1 00:00:00,680 --> 00:00:04,200 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty find you're 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:05,240 Speaker 1: one of a guide. 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 2: With us on the huddle. Gareth Hugh's director of the 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 2: Well Being Economy Alliance outsid Or obviously former Green MP, 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 2: and Jordan Williams of the Taxpayers Union. Hello lads't you do? Gareth? 6 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 2: You've got two teenagers? You have any passenger parents in 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: going on? 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've probably been guilty of it in the past, 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 3: if I'm honest. It's funny. Also, there's a bit of 10 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: a social thing that happens sometimes when I'm the main 11 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 3: parent listed on the school of the end or whatever, 12 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,319 Speaker 3: it's the school who still calls their mum rather than me. 13 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 3: So yeah, I think not like you here, that we've 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: put a lot of work into it, and I don't 15 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 3: think we call ourselves passenger pearance anymore. 16 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, what about you, Jordan? 17 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 4: I think it always changes, although my kids are still 18 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 4: quite young. But I'm. 19 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 2: What does that mean? 20 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: Well, sometimes children. 21 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 4: The good cop bad cop routine. I just told my 22 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:56,279 Speaker 4: two year old off at the table and my five 23 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 4: year old told me off for leaving the table early 24 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 4: to come and do this interview. So I mean, like 25 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 4: any relationship though there's there's some clothes. But as I've 26 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:07,480 Speaker 4: said on the show before, I picked Well, my other 27 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 4: half's a pediatric intensive care nurse, so there are some 28 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 4: matters where I am the passenger and I have. 29 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 2: To give you, Jordan, to be fair to you. Your 30 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 2: other half is on is actually not working right, it's 31 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 2: full time parenting. 32 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 4: Well, she works part time, but yeah, I mean we 33 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 4: like any partnership, you specialize and that's normal, and that 34 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 4: will change as as the kids get up, as the 35 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: kids get older, and you might want to go back 36 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 4: to work full time. 37 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 2: For example, Laura the German is shaking her head at 38 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 2: you right now. Why Why are you shaking your head 39 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: at him? 40 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 4: Laura, Laura, she's always telling me off. 41 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 2: She says, you're you're copping out. As a cop out, 42 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 2: she said. 43 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 4: If I picked my daddle, sometimes I have to defer 44 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 4: to management. 45 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:54,559 Speaker 1: No, that's fair enough. 46 00:01:54,760 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: Hey, Gareth, I saw Rachel Reeves crying in the House 47 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 2: of Commons in Parliament, and I feel incredibly sorry for her. 48 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: She is in a difficult position and she's trying so 49 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: hard not to cry. But I want women in big 50 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 2: positions like that to stop crying in public. What do 51 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: you think. 52 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 3: Oh, I saw the video too, and it was kind 53 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 3: of heartbreaking. She looked so tired and so exhausted. She's 54 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 3: clearly been through a lot with this massive contentious bill 55 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: that's gone through, but look, we've got so much worse 56 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 3: in our parliament or when you go to Westminster. I'd 57 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: much rather someone was a true person and shared some 58 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 3: emotion rather than yelling or insulting. If people haven't seen 59 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 3: the footage, you know, this is kind of a zoomed 60 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: and image of her standing behind Starma giving a speech. 61 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 3: It's not like she was giving a speech on the 62 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 3: state of the British economy. You know, she had to 63 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 3: express confidence and. 64 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,280 Speaker 2: No and the important things. 65 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 3: The private issue. 66 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 2: The important thing, Gareth is that she's sitting there having 67 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 2: done all his dirty work for him, while he is 68 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 2: basically making it clear that he might fire her. Right, 69 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: so you can understand why she wants to cry. But 70 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 2: I don't think women should cry in public. We should 71 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: take could take it away and do it privately. Don't 72 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: you think. 73 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 3: I think it would be better if some men politicians 74 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 3: actually expressed the emotions and sometimes should be a place 75 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,919 Speaker 3: where everyone's welcome. 76 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, well do you think, Jordan. 77 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 4: I tend to believe in that in the stiff upper lip. 78 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 4: But that's naive, you know, But we often forget that 79 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 4: politicians are human. And I too much to the left 80 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: wing twitter back then or the spin offs Delight. I 81 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: once cried in court and I deeply embarrassed, but it 82 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 4: was human and politicians are human too. I think that 83 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 4: it is. I don't think that it is a weakness 84 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: or anything at least sort of over the top. And 85 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 4: I know we live in a world now where everything's 86 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 4: overly emotional and catastrophized and over the top, and we 87 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 4: sent to encourage emotions, but I actually think that was 88 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: the case here. This this this politician, you know, her 89 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 4: whole life has been leading up to this moment, and 90 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 4: she's failing, and she's so clearly she's failing in front 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: of the whole of Britain. 92 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Well and now because she cried in front of them, 93 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 2: they absolutely know it. But I appreciate your views on it. 94 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: Will take a break come back. 95 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international Realty achieve extraordinary 96 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach. 97 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 2: Back on the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Gareth Hughes Jordan. 98 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 2: Are you impressed with the law and order announcements from 99 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 2: the government this week? 100 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was when I saw it, but when I 101 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 4: dig into the detail and I had a quick chat 102 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 4: to the Senseful Sentencing Trust people and they're really unimpressed. 103 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 4: Particularly the coward punch announcement. It's actually a bit of 104 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 4: a scam because at the moment that's often very occasionally 105 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 4: charged his murder, but usually charged with manslaughter, which this 106 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 4: is just going to replace. And it doesn't have a 107 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 4: minimum sentence, unlike Australia, where a lot of states have 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 4: put in coward punch legislation. In fact one, I understand 109 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 4: a minimum of eight years. So really saying that we're 110 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:08,359 Speaker 4: taking this seriously in New Zealand under this, it's going 111 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,480 Speaker 4: to be no different we get home to tention or 112 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:12,799 Speaker 4: if it's a really bad case, three or four years. 113 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,280 Speaker 4: So it's a little bit of window dressing. They might 114 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 4: be being a little bit hard. Simply a government talking 115 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 4: about law and order and saying we're getting tough does 116 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 4: actually have a detrimental effect. It's probably why when some 117 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 4: states in the US have three strikes legislation it's not 118 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 4: just that state, it's actually neighboring states. It's been shown 119 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 4: it reduces crime. Simply getting the message that the new 120 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 4: sheriff in town hues the pun is actually does appear 121 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: to make a difference. So maybe the jawboning to talk 122 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 4: down crime, but in terms of the actual Senate thing, 123 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 4: some of these things are pretty hollow. 124 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 3: What do you think, Garrett, Yeah, I agree with Jordan. 125 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 3: Might be the first time ever this is you know, 126 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: I think a case these series of announcement long on 127 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 3: public relations, but very short on evidence or any proof 128 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 3: how these are going to be effective at all. You 129 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 3: know they're trying to. I think they're on the politically, 130 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 3: on the back foot. We know that, you know, crime 131 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: is the fifth highest issue on the HIPSOS issue of 132 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 3: issues that matter to kiwis at the moment, where on 133 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 3: the back foot when the police had a memo ey 134 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 3: this year saying that shoplifting wasn't going to be investigated. 135 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 3: You know, it's not coming down fast enough, and so 136 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 3: they're going for the simplest, quickst policies that get a 137 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 3: headline rather than really address the root issues or even 138 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 3: some of the systemic issues that we know are causing 139 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 3: these issues. What they're trying to demonstrate is what Jordan's 140 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 3: saying through these flurry of releases, that they're really focused 141 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 3: on crime. And that's I think the lesson the left 142 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 3: should pick up too. They don't want to look like 143 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: they're not focused on crime, because ultimately it's many of 144 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 3: the lowest paid and most vulnerable our society who are 145 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 3: the victims of that crime itself. 146 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah too, Right now, Jordan, there is a called out 147 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: of Victoria apropos. What's going on with these guys in 148 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 2: the child care center? To ban men from childca centers 149 00:06:58,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: all together? What do you think? 150 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: Life's quite shocked about how wide spread in some of 151 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 4: these horrendous cases in Australia. I didn't quite I hadn't 152 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 4: realized it was quite that bad. But I mean the 153 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 4: owners of the owner of our child my two year 154 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 4: olds child centers a bloke, I think it's quite good 155 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 4: to have men in these child care centers, especially when 156 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: we've got and it's just like there's very few male 157 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 4: school teachers at primary schools in a society where there's 158 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 4: a lot of absent dads and a lot of single 159 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 4: parent families with dad, you know, not in the household. 160 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 4: I think it's a great shame and the idea of 161 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 4: banning men from being able to work at childcare centers 162 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 4: I think is pretty poor. You know, yeah, I don't 163 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 4: like cast Everyone shouldn't be painted with that br. 164 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. 165 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 3: What do you say, Gareth, Well, if we're going to 166 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: ban them from child care centers, probably working in churches 167 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 3: and movie productions and lawyers offices and other powerful positions. 168 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: I mean, look, this is a really horrific case. And 169 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: I understand this guy. We's at twenty different centers in 170 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 3: the last eight years. I don't even know how this 171 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 3: is possible in twenty twenty five. I was a trainee 172 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 3: high school teacher about twenty years ago, and back then 173 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: it was drummed into us, you know, not being in 174 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 3: a room with that was a teenager, let alone, you know, 175 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: a child by yourself. So something's horribly broken down with 176 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: the rules and the processes. But I agree with Jordan, 177 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: we probably it might not feel that weird to be 178 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: saying it now, but we probably need more men working 179 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 3: in childcare centers. We've got one of the lowest rates 180 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 3: in the world. It's about one point eight percent a male, 181 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 3: So we see young kids missing out on rail male 182 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 3: role models, you know, the different types of strengths that 183 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 3: men bring to these roles. But we've got to make 184 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 3: sure we've got these good protections in place so it 185 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: can never ever happen. 186 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah too right, Thank you so much. Guys appreciated Jordan 187 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: William's Gareth user howdle Gareth makes an excellent point. 188 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 4: How could it? 189 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 2: If you think how ken do your a day care 190 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 2: works nowadays? How on earth could that even happen? 191 00:08:59,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 4: Right? 192 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: If somebody was away with kid for an extended period 193 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,600 Speaker 2: of time, surely people would flag things, wouldn't they. There's 194 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 2: something has gone wrong with the sky in Victoria. Eight 195 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 2: away from six. 196 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 197 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: news talks the'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 198 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.