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Speaker 1: Heather Duke les see Allen eighteen past five. Now the

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Speaker 1: All Blacks have made a few changes to the side

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Speaker 1: ahead of the second Test against the spring Box which

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Speaker 1: is happening in Cape Town this weekend. Body Barrett and TJ.

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Speaker 1: Perinara have been benched. Sevu Reese and Cortez Ratama will

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Speaker 1: start and then Wallace Attititi will be starting in the

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Speaker 1: number six journey Jersey Elliot Smith is in Cape Town

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Speaker 1: for us. Hey Elliott, Hey, Heather Okay. Body Barrett's obviously

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Speaker 1: being brought in as a bomb squad a later, right.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent. Yeah, this is all about trying to

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Speaker 2: get that last twenty minutes right, which the All Blacks

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Speaker 2: simply didn't do last week at Alice Park. They looked

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Speaker 2: a little lost in last twenty minutes. So Boden Barrett

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Speaker 2: the Rollie started in or came off the bench rather

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Speaker 2: in the last two at the first two tests of

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Speaker 2: the year against England, goes back to the bench, Will

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Speaker 2: Jordan at fullback. TJ. Petinara the other decision so very

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Speaker 2: much about getting that experience in the last twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five minutes of the Test match to try and close

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Speaker 2: it out. This is what the spring Box have done

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Speaker 2: very very well. As you mentioned the head of the

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Speaker 2: Bomb Squad. This is the All Blacks in some part

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Speaker 2: trying to replicate it on Sunday morning time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And why has TJ being pinar TJ being bench

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Speaker 1: does that also a bomb squad mover or are we

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Speaker 1: not happy with his performance?

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Speaker 2: My understanding is that it's still a similar it's a

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Speaker 2: similar decision to Boden Barrett trying to get some experience

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Speaker 2: in the last twenty minutes. You look at the players

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Speaker 2: they brought on last week. Cortez Ratama, who's going to

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Speaker 2: start this week, was only in his fifth Test. So

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Speaker 2: the any experience in the last half hour or so

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Speaker 2: of the Test match, and it's becoming vitally clear. I

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Speaker 2: think in Test match rugby that the last thirty minutes

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Speaker 2: are just as important as the first sort of fifty

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Speaker 2: or so, and it's all about that experience. And TJ

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Speaker 2: Peinara as well. Remember was behind Aaron Smith for the

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Speaker 2: majority of his Test career. It's really only this year

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Speaker 2: that he's had a real run of start. So he

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Speaker 2: knows that bench roll really really well, and that's what

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Speaker 2: the All Blacks want to get out of him this

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Speaker 2: weekend in Cape Town.

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Speaker 1: What's the vibe that you're packing up. Are they feeling

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Speaker 1: confident that they can actually nail the spring box or

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Speaker 1: are they a bit rattled.

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Speaker 2: No, well, it's a lot of confidence that, hey, if

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Speaker 2: you get that last twenty minutes right, then they should

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Speaker 2: have won. Last week. They've accepted that they should have

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Speaker 2: won and should be you know with the you know

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Speaker 2: rid in that mix with the rugby championship, but they

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Speaker 2: blew that last twenty minutes. So the vibe very much

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Speaker 2: out of the team is if they can get that

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Speaker 2: last twenty minutes right, they trust their game plan for

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Speaker 2: the first hour and they can get the win this

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Speaker 2: weekend and some of those changes that we've talked about

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Speaker 2: very much around that, you just hope that some of

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Speaker 2: the changes that don't mean they fall away in the

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Speaker 2: first hour and the game's gone at the hour March.

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Speaker 2: So that's got to be intriguing come Sunday morning as well.

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Speaker 1: Elliott, thank you as always, look after yourself, Stay safe.

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