there in the public domain. For me, I

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Speaker 9: think putting stuff out like what we saw in the

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Speaker 9: in the in the wiki leaks leaks, I think it

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Speaker 9: did it did everyone a big, big favor.

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Speaker 2: It exposed what was going on.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fair enough. Hey, what do you make of the

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Speaker 3: Matt keen appointment.

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Speaker 2: Well, uh, look, I don't know Matt keenan all that.

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Speaker 9: Well, I've spoken to him Harvard dozen times, you know,

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Speaker 9: interviewed him and so on. He it was a strange

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Speaker 9: for the New South Wales Liberal Party because he was

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Speaker 9: such a lefty. He could almost have been a labor

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Speaker 9: politician to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, he served as.

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Speaker 9: You know, he was a very young Minister for Energy,

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Speaker 9: Minister for climate change, and he was at odds of

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Speaker 9: course with some on the hard right wing side of

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Speaker 9: the Liberal Party, the Conservatives over here. It didn't seem

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Speaker 9: to bother him. He was busy taking potshots at anyone

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Speaker 9: about the need to go renewable energy. He was always

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Speaker 9: an opponent of nuclear energy, so he was about to quit.

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Speaker 9: He's still a member of parliament. Actually he just quit

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Speaker 9: the Shadow Ministry. I think he leaves on Friday. Anyway,

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Speaker 9: he's been appointed to the Chair of the Climate Change

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Speaker 9: Authority by Anthony Alberanisi. And look this outrage on the

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Speaker 9: right hand side of politics over here, you turncoat, you

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Speaker 9: traitor left.

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Speaker 2: He's a saying well beauty, I mean Albanisi.

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Speaker 9: An inspired master stroke to blunt Peter Dutton's push for

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Speaker 9: nuclear We have to wait and see.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, he's not a pin up the right.

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Speaker 2: I'm can assure you of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Muslssen. Thank you as always, really appreciate him.

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Speaker 3: We'll talk to you in a couple of days. Again,

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Speaker 3: that's Murray Old's Ossie correspondent. Okay, here we go. Are

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Speaker 3: you serious, Heather, I didn't know that the three strikes

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Speaker 3: had all of those stipulations. What's the bloody point of

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Speaker 3: the judges still get to run the show? Quite? Very

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Speaker 3: good question, Steve. Let me run you through this guy,

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Speaker 3: Rana Pere Tomata Rana Petra is not a nice character.

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Speaker 3: You wouldn't want to come across him on a dark

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Speaker 3: night in an alley. He is on his third strike

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Speaker 3: because he beat his girlfriend to death with his bare

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Speaker 3: hands in twenty nineteen. That was his third strike. He

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Speaker 3: has over twenty criminal convictions as an adult, he's believed

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Speaker 3: to have more as a youth offender. In fact, under

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Speaker 3: the new law, because I told you, it wipes all

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Speaker 3: the previous strikes away, he gets no strike. He hasn't.

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Speaker 3: We're clean cleanslating this guy, like, ah, yeah, Ranapetra, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: twenty criminal convictions and you killed your girlfriend with your

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Speaker 3: bare hands. Now, can clean slate you, mate, don't worry

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Speaker 3: about it. In fact, the weird thing is under the

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Speaker 3: new law because it's so watered down, he would never

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Speaker 3: even have got to his third strike the way that

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Speaker 3: it's set up now, because as I told you, you

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Speaker 3: only get a strike if your sentence is over twenty

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Speaker 3: four months two years in jail. Right, his first offense,

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Speaker 3: which was aggravated robbery, which is incredibly serious, only got

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Speaker 3: him eight months home d that's not a strike now,

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Speaker 3: So didn't get his first strike. Second one was a robbery,

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Speaker 3: he only got twenty months in prison. Again, didn't get

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Speaker 3: a second strike. So now we've got a guy who's

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Speaker 3: a clean slate, who wouldn't have any strikes under the

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Speaker 3: current law. Tell me that law's a good law. Doesn't

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Speaker 3: sound like it to me. Nicole McKee's going to be

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Speaker 3: with us, as I say, twenty five away from six

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Speaker 3: so statuned for that sixteen away from.

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Speaker 1: Five politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payments,

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Speaker 1: certainty Verry.

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Speaker 3: So pre senior political correspondence with us.

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Speaker 10: Now how barring a good afternoon, Heathery.

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Speaker 3: So, what did the snap debate in Parliament about the

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Speaker 3: fairies find out?

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Speaker 10: Hah, not a lot really, but it was the ministerial questions.

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Speaker 10: I think that found a lot more than what the

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Speaker 10: debate did. It was claimed, didn't part elament during question

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Speaker 10: time that Winston Peters, when he was with the Durn government,

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Speaker 10: was the minister responsible for the faery contract which blew

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Speaker 10: out from seven hundred and fifty million to three point

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Speaker 10: two billion. Well, I talked to Winston Peters about this

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Speaker 10: and he said that yes he did sign off on

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Speaker 10: two fairies, but they would have been the same size

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Speaker 10: and dimension of the fairies that are crossing the strait

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Speaker 10: at the moment. But the contract that was signed by

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Speaker 10: Labor contracted bigger, much bigger fairies, which meant that infrastructure

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Speaker 10: on either side of the strait had to be upgraded,

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Speaker 10: so that we're saying that's where all the money came from.

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Speaker 3: When he was the Soe Minister, he said, yes, you

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Speaker 3: can get two fairies, but he said two small fairies.

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Speaker 10: Two fairies the size are the ones that were currently operated.

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Speaker 3: And then when at the change of government in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty in New Zealand, first was out. After that it

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Speaker 3: was Labour who then went for the big one, the

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Speaker 3: big ones.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, right, So the Prime Minister he faced questions about

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Speaker 10: it in Parliament today and he said the Abor led

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Speaker 10: government had no idea of what they were getting the

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Speaker 10: country into.

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Speaker 11: This government knows how to run economics, we know how

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Speaker 11: to manage projects, right, unlike that government who somehow thought

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Speaker 11: it was perfectly reasonable to go spend seven hundred and

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Speaker 11: fifty million dollars which just turns into three point two

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Speaker 11: billion dollars and rising. You have no economic credientels no

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Speaker 11: economic record. You haven't been able to deliver a pizza,

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Speaker 11: let alone fairies.

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Speaker 12: And the Prime min is to confirm the cost of

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Speaker 12: the firies themselves was only twenty one percent of the

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Speaker 12: total project cost. That is the garage was going to

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Speaker 12: cost four times as much as the ship that was

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Speaker 12: going in it.

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Speaker 11: I can eighty percent of the costs were now associated

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Speaker 11: with port redevelopments in Wellington and Picton for big ships

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Speaker 11: that actually didn't work.

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Speaker 10: See that's ridiculous because really that why would you go

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Speaker 10: ahead with ships that didn't weren't fit for perspose when

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Speaker 10: it came to docking on either side of the Strait.

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Speaker 10: Now I can confirm that the Sterial Advisory Group met

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Speaker 10: last night to consider an option for the new fairies,

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Speaker 10: which will no doubt be smaller and able to birth

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Speaker 10: at these on either side of the strait. The current

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Speaker 10: ships have to be maintained for at least two years.

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Speaker 10: Act of course, wants to sell off forty nine percent

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Speaker 10: of Kiwi roll. So look, this is a really vexed issue.

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Speaker 10: But once if they sign a contract for fairies that

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Speaker 10: basically the equivalent to those that are sailing the Straight,

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Speaker 10: now it seems to be the end of the real problem.

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Speaker 3: Barry, did the ministerial meeting make a decision last night?

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Speaker 10: Now they haven't made a decision. That's got to go

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Speaker 10: to cabinet. So they had a discussion on it. So

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Speaker 10: they will, no doubt probably go to cabinet hopefully.

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Speaker 3: Do you know if they formed a view I can

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Speaker 3: preferred view.

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Speaker 10: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know they meant.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, but they are moving at pace right they are.

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Speaker 3: This thing was dragging on and then all of a

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Speaker 3: sudden the ship runs aground and now they're having a meeting,

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Speaker 3: they're making calls.

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Speaker 10: They have to make it come. I mean, it takes

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Speaker 10: time to build a.

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Speaker 3: Ship that three strikes laws A bit of a dog,

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Speaker 3: isn't it.

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Speaker 10: Well, See, I found it incredible that I heard you say,

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Speaker 10: and I tried to check it out that if the

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Speaker 10: previous records of criminals in New Zealand are expunge that

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Speaker 10: was sentenced under three strikes, what's the point of bringing

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Speaker 10: it back. Well, there is a point in bringing it back,

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Speaker 10: but people that have had two strikes, they should be

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Speaker 10: still held accountable. They haven't done rehabilitated in any way

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Speaker 10: if they're before the court again. So I find that incredible.

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Speaker 10: And I know you're going to be speaking to Nicole

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Speaker 10: McKee about it, and I'd like to hear her explanation

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Speaker 10: on that, because I think it is ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Barry, I don't think that this New Zealand first invoking

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Speaker 3: the agree to disagree provision is a big deal.

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Speaker 4: Is No.

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Speaker 10: I've seen the media go crazy on this today and

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Speaker 10: it's really frustrated me saying cracks and the coalition. Well,

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Speaker 10: you know, in every coalition that's taken plays since nineteen

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Speaker 10: ninety six, there have been clauses in the coalition agreements

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Speaker 10: to agree to disagree, and that simply means on this

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Speaker 10: occasion it was a fairly minor disagreement and that Winston

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Speaker 10: Peter is one of the whole COVID inquiry Commission of

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Speaker 10: Inquiry scrapped and started out to restart it because he

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Speaker 10: felt that it was biased, would have been biased towards labor,

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Speaker 10: and probably with good reason. But to agree to disagree,

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Speaker 10: I think is perfectly legitimate. And what is a coalition

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Speaker 10: type co.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, I thought so too. Okay, Barry really

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Speaker 3: appreciate It's Barry so Per, senior political correspondent. Hey listen,

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Speaker 3: I'm hearing some stuff about the RMA, so I'm going

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Speaker 3: to talk you through it next. It's eight away from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Scott Robertson is with us. How different do you think

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Speaker 4: it's going to be this era under you?

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Speaker 13: How different now all I haven't thought about it that

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Speaker 13: one might. Well, I think people know who I am.

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Speaker 13: I think I'll be myself along the way. I think

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Speaker 13: we'd be a little bit more insights and what more

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Speaker 13: connection to who we are, how we do things. And

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Speaker 13: big part of what.

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Speaker 14: I have to do is bring a past a legacy

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Speaker 14: with us.

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Speaker 13: So before you'll see what the film. But on the field,

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Speaker 13: some team that kick in a dept played different ways,

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Speaker 13: played a team in front of us to win that game.

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Speaker 15: Could QUDNA be connected and find.

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Speaker 13: Ways to win? I'm looking forward, like I said, to

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Speaker 13: bring everyone together and man, I'm sure you'll keep me accountable.

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Speaker 9: Yes, No, I will back tomorrow at six am the

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Speaker 9: mic asking Breakfast with the jaguine used talk.

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Speaker 3: Zebby Hey, just a quick update on what's going on

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Speaker 3: with that rescue effort off the Gisbane coast with the

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Speaker 3: three boats have been missing. We've just had an update

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Speaker 3: from Maritime New Zealand. They've confirmed that they have actually

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Speaker 3: seen two guys alive in the sea. The trouble is

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Speaker 3: get those people. They are at the moment not in

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Speaker 3: a vessel. They are in the sea and apparently the

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Speaker 3: swells are something like six meters high or something very

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Speaker 3: very difficult for them to be able to get in there.

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Speaker 3: Just after four o'clock they dropped a life raft in

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Speaker 3: the area that the men are and they're hoping that

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Speaker 3: the guys will be able to get into the life raft.

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Speaker 3: We will keep you posted on this as the details

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Speaker 3: come out, and hopefully they hopefully that it's good news. Next,

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Speaker 3: what was I going to tell you? I was going

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Speaker 3: to tell you about the the RMA. Okay, listen, I'm

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Speaker 3: hearing that apparently there is significant concern that people and

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Speaker 3: government are losing their nerve over reforming the ROMA. You

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Speaker 3: will remember that the coalition agreement between ACT and National

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Speaker 3: promises to replace the RMA, so it's going to like

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Speaker 3: it is not going to be a tinker tinker. It

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Speaker 3: is a complete replacement of the RM and thank you Jesus,

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Speaker 3: that's what we all want, right but apparently that is

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Speaker 3: what is written. But there is concern that the relevant Minister,

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Speaker 3: who is Chris Bishop is either or may go soft

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Speaker 3: on this. Now, what he is first planning to do,

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Speaker 3: you can see at the moment that we're just trying

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Speaker 3: to work with the RMA as it is, right, because

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Speaker 3: reform takes a while. It's with the fast track laws

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Speaker 3: and all that stuff. So apparently what he's doing is

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Speaker 3: he's planning to tweak the existing RM in the first

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Speaker 3: instance with a bunch of exemptions and loopholes and stuff

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Speaker 3: like that, which may work in the short term, but

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Speaker 3: it's just going to make a complicated piece of art

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Speaker 3: even more complicated than it already is. Right, that's not

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Speaker 3: a solution. And what they're worried about, the people I'm

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Speaker 3: talking to, is that he's going to stop there and

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Speaker 3: he's going to say, ow that does the job, never mind,

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Speaker 3: and is no more political blowback and stuff. That's enough,

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Speaker 3: and then not do the reform they want the reform

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Speaker 3: to go through. The concern is deep enough for this

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Speaker 3: now to be talked about around the trap, So hopefully

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Speaker 3: he doesn't lose his nerve and hopefully he carries on

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Speaker 3: with it. I have got another example of a just

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Speaker 3: a delightful character who's about to have all of his

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Speaker 3: strikes wiped with this new law. I'm run you through that.

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Speaker 3: In the next half hour or thereabouts, we'll have a

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Speaker 3: little chat to Brook van Valden, the Internal Affairs Minister,

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Speaker 3: about the expanded COVID Committee COVID inquiry, and again thank

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Speaker 3: you Jesus. I'm looking forward to the outcome of that

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Speaker 3: and the chap from Hamilton. Who's used He's written a

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Speaker 3: letter to a neighboring council who's made a submission on

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Speaker 3: the Cambridge Bridge and he's used words that I cannot

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Speaker 3: use otherwise I will be without a job and an income.

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Speaker 3: But he's used them, so we're goen have a chat

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Speaker 3: to him in twenty minutes. It's time News took zed.

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Speaker 16: B plenty Young Blo Birth ten and plenty nines under

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Speaker 16: Pink Skyes. You taught them to enjoy.

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Speaker 1: The only Drive show you can trust. To ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather due to see Elam Drive with One New Zealand

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Speaker 1: Let's get connected and News talk.

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Speaker 3: Good afternoon. The government has announced it's expanding the COVID inquiry.

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Speaker 3: It'll keep the existing one that was started by labor

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Speaker 3: which mainly looks into the health calls and the economic ramifications,

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Speaker 3: but it's now going to add a second part to

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Speaker 3: that inquiry. It's going to look at all the juicy stuff,

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Speaker 3: the extended lockdowns in Auckland and Northland, the vaccine ef efficacy,

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Speaker 3: vaccine safety, the extent of disruption to our health, education

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Speaker 3: and businesses and so on. Brook van Velden is the

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Speaker 3: Internal Affairs Minister who ordered this and is with us now.

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Speaker 3: Hey Brook, Hey, well, thank you. Of the controversial stuff

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Speaker 3: that happened. Is there anything you're not looking into?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 17: What we've done is we've gone out for public submissions

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Speaker 17: and we've had really fulsome submissions come back over thirteen

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Speaker 17: thousand people. We've looked in detail at what people would

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Speaker 17: like us to look into, plus added those with New

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Speaker 17: Zealand First Coalition commitments as well, and I think we've

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Speaker 17: got a really good pass board. There's still a lot

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Speaker 17: of concern I know out during the public of if

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Speaker 17: we have another pandemic, how will the New Zealand government react,

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Speaker 17: And there's a lot of lessons to be learned, and

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Speaker 17: I think this helps us answer those questions and is

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Speaker 17: a really good pass forward that this government is creating.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so you're looking at mandates inflation, confiscating rat kits,

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Speaker 3: spending of COVID fund on art funding, closing schools, closing businesses, MiQ,

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Speaker 3: restricting access to dying relatives, all of that.

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Speaker 17: Well, the technicalities of everything that you've been talking thing

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Speaker 17: about will come out in full detail in a few

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Speaker 17: more months.

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Speaker 14: But the broad scope of this is that.

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Speaker 17: We're looking into how the government balanced all of the

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Speaker 17: other goals government versus COVID, you know, things like breastcatter

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Speaker 17: screening and why that was put on pauds, Why it

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Speaker 17: was that kids weren't able to access school and the

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Speaker 17: effect that they will have on their social well being

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Speaker 17: over time, and why on earth it was so hard

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Speaker 17: for businesses just to be open and do their business,

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Speaker 17: and why the government was stopping that. Those things that

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Speaker 17: come through really loud and clear, as well as concern

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Speaker 17: about whether or not those mandates were right. I think

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Speaker 17: from my own perspective, I don't think they were. However,

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Speaker 17: we've got to look at how we would do better

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Speaker 17: in the future, and that's what we'll be going into

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Speaker 17: great detail on.

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Speaker 3: Would you be expecting just sindada In and Ashley Bloomfield

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Speaker 3: to actually be giving evidence.

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Speaker 17: Well, part of this requirement for terms of reference going forward,

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Speaker 17: is it part of the evidence will be held in public.

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Speaker 17: It's not for me at this point to say exactly

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Speaker 17: who would be in those hearings in public, because that's

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Speaker 17: up to the commissioners and we do have to.

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Speaker 3: But this is a possibility, right, It's a possibility that

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Speaker 3: Jacinda or Ashley is sitting there in public answering questions

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Speaker 3: about this.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, look, it's a possibility that it could be a

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Speaker 17: range of different people. Like I say, I can't give

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Speaker 17: a guarantee on what that will look like because that's

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Speaker 17: up to the Commissioners at the end of the day

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Speaker 17: as part of their independence.

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Speaker 3: Listen, this agree to disagree clause that's been invoked by

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Speaker 3: New Zealand first doesn't strike me as a particularly a

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Speaker 3: big deal.

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Speaker 1: Is it.

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Speaker 18: No, not at all.

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Speaker 17: But I think what's really at play here is that

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Speaker 17: as a coalition we've found a really good path forward

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Speaker 17: that meets both coalition agreements and everybody is on board.

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Speaker 17: All we have here is one issue about something in

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Speaker 17: the past, which was Labour's Royal Commission in terms of Reference,

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Speaker 17: and the commissioners I don't think there's a lot to

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Speaker 17: see there. What we have as a government working really

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Speaker 17: well and also acknowledging that there might be a point

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Speaker 17: of difference on that one little issue.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Brook, Thank you very much, Brook van Velden.

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Speaker 3: The Internal affairsmanis to listen. I'm just watching the cricket

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Speaker 3: at the moment. With all the whooping and hollering and

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Speaker 3: crying and hugging and stuff that's going on, it would

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Speaker 3: appear that Afghanistan has beaten Bangladesh and the T twenty

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Speaker 3: World Cup and advance through and they are, let me

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Speaker 3: tell you, fizzing. Five eleven.

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Speaker 4: Heather Dupless Wiki Leaks founded.

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Speaker 3: Julian Nossang is currently in the air on a plane

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Speaker 3: on the way to the island of Saipan after being

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Speaker 3: freed from UK prison. He's agreed to a plea deal

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Speaker 3: with the US. He's going to plead guilty to one

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Speaker 3: charge of conspiring to obtain and disclose classified US national

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Speaker 3: defense documents, so he'll appear in court in Saipan and

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Speaker 3: then he's going to walk free. New South Wales Green

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Speaker 3: Senator David Schubrit has been campaigning for Julian Massangan with

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Speaker 3: US now.

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Speaker 18: Hey, David, Yeah, hey, I'm good to speak with you,

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Speaker 18: and good to speak with you knowing that a really

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Speaker 18: brave Australian citizen is on his way.

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Speaker 3: Home by and when does he get home.

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Speaker 18: Well, we're hoping that he'll be home before the week

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Speaker 18: is out. And I think his you know, his family

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Speaker 18: and his supporters would would like him to have a

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Speaker 18: little bit of privacy on his trip back home and

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Speaker 18: his return to Australia. But we want him to be

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Speaker 18: dipping his seat in the sound of an Australian beach

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Speaker 18: before the week is out.

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Speaker 3: Are you sure that he is totally safe from US

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Speaker 3: authorities when he's in Saipan.

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Speaker 18: Well, look, no one's ever totally sure. I mean, this

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Speaker 18: is a government that was willing to reach across the

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Speaker 18: other side of the planet and then pluck him from

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Speaker 18: his family, prosecute him, and try and keep him in

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Speaker 18: jail for life. But I have a lot of regard

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Speaker 18: and respect for his legal team. They would not have

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Speaker 18: allowed this to happen if they weren't sure that it

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Speaker 18: would end with his eventual freedom in Australia. So, you know,

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Speaker 18: I have a lot of regard for his legal team,

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Speaker 18: and I'm certain that they've put in place the protections

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Speaker 18: they need for their client and so Julian can get home.

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Speaker 3: How much work did the Aussie government do on the

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Speaker 3: Plea deal?

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Speaker 18: Well, I do want to give credit to the the

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Speaker 18: Australian Ambassador in Washington, Kevin Ruddiformer Australian Prime Minister. I know,

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Speaker 18: I know from reports from the Assrange team. I know

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Speaker 18: from going over to Washington myself as part of a

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Speaker 18: broader delegation and urging the embassy and members of US

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Speaker 18: Congress to do all they could to release Julian and Sun.

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Speaker 18: I know, I know he's put genuine effort in and

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Speaker 18: I think that's really important. I think the fact that

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Speaker 18: we've we've had politicians from across the political spectrum here

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Speaker 18: in Australia unite together to ask to well, to demand

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Speaker 18: that Julian Bill had to come home. I think I

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Speaker 18: think that's all been incredibly important.

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Speaker 3: David, good to talk to you, mate, Thank you so

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Speaker 3: much appreciated. David Tubridge, Green Senator for New South Wales.

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Speaker 4: Do for se Allen the gett that.

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Speaker 3: Justina front and front and center. I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 3: that's probably my favorite bit of what Brook Van Velden said,

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Speaker 3: you might actually see the old Ashley and the old Justinda,

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Speaker 3: you know, team reunited behind a microphone under new ras.

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Speaker 3: How good would that be? Asking if you quick questions

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Speaker 3: and seeing them sweat on that one. I'm starting to

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Speaker 3: get really excited. I feel like I'm more excited about

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Speaker 3: this thing than I am about the doco. Even though

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Speaker 3: I'm slightly excited about the doco. That just should show

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Speaker 3: you how excited I am. Anyway, listen on more important news.

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Speaker 4: The cops have.

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Speaker 3: Arrested three kids for that robbery of the jewelry store

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Speaker 3: and pappatoy toy where the owner was smashed on the

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Speaker 3: head with the hammer and then were slashed on the

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Speaker 3: knife with a knife on the forehage, you remember that

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Speaker 3: one that just happened over the weekend. Get a load

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Speaker 3: of these ages. Fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, too young for boot

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Speaker 3: camps apparently, but absolutely not too young to allegedly had

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Speaker 3: a fully grown man on the head with a hammer repeatedly.

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Speaker 3: They have been charged with aggravated robbery with intent to

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Speaker 3: cause serious grievous bodily harm. That's a serious charge. The

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Speaker 3: sixteen year old also faces an additional charge of aggravated assault.

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Speaker 3: The fifteen year old also faces an additional charge of assault. Also,

873
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Speaker 3: the fifteen year old faces further charges after offending further north.

874
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 3: Apparently he was charged with two two aggravated robberies and

875
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,319
Speaker 3: an aggravated burglary that happened earlier this month. They will

876
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 3: all three appear in the Manecow Youth Court. I'll tell

877
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Speaker 3: you what a boot camp would be. The least of

878
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Speaker 3: their worries actually called a past. Now, if you're a

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Speaker 3: wine lover, you're gonna want to get amongst this one. A.

880
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Speaker 3: This is one of the most gob smacking sparkling wine

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Speaker 3: McBride's Sisters Collection Hawks Bay Sparkling Rose. It's made by

884
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Speaker 3: one of New Zealand's most famous wine producers. But it's

885
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Speaker 3: part of the deal, we have to keep their identity

886
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Speaker 3: a secret. They produce this wine for the US market,

887
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Speaker 3: but a large canceled export order means it's now available

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Speaker 3: for a simply incredible ten dollars ninety nine per bottle.

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Speaker 3: It's rated ninety two out of one hundred by Wine

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Speaker 3: Enthusiast magazine. This is a sparkling with delicious red fruit flavors,

891
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892
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Speaker 3: obvious class and style of a sparkling with a heck

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Speaker 3: of a lot more than ten ninety nine and gets

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895
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Speaker 3: the sparkling wine deal of the year. Just ten ninety

897
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898
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Speaker 3: anywhere in New Zealand. Phones are going to be ringing

899
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Speaker 3: hot on. This one is your best better to order

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Speaker 3: online right now at the Goodwine dot Co. Do on

901
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Speaker 3: is heat. We can give him a call. Oh eight

902
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Speaker 3: hundred double six two double.

903
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Speaker 4: Six to two ever duper c alen.

904
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Speaker 3: Either forget the hammer first lay firstly, are they old

905
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 3: enough to rob a store? If they are, they are

906
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: old enough to go to jail? End of story. One

907
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Speaker 3: hundred percent with you, one hundred percent with you, nineteen

908
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 3: past five. Now Hamilton Council is in a bit of

909
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: trouble for a letter he wrote to a neighboring district council.

910
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 3: The whipa district council Andrew Bidder made a submission to

911
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,240
Speaker 3: YPA over the placement of a third bridge and Cambridge

912
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 3: to give you an idea of why this is so controversial.

913
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Speaker 3: Here's a line from the submission that I'm going to

914
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Speaker 3: have to heavily censors so we don't get BSA. What

915
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:41,319
Speaker 3: the F word?

916
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Speaker 10: Are you?

917
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: Two offensive words for intellectually disabled people, the R word

918
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: and the S word sees doing So let's talk to

919
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: Andrew Bidder about this. Hey, Andrew, Andrew, why did you

920
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 3: use this language?

921
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Speaker 19: Because anyone who's ever complaining to a council will know

922
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 19: the five deeds of bureaucracy, delay, the fur, deny, defend, dismiss.

923
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 19: If you're polite, I know from experience, nothing happens. It

924
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 19: is a waste of time. Your ever your article about

925
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 19: clean slates and three strikes. WYPAW Council does not have

926
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Speaker 19: a clean slate. It's been through its three strikes. I

927
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 19: have tried to be polite in the past and never

928
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 19: got anywhere. I did this because it cannot be ignored.

929
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Speaker 19: It was the only way to get a reaction and

930
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Speaker 19: to get the issue dealt with, So rather not do

931
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Speaker 19: it this way. But if it's the only way they react, then.

932
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Speaker 3: I have to Okay, it sounds to me like you're

933
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Speaker 3: in legal trouble. Right Your Mayor Paula Southgate has called

934
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Speaker 3: the lawyers in.

935
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Speaker 13: Well.

936
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Speaker 19: The New Zealand Bill of Rights, Section fourteen states everyone

937
00:43:54,840 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 19: has the right to freedom of expression to impart opinions

938
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Speaker 19: of any kind in any form.

939
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Speaker 3: There are restrictions on that, Andrew, there are restrictions. I

940
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 3: can't even say those words on air. I would lose

941
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Speaker 3: my job.

942
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Speaker 19: That's related to the broadcasting standards. You have the right

943
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Speaker 19: to say those words, just not necessarily.

944
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Speaker 2: On the air.

945
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Speaker 3: Look, and I love freedom of speech and stuff, but

946
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: there are professional expectations, not particularly professional, is it?

947
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: Well?

948
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Speaker 19: At one key point is I didn't do this as

949
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Speaker 19: a Hamilton City councilor. I am a wye PA resident,

950
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Speaker 19: a y P ratepayer. I did this because it affects

951
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Speaker 19: my wife power property. And I did it on the

952
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Speaker 19: Wye Paw council website.

953
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: Okay, so there was nothing to.

954
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Speaker 19: Do with Hamilton City Council about this, Andrew.

955
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Speaker 3: If you think about the particular the potential ramifications of

956
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 3: what you've done, was it really worth it to draw

957
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: attention to the bridge, like really.

958
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 4: Was it right.

959
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 19: So the way the wipeout council did this, it's having

960
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 19: an impact on one hundred houses and probably wiping out

961
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Speaker 19: half their value. So that's a fifty million dollar cockup.

962
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 3: Is that a yes? Then yes, Andrew, thank you, I

963
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Speaker 3: really appreciate your time. That's Andrew Bidter. Hamilton City Council

964
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Speaker 3: councilor oh why par District Councils put out a statement

965
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: saying his assertion that the process was altered by his

966
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 3: letters entirely false. His feedback was treated the same as

967
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Speaker 3: any other piece of feedback and did not change the

968
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Speaker 3: approach five twenty two.

969
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Speaker 1: The man you trust to get the answers you need

970
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: Heather duple c Allen drive with one New Zealand let's

971
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Speaker 1: get connected a news talk.

972
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Speaker 4: As they'd be.

973
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,959
Speaker 3: By the way, one of the implications of Afghanistan making

974
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Speaker 3: it through the T twenty is they knocked Australia out

975
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Speaker 3: five twenty five. Now on Farmac, I mean, I think

976
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 3: we can all see that the NATS staffed up with

977
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: stuffed up the thirteen cancer drugs announcement on so many levels. Right,

978
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 3: they should never have promised the specific drugs because that's

979
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,319
Speaker 3: Farmac's job. And then having promised them, and in the

980
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Speaker 3: first year the government they shouldn't have broken that promise

981
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Speaker 3: by leaving them out of the budget. And then after that.

982
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: It's never really a good look as that if you

983
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 3: finally get dragged to delivering on your promise because of

984
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 3: public outrage over it. But having said all of those things,

985
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 3: sometimes I think we can get a little too caught

986
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: up in the political shenanigans and not focus enough on

987
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 3: the end point. How good is the end point? I mean,

988
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: we have just had the single biggest injection of cash

989
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 3: into Farmac ever. We've had more cancer drugs than ever

990
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: promised to be delivered in one go that announcement yesterday

991
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: are fifty four new drugs that wiped more than a

992
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 3: third off Farmak's wish list. Between the six hundred million

993
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 3: dollars that was given yesterday and then the one point

994
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Speaker 3: seven billion dollars that was announced in the budget, this government,

995
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Speaker 3: which hasn't even been in power for nine months, has

996
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: just managed to pump two point three billion dollars into Farmac.

997
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 3: Now I'm of the view personally that Farmac is one

998
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: of the most important things that any government funds. Is

999
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 3: this literally the difference for some people between life and death.

1000
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 3: And and then those people are people who more often

1001
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: than not have actually paid their taxes diligently and just

1002
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 3: been good people. And what normal law abiding key is

1003
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 3: I think deserve access to as many drugs they can

1004
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 3: save their lives as anyone else in the Western world.

1005
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: I will never ever complain about FARMAC getting more money.

1006
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 3: However we end up in the weird situation that they

1007
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Speaker 3: get more money. So in the end, I'm actually weirdly

1008
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 3: grateful for national stuffing this up, because we've ended up

1009
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 3: funding fifty four new drugs that we didn't have funded

1010
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 3: only a couple of days ago. And isn't that the

1011
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: thing that actually really matters the most?

1012
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 20: Ever?

1013
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 4: Do forel right.

1014
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 2: Here we go?

1015
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 3: You want this third striker toe who David me tying

1016
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 3: Na Thai David to Who David me tying Na Thai

1017
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: is a third striker who repeatedly sexually assaults women. He

1018
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: has over one hundred criminal convictions as an adult, is

1019
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 3: believed to be a gang associate. His daughter has a

1020
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: protection order against him. According to the judge who sentenced

1021
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: him on his third strike, he has been assessed by

1022
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 3: probation as a high risk of reoffending and a high

1023
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: risk of causing harm to others. So he's he's one

1024
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: of those guys. He's not nice. Again, you probably don't

1025
00:47:58,440 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: want to come across him in the dark and an

1026
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 3: alley somewhere out the back of town. Anyway, because the

1027
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 3: government is reintroducing the three strikes two point zero legislation

1028
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: in the way that they are, he's going to have

1029
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 3: a clean slate. So currently today he's got three strikes.

1030
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 3: When this law passes, he got no strikes. He's going

1031
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: to have a clean slate, because he's obviously a lovely chat. Also,

1032
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 3: what's even worse is that under the new legislation as

1033
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 3: being introduced by the government, he wouldn't even be a

1034
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 3: third striker if this is the way that that introduced

1035
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 3: to the first time around, because as you know, third

1036
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,720
Speaker 3: strike or any strike only kicks in with prison sentences

1037
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: over two years. His first strike offense, which was in

1038
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: a decent assault, he only got one year three months

1039
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 3: jail no strike. Under the new law. Second strike offense,

1040
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 3: another and decent result, he was sentenced to one year

1041
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 3: one month imprisonment no strike under the new law. So

1042
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 3: our friend Tohu David me tying Artai would actually be

1043
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 3: a no striker under the law. Tell me that's a

1044
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: good law. I'm gonna ask Nicole mckeif if that's a

1045
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 3: good law when she's with us next. He used to

1046
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 3: exit b.

1047
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app and in

1048
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 1: your car on.

1049
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: Your drive home.

1050
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: Hither due to see allan drive with one New Zealand

1051
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: let's get connected and news talk z'd be bather.

1052
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 3: I can tell you one thing, those young criminals become

1053
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 3: far better at what they do outside of jail than

1054
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 3: they do in a practice makes perfect and those individuals

1055
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 3: look like a well practiced team. Break that myth that

1056
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: jail makes them better criminals, Well, outside jail makes them

1057
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 3: even better. Steve may have a fair point there, I think, Hey,

1058
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 3: New Zealand, Rugby's opened its books. Yeah, you know once

1059
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 3: again in the red Water surprise loss of nine million

1060
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,439
Speaker 3: dollars almost for the financial year. The income was two

1061
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 3: sixty eight million, but the expenditure was two seventy seven million,

1062
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 3: therefore deficit of eight point nine million. It's slightly better

1063
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 3: than the year before where they had a loss of

1064
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 3: forty seven million, so things are in the right direction.

1065
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: I suppose Mark Robinson CEO will be with us after

1066
00:49:56,560 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 3: six o'clock. The huddle is standing by right now. It's

1067
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 3: twenty four away from six together. Do see Godman is introduced.

1068
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 3: It's revamped three strikes law to Parliament today, but it

1069
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 3: is quite a watered down version of what three strikes

1070
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 3: used to be. The new law is not going to

1071
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,719
Speaker 3: apply to any sentences under two years. It's going to

1072
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 3: wipe all previous strikes. It's going to clean slate all

1073
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 3: the criminals. Nicole McKee is the Associate Justice Minister and

1074
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 3: with us he Nicole.

1075
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 17: Hi, great to be back with you again, Nicole.

1076
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 3: I can't imagine that you are comfortable with clean slating

1077
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 3: all of these thugs. Why are you doing that?

1078
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 17: Well, we have to, and the reason why we have

1079
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 17: to is because the regime that's about to be introduced

1080
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 17: is going to be different to the one that we

1081
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 17: had in the past, and because of that, it means

1082
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 17: that we cannot carry over people from a different, repealed

1083
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 17: regime into a new one.

1084
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 3: Why don't you just move that same, Nicole, make it

1085
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 3: the same so that you can carry it over.

1086
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 17: You know, it would be great if we could make

1087
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 17: it the same. But I think the reality is if

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Speaker 17: we do that, it's just going to be repelled again,

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Speaker 17: and all those criminals.

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Speaker 3: Who can't let out who cares.

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Speaker 17: Lab wheel here here because we want to make sure

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Speaker 17: that victims are looked after and that the real serious, repeat,

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Speaker 17: sexual and violent offenders are locked up. And what Labor

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Speaker 17: has done has basically said the way you mean about

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Speaker 17: it was wrong. We're going to let them out, and

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Speaker 17: we don't want that to happen again. Now, there were

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Speaker 17: some genuine concerns about lower level offending being caught up

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Speaker 17: in the three strikes regime. Three strikes is meant to

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Speaker 17: go after the most serious violent offenders, and when you

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Speaker 17: get the low level offending being caught up, then you

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Speaker 17: are not actually meeting the intent of the law. So

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Speaker 17: we've got to make sure that those people that were

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Speaker 17: serving a third strike, that had seventy four offenses amongst

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Speaker 17: them each as an average, are going to be locked up.

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Speaker 17: And this new regime is going to make sure that happened.

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Speaker 3: Nicole. Let me tell you about Rona Peritomata. He is

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Speaker 3: a third striker. His third strike was beating his girlfriend

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Speaker 3: to death in twenty nineteen with his bare hands. Under

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Speaker 3: your law, he wouldn't even be a third striker because

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Speaker 3: his first defense was aggravated robbery, for which he got

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Speaker 3: eight months home detention, strike under the old law, not

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Speaker 3: a strike under yours. Second was a robbery, twenty months

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Speaker 3: in jail, strike under the old law, not a strike

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Speaker 3: under yours. Ends up killing his girlfriend. You want to

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Speaker 3: tell me he shouldn't be a third striker.

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Speaker 17: And I think the changes that we're making to the

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Speaker 17: regime where we give sentencing principles to the judges that

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Speaker 17: say to them, pay you cannot behave in such a

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Speaker 17: way that you use the three strikes regime as a

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Speaker 17: reason to offer discount. I mean some of those issues

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Speaker 17: of that, that's not what I'm talking about. Want to

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Speaker 17: make sure that the judges that implement the law understand

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Speaker 17: the true intent of the law.

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Speaker 3: And that's not what I'm doing. That's about the judges.

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Speaker 3: That this is not about the judges.

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Speaker 17: This is about you, judge, giving out the sentences.

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Speaker 3: You have written the law so that our friend are Unaptitomata,

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Speaker 3: who ends up killing his girlfriend on his third strike,

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Speaker 3: never even reaches the third strike under your law. That's

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Speaker 3: on you, that's not on the judges.

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Speaker 17: Well, actually, no, it's not on me. What's on me

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Speaker 17: is to make sure that we have a regime in

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Speaker 17: the future that's fit for purpose, that won't be repat

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Speaker 17: that locks up those serious violent offendors.

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Speaker 4: What's the point role who cares?

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Speaker 3: If you're going to give me a piece of legislation

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Speaker 3: that's a dog who cares if it gets repealed or not.

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Speaker 3: It's not work. It's not going to work.

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Speaker 17: Then I invite everybody who has the same opinion as

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Speaker 17: you to take advantage of the Select Committy process. Come

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Speaker 17: in and tell us what it is that they want

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Speaker 17: to make it stronger, and let's see what we can

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Speaker 17: do to accommodate that as we go through that Select

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Speaker 17: Committee process. That's why it's so important to have it

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Speaker 17: and make sure people have a say.

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Speaker 3: Nicole, would you like to actually beef it up? And

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Speaker 3: do you need our help to come along to the

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Speaker 3: Select Committee process to help you to beef it up.

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Speaker 17: The more people that submit and tell us what they

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Speaker 17: really want in there, the more that the Justice Select

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Speaker 17: Committee will be able to listen and hopefully accommodate them.

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Speaker 3: Would you like to beef it up?

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Speaker 17: I think that we need to go harsh and hard

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Speaker 17: on our criminals, especially those serious violent ones. But I

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Speaker 17: also think that we need to have some sort of

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Speaker 17: out for the lower level offending. But I also think

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Speaker 17: that we need to make sure that the principles of

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Speaker 17: sentencing are in place so that the judges do understand

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Speaker 17: the intent of the regime and that those really serious

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Speaker 17: offenders are locked before I let.

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Speaker 3: You go, long time before I let you go. You're

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Speaker 3: talking about lower level offending, right, which is offending which

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Speaker 3: doesn't capture, which is under two years in jail?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Oh, mate Tomata, first offense aggravated robbery eight months home

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Speaker 3: d Is that low level offending as far as you're concerned.

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Speaker 17: Well, when we look at the qualifying offenses, there's a

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Speaker 17: list of forty One of them was forty it's going

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Speaker 17: to be forty one. And as I mentioned, the principles

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Speaker 17: on sentencing, guidelines for the judges really spout out in

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Speaker 17: this new bill that we're putting through will ensure that

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Speaker 17: people that do have offenses like that, if they are serious,

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Speaker 17: are sentenced appropriately and then given the strike as a

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Speaker 17: part of that. As I mentioned, for people to actually

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Speaker 17: come and be a part of the flex the process

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Speaker 17: tell us what they really think, what they'd really like

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Speaker 17: to see, because what people's views are actually matter, and

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Speaker 17: it's how we go about making sure we have good legislation.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well, here's hoping you get the support you need, Nicole,

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Speaker 3: to make this the thing it needs to be. Thank

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Speaker 3: you so much for your time, Nicole McKee, Associate Justice Minister.

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Speaker 3: We're going to come back to this. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: come back to this and just attack. First of all though,

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Speaker 3: do you think, Jordan that we are going to end

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Speaker 3: up with Jacinda and Ashley in the stand giving public submissions?

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope.

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Speaker 21: So you look around the world and the equivalent inquiries

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Speaker 21: have pot under the litmus test in a public hearing.

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Speaker 21: The decision makers that frankly, they you know, it's difficult

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Speaker 21: to imagine sending people home to stay at home is

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Speaker 21: pretty amazing. It is incredible that we've not had that

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Speaker 21: to date and at the current and inquiry had all

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Speaker 21: that behind closed doors. Look, even if there's nothing wrong,

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Speaker 21: it is only right. I mean, for example, look at

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Speaker 21: what came out in Scotland and in Britain in relation

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Speaker 21: to the WhatsApp messages. We pride ourselves on being on

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Speaker 21: having transparent government and this is of course we should

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Speaker 21: understand what was going on behind the scenes. And I

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Speaker 21: think it's just extraordinary that that wasn't the default.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, Kine you there for that. I'm there for that.

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Speaker 15: Am I there for having people up on the stand.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Oh, you don't want you don't want the decision makers

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Speaker 3: to answer some questions about sending you home.

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Speaker 15: I think if we had the decision makers on the stand,

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Speaker 15: and there's a whole lot of people besides the iconic

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Speaker 15: few that we would all point to and say that

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Speaker 15: they should be on the stand. But if you go

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Speaker 15: back and think about the shape of the current World

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Speaker 15: Commission of Inquiry, Yes, the scope is new, but I

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Speaker 15: think we've got kind of swaying the other way around

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Speaker 15: where we've got on. Okay, we're going to have a

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Speaker 15: huge public trial to hear all the concerns that people have,

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Speaker 15: which we know from a certain demographic is going to

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Speaker 15: be putting people on trial for their views that the vaccine.

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Speaker 2: Calls that's not damage.

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Speaker 4: Happened.

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Speaker 15: Yes, yes it does, Yes it does. That's what we're

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Speaker 15: responding to. I think there's a middle ground here, which is, yes,

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Speaker 15: there needs to be accountability, Yes, there needs to be transparency.

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Speaker 15: I think the lessons that we can learn were the

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Speaker 15: systems that were put in place at the time to

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Speaker 15: provide the oversight necessary for the public's assurance. Were they right?

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Speaker 15: I think that's the question that needs to be answered.

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Speaker 15: That's the one I would be interested in.

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Speaker 21: COVID has done more to drive both both polarization and

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Speaker 21: reduced trust and institutions in New Zealand. To say that

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Speaker 21: that the will suggest that this sort of inquiry should

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Speaker 21: be behind closed doors. How does that address those questions.

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Speaker 15: I'm not suggesting it should be behind closed doors, and

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Speaker 15: I don't think COVID is the problem. I think it

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Speaker 15: has responded to how we've responded to COVID has been

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Speaker 15: the problem. The fact that it's sitting behind closed doors

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Speaker 15: I think is being addressed by the second round of

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Speaker 15: the inquiry. But we shouldn't be looking for something that

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Speaker 15: provides us with the opportunity to put people on trial.

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Speaker 15: That's not the objective. The objective is to make sure

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Speaker 15: that in future, when these situations arrive, that we're better

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Speaker 15: equipped to be no, no, no no. And I agree

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Speaker 15: it's going to be trying about.

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Speaker 3: The next pandemic. What I want is answers about what

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Speaker 3: was done to this country. I think we deserve them. Okay, I.

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Speaker 2: Am here.

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Speaker 15: I'm taking account of you here. You know, like I

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Speaker 15: think there is a degree of accountability and transparency in

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Speaker 15: the process. That's the fight. I've said that before. I

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Speaker 15: just don't know that braying over a trial is the

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Speaker 15: right way to go about.

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Speaker 1: Love.

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Speaker 3: Do you love just Andana? You're scared of what's going

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Speaker 3: to happen to her.

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Speaker 15: I'm not scared of what's going to happen to anyone.

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Speaker 15: I think if anyone can in the public office, they

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Speaker 15: have to be a council and they have to be transparent.

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Speaker 15: All right, But I'm okay with that part. But I

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Speaker 15: think that there's a whole system that sits behind us.

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Speaker 15: It can't just be yes.

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Speaker 3: But there's always one there's always one boss Kine who

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Speaker 3: makes the call, and that boss is going to have

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Speaker 3: to wear it will take a quick break and come back.

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Speaker 3: We're definitely gonna talk about three strikes fourteen away from six.

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Speaker 3: On the Huddle with me, We've got Can Thomson, Jordan

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Speaker 3: Williams Right, Jordan. The three streaks is three strikes law

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Speaker 3: needs beefing up, doesn't it.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, firstly, let me just make clear. I think I

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Speaker 21: worked with Nicole McKee prior to before she was before

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Speaker 21: she was famous. I think Nicole is one of the

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Speaker 21: most remarkable New Zealander is one of the most remarkable MPs.

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Speaker 21: I am sad to say Nicole has been totally captured

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Speaker 21: by officials on this matter. It is so bad, this

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Speaker 21: three strikes two point zero. It is so bad. The

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Speaker 21: Sensible Sentencing Trust, the guys that were behind the first

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Speaker 21: round are literally reforming the band or a fundraising to

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Speaker 21: sort of reform their group in order to oppose this law.

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Speaker 21: It is so bad. I thought that it was extraordinary

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Speaker 21: that Nicole said that. You know, but the good thing

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Speaker 21: is this won't be repealed by labor. Well, no, your

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Speaker 21: job is to get good law across the line.

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Speaker 3: It is to protect us from.

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Speaker 21: From absolute thugs, these recidivus. I mean, you've got you

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Speaker 21: were reading out the profile earlier. It's extraordinary. That's your job,

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Speaker 21: not measure it well. Labour thinks this is okay, because

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Speaker 21: I thought, because.

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Speaker 3: If Labour thinks it's okay, it's probably not.

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Speaker 21: It's just extraordinary. The other thing, I mean, I've look,

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Speaker 21: I'm not bringing any sex secret with you. I've had

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Speaker 21: Nicole up about us and she said yes. But the

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Speaker 21: advice I'm getting is that it's retrospective. And we can't

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Speaker 21: mean to think that they're not even going to count

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Speaker 21: the strikes under the last regime. They're going to reset

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Speaker 21: everyone absolutely nuts. Look, she needs to get external legal advice.

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Speaker 21: It does not take the brains of Britain to realize

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Speaker 21: this is not retrospective. It is simply sentencing policy for

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Speaker 21: offenses that haven't yet been committed to. Right, it is

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Speaker 21: not retrospective.

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Speaker 3: Cain, what do you think?

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Speaker 15: Well, surprise, surprise, I'm going to agree with Jordan if

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Speaker 15: you want to pass the law with regardless of whether

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Speaker 15: I agree with it or not, or anyone agrees with.

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Speaker 13: Whether or not.

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Speaker 15: If you're passing law, pass the law you want to pass.

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Speaker 15: This doesn't feel like it's the law they want to pass.

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Speaker 15: And I think that the argument that some would make

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Speaker 15: that it's retroactive, well, look, plenty of law can be

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Speaker 15: retroactive if you think about the way that it's applied.

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Speaker 15: I think that Jordan's probably right again that the professionals

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Speaker 15: have captured the view here of the minister. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 15: sorry the other way around. But I'm not necessarily saying

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Speaker 15: I agree with the law. But if you're going to

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Speaker 15: pass the law, make the law work. To say that

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Speaker 15: it's going to withstand the scrutiny of a subsequent government,

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Speaker 15: I think is weak source to be honest.

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Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Hey, Kin, what do you think of

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Speaker 3: Julian Sans walking free?

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Speaker 18: Finally, I don't know if I care.

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Speaker 15: Hither I think like it's it was a huge steal

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Speaker 15: what twenty years ago. Yes, it's taken on a life

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Speaker 15: of its own. I mean, yes, he annoyed the government

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Speaker 15: of the United States of America. Mike Pence has already

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Speaker 15: said it's a miss garage of justice and all the

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Speaker 15: rest of it. But you know, like we're twenty years on,

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Speaker 15: I'm not sure I care.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon Jordan.

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Speaker 21: I'm really torn on this matter. He exposed the US

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Speaker 21: government for clearly illegal and highly unethical disgraceful behavior. On

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Speaker 21: the other hand, the allegation that he was begged for

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Speaker 21: stuff to be redacted that put lives in danger and

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Speaker 21: he chose not to points to him being evil too.

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Speaker 21: But you just can't tell what is sinister from the

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Speaker 21: US government. It's very clearly has been law fear against him. Yeah,

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Speaker 21: I really struggle to figure out who the hero is here.

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Speaker 3: For his own sake, like it's got Heather's outright Kane,

1339
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: because at least he's going to get some sunlight and

1340
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Speaker 3: proper food. I mean, he's not looking how.

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Speaker 21: The texts you needs we look for an investigator at

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01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 21: the moment, are you were? I mean he's probably would

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Speaker 21: he be employable?

1344
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Speaker 3: Actually, maybe you can come join our police for us

1345
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Speaker 3: to be.

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Speaker 15: To be don't know if you stand your good character test.

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Speaker 15: And I also think his techniques might be a little old.

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Speaker 15: Yeahs anyone's surprised that the United States government has been

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Speaker 15: up to up to f words on this. You know,

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Speaker 15: I was told I couldn't use some words on the

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Speaker 15: show tonight story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you.

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Speaker 15: Know, so he's had his twenty years and in a

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01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 15: situation where he had his rights constrained. Regardless of how

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Speaker 15: that was played out, whether it was in an embassy

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Speaker 15: he couldn't get out of, whether it was Bell Marsh present,

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Speaker 15: where it was, wherever it was, he's paid his price.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I tend to agree. Hey, guys, thank you. We're

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Speaker 3: going to leave the next one because I'm terrified that

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Speaker 3: Jordan's going to say all the bad words out loud.

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Speaker 3: Jordan Williams, Kane Thompson a huddle this evening, seven away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: On your smart speaker, on the iHeart app, and in

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,200
Speaker 1: your car on your drive home. Heather Duplicy allan drive

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01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: with one New Zealand one giant Leap for Business News

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01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 1: Talk as ZIB.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Heather, there's a big pole on TV and Z tonight. Actually, Ben,

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Speaker 3: thank you for the heads up, because Ben sent the

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Speaker 3: text and senators to Laura producer, Laura, is there is

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01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 3: there a pole on TV in zend and yep? So

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Speaker 3: that's not very good advertising. Is Mikey doing it again, Laura?

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Speaker 3: Because remember the last poll from Mikey. Oh yes, now

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Speaker 3: we're all interested. Anyway, we'll bring you all of the

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Speaker 3: all of the hyperbole as it comes through. Absolutely, Heather,

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01:04:41,160 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 3: you need to move on about just why focus on

1376
01:04:43,160 --> 01:04:45,080
Speaker 3: what happened. It happened. You're alive and well and we're

1377
01:04:45,080 --> 01:04:47,520
Speaker 3: not the only county with problems. Oh we're kind of bankrupt,

1378
01:04:47,680 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 3: is like sort of getting in that direction. So only on.

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Speaker 3: That's probably why here the get reel. We need to

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Speaker 3: prosecute her doing She was a megalomaniac narcissist, so people

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Speaker 3: are pretty split on that one. Listen, it is getting

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01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 3: a little tense at Wellington City Council ahead of the

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Speaker 3: big meeting on Thursday. There's been a flurry of emails

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Speaker 3: that have been exchanged that are so you're just juvenile.

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Speaker 3: I think I think is I think juvenile is probably

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01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 3: also But then Tory got like first it was juvenile.

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01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,080
Speaker 3: Then Tory got involved in it became legally problematic because

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Speaker 3: Tory didn't think before she said the things. So I'm

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Speaker 3: going to run you through that before I will do

1390
01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 3: it in the next half hour or so. Why not?

1391
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 3: How good is this? Can I just give you a

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01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: bit of good news. There are even more airlines for

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Speaker 3: you to choose from when you want to fly over

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Speaker 3: to Australia because I don't know about you, but if

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Speaker 3: you've tried to fly over to Australia recently and I've

1396
01:05:33,960 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 3: I've had to book tickets to Melbourne, I know, I

1397
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 3: hate Melbourne anyway, had to book tickets to Melbourne and

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Speaker 3: cost an arm in a league. So I'm very happy

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Speaker 3: to see there are more carriers. China Airlines is now

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Speaker 3: going to start running a service between Auckland and Melbourne.

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Speaker 3: They're going to do it five days a week if

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Speaker 3: they're gonna do it from December and if you want

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01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:52,600
Speaker 3: to go on you can also then fly on to Taipei,

1404
01:05:52,600 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 3: which is obviously the whole point of the thing. But regardless,

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01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:57,400
Speaker 3: what we're interested in is can we get cheaper airfares

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01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 3: to go across to Melbourne? And yes, you can love

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01:06:00,600 --> 01:06:03,280
Speaker 3: a bit of competition. So that's brilliant news. New Zealand

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,040
Speaker 3: Rugby is going to be with us straight after the

1409
01:06:06,080 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 3: news just coming up and we'll bring you that poll

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Speaker 3: as well. Newstalks at b.

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Speaker 1: Away we're business inside the Business Hour. We're the head

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Speaker 1: the duple c Allen and my Hr on news talks.

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Speaker 13: At b.

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Speaker 3: Even in coming up in the next hour. Brad Olson

1415
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 3: on the Westpac employment confidence plunge. Roe Duncan on the

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01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 3: problems with Sinleia. We're going to get you across the

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01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,480
Speaker 3: warehouse's massive pay packets for executives despite actually being quite

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01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,080
Speaker 3: rubbish at selling stuff. Seven pass six. By the way,

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01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 3: TV one has not even started with the poll, so

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Speaker 3: as soon as the poll numbers come through, we will

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Speaker 3: be bringing them to you now. On another matter, New

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Speaker 3: Zealand Rugby has posted a nearly nine million dollar loss

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Speaker 3: for last year. Match day income was down twenty eight million,

1424
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Speaker 3: down to seventeen million dollars compared to the year before,

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01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 3: and broadcast income took a dive as well. It's the

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Speaker 3: second loss making year in a row, but at least

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Speaker 3: it's an improvement on the forty seven million dollar loss

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Speaker 3: the year before. Mark Robinson is n z RCEEO and

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Speaker 3: with us now, hey Mark, hi hether a, you well,

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Speaker 3: thank you. Why is the broadcasting come down? You had

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Speaker 3: more people watching, so yeah.

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Speaker 22: This is a World Cup year obviously, twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 22: So traditionally our revenues around broadcast and match day down

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Speaker 22: and that's because there's less content in New Zealand. We

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01:07:46,040 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 22: don't play for example, a traditional rugby championship series, so

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01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:54,400
Speaker 22: we lose a bit of content out of our own

1437
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 22: domestic markets, which impacts on on their revenue.

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Speaker 3: Pretty much the same I would imagine with the match day.

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Speaker 22: In Yeah, exactly the same.

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01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 3: So now that we don't have a World Cup in

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Speaker 3: this upcoming year, do you reckon it'll be boosted enough

1442
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 3: to actually make a profit.

1443
01:08:09,800 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 22: Well, obviously those revenues will bounce back, but you know,

1444
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 22: we have a long standing sort of financial model that

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01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,719
Speaker 22: I think is well well understood here that that means

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Speaker 22: that we've got a lot of fixed costs in the model,

1447
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 22: and it is a challenging environment we're working in, but

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01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:30,320
Speaker 22: we're you know, we're certainly making a lot of attempts

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01:08:30,320 --> 01:08:32,400
Speaker 22: to change what that model looks like. We've been pretty

1450
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 22: open about the fact that although it served the game

1451
01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 22: incredibly well for a long period of time with a

1452
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 22: growth and revenue, we do need to look at a

1453
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 22: range of different areas. So I've actually just got to Napier.

1454
01:08:43,080 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 22: We're meeting with all of our provincial union CEOs to

1455
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 22: talk about what the future model could look like. And

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01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:53,479
Speaker 22: that's to do with our funding arrangements, our competition models,

1457
01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 22: our pathway models, and overall, I think everyone acknowledges we

1458
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 22: could do a few of these things better and that

1459
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 22: we could work towards a more optimal model. So that's

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Speaker 22: what we're spending a lot of time on at the moment.

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01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 3: So, so, have you got some idea of where else

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01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:07,240
Speaker 3: you can make money? Is that what you're saying?

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01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 22: No, I mean, broadly speaking, we don't think revenues in

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 22: the game at the moment. The issue we've got a model.

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Speaker 22: What I'm saying is we've got a model that you know,

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01:09:20,520 --> 01:09:23,320
Speaker 22: doesn't quite suit where the game is heading. So the

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 22: revenues across the game, you know, if you combine our

1468
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:31,920
Speaker 22: revenue with our provincial union, provincial union revenue and super revenue,

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01:09:31,960 --> 01:09:34,240
Speaker 22: is probably close to three hundred and fifty million dollars

1470
01:09:34,240 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 22: across the game. But what we're spending more time on

1471
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:40,720
Speaker 22: is looking at our strategy and the role that each

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Speaker 22: of our different stakeholder groups has to play in the game,

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 22: and trying to build more alignment on that and therefore

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 22: align the spending and the investment in different levels so

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Speaker 22: that we can the revenue.

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01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 3: You got to cut some things out of your budget.

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Speaker 3: Is that what you're talking about Well, some.

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Speaker 22: Of it might rationalize costs, some more apportion investment from

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01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 22: one area to another, But yeah, the overall we're looking

1480
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,040
Speaker 22: at both of those opportunities.

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,880
Speaker 3: Really, are you talking about shifting who pays the salaries

1482
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,120
Speaker 3: of the in the wages of the players.

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01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,439
Speaker 22: Look, we're not. We're not talking about any one particular moment.

1484
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 22: I guess we're talking about a whole range of things

1485
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 22: coming together. So we've got clearly the players and the

1486
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 22: RPA are really active partners as it relates to what

1487
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 22: our competitions look like a union.

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01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 3: That's the biggest cost, isn't it? Actually paying these people

1489
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 3: to play the game is a significant cost for you,

1490
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 3: isn't it.

1491
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:41,719
Speaker 22: We have significant costs around lots of parts of the business.

1492
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 22: You know, we're an isolated country sitting, you know, a

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01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,200
Speaker 22: long way away from where we play a lot of

1494
01:10:46,200 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 22: our international rugby, so being involved in our competitions is

1495
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 22: a significant cost. Retaining our best talent as a significant cost,

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 22: investing in the community games as a significant cost. We're

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,120
Speaker 22: looking at I think we are in a real position

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01:10:58,200 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 22: compared to a lot of other national unions. Wore she

1499
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 22: investing in growth as well, So we have a new

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01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 22: commercial entity that we're we're looking at investing into the

1501
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 22: long term future growth of the game. So all of

1502
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 22: those things require investment, and I think what we are

1503
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:12,920
Speaker 22: singling is we think the model can be a more

1504
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 22: optimal model. It's just going to take a bit of time.

1505
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 22: Like all things in you know, stakeholder organizations, it just

1506
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 22: takes a bit of time to work through.

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:22,000
Speaker 3: Fair enough. Hey, by the way, while I've got you,

1508
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,479
Speaker 3: has Patsy really quit yet?

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01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 22: No? Absolutely not, No, she's I took that question a

1510
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:30,679
Speaker 22: while ago and wasn't sure where it had come from.

1511
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 22: But no, no, she's She was in what.

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01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: Was last night about Mark? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 3: She said if she didn't get proposal won through, she

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Speaker 3: was quitting, and then she didn't.

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Speaker 22: I've been really clear on this, Heather. I'm not I'm

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01:11:46,439 --> 01:11:48,160
Speaker 22: not getting into talking about the government.

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Speaker 3: I'm not talking about that either. I'm asking you where

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Speaker 3: the pats are? Did she quit not?

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Speaker 22: That's a question. Well she's no, she hasn't, and that's

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01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:01,799
Speaker 22: a question for for Patsy. But she she's very active,

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01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,679
Speaker 22: engaged in her oband and hasn't resigned.

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Speaker 3: The old boy who cried Wolfe. By the way, having

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01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,080
Speaker 3: a look at that squad. Are you confident.

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Speaker 22: I'm excited. Isn't it great?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 22: You know, I think an awesome balance of some real experienced,

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01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 22: talented players. It's an emerging talent, so now we're really

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01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 22: looking forward to it. Dunedin has sold out, Auckland sold out.

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01:12:27,160 --> 01:12:31,200
Speaker 22: I think we're looking the extra seats for Auckland, and

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01:12:31,320 --> 01:12:33,799
Speaker 22: San Diego is close to selling out. So you combine

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01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 22: that with Super Rugby Finals selling out last weekend and

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01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:40,479
Speaker 22: you know, it's really exciting for the game. The products

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01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:44,000
Speaker 22: clearly grabbed the attention of fans and we're really excited about.

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Speaker 3: First choice first five? Is it Bowden or is it Damien.

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Speaker 22: I don't get into that sort of thing. That's well

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Speaker 22: beyond my remit Heather, but I've got full confidence in

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01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 22: this true to pick the right people and we're lucky

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01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 22: we've got great depth and number of positions.

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Speaker 15: So that's good stuff.

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Speaker 3: Hey, thank you very much, Marke. I really appreciated Mark Robinson.

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Speaker 3: New Zealand Rugby CEO. Patsy hasn't quite what a surprise, mate.

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01:13:10,360 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 3: If you're gonna say, like if you're gonna be all

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01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 3: petulant and say that, ain't get in my way. I'm

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,800
Speaker 3: going to quit. Then you need to do the honorable

1545
01:13:16,920 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 3: thing and fall on your sword. Afterwards, I'll be hanging

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01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,360
Speaker 3: around like a bad smell Patsy, just saying, anyway, here

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Speaker 3: you go, here's the poll. Here's Mikey Breaven breathe out.

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Speaker 4: It's a coalition.

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Speaker 3: Sigh of relief. Oh I love it. National thirty eight

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01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 3: up to Labor, twenty nine down one, Green thirteen down one,

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Speaker 3: Act seven Stable, New Zealand First on six up two,

1552
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 3: Multi Party three down one, Top On two up one.

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01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,439
Speaker 3: In the House, the National Act, New Zealand First coalition

1554
01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:53,680
Speaker 3: under the Pole has the numbers to govern as you

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01:13:53,680 --> 01:13:56,879
Speaker 3: would expect. They've got sixty four seats, et cetera. Basically

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01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,479
Speaker 3: just confirming what we did in the election. Chris Luxen

1557
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 3: in terms of per popularity, he's on twenty three percent,

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01:14:02,680 --> 01:14:06,040
Speaker 3: Chippy is on eighteen up two, Chloe swallbricks on six

1559
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 3: no change, Winston Peter's on four no change, and David

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01:14:08,600 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 3: Sema on four down one quarter past six.

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Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's Heather Dup

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Speaker 1: for c Allen with the Business Hours. Thanks to my HR,

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Speaker 1: the HR platform for sme on us talksb.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know what a hybrid is, right, what about

1565
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Speaker 3: a super hybrid? Well, take the BYDC Lion six. That

1566
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 3: is a super hybrid. And when you buy a Sea

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01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 3: Lion six and then the dealer handsey the keys, you're

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Speaker 3: going to hear them say something you've never heard a

1569
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Speaker 3: dealer say before, and that is we're filled up the

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Speaker 3: tank for you, but make sure you use the petrol

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Speaker 3: before it goes off. And they are not kidding. The

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Speaker 3: BYDC Lion six gets a range of one hundred ks

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Speaker 3: on a full charge, and that's enough for a lot

1574
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Speaker 3: of people to get there and back without using a

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Speaker 3: drop of petrol. In fact, the Sea Lion six is

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01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 3: so full of electricity you can actually use it to

1577
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Speaker 3: power other things like the coffee machine, or the fringes

1578
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 3: or the heater is you can even plug your electric

1579
01:14:57,320 --> 01:14:59,439
Speaker 3: guitar amp into it if you wanted to just do

1580
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Speaker 3: a bit of bus on the side of the road

1581
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:03,320
Speaker 3: because you've got a bit of time. Now, it's not

1582
01:15:03,479 --> 01:15:06,599
Speaker 3: you that's saved money, right, it's not just saving you money,

1583
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 3: but it's also making you money. How good is that?

1584
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,920
Speaker 3: And that is what makes the BYDC Lion six a

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Speaker 3: super hybrid. Check it out at byd Auto dot Co

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Speaker 3: dot MZ Heaver du selten past six. Now, confidence in

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01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 3: the job market has taken a big hit over the

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:23,759
Speaker 3: past three months. West Pax Employment Confidence Survey dropped thirteen

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01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 3: points overall. Informatics principal economist Brad Olson is with us

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01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:30,559
Speaker 3: on this evening to your Brad good evening, What does

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Speaker 3: this actually measure? Is this measuring people in work worried

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01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 3: about staying in work or changing jobs? Or does it mensure?

1593
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 3: Does it? Does it measure people trying to find work?

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01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:39,120
Speaker 18: Well?

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01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 23: Sort of measures a range of people. I mean parts

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01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 23: of what you've just outlined is and there in terms

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01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:46,559
Speaker 23: of sort of what people have work and you know,

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01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 23: also what they're thinking about for the future, sort of

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01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,680
Speaker 23: goes through it surveyed a bunch of people because I

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01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 23: think this is probably the important thing. It gives us

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01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:56,840
Speaker 23: an idea once you break it down in terms of

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01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 23: current job opportunities, so sort of you know what a

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01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 23: feel like there are at the moment when they've been

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01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 23: going around either because looking for work, because they don't

1605
01:16:05,200 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 23: have a job, or because they've got a job. You know,

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01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 23: they're casting around for other opportunities, but also things like

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01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 23: expected job opportunity, So you know, what are they hearing

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01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 23: and seeing out there when they're talking to recruiters. Is

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01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,920
Speaker 23: it looking up or down? What is earnings? And what's

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01:16:17,920 --> 01:16:19,680
Speaker 23: your own job security? And that's actually a bit of

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01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 23: a big one as well. That has turned negative. It

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01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 23: was positive last quarterback at the start of this year,

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01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:29,360
Speaker 23: it was slightly positive. It's now negative, which suggests that

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01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 23: more people than not going, actually I'm worried that I'm

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01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 23: going to lose a job. You know, I'm not sort

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01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:36,680
Speaker 23: of confident I'm still going to have that pay. So

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01:16:36,720 --> 01:16:39,720
Speaker 23: all of those numbers continuing to decline that you know,

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Speaker 23: I think they've said it's the worse since twenty twenty,

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01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 23: but if you go back even further than that, and

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01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 23: probably a better comparison, because it looks like it's about

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01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 23: on par it's not slightly worse than the worst part

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01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 23: of the sort offc place. So we are seeing people

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01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,000
Speaker 23: that are increasingly going, look, it's difficult to find a job.

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01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,880
Speaker 23: I'm not confident I will keep my current job. That's

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01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 23: a bad sign for the lab market.

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Speaker 3: Clearly, Hell, Brad, do we explain the fact that in

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01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 3: the private sector, it took a bigger knock for confidence

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01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 3: than it did in the public sector. When the public

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01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:10,320
Speaker 3: sector is losing all of these jobs.

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Speaker 23: Well, you've got a wonder if part of that is

1631
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:17,680
Speaker 23: because the parting sector probably knew of those challenges a

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01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 23: lot earlier. So, I mean, if you look at some

1633
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 23: of those sort of figures that have come through, it

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01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:24,519
Speaker 23: possibly suggests there was a bit of preemption from the

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01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:27,000
Speaker 23: public sector sort of workers going look, we sort of

1636
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:29,200
Speaker 23: we could see this coming from a little bit of

1637
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 23: a mile away. It's also though, being seen in job

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01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 23: add numbers that have been published over the last week

1639
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,960
Speaker 23: or so from the likes to Seat, you know, those

1640
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:42,080
Speaker 23: employment figures and expectations around job numbers continue to be worse.

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Speaker 23: It was interesting. I've been out and presenting in Potty

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01:17:45,160 --> 01:17:47,679
Speaker 23: to do it today, talking to their business months and then,

1643
01:17:47,800 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 23: you know, the biggest question there was all around the

1644
01:17:49,560 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 23: public service cuts that have come through, and I think

1645
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:54,679
Speaker 23: the challenge is that they still haven't actually fully hit

1646
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 23: yet they you know, there's still those restructurings that are

1647
01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:00,000
Speaker 23: going on, and it probably won't be until September, maybe

1648
01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 23: the end of this year before we've got a full

1649
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:03,600
Speaker 23: and final picture of what that looks like.

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Speaker 3: Brad. It's so good to talk to you, mate, Thank

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Speaker 3: you very much appreciated. As Brad Olson Informetric's principal economists,

1652
01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 3: hither what happened to all the money from the silver

1653
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 3: Lake deal? Grant, that's what they're using right now, I

1654
01:18:14,080 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 3: would imagine to deal with the losses, right So when

1655
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 3: you have a loss, you just dip into the old

1656
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:19,559
Speaker 3: bank account. And what's in the bank account the money

1657
01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 3: from the silver Lake deal. Now, it seems CNN's a

1658
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 3: little bit touchy, isn't it about accusations of bias, because

1659
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 3: they cut off a live interview with Donald Trump's spokesperson

1660
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 3: after she had a crack at their debate moderator. So,

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Speaker 3: Caroline Leave, it is the press sect for Donald Trump

1662
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: at the moment, and she was on with Casey Hunt,

1663
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 3: who's the presenter of CNN this morning, and they were

1664
01:18:38,479 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 3: talking about the upcoming Trump v. Biden debate which is

1665
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:44,559
Speaker 3: being moderated by Jake Tapper and Dana Brash. And she

1666
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,680
Speaker 3: called in to question their bias and woof presenter did

1667
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:48,160
Speaker 3: not like it.

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01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,960
Speaker 21: What do you expect from Joe Biden?

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01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 14: Well, first of all, it's to it takes someone five

1670
01:18:55,360 --> 01:18:57,680
Speaker 14: minutes to google Jake Tapper Donald Trump to see that

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01:18:57,760 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 14: Jake Tapper has can stuff present.

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Speaker 3: If you're going to present my colleagelf.

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Speaker 21: Heilter, ma'am, I'm going to style if you've seed him

1674
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Speaker 21: to attack my colleagues.

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: I would like to talk about your seat and Donald.

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01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: Trump, who you work for.

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01:19:10,240 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 3: I am stating facts that your colleagues have stated in

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Speaker 3: the past.

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Speaker 12: Now I'm sorry, we're going to convictation.

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Speaker 1: Caroline.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your time, and with that

1682
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 3: they cut her off. Touchy much. Six twenty two, I.

1683
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Speaker 1: Have a rural report on the heather Duper Slum Drive

1684
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Speaker 1: with Ann's Kofoods, New Zealand's Finest Beef and Lamb.

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Speaker 3: Listen, we're going to talk about the Warehouse Group in

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01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:34,439
Speaker 3: about fifteen minutes, because the Warehouse Group, as you know,

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Speaker 3: has been doing very very badly, just shares of falling,

1688
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Speaker 3: selling businesses, giving businesses away. They're just they're just a shocker.

1689
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Speaker 3: And yet it turns out that if you have a

1690
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 3: look at the retail c suite, former chief executive Nick

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01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:51,160
Speaker 3: Grayson was paid more than any of his retail counterparts

1692
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 3: in last year's financial year earning a total of two

1693
01:19:53,439 --> 01:19:56,680
Speaker 3: point eight million dollars completely unjustified, so bad he had

1694
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Speaker 3: to go. So we'll have a chat to the shareholders

1695
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 3: Association about that because they not stoked as you could imagine,

1696
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Speaker 3: they'll be with us shortly six twenty five now, struggling

1697
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,720
Speaker 3: dairy company Sinlay has asked the shareholders to vote in

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Speaker 3: favor of a one hundred and thirty million dollar loan

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Speaker 3: from its biggest shareholder, which is Chinese Bright Dairy. Sinlay

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01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 3: says without the loan, it will need to cease trading

1701
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,000
Speaker 3: or it will need to initiate insolvency procedure proceedings in Ruwenda.

1702
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 3: Duncan from the country is filling in for Jamie mackay

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01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 3: with us. Now, hey, roe, hey, he sounds like a

1704
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 3: really serious situation. What alternatives do they have?

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Speaker 24: Yeah, well, not many. So it's been brewing for a

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01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:32,120
Speaker 24: week while. So back in April Sinlay announced there that

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01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 24: they had made a ninety six million dollar first half loss.

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01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 24: Now this was compared to an eight point four million

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01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 24: dollar profit twelve months ago. So that was for the

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01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,479
Speaker 24: six months that ended in January. So that was when

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01:20:44,520 --> 01:20:47,320
Speaker 24: they won that extension because the one hundred and thirty

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01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 24: million dollar debt repayment was due at that time, so

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01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:53,320
Speaker 24: they extended it through until the fifteenth of July. Now,

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01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 24: between now and then, they announced their upcoming forecast for

1715
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 24: the current season and they matched it to Fonterra, so

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01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:05,040
Speaker 24: basically sitting on an eight dollar payout. Remember King's Birthday. Monday,

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01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 24: they made an announcement on the Australian Stock Exchange because

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01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,240
Speaker 24: obviously the New Zealand market was closed for the public holiday,

1719
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:16,440
Speaker 24: and that's when they explained that their financial woes had worsened.

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01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:19,799
Speaker 24: More than half of their suppliers had indicated they wanted

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01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 24: to leave sin Lays. Of course that was when they said, right,

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Speaker 24: I want to stop supplying my milk, they have to

1723
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 24: wait two years, so there's like a two year holding

1724
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 24: period before they can do that. And then, of course

1725
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 24: Bright Dairy is one of its largest shareholders. There's an

1726
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 24: associated company from Bright Dairy have put forward this one

1727
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:42,240
Speaker 24: hundred and thirty million dollar lifeline, so this debt has

1728
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:45,480
Speaker 24: to be paid on the fifteenth of July, so shareholders

1729
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 24: will now vote for it. It is special general meeting

1730
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 24: which has been sharedulled four days before the loads due

1731
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 24: on July eleven. Look, they've had their dairy works up

1732
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:58,280
Speaker 24: for sale, they haven't had any buyers of that. Their

1733
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,400
Speaker 24: share prices sunt seventy one cent in the last twelve month.

1734
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,720
Speaker 24: This is probably as dire as it's going to get

1735
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 24: here that Obviously, they've had changes at the top as well,

1736
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:09,840
Speaker 24: with a new chair coming on board this year. It's

1737
01:22:10,040 --> 01:22:13,439
Speaker 24: just it's a real challenging time for them. And yeah,

1738
01:22:13,479 --> 01:22:15,320
Speaker 24: I know a lot of sin They suppliers are very

1739
01:22:15,320 --> 01:22:16,599
Speaker 24: worried about what labor hit.

1740
01:22:16,720 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah too, right, Rod, thank you for filling us and

1741
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 3: really appreciate a Rowena Duncan, who is from the country.

1742
01:22:21,560 --> 01:22:23,240
Speaker 3: Sounds like it comes down to a two and whether

1743
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 3: a two goes ahead it is a very influential shareholder.

1744
01:22:25,560 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 3: Whether it goes ahead with it is the question here.

1745
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:30,920
Speaker 3: The no one understands Mark Robinson speak. That translates to

1746
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 3: no one understands the rules of rugby anymore, and that's

1747
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: why it's a dying game. Look, I have no idea

1748
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 3: what Mark was trying to say, did you. What I

1749
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: basically got is you can't change the revenue. The revenue

1750
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 3: is the revenue. The only thing that you can change

1751
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 3: is the expenditure, right, and the largest problem that the

1752
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 3: biggest expenditure they've got is fixed salaries. So if they're

1753
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 3: talking to everybody else about how to deal with that,

1754
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:54,920
Speaker 3: then are they asking the others to share the cost

1755
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 3: of paying the players? It seems like maybe was he

1756
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,240
Speaker 3: trying to say that. Let's just say he was trying

1757
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 3: to say that headline's next.

1758
01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro micro or just playing economics. It's all

1759
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and my HR,

1760
01:23:12,920 --> 01:23:15,559
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME used talks at b.

1761
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:32,120
Speaker 3: The thing that I've got You're gonna check in with

1762
01:23:32,200 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 3: Gavin Gray and the UK on how Princess Anna is doing.

1763
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 3: She must be. She's had her first night in hospital,

1764
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 3: hasn't she all second night? I don't even know, So

1765
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,920
Speaker 3: we'll get back to even just like that level of

1766
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 3: detail from him when we talked to him shortly hither.

1767
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:46,920
Speaker 3: What Mark Robinson isn't saying is that provincial rugby needs

1768
01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 3: to go amateur. So no salaried players at PU level.

1769
01:23:50,040 --> 01:23:52,679
Speaker 3: Now that's fine, that's absolutely fine, but it doesn't change

1770
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 3: what you're paying them. Right, You're still paying the salaried

1771
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,120
Speaker 3: players and this is the problem. They pay them so

1772
01:23:57,400 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 3: much money. They just it's under justified for how much

1773
01:24:01,520 --> 01:24:04,040
Speaker 3: rugby the eyeballs they're getting so because they have to

1774
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:06,240
Speaker 3: compare it competing against Japan and Europe, bla blah blast.

1775
01:24:06,240 --> 01:24:07,439
Speaker 3: So what do you do about that? If you take

1776
01:24:07,439 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 3: them out of the pu sorry, out of the provincial level,

1777
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,559
Speaker 3: doesn't really change their income, does It doesn't really solve

1778
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,760
Speaker 3: that situation. If anything, just makes the provincial level a

1779
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 3: bit more distinct. But anyway, hopefully as time goes by

1780
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:19,559
Speaker 3: and they're makes some decisions, you'll be able to reflect

1781
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 3: on that for us and actually tell us what's up. Now,

1782
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 3: get a load of this, Okay. Tasmania's Museum of Old

1783
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:29,040
Speaker 3: and New Art MONA has had like quite an unnecessary

1784
01:24:29,080 --> 01:24:32,120
Speaker 3: brew haha about ladies toilets. What they've done is they've

1785
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:33,920
Speaker 3: gone and they've hung a couple of Picassos in a

1786
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,439
Speaker 3: lady's toilet cubicle. Like literally, you go in, there's the toilet,

1787
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:41,320
Speaker 3: you shut the door, there's the Picasso inside the toilet

1788
01:24:41,400 --> 01:24:43,479
Speaker 3: with you. And they've done this after they've lost a

1789
01:24:43,479 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 3: court battle. So what happened is that they had a

1790
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 3: Picasso exhibition and they hung sum of the art in

1791
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:51,760
Speaker 3: what they called the museum's lady lounge lady's lounge, and

1792
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 3: men were not allowed into the lady's lounge, and this

1793
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: was quite deliberate. They did it because the curator of

1794
01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 3: the exhibition wanted to include as part of the experience

1795
01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:03,040
Speaker 3: of the exhibition excluding men, like they wanted to pamper

1796
01:25:03,080 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 3: the ladies. The ladies walked into the Ladies' Lounge were

1797
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:06,840
Speaker 3: male butlers and all kinds of like fun things. It

1798
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 3: was supposed to like flip the rolls like as in

1799
01:25:09,320 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 3: ladies can experience what it was like to be a

1800
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:14,880
Speaker 3: dude two hundred years ago or whatever. Anyway, a guy

1801
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: wanted to see the art and he was denied entry

1802
01:25:17,920 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 3: into the ladies Lounge last year, and he kicked up

1803
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:21,400
Speaker 3: a fuss and he took it to court and then

1804
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,600
Speaker 3: the Tasmanian Civil and Administrative Tribunal found it discriminatory. And

1805
01:25:24,600 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 3: they only just found it discriminatory a few months ago.

1806
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:29,080
Speaker 3: It was April, and in April they ordered the museum

1807
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:31,639
Speaker 3: to stop refusing entry to men, and they had four

1808
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,519
Speaker 3: weeks to comply, so that takes us into May. Instead

1809
01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 3: of complying, Mona just closed the entire exhibition, and they've

1810
01:25:38,120 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 3: finally come up with a way to get around it,

1811
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: which is now they've hung a couple of the paintings

1812
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:44,920
Speaker 3: in the toilet because this is now undeniably a lady space.

1813
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 3: But but, but previously all the toilets were uni sex,

1814
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:52,960
Speaker 3: so they have now declared some toilets to be lady toilets,

1815
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:56,960
Speaker 3: just to be absolute pratts about it. I mean, really

1816
01:25:57,000 --> 01:26:00,479
Speaker 3: wanting to make a point, aren't they really? Twenty one

1817
01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 3: away from.

1818
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 4: Seven Heather duper c Allen.

1819
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:05,880
Speaker 3: There are concerns that the warehouse is paying its executives

1820
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:08,960
Speaker 3: too much given how poorly the company's been performing. Despite

1821
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,479
Speaker 3: the warehouse's shares falling to a record low of ninety

1822
01:26:11,560 --> 01:26:14,439
Speaker 3: seven cents on Monday, former chief executive Nick Grayson was

1823
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 3: paid a total of just under two point eight million

1824
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:19,720
Speaker 3: dollars in twenty twenty three, which is more than any

1825
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,840
Speaker 3: of his other counterparts in retail. Oliver Amander is the

1826
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 3: CEO of the New Zealand Shareholders Association with US. Now, hey, Oliver,

1827
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:28,320
Speaker 3: how are you very well?

1828
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:28,600
Speaker 13: Thank you?

1829
01:26:28,640 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 3: Is this an historic problem where they signed him on

1830
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,519
Speaker 3: a really awesome deal when the company was doing well,

1831
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 3: and then the company started doing poorly and he was

1832
01:26:35,240 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 3: still unfortunately on an awesome deal.

1833
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,800
Speaker 14: Well, there's probably a bit of that, but actually what

1834
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,720
Speaker 14: it does relate to in that figure you've mentioned of

1835
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,800
Speaker 14: two point out million, some of that big chunk of

1836
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:47,880
Speaker 14: that relates to incentives. And of course incentives are fine

1837
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 14: from a shareholder's perspective when the company is doing well,

1838
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:53,439
Speaker 14: and when the company is not doing quite so well,

1839
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,479
Speaker 14: obviously then at incentive probably doesn't apply. And the reason

1840
01:26:58,479 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 14: he got paid an incentive of one point one million,

1841
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,320
Speaker 14: that's not a short term incentive actually f I twenty three,

1842
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:07,839
Speaker 14: so last financial year he got no short term incentives

1843
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 14: at all for his performance at the warehouse, and he

1844
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 14: did he got his base salary of one point seven million. However,

1845
01:27:16,160 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 14: the incentive that was paid related to long term incentive

1846
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:21,040
Speaker 14: awards that made back in twenty twenty. And guess what,

1847
01:27:21,200 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 14: back in twenty twenty, the warehouse was actually doing pretty well.

1848
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:26,720
Speaker 3: So does this say to you that the incentives that

1849
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:31,000
Speaker 3: maybe the level was set too low as well, level

1850
01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 3: was set too like it was too easy to strike it.

1851
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 14: Yeah, and look possibly, and that's something we got a

1852
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:38,920
Speaker 14: little bit more digging into in terms of the vesting

1853
01:27:38,920 --> 01:27:42,519
Speaker 14: conditions associated with Normally, when you're awarded an incentive and

1854
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:46,439
Speaker 14: shares performance rights, then the vesting condition that goes that

1855
01:27:46,520 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 14: that vesting condition relates to share price performance. Often as

1856
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:52,960
Speaker 14: NAT and certainly I think the warehouse does have a

1857
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 14: condition that relates that incentive that you actually get paid

1858
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 14: in the end related very much to the share price

1859
01:27:58,960 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 14: performance and how it's gone its peers. So yes, look

1860
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,559
Speaker 14: last year that the incentive we received was mostly that

1861
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 14: long term incentive, probably from the previous historic thing.

1862
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 3: Do you think, though, now that the company is doing

1863
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,200
Speaker 3: so poorly, do you think it's going to be different

1864
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,240
Speaker 3: for his replacement. I mean, whoever takes over from him

1865
01:28:16,280 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 3: is probably not going to get the same kind of

1866
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:18,559
Speaker 3: pay right.

1867
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 14: Well, not in the short term. I actually think that

1868
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,920
Speaker 14: if the company, the company needs to be turned around,

1869
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 14: that will take a lot of work. They need a

1870
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 14: very good leader to come in there and actually to

1871
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 14: have some milestones in place that really reset companies change

1872
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,240
Speaker 14: back to being a profitable and high performing sty So

1873
01:28:37,439 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 14: arguably and to still has still a very big organization.

1874
01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 14: It still has eleven thousand staff, got stores all across

1875
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 14: New Zealand. It's it's still it has a huge share

1876
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,639
Speaker 14: of retail wallet, if you will, in a really tough

1877
01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:53,720
Speaker 14: economic environment right now. So the base salary is meant

1878
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 14: to reflect that, and the base salary that is higher

1879
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,680
Speaker 14: than his peers or the CEO's peers. Sorry at excoes

1880
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:03,560
Speaker 14: and MD what cat Mandu brands, but that's probably appropriate.

1881
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:06,720
Speaker 14: What would really interesting there will be the inrastructure that

1882
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 14: they put in place, because actually you do want in

1883
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,559
Speaker 14: center structure and reflects long term gains for shareholders, so

1884
01:29:14,640 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 14: that long term performance off the warehouse, and also they

1885
01:29:18,000 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 14: reflect some of those short term or more short term

1886
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:23,759
Speaker 14: transformational whilst don't really needed to turn the company around.

1887
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 14: So actually no, I don't know if you'll see much

1888
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,160
Speaker 14: change in terms of the remuneration structure or potential outcome.

1889
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,960
Speaker 14: What it does mean is that if the CEO or

1890
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:35,920
Speaker 14: the incoming CEO is successful in transforming the warehouse and

1891
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,679
Speaker 14: making share price go up again, you'll probably be calling

1892
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,280
Speaker 14: me in three years time saying, hey, the CEO has

1893
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:44,080
Speaker 14: got paid an awful this year and that's that's that

1894
01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:49,080
Speaker 14: will probably be right because those shares, if there's if

1895
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 14: that's succeeded, they will see an increase in value in

1896
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:53,599
Speaker 14: the shares and therefore their own remuneration.

1897
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 3: That's okay, yep, absolutely if they deserve it, No one's

1898
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,479
Speaker 3: going to complain about it, hopefully, Oliver, thank you so

1899
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 3: much your time. As always, it's Olive Amanda, Chief executive

1900
01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 3: of the Shareholders Association. Heather. Surely those art loving men

1901
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,200
Speaker 3: could simply identify as a woman, Paul fairpoint. I mean

1902
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 3: that's the one little wrinkle that you couldn't do two

1903
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:12,439
Speaker 3: hundred what didn't really do two hundred years ago, But

1904
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,479
Speaker 3: nowadays you can pull that little stunt. You'll be absolutely

1905
01:30:14,479 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 3: fine now who it is getting tense at Wellington City

1906
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:20,280
Speaker 3: councilor ahead of that big vote on Thursday, they've been

1907
01:30:20,320 --> 01:30:23,040
Speaker 3: sending each other nasty little emails over the sale of

1908
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 3: the airport's shares, which is part of the big vote

1909
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:27,280
Speaker 3: on Thursday. It started. I mean, these people know how

1910
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,559
Speaker 3: to draw something out. Emailing started on Friday. So on

1911
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,680
Speaker 3: Friday in one email, Councilor Ray Chung email's counselor John Apanowitch,

1912
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:38,920
Speaker 3: who's a charted accountant in his day job, and Ray

1913
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:41,760
Speaker 3: says to John, are all being counters as stoppy as you?

1914
01:30:42,840 --> 01:30:45,080
Speaker 3: And then he strikes again. He emails one of the

1915
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:47,559
Speaker 3: local EWI representatives on the council, which honestly I didn't

1916
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 3: even know that they had. But there we go. They've

1917
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:52,439
Speaker 3: got EWEI representatives on the councilors Wellington after all, Holden

1918
01:30:53,240 --> 01:30:56,519
Speaker 3: or Hia and Ray says to Holden, thank goodness you're

1919
01:30:56,520 --> 01:30:59,320
Speaker 3: ineligible to vote. Then Holden, I consider this long term

1920
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 3: planned to be the high of your responsibility for the

1921
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:03,280
Speaker 3: majority of Wellingtonia's I tell you there's one thing you

1922
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 3: can say about Ray. Conviction doesn't mind telling you how

1923
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:10,759
Speaker 3: he thinks. Then the other EWE Rep. Liz Kelly, emails

1924
01:31:10,760 --> 01:31:13,479
Speaker 3: them all. Be careful what you wish for. If a

1925
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 3: commissioner comes in goodbye to democracy, ask those in Totong

1926
01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 3: how that went and continues today. May I'll tell you something, Liz,

1927
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 3: it will be an improvement on you lot. Then yesterday

1928
01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,360
Speaker 3: the mayor starts emailing, right, because it's been going on.

1929
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 3: By the sounds, it's like Friday to Monday. So then

1930
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 3: then Tory gets involved. She's probably been a while over

1931
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:32,320
Speaker 3: the weekend doing god knows what. Oh this right, she

1932
01:31:32,360 --> 01:31:35,519
Speaker 3: had COVID, she had the RONA. So she starts emailing

1933
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:38,040
Speaker 3: asking that counselor's respect staff in each other and blah

1934
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:41,439
Speaker 3: blah blah whatever. And then she says, wild discussions will

1935
01:31:41,479 --> 01:31:44,360
Speaker 3: be happening about how we manage committee and council this week.

1936
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 3: The vote on Thursday is intended as a rubber stamping exercise. Wow,

1937
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Speaker 3: the ramifications of that, first of all, raise upset again.

1938
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Speaker 3: What a croc. He says, any responsible counselor should understand

1939
01:31:56,320 --> 01:31:57,920
Speaker 3: that this statement is further from the truth that we

1940
01:31:57,960 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 3: had hoped that the mayor would understand that, but obviously not.

1941
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Speaker 3: And Ray is right because enter Dean Knight, a university

1942
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Speaker 3: expert in publican government law, who says that rubber stamp comment, Yeah,

1943
01:32:09,400 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 3: that's unfortunate and legally risky because actually it's not a

1944
01:32:12,920 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 3: rubber stamping exercise. A long term plan could only be

1945
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:18,320
Speaker 3: adopted by a full council. And then he says, it's

1946
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:22,400
Speaker 3: a pretty basic principle that decision makers must properly exercise

1947
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 3: their decision making power with an open mind and not

1948
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Speaker 3: surrender the decision to others by merely rubber stamping their recommendations. Therefore,

1949
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Speaker 3: Tory strikes again. And now this possibility for legal action

1950
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Speaker 3: because you called it a rubber stamping exercise. And it's

1951
01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:39,920
Speaker 3: not what it is. It's actually democracy and more important anyhow,

1952
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Speaker 3: I tell you what this is. Just this is like

1953
01:32:42,640 --> 01:32:44,960
Speaker 3: a teaser, isn't it like a trailer for Thursday? I

1954
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:47,920
Speaker 3: cannot wait for Thursday? What an absolute cluster. Just a

1955
01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:51,080
Speaker 3: reminder if Wellington City Council does not pass its own

1956
01:32:51,200 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 3: long term plan, which it has written itself. If it

1957
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,439
Speaker 3: doesn't pass its own long term plan, they may get

1958
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Speaker 3: some commissioners properly need faulting away from seven.

1959
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Speaker 1: Everything from a SME to the big corporates, The Business

1960
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Speaker 1: Hour with hither dupleic Ellen and my HR, the HR

1961
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 1: platform for SME US talk said, be.

1962
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Speaker 3: In the Brady are UK correspondents with US now.

1963
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Speaker 4: Evening, Inda, Hey Hea, They're great to speak to you, Amena.

1964
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Speaker 3: You guys happy to see the back of Julian Losange.

1965
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Speaker 20: I think you can probably hear Champagne corks popping everywhere

1966
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 20: in London, from the Judiciary to the Metropolitan Police, to

1967
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,559
Speaker 20: Downing Street to the Ecuadorian embassy. It's been a long

1968
01:33:29,600 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 20: time coming. He's a free man and he is out

1969
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,080
Speaker 20: of the UK already. I'm hearing he's left on a

1970
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:39,280
Speaker 20: flight from Stansted Airport, so he is gone, so sixty

1971
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 20: two months he was behind bars, and basically what the

1972
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,600
Speaker 20: Americans are going to do when he lands in Saipan,

1973
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Speaker 20: which is kind of the nearest American controlled territory to Australia.

1974
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Speaker 20: That's why they've gone over that way to the Pacific,

1975
01:33:52,800 --> 01:33:55,840
Speaker 20: he'll be sentenced to precisely sixty two months in prison,

1976
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,920
Speaker 20: which he has already served, and then he can head

1977
01:33:57,920 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 20: on to Australia. But behind him in the UK he

1978
01:34:01,080 --> 01:34:04,679
Speaker 20: leaves quite quite a mountain of cost. Really, I think,

1979
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 20: looking at it from a British taxpayer's point of view,

1980
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:11,120
Speaker 20: the policing operation outside that Ecuadorian embassy every day spanned

1981
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 20: two touching forty million enz dollars. So it has been

1982
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 20: a costly stay in the UK for the British taxpayer.

1983
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Speaker 20: I'm not sure to him, and good luck to him,

1984
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Speaker 20: but I'm not sure many people here will weep his departure.

1985
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Speaker 3: No too right, how's Princess Enne doing good?

1986
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Speaker 20: We're told she's in good spirits. So an accident with

1987
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:32,280
Speaker 20: a horse. We don't know whether the horse just kind

1988
01:34:32,280 --> 01:34:34,200
Speaker 20: of booked its head while she was patting it, or

1989
01:34:34,280 --> 01:34:37,080
Speaker 20: whether a horse is run into her. Very little more

1990
01:34:37,120 --> 01:34:40,280
Speaker 20: detail on us, but she was walking and she's been

1991
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,559
Speaker 20: in some sort of collision with a horse. Now she

1992
01:34:42,600 --> 01:34:46,479
Speaker 20: absolutely loves horses. We're told she'd concussion and very light

1993
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:50,120
Speaker 20: injuries and then was rushed off to the hospital in Bristol,

1994
01:34:50,240 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 20: which where she still is now. A couple of impacts

1995
01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,439
Speaker 20: on the royal diary. She was meant to be heading

1996
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 20: to Canada next week for a state visit that's obviously

1997
01:34:58,280 --> 01:35:00,599
Speaker 20: going to either be canceled or her tail. And then

1998
01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:02,160
Speaker 20: there was meant to be a dinner this week a

1999
01:35:02,240 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 20: state banquet with the Emperor of Japan who is visiting.

2000
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:09,080
Speaker 20: She won't be attending that. And Charles is sending her

2001
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,519
Speaker 20: all his fondness and love. That was what he put

2002
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:12,120
Speaker 20: in the statement.

2003
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 3: And so what is she has? She spent now one

2004
01:35:14,560 --> 01:35:15,759
Speaker 3: or two nights in hospital.

2005
01:35:16,920 --> 01:35:19,439
Speaker 20: One last night would have been her second night, so

2006
01:35:19,439 --> 01:35:21,400
Speaker 20: that's two full nights in hospital. I think she'd be

2007
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 20: out Friday. My reading of it is she'll be out

2008
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:27,080
Speaker 20: by Friday. Look, I've met her a few times over

2009
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,920
Speaker 20: the years. She is, trust me, a no nonsense woman.

2010
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,599
Speaker 20: She gets the job done, and I think she's been

2011
01:35:33,640 --> 01:35:36,559
Speaker 20: the quiet hero of the windsor Households and the House

2012
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:40,080
Speaker 20: of Windsor the last couple of years, because obviously Charles

2013
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,479
Speaker 20: has been ill, case is ill, the whole Andrews situation

2014
01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 20: where he can't be seen in public. And Anne has

2015
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:49,400
Speaker 20: kept going, kept working. And if you look every year

2016
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 20: who does the most work, it's always Anne. The most attendance,

2017
01:35:53,120 --> 01:35:56,479
Speaker 20: is the most public appearances, the most charitable work year

2018
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 20: on year for fifty odd years, it's always been Anne.

2019
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:03,000
Speaker 3: So the Scots apparently were the best ones the base

2020
01:36:03,080 --> 01:36:04,960
Speaker 3: behave will they yeah?

2021
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:08,479
Speaker 20: At the Euro So Germany still celebrating this wonderful festival

2022
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,240
Speaker 20: of soccer that they have Euro twenty twenty four. The

2023
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 20: Scots are out. So the team on the field couldn't click,

2024
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,680
Speaker 20: they weren't good enough, but they qualified and that's a

2025
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,080
Speaker 20: great achievement. And I'm very envious of them as an

2026
01:36:20,080 --> 01:36:23,839
Speaker 20: Ireland fan because we didn't manage that. But the praise

2027
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,519
Speaker 20: is coming from on high from the Germans for the

2028
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:30,800
Speaker 20: Scottish fans and their behavior over the last couple of weeks.

2029
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 20: Would you believe it, two hundred thousand Scots went to

2030
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 20: Germany on holidays for a fortnight. That's four percent of

2031
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:43,120
Speaker 20: the entire Scottish population upsticks and got to Germany. And

2032
01:36:43,160 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 20: I was with my daughter at Heather Airport a few

2033
01:36:45,640 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 20: weeks ago we were flying to Ireland and the airport

2034
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:52,599
Speaker 20: was just a wash with Tartan kilt's you name at

2035
01:36:52,680 --> 01:36:58,040
Speaker 20: bagpipes all heading off to Germany. Two hundred thousand Scottish

2036
01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 20: men and women went to Germany and the head of

2037
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:03,800
Speaker 20: the German police praising them for their color, their charisma

2038
01:37:04,120 --> 01:37:06,760
Speaker 20: and the fun they brought to the festival. So the

2039
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 20: tournament continues, but they will miss the Scots because there's

2040
01:37:09,800 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 20: nothing like a man in the skirt.

2041
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:11,439
Speaker 8: Oh.

2042
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,120
Speaker 3: I absolutely love it. I'd love it and I'm not

2043
01:37:14,120 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 3: gonna lie. Thank you so much. Into Brady, UK correspondent

2044
01:37:16,800 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 3: seven Away from seven.

2045
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:22,120
Speaker 1: Whether it's macro, micro or just plain economics, it's all

2046
01:37:22,160 --> 01:37:25,800
Speaker 1: on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and my HR,

2047
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: the HR platform for SME us TALKSB crunching the numbers

2048
01:37:31,320 --> 01:37:32,520
Speaker 1: and getting the results.

2049
01:37:32,680 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 4: It's Heather Duplicy Allen with the Business.

2050
01:37:35,240 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 1: Hour thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME

2051
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:40,120
Speaker 1: on News talks ITB.

2052
01:37:40,760 --> 01:37:43,040
Speaker 3: Yeahther if I was Julian Assange, I wouldn't eat or

2053
01:37:43,120 --> 01:37:45,519
Speaker 3: drink anything while I was in Saipan, because the CIA

2054
01:37:45,680 --> 01:37:49,720
Speaker 3: might be catering Steve, you think much like I do. Hey, listen,

2055
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to tell you something about ear tags, right,

2056
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 3: which is a little bit grim.

2057
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:54,040
Speaker 13: Right.

2058
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,880
Speaker 3: These are these little innocuous devices, like any normal person

2059
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:58,960
Speaker 3: like ourselves might chuck them in the bag so that

2060
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,600
Speaker 3: if you go traveling you can just see where the

2061
01:38:00,640 --> 01:38:02,280
Speaker 3: bag is, you know, and if it gets lost, you

2062
01:38:02,320 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 3: know where the bag is. Blah blah, like we'd use

2063
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 3: it for something. Decent. Stalkers use them, like really really

2064
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 3: use them. Over in Assie, the New South Wales Crime

2065
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 3: Commission analyzed that kind of realized something was up, so

2066
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:18,400
Speaker 3: they analyzed five six hundred and sixty three purchases of

2067
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 3: tracking devices like air air tags and GPS trackers and

2068
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:26,320
Speaker 3: stuff like that. They found one in four buyers had

2069
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:30,320
Speaker 3: a history of domestic violence, fifteen percent buyers had a

2070
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 3: history in serious organized crime, and one hundred and twenty

2071
01:38:34,080 --> 01:38:37,040
Speaker 3: six buyers was subject to apprehended violence orders at the

2072
01:38:37,080 --> 01:38:39,360
Speaker 3: time of purchase, which suggests there are a lot of

2073
01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:42,400
Speaker 3: bad people buying the air tag. So anyway, if I

2074
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 3: see you buying an air tag, I'm gonna think you're

2075
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 3: a bad person, so just be careful and.

2076
01:38:47,479 --> 01:38:49,880
Speaker 25: Something in the Orange by Zach Bryan to play us

2077
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:52,160
Speaker 25: out tonight. Zach Bryan, the country singer. He's got an

2078
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 25: album coming out on July fourth. This is quite a

2079
01:38:54,160 --> 01:38:55,960
Speaker 25: fun idea in how to promote it. So the album's

2080
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:58,000
Speaker 25: not out till July fourth, but as of a couple

2081
01:38:58,000 --> 01:39:01,080
Speaker 25: of days ago, twenty three different across the US and

2082
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:04,280
Speaker 25: Canada have all been given some material from the album

2083
01:39:04,320 --> 01:39:06,120
Speaker 25: each and they can play it in their bar, but

2084
01:39:06,240 --> 01:39:08,280
Speaker 25: only in their bars. So people who want like a

2085
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 25: sneak peek of some of the songs if they can

2086
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:11,519
Speaker 25: physically get to these bars.

2087
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:12,760
Speaker 3: And he said where the bars are?

2088
01:39:12,880 --> 01:39:15,160
Speaker 25: Yeah, he said exactly which bars? And he said he's

2089
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:16,559
Speaker 25: even going to pop into a couple of them. He's

2090
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 25: not going to play a show, apparently that's too logistically difficult,

2091
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:20,479
Speaker 25: but he's just going to pop in for like listening

2092
01:39:20,479 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 25: parties and stuff with some people.

2093
01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:22,439
Speaker 19: Cool.

2094
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 25: Yeah, Well, the album is called the Great American Bar Scene,

2095
01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:26,920
Speaker 25: so I suppose it's on form as well. But unfortunately

2096
01:39:26,920 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 25: for us, unless you want to fly over to the

2097
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:30,240
Speaker 25: US and lose your bag and they worry a but

2098
01:39:30,320 --> 01:39:31,439
Speaker 25: you don't have an air tag in it because you

2099
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:32,800
Speaker 25: don't want to be a stalker. Then I will just

2100
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:33,840
Speaker 25: have to wait till July fourth.

2101
01:39:33,960 --> 01:39:37,200
Speaker 3: No more air tags for anybody enjoyers. We'll see you tomorrow.

2102
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:38,200
Speaker 3: You still zed beat?

2103
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:43,480
Speaker 8: If you leave today, I'll just stare out the way

2104
01:39:43,800 --> 01:39:48,840
Speaker 8: your orange touches all things around, grass trees, and do

2105
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:56,599
Speaker 8: how hard you please turn hair light around? Please turne

2106
01:39:56,600 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 8: not hair light around.

2107
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