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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at BE.

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Speaker 2: That travel correspondent is Mike Yardley. He's here this morning,

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Speaker 2: Kilder Gilder, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Look, I was intrigued by comment you made to Nicky

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Speaker 3: Wicks this morning about how Ready flavors seem to be

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Speaker 3: trending with some sweet treats, and it reminded me to

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Speaker 3: ask you, have you tried a hot Cross bun flavored pie?

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Speaker 4: Look?

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Speaker 2: I think it's all well and good for Brady flavors

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Speaker 2: to trend in some sweet treats. For some things, I

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Speaker 2: think there are limbs to that trend, and I would

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Speaker 2: very much put a hot Cross bun flavored pie beyond

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Speaker 2: those limits. No, I haven't fought one. Where can you

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Speaker 2: get one minute?

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Speaker 3: I am not a frequent flyer to meckers like yourself,

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Speaker 3: but I did actually fall off the wagon and you

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Speaker 3: can fly. You can find them at McDonald's Cross Bun

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Speaker 3: Flavored Pies, seriously, and they are actually really good. The

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Speaker 3: weird thing is chick and this is why a sweet pie.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, okay, okay. For a moment that I thought

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Speaker 2: we were talking about like a mince and cheese, hot

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Speaker 2: cross bun flav No no okay, yeah, no, god, no,

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Speaker 2: got it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So you know, you know how they sell, like

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Speaker 3: the apple pies and little Yeah. Yeah, so it's sort

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Speaker 3: of like one of them, I retreat favor.

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Speaker 2: It's not beyond the I mean that that at least

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Speaker 2: is kind of in a consistent you know that at

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Speaker 2: least you're sticking sweet with sweet.

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Speaker 4: You know that is true. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The weird thing is it actually tastes more like Christmas

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Speaker 3: fruit cake because there's so much like spiced fruit.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, they're really good.

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Speaker 2: So is it like the kind of cinnamony and ye? Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: is it is?

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Speaker 4: It?

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Speaker 2: Is there like a liquid filling or is it all

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Speaker 2: just the dry fruit?

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Speaker 4: Yes, there's a bit of custard in there as well.

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Speaker 2: Look I'm coming quite quickly actually, yeah, yeah, you brought

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Speaker 2: me around very good.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we're talking Munich this morning. Headline experiences in Munich

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Speaker 2: and this time the year would mean that what spring

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Speaker 2: is in full bloom.

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Speaker 3: Right certainly is jack Yeah, winter hibernation is over the

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Speaker 3: beer halls. Man, They are cranking in Munich, and even

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Speaker 3: the volume of crowds forming in April at Marie and

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Speaker 3: plants the old town square just huge, but one little mercy.

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Speaker 3: It's still a bit early for the birthday suits brigade.

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Speaker 3: I didn't realize this until a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 3: but apparently Munchners love taking their clothes off. So when

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Speaker 3: they're not wearing their later hosen, yeah, sort of. Come

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Speaker 3: May June, when the mercury rises, the banks of the

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Speaker 3: Isa River just morphs into this vast and naked sunbathe

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Speaker 3: in colony.

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Speaker 4: So you have been warned if you're heading to Munich summer.

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Speaker 2: I feel, I mean, is it wrong for me to

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Speaker 2: say that the German people generally are sort of like

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Speaker 2: a kind of you know, are keen enthusiasts and members

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Speaker 2: of the nudist community.

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Speaker 3: I don't know the nature. Yes, I think the barbarians

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Speaker 3: lead the way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh very good. I'm honestly weirdly enough, the older

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Speaker 2: I get, the more attractive some of that scenes, not

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Speaker 2: not necessarily the community, but the prospect of sunning oneself.

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Speaker 4: Liberation anyway, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So what is so good about the Platzel neighborhood

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Speaker 2: in Munich.

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Speaker 3: Yes, if you wander a really nice, authentic slice of

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Speaker 3: local life, in the old town. I reckon check out

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Speaker 3: the Platzel Hood because it's just got all these lovely

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Speaker 3: cozy cafes. There's a timeless, homely ambience to the Platzel

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Speaker 3: district in the old town. It's also where you will

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Speaker 3: find the Horfbray House, which is that temple like beacon

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Speaker 3: to Munich's be a tradition. This building was opened in

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Speaker 3: fifteen eighty nine, so that's a lot of Laggers since

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Speaker 3: fifteen eighty nine. Yeah, really good spot to feast on

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Speaker 3: port knuckle and fantastic lager. The one thing, Jack, the

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Speaker 3: more time I spent in Munich, the more noticeable it

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Speaker 3: is that Munschners tend to regard themselves as barbarians first

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Speaker 3: and German second. So like, yeah, it is a They

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Speaker 3: are the richest state in Federal Germany Bavaria and they

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Speaker 3: only became part of Germany a century ago. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's still got that quite zealous independent state of mind.

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Speaker 2: That's curious, Okay, of course there is some dark history

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Speaker 2: in that part of the wood is the birthplace of

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Speaker 2: the Nazi Party. Does does that kind of historical imprint

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Speaker 2: Hitler's historical imprint still linger in Munich.

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Speaker 3: I struggled with this check because yes it does, and

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Speaker 3: I actually think the city's soul is still somewhat restless

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Speaker 3: about itgacy and the atrocities. The reason I say that

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Speaker 3: is there are still a lot of Third Rich landmarks

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Speaker 4: So you can still see the Fura building, which were

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Speaker 4: Hitler's offices.

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Speaker 3: That, by the way, is where he signed that infamous

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Speaker 3: Munich agreement with Nebel Chamberlain. And I was talking to

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Speaker 3: some locals and they showed me the Eternal Flame to

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Speaker 3: the Victims of Nazi persecution. Amazingly, that was only recently

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Speaker 3: established because there had been years, in fact decades of

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Speaker 3: local resistance to that memorial being installed. So yeah, I mean, well,

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Speaker 3: what nearly eighty years since the end of the war

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Speaker 3: and those ghosts are still there.

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Speaker 2: Ye. One of the most sobering experience must be a

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Speaker 2: visit to one of the concentration camps and dacars close right.

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Speaker 3: Oh man, It's incredibly close. It's only a twenty minute

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Speaker 3: train ride away from central Munich and it is a

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Speaker 3: very somber inflection point to a visit to Barvaria. This

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Speaker 3: was the first concentration camp the Nazis established in fact,

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Speaker 3: at the time of the Berlin Games, the SS we're

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Speaker 3: running their training school of violence heed to Dark Hour.

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Speaker 3: So the camp today it's been frozen in time, as

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Speaker 3: was the wish of Dark Hour's survivors. So there were

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Speaker 3: I think two hundred thousand people who were forcibly brought there.

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Speaker 3: And you will see the barracks, the crematorium ovens with

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Speaker 3: tens of thousands were laid to waste the gas chamber.

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Speaker 3: It is powerful, it is shocking. But yeah, I just

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Speaker 3: think since it is eighty years this year since the

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Speaker 3: end of the war, these sorts of places still matter

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Speaker 3: to us today.

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Speaker 2: From the horrific then to the fairy tale. What about

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Speaker 2: Bavaria's castles.

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Speaker 3: Oh, my goodness, you've got to see Nuisch von Stein Castle.

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Speaker 3: It is the year round star feature of Barbaria, and

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Speaker 3: it's like walking into a brother's grim story bok, because

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Speaker 3: it's sort of like peaks through the mountaintops like a

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Speaker 3: misty mirage. And it was the brainchild of the Barbarian

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Speaker 3: monarch Ludwig the Second. He was just obsessed by medieval

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Speaker 3: knights in Wagner's theatrical operas, so that all was very

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Speaker 3: much the inspiration for the interior content, You've got these

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Speaker 3: enormous tapestries the size of circus tents floored to selling

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Speaker 3: mosaics and frescoes, much of it showcasing scenes from Wagner's operas.

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Speaker 3: And then, of course along came Walt, doesn't he He

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Speaker 3: took a look at noise Wonstein Castle and was quite

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Speaker 3: inspired for the Sleeping Beauty Castle in Anaheim.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: So was he just eccentric or sort of completely mad?

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Speaker 2: You reckon?

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Speaker 4: I reckon?

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Speaker 3: Most people think he was certifiable, and there were just

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Speaker 3: so many There were so many amazing stories about how

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Speaker 3: Ludvig the second lived. He would sleep during the day

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Speaker 3: and at night he would get up, apparently and order

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Speaker 3: his servants to take him on a sleigh ride at

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Speaker 3: two in the morning through the country side. He ate alone,

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Speaker 3: but he always had a table set for four because

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Speaker 3: he had three imaginary friends.

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Speaker 4: And I love this one, Jack.

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Speaker 3: He would always have a horse dine with him at

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Speaker 3: the banquet table.

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Speaker 2: Of course, why wouldn't you so?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Why not? Exactly? So?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean he was quite unusual, and interestingly, the cabinet

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Speaker 3: ministers of Bavaria had him declared medically insane, just before

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Speaker 3: his mysterious death in the lake back in the eighteen sixties.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, interesting story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a fascinating part of the world. Just so

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Speaker 2: many kind of different elements to the to the culture

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Speaker 2: and history and Munich and yeah I've never been. I

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Speaker 2: love to go and you've painted a rich picture this morning,

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Speaker 2: so thank you. We'll have all the Mike's tips for

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Speaker 2: tripping through Munich up on the News Talks. He'd be

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Speaker 2: website you know where to go for more.

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