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Speaker 1: So the government's going to pull sentencing judges into line.

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Speaker 1: It's announced a suite of changes to sentencing laws. The

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Speaker 1: maximum discount on a sentence will be forty percent. There

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Speaker 1: will be a new aggravating factor for those who offend

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Speaker 1: against sole charge workers like dairy workers, and a judge

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Speaker 1: will be instructed to take into account the victim's interests

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Speaker 1: in the sentence as well. Paul Goldsmith is Justice Minister

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Speaker 1: with us.

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Speaker 2: Now, hey, Paul, hey, how are you going?

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Speaker 1: Very well? Thank you? Aren't judges just going todict the

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Speaker 1: system anyway by starting lower? They when they start applying

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Speaker 1: the discounts, So if they start lower, a forty percent

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Speaker 1: discount will get them where they want to go anyway.

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Speaker 2: Well, look, ultimately it's the role of Parliament to indicate

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Speaker 2: what the sentence law is and what the framework is

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Speaker 2: and what we've seen. No society can function if there

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Speaker 2: are not clear consequences for crime and people are taking

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Speaker 2: responsibility for their crimes. And the worry that we've had

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Speaker 2: is that those consequences have diminished over the last few

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Speaker 2: years as more and more discounts have been applied by judges.

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Speaker 2: So we're just coming back and saying well, actually, no,

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Speaker 2: we're going to restrict the ability for those discounts to

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Speaker 2: be applied to forty percent. And that seems very clear

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Speaker 2: signal from Parliament, which is a reflection of the very

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Speaker 2: widespread concerns in the community around violent crime. And so

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Speaker 2: that's the message you're going to send and I'm confident

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Speaker 2: that it will be registered.

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Speaker 1: So the forty percent discount is the maximum unless manifestly unjudged.

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Speaker 1: Aren't judge is just always going to use manifestly unjudged

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Speaker 1: to get out of it?

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think so, and there's a clear threshold

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Speaker 2: for that. But now the threehomplament, well that it is

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Speaker 2: manifestly unjust, but that there is a sort of a

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Speaker 2: core process and an understanding of what that means. And

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Speaker 2: it's not the standard up will he need it?

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Speaker 1: So manifestly unjust, manifestly unjust is not just a vibe.

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Speaker 1: There's actual definition of what.

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Speaker 2: It is, indeed, and so look for that it's manifestly unjust,

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Speaker 2: and I'm freaking out. It's not a vibe. But it

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Speaker 2: was in the context of the free strikes legislation, and

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Speaker 2: there's been quite a sort of case all that's developing

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Speaker 2: around there. But the point is, ultimately Parliament can decide

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Speaker 2: at the moment it has maximum sentences for particular crimes.

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Speaker 2: The Apartment could have minimum sentences or it could have

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Speaker 2: a mandatory sentence. We haven't gone that route. What we've

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Speaker 2: done is we've put some boundaries around the system, but

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Speaker 2: ultimately Parliament has options up at sleeve, but needs to

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Speaker 2: But you know, we want to work. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: committee between the executive and the judiciary. But we're sending

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Speaker 2: a very clear message right here, right now that we

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Speaker 2: want to have tougher sentences. Previous government had a message

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Speaker 2: we want to reduce a prison population. No matter what

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Speaker 2: our clear messages, we want to have tougher consequences for

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Speaker 2: crime because that's what the community wants and we need

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Speaker 2: to deal with what have been an increase in violent

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Speaker 2: crime over the last year.

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Speaker 1: Have you dropped the plan to do the cumulative sentences

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Speaker 1: for offenses that are committed on parole, biol or custody.

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Speaker 2: No, we haven't dropped it. What we're doing is we're

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Speaker 2: limiting concurrent sentencing and making it a provision that states

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Speaker 2: a cumulative sentences And yeah, it's confusing, but tumulatives where

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Speaker 2: if you have, you've been caught something doing well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: but your message is well, what we're doing is we're

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Speaker 2: saying that cumulative sentences will generally be appropriate for offending

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Speaker 2: one parole capacity. We haven't got rid of concurrent sentences entirely,

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Speaker 2: and so what we've agreed as a cabinet is to

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Speaker 2: strengthen up the law in the area so that the

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Speaker 2: expectation is that there will be communative cumulative sentences that

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Speaker 2: people are offending.

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Speaker 1: Okay, cool, where's it coming in.

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Speaker 2: Well, probably early next year it will be passed. We're

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Speaker 2: working on drafting the legislation right now, will be introduced

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Speaker 2: in the next few months, we briefly committee process and

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Speaker 2: then it will be read role early next year.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff. Hey, Paul, thank you very much.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate.

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Speaker 1: It's Paul Goldsmith, the Justice Minister.

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