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Speaker 1: Setting the news agenda and digging into the issues. The

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Speaker 1: Mic Hosking Breakfast with our Veda, Retirement, Communities, Life Your Way,

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Speaker 1: news togs welcome today.

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Speaker 2: Jobless numbers are up? Is the economy actually coming light

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Speaker 2: with the job numbers? Just the last cab off the

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Speaker 2: rank Small airlines seem to have found a gap in

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Speaker 2: regional New Zealand. The PM on foreign investment into your

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Speaker 2: and fast track backtracks will bust. And if one reporter

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Speaker 2: whose life's been turned upside down of course by the

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Speaker 2: success of Drive to Survive, he's with us after eight

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Speaker 2: Catherine Field and France and Rodd does the mighty UK

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Speaker 2: for us. Pasky, Welcome to Tuesday seven past six. Now

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Speaker 2: we'll get to the main part of the TV one

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Speaker 2: pole shortly, but by way of a teaser they let

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Speaker 2: the world have a couple of pre bullet and numbers,

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Speaker 2: and sadly in those numbers is everything that's wrong with polling?

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Speaker 2: Can I say before I forget that we should be

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Speaker 2: grateful to TV and Z for still polling it all.

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Speaker 2: Polling is expensive and given the state of the TV

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Speaker 2: channel at the moment, the amount of money they're looking

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Speaker 2: to save the number of people they are about to

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Speaker 2: lay off. Not to mention the number of people they've

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Speaker 2: already laid off, might lead you to believe that polling

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Speaker 2: money might have been shelld especially outside election year. But

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Speaker 2: good on them for continuing to give us some sort

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Speaker 2: of insight or is it? Forty percent think we are

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Speaker 2: worse off than we were before election date? That alone,

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Speaker 2: we'll give you a headline, And as it turned out,

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Speaker 2: it did. But what does it actually mean? Twenty six

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Speaker 2: percent say it's no different, so Tban said, then added

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Speaker 2: those two numbers together to give us their headline. Two

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Speaker 2: thirds of us think things are no better than they were,

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Speaker 2: the inference being, of course, we elected the wrong people

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Speaker 2: to run the country. Thirty percent think things are better.

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Speaker 2: But how to read a poll? And what that pole

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Speaker 2: suggests are complex, if not completely pointless things. Because one,

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Speaker 2: I'm in the forty percent the group that think things

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Speaker 2: are worse? Why because they are post the election, We've

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Speaker 2: had the unveiling of the disaster the previous government left

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Speaker 2: us economically, the fiscal cliffs, as the new government called them,

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Speaker 2: economic bombs. They are real, they've been revealed. Therefore, we

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Speaker 2: are indisputably worse off. It's a statement of economic fact.

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Speaker 2: It's not a reflection on this government. It's a reflection

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Speaker 2: of nuance. But I'm also in the thirty percent who

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Speaker 2: think things are better off. Why because you can see

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Speaker 2: the green shoots, you can see the cash right cuts,

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Speaker 2: you can see the stimulation of the housing market. You

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Speaker 2: can see the bottom or the end of the slump

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Speaker 2: or possibly the end of the recessions. Therefore there is light,

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Speaker 2: Therefore there is hope. Therefore I am in the thirty percent.

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Speaker 2: So forty or thirty, which is it? And if it's both,

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Speaker 2: what's that tell us? Well? One, the key is often

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Speaker 2: in the question and the quality of it. And two

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Speaker 2: it's the reading and interpretation, which means three you take

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Speaker 2: it all with a grain of salt.

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Speaker 1: News of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Bombs and drones continue to fly in the Middle East

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Speaker 2: for Israeli soldiers dead, sixty one others injured.

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Speaker 3: Like all events, we will study this event, but I

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Speaker 3: don't think there is a country that has a better

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Speaker 3: and we're not perfect.

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Speaker 2: Those inside the hospitals are worried.

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Speaker 4: As a human being and as a mother. It was

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Speaker 4: difficult for me to hear the news, like all the

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Speaker 4: It's difficult for us, especially for me because I have

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Speaker 4: children of military service age.

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Speaker 2: And Gaza refugee camp has been burnt to nothing.

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Speaker 5: My tent it's gone, winter is coming.

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Speaker 6: What am I supposed to do?

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Speaker 4: There's nothing left in there, no mattresses, no food, no blankets,

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Speaker 6: We have nothing to wear. I only have what I'm wearing.

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Speaker 2: Nowto tied developments in the arrist of Vim Miller, who

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Speaker 2: some thought yesterday might be a Trump assassin, he claims

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Speaker 7: The vehicle was unregistered and the license plate was one

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Speaker 7: that is homemade and indicative of a group of individuals

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Speaker 2: Well, doesn't making an assassin, does it? Trump himself, in

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Speaker 2: an interview, is expressing concern about civil un race.

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Speaker 8: I don't think they're the problem in terms of election.

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Speaker 8: I think the bigger problem are the people from with

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Speaker 8: then we have some very bad people. We have some

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Speaker 8: sick people, radical left lunatics. It should be very easily

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Speaker 8: handled by if necessary, by National Guard or if really necessary,

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Speaker 2: And then to Britain, where the beleagued PM is busy

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Speaker 2: spreaking his fiscal credentials to an investment Chinwag.

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Speaker 1: I'm determined to do everything in my power to galvanize group.

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Speaker 9: Determined for this country to be the highest.

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Speaker 10: Growing economy in the G seven. Finally, that is our

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Speaker 10: most important national mission.

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Speaker 2: Finally, from the brainch Trust file. Drug dealer in Portland,

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Speaker 2: he was stopped by the FEDS in a stolen car.

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Speaker 2: In the search they found some scales, some cash, a

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Speaker 2: loaded handgun and bag. On the outside of the bag

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Speaker 2: was writing saying definitely not a bag full of drugs.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately it was a bag full of drugs, ten grams

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Speaker 2: of meth and Fenton also he guess where he is

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Speaker 2: right now, has used the world the moron's in ninety China.

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Speaker 2: Can I give you any good news? I'm not really sure. Actually,

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Speaker 2: the CPI rose zero point four for the U year

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Speaker 2: Price Index. That's the worry. The PPI fell two point

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Speaker 2: percent decline in the previous month below and anticipated two

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Speaker 2: point five percent decline. So is the stimulus working long term?

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Speaker 2: Twelve past six.

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Speaker 2: Democracy Watch. They've been voting over the week in Lithuania.

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Speaker 2: Looks like a change of governments. On the cards. The

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Speaker 2: Social Democrats who were in the opposition, seem to have won.

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Speaker 2: They've won the most votes. They're at twenty percent, so

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Speaker 2: they're trying to form a coalition as we speak. Homeland

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Speaker 2: Union who have been running the place, they had eighteen

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Speaker 2: anti establishment Numanus Dawn at fifteen percent. So the sd

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Speaker 2: are talking about tackling rising inequality, hiking taxes on wealthy Lithuanians.

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Speaker 2: National security is a major issue, so some of that

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Speaker 2: in Lithuania. Dem Past jare My Love hendre Keller, Good morning,

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Speaker 2: very good morning, Mike's have a look at the old

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Speaker 2: economy and we got retailed yesterday as well as the services.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, so let's talk about the service to sector.

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Speaker 9: Show it because it's a very big part of the

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Speaker 9: New Zealand economy. And we got our monthly barometer on

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Speaker 9: the health of that sector yesterday. Now, Mike, I think

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Speaker 9: yesterday morning you covered off the manufacturing sector than the

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Speaker 9: PMI the performance of services the Partner survey to that. Now,

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Speaker 9: and services, I said, big part of the economy. Now, Mike,

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Speaker 9: the number here you've been talking about this this morning,

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Speaker 9: the number here or the number we got yesterday, is

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Speaker 9: illustrative of a key theme, a key macroeconomic theme at

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Speaker 10: Listeners this morning.

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Speaker 9: The here and now is very different from where perceptions

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Speaker 9: are as to where we will be. So recent business

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Speaker 9: confidence almost much improved, shot the lights out, but that's

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Speaker 10: It's not the here and now. If we look at

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Speaker 9: Now and the services index headline forty five point seven.

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Speaker 10: It's the same as it was in August. It hasn't moved.

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Speaker 9: It's still under fifty, which signifies contraction in the sector.

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Speaker 9: The long term average is fifty three point one, so

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Speaker 9: we're tracking well below that. We've now had seven consecutive

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Speaker 9: but it's a heck of a lot better than the PMI,

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Speaker 9: in contraction now for nineteen consecutive months. Now, look at

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Speaker 9: So look, it's just getting less bad, but it is.

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Speaker 10: Moving in the right direction.

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Speaker 9: at actually some real numbers. Quarterly spending retail industries decreased

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Speaker 9: one hundred and thirty five million dollars, and then core

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Speaker 9: at those carely numbers, hospitality stands out as pretty weak

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Speaker 9: and it continues to underline the tough conditions in that sector.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 2: What are the numbers?

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Speaker 10: Well, actually, the numbers look pretty good.

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Speaker 9: The Dow Jones is up one hundred and eighty nine points.

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Speaker 9: It's zero point four four percent forty three fifty two.

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Speaker 2: It be fascinating things to me or my eye about

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Speaker 1: Five trending now with wres Warehouse The Real House of Fragrances.

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Speaker 2: James Blunt marking the twentieth anniversary can you believe it?

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Speaker 2: Of Back to Bedlam? It is the eighteenth best selling

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Speaker 12: Hey thereon hermus great, what's the name James Blunt?

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Speaker 10: People have no imagination.

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Speaker 14: The people who spoke.

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Speaker 2: Very clever videos put a time. He's done a couple

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Speaker 5: That's time.

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Speaker 10: We had him on the program and we were talking.

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Speaker 2: About as pub. He'd bought a pub. But I don't

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Speaker 2: there use for you in a couple of moments. Then

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Speaker 2: we've got to look into this in a Tamariki situation,

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Speaker 2: But more detail for you shortly.

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Speaker 1: You're trusted home for news, for entertainment, opinion and Mike

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Speaker 2: Why Nations Fail The Origins of Power, prosperity and Poverty.

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Speaker 2: Institute for the Studying Resolution of Global Conflicts, where they

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Speaker 2: specialism and the economics of Sub Saharan Africa and Latin America.

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Speaker 2: So they know their dollars and cents and they are winners.

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Speaker 2: Twenty three to seven budgets. First budget. Barnier's budget in

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Speaker 2: meantime back here, the orders to General is having a

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Speaker 2: Services they funded been cut or scale back, as I'm

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Speaker 2: sure you're well aware, as a result of the government

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Speaker 10: Very good morning, Good morning mate.

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Speaker 2: Have we got a couple of things here. One the

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Speaker 6: The interconnected. I think the reason that the Office of

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Speaker 6: the lack of transparency, the lack of clear process about

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Speaker 6: and I think all of this just shows quite a

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Speaker 6: are still needed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, indeed, but that's a government decision. Though the Government

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Speaker 6: I mean there's a very good conversation to be had

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Speaker 6: that is our sector. We are a government funded, not

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Speaker 6: It's the very resilient sector. I think the reason that

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Speaker 2: I followed this very closely because I'm interested. I can't.

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Speaker 2: We had some people there's a lot of emotion in

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the common issue we've got a lot

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Speaker 6: this is why the Office of the Autogenal, which is

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Speaker 6: an independent organization, independent body of Parliament, the reason it

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Speaker 6: I think one of the reasons that the LAG has

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Speaker 2: Blinda, you have a good day, Please to appreciate it

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Speaker 2: very much. Belinda Heimiona, who is with the Social Services

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Speaker 2: Providers eighteen away from seven task queaking of issues the

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Speaker 2: absolute shambles Mike toy is made of Wellington is a

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Speaker 2: great example. I don't think we blame Tori. I mean

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Speaker 2: we blame Tory because she's the top of the totem pole,

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Speaker 2: but we blame the entire council. It's tower on the

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Speaker 2: two point a bunch of dysfunctional idiots. Anyway, the shambles

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Speaker 2: that toy is made of Wellington is a great example

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Speaker 2: of how dire it would have been had Labor Mari

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Speaker 2: Green coalition become the government last year. If that had happened,

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Speaker 2: I think the net migration figures would have blown out,

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Speaker 2: blown out. They've already blown out, haven't you seen the

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Speaker 2: numbers that came out last week? They've blown out then

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Speaker 2: blown out again. We are setting record after record after

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Speaker 2: record of young New Zealanders who are bailing on this

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Speaker 2: country because of things like Wellington. And I note with

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Speaker 2: interest that Nikola Willis, who's increasingly frustrated at the exercise,

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Speaker 2: is looking at It's not her decision, obviously, but the

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Speaker 2: government to looking at the possibility of a little bit

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Speaker 2: of intervention. So we'll talk to Prime Minister Chris Luxon

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Speaker 2: about that in an hour's time. Seventeen to two.

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Speaker 2: Mike Wellington's the san Fran of New Zealand. Mike she said,

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Speaker 2: services they deserve, No, it's services they need. I deserve

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Speaker 2: a Ferrari for all the charity work I do, but

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Speaker 2: I need a four. That's quite well put. Mike Golris

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Speaker 2: has popped a head up again. I'll come back to

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Speaker 2: that because I wondered how long it would take people

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Speaker 2: to exercise themselves about that.

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Speaker 17: Peace of Mind for New Zealand Business Spark Captain Field.

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Speaker 2: Very good morning to you, good and running mate. Paris

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Speaker 2: Motor Show. I always follow the Paris Motor Show with

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Speaker 2: a great deal of interest. Is it for doing this

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Speaker 2: year with a lot of byds and Chinese half price evs?

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Speaker 12: It is a very tense Paris Motor Show this year,

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Speaker 12: of course Europe's biggest motor show. The reason that it

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Speaker 12: really is tense is because you've got those two signs

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Speaker 12: coming together.

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Speaker 13: Mine.

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Speaker 12: You've got the Chinese who are to get more of

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Speaker 12: their vehicles on sale in Europe if they've got something

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Speaker 12: like five Chinese brands out there at the Paris Motor Show,

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Speaker 12: just showing off what they've got. On the other side,

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Speaker 12: you've got the Europeans, the French, the Germans. Their industry

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Speaker 12: is absolutely struggling, and of course the EU has just

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Speaker 12: come up with a forty five percent tariff on Chinese

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Speaker 12: electric cars. So Chinese aren't happy about this. Not to

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Speaker 12: not to put it too mildly, these tariffs, you know,

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Speaker 12: they say. The Europeans are saying, look, you know, we

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Speaker 12: just have to compete. The Chinese are subsidizing their industry.

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Speaker 12: We're not, so we're going to put a tariff on

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Speaker 12: that covers that amount of money that the Chinese government

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Speaker 12: is putting in, so as we can compete, you're on

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Speaker 12: an even basis. Well, what they're saying now is that

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Speaker 12: what will happen is these tarrafs will lead Chinese companies

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Speaker 12: to come and set up their plants in Europe, add

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Speaker 12: to the over capacity, and local manufacturers could also be

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Speaker 12: forced out out of business completely. So there's also comes Mike,

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Speaker 12: don't forget just the time when the Chinese have retaliated,

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Speaker 12: They've put that new tariff on imports of cognac into China.

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Speaker 12: So it's a time when everyone's kind of jostling around.

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Speaker 12: It's not making for a pleasant motor show. And there's

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Speaker 12: more to come, Mike here, because cars aren't selling well

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Speaker 12: in Europe at the moment, new car sales still well

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Speaker 12: below that pre COVID level. And as well, you know,

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Speaker 12: they're looking at China because China has been flooding the

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Speaker 12: market here with solar panels, heat pumps, wooden turbines, and

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Speaker 12: essentially the consumers having a bit of a hard time

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Speaker 12: and thinking that the government really should have been setting

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Speaker 12: up its own sort of solar panel factories and heat

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Speaker 12: pump factories and not leaving it to get to the

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Speaker 12: stage it's at now.

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Speaker 2: Alsoly say how many Chinese evs would I see on

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Speaker 2: any given day?

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Speaker 12: You know, you'd start to see quite a bit. They've

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Speaker 12: got you, I don't know what it is. It's between

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Speaker 12: five and ten percent of the market. So you essentially

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Speaker 12: see Tesla some Chinese cars around. What you will see

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Speaker 12: a lot of, Mike though, are hybrids, you petrol battery hybrids,

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Speaker 12: and they're you know, but the French just came to

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Speaker 12: that way too late. They've got Toyota making cars here

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Speaker 12: but this is so new and they came to the

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Speaker 12: party way too late.

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Speaker 2: But when you talk about hybrids, are you talking about

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Speaker 2: plug and hybrids? And I want to bore people with

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Speaker 2: the technology, but I mean, if you're talking about plug

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Speaker 2: and hybrids, does France have an electric charging infrastructure that

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Speaker 2: you would be confident of finding a part to plug

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Speaker 2: your Caaren while you go shopping?

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Speaker 12: Yeah you do, now you do notice it, but not

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Speaker 12: a lot of people. It's still got the range. Let's

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Speaker 12: not forget France is a big country. It is huge,

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Speaker 12: so if you want to plug in your car, you

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Speaker 12: really want to get more than sort of two hundred

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Speaker 12: klometers range before you plug into and service station, which

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Speaker 12: there are on the motorways, and they do have fast charging,

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Speaker 12: but it's really not the sort of driving touring that

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Speaker 12: the French history is getting in the car, driving a

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Speaker 12: long distance and being at the beach or the mountains

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Speaker 12: or whatever. And of course you're getting these bigger cars

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Speaker 12: that you need a lot of juice in them, and

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Speaker 12: then you don't go very far.

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Speaker 2: No exactly. Now, the report I read last week when

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Speaker 2: the budget came out was the beleagued government one would

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Speaker 2: you describe your government as beleagued and too. How did

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Speaker 2: the budget go down?

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Speaker 12: It is very beleagued. Really, this budget has come at

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Speaker 12: a bad time for this new Prime Minister Vagnier. Yeah,

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Speaker 12: it's all bad news, Mike.

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Speaker 13: There is.

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Speaker 12: The deficit is around six percent of GDP. That the

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Speaker 12: President had promised it would be four point four percent

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Speaker 12: this year. You know, it really isn't That isn't good.

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Speaker 12: They need to get it down to about three percent

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Speaker 12: to go in with the EU. So they've come up

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Speaker 12: with this with this budget. I mean, the sums are

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Speaker 12: just astounding.

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Speaker 13: They need to.

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Speaker 12: Make about seventy three billion New Zealand dollars in spending cuts,

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Speaker 12: and they need to bring in about sixty billion new

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Speaker 12: Zealand dollars in new taxes, which they say they'll get

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Speaker 12: from large companies and wealthy homeowners. They're knocking about seven

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Speaker 12: billion New Zealand dollars off the healthcare budget. They're delaying

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Speaker 12: infleation adaptation for pensions for a year and he's got

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Speaker 12: to get that through parliament. It's now in the Finance Committee.

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Speaker 12: It's only been there for a few days. Yes, it

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Speaker 12: is bad. France shouldn't have the stat but it hasn't

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Speaker 12: balanced its budget Mike for about fifty years. They like

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Speaker 12: all other countries. The headwinds that it's got are really bad.

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Speaker 12: You've got troubling international situation, you don't know how the

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Speaker 12: market's going to react, You've got widening deficits, and you've

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Speaker 12: got what later this month's Moodies is going to give

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Speaker 12: it credit rating on France and next month s and

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Speaker 12: P so borrowing could get even more expensive for the

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Speaker 12: French treasury.

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Speaker 2: Sounds a fun time. Good to catch up, katherineppreciate it

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Speaker 2: very much. Catherine Field out of France this morning. Just quickly,

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Speaker 2: Tusk and Poland announced over the weekend temporarily suspending the

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Speaker 2: right to asylum as part of a new migration strategy

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Speaker 2: to compact what he calls irregular migration, so that despite

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Speaker 2: the end of some of that particular problem continues in Europe.

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Speaker 2: Night Away from seven.

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Speaker 1: On My Costal Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate News Talk ZV.

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Speaker 2: Just the people of Wellington sick of it. Three Wellington

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Speaker 2: business associations have got together over this mess of the

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Speaker 2: Golden Mile. She was on. Tory was on the radio

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Speaker 2: locally in zb yesterday talking about the list of non negotiables.

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Speaker 2: One of the non negotiables, and this is how democracy

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Speaker 2: works in the Tory world, we have non negotiables. Heaven forbid,

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Speaker 2: the people would have an opinion anyway. One of the

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Speaker 2: non negotiables is the Golden Mile so Retail New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: Hospitality in New Zealand, and the Bust and Coach Association.

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Speaker 2: Not natural bedfellows wouldn't have thought, especially in view of

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Speaker 2: the disastrous impacts the Thorndon Key project as having on

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Speaker 2: local businesses. They universally cried out to the council. We

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Speaker 2: expect more businesses will face closure or need to move

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Speaker 2: out of the area. My question really simply just how

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Speaker 2: many businesses need to go under before some idiot on

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Speaker 2: the council finally wakes up and realizes that maybe, just

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Speaker 2: maybe what they're doing isn't wanted, isn't needed, and isn't

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Speaker 2: going to work. And are they going to realize that

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Speaker 2: before Nicola and Christopher from down the road come in

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Speaker 2: and go, you guys are out, and we'll get some

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Speaker 2: professionals and four away from seven.

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Speaker 1: Well, the ins are the outs. It's the biz. With

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Speaker 1: business fiber, take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Now the European as we were with Catherine a moment ago,

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Speaker 2: the European Central Bank ECB is back most likely for

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Speaker 2: another crack at their cash rape this week. Inflation currently

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Speaker 2: a one point eight percent under the two percent target,

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Speaker 2: of course, or inflation that takes out your energy, your food,

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Speaker 2: you boost in your tobacco. That's two point seven. The

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Speaker 2: current prediction for the ECB is another twenty five basis

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Speaker 2: point cut this week. That'll be followed they think, by

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Speaker 2: a fourth straight in December. So the central banks around

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Speaker 2: the world are on a bit of a roll at

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Speaker 2: the moment. That'll put the central Bank's key rate at

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Speaker 2: three percent by the end of the year. Now, the

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Speaker 2: forecast for growth they've worked down a little Bit's gone

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Speaker 2: down to zero point eight for the year, slightly down

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Speaker 2: from the zero point nine they thought that at the beginning.

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Speaker 5: Of the year.

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Speaker 2: But zero point nine, zero point eight. But they say

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Speaker 2: next year, they say, hey, guess what, next year, inflation

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Speaker 2: is not going to be a major issue at all.

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Speaker 2: And so the entrails of this whole bizarre experiment by

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Speaker 2: central banks all over the world as to who handled

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Speaker 2: it better and who didn't. My money at the moment,

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Speaker 2: we've yet to see Australia finish up because they haven't

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Speaker 2: even cut yet. And they haven't cut because they've still

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Speaker 2: got some buoyancy in the economy. And the great debate

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Speaker 2: as to whether that buoyancy is too much government spending

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Speaker 2: because it's a labor government. But my bet at the

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Speaker 2: moment is the Central Bank of a Marria has done

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Speaker 2: it the best they've They've engineered pretty much a soft landing.

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Speaker 2: No one universally has lost their job. There's certainly been

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Speaker 2: no recession, so I think they at this point anyway

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Speaker 2: get the gold medal for that exercise.

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Speaker 1: The newsmakers and the personalities of the big names talk

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Speaker 1: to like the costing Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate. Your

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Speaker 1: local experts across residential, commercial, and rural news togs had been.

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Speaker 2: Morning seven minutes past seven. So do the job market

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Speaker 2: and the new numbers out indicate if there are green

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Speaker 2: shoots to be seen in this economy of ours. The

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Speaker 2: last cab off the rank's going to be the job market.

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Speaker 2: Jobs seeking numbers are up twelve percent since this time

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Speaker 2: last year. That's an extra twelve thousand people for were wins.

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Speaker 2: Boss Christine ranking with us on this Christine Morning to you.

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Speaker 18: Good morning, Mike.

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Speaker 2: Do you subscribe to the broad theory that it is

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Speaker 2: jobs the last to be seen to coming right, so

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Speaker 2: everything comes right by the jobs.

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Speaker 18: Yes, absolutely, And this was expected and predicted by economists

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Speaker 18: and we haven't reached the peak yet, so it's obvious

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Speaker 18: that it's going to get worse before it gets pretty.

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Speaker 18: You can't turn a mess of an economy around like

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Speaker 18: this in a year, there's no doubt about that.

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Speaker 2: No, you can't. The sticky bit for the government was

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Speaker 2: they tightened the rules around the unemployment at a time

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Speaker 2: when jobs were actually disappearing, which made it difficult.

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Speaker 10: Didn't it.

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Speaker 18: No, I don't believe that does make it difficult. What

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Speaker 18: it does is ensure that job seekers do not rock

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Speaker 18: on that benefit, and that's what happened with the last regime.

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Speaker 18: This is actually a gift that they've got that in

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Speaker 18: place now because nobody's going to be stuck on that benefit. Look,

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Speaker 18: we are losing, we have got people on benefit, more

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Speaker 18: people on benefit, But there are a lot of jobs

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Speaker 18: out there, and it's about the motivation and the confidence

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Speaker 18: to get them back into work different.

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Speaker 2: Work and does the department actually do that? I mean,

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Speaker 2: what's the role of the department And where's the line

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Speaker 2: between I've lost my job so it's up to me

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Speaker 2: to find another job versus some government Wonkho's going to go, well,

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Speaker 2: what you should be doing? This, this, this and this.

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Speaker 18: Look, you're absolutely right. There are a lot of people

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Speaker 18: who won't go near any government department unless they need

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Speaker 18: support of that benefit. And then they get into the

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Speaker 18: system and have to have that government wonk as you

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Speaker 18: call them, to help facilitate it. A lot of people

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Speaker 18: will find their own jobs, but if they don't, yes

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Speaker 18: that this minister is absolutely determined about what this government

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Speaker 18: department is going to do. I don't think it's done

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Speaker 18: it for a long time, but I'm sure it's very

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Speaker 18: excited to be doing it again.

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Speaker 16: It's real work.

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Speaker 2: What do you do with a bloke who was at

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Speaker 2: a mill in the middle of the North Island, small town,

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, whose mill got closed and he's now looking

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Speaker 2: at Australia. Do you say bye bye and all the best?

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Speaker 2: What do you do with them?

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Speaker 18: Well, unless there really is an alternative there, you can

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Speaker 18: absolutely understand why he's going to Australia. This isn't going

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Speaker 18: to happen to him again over there, and the conditions

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Speaker 18: are going to be much better. If I was running

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Speaker 18: wealthare now, I'd be telling my people if there weren't

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Speaker 18: jobs there, do everything you can to support them to go.

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Speaker 15: They have a right to that.

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Speaker 2: Life, right, Christine, appreciate your expertise as almost Christine Rank

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Speaker 2: and form a Wind's boss Wethers name in it's Past

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Speaker 2: seven Past Game, johb Sir Brian Roach has named as

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Speaker 2: our next public service Commission. Of the public service, of course,

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Speaker 2: has been hammered as the new government tries to rebalance

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Speaker 2: the economy. So what sort of task does he have?

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Speaker 2: Sir Brian's, Well, this is a very good morning to you.

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Speaker 15: Good morning mine.

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Speaker 2: I looked at you CV this morning. You've done a

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Speaker 2: lot of public work. Do you love public life? In

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Speaker 2: terms of the public service, I don't.

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Speaker 15: Like public life, but I do like serving in public There.

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Speaker 2: Is it an effective means of your time, expertise and skills,

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Speaker 2: do you think?

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Speaker 15: I absolutely believe so. I mean, that's just taken a

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Speaker 15: big decision to change the directory of my life. But

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Speaker 15: I believe that I have a contribution to make and

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Speaker 15: I'm privileged to be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: It's not a bad point because you're going for a

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Speaker 2: shortened term. Your shortened term because you've got bigger fish

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Speaker 2: to fry in other things to do, or you think

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Speaker 2: you're extremely effective and we'll be able to get five

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Speaker 2: years worth of work done in two years eight months.

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Speaker 15: I think I'm an effect that I'm not a super man.

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Speaker 15: It's more just the reflection of an aging process. A

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Speaker 15: time to be honest.

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Speaker 2: Does it depend on the government of the day how

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Speaker 2: the public service works?

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Speaker 13: I do.

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Speaker 15: I do because the government sets the tone and this

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Speaker 15: government has been very clear that they're looking to raise

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Speaker 15: the performance of the public sector. I think the public

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Speaker 15: sector itself would like to raise its performance and that's

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Speaker 15: part of the task ahead.

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Speaker 2: How do you do that.

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Speaker 15: You do that ultimately through getting good quality people who

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Speaker 15: believe in what they're doing. I think the public service

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Speaker 15: in New Zealand are very good, but like every other business, frustracting.

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Speaker 15: There is no business that can't perform better, and you

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Speaker 15: know all businesses are under pressure in New Zealand. The

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Speaker 15: public sector is no difference.

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Speaker 11: I have to.

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Speaker 15: Bring some stabilization and re orientation to that and I

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Speaker 15: feel I can do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing as an observer some pushback from the public

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Speaker 2: service at the moment, especially around, for example, race relating issues.

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Speaker 2: So the new governor to the day says, we're not

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Speaker 2: having race related issues. We don't base judgment on race anymore.

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Speaker 2: But I'm seeing pushback in the public service. Do you

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Speaker 2: see that as an issue? And if you do, what

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Speaker 2: do you do about that?

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Speaker 15: Look, I haven't taken up the child yet. It will

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Speaker 15: be an issue, and that's an issue I'm just going

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Speaker 15: to have to face. But it's one that I'm really

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Speaker 15: confident about. You know, the quality of the leadership and

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Speaker 15: the public sector is there. Ultimately the public sector that

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Speaker 15: is there to serve the government of the day, and

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Speaker 15: they have to do that without fear or favor.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: See that's what That's why I raise the question, because

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Speaker 2: that's the theory on the piece of paper that they're

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Speaker 2: there to serve the government of the day. When you

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Speaker 2: see pushback, they're not serving the government of the day.

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Speaker 2: They're serving themselves, aren't they.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, And that's an issue that they have to deal with. Ultimately,

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Speaker 15: if you can't serve the government, then you have to

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Speaker 15: make decision around where your career is going. But ultimately,

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Speaker 15: good people will make this work. And I'm confident we've

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Speaker 15: got good people.

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Speaker 2: Good stuff. Good luck with the jobs. Brian Right, who's

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Speaker 2: the new Public Service Commissioner? Twelve minutes past seven past

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Speaker 2: games we once worked for the public doesn't any more goals.

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Speaker 2: Garriman was in care or yesterday appealing. This surprised me.

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Speaker 2: She pleaded guilty, so it's unusual. I think I'm right

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Speaker 2: in saying this. It's unusual to plead guilty to something

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Speaker 2: and then come back for an appeal. So they declined

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Speaker 2: initially a request for a discharge without conviction that was

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Speaker 2: back at the original trial. And we also have confusion

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Speaker 2: around the so called job at the ICC, the International

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Speaker 2: Criminal Court. If they've been convicted of serious criminal offending,

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Speaker 2: you can't work at the ICC. But we don't know

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Speaker 2: whether Garriman's offending was serious enough to trigger that. We

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Speaker 2: also don't know this from the Crown Solicitor, any impact

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Speaker 2: of Garriman's future employment of mental health, whether they were

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Speaker 2: consequences of the offending and themselves not the convictions and

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Speaker 2: their lawyer, her lawyer didn't turn up with any indicating

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Speaker 2: information as to whether she'd actually applied for a job

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Speaker 2: at the ICC, whether there was a job to be

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Speaker 2: applied for at the ICC, or whether she was just

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Speaker 2: appealing for the sake of appealing. She did not hold

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Speaker 2: a current practicing certificate, far less an application for a job. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Justice Venning, who's overseeing this, has reserved their decisions, so

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Speaker 2: it'll be interesting to see where this goes. Thirteen past the.

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Speaker 2: Very good point on the text, Mic, isn't the impact

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Speaker 2: on future work part of the deterrent? I'm sure they're

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Speaker 2: taking all of that into consideration. Mike WHN Do you

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Speaker 2: have Will buckson on the show?

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Speaker 5: After right?

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Speaker 2: Sixteen minutes past seven? Are good news in our aviation sector? Well,

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Speaker 2: I think it's good. New smaller planes seem to be

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Speaker 2: picking up increasing business. Barrier Air, for example, started an

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Speaker 2: Auckland to kerry Kerey route back in August. Seats continue

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Speaker 2: to sell out, which is good. So are we seeing

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Speaker 2: a sort of a reshaping of the regional landscape? Barrier

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Speaker 2: Air Boss Grant bacons with us Grant, morning to.

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Speaker 5: You, Good morning, Mike, how much.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well indeed, thank you. How many seats do

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Speaker 2: you offer Auckland to Kerry Carey and are they all

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Speaker 2: in general taken up?

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Speaker 16: So we currently have twenty sectors per week and that

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Speaker 16: equates to a round about fifteen hundred seats per month

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Speaker 16: available and currently we're getting a load fact of around

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Speaker 16: seventy percent.

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Speaker 2: That good.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, that's good. Yep, no, that's that's certainly paying its way.

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Speaker 2: So when we see in New Zealand in the news

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Speaker 2: last week they're cutting down services between christ Church, Queenstown,

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Speaker 2: Duneed and Wellington, christ Church, New Plymouth, blenha and Wellington,

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Speaker 2: do you go hello there's an opportunity or not.

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Speaker 16: Yeah. Absolutely, there's a fair amount of I guess robustness

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Speaker 16: we need to see with Kerry Kerry in terms of

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Speaker 16: making sure that the model does work. But as the

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Speaker 16: days and months go on, we're seeing that a complementary

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Speaker 16: service in line with the National carrier is actually proving

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Speaker 16: to be great for consumers and has a viable business

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Speaker 16: case as well.

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Speaker 2: Is there a big difference between say, Auckland Kerry Carey's

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Speaker 2: drivable Dunedin, Wellington, christ Church, New Plymouth isn't does that

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Speaker 2: make a material difference to a company like yours.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, it does. So we've got quite a good reputation

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Speaker 16: in the North New Zealand. We've built the business since

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Speaker 16: twenty fifteen. What we see as an issue in terms

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Speaker 16: of those longer routes is the fact that actually at

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Speaker 16: the moment, the regional aviation space is in poor shape.

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Speaker 16: And that is not only relevant to New Zealand. It's

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Speaker 16: also moving into other countries as well where they're having issues.

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Speaker 16: And that primarily comes down to the fact that there's

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Speaker 16: actually not a lot of aircraft being manufactured right now

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Speaker 16: that is capable of doing those longer routes. So that

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Speaker 16: is an issue.

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Speaker 2: So that's an issue even for a company like us,

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Speaker 2: because I'm looking at Etty Guard the other day. They're

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Speaker 2: re refurbishing all their fleets. I mean, this is a big,

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Speaker 2: major international player. They cannot get planes for lavend or money.

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Speaker 2: Boeing's on strike at the moment, Airbus deliveries are down,

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Speaker 2: so even at your small plane level, it's an issue.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, most definitely. So not only can you not find aeroplanes,

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Speaker 16: you can't get parts for them, and that's a major

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Speaker 16: contributor to where the fair prices had to go over

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Speaker 16: to last eighteen months in terms of what a consumer pays.

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Speaker 16: And then the technology. A lot of legacy aircraft manufacturers

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Speaker 16: of a smaller nature have stopped producing or they're moving

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Speaker 16: their attention else where. So it is an issue to

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Speaker 16: fulfiller into island route of a slightly longer haul.

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Speaker 2: Interesting insight, Grant, glad it's going well for you though,

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Speaker 2: Grant Bacon Barrier air CEO with us this morning. I

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Speaker 2: introduced a little bit of it yesterday or did I

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Speaker 2: I can't remember. Anyway, I think we've stumbled upon what

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Speaker 2: you could pretty reasonably and I'll raise it with the

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Speaker 2: Prime Minister as well, pretty reasonably call a scam more

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Speaker 2: Bosking seven twenty three from our You wonder why we

885
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Speaker 2: are where we are? File note from the Solicitor General

886
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Speaker 2: to the Police Prosecution Service about the new system they

887
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: will have in place as of the start next year.

888
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 2: Now we have the SG starts updated the prosecution guidelines.

889
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: The goals remain to ensure you are I'm quoting him here.

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00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 2: New Zealand continues to benefit from prosecution processes which are

891
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Speaker 2: underscored by the core values of transparency, equality and fair

892
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: application of the law to all participants, and reflect the

893
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 2: legitimate public interest in prosecuting criminal offending. Well, so far,

894
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 2: so good, right, But then but then they get to

895
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 2: this bit. The guidelines ask prosecutors to quote unquote think

896
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Speaker 2: carefully about particular decisions were a person as Maori or

897
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 2: a member of any other group disproportionately impact by the

898
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Speaker 2: criminal justice system. This does not promote different treatment based

899
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:38,280
Speaker 2: on ethnicity or membership of a particular group. It instead

900
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Speaker 2: alerts prosecutors to situations and factors that may deliver inequitable

901
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 2: outcomes for some people in those groups. Quick question, what

902
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: do you reckon that means? And does it mean what

903
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 2: you think it means? Without the meaning being so explicit

904
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Speaker 2: you go, what the hell I thought we were getting

905
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 2: rid of all of this nonsense? And all this nonsense

906
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: is the problem the government has with race based ideology.

907
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 2: They say a lot of one thing, but are facing

908
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 2: a tremendous amount of pushback on it, as the university's

909
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: collapse in global rankings as published last week at least

910
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,360
Speaker 2: surely in part because of their obsession with race. We

911
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:15,600
Speaker 2: now find the justice system instructed to quote think carefully

912
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: what is this disproportion they speak of. Well, obviously, when

913
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 2: it comes to race, Mari are overrepresented in crime. Ask

914
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,959
Speaker 2: a simple question why and the answer surely is because

915
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 2: sadly they commit too much of it. Another simple question

916
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Speaker 2: is by thinking carefully as instructed by the Solicitor General,

917
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Speaker 2: perhaps going to lead to I don't know, lesser charges,

918
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Speaker 2: whether in severity or numbers, And therefore the disproportion has

919
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 2: balanced out a bit. No reduction in crime, just the consequences.

920
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: And a final simple question. If the government says we

921
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Speaker 2: should not be having policy based on race, how do

922
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Speaker 2: they explain this asking? And there is more, as I

923
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Speaker 2: have discovered from the Solicitor General I quote them again.

924
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: The project team worked with a diverse range of views

925
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 2: and experiences in developing the new guidelines. We conducted the

926
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Speaker 2: review with Enaia Tonu Nai marii thought leaders. They played

927
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Speaker 2: a pivotal role as advocates for consideration of Maori experiences. Now,

928
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,840
Speaker 2: who are this Enaya Tonu Nai Well, they've been around

929
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: for a long time since twenty eighteen, in fact, so

930
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: the full six years. They were born out of Maori

931
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Speaker 2: resistance to the lack of Mari voice at the Crown's

932
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Speaker 2: Criminal Justice Summit. You remember that one, that was the

933
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Speaker 2: one with the flash catering with Andrew Little, that was

934
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Speaker 2: one of his first forays into the wonderful world of justice.

935
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Speaker 2: So they asked for a national Mari Hui to take

936
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Speaker 2: place at the summit, and the Justice Minister of the time,

937
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Speaker 2: the fabulous Andrew Little, he said, no, no worries at all.

938
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Speaker 2: So they had their meeting of over two hundred mari

939
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Speaker 2: with extensive criminal justice experience, including those with lived experiences,

940
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: and their mission as a result of these meetings, these

941
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Speaker 2: get togethers, so they could go on to advise the

942
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Speaker 2: Solicitor General to and I quote here, to recognize the

943
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Speaker 2: justice this system as settler colonial and to begin decolonizing

944
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: the in brackets in justice system. So that's their guiding light,

945
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 2: that's their us on debt, and that's the advice they're

946
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 2: giving the Solicitor General, who is in turn giving the

947
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Speaker 2: police prosecutors the said advice. In a system that is

948
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Speaker 2: not supposed to be based in any way, shape or

949
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: form on race, How do we explain that and who

950
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: do we ask about this? I know, how about the

951
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister? Fortunately he's next.

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Speaker 2: Chrystal Lux and good.

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Speaker 5: Morning, Good morning, Mike Lena Lawson will be great.

962
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Speaker 2: He will be good and I hope he does very well.

963
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: Now listen, gum boot Friday, Is this a stitchung?

964
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 5: No, No, this is about us making sure that we

965
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 5: get some good work done and we put more power

966
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Speaker 5: to it. And that's why we've been proud to support them,

967
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 5: because it's about Kiyi's dealing with the young young key

968
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 5: is dealing with their mental health. We're going to have

969
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 5: an extra fifteen thousand counseling session for those young Kiwi's,

970
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 5: which who desperately needed at a pretty desperate time. So look,

971
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 5: it's a great organization. I'm proud that we're supporting them.

972
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 2: Why did the Order to General say what the Order

973
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: to general said, oh.

974
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Speaker 5: Look, I mean they're an independent role. They're entitled to

975
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: their views. But look, we campaigned on this. We then

976
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 5: said we said what we did, we're going to do.

977
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Speaker 5: We did it, and I'm proud that we have. So

978
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Speaker 5: you know, it's good that they look at the process

979
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Speaker 5: and they can raise their raise their advice on it.

980
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 5: But the BOTO liners, we're doing it. We're backing a

981
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 5: Gunbat Friday. They do great work and fifteen thousand young

982
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 5: chemis get counseling.

983
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 2: So you're arguing, basically, we're the government, will do what

984
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: we want, bug of the process, and he can write

985
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 2: all the reports he wants. You're not paying attention to

986
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: this particular case.

987
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 5: But I'm not saying that. I'm just saying that, you know,

988
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 5: Gunboat Friday we talked about in the campaign as being

989
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,879
Speaker 5: a great example of a community organization doing good work

990
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 5: that could be scaled more and unique work actually, and

991
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 5: I spoke to a number of young people, you know,

992
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 5: and we put the money into that organization. It was

993
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:23,360
Speaker 5: also something that you tell the first wanted to do

994
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 5: both both parties, and I'm pleased that we are because

995
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 5: I'm getting access to count way.

996
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,280
Speaker 2: I defend your right to do it because you're the government.

997
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 2: But Matt Doucy did he throws officials under the bus

998
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 2: when he said, and I quote. Throughout the process, the

999
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: Minister has sought and received assurances from officials that the

1000
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:41,320
Speaker 2: implementation option chosen by the Ministry of Health is compliant

1001
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 2: with government procedural rules. That simply isn't true.

1002
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 5: Oh well, look, I think you know it was unusual

1003
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 5: in the sense of we had campaigned on it. We

1004
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,719
Speaker 5: believe it's a great organization. We think it's a good

1005
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 5: investment in young people, and you know, the new Order

1006
00:47:57,200 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 5: to General can can write their report and can say

1007
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 5: there's some things that they think we could do better,

1008
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 5: but the bottom line is a good organization. We're backing up.

1009
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: What are the odds of you stepping into Wellington Council.

1010
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 5: Well, we're pretty concerned about it. If I'm honest, it

1011
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 5: doesn't look great. Their long term plan looks at risk.

1012
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 5: It's something we're monitoring really closely. I know some of

1013
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 5: and Brown in particular is all over it, and we'll

1014
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 5: continue to monitor it and if we have to make

1015
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 5: an intervention, we will.

1016
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 2: What would have to happen for you to move.

1017
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 5: Well, I think we want to understand you know. Yeah,

1018
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 5: I know he'll be looking very closely at the long

1019
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,440
Speaker 5: term plan, which is at risk under the failure to

1020
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 5: be able to sell the airport. She is willing to

1021
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 5: the airport, and he'll want a pathway and to make

1022
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 5: sure that they're doing everything they can to be financially

1023
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 5: responsible to keep rates as low as possible.

1024
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: Can I quote you the Solicitor General in their advice

1025
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: to the Prosecution service at the police the guidelines asked

1026
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:55,720
Speaker 2: prosecutors to think carefully about particular decisions. We're a person,

1027
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 2: whether the victim or a defendant is Maori. What does

1028
00:48:58,719 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: that mean?

1029
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 5: Well, I mean what I'd say is that prosecution decisions

1030
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 5: should be color blind. But also the prosecution guidelines are

1031
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 5: independently issued by this Solicited General. They are someone you know,

1032
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,440
Speaker 5: and I really can't get You should ask her a

1033
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 5: But I mean, I can't really get into it because

1034
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 5: I've got to respect the other elements of our democracy,

1035
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 5: the judiciary, and I've got to focus on what I

1036
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,480
Speaker 5: can control, and what we are controlling is restoring law

1037
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 5: and order.

1038
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 2: I thought you controlled whether we had race based policy

1039
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: in this country.

1040
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 5: Well, we made a decision very clear. What we have

1041
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 5: controlled as tough new gang laws. We've limited, you know,

1042
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 5: sentencing discounts. We've actually stopped the cottage industry around the

1043
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:41,959
Speaker 5: preparation of Section twenty seven cultural reports, and we've got.

1044
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 2: A very race prostitution decision should be with race that's

1045
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 2: more justice is the Solicitor General thumbing her knows that.

1046
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 5: You well again, I mean it's an independent role. I

1047
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,160
Speaker 5: encourage you to ask those questions to her. I really

1048
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 5: got to can't get into it because I've got to

1049
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:56,680
Speaker 5: respect the.

1050
00:49:57,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 2: But here's my problem. I'm listening to you as a

1051
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: government who I thought was running the country with a

1052
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 2: series of fairly clear objectives around race, and you say

1053
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: one thing and another thing is done, and I don't

1054
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: understand that.

1055
00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 5: Well, again, what I can do is we can focus

1056
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 5: on what we can control, which is the executive.

1057
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: Saying, by the way, what we would like to do

1058
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: in this country is have non race based policies. But

1059
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure we'll be able to because I'm expecting

1060
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,880
Speaker 2: pushback from the public service or independent bodies.

1061
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,400
Speaker 5: Well, I think we've had good support from much of

1062
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 5: the public service. I appreciate not everyone's on board. Of

1063
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 5: what we're trying to do. But the reality is the

1064
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 5: vast majority have and they've been actually supporting us getting

1065
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 5: our gender out the door. I think when you look

1066
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 5: at those new ganglas, that's going to help us cut

1067
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,399
Speaker 5: down on violent crime. When you look at the stop

1068
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 5: in the section twenty seven College reports, with Harry Tam

1069
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 5: and Coe preparing them, we've stopped that we're putting limits

1070
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 5: on judges and seniencing discounts. You still always be a

1071
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 5: need for people to consider their individual cases and make

1072
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 5: the case to judges, but you know, we would expect

1073
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 5: that you know that these guidelines actually are designed to

1074
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 5: make sure there's good outcomes for people irrespect of their

1075
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,799
Speaker 5: and frankly, prosecution shouldn't be as I said color line.

1076
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 5: So do you know that's important?

1077
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,320
Speaker 2: Do you know who Anaya Tanu Nai is?

1078
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 5: No idea.

1079
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 2: These were a group of people that were consulted by

1080
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: the Solicitor General. They arrived in twenty eighteen as a

1081
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 2: result of Andrew Little's Justice Summit and they had a

1082
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 2: meeting and they want to recognize the justice system as

1083
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 2: settler colonial and to begin decolonizing the bracket's in justice system.

1084
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,320
Speaker 2: Those are the people who are advising the Solicitor General

1085
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: before she writes to the Police Prosecution Service. Does that

1086
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: worry you?

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's just not a view that I

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Speaker 5: would hold. I mean, I think we've got a justice

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Speaker 5: system that it needs to make sure that it prosecutes

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Speaker 5: people in a color bline way and actually make you

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Speaker 5: don't whe actually get well, well, we need to. I

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Speaker 5: mean that's yeah, but we don't of it. Well, I'm

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Speaker 5: not sure I agree with that. I appreciate that there's

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Speaker 5: prosecution guidelines independently prepared by an independence listed General and

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Speaker 5: a branch of democracy that I have to respect and

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Speaker 5: I can't get into per se. But what I can

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Speaker 5: do is make sure that because you know, they want

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Speaker 5: to make sure prosecutioncitions are free from political influence.

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Speaker 10: I get that.

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Speaker 5: You know that's part of our democracy.

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Speaker 2: Well you want to how is it you're so keen

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00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 2: to adhere to the political but not to the race.

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00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 2: So you don't want to get you some self in

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00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: trouble for political but you don't mind getting yourself in

1105
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: trouble for race. Well, I mean you can't avoid these instructions.

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00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 2: I mean they're explicit to recognize the justice system is

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00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 2: settler colonial and to begin decolonizing the injustice and completely.

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Speaker 5: I don't don't agree that that is a reflection of

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Speaker 5: what our justice.

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Speaker 2: But that's in the letter is received by the Prosecution

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00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 2: Service of this country.

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Speaker 5: And that's lists of General's an independent position and a

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00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:40,719
Speaker 5: part of our democracy that I have to respect. And

1114
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 5: so the question is what I can control is actually

1115
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 5: making sure that we pass as a parliament as executive

1116
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 5: laws that make it really clear, getting ready section twenty

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00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 5: seven reports in that cottage industry is important. Making sure

1118
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 5: judges can put you know, we put limits on their

1119
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,879
Speaker 5: sentence and discounts is important. Making sure we get tough

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Speaker 5: new gang laws as great to get down on violent crime,

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Speaker 5: serious and offenders, on retail crime. Those are the things

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Speaker 5: that I can control, and I think by a larger

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Speaker 5: justices and will deliver well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fast Track trans Tasman Resources, who are one of

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Speaker 2: the people on the short list, claimed they can earn

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Speaker 2: a billion dollars a year. I'm assuming and making the

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00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 2: claim of a billion dollars a year. When the committee

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00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: looked at the fast Track they went, jeez, that looks good.

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Speaker 2: I'll put them on the list. Once they got on

1130
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Speaker 2: the list, they've said that doesn't count anymore. Are you

1131
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: in trouble with this?

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Speaker 5: No, no, not at all. I mean, we've got to

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Speaker 5: grow this country, and we know we've got to get

1134
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Speaker 5: things done, and we've got to be open to economic growth,

1135
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 5: and so our expert panels will go through the process

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Speaker 5: making sure that they are. And you know that they're

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Speaker 5: considering a whole bunch of things, of the economic impacts,

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Speaker 5: the environmental impacts, but importantly we are prioritizing development and growth.

1139
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:45,920
Speaker 5: You know, we want to have a high growth country.

1140
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 5: And for that you've got to say yes to stuff.

1141
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 5: And when you do, you say stuff from there who

1142
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 5: clearly made it up. Well, I'm not sure that that

1143
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,000
Speaker 5: would be the case if I.

1144
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Speaker 2: Claim I'm making a billion dollars and then two days

1145
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 2: after I'm on the shortlist, I claim I'm not going

1146
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Speaker 2: to make a billion dollars. Did I make it up?

1147
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 2: Or did I make just a bit of a whoopsie?

1148
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Speaker 2: But oh well, never mind, I'm on the shortlist.

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Speaker 5: Well, well, Mike, I'm not going to go into the

1150
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Speaker 5: individual cases that are in those fast tracks, but what

1151
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 5: I can tell you is, you know, the job of

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Speaker 5: expert panel, Yeah, that is the job of the expert panel. No, no,

1153
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Speaker 5: I'm not saying I don't think they have. I mean

1154
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 5: they will make their assessment as to.

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Speaker 2: Whether that's well, what do they make the national knowledge

1156
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 2: or something that was made up.

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Speaker 5: Betweening on whether they have a project of regional or

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00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 5: national significance as you know, under the fast tracked laws

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Speaker 5: and what I make no apology for that. I appreciate

1160
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 5: there'll be controversial product project projects in there, and that's

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00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 5: not a bad thing because I'm interested in actually getting

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00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 5: things moving and things growing. We want to have higher

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Speaker 5: value growth here in New Zealand. You know, you look

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Speaker 5: at other places that are growing quicker. They got rapidly

1165
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 5: rising wages relative to our performances. We've got to get

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Speaker 5: things unlocked and agreement all.

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Speaker 2: All of that's good stuff. But in usurping, as your

1168
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 2: critics will tell you, some of the laws are indeed

1169
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:00,920
Speaker 2: not changing the law so you you can fast track.

1170
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Speaker 2: So the scrutiny isn't there One of the first companies

1171
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Speaker 2: involved in the short list has been found wanting This

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Speaker 2: opens you up to criticism, doesn't it.

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00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 5: Well, again, that's a decision for the expert panel to

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Speaker 5: make about their assessment.

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Speaker 2: Of that each end of the expert panel aren't that

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Speaker 2: expert after all, and they keep making mistakes like this,

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Speaker 2: and you've got to defeend them on programs like this,

1178
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Speaker 2: and you'll be putting down the phone in a minute

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Speaker 2: and going bloody.

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Speaker 5: Hell, no, Mike, I never do that. I never do that.

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Speaker 5: Plug on the phone and go bloody. I'll have to

1182
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Speaker 5: talk to you. But no, Look, I mean, look, the

1183
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 5: reality is that there will be controversial projects. There'll be

1184
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Speaker 5: a lot of people who won't like a bunch of

1185
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Speaker 5: projects on that list, but we're going to do them

1186
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Speaker 5: because actually, I think the feedback's been pretty good. People

1187
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 5: understand that we've got to get things done. When you

1188
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 5: think about fifty five thousand houses getting built, when you

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Speaker 5: think about thirty percent more growth and electricity generation of

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Speaker 5: our current capacity, that's good. When you think aout one

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Speaker 5: hundred and eighty k's of new roads coming down, that's great.

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Speaker 5: So look, there'll be controversy on a number of projects.

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Speaker 5: You know, we've got an expert panel, we go through

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Speaker 5: the individual cases, case by case, and then we need

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Speaker 5: to get going.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate your time, Christopher Luxe said it. Brian Minutster thirteen

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Speaker 2: away from eight.

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Speaker 2: Mike Luxon just confirmed my suspicion, Gutlass wonder. I think

1201
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Speaker 2: it's probably a bit hard a window addressing the racial

1202
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 2: issues so many New Zealand is concerned about, too scared

1203
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 2: to do what he was elected to do. I ask

1204
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 2: you the question, and and he's technically right. I mean,

1205
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 2: you've got independent bodies and you can't go against the judiciary.

1206
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 2: I understand that technically he is right. But surely in

1207
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: making the promises he did in the policies he campaigned on,

1208
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 2: he knew that. And therefore if he knew that, he

1209
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: might have put a rider in place. And I didn't

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Speaker 2: get around to the other business credibility issues. And I

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Speaker 2: suppose this goes to some way, shape or form into

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Speaker 2: the polling. Last night, the numbers around the books that

1213
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Speaker 2: were opened late last week, and they're getting more money in.

1214
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: Nikola Willis called it sobering or not particularly good or

1215
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 2: whatever the phrase he used was. But they are getting

1216
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,920
Speaker 2: more money in, but they're spending more money. So they're

1217
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 2: spending more money is on them. So for a government

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Speaker 2: that was going to be frugal, and Damian Grant wrote

1219
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Speaker 2: a very good piece and stuff over the weekend, ending

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Speaker 2: with the words, perhaps even a new captain if the

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Speaker 2: current one isn't willing to make the hard course what

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Speaker 2: he's suggesting, And he went through a whole lot of

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Speaker 2: numbers in the economy going basically, they're spending more money

1224
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Speaker 2: than they're bringing and they know they're doing it. They

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Speaker 2: said they wouldn't and so you're starting to get some

1226
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 2: credibility issues bubble to the surface. But more in a

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Speaker 2: moment nine to eight.

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Speaker 1: The costing breakfast with a Veta retirement, Communities news talks

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Speaker 1: that'd be.

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Speaker 2: He had a lot of reaction. So we find out

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Speaker 2: the solicitor general is running the place. My vote's just evaporated.

1232
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Speaker 2: That's part of the problem. You've got to explain these things.

1233
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: So it's not I mean, obviously a politician knows this,

1234
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 2: but at the end of the day, how many voters

1235
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,000
Speaker 2: knew that making a promise to, you know, derace the

1236
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: race based system, you were going to run into the

1237
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: sort of problems they're running into, and you've got technically

1238
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Speaker 2: an out. Anyway, back to the fast trak business, here's

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Speaker 2: my concern. I'm all for fast track, and he's one

1240
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 2: hundred percent right when he sends things like we got

1241
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Speaker 2: to get this country moving, we've got to get things going,

1242
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 2: we've got to get people doing things, we've got to

1243
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 2: get money into the country. I agree with all of

1244
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: that one hundred percent. But TTR, which is transitasmin Resources,

1245
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 2: they want to extract fifty million tons of seabed every

1246
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 2: year for thirty years. And there's a debate within that

1247
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 2: with environmentalists and wind farming and all that sort of

1248
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 2: stuff as well. But ttr's owner, a company called Minuca Resources.

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Speaker 2: In an announcement to the Australian share market back on

1250
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Speaker 2: the seventh of October, about a week ago, it is

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Speaker 2: of national significance. We have identified a world class vanadium

1252
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: rich iron sand's resource that has the ability to contribute

1253
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: one billion dollars annually to exporting It's fantastic, brilliant, wahoo,

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00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: let's get that in front of the expert panel. Two

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00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 2: days after that, they're backtracked. They said that's we're not

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Speaker 2: saying that anymore.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 2: How many of these people, and this has been the

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Speaker 2: criticism for the government in fast tracking. On one hand,

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Speaker 2: most of us I suspect are on board to the

1261
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 2: extent that we do need to get things going, But

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00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 2: at what expense? How many conflicts of interest that's been

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Speaker 2: a story in an of itself, and how many of

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00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: these so called shortlisted companies may or may not end

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Speaker 2: up delivering what they said they would do. And does

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00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 2: this go to some degree back to the Provincial Growth

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00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 2: Fund of a previous government in a different time, but

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Speaker 2: an interestingly the same party with the same man called

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Speaker 2: Shane Jones, who had three billion dollars wandering up and

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Speaker 2: down the country making grandiose promises and new name me

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Speaker 2: half a dozen things that have turned the economy around

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Speaker 2: in this country. Out of that three billion dollars, how

1273
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 2: many Mariah got painted versus genuine projects that were undertaken

1274
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: and have transformed the New Zealand economy. And what they

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00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:41,080
Speaker 2: don't want reputationally speaking is the same problem that the

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Speaker 2: last government had a lot of big announcements, a lot

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Speaker 2: of money thrown all over the place, a lot of

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Speaker 2: big promises and not many of them actually come to pass.

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Speaker 2: That goes to credibility. As my point, Will Buxton drive

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Speaker 2: to survive after the news which is next the reviews,

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Speaker 2: talk Zbig.

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Speaker 1: Big News, bold opinions, the mic Hosking, Breakfast with the

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Speaker 1: range Rover, the la designed to intrigue and use togs.

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Speaker 15: He'd be reluctantly crouched at the starting line, engines pumping

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Speaker 15: and thumping in time the green light flashes, the flags

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Speaker 15: go up, churning and burning.

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Speaker 18: They yearn for the cup.

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Speaker 2: Seven past eight if one is back this weekend in

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Speaker 2: Austin taking on a new meaning for us, of course,

1290
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Speaker 2: with the arrival of Liam Lawson in a full time

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Speaker 2: seat for Bacob will Buxton as part of the F

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Speaker 2: one circuit. Of course, you will have seen him on

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Speaker 2: Drive to Survive. He's got a new book out called

1294
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 2: Grand Prix in Illustrated History of Formula One, which has

1295
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: no shortage of MW zealand content. Of course, Will Buxton

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Speaker 2: will us morning.

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Speaker 13: Thank good morning to you too now.

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Speaker 2: Having watched you. First of all, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: obsess about Liam Lawson, but obviously from this particular side

1300
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 2: of the world we are at the moment. What's yours

1301
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:53,520
Speaker 2: as an international? What's your impression? What's the Paddix impression

1302
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 2: of Liam and his possibilities?

1303
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 13: I love him, I really love him.

1304
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 14: I have been such a fan of for such a

1305
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 14: long time, all the way through junior Formula DTM, what

1306
01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:05,840
Speaker 14: he did when he made those couple of races in

1307
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 14: Formula one last season. He has impressed me in everything

1308
01:01:08,600 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 14: He's ever driven, everything I've ever seen of him. I

1309
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 14: thought it was absolutely criminal he was left on the

1310
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 14: sidelines this year. I just couldn't imagine a twenty twenty

1311
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 14: four Formula One season without him in it.

1312
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 13: And yet we more.

1313
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 14: Importantly, he has been forced to endure that. But I'm

1314
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 14: so glad for him and for us as fans of

1315
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 14: the sport that we get to see him in these

1316
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 14: final six races because I truly think he's and I'm

1317
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,240
Speaker 14: not just saying this because I'm broadcasting with you guys

1318
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 14: in New Zealand. I truly think he's an exceptional talent.

1319
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: Good because the pressure's on him to so he's got

1320
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,840
Speaker 2: the six races plus the three sprints of course, so

1321
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 2: the pressure is on him for next year. When you

1322
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,439
Speaker 2: look at what's happened this season so far, with people

1323
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,520
Speaker 2: like color Pinto into nearly next year, all of those

1324
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:52,160
Speaker 2: we seem to be into a there's a whole new

1325
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:53,680
Speaker 2: generation coming phase.

1326
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 14: Yeah, I love that, and I love it when we

1327
01:01:56,120 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 14: get those those moments, those movements of a generation nor shift.

1328
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 14: I mean, you see what the likes of I mean,

1329
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 14: we have it already with Max Verstappen and past three

1330
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 14: and that younger generation like Charles and Carlos, but this

1331
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 14: is like another new generation entirely, and even younger breed,

1332
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 14: you know, five, six, seven years younger than than those guys.

1333
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 14: It's it's always exciting to see the new guys coming through.

1334
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 14: And I really hope that Liam can put his stamp

1335
01:02:23,240 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 14: on these six races and assure himself a seat, maybe

1336
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 14: not even just with with the car R B whatever

1337
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 14: you want to call them, but you know that seat

1338
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 14: was an audition for Daniel to find his way back

1339
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:36,040
Speaker 14: to the top team. So the fact that Liam is

1340
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 14: replacing Daniel means that this isn't just an audition for

1341
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 14: the Batam. This is an audition for the A team,

1342
01:02:41,960 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 14: and I really hope he shines.

1343
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,880
Speaker 2: What's your sense and we're in a guess work here already,

1344
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 2: what's your sense of Pariz for the rest of the season.

1345
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 2: Does he stay for the season, If he does he

1346
01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: stay beyond the season, and if he then leaves in

1347
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: some way, shape or form, that's Liam's opportunity in the

1348
01:02:57,080 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 2: big seat.

1349
01:02:57,760 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 14: I think a lot of this has to do with

1350
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:04,560
Speaker 14: how Liam performed. You know, if Liam performs admirably but

1351
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 14: not exceptionally, but you know to a degree that makes

1352
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 14: him think, hey, there's you know, there's something here, then

1353
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 14: he'll probably get the VCARB seat for next year. If

1354
01:03:14,080 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 14: he outdoes all expectations, then there's every chance they slide

1355
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,680
Speaker 14: him in at Red Bull next year and they promote

1356
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 14: Isaac Hadgchaff from Formula two into that VCARB seat for

1357
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:25,600
Speaker 14: next year. So you know, this really is an audition

1358
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 14: that could have tremendous ramifications, you know, not just for

1359
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 14: his future.

1360
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,600
Speaker 13: But for a number of seats in the paddock.

1361
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Let's talk about you for a moment. Well, most people

1362
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: in this country will have seen you for the first

1363
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,160
Speaker 2: time in Drive to Survive. When Drive to Survive came along,

1364
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:43,680
Speaker 2: what hand on? How what did you think of it?

1365
01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 2: Did you think this is the program that is going

1366
01:03:45,840 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 2: to transform Formula one.

1367
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 13: I had no idea what to expect.

1368
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 14: I don't think any of us did in that first season,

1369
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 14: because nobody had ever done anything like that in Formula

1370
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 14: one or attempted to do something so wide reaching, and

1371
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 14: so we'll just just went along.

1372
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Speaker 13: I wasn't even expecting to be in it. I was

1373
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 13: expecting to be the interviewer, not the interviewee.

1374
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 14: And so when they brought me in and started firing

1375
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 14: questions at me, I really didn't know where it was

1376
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 14: going to go. I didn't how much. I didn't know

1377
01:04:12,840 --> 01:04:14,800
Speaker 14: how much of what I said was going to be used.

1378
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 14: And it was only really when it hit the screens

1379
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 14: for everybody that first season that I saw it and

1380
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 14: I understood what it was and suddenly understood what it

1381
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:28,080
Speaker 14: could be. And I think brutally so did the teams,

1382
01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 14: because if you look back to that first season, Ferrari

1383
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,280
Speaker 14: and Mercedes wanted nothing to do with it, and having

1384
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 14: seen that first season, they suddenly turned around and said, yes,

1385
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 14: we will make our teams, and we will make our drivers,

1386
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 14: we will make everybody open to you because they saw

1387
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 14: what this could be and what it was going to do.

1388
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 14: And what it's done is completely change the paradigm the

1389
01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:49,440
Speaker 14: understanding that we have of what a sports documentary can be.

1390
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,840
Speaker 14: Because after that first season, people stopped saying, we need

1391
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 14: to make a sports documentary the buzzword became.

1392
01:04:54,200 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 13: We need a drive to survive, and that's what it's been.

1393
01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 14: Throughout sport ever since then.

1394
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 13: It's completely the game.

1395
01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:04,480
Speaker 2: You signed to confidentiality as to what they're filming right

1396
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 2: now that will turn up in February March of next year.

1397
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 13: You don't know how many of us in about it.

1398
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 13: We were.

1399
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:12,200
Speaker 7: No.

1400
01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 13: You know, we have it on our past that you

1401
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 13: know we're there. We can be filmed by anybody, you know.

1402
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 14: But I will say that we have started looking to

1403
01:05:21,600 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 14: the sky more when we talk to people about things

1404
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:26,640
Speaker 14: and secret things in the paddock, just to see if

1405
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 14: there's a boom mic hanging.

1406
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 13: Over your head.

1407
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 2: Fantastic this we also about you because I didn't know

1408
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 2: about you. I watched you, but I didn't know about you,

1409
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: and so I think he must come from racing, given

1410
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 2: your passion and knowledge.

1411
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 5: But you don't.

1412
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,000
Speaker 2: You were correct me if I'm wrong, But you're you

1413
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: were singing an a choir or studying architecture or law

1414
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 2: or something like that. Next thing you know you're if one.

1415
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 14: Yeah, when I was very young, I was a chorister,

1416
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 14: very young in Sweden, Angelic. I always wanted to be

1417
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,479
Speaker 14: a journalist, a Formula one journalist was all I wanted

1418
01:05:56,520 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 14: to be. From from the age of thirteen, I knew

1419
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 14: exactly what I wanted to do with my life. I

1420
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 14: studied politics at university because back in those days, media

1421
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,919
Speaker 14: studies degrees weren't really seen as very serious. I'm looking

1422
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 14: back twenty five thirty years ago, so in politics to

1423
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 14: teach me to research, to form a cohesive argument, you.

1424
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 13: Know, really really sort of discover my voice.

1425
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 14: And I wrote my thesis on the politics of Formula one,

1426
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 14: which I sent to the guys at F one magazine

1427
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 14: and they liked it, and they said, you want a

1428
01:06:24,120 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 14: week's work experience. I went and I never left until

1429
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 14: the magazine closed down. And that was where I got

1430
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,280
Speaker 14: my break. That was where I got my start back

1431
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:34,560
Speaker 14: in two thousand and two. And I've done any number

1432
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 14: of jobs in the sport to try and keep my

1433
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 14: head above water, keep my foot in that door, and

1434
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,440
Speaker 14: luckily fell into television completely by mistake. And it's been

1435
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 14: a wonderful twenty yeah, twenty nearly twenty five years in

1436
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 14: Formula one.

1437
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 13: I've loved every second of it.

1438
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 2: Non surprise, Hey listen, hold on, we'll come back in

1439
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 2: a moment. Will Buxton, the book has grown pretty more

1440
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:52,960
Speaker 2: in a moment thirteen past.

1441
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio, Power

1442
01:06:58,000 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 1: My News Talk.

1443
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: Zippy Just Talk to Me sixteen passed eight. The book

1444
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 2: has grown prix. Will Buxton is with us from Britain

1445
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 2: on his way to Austin and Texas this weekend for

1446
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: the If one now listen, Will it does remind us

1447
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: of this book, I suppose for those who came to

1448
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:12,479
Speaker 2: Formula one, you know, lateish as a result of drive

1449
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: to survive all the names in there, I mean, how

1450
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: many drivers there have been, how many stories, how many phases,

1451
01:07:17,360 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: how many eras.

1452
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:18,960
Speaker 14: It really is.

1453
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,480
Speaker 2: Historically speaking of fantastic story, isn't it it is?

1454
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 14: And it's you know, it's a seventy five year story.

1455
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,479
Speaker 14: It's seventy fifth anniversary of the beginning of the sport

1456
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:30,480
Speaker 14: next year, and you know, so many folks have come

1457
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 14: to Formula one through drive that survived as a statistic

1458
01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 14: that the boss of Formula one sort of announced last

1459
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,120
Speaker 14: year through the research they've done, which is that one

1460
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 14: in three viewers globally the Formula one have been watching

1461
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 14: for less than five years. That's half a billion people

1462
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,479
Speaker 14: at one in three and so if you've been watching

1463
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,920
Speaker 14: for less than five years, you never saw Michael Schumacher

1464
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,360
Speaker 14: rips let alone the likes an Air and Center and

1465
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 14: Alan Prost or even further back, your Jim Clark's or

1466
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:01,320
Speaker 14: your Jackie Stewarts or Fangia. And yet we refer to

1467
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 14: these drivers all the time in order to give context

1468
01:08:04,440 --> 01:08:06,640
Speaker 14: to what the greats of today are achieving and the

1469
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 14: teams of today are achieving. And I wanted to open

1470
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 14: it up and describe and explain the sport to new

1471
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 14: fans in a way that wasn't too scary, because f

1472
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 14: one can get like that, it can get very intense

1473
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 14: and very detailed driven, and I wanted to just do

1474
01:08:20,640 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 14: something that was quite a general introduction that said, look,

1475
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,400
Speaker 14: you might be a new fan, you might have only

1476
01:08:25,400 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 14: been watching a couple of years, but I recognize that

1477
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:29,280
Speaker 14: we all have a first race, we all have a

1478
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 14: day where we know nothing about the sport.

1479
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 13: So come with me.

1480
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 14: Let me take you on a journey back to the start,

1481
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 14: and introduce you to these great teams, these great drivers,

1482
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 14: everything that the sport has been and has gone through

1483
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 14: to get to where we are today with this incredible

1484
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 14: vibrant championship season that we're having.

1485
01:08:47,360 --> 01:08:51,639
Speaker 2: For the credibility of the book and being from New Zealand,

1486
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: the first place and name I went to was, of

1487
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,480
Speaker 2: course Bruce McLaren.

1488
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 13: Yeah, I thought you would have gone for Denny.

1489
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,320
Speaker 2: Both both are in there. But but but, but you

1490
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 2: cannot mention if One without those two names.

1491
01:09:05,800 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 14: No, you can't. And you know, I've tried to tell

1492
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 14: the story of the sport through the world champions of

1493
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 14: each decade and the great teams of each decade. But

1494
01:09:15,000 --> 01:09:17,839
Speaker 14: I wanted to make space for drivers who weren't champions

1495
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 14: that also had an impact on the sport. And Bruce,

1496
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,639
Speaker 14: of course you cannot. You cannot talk about the story

1497
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:29,480
Speaker 14: of the sport without talking about Bruce McLaren. The incredible

1498
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 14: impact that he's had, that his team continues to have

1499
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,559
Speaker 14: in the sport. It is, it is something incredibly rare.

1500
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 14: It is something I think really beautiful. And seeing what

1501
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:44,200
Speaker 14: McLaren are doing this year is his testament to him,

1502
01:09:44,320 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 14: to his.

1503
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 13: His legacy.

1504
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:49,560
Speaker 14: You know, everything that he that he that he represented

1505
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:53,360
Speaker 14: as he said, you know, success is not is not

1506
01:09:53,479 --> 01:09:54,519
Speaker 14: gone out in years alone.

1507
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: Do you like if One as much as you always have?

1508
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:00,800
Speaker 2: And the reason I asked that if if I look

1509
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: at Frank Williams and the Frank Williams era and those

1510
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,400
Speaker 2: guys who just sort of greased up in a shed

1511
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,599
Speaker 2: and put a car together and it crashed, it blew up,

1512
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 2: versus what you deal with now, which is corporate, It's

1513
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:16,200
Speaker 2: a different world, isn't it.

1514
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 13: It is a different world. But the skill set, the dedication, the.

1515
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 14: Incredible respect that I have for the drivers in what

1516
01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 14: they do in this incredible thing that all of us

1517
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 14: in our dreams which we could be able to do,

1518
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 14: to dance with a car like that, to take it

1519
01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,680
Speaker 14: to the absolute edge of indiesion and hold it there.

1520
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:48,360
Speaker 14: The great designers, the great mechanics, the great engineers. You know,

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01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 14: this is a sport that is filled with incredible minds

1522
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 14: and incredibly talented people. That hasn't changed from nineteen fifty

1523
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,280
Speaker 14: three to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. It's

1524
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 14: the same mixture of man and machine and and everybody

1525
01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 14: pushing to the to the absolute limit.

1526
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,559
Speaker 13: So yeah, you know, look, it's not it's.

1527
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:08,680
Speaker 14: Not grease monkeys working in garages anymore, or putting the

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01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 14: cars together in a field.

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01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 13: It is it's big bucks and it is a big.

1530
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,559
Speaker 14: Industry, and and you know, some people might say that's

1531
01:11:16,600 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 14: a bit a bit cold compared to how it was

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Speaker 14: in the old days, But those same skills make the

1533
01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 14: difference today just as they just as they always have,

1534
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 14: and seeing a great driver at the limit that is

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01:11:29,000 --> 01:11:30,559
Speaker 14: as true to day as it was back then.

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Speaker 2: Right, Oh, pressure time for you your call? Who wins

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01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 2: the constructors? Who wins the drivers?

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Speaker 14: McLaren win the constructors, and at the current rate, I

1539
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 14: think Ferrari might.

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:40,799
Speaker 13: Even finish second.

1541
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 14: And for the drivers, I think it's going to be

1542
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 14: nip and tuck. I've been saying for a long time.

1543
01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:47,600
Speaker 14: I think Lendo has the opportunity to take it. But

1544
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,600
Speaker 14: I honestly think McLaren woke up far too late and

1545
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 14: later than most of their rivals to the fact that

1546
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 14: they had the fastest car and the sport.

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Speaker 13: The difficulty that they have.

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Speaker 14: Is that Oscar Piastre is coming on very fast, and

1549
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,880
Speaker 14: in not wanting to that Oscar and his ascent to

1550
01:12:01,960 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 14: the top, they may just have inadvertently gifted the crowd

1551
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 14: back to Maxistaff and Islando loses by less than ten points,

1552
01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 14: as I think will be incredibly likely if he does

1553
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:14,679
Speaker 14: lose this championship, it could come down to single figures.

1554
01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:17,759
Speaker 13: McLaren will kick themselves. How much will.

1555
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:21,360
Speaker 14: Lando pick McLaren if if that, if that comes to pass.

1556
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,040
Speaker 14: But I think we've got an amazing six races.

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Speaker 13: Listen.

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Speaker 14: Half of these six remaining races are sprint racist and

1559
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 14: there's more points available in those rounds.

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Speaker 13: It's doable.

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01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 14: It's never been done before. But that's not to mean

1562
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 14: it can't happen. And I am an eternal optimist that

1563
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 14: we've got a championship fight. And if it goes down

1564
01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,320
Speaker 14: to Abu Dab, I say, bring it on. It's going

1565
01:12:38,360 --> 01:12:39,000
Speaker 14: to be great fun.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be fantastic. Well, congratulations on the book.

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Speaker 2: We wish you all the very bits with that, and

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Speaker 2: we'll get you on again soon before the end of

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Speaker 2: the season, hopefully so we can wax lyrical about Liam's success.

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Speaker 14: I would love nothing more than to talk about Liam

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:51,879
Speaker 14: Lawson's success.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll hold you that. Will Buxton. This morning,

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Speaker 2: My husband Will Will's book for the birthday, absolutely loves it.

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Speaker 2: That's good, well done, Debby. I'm glad he's enjoying it.

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Speaker 2: I've got two polls for you. One gives you an insight.

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Speaker 2: One's a local poll, but it gives you a real

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: insight into why we need to be deeply suspicious of

1602
01:14:15,160 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 2: all poles. And I'll come to that in a couple

1603
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: of moments. Then we've got fresh polling out of real

1604
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 2: clear politics this morning. The seven swing states Arizona, Georgia,

1605
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:28,559
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, and Wisconsin. One has got

1606
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,720
Speaker 2: one candidate has got one of the seven states in

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 2: terms of a lead. The other candidate has seven six

1608
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 2: of the seven states. But it means nothing, and in

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01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,160
Speaker 2: that is the fascination of this particular race, So cruntry

1610
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 2: through the numbers. Then we'll go to the UK, where

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01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: Kia has been desperately trying out a night in front

1612
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 2: of an investment conference to convince the wider world that

1613
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 2: the upcoming budget is the answer to all problems and

1614
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 2: that he's got the economy well and truly under control.

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Speaker 1: Rod is next, your trusted source, The News and fused

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Speaker 1: the Mic Hosking breakfast with Bailey's real estate, your local

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Speaker 1: experts across residential, commercial, and rural news.

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Speaker 2: Togs Head be right. So the real clear politics average.

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01:15:12,280 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 2: This is the US race. Seven key states, Arizona, Georgia,

1620
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:21,480
Speaker 2: North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan, Wisconsin. Harris is up in Wisconsin,

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01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: she has forty eight point three. Trump has forty eight. So,

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01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 2: in other words, it's so far within the margin of

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01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,760
Speaker 2: era it counts for nothing. Either of them could be

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01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: winning or it could be a dead heat. Michigan. All

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01:15:34,479 --> 01:15:37,760
Speaker 2: these following states, Trump's up, and Michigan he's up forty

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 2: eight point five to forty seven point six. Once again,

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01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:43,560
Speaker 2: so within the margin of era. It's embarrassing. Nevada you

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01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 2: want close. Trump forty eight point two, Harris forty eight.

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01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 2: Pennsylvania you want even closer. Trump forty eight point two,

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01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: Harris forty eight point one. North Carolina forty eight points seven,

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01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 2: forty eight point two, Georgia forty eight point three, forty

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 2: seven point eight, Arizona forty eight point four to forty

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01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,840
Speaker 2: seven point four. It's forty seven forty eight. It's within

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01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 2: a point. It's a tenth of a point. It's two

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01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 2: tenths of a point. Pick a winner, you can't. Twenty

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Speaker 2: two to.

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Speaker 17: Nine International correspondence with Insitneye Insurance, Peace of Mind for

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Speaker 17: New Zealand Business and.

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Speaker 2: Britt We go roll this morning, Mane.

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Speaker 11: How are you, good morning? How are you, mabe?

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01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,120
Speaker 2: I'm very well. Indeed I'm reading a bit about the

1642
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 2: British economy at the moment, and mortgage rates allegedly are

1643
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 2: going to start to go up again. A lot of

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01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,080
Speaker 2: people have paused hiring because they want some clarity around

1645
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:38,320
Speaker 2: the budget, how much weight tension and angst is around

1646
01:16:38,360 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 2: the budget.

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Speaker 11: An awful lot, largely over largely amongst the business community,

1648
01:16:46,920 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 11: about for example, how much employers will be asked to

1649
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 11: stump up in additional costs for National insurance. But also

1650
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,360
Speaker 11: a whole bunch of stuff which has gone before now,

1651
01:16:59,400 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 11: which is, you know, restricting the way in which companies

1652
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:08,160
Speaker 11: can deal with people with the staff that they take on.

1653
01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 11: And this was the kind of focus of this international

1654
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:20,280
Speaker 11: Investment a forum which Kiers starmalaud today with all the verve,

1655
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:26,200
Speaker 11: the kind of a robot working on batteries which are

1656
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 11: not the current level of batteries. I think the best way.

1657
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:35,400
Speaker 11: But uh, and so many of these companies. There are

1658
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:39,280
Speaker 11: two things he's offering. One one, along with David Lammy,

1659
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 11: he is suggesting that we can start renegotiating a few

1660
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 11: of those Brexit deals which were so difficult for overseas

1661
01:17:48,120 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 11: investors to deal with, but which would if they were renegotiated,

1662
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,040
Speaker 11: cause an outrage in this country as being you know,

1663
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:01,200
Speaker 11: an application of what was a democratic vote. And the

1664
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 11: second thing which you have to deal with was that

1665
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 11: you are asking us to invest in your country when

1666
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 11: you have just made it absolutely clear that you're going

1667
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:18,879
Speaker 11: to make more bureaucratic, more difficult the job of companies

1668
01:18:18,960 --> 01:18:22,360
Speaker 11: to take on people. So that is a real problem.

1669
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 11: He's going to kind of try to square that circle.

1670
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 11: And whilst some of those ideas about you know, what

1671
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:35,679
Speaker 11: you do with new workers and what rights they should

1672
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:39,360
Speaker 11: have and so on seem to be reasonable enough, they've

1673
01:18:39,439 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 11: nonetheless outraged the business community community over here, and that

1674
01:18:44,280 --> 01:18:47,439
Speaker 11: has made its way to business communities further afield as well.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:49,400
Speaker 2: See, I can't work this out. On one hand, he

1677
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:51,360
Speaker 2: wants money to flow into the country and he's going

1678
01:18:51,439 --> 01:18:53,080
Speaker 2: to you know, get the country moving and all that

1679
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:54,879
Speaker 2: sort of stuff, and then on the weekend he announces

1680
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,000
Speaker 2: new workers. Right, So I'm reading out on the program

1681
01:18:57,120 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 2: yesterday that the train workers, who I didn't realize, work

1682
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 2: standard four day week, but if they got for bid

1683
01:19:02,160 --> 01:19:04,320
Speaker 2: work a five day week. There's another three hundred quid

1684
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: in that that's on the time and a half on

1685
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 2: Saturday they turn up on the Saturday, plus the nine

1686
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: and a half percent pay rise they got. You can

1687
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: hear it both ways.

1688
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 11: You can't have it both ways, and I don't think

1689
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 11: there's any any possibility of the labor government understanding this

1690
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,680
Speaker 11: at the moment, because they are trying to have it

1691
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:26,400
Speaker 11: both ways, and sooner or later push will come to

1692
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:30,759
Speaker 11: shave and they will be shown up for either caving

1693
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:35,280
Speaker 11: into the unions their client groups on whatever issue comes

1694
01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 11: before them. So, for example, the young doctors, or rather

1695
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 11: the doctors as we should call them properly, and also

1696
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:46,080
Speaker 11: the train workers. You know, these people have got Those

1697
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:48,600
Speaker 11: people have soaked up the money which would otherwise have

1698
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 11: gone to the pensioners for their winter fuel announcements. It

1699
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 11: really is as simple as that. And you cannot then

1700
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:00,520
Speaker 11: convince industry to invest in a country which is determined

1701
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 11: to go down the French route of empowering employees to

1702
01:20:04,479 --> 01:20:09,720
Speaker 11: a degree which you might argue is beyond the necessary.

1703
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:12,679
Speaker 11: You know that that's the problem.

1704
01:20:13,360 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 2: Let's take me down memory lane. I've completely forgotten about

1705
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:20,160
Speaker 2: this Scruple Salisbury, Nivochok and the inquiry where are we at?

1706
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:27,000
Speaker 11: Where we're at is that a woman who was accidentally

1707
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 11: poisoned by the Russians, a woman called Dawn Sturgis. The

1708
01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 11: Russians assassinated or tried to assassinate both Skurple and his daughter.

1709
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 11: A Skuple was a former Russian secret services guy, and

1710
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,320
Speaker 11: they've tried to do so with koby shock is, a

1711
01:20:45,800 --> 01:20:51,200
Speaker 11: which is a nerve gas, though not by the looks

1712
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:55,760
Speaker 11: of things, a hugely effective nerve gas. They've failed with

1713
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:00,680
Speaker 11: both the Scirples, but one of the one of the

1714
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 11: bottles which carried this stuff was thrown in a skip.

1715
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,519
Speaker 11: Dawn Sturgis's boyfriend picked it up, gave it to Dawn

1716
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 11: Sturgis as a gift, a gift which later proved to

1717
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:17,519
Speaker 11: be not entirely felicitous, and it killed her because it

1718
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 11: had not a choco in it rather than now number five.

1719
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:24,479
Speaker 11: It looked like a perfume. It looked like a perfume character.

1720
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,599
Speaker 11: The problem is, the real problem is that we were

1721
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:36,080
Speaker 11: in a state of denial when all this happened. We

1722
01:21:36,720 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 11: refused to believe that Putin would be so outrageous as

1723
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:47,360
Speaker 11: to attempt at an attack on the life of someone

1724
01:21:47,439 --> 01:21:52,320
Speaker 11: who was living privately in Great Britain. And yet that

1725
01:21:52,520 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 11: was obviously the case, just as it was was the

1726
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:59,839
Speaker 11: case of Livinenko, who was also killed by the Russians.

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Speaker 11: And so this has all opened up a new can

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Speaker 11: of worms. And one of the things which people will

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Speaker 11: be talking about is a degree to which the British

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Speaker 11: government did not sufficiently support Scruple during this time and

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Speaker 11: allowed him to be at the mercy of the Russian spies.

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Speaker 11: This was all only six years ago and it's a real,

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Speaker 11: real issue, and it will ratching up the tension again

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Speaker 11: between London and Moscow.

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Speaker 2: Exactly just quickly. Rob Alex Salmon sixty nine, far too young,

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Speaker 2: giving a speech he keels Ivories did, Yeah, where does he?

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Speaker 2: Certainly animals of Scottish political history.

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Speaker 11: Huge, absolutely huge, and way way more than the protege

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Speaker 11: who later turned on him, Nicholas Sturgeon. He is the

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01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:57,320
Speaker 11: man who kind of coalesced around him this idea that

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Speaker 11: you could have an independent Scotland which would fight his

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01:23:01,000 --> 01:23:02,760
Speaker 11: own way, and there's no doubt that he would be

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01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 11: able to do that, and that which was actually actively

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01:23:07,160 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 11: harmed by an association with Westminster. He later formed his

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01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:16,599
Speaker 11: own party ALBA. While he has been kind of rather

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01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 11: briskly pushed out of the party after some Jerry Mander

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01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 11: charges of impropriety, he was a good man in many

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01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:30,160
Speaker 11: many ways, a cunning and shrewd political operator and I

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01:23:30,280 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 11: think the Scottish National movement will miss him.

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Speaker 2: Greatly well, so Mike will ketch up in a couple

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01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:36,760
Speaker 2: of dies. Appreciate it right, A little out of the

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Speaker 2: UK eight forty five.

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Speaker 1: Already the Mic Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio,

1754
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:46,160
Speaker 1: powered by News Talks at be Mike.

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Speaker 2: As we know, the poll's under count Trump every time.

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01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,840
Speaker 2: How about Carmeler's book Plagiarism Story. Let me come back

1757
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,400
Speaker 2: to the polling in America and just a mind. It's

1758
01:23:53,400 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: a very good piece read the other day, but the

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01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: other poller told you about this morning. This is a

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01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:58,720
Speaker 2: locally one and this is why I likely produced one.

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01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 2: This is why you've got to be seriously suspicious of

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01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:06,920
Speaker 2: what we're dealing with. This one was done by who

1763
01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 2: was it was a courier, I think it was anyway,

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01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:15,839
Speaker 2: Forty eight percent of US favor publicly owned rail enabled

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01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 2: fairies forty eight percent of US, so that's big support

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01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 2: for the state to own the rail slash ferry company

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01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:24,920
Speaker 2: and for those fairies, those new fairies, to be rail enabled.

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01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:26,719
Speaker 2: Now why would they do a poll on this, because

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01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,759
Speaker 2: of course the government hasn't made up their mind allegedly

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01:24:29,120 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 2: as to what they're going to do. Every indication appears

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: to be that they don't want to be rail enabled

1772
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 2: because they've become more expensive. New Zealand First want them

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01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:39,000
Speaker 2: rail enabled because they like rail, but National don't because

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01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 2: they don't have any money. Ten percent of US supported

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01:24:43,080 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 2: publicly owned fairies that were not rail enabled, So in

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01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:47,720
Speaker 2: other words, National's got ten percent of US behind them.

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01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,800
Speaker 2: New Zealand First has got forty eight percent behind us.

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01:24:49,800 --> 01:24:53,960
Speaker 2: Fifteen percent supported partially privatized ferries. So it's getting complicated

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01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:57,040
Speaker 2: that are not rail enabled. And twenty six percent of

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01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,680
Speaker 2: those polled weren't sure. And I can't blame you to

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01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 2: be perfectly frank ah it included, by the way in

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01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 2: the poll an explanation of the extra cost of replacement

1783
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:11,640
Speaker 2: fairies were they to be rail enabled. Now how they

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01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 2: came to that particular explanation I don't know, but they

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01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 2: claimed the efficiency gains of being rail enabled is thought

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01:25:17,400 --> 01:25:19,320
Speaker 2: to add about ten to twenty percent to the overall

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01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,600
Speaker 2: cost of the Firio's infrastructure. Now, there are plenty of

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01:25:21,640 --> 01:25:23,360
Speaker 2: people who would disagree with that, because, of course the

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01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 2: whole bill blew out to three point four billion from

1790
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 2: a handful of hundreds of millions, and most of that

1791
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 2: was about building new infrastructure on the land. Anyway, who

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01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 2: put this pole down? The Maritime Union of New Zealand,

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:38,080
Speaker 2: I still believe it. Ten to nine.

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01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:44,080
Speaker 1: The Mike costing Breakfast with Bailey's real Estate newstalg ZD.

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01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 2: It is seven away from nine from our Can you

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01:25:46,280 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 2: believe at file Cliff Richard's coming back to the country

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01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 2: small and we can't stop me now Tour New He's

1798
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:07,360
Speaker 2: here November. Don't get too excited, Not next month, November

1799
01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 2: next year.

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Speaker 12: Now.

1801
01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,920
Speaker 2: Tickets are going to go on sale this Friday, so

1802
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,880
Speaker 2: you can get excited about that runth So if you

1803
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 2: buy a ticket on the eighteenth of October this Friday,

1804
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 2: and you've only got to wait a year and a

1805
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 2: month until you arrive it. Which is good that tickets

1806
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:23,120
Speaker 2: are electronically these days, because almost certainly if you bought

1807
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 2: a ticket the old way and had to wait a

1808
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 2: one year in one.

1809
01:26:25,320 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 10: Month, you go, we want those tickets.

1810
01:26:27,320 --> 01:26:29,519
Speaker 2: I don't I put them anyway. You go to news

1811
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,519
Speaker 2: Talk zeb dot head dot in zed Ford slash watts

1812
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,639
Speaker 2: on for details, or preferably go to the Mike Hosking

1813
01:26:34,680 --> 01:26:38,720
Speaker 2: Breakfast Facebook page, because I've already secured some tickets from

1814
01:26:38,840 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 2: Sir Clifford, and you can win those tickets and we

1815
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 2: will draw the winner on Thursday, so if you'd like

1816
01:26:45,200 --> 01:26:47,519
Speaker 2: to know, so, he's coming in November of next year, fourteenth,

1817
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 2: fifteenth in Auckland, seventeenth in Wellington and the nineteenth in

1818
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:56,040
Speaker 2: christ Jurich. It has been twelve years since we've seen

1819
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:58,200
Speaker 2: him in this particular part of the world, so we're

1820
01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,320
Speaker 2: looking forward to him coming back. Cliff Richard, you can't

1821
01:27:01,400 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 2: stop me now, which I'll do it of that line

1822
01:27:05,240 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 2: the Mike Hosking Breakfast you can't stop me now, but anyway,

1823
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:10,760
Speaker 2: Cliff's got it. So all the details on the Mike

1824
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:14,200
Speaker 2: Hosking Breakfast Facebook page and hopefully you're a winner. And

1825
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,360
Speaker 2: if you're not, go buy some tickets five minutes away.

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01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 1: From nine trending now with Chemist ware House great savings

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Speaker 1: every day.

1828
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,759
Speaker 2: Now, I'm just giving you the old Kamala Harris update

1829
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:28,400
Speaker 2: on the polls. She's also out there on the socials

1830
01:27:28,439 --> 01:27:31,439
Speaker 2: this morning because they put an ad together publisher. It's

1831
01:27:31,479 --> 01:27:35,640
Speaker 2: called the Man Enough Ad and it features real American

1832
01:27:35,960 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 2: manly men supporting Harris. It was produced by the Creatives

1833
01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,400
Speaker 2: for Harris Group. There's a Creatives for Harris Group video

1834
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 2: not authorized by Harris or indeed her committee, some suggesting

1835
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: it might well be the cringiest political ad in the

1836
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,000
Speaker 2: history of cringy political ads.

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Speaker 13: I'm a man, I'm a man, I'm a man man,

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01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 13: and I'm man enough.

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01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,839
Speaker 10: I'm man enough to enjoy barrel proof bourbon meat.

1840
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 2: Men enough to cook my steak rare, man enough to

1841
01:28:04,520 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 2: deadlift five hundred and then break it out of my

1842
01:28:07,080 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 2: daughter's hair.

1843
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:09,560
Speaker 13: Do you think I'm afraid to rebuild a carburetor?

1844
01:28:09,760 --> 01:28:11,240
Speaker 10: How you carburetors for breakfast?

1845
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 5: I'm afraid of bears.

1846
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:13,600
Speaker 13: That's what beer hugs are for.

1847
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:14,880
Speaker 14: I'll tell you another thing.

1848
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 5: I sure I am not afraid of women.

1849
01:28:18,200 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 10: I'm not afraid of women.

1850
01:28:19,479 --> 01:28:20,439
Speaker 5: I'm not afraid of women.

1851
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:22,719
Speaker 12: Didn't want to control their bodies, I say.

1852
01:28:22,680 --> 01:28:23,080
Speaker 7: Go for it.

1853
01:28:23,240 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 11: They want to use IV, you have to start a family.

1854
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:26,280
Speaker 5: I'm not afraid of families.

1855
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 13: They want to be child ass cat ladies have all

1856
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 13: the cats you want.

1857
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,559
Speaker 14: Woman wants to be president, Well, I hope she has

1858
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,120
Speaker 14: the guts to look me right in the eye and

1859
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 14: accept my bull.

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01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 10: Throated endorsement, because I'm man enough to support.

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,559
Speaker 5: Women, and I'm man enough to help them win.

1862
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 2: Now, several problems, I mean pot from the factors crap uh,

1863
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 2: is that none of them are real American men, their

1864
01:28:49,280 --> 01:28:52,840
Speaker 2: real actors. So there, you guy. Mind you, she didn't

1865
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 2: endulse it so tightly his fault. Having stumbled upon yesterday

1866
01:28:56,240 --> 01:28:57,719
Speaker 2: and do look it up. Have you a bit boled

1867
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:59,479
Speaker 2: today and you got about three and a half minutes.

1868
01:29:00,200 --> 01:29:02,519
Speaker 2: I'm not a massive fan of Saturday Night Live, but

1869
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 2: I stumbled upon a clip they did over the weekend

1870
01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:09,040
Speaker 2: that featured a woman whose name I can't remember, playing

1871
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:11,200
Speaker 2: Karmala Harris. But she's a well known actress and you'll

1872
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 2: see her and you go a it's here. She actually

1873
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,799
Speaker 2: does quite a good impersonation. I thought quite a good impersonation.

1874
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:17,920
Speaker 2: But then they went onto the family Feud set, so

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01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:18,560
Speaker 2: it was Trump v.

1876
01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 10: Harris.

1877
01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 2: The guy does Trump's brilliant. The guy who does Biden

1878
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:29,000
Speaker 2: is exceptional. The guy who does Tim Walsh Wolves is exceptional.

1879
01:29:30,640 --> 01:29:33,839
Speaker 2: The two who were doing Don Junior and JD were useless,

1880
01:29:34,439 --> 01:29:39,200
Speaker 2: but the guy who was hosting Family Feud was unbelievably funny.

1881
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 2: The whole skit is as good a skit as you'll

1882
01:29:42,479 --> 01:29:45,360
Speaker 2: ever see in the world of Saturday Night live skits.

1883
01:29:45,400 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 2: There's my recommendation for the Day back tomorrow, as always,

1884
01:29:48,720 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 2: Happy Days.

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Speaker 1: For more from the Mic Asking Breakfast, listen live to

1886
01:29:54,280 --> 01:29:57,360
Speaker 1: news talks it'd be from six am weekdays, or follow

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