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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from Newstalks EDB start your weekend off in style. Saturday

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Speaker 1: Mornings with Jack Team and Bpure dot co dot inst

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Speaker 2: EDB eighteen losses out of twenty one games. Just think

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Speaker 2: about that, eighteen losses out of twenty one games. That

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Speaker 2: was the White Ferns record heading into this T twenty

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Speaker 2: World Cup. They make the semifinal, it comes down to

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Speaker 2: the last over fifteen runs required for the West Indies

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Speaker 2: to make the final and knock the White Ferns out.

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Speaker 2: Susie Bates has handed the ball for the first time

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Speaker 2: in the entire tournament. The first ball of that last

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Speaker 2: have been penalized. They can only have three players outside

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Speaker 2: their defenses with what eleven runs left, are as thin

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Speaker 2: does Susie Baits do? She steps up to the moment,

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Speaker 2: Big time players, make big time plays. An extraordinary last

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Speaker 2: few balls dot wicket one dot White Ferns win. Remarkable

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Speaker 2: games that they should be making the final of the

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Speaker 2: T twenty Women's World Cup. My goodness, it is a

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Speaker 2: crazy weekend of sport. It is one of those like

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Speaker 2: for this time of year when we don't actually have

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Speaker 2: any rug beyond we have a remarkable smallas board of

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Speaker 2: sporting delights this weekend. We've got Liam Lawson, we've got

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Speaker 2: football on this weekend of course, and we've got the

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Speaker 2: black Caps in a remarkable position against India. So we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be looking at all of that this morning on

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Speaker 2: News Talks. He'd be as well as that. After ten o'clock,

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Speaker 2: our feature interview is the author of Warhorse, Michael Morpurgo

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Speaker 2: is going to be with us from the UK. He's

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Speaker 2: just he is such a uniquely talented storyteller. So I'm

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Speaker 2: going to ask him about his latest book. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: ask him about his time with Roald Dahl as well.

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Speaker 2: So really looking forward to that. He's gonna be with

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Speaker 2: us after ten o'clock this morning. Right now, it is

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Speaker 2: nine minutes past nine, Jack dam, I gotta say I

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Speaker 2: never thought I would support Auckland in anything, in anything,

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Speaker 2: I mean, duh, I'm from christ Church. So when I

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Speaker 2: given that Aucklands were nothing more than lata swilling, overpriced

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Speaker 2: haircut donning ostentatious sports car driving prima donnas. You know

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Speaker 2: it was a given. And look, my parochialism isn't the

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Speaker 2: only force working against Auckland City FC. When the brand

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Speaker 2: new club kicks off in its very first A League

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Speaker 2: match this evening, it faces the unique challenge that comes

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Speaker 2: from trying to launch a new team and a new

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Speaker 2: club and a competition that is already well established. Just

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Speaker 2: think about it, right, Most of the teams we support

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Speaker 2: in different sports have either been around since the competition's

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Speaker 2: or even decades. You know, I support the Crusaders because

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Speaker 2: Super Rugby was established, they were the team of everyone

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Speaker 2: and so I stuck with that the Warriors. They inspire

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Speaker 2: for thirty years and never really shaken off the underdog status.

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Speaker 2: And hey, they are the New Zealand Warriors, don't forget,

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Speaker 2: It is a bit harder to inspire loyalty in a

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Speaker 2: But for all of that, I've got to say Auckland

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Speaker 2: in the nine are so ready for a proper football team.

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Speaker 2: They are so ready for this moment. You see it

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Speaker 2: every time the Phoenix play at Eden Park, you see

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Speaker 2: Sure it might take a few seasons to deepen the

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Speaker 2: so tonight I will be there. I will be one

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Speaker 2: of the more than twenty thousand at a sold out

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Speaker 2: go Media Stadium. I must have a dozen friends attending.

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Speaker 2: We're all taking kids. Some have already bought season passes.

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Speaker 2: You can hold the fancy haircut, you can hold the lattes.

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Speaker 2: But I will be proudly crossing the rubicon, dressed in blue.

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Speaker 2: And if, in years to come anyone should question my

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Speaker 2: was there from day one. Jack Tam ninety two. Ninety

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Speaker 2: If you're going to do that. You can email me

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Speaker 2: if you've got longer message. You prefer a keyboard Jacketnews Doogs,

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Speaker 2: EDB dot co dot nz before ten o'clock. Potentially my

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Speaker 2: But a hummingbird cake is like an elevated carrot cake

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Speaker 2: with a little bit of like fruitiness in there as well.

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Speaker 2: recipe Bel four ten. Next up, Kevin milnwill get us underway.

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Speaker 2: It's thirteen past nine. I'm Jack Tame. It's Saturday Morning

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Speaker 2: on News Dog's EDB.

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Speaker 3: No bitter way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jacktam and bepururt on cot dot z

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Speaker 2: MB sixteen past nine on your Saturday Morning, Jack. I

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Speaker 2: don't even follow soccer, but I'm with the Auckland team

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Speaker 2: coming on board. I'm so nervous. I'm excited. I think

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Speaker 2: soccer is growing. Here go the Phoenix is Lee Jack.

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Speaker 2: What was going media stadium beforehand? It's Mount Smart, It's YEP,

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Speaker 2: one of the same. Oh this is bad. I guess

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Speaker 2: I was. In my excitement, I was listing off all

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Speaker 2: the amazing sports this weekend. Okase, let's let's try it again,

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Speaker 2: because I missed, missed rather an important one. Okay. We've

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Speaker 2: got the White Ferns making the Tea twenty women World

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Speaker 2: Caps in a remarkable position against India. We've got Liam

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Speaker 2: We've got the football and I don't know if you've heard,

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Speaker 2: but it's match point in the America's Cup. Whoops, a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a little bit of a miss one there,

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Speaker 2: See what I mean? It is a remarkable weekend of sport.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Milner's with us this morning, more than a Kevin

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Speaker 4: Did I hear you say we don't have any rugby

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Speaker 4: on this weekend? We do have the semi finals of

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Speaker 4: the NPC with your team?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, team?

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Speaker 2: Well, Well what I should have said is we don't

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Speaker 2: backs test? Is that is that? Okay?

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Speaker 2: I know, I know you're right, because I actually do

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Speaker 2: I that was very remissive with me, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry that I can forgive you because cricket has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, last night was so good. I just know it's

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Speaker 2: time for me. But they have given the record coming

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Speaker 2: you've had excitement in your week already, Kevin. You saw

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Speaker 4: I saw the comet. I saw the comet where our

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Speaker 4: It's a comment that the newspapers tell me hasn't been

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Speaker 4: a long time ago. The world's first ever structures had

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Speaker 4: reports reckon Comet twenty twenty three A three won't be

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Speaker 4: seen in our skies for another eighty thousand years. I'm

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Speaker 4: not sure if that's correct. Actually, but it made me

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Speaker 4: consider how we're all going to be looking in eighty

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Speaker 4: thousand years. We're going to be dust. Jack, You the

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Speaker 4: handsome young guy, me the old guy, are finally going

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Speaker 4: to be looking the same, indistinguishable just dust. If you're

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Speaker 4: miss seeing the comet this week, Jack, we can say

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Speaker 4: with a large degree of confidence you're not going to

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Speaker 4: see it next time. Then it went through my mind,

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Speaker 4: will there be anybody living in New Zealand to see

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Speaker 4: the comment in eighty thousand years time, in the year

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Speaker 4: eighty two and twenty four, will there be anybody still

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Speaker 4: living on this planet anywhere? I put all these huge

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Speaker 4: interested in whether Christian Cullen was going to win celebrity Treasurialah.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes Jack, I wonder how Linda and I have survived

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Speaker 4: forty six years of marriage.

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Speaker 2: It's probably precisely why you've survived forty six years of marriage.

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Speaker 2: like there's something primal in us, like when you have

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Speaker 8: Good to start so far.

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Speaker 2: So you get to see people's authentic self. When Culley

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Speaker 2: Sidley came through on that front. Right now it is

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Speaker 2: twenty seven minutes to ten, we've got your movie picks.

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Speaker 2: Next on news talks, he'd be.

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Speaker 10: But do you have someone for me?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 2: I got loads? Can you guess who it is?

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Speaker 4: Did?

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Speaker 2: Did do?

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Speaker 5: Do? Do?

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Speaker 2: There's Carlie Minoak. She's back. Carlie's back a well, she's

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Speaker 2: been in the business again. People bug in for a

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Speaker 2: long long time. Now, but she's just got a new album.

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Speaker 2: That song is called Someone for Me. Kind of catch

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Speaker 2: he oh twenty four to ten on news talks, he'd

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Speaker 2: be time to catch up with our film review of

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Speaker 2: Francesca Rudkin to get her picks for this weekend killed her.

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Speaker 11: How many times have we said she's back?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's never gone. Maybe.

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Speaker 2: I wonder how many albums she's done. I'm going to

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Speaker 2: Minogue has done. But I quite didn't mind that felt,

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Speaker 2: bit of a better term. She sold eighty million records.

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Speaker 2: seventy nine, so yeah, I think we probably should stop

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Speaker 2: saying she's back. Anyway. So we've got two different films

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Speaker 2: first one. This is merchant Ivory.

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Speaker 5: Merchant Ivory, it was just a golden period.

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Speaker 9: I mean, basically, they made the films they wanted to meet.

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Speaker 12: Merchant Ivory.

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Speaker 14: At the end of every movie, everyone says never again.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So this is a documentary looking at the relationship

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Speaker 2: between the director, James Ivory and the producer Ishmael Merchant.

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Speaker 8: Yes.

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Speaker 11: And so this is Screening is part of the British

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Speaker 11: and Irish Film Festival and it is kicking off on

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Speaker 11: the twenty third of October. It's running to the thirteenth

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Speaker 11: of November. I love this festival because it really does

439
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Speaker 11: go across the country. It's going to be in twenty cities.

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Speaker 11: It's got about thirty cinema partners and they've got a

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Speaker 11: really great program this year. And this documentary of Screening

442
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Speaker 11: is part of the Film Festival, and it takes a

443
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Speaker 11: look at this film company that took art house period

444
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Speaker 11: drama and turned them into sort of mainstream global hits.

445
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Speaker 11: And the company was founded in the sixties by Ismael

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Speaker 11: Merchant who is mentioned as the producer, and James Ivory,

447
00:24:02,493 --> 00:24:04,933
Speaker 11: who was the director writer, and they were life and

448
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Speaker 11: business partners from aboutnineteen sixty one through to Merchant's death

449
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Speaker 11: in two thousand and five. And they also work with

450
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Speaker 11: Ruth Bucko, who scripted a lot of their films as well.

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Speaker 11: In the eighties they became very well known. They did

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Speaker 11: a series of films such as Quartete, Heat and Dust

453
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Speaker 11: and The Bostonians. But in nineteen eighty five they released

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Speaker 11: A Room with a View, and many of our listeners

455
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Speaker 11: will remember this film. It kind of encapsulated what merchant

456
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Speaker 11: Ivory was all about. They were renowned for creating films

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Speaker 11: that resonated universally. They had these lush settings, beautiful music,

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Speaker 11: and these complex characters and launched many careers and then

459
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Speaker 11: often worked regularly with the same cast films such as

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Speaker 11: Morris Howard's End, Remains of the Day, Jefferson and Paris

461
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Speaker 11: Surviving Potasso, So that all these films will ring a bell,

462
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Speaker 11: and they came from this one production company. But the

463
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Speaker 11: same about merchant Ivory was even thong. They were hugely successful.

464
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Speaker 11: The way that kind of films were distributed and things

465
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Speaker 11: in those days. They never had any money. So Eshmael

466
00:25:09,613 --> 00:25:13,573
Speaker 11: was a firecrackers that everybody calls them, sort of like

467
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Speaker 11: lots of people, a lot of famous names. In this film,

468
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Speaker 11: they call him a corn artist, and he was just

469
00:25:18,613 --> 00:25:20,213
Speaker 11: he was a night me to deal with. He never

470
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Speaker 11: had enough money he never paid on time.

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Speaker 9: He'd say.

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Speaker 11: He sort of said to one one costume designer, and

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Speaker 11: I think that there were four costumed four people working

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Speaker 11: on costumes with the room of the views, like hundreds

475
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Speaker 11: and hundreds of them, he said. Afterwards, on the next

476
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Speaker 11: film she worked on, he said, Ah, I got you

477
00:25:37,613 --> 00:25:39,133
Speaker 11: an oscar? Do I really need to pay you? And

478
00:25:39,173 --> 00:25:41,453
Speaker 11: she's like, yeah, you kind of do. So there's all

479
00:25:41,493 --> 00:25:44,773
Speaker 11: these fabulous stories and Hugh Grant talks about it as

480
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Speaker 11: being a wonderful time in filmmaking, and he says, in

481
00:25:46,973 --> 00:25:49,813
Speaker 11: those days, we fancied each other on seat, you know,

482
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Speaker 11: the sick crackled with subliminal lust.

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Speaker 13: And nowadays you go.

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Speaker 11: On set, you go on seat and everyone's just sitting

485
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Speaker 11: there on their phones, not communicating. So lots of wonderful

486
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Speaker 11: stories about the background. So they just constantly struggled to

487
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Speaker 11: get these films up and running. And then you had

488
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Speaker 11: James who was just this gentle choir director and people

489
00:26:08,053 --> 00:26:10,093
Speaker 11: talk about he was just so calm. They were just

490
00:26:10,293 --> 00:26:12,853
Speaker 11: they were they were just complete opposites who came together

491
00:26:12,933 --> 00:26:16,053
Speaker 11: to create some incredibly well known films. It's a really

492
00:26:16,493 --> 00:26:19,213
Speaker 11: delightful look at this production. I love the behind the

493
00:26:19,213 --> 00:26:21,253
Speaker 11: scenes part of story in this one's fabulous.

494
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Speaker 2: That sounds great, Okay, So that is merchant ivory as

495
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Speaker 2: you say that showing at the British and Irish Film Festival.

496
00:26:27,813 --> 00:26:30,733
Speaker 2: Also showing at that festival is The Return.

497
00:26:31,613 --> 00:26:35,493
Speaker 11: Yes, and this is this film reunites the English patient

498
00:26:35,573 --> 00:26:40,013
Speaker 11: stars Ralphine's Andrewette Binoche for the first time. This is

499
00:26:40,773 --> 00:26:43,773
Speaker 11: a new take on the Odyssey, but it kind of

500
00:26:43,853 --> 00:26:46,773
Speaker 11: starts after all the actions taken off and it kind

501
00:26:46,773 --> 00:26:50,213
Speaker 11: of picks up when our hero returns home after being

502
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Speaker 11: away for twenty years, and it's really the story of

503
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Speaker 11: him reuniting with his wife Penelope and finds of Anosha.

504
00:26:56,613 --> 00:26:59,533
Speaker 11: Both really remarkable. I mean, I can't take my eyes

505
00:26:59,573 --> 00:27:02,333
Speaker 11: off them when they're on the screen together. But this adaptation,

506
00:27:02,493 --> 00:27:05,813
Speaker 11: it's very stripped back. It's kind of got a theatrical

507
00:27:06,013 --> 00:27:08,813
Speaker 11: edge to it. It takes its time, There is a

508
00:27:08,813 --> 00:27:10,933
Speaker 11: lot of silence. This is very much kind of an

509
00:27:11,093 --> 00:27:16,093
Speaker 11: art house, you know, adaptation of this story for a

510
00:27:16,133 --> 00:27:18,293
Speaker 11: discerning film goer, but you know, it's got these really

511
00:27:18,293 --> 00:27:21,093
Speaker 11: interesting themes of virtue and violence and the nature of man.

512
00:27:22,013 --> 00:27:22,213
Speaker 9: Look.

513
00:27:22,253 --> 00:27:24,133
Speaker 11: For me, it was a little sluggish, but I just

514
00:27:24,253 --> 00:27:26,853
Speaker 11: love seeing these two on screen. There is another film

515
00:27:26,893 --> 00:27:29,253
Speaker 11: I would highly recommend also in the film festival. It's

516
00:27:29,293 --> 00:27:32,453
Speaker 11: called Conclave and it's from the director of All Quiet

517
00:27:32,453 --> 00:27:34,573
Speaker 11: on the Western Front, and this is getting huge reviews.

518
00:27:34,653 --> 00:27:36,373
Speaker 11: There's quite a few films which are coming straight from

519
00:27:36,413 --> 00:27:39,613
Speaker 11: the Toronto Film Right and you Can Film Festival, so

520
00:27:39,613 --> 00:27:41,213
Speaker 11: this will be the first time we get to see them,

521
00:27:41,213 --> 00:27:46,373
Speaker 11: so definitely worth grabbing a program and checking it out.

522
00:27:46,413 --> 00:27:48,973
Speaker 11: British and Irish Film Festival dot co dot film said

523
00:27:49,213 --> 00:27:49,653
Speaker 11: very good.

524
00:27:49,733 --> 00:27:54,093
Speaker 2: Okay, hey did you see the film war Horse? Do

525
00:27:54,093 --> 00:27:59,653
Speaker 2: you mean Horse? Yeah? Yeah, I'm putting it on the spot. Yeah. Yeah,

526
00:27:59,733 --> 00:28:02,693
Speaker 2: so that well, you know the author of that store.

527
00:28:02,693 --> 00:28:03,773
Speaker 2: Do you ever read the book as well?

528
00:28:04,773 --> 00:28:05,253
Speaker 5: No idea?

529
00:28:06,493 --> 00:28:07,493
Speaker 11: Oh no, no, no, no, no.

530
00:28:08,453 --> 00:28:10,053
Speaker 2: The author's name Michael Morpurgo.

531
00:28:10,653 --> 00:28:10,933
Speaker 15: Yes.

532
00:28:11,213 --> 00:28:14,013
Speaker 11: So we brought my children when they were younger with

533
00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:16,613
Speaker 11: all his books were the most amazing books to give

534
00:28:16,693 --> 00:28:17,253
Speaker 11: young readers.

535
00:28:17,333 --> 00:28:20,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are to kind of absorb big.

536
00:28:20,373 --> 00:28:22,773
Speaker 11: Themes in the world. I love his books.

537
00:28:22,813 --> 00:28:25,573
Speaker 2: You've nailed it. You've given the exact answer that I

538
00:28:25,573 --> 00:28:27,613
Speaker 2: wanted you to give there, So thank you very much

539
00:28:27,693 --> 00:28:31,173
Speaker 2: for Yeah. He's with us after ten o'clock this morning.

540
00:28:31,453 --> 00:28:35,413
Speaker 2: He's got some really remarkable like special new books, so

541
00:28:35,453 --> 00:28:37,133
Speaker 2: he's going to tell us about that after ten o'clock

542
00:28:37,173 --> 00:28:41,093
Speaker 2: this morning. And as Francisca says, this year's British and

543
00:28:41,253 --> 00:28:44,773
Speaker 2: Irish Film Festival has an incredible selection of films. So

544
00:28:44,773 --> 00:28:46,453
Speaker 2: if you go to British Film Festival dot co do

545
00:28:46,533 --> 00:28:49,733
Speaker 2: on NZ you will find your cup of TB at drama, comedy,

546
00:28:49,773 --> 00:28:54,853
Speaker 2: documentaries and more. It is screening nationwide from this Wednesday,

547
00:28:54,933 --> 00:28:58,213
Speaker 2: the twenty third of October through to the thirteenth of November,

548
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Speaker 2: and we have double tickets to be won, so in

549
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Speaker 2: order to be in the draw, going register at Newstalk

550
00:29:03,493 --> 00:29:08,733
Speaker 2: zb dot co dot NZ forward slash win and while

551
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Speaker 2: you're on the news talk ZIBI website you'll be able

552
00:29:11,413 --> 00:29:15,053
Speaker 2: to find Francesca's recommendations those films. Merchant Ivory was that

553
00:29:15,093 --> 00:29:19,293
Speaker 2: first documentary and the second one is The Return. Right now,

554
00:29:19,333 --> 00:29:20,613
Speaker 2: it is seventeen to ten.

555
00:29:22,093 --> 00:29:25,813
Speaker 1: Saturday mornings with Jack Day keeping the conversation going through

556
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Speaker 1: the weekend with bpure dot co dot in here for

557
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Speaker 1: high quality supplements used talks EDB.

558
00:29:31,613 --> 00:29:33,893
Speaker 2: It's a ten non news talks EDB. I have been

559
00:29:33,973 --> 00:29:37,373
Speaker 2: looking forward to this conversation so much NECKI works out.

560
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Speaker 2: Cook is here this morning with I've said it, NICKI,

561
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Speaker 2: I've said it already. My favorite cake, my favorite cake,

562
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Speaker 2: which is a big call because I love a carrot cake. Yeah,

563
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Speaker 2: I love a carrot cake. But I only really I

564
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Speaker 2: got into a hummingbird cake vibe because I I've mentioned

565
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Speaker 2: them before, but I'm a huge fan of Ripe Cafe

566
00:29:56,213 --> 00:29:59,213
Speaker 2: and Deli and Auckland. Yes, yeah, and they make me

567
00:29:59,333 --> 00:30:02,173
Speaker 2: of your prey. Oh my gosh, they make this ridiculously

568
00:30:02,413 --> 00:30:06,413
Speaker 2: decadent hummingbird cake. In fact, I got one for my

569
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Speaker 2: wife recently, and it was a classic thing where I

570
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Speaker 2: sort of I ordered a cake that I wanted for

571
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Speaker 2: her birthday, and then of course I did, and then

572
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Speaker 2: it just turns out that she loves it even more

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Speaker 2: than me. So you know that's fine.

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Speaker 16: Oh You're a match. You're a match made in heaven exactly.

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Speaker 16: And look, I agree with you anyone who loves a

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Speaker 16: carrot cake. Actually, anyone who loves a banana cake as well.

577
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Speaker 16: I feel like the hummingbird cake is definitely not the

578
00:30:31,493 --> 00:30:35,133
Speaker 16: humble hummingbird cake. It really does take those two cakes,

579
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Speaker 16: the banana and the carrot cake, to the next level.

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Speaker 16: A lot of people haven't heard of hummingbird cake?

581
00:30:41,813 --> 00:30:42,213
Speaker 3: What is that?

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Speaker 16: You'll see it a lot in cafes, but no one

583
00:30:45,013 --> 00:30:47,173
Speaker 16: really asks, oh, you know, what's the story with it?

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Speaker 16: I like to say it is if a carrot or

585
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Speaker 16: a banana cake went on a bit of a Jamaican

586
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Speaker 16: holiday and they meet up with a bit of pineapple,

587
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Speaker 16: some warming spices and had a good old time out

588
00:30:59,493 --> 00:31:01,013
Speaker 16: for a bit of coconut and there if you like

589
00:31:01,053 --> 00:31:05,653
Speaker 16: as well, it's awesome, it's great. Look this recipe here,

590
00:31:05,733 --> 00:31:07,973
Speaker 16: So I know you mean. I sometimes make a sort

591
00:31:08,013 --> 00:31:12,173
Speaker 16: of four layered hummingbird cake that is quite extravagant and extraordinary,

592
00:31:12,213 --> 00:31:14,613
Speaker 16: and if I was running right cafe, that's also what

593
00:31:14,653 --> 00:31:17,333
Speaker 16: I would do. However, this one is a nice, little

594
00:31:17,413 --> 00:31:20,333
Speaker 16: humble version. It makes a nice, neat little cake that

595
00:31:20,413 --> 00:31:22,333
Speaker 16: you can split through the middle and put some of

596
00:31:22,373 --> 00:31:25,173
Speaker 16: the frosting in there. So this is what we get,

597
00:31:25,213 --> 00:31:27,213
Speaker 16: what we do for the cake. One and a half

598
00:31:27,253 --> 00:31:29,413
Speaker 16: cup you're going to get all of the dry ingredients together.

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00:31:29,533 --> 00:31:32,213
Speaker 16: One and a half cups of just plain flour. You

600
00:31:32,253 --> 00:31:35,893
Speaker 16: could substitute one and a quarter cups of gluten free

601
00:31:35,893 --> 00:31:38,173
Speaker 16: flour if you like. Three quarters of a cups of

602
00:31:38,613 --> 00:31:42,293
Speaker 16: brown sugar, half a cup of dessicated coconut. I don't

603
00:31:42,333 --> 00:31:45,573
Speaker 16: always put coconut in my hummingbird. You could leave it out.

604
00:31:46,173 --> 00:31:46,533
Speaker 9: I don't know.

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00:31:46,573 --> 00:31:49,773
Speaker 16: Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. One heat teaspoon of cinnamon.

606
00:31:50,573 --> 00:31:52,773
Speaker 16: You could also put some allspice in there as well,

607
00:31:52,813 --> 00:31:56,173
Speaker 16: maybe half a teaspoon and then half a teaspoon each

608
00:31:56,333 --> 00:31:59,333
Speaker 16: of baking powder and baking soda. Both of those are

609
00:31:59,333 --> 00:32:01,773
Speaker 16: going to give our cakes some lift. So you're gonna

610
00:32:01,893 --> 00:32:03,453
Speaker 16: just whisk all of that up, all of those dry

611
00:32:03,573 --> 00:32:07,133
Speaker 16: ingredients in one bowl, in another bowl to beat together.

612
00:32:07,213 --> 00:32:10,933
Speaker 16: Two medium to large eggs, three quarters a cup of oil.

613
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Speaker 16: I think this is the key for this cake. It

614
00:32:13,693 --> 00:32:17,213
Speaker 16: is so moist and fantastic without being gluggy, and it's

615
00:32:17,213 --> 00:32:19,573
Speaker 16: because it's got oil. And I think that really is

616
00:32:19,773 --> 00:32:22,333
Speaker 16: the key. With some cakes, I use grape seed oil.

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00:32:23,733 --> 00:32:23,893
Speaker 4: Two.

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Speaker 17: I just I just do you.

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Speaker 16: With my bananas, I've got to two ripe bananas. Two

620
00:32:30,253 --> 00:32:34,293
Speaker 16: ripe bananas, I just throw in there, and I don't

621
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Speaker 16: bother to sort of mash them beforehand, because that's another

622
00:32:36,813 --> 00:32:37,853
Speaker 16: dish that I need to wash.

623
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Speaker 12: What I do is I just break off bits.

624
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Speaker 16: And then I beat it all together with the oil,

625
00:32:41,853 --> 00:32:43,533
Speaker 16: and then what you want to do is you want

626
00:32:43,573 --> 00:32:47,173
Speaker 16: to pour the wet mixture into the dry mixture and

627
00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:50,973
Speaker 16: then add in one cup of crushed pineapple with about

628
00:32:51,013 --> 00:32:54,693
Speaker 16: a quarter of a cup of juice and just stir

629
00:32:54,773 --> 00:32:56,693
Speaker 16: all of that together to well, you've got a lovely batter.

630
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Speaker 16: Don't overmix it. Scrape that batter into a tin I've got.

631
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Speaker 16: You can use anything from a twenty to a twenty

632
00:33:03,013 --> 00:33:07,573
Speaker 16: three centimeat around tin that you've greased and mind oven

633
00:33:07,693 --> 00:33:10,333
Speaker 16: is on one eighty and it takes a good while,

634
00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:14,093
Speaker 16: you know, forty five to fifty five minutes, and the

635
00:33:14,093 --> 00:33:17,173
Speaker 16: price of their variation and the time there is really

636
00:33:17,173 --> 00:33:19,293
Speaker 16: because if you've got a smaller tin, it's going to

637
00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:21,253
Speaker 16: be a deeper cake and it'll take about ten to

638
00:33:21,253 --> 00:33:23,613
Speaker 16: fifteen minutes longer to cook. You want to make sure

639
00:33:23,613 --> 00:33:27,133
Speaker 16: a skewer comes out nice and clean, and then rest

640
00:33:27,253 --> 00:33:30,213
Speaker 16: that cake for about ten minutes before you turn it out.

641
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Speaker 16: And of course, I wonder Jack if the bit you

642
00:33:33,613 --> 00:33:36,413
Speaker 16: really love about a humming bird cake is the icing

643
00:33:36,453 --> 00:33:37,613
Speaker 16: which has cream cheese in it.

644
00:33:37,773 --> 00:33:39,813
Speaker 2: I honestly think that is a big part of it.

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Speaker 2: If I'm totally which is how I can a cat

646
00:33:42,453 --> 00:33:45,493
Speaker 2: to a carrot cake. Yeah, yes, I mean you know,

647
00:33:45,693 --> 00:33:49,093
Speaker 2: it's not a bad thing. Yeah, it's not a bad thing,

648
00:33:49,733 --> 00:33:52,453
Speaker 2: especially if you can do how to take that down? Yeah? Gone,

649
00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:54,173
Speaker 2: sorry you go, no, no, no.

650
00:33:55,293 --> 00:33:56,493
Speaker 12: Well I take my cream.

651
00:33:56,373 --> 00:34:00,053
Speaker 16: Cheese ice into the next level by making one hundred

652
00:34:00,053 --> 00:34:04,173
Speaker 16: grams worth of brown butter. That's that slightly bird biscuity

653
00:34:04,293 --> 00:34:06,573
Speaker 16: kind of butter. You just melt it in a pot.

654
00:34:06,613 --> 00:34:09,573
Speaker 16: It sounds flashed, but it's super easy. You keep cooking it.

655
00:34:09,573 --> 00:34:13,253
Speaker 16: It'll splutter away. Keep that spluttering going for about four

656
00:34:13,253 --> 00:34:17,133
Speaker 16: to six minutes until it's spluttering stops. Turn the temperature

657
00:34:17,133 --> 00:34:19,693
Speaker 16: down a little bit, and then it'll start to foam

658
00:34:19,733 --> 00:34:22,613
Speaker 16: and it starts to brown because that's the milk solids

659
00:34:23,253 --> 00:34:26,213
Speaker 16: getting getting cooked. If you like, and it smells all biscuity,

660
00:34:26,453 --> 00:34:29,413
Speaker 16: you want it to have that lovely nutty aroma. Cool

661
00:34:29,493 --> 00:34:32,413
Speaker 16: that completely. So I often do that this part before

662
00:34:32,453 --> 00:34:34,173
Speaker 16: I start making the cake, all whilst the.

663
00:34:34,213 --> 00:34:35,053
Speaker 15: Cake is cooking.

664
00:34:35,293 --> 00:34:37,973
Speaker 16: Once it's called you want to beat that with, you know,

665
00:34:37,973 --> 00:34:40,853
Speaker 16: two hundred and fifty grams of full fat yes I

666
00:34:40,933 --> 00:34:44,893
Speaker 16: mean full fat cream cheese and round about one to

667
00:34:44,973 --> 00:34:47,333
Speaker 16: one and a half cups of icing sugar and make

668
00:34:47,373 --> 00:34:51,333
Speaker 16: sure your icing sugar is nice and chilled, and that'll

669
00:34:51,333 --> 00:34:53,933
Speaker 16: stop it going too running. And you smother that all

670
00:34:53,973 --> 00:34:57,133
Speaker 16: over the cooled cake. Maybe, as I mentioned at the start,

671
00:34:57,293 --> 00:34:58,813
Speaker 16: you know, split it in the middle and put some

672
00:34:58,853 --> 00:35:00,893
Speaker 16: of the frosting in the middle, and then you've got

673
00:35:00,933 --> 00:35:03,893
Speaker 16: this beautiful two laid cake with still a nice, big

674
00:35:03,973 --> 00:35:05,493
Speaker 16: thick layer of icing on top.

675
00:35:06,533 --> 00:35:09,293
Speaker 2: To do what they do. Then it is one hundred

676
00:35:09,333 --> 00:35:10,933
Speaker 2: percent of my dream cat. You then get a little

677
00:35:10,933 --> 00:35:14,773
Speaker 2: bit of like caramel sauce, like assualted caramel at the

678
00:35:14,813 --> 00:35:16,813
Speaker 2: very top of a little caramel sauce.

679
00:35:17,813 --> 00:35:21,013
Speaker 16: Cray some crush toasted walnuts.

680
00:35:21,493 --> 00:35:22,293
Speaker 12: This is the thing.

681
00:35:22,453 --> 00:35:25,973
Speaker 16: You can go all out. It's okay. I expect many

682
00:35:26,013 --> 00:35:27,533
Speaker 16: of our listeners will be making this this.

683
00:35:27,533 --> 00:35:30,213
Speaker 2: Week as someone who obviously has a bit of a

684
00:35:30,253 --> 00:35:33,653
Speaker 2: sweet tooth, just a bit of one. I have not you.

685
00:35:33,813 --> 00:35:38,533
Speaker 2: I've just you said, chill your icing sugar. Yeah, So

686
00:35:39,053 --> 00:35:42,293
Speaker 2: that weird is that I've do it before, you.

687
00:35:42,253 --> 00:35:44,613
Speaker 16: Know, I've just started doing it. I start, I've started

688
00:35:44,653 --> 00:35:46,893
Speaker 16: keeping my ice and sugar in the freezer because I

689
00:35:46,933 --> 00:35:50,653
Speaker 16: had a couple of batches of icing, you know, cream cheese,

690
00:35:51,373 --> 00:35:53,533
Speaker 16: if you using cream cheese or muscapone, and then I

691
00:35:53,653 --> 00:35:56,613
Speaker 16: put my icing sugar in it. And on these days

692
00:35:56,613 --> 00:35:59,453
Speaker 16: that start to get warmer, the whole things turns runny

693
00:36:00,093 --> 00:36:02,053
Speaker 16: and and you think, oh, I just need to add

694
00:36:02,053 --> 00:36:04,453
Speaker 16: more icing sugar. It just gets runninger and running.

695
00:36:04,653 --> 00:36:07,013
Speaker 2: I've had that, so I asked, Yeah.

696
00:36:07,053 --> 00:36:10,213
Speaker 16: I asked a wonderful little friend of mine from Nippy's

697
00:36:10,293 --> 00:36:13,773
Speaker 16: Eatable Art, and she's a cake baker, and I asked her,

698
00:36:14,133 --> 00:36:16,893
Speaker 16: what do I do here? And she said, oh, you

699
00:36:17,013 --> 00:36:18,893
Speaker 16: really need to keep your ice and sugar in the

700
00:36:18,933 --> 00:36:21,653
Speaker 16: freezer because it'll keep it nice and chilled, and then

701
00:36:21,693 --> 00:36:23,773
Speaker 16: it doesn't go running. And she is right. You get

702
00:36:23,813 --> 00:36:25,013
Speaker 16: fluffy frosting if you do that.

703
00:36:25,093 --> 00:36:27,773
Speaker 2: It's such a good tip. A good tip, isn't it.

704
00:36:28,173 --> 00:36:30,973
Speaker 2: Here you go top of the text machine, Jack Nicki's

705
00:36:31,013 --> 00:36:34,413
Speaker 2: Hummingbird cake is amazing. I've had rave reviews from my

706
00:36:34,453 --> 00:36:37,053
Speaker 2: friends as it's the best cake ever. Thank you, Nikki.

707
00:36:37,093 --> 00:36:38,813
Speaker 2: There you go, good, there you go.

708
00:36:39,693 --> 00:36:40,213
Speaker 13: I do it.

709
00:36:40,293 --> 00:36:43,453
Speaker 16: I do it periodically over the years, and Jacket's always

710
00:36:43,453 --> 00:36:45,333
Speaker 16: at about this time of the year that I tuned

711
00:36:45,333 --> 00:36:47,093
Speaker 16: to the humming cake because there's not a lot of

712
00:36:47,093 --> 00:36:49,693
Speaker 16: other fruits in season. You're not making a lemon cake.

713
00:36:49,693 --> 00:36:52,973
Speaker 16: You're not making a freshberry cake with blueberries. So you

714
00:36:53,053 --> 00:36:55,773
Speaker 16: turn to your good old staples of bananas and canned

715
00:36:55,853 --> 00:36:57,893
Speaker 16: crushed fine apple grace.

716
00:36:58,053 --> 00:37:00,333
Speaker 2: I think I know it to win them. Thank you

717
00:37:00,373 --> 00:37:02,333
Speaker 2: so much. We're going to make sure that recipe is

718
00:37:02,413 --> 00:37:05,173
Speaker 2: up and available online Newstalks zb dot co dot mz

719
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Speaker 2: Ford slash Jack After ten o'clock. If watching the America's

720
00:37:08,573 --> 00:37:11,613
Speaker 2: Cup has got you into a bit of a Barthelona

721
00:37:11,893 --> 00:37:13,613
Speaker 2: state of mind, we're going to tell you about this

722
00:37:13,653 --> 00:37:16,613
Speaker 2: amazing news show. It sounds very very interesting, called The Diplomat.

723
00:37:16,973 --> 00:37:20,413
Speaker 2: So basically it's a BBC drama about staff who are

724
00:37:20,453 --> 00:37:23,413
Speaker 2: working at the British console in Barcelona as they fight

725
00:37:23,493 --> 00:37:27,253
Speaker 2: to protect British nationals who find themselves in trouble. So yeah,

726
00:37:27,293 --> 00:37:30,973
Speaker 2: it's a kind of a kind of a spy drama

727
00:37:31,013 --> 00:37:33,653
Speaker 2: slash diplomacy drama that's set in a beautiful city. So

728
00:37:33,693 --> 00:37:35,053
Speaker 2: what could go wrong? We'll tell you more about that

729
00:37:35,093 --> 00:37:37,693
Speaker 2: after ten o'clock. Right now it is seven minutes to.

730
00:37:37,653 --> 00:37:41,853
Speaker 1: Ten, giving you the inside scoop on all you need

731
00:37:41,933 --> 00:37:45,093
Speaker 1: to know. Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bpure dot

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Speaker 1: co dot nz for high quality supplements.

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Speaker 2: News Talk said be I mean, we're really honestly, this

734
00:37:50,413 --> 00:37:52,173
Speaker 2: list never ends. Jeff has just send me a note

735
00:37:52,173 --> 00:37:54,053
Speaker 2: to say, Jack, on top of all the sports you've

736
00:37:54,093 --> 00:37:57,333
Speaker 2: mentioned this morning, we also have Kiwi Slash Aussie, but

737
00:37:57,333 --> 00:37:59,093
Speaker 2: we're gonna call them a key this morning. Jack Miller

738
00:37:59,133 --> 00:38:01,853
Speaker 2: racing in the Moto GP at Philip Island tomorrow and Monday.

739
00:38:01,853 --> 00:38:03,413
Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that, Jeff, thank you for

740
00:38:03,493 --> 00:38:05,733
Speaker 2: all of your texts and emails. I'm going to get

741
00:38:05,733 --> 00:38:08,453
Speaker 2: to more of those. Ten o'clock this morning. So the

742
00:38:08,653 --> 00:38:13,213
Speaker 2: qualifying for the US IF one sprint begins at ten

743
00:38:13,293 --> 00:38:16,373
Speaker 2: thirty our time, so Liam Mawson will be back on track.

744
00:38:16,413 --> 00:38:18,213
Speaker 2: I will let you know how he goes in that qualifying.

745
00:38:18,253 --> 00:38:19,933
Speaker 2: It's for the sprint race they have. Of course, it's

746
00:38:19,933 --> 00:38:21,733
Speaker 2: not the actual Grand Prix for the weekend. It's kind

747
00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:23,213
Speaker 2: of the warm up to the Grand Prix. So this

748
00:38:23,293 --> 00:38:25,093
Speaker 2: is the qualifying for the warm up to the Grand Prix.

749
00:38:25,093 --> 00:38:26,973
Speaker 2: But still Liam's going to be racing so that you

750
00:38:27,053 --> 00:38:29,293
Speaker 2: know how he goes. After ten thirty this morning and

751
00:38:29,413 --> 00:38:32,293
Speaker 2: straight after the ten o'clock news, I'm really excited about

752
00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:37,293
Speaker 2: this legendary children's author well. Legendary author Michael Moore Pergo,

753
00:38:37,653 --> 00:38:39,933
Speaker 2: author of more than one hundred and fifty books, is

754
00:38:39,973 --> 00:38:41,813
Speaker 2: going to be with us very shortly to tell us

755
00:38:41,813 --> 00:38:45,453
Speaker 2: about his latest It's almost ten o'clock. It is Saturday morning.

756
00:38:45,573 --> 00:38:47,853
Speaker 2: I'm Jack Tay. This is news Talk Zed be.

757
00:38:58,973 --> 00:39:02,053
Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 1: Jack Day and vpure dot co dot zet for high

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Speaker 1: quality supplements.

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Speaker 3: Newstalk's EDB.

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Speaker 1: Mod Any.

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Speaker 2: You're a jactaive on Newstalks EDB. Michael Moore Purgo is

763
00:39:34,653 --> 00:39:39,093
Speaker 2: a literary treasure. The author of Warhorse and Private Peaceful,

764
00:39:39,133 --> 00:39:41,853
Speaker 2: has a back catalog of about one hundred and fifty books,

765
00:39:42,013 --> 00:39:46,053
Speaker 2: and his books are loved most particularly by children and

766
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:50,133
Speaker 2: young people. Michael has added to his expansive library yet

767
00:39:50,133 --> 00:39:53,693
Speaker 2: again with a brand new book called Cobweb. It follows

768
00:39:53,773 --> 00:39:56,533
Speaker 2: a little dog heading to London amid the aftermath of

769
00:39:56,573 --> 00:40:00,093
Speaker 2: Britain's triumph at Waterloo, and Michael is with us. Skelder,

770
00:40:00,133 --> 00:40:01,053
Speaker 2: good morning.

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00:40:01,693 --> 00:40:04,213
Speaker 9: Good morning to you from Devon in England.

772
00:40:04,293 --> 00:40:07,773
Speaker 2: Oh, how wonderful? How was it's Devon today?

773
00:40:08,893 --> 00:40:13,493
Speaker 9: Dark? And I suspect it's raining because it often does.

774
00:40:13,773 --> 00:40:16,893
Speaker 2: Yes, although I mean that is a beautiful coastline. You

775
00:40:16,933 --> 00:40:18,373
Speaker 2: live in a beautiful part of the world. It has

776
00:40:18,453 --> 00:40:18,853
Speaker 2: to be said.

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00:40:19,093 --> 00:40:21,293
Speaker 9: It's a lovely part of the world. It's quite empty

778
00:40:21,293 --> 00:40:24,333
Speaker 9: of people. It's actually very like New Zealand, except we

779
00:40:24,373 --> 00:40:28,733
Speaker 9: don't have mountains, but we do have lots of farmland

780
00:40:28,733 --> 00:40:32,293
Speaker 9: and it's mostly grassland and woods and gentle rolling hills

781
00:40:32,293 --> 00:40:34,613
Speaker 9: and rivers, you know that sort of countryside.

782
00:40:35,293 --> 00:40:39,013
Speaker 2: Now, Michael that the main character in Cobweb is a

783
00:40:39,133 --> 00:40:41,933
Speaker 2: corgy and Corgy is a drover. So can you tell

784
00:40:42,013 --> 00:40:45,733
Speaker 2: us where you found the inspiration for Cobweb and exactly

785
00:40:45,733 --> 00:40:46,693
Speaker 2: what is a driver?

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00:40:48,733 --> 00:40:51,213
Speaker 9: Yeah, I can tell you. It's like every book I've

787
00:40:51,213 --> 00:40:53,773
Speaker 9: ever written. I get luckier. People tell me things, And

788
00:40:54,533 --> 00:40:57,373
Speaker 9: in this case it was a friend of ours who

789
00:40:58,373 --> 00:41:01,093
Speaker 9: decided he was going to do a two hundred and

790
00:41:01,213 --> 00:41:06,693
Speaker 9: fifty mile walk from the west coast of Wales to London,

791
00:41:07,453 --> 00:41:09,173
Speaker 9: and he was going to do it to raise money

792
00:41:09,213 --> 00:41:13,133
Speaker 9: for a charity we run called Farms for City Children,

793
00:41:13,173 --> 00:41:19,293
Speaker 9: which gets children from the cities here in England, London, Birmingham, Bristol, Manchester.

794
00:41:20,013 --> 00:41:22,653
Speaker 9: They come to the farm in Devon and they live

795
00:41:22,733 --> 00:41:24,613
Speaker 9: and work on this farm. And two others at the

796
00:41:24,693 --> 00:41:26,453
Speaker 9: charity run. So he was going to help us by

797
00:41:26,493 --> 00:41:29,373
Speaker 9: raising money and doing this walk. I said, why are

798
00:41:29,413 --> 00:41:31,573
Speaker 9: you doing this walk? And you know what road will

799
00:41:31,613 --> 00:41:33,773
Speaker 9: you be taking? So well, I'm going on the drovers road.

800
00:41:35,013 --> 00:41:36,773
Speaker 9: And I didn't know what a drove all was, but

801
00:41:36,853 --> 00:41:39,973
Speaker 9: I had no real idea that you could walk the

802
00:41:40,013 --> 00:41:43,133
Speaker 9: same route at all. But he had researched it extremely

803
00:41:43,213 --> 00:41:47,573
Speaker 9: carefully and he set off this was last year, walking

804
00:41:47,613 --> 00:41:52,093
Speaker 9: all the way from Pembrokeshire in South Wales up to London,

805
00:41:52,653 --> 00:41:56,293
Speaker 9: which was the route followed by the drovers of old

806
00:41:56,293 --> 00:41:59,533
Speaker 9: who for thousands of years, and I mean literally thousands

807
00:41:59,573 --> 00:42:01,773
Speaker 9: of years, it was the only way to get your

808
00:42:01,813 --> 00:42:06,173
Speaker 9: animals to market. So your cows and your sheep, even

809
00:42:06,213 --> 00:42:10,533
Speaker 9: your geese, everything that you grew on the farm, raised

810
00:42:10,573 --> 00:42:12,893
Speaker 9: on the farm had to find a market. And where

811
00:42:12,893 --> 00:42:14,853
Speaker 9: were the markets. They were always in the big cities,

812
00:42:14,853 --> 00:42:18,413
Speaker 9: the big towns. No lorries, no trains, no other way

813
00:42:18,453 --> 00:42:22,253
Speaker 9: of getting except to walk them there. And so what

814
00:42:22,293 --> 00:42:27,013
Speaker 9: they did they would set off with'd say two hundred

815
00:42:27,053 --> 00:42:30,373
Speaker 9: cattle and five hundred sheep, and they'd have a dog

816
00:42:30,573 --> 00:42:32,573
Speaker 9: or several dogs, depending on the side of the flock,

817
00:42:32,613 --> 00:42:34,333
Speaker 9: and all these animals would have been gathered from the

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00:42:34,373 --> 00:42:37,653
Speaker 9: farms all around and they set off on this incredible

819
00:42:37,733 --> 00:42:40,893
Speaker 9: journey of two hundred and fifty miles twenty miles a day.

820
00:42:41,093 --> 00:42:45,533
Speaker 9: They'd go, staying in inns on the way, but the

821
00:42:45,573 --> 00:42:48,093
Speaker 9: problem was that the dogs really didn't go in the

822
00:42:48,173 --> 00:42:51,733
Speaker 9: ends much. They would be left outside guarding the animals

823
00:42:51,733 --> 00:42:54,253
Speaker 9: against rustlers anyone who would like to steal any of

824
00:42:55,053 --> 00:42:57,853
Speaker 9: and they cattle themselves and the sheep. They'd be grazing

825
00:42:57,893 --> 00:42:59,933
Speaker 9: the grass and there would be a river or a pond,

826
00:43:00,333 --> 00:43:02,853
Speaker 9: so they were very specific where they should be these

827
00:43:02,933 --> 00:43:05,333
Speaker 9: inns they had to be where animals could be safe

828
00:43:05,333 --> 00:43:08,173
Speaker 9: and safely grown. And the next day they'd set off

829
00:43:08,173 --> 00:43:10,693
Speaker 9: again and they would do twenty miles a day, twenty

830
00:43:10,693 --> 00:43:13,053
Speaker 9: miles a day, and end up in London. And what

831
00:43:13,133 --> 00:43:18,653
Speaker 9: I discovered was remarkable is that in the South Wales

832
00:43:19,133 --> 00:43:22,853
Speaker 9: the dog they used was a corgy. The corgies in

833
00:43:22,853 --> 00:43:25,373
Speaker 9: this country are generally known as the pet which used

834
00:43:25,413 --> 00:43:30,533
Speaker 9: to be adored by our Lake Queen, Queen Elizabeth, I

835
00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:33,253
Speaker 9: think had about seven of them, so they got very

836
00:43:33,253 --> 00:43:34,933
Speaker 9: well known in the country. And they were pretty well

837
00:43:34,973 --> 00:43:37,813
Speaker 9: known anyway, but hundreds of years ago. These were little

838
00:43:38,133 --> 00:43:41,533
Speaker 9: droving dogs and that's what their job was. They would

839
00:43:41,573 --> 00:43:44,133
Speaker 9: go all the way to London. And the really special

840
00:43:44,133 --> 00:43:46,333
Speaker 9: thing about the whole story, which his man told me,

841
00:43:46,493 --> 00:43:50,573
Speaker 9: was this that when they got to London, the drovers,

842
00:43:50,613 --> 00:43:54,773
Speaker 9: who were pretty tough guys bandage, wanted to do the

843
00:43:54,813 --> 00:43:56,973
Speaker 9: business they had to do, which was the selling of

844
00:43:57,013 --> 00:43:59,893
Speaker 9: the animals, which of course belonged to other farmers. They

845
00:43:59,893 --> 00:44:03,373
Speaker 9: were just doing the droving, but they had to sell

846
00:44:03,413 --> 00:44:08,133
Speaker 9: the animals and do the business, get the money. And

847
00:44:08,253 --> 00:44:09,693
Speaker 9: I expect they want to have a good time in

848
00:44:09,773 --> 00:44:12,933
Speaker 9: London or berme or wherever it was. And here's the thing.

849
00:44:12,973 --> 00:44:16,893
Speaker 9: They would turn around to the dogs and say.

850
00:44:17,413 --> 00:44:21,733
Speaker 2: Go home, and he would go hard, and.

851
00:44:22,653 --> 00:44:25,093
Speaker 9: The dog would go back two one hundred and fifty

852
00:44:25,173 --> 00:44:28,013
Speaker 9: miles to where it came from, just like a swallow,

853
00:44:28,813 --> 00:44:32,573
Speaker 9: just like a salmon. And they had this ability. But

854
00:44:32,853 --> 00:44:34,933
Speaker 9: the interesting thing is it was sort of encouraged in

855
00:44:34,973 --> 00:44:37,533
Speaker 9: a way because at each of the inns on the

856
00:44:37,573 --> 00:44:41,853
Speaker 9: way down the drover had left some money so that

857
00:44:41,933 --> 00:44:44,693
Speaker 9: as the dogs went by the same route there was

858
00:44:44,773 --> 00:44:47,253
Speaker 9: food to feed them all the way back to Wales. Wow,

859
00:44:47,293 --> 00:44:50,693
Speaker 9: and I thought, that's that's a story. That mostly no

860
00:44:50,693 --> 00:44:53,533
Speaker 9: one knows, So why don't you tell that tale? That's

861
00:44:53,533 --> 00:44:53,973
Speaker 9: what I did?

862
00:44:54,093 --> 00:44:58,893
Speaker 2: That is extraordinary. That really is remarkable, isn't it. And Michael,

863
00:44:58,933 --> 00:45:01,653
Speaker 2: you've said that this book has what you think is

864
00:45:01,653 --> 00:45:04,773
Speaker 2: the best surprise ending that you have ever written, which

865
00:45:04,813 --> 00:45:08,453
Speaker 2: is I mean extra given how many books you have

866
00:45:08,893 --> 00:45:10,773
Speaker 2: produced of these, I think we're one hundred and fifty

867
00:45:10,773 --> 00:45:14,893
Speaker 2: books in. So do you go about writing an ending

868
00:45:14,973 --> 00:45:17,813
Speaker 2: before you before you lay out the structure of the book,

869
00:45:17,973 --> 00:45:20,773
Speaker 2: How does that ending come about in your process?

870
00:45:21,613 --> 00:45:25,813
Speaker 9: Well, I'm a very instinctive, spontaneous writer. I don't plot

871
00:45:25,813 --> 00:45:28,893
Speaker 9: and plan very much. I mean with this book, for instance,

872
00:45:29,213 --> 00:45:32,693
Speaker 9: I knew obviously the first part of the book was

873
00:45:32,773 --> 00:45:36,733
Speaker 9: to create the place where this dog lives, and I

874
00:45:36,813 --> 00:45:39,493
Speaker 9: wanted to have some kind of connection with someone there.

875
00:45:39,573 --> 00:45:41,213
Speaker 9: So there's a girl on the farm in which the

876
00:45:41,253 --> 00:45:43,213
Speaker 9: dog is brought up of adors the dog, the dog

877
00:45:43,533 --> 00:45:46,253
Speaker 9: where adores the girl and they get split up. Doesn't

878
00:45:46,253 --> 00:45:48,493
Speaker 9: matter why we can read the book for that, but

879
00:45:48,533 --> 00:45:51,533
Speaker 9: they get split up, and the person who splits up

880
00:45:51,573 --> 00:45:54,773
Speaker 9: the relationship between this girl and this dog is also

881
00:45:54,853 --> 00:45:58,493
Speaker 9: responsible for selling the dog to a drover, and off

882
00:45:58,893 --> 00:46:01,413
Speaker 9: the dog goes therefore pretty much on his own in

883
00:46:01,453 --> 00:46:04,093
Speaker 9: the big wide world, except he's got lots and lots

884
00:46:04,133 --> 00:46:06,533
Speaker 9: of cows and sheep to look after, and you follow

885
00:46:06,613 --> 00:46:09,253
Speaker 9: him all the way to London. When I didn't know

886
00:46:09,293 --> 00:46:12,173
Speaker 9: what to do, and I like, this really is I

887
00:46:12,213 --> 00:46:14,973
Speaker 9: didn't know how to continue the book after I got

888
00:46:14,973 --> 00:46:18,133
Speaker 9: the dog to London. And I'm very often like that.

889
00:46:18,333 --> 00:46:21,693
Speaker 9: I start something and off I go on a journey.

890
00:46:21,853 --> 00:46:25,773
Speaker 9: And what I'm always hopeful is that something, something will

891
00:46:26,013 --> 00:46:28,453
Speaker 9: lead me towards an ending, which in fact the reader

892
00:46:28,533 --> 00:46:32,053
Speaker 9: isn't expecting. And I'm not going to I can't tell

893
00:46:32,133 --> 00:46:37,133
Speaker 9: the ending the silly book. But what I what I

894
00:46:37,533 --> 00:46:42,253
Speaker 9: did do was to find out. I find out that

895
00:46:42,933 --> 00:46:48,093
Speaker 9: historically all the droving ended about nineteen hundred, so I

896
00:46:48,133 --> 00:46:52,813
Speaker 9: had to set my book back from that, and I did.

897
00:46:52,973 --> 00:46:55,133
Speaker 9: When I was at school. I'm now eighteen. And when

898
00:46:55,173 --> 00:46:58,693
Speaker 9: we learned history at schools in this country all those

899
00:46:58,773 --> 00:47:02,133
Speaker 9: years ago, you really only learned one way, and that

900
00:47:02,213 --> 00:47:04,573
Speaker 9: was sort of dates. You had to learn dates, the

901
00:47:04,733 --> 00:47:07,173
Speaker 9: dates of this and the dates of that. And I

902
00:47:07,253 --> 00:47:09,293
Speaker 9: remembered all the way through to my eighties, and I

903
00:47:09,453 --> 00:47:13,013
Speaker 9: learned it at the age of seven. Two dates in

904
00:47:13,533 --> 00:47:18,133
Speaker 9: English history from the nineteenth century. One was the Battle

905
00:47:18,413 --> 00:47:23,293
Speaker 9: of Trafalgar, Nelson's great victory, that was eighteen oh five,

906
00:47:23,733 --> 00:47:28,253
Speaker 9: and the other one was the Battle of Waterloo eighteen fifteen.

907
00:47:30,133 --> 00:47:32,973
Speaker 9: And I did know because I have studied a bit

908
00:47:33,133 --> 00:47:36,973
Speaker 9: military history, and I knew that apart from the terrible

909
00:47:36,973 --> 00:47:40,173
Speaker 9: losses on all sides and the slaughter of that battle

910
00:47:40,733 --> 00:47:43,813
Speaker 9: or usually portrayed on film with beautiful uniforms and it's all,

911
00:47:44,213 --> 00:47:48,133
Speaker 9: it was the ghastly, ghastly affair, like all wars anyway,

912
00:47:48,173 --> 00:47:52,053
Speaker 9: What I did know is that when the soldiers came

913
00:47:52,093 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 9: back to this country, to England where I live, after

914
00:47:56,093 --> 00:48:00,613
Speaker 9: that having won this great victory and the country ringing

915
00:48:00,693 --> 00:48:04,413
Speaker 9: bells and celebrating, and when the soldiers came home there

916
00:48:04,453 --> 00:48:06,853
Speaker 9: was nothing for them. There was no work, there was

917
00:48:06,893 --> 00:48:09,533
Speaker 9: no money, and many of them starved in the streets

918
00:48:09,533 --> 00:48:14,253
Speaker 9: of London beggy. And I thought to myself, if one

919
00:48:14,293 --> 00:48:20,253
Speaker 9: of these returning soldiers from that battle should meet up

920
00:48:20,253 --> 00:48:24,213
Speaker 9: with a dog, and that returning soldier had nowhere to go,

921
00:48:25,053 --> 00:48:28,453
Speaker 9: and the dog did know where to go, that might

922
00:48:28,493 --> 00:48:32,293
Speaker 9: be an interesting journey back. So that's the kind of

923
00:48:32,293 --> 00:48:37,133
Speaker 9: thing that happened. I linked up a historical fact. I'm

924
00:48:37,213 --> 00:48:42,493
Speaker 9: very keen on historical facts in my novels. That it's

925
00:48:42,533 --> 00:48:45,573
Speaker 9: truth that interests me, revealing more truth through fiction.

926
00:48:45,813 --> 00:48:48,173
Speaker 2: And it is a truth that rold All told you

927
00:48:48,213 --> 00:48:50,173
Speaker 2: that children don't like history.

928
00:48:51,933 --> 00:48:56,813
Speaker 9: Yes he did. And I had a book called war Horse,

929
00:48:57,573 --> 00:49:01,253
Speaker 9: which was the first book I ever had that years

930
00:49:01,253 --> 00:49:04,373
Speaker 9: and years ago, and I'm talking forty to fifty years ago.

931
00:49:05,533 --> 00:49:08,773
Speaker 9: This book was shortlisted for a big prize in this

932
00:49:08,813 --> 00:49:12,133
Speaker 9: country called the Whipbread Prize, and here was the chair

933
00:49:12,253 --> 00:49:16,213
Speaker 9: of the judges on this prize. And I went up

934
00:49:16,253 --> 00:49:19,453
Speaker 9: to London, and my publishers are very enthusiastic, and they

935
00:49:19,453 --> 00:49:21,413
Speaker 9: thought I was going to win, and lots of people

936
00:49:21,493 --> 00:49:23,613
Speaker 9: that I was going to win. And I didn't win.

937
00:49:23,693 --> 00:49:28,453
Speaker 9: Someone else won, doesn't matter who. But as I was

938
00:49:28,453 --> 00:49:31,613
Speaker 9: feeling a little bit low during the ceremony, I was

939
00:49:31,853 --> 00:49:37,533
Speaker 9: sitting there sipping my wine when Roll Dahald stood up

940
00:49:37,613 --> 00:49:40,933
Speaker 9: and kind of beckoned me over to the judges table.

941
00:49:42,253 --> 00:49:45,013
Speaker 9: So I went over. You had to go where he said,

942
00:49:45,053 --> 00:49:48,173
Speaker 9: you know, he was God, so to speak. So I

943
00:49:48,213 --> 00:49:50,693
Speaker 9: walked towards him and he was very nicely shook my

944
00:49:50,693 --> 00:49:53,013
Speaker 9: hand and he said, yes, yes, good book, good book.

945
00:49:53,213 --> 00:49:56,773
Speaker 9: But you do know, don't you, that children don't like history,

946
00:49:58,333 --> 00:50:01,333
Speaker 9: And having been a teacher for eight years, I did

947
00:50:01,413 --> 00:50:04,413
Speaker 9: know this was rubbish. There's an awful lot of things

948
00:50:04,733 --> 00:50:09,653
Speaker 9: children don't like, but generally it's because they've not been

949
00:50:09,693 --> 00:50:12,373
Speaker 9: taught very well, or the story hasn't been told very well.

950
00:50:12,453 --> 00:50:16,053
Speaker 9: And you can teach history really well and pass that

951
00:50:16,173 --> 00:50:18,533
Speaker 9: on all the stories of history, which are very important

952
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:20,773
Speaker 9: to all of us. You can do that if you

953
00:50:20,853 --> 00:50:23,293
Speaker 9: tell it well. I didn't like to argue with him

954
00:50:23,293 --> 00:50:25,813
Speaker 9: because I told you he was God, and I knew

955
00:50:25,893 --> 00:50:29,973
Speaker 9: I didn't feel like arguing. But I've always remembered it

956
00:50:29,973 --> 00:50:32,293
Speaker 9: as the reason probably I didn't get the prize is

957
00:50:32,333 --> 00:50:35,533
Speaker 9: that he and maybe some other judges thought, well, actually,

958
00:50:36,093 --> 00:50:40,413
Speaker 9: why should children be interested in the First World War anymore?

959
00:50:41,733 --> 00:50:44,493
Speaker 9: And I think actually they had a point then, and

960
00:50:44,533 --> 00:50:47,813
Speaker 9: that is that a lot of people could get almost

961
00:50:47,933 --> 00:50:50,493
Speaker 9: nostalgic about the First of all War. There were a

962
00:50:50,533 --> 00:50:52,893
Speaker 9: lot of songs, there was oh what a lovely war.

963
00:50:52,933 --> 00:50:55,493
Speaker 9: There was lots and lots of sort of around it.

964
00:50:55,933 --> 00:50:59,613
Speaker 9: There was this glow well you know, we one type thing.

965
00:50:59,613 --> 00:51:02,773
Speaker 9: Well we know, and New Zealanders know, Australians know, everyone

966
00:51:02,813 --> 00:51:04,613
Speaker 9: know that it was not like that at all. This

967
00:51:04,813 --> 00:51:07,813
Speaker 9: is people coming across the seas to fight this war

968
00:51:07,853 --> 00:51:09,813
Speaker 9: against an enemy, and most of them didn't even know

969
00:51:10,253 --> 00:51:13,893
Speaker 9: and it was dreadful. So I don't know. I sort

970
00:51:13,933 --> 00:51:17,693
Speaker 9: of feel that they were right to think that if

971
00:51:17,693 --> 00:51:19,773
Speaker 9: this was another book that was going to join that

972
00:51:19,893 --> 00:51:22,973
Speaker 9: kind of thinking. Well, it isn't. Actually, it's a book

973
00:51:22,973 --> 00:51:26,933
Speaker 9: which is about loss, and it's about finding someone you

974
00:51:27,053 --> 00:51:29,453
Speaker 9: love and longing for that one to be joined up

975
00:51:29,453 --> 00:51:32,213
Speaker 9: with someone you love, which is what happens to all families,

976
00:51:32,253 --> 00:51:35,853
Speaker 9: and indeed horses, and it's about a horse and a boy,

977
00:51:36,093 --> 00:51:38,013
Speaker 9: and the boy going afterward to look for his horse,

978
00:51:38,013 --> 00:51:40,933
Speaker 9: which has been sold away. So I think he was wrong,

979
00:51:41,693 --> 00:51:43,693
Speaker 9: but in a sense I can understand why he said it.

980
00:51:45,013 --> 00:51:46,773
Speaker 2: Finally, Michael, I know we have to let you go

981
00:51:46,813 --> 00:51:49,293
Speaker 2: in a moment, but you mentioned farms for city children,

982
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:51,053
Speaker 2: and I know a lot of our listeners will be

983
00:51:51,093 --> 00:51:52,733
Speaker 2: really interested in it. Can you just tell us how

984
00:51:52,733 --> 00:51:53,173
Speaker 2: it works?

985
00:51:54,213 --> 00:51:57,213
Speaker 9: Sure? Yeah, Well, my wife takes the credit for it.

986
00:51:57,213 --> 00:52:00,813
Speaker 9: Claire started the charity with me about it's almost fifty

987
00:52:00,853 --> 00:52:03,333
Speaker 9: years ago now, and since then we've had one hundred

988
00:52:03,413 --> 00:52:06,653
Speaker 9: thousand kids from the cities, all over this country. And

989
00:52:06,653 --> 00:52:09,413
Speaker 9: what happens is they come with their teachers from primary

990
00:52:09,413 --> 00:52:13,413
Speaker 9: schools about thirty five forty at a time, with their

991
00:52:13,453 --> 00:52:16,613
Speaker 9: teachers and come down first of all to Devin. That's

992
00:52:16,653 --> 00:52:18,693
Speaker 9: where we started the first farm where I'm speaking to

993
00:52:18,693 --> 00:52:20,853
Speaker 9: you from in Italy in the middle of nowhere, north

994
00:52:20,853 --> 00:52:27,173
Speaker 9: seven and they come down from inner city London in

995
00:52:27,173 --> 00:52:30,253
Speaker 9: the first place, and they come down and they'd stay

996
00:52:30,253 --> 00:52:32,893
Speaker 9: for a week. And they wouldn't just look at the

997
00:52:32,933 --> 00:52:36,893
Speaker 9: countryside the how nice, and count the eggs and count

998
00:52:36,933 --> 00:52:41,253
Speaker 9: the sheep. No, no, no, they worked alongside real farmers. The

999
00:52:41,333 --> 00:52:43,573
Speaker 9: farmer on the farm would take them out every single day.

1000
00:52:43,693 --> 00:52:45,973
Speaker 9: I would gout with every single day and we will

1001
00:52:45,973 --> 00:52:49,013
Speaker 9: milk the cows, and we'd move the sheep, and we'd

1002
00:52:49,013 --> 00:52:52,973
Speaker 9: feed the pigs. We'd do everything that needed doing within

1003
00:52:53,213 --> 00:52:57,813
Speaker 9: a working farm. The idea was really that as a teacher,

1004
00:52:57,853 --> 00:52:59,853
Speaker 9: when I'd been teaching and my wife had been teaching,

1005
00:52:59,933 --> 00:53:02,653
Speaker 9: we realized that an awful lot of children in this

1006
00:53:02,733 --> 00:53:06,053
Speaker 9: country I don't know about New Zealand suffer from a

1007
00:53:06,093 --> 00:53:11,333
Speaker 9: pover of experience. They live in a tiny flat, They

1008
00:53:11,333 --> 00:53:13,613
Speaker 9: look out of the window on concrete and tarmac and

1009
00:53:13,853 --> 00:53:16,893
Speaker 9: planes flying overhead. That's the connection very often with the

1010
00:53:16,893 --> 00:53:21,333
Speaker 9: world outside. And we thought because we both had a

1011
00:53:21,373 --> 00:53:25,093
Speaker 9: wonderful opportunity and a younger being in the countryside growing

1012
00:53:25,173 --> 00:53:28,733
Speaker 9: up in it, both of us, and we thought, well,

1013
00:53:28,773 --> 00:53:31,213
Speaker 9: this is the right of every child to have a

1014
00:53:31,253 --> 00:53:34,173
Speaker 9: connection with the world about them. This is their world,

1015
00:53:34,173 --> 00:53:36,293
Speaker 9: it is their world to look after, it's the world

1016
00:53:36,333 --> 00:53:40,453
Speaker 9: that provides their food, and it's a place they've never been.

1017
00:53:41,493 --> 00:53:44,493
Speaker 9: So that was the idea to give them a sense

1018
00:53:44,573 --> 00:53:47,933
Speaker 9: of what there is out there for them so they

1019
00:53:47,933 --> 00:53:51,493
Speaker 9: will value it and understand much more about farming and

1020
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:54,253
Speaker 9: about the countryside and nature, so that when they go

1021
00:53:54,333 --> 00:53:56,813
Speaker 9: out walking down here, they go on and green fields

1022
00:53:56,853 --> 00:53:59,173
Speaker 9: down to the river, they see a salmon jumping, they

1023
00:53:59,213 --> 00:54:01,733
Speaker 9: might see a spray that an otter is left behind.

1024
00:54:01,773 --> 00:54:04,653
Speaker 9: They see a heron lifting off the river, they see

1025
00:54:04,693 --> 00:54:08,533
Speaker 9: buzzards eagles up in the They hire in contact with nature,

1026
00:54:08,653 --> 00:54:10,613
Speaker 9: and since they are part of nature, we thought that

1027
00:54:10,693 --> 00:54:13,733
Speaker 9: was pretty important educationally. So that's what we've been doing

1028
00:54:13,733 --> 00:54:15,813
Speaker 9: all this time with one hundred thousand children, and the

1029
00:54:15,893 --> 00:54:19,493
Speaker 9: charity goes on. It's had a struggle or two because

1030
00:54:19,773 --> 00:54:22,813
Speaker 9: you know, COVID and all all sorts of things, but

1031
00:54:22,933 --> 00:54:24,773
Speaker 9: COVID has been the main stop. We had to stop

1032
00:54:24,813 --> 00:54:27,573
Speaker 9: for a good year and a half for that because

1033
00:54:27,613 --> 00:54:29,653
Speaker 9: the kids couldn't come down, but we started up again

1034
00:54:29,733 --> 00:54:31,373
Speaker 9: and on we go. And as I speak to you

1035
00:54:31,893 --> 00:54:34,413
Speaker 9: in Devon, there's a group of children, thirty five of

1036
00:54:34,453 --> 00:54:36,373
Speaker 9: them just come down yesterday from London.

1037
00:54:36,413 --> 00:54:39,973
Speaker 2: Ah. How wonderful, hey, Michael, thank you so much for

1038
00:54:40,013 --> 00:54:42,333
Speaker 2: giving us your time. There's such a great pleasure to

1039
00:54:42,373 --> 00:54:45,853
Speaker 2: speak with you. And you know, I, yeah, I'm thinking

1040
00:54:45,853 --> 00:54:47,413
Speaker 2: for myselfie, but I know there is a seven year

1041
00:54:47,413 --> 00:54:49,933
Speaker 2: old in our house who's going to be just delighted,

1042
00:54:50,173 --> 00:54:53,253
Speaker 2: absolutely delighted with cobweb. So thank you so much.

1043
00:54:53,853 --> 00:54:55,533
Speaker 9: That's really good. It's very nice to speak to you

1044
00:54:55,573 --> 00:54:57,773
Speaker 9: in New Zealand. I wish I was there my last time,

1045
00:54:57,813 --> 00:55:01,333
Speaker 9: as I went to a wonderful place called Russell. Yeah,

1046
00:55:01,373 --> 00:55:03,893
Speaker 9: I've never forgotten that I had the most extraordinary time.

1047
00:55:04,773 --> 00:55:07,093
Speaker 9: So I have a great deal of time for New Zealand.

1048
00:55:07,093 --> 00:55:09,013
Speaker 9: Except that you play rugby far too well.

1049
00:55:10,373 --> 00:55:12,773
Speaker 2: Well we'll see the Northern Tour is coming up. But

1050
00:55:13,213 --> 00:55:14,973
Speaker 2: thank you so much, Michael. We'd love to have you

1051
00:55:15,013 --> 00:55:16,973
Speaker 2: back again sometime soon and have a great day.

1052
00:55:17,893 --> 00:55:19,413
Speaker 9: Be great all the bests then bye bye.

1053
00:55:19,813 --> 00:55:23,293
Speaker 2: That is Michael Moore Pergo. His latest book is Cobweb.

1054
00:55:23,693 --> 00:55:25,613
Speaker 2: Someone on the textas saying Jack would be able to

1055
00:55:25,613 --> 00:55:29,133
Speaker 2: ask the age range. It's really from eight up. But

1056
00:55:29,413 --> 00:55:31,253
Speaker 2: it is a beautiful book. So if you've got anyone

1057
00:55:31,293 --> 00:55:33,373
Speaker 2: younger than eight, I reckon you could read it to them.

1058
00:55:33,413 --> 00:55:36,133
Speaker 2: But for young readers who are looking to read themselves

1059
00:55:36,453 --> 00:55:38,853
Speaker 2: eight plus Jack, I grew up with Pet Corky's are

1060
00:55:38,853 --> 00:55:41,813
Speaker 2: the best family dog heroes on Little League, says Jay.

1061
00:55:42,253 --> 00:55:43,893
Speaker 2: If you want to send this se message, ninety two.

1062
00:55:43,933 --> 00:55:46,213
Speaker 2: Ninety two is the text number. This morning we'll have

1063
00:55:46,333 --> 00:55:49,893
Speaker 2: all the details for Michael Moore Purgo's Cobweb up on

1064
00:55:49,933 --> 00:55:52,053
Speaker 2: the News talks. He'd be website right now. It is

1065
00:55:52,093 --> 00:55:56,013
Speaker 2: twenty three past ten Jack, two before eleven o'clock on

1066
00:55:56,053 --> 00:55:58,013
Speaker 2: News Talks, heb we're in the garden. It is fluffy

1067
00:55:58,013 --> 00:56:00,213
Speaker 2: bums season. I hate to say it. Rouge climb Pass

1068
00:56:00,253 --> 00:56:01,773
Speaker 2: is going to give us his top tips for getting

1069
00:56:01,773 --> 00:56:05,813
Speaker 2: that under control. Amazon has just become the latest big

1070
00:56:05,893 --> 00:56:08,093
Speaker 2: tech company need to announce that it wants to use

1071
00:56:08,213 --> 00:56:12,013
Speaker 2: nuclear power. Yeah, this is I mean, this is fascinating.

1072
00:56:12,053 --> 00:56:14,653
Speaker 2: So it was Microsoft first, Now Amazon recons can it

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Speaker 2: can use nuclear power as well. It would benefit from

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Speaker 2: having its own nuclear reactors. So we will explain why

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Speaker 2: very shortly. Next up your screen time picks for this weekend.

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Speaker 2: It's twenty four past ten.

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Speaker 7: Just to start your weekend off in style.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tame and vpur it ont code

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Speaker 1: on inst for high quality supplements used talks.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for your text. Jack top interview says Grant,

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00:56:36,813 --> 00:56:40,893
Speaker 2: what an absolute articulate delight. Michael is Jack? Can I

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00:56:40,933 --> 00:56:43,573
Speaker 2: please have the author? It is the cobwebs author is

1083
00:56:43,613 --> 00:56:45,973
Speaker 2: Michael Moore Perko. He's the author of Warhorse as well.

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00:56:46,013 --> 00:56:48,453
Speaker 2: He's the author of basically everything. But we will have

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Speaker 2: all the details on the news talks. He'd be website

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00:56:50,493 --> 00:56:52,293
Speaker 2: if you want to read that book or get it

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Speaker 2: for a little one in your family as well. Right

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00:56:54,973 --> 00:56:57,253
Speaker 2: now it is time to get our screen time picks

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Speaker 2: for this weekend. Tara awards our screen time experts. She

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00:57:00,453 --> 00:57:02,933
Speaker 2: has the tough gig of watching heaps of different shows

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Speaker 2: for watching and streaming that she can recommend to us. Hey, Tara, Jack,

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00:57:06,813 --> 00:57:08,693
Speaker 2: it's a tough job. It is such a tough gig.

1093
00:57:08,813 --> 00:57:10,653
Speaker 2: Someone's got to do it. Someone's got to curl off

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00:57:10,733 --> 00:57:13,293
Speaker 2: on the couch, you know. But the thing is, we

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Speaker 2: have really come to trust your tastes on this front.

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Speaker 2: No pressure. Yeah, so tell us tell us first all

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Speaker 2: this morning about a new show streaming on Disney Plus. Rivals.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: This is one of the most fun shows I've watched

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Speaker 17: in ages. This is the TV adaptation of the Jilly

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00:57:29,093 --> 00:57:31,933
Speaker 17: Cooper book Rivals, which was published in the eighties and

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Speaker 17: has quite a reputation for being a bit of a

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Speaker 17: steamy read. Well, Disney Plus have brought the book to

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Speaker 17: life and given us this really big energy, big hair,

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00:57:40,693 --> 00:57:44,773
Speaker 17: delicious nineteen eighties drama. It comes with a fantastic cast.

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Speaker 17: It stars David Tennant and Aidan Turner. Set in the

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Speaker 17: mid eighties in this upper class English horse riding set

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00:57:52,173 --> 00:57:55,253
Speaker 17: of people, the plot is almost not important, but the

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00:57:55,293 --> 00:57:58,973
Speaker 17: main storyline is about two rival journalists, Rupert Campbell Black

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00:57:59,013 --> 00:58:02,013
Speaker 17: and Tony Baddingham even the names of Fabulous, who are

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00:58:02,573 --> 00:58:05,413
Speaker 17: both very powerful and trying to take each other down

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00:58:05,973 --> 00:58:10,253
Speaker 17: amid all this fabulous nineteen eighties excess of champagne and

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00:58:10,333 --> 00:58:14,253
Speaker 17: concord flying and very indulgent lifestyles. And you know from

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Speaker 17: the opening scene you know where you are with this show.

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Speaker 17: It's about fabulously terrible people doing fabulously terrible things, and

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Speaker 17: it's just having such a great time. It's a romp

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00:58:23,453 --> 00:58:26,013
Speaker 17: of a show. It's a satire. It's got some swagger

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Speaker 17: to it. Obviously, the book was written thirty years ago,

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Speaker 17: so there's stuff in there that you know, is probably

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Speaker 17: a bit problematic from today's perspective, but the show is

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Speaker 17: sort of giving a cheeky link to some of that.

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Speaker 17: It's it's quite self aware, as if to say, look,

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Speaker 17: you know, we wouldn't say these things today, but it

1124
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Speaker 17: was the eighties. That are awful people. We're going to

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Speaker 17: run with it a bit. So I just love this.

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Speaker 17: It's well made, it's well acted, it's over the top,

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Speaker 17: but it's so confident and just so much fun.

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Speaker 2: SUPERB sounds great. That is Rivals. It's on Disney Plus

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Speaker 2: on Neon a show I'm excited about. Tell us about

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Speaker 2: The Diplomat.

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00:58:59,893 --> 00:59:02,173
Speaker 17: Yeah, so this is a BBC drama on Neon, and

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00:59:02,213 --> 00:59:04,773
Speaker 17: there is a show called The Diplomat on Netflix. But

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Speaker 17: this is on Neon and quite different to the other one.

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Speaker 17: But if you're looking for something a bit more sedate

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Speaker 17: and quiet. This is a great choice. This stars Sophie Rundle.

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Speaker 17: It's set in Barcelona and it's about a group of

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Speaker 17: British diplomats who work in the British Consul in Catalonia.

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Speaker 17: So it's their job to help any British citizens who

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00:59:23,693 --> 00:59:26,333
Speaker 17: get into trouble or who need some help. And the

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Speaker 17: series opens with an unexplained death of a British man.

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00:59:29,533 --> 00:59:32,333
Speaker 17: The police think it's an accident, the victim's father think

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Speaker 17: it's murder, and the staff at the console become involved.

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Speaker 17: And so each week, each episode there's a different situation

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Speaker 17: that they need to help with, working with the police

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Speaker 17: and locals. But this is a bit of an unusual

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00:59:44,533 --> 00:59:47,333
Speaker 17: show and that it's not really a political thriller or

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Speaker 17: a spy drama or a murder mystery of the week

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Speaker 17: type show. It's got a bit of it's got elements

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00:59:53,533 --> 00:59:57,013
Speaker 17: of each of those genres in it. So it's very light,

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00:59:57,413 --> 01:00:00,613
Speaker 17: lots of likable characters. I think it will get tenser

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01:00:00,693 --> 01:00:02,813
Speaker 17: as it goes on. But it's filmed in location in

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01:00:02,813 --> 01:00:05,573
Speaker 17: Barcelona as well, which just gives it such a beautiful setting.

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01:00:05,733 --> 01:00:07,733
Speaker 2: Yeah nice, I mean, you can't really go wrong there,

1154
01:00:07,773 --> 01:00:11,533
Speaker 2: can you? And on Prime Video The Office Australia.

1155
01:00:12,653 --> 01:00:16,253
Speaker 17: This is the latest version of the global hit mockumentary

1156
01:00:16,253 --> 01:00:18,933
Speaker 17: comedy series The Office. Of course, it started in the

1157
01:00:19,053 --> 01:00:21,613
Speaker 17: UK with Ricky Gervase, and then we had the very

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01:00:21,613 --> 01:00:24,373
Speaker 17: popular American series with Steve Carrell, and now we've got

1159
01:00:24,373 --> 01:00:27,013
Speaker 17: the Australian version, which has been written and directed by

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01:00:27,373 --> 01:00:30,533
Speaker 17: New Zealander the wonderful Jackie van Beek. Set in the

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Speaker 17: office of a packaging company, and so it feels very

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01:00:33,493 --> 01:00:35,453
Speaker 17: familiar in a lot of ways. It's got all those

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01:00:35,493 --> 01:00:37,893
Speaker 17: traits of the Office, the looks to camera and the

1164
01:00:37,933 --> 01:00:42,493
Speaker 17: awkward silences, those office politics. But the Australian version is

1165
01:00:42,533 --> 01:00:45,213
Speaker 17: a little different in that it features the first female boss,

1166
01:00:45,653 --> 01:00:48,853
Speaker 17: Hannah Howard, who's played by Felicity Ward, and Josh Tchoumpson

1167
01:00:48,893 --> 01:00:50,853
Speaker 17: and Edith Pah are in this as well to other

1168
01:00:50,853 --> 01:00:54,293
Speaker 17: New Zealanders. Now, I'm not a loyal fan of the Office,

1169
01:00:54,293 --> 01:00:56,653
Speaker 17: so my opinion might be different to people who really

1170
01:00:56,693 --> 01:00:59,893
Speaker 17: love the show and are very loyal to a particular franchise.

1171
01:01:00,093 --> 01:01:04,293
Speaker 17: But I liked this. It's not as awkward and uncomfortable

1172
01:01:04,333 --> 01:01:06,173
Speaker 17: as the British one, and I think it's just going

1173
01:01:06,213 --> 01:01:09,173
Speaker 17: to more self assured and sort of find its own

1174
01:01:09,253 --> 01:01:11,653
Speaker 17: niche as it goes on. You know, it feels familiar,

1175
01:01:11,653 --> 01:01:14,213
Speaker 17: but it also feels fresh and there's some genuine laugh

1176
01:01:14,213 --> 01:01:16,413
Speaker 17: out moments, laugh out loud moments in there as well.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic Okay. That's the Office Australia that's on Prime Video.

1178
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Speaker 2: The Diplomat is the one set in Barcelona that's on

1179
01:01:24,093 --> 01:01:26,693
Speaker 2: Neon and on Disney Plus. You can see the one

1180
01:01:26,733 --> 01:01:29,373
Speaker 2: with David Tennant and Aidan Turner that is Rivals. All

1181
01:01:29,413 --> 01:01:31,813
Speaker 2: of those shows up on the News Talks. They'd be website,

1182
01:01:31,853 --> 01:01:32,293
Speaker 2: you know the.

1183
01:01:32,253 --> 01:01:37,893
Speaker 7: Deal getting your weekends started.

1184
01:01:38,093 --> 01:01:42,453
Speaker 1: It's Saturday Morning with Jack Team on newstalksb.

1185
01:01:50,173 --> 01:02:02,093
Speaker 2: Said that you can let it Somebody Energy, Eston Jam

1186
01:02:03,453 --> 01:02:08,333
Speaker 2: do than So Can. Was just twenty one twenty one

1187
01:02:08,333 --> 01:02:11,293
Speaker 2: when the song with Gotcha came out Somebody that I

1188
01:02:11,373 --> 01:02:14,613
Speaker 2: used to know. That was back in twenty eleven. The

1189
01:02:14,733 --> 01:02:18,333
Speaker 2: song was an absolute global smash. It was number one

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Speaker 2: on the charts and years on in Australia, the UK

1191
01:02:21,853 --> 01:02:24,693
Speaker 2: and the US. It took home three Grammys, including Record

1192
01:02:24,733 --> 01:02:28,293
Speaker 2: of the Year. Ain't No Thang. Since then, Kimber's toured

1193
01:02:28,293 --> 01:02:31,933
Speaker 2: the world. She has released so much interesting music and

1194
01:02:32,173 --> 01:02:36,533
Speaker 2: performed in iconic venues including the Sydney Opera House and Anyway.

1195
01:02:36,973 --> 01:02:39,573
Speaker 2: All these years later, the Kiwi muso has just returned

1196
01:02:39,613 --> 01:02:42,733
Speaker 2: to her collaborative roots. She's released a new album. It's

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01:02:42,733 --> 01:02:46,293
Speaker 2: called Idols and Vices, and over the last week while

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01:02:46,333 --> 01:02:48,813
Speaker 2: she's been like sharing a song from the new album

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01:02:48,853 --> 01:02:52,293
Speaker 2: every week, and so we've got the complete collection. We've

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01:02:52,293 --> 01:02:54,733
Speaker 2: got the whole album now, Idols and Vices. How does

1201
01:02:54,773 --> 01:02:56,893
Speaker 2: it sound, you ask, Well, we're going to play you

1202
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Speaker 2: some before midday today. Our music review Atestelle will be

1203
01:02:59,573 --> 01:03:01,213
Speaker 2: in after eleven o'clock as well to give us her

1204
01:03:01,213 --> 01:03:03,213
Speaker 2: thoughts on Kimbra. The thing I like about Kimber is

1205
01:03:03,253 --> 01:03:07,533
Speaker 2: it is there's always there's always a slight twist on

1206
01:03:07,573 --> 01:03:10,693
Speaker 2: her music, like there's beautiful and poppy, but it's interesting.

1207
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Speaker 2: I don't need the language to describe it in any

1208
01:03:15,253 --> 01:03:17,133
Speaker 2: more depth than that, except to say that I always

1209
01:03:17,133 --> 01:03:20,853
Speaker 2: find Kimber's music really interesting. So I'm very much looking

1210
01:03:20,893 --> 01:03:23,853
Speaker 2: forward to listening to that album. Jack, your support for

1211
01:03:23,933 --> 01:03:27,053
Speaker 2: Auckland FC is just further demonstrating you were becoming more

1212
01:03:27,093 --> 01:03:29,573
Speaker 2: and more of an Aucklander versus a one eyed Cantabrian.

1213
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Speaker 8: No comment.

1214
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Speaker 2: Ninety two. If you want to send us a message,

1215
01:03:37,613 --> 01:03:38,613
Speaker 2: it's twenty four to eleven.

1216
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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

1217
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Speaker 9: Is the Greens of met again Darling Tanner will be

1218
01:03:46,133 --> 01:03:48,093
Speaker 9: Walker jumped out of Parliament, which, by the way was

1219
01:03:48,173 --> 01:03:50,933
Speaker 9: unanimous co leaders WA brokers with us. Is it possible

1220
01:03:50,973 --> 01:03:53,053
Speaker 9: you were wrong on the law given you've now used

1221
01:03:53,053 --> 01:03:53,813
Speaker 9: it and seen its.

1222
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:56,773
Speaker 2: Benefits to say that everybody.

1223
01:03:56,373 --> 01:03:59,133
Speaker 13: Should be open to changing their mind when it concunted

1224
01:03:59,253 --> 01:04:02,333
Speaker 13: with complexity or information. That's humanity.

1225
01:04:02,413 --> 01:04:04,853
Speaker 18: That's what evolution is supposed to look like. Mike, I

1226
01:04:04,893 --> 01:04:07,373
Speaker 18: feel really proud of the fact that eighty five dollarsates,

1227
01:04:07,453 --> 01:04:09,933
Speaker 18: having had their own star and deliberative process, that it

1228
01:04:10,053 --> 01:04:13,533
Speaker 18: all came to this conclusion. It was a unanimous insteatus.

1229
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Speaker 14: I think really demonstrates that were as a party in

1230
01:04:15,853 --> 01:04:17,293
Speaker 14: moving towards together on this issue.

1231
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Speaker 9: Back Monday from six am, the Mike asking breakfast with

1232
01:04:20,693 --> 01:04:22,973
Speaker 9: the Rain driver of the LA Newstalk ZB.

1233
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Speaker 2: Twenty one to eleven non news Talk ZEDB. So you

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01:04:26,293 --> 01:04:29,573
Speaker 2: know the sprint qualifying is underway at the moment in

1235
01:04:29,613 --> 01:04:31,493
Speaker 2: the F one. So Liam Maawson has been out on

1236
01:04:31,493 --> 01:04:32,973
Speaker 2: the track. I'll let you know how it goes. There's

1237
01:04:32,973 --> 01:04:35,533
Speaker 2: only a couple of minutes left in the sprint qualifying

1238
01:04:35,533 --> 01:04:36,853
Speaker 2: at the moment, so I'll let you know how that

1239
01:04:36,893 --> 01:04:39,093
Speaker 2: all ends up. Time to catch up with our textbook.

1240
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Speaker 2: Paul Stenhouse, who's will with us this morning with details

1241
01:04:41,933 --> 01:04:45,493
Speaker 2: on how Amazon has decided to join various other top

1242
01:04:45,533 --> 01:04:48,413
Speaker 2: tech firms with a forura into nuclear power.

1243
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Speaker 14: Paul, it seems to be just what the big tech

1244
01:04:52,013 --> 01:04:54,013
Speaker 14: companies do now, Jack. If you want to be a

1245
01:04:54,013 --> 01:04:56,493
Speaker 14: big tech company, you've got to somehow be involved in

1246
01:04:56,533 --> 01:05:00,293
Speaker 14: the sector. Because thyes spending a ton of money to

1247
01:05:00,333 --> 01:05:03,173
Speaker 14: partner with a company to look at developing what they're

1248
01:05:03,173 --> 01:05:09,093
Speaker 14: calling small modular nuclear reactors, so basically not massive power plants,

1249
01:05:09,173 --> 01:05:11,253
Speaker 14: kind of like maybe you have in your head or

1250
01:05:11,253 --> 01:05:13,093
Speaker 14: what you've seen in the past. But they're trying to

1251
01:05:13,133 --> 01:05:17,133
Speaker 14: think how to do smaller nuclear reactors, which I can

1252
01:05:17,173 --> 01:05:19,173
Speaker 14: only guess they will want to try to put close

1253
01:05:19,213 --> 01:05:21,973
Speaker 14: to their data centers. And it's all because of our

1254
01:05:22,053 --> 01:05:26,813
Speaker 14: good friend AI. They just need so much computing power

1255
01:05:26,893 --> 01:05:30,933
Speaker 14: to make AI happen, and that obviously requires bundles of energy.

1256
01:05:31,453 --> 01:05:35,333
Speaker 14: And Virginia, the state in America where there are a

1257
01:05:35,413 --> 01:05:37,693
Speaker 14: ton of data centers. It's kind of like where Amazon,

1258
01:05:37,733 --> 01:05:40,053
Speaker 14: I think at one of its first big cloud data centers,

1259
01:05:40,053 --> 01:05:44,173
Speaker 14: East One, as it's known. The power demand in Virginia,

1260
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Speaker 14: it's growing at five percent year over year. They are

1261
01:05:47,413 --> 01:05:51,853
Speaker 14: expecting that by twenty forty they're going to need double

1262
01:05:51,933 --> 01:05:55,453
Speaker 14: the amount of energy then right now, so real there's

1263
01:05:55,533 --> 01:05:58,453
Speaker 14: quite a problem, right, and so they're not only looking

1264
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Speaker 14: at how to do this with this one firm, but

1265
01:06:00,373 --> 01:06:03,893
Speaker 14: they're also putting well, they've gone on a financing round,

1266
01:06:03,893 --> 01:06:07,373
Speaker 14: a half a billion dollar financing round with a private

1267
01:06:07,413 --> 01:06:10,493
Speaker 14: company who wants to open four of these same small

1268
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Speaker 14: nuclear reactors on the West coast. Right, they're a little

1269
01:06:14,133 --> 01:06:17,213
Speaker 14: further along, but huge amounts of dollars in there.

1270
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Speaker 10: And the Wall Street Journal kind of said something interesting.

1271
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Speaker 14: We talked about it a couple of weeks when we

1272
01:06:21,773 --> 01:06:23,853
Speaker 14: talked about the Microsoft deal. But there seems to be

1273
01:06:23,893 --> 01:06:28,013
Speaker 14: are in naissance of nuclear power because if we want

1274
01:06:28,013 --> 01:06:30,693
Speaker 14: to do the AI thing, we're going to need a

1275
01:06:30,893 --> 01:06:35,293
Speaker 14: ton of power, and nuclear obviously is an incredible source

1276
01:06:35,373 --> 01:06:38,093
Speaker 14: of clean energy when it all goes.

1277
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Speaker 2: Well, yes, yeah, yeah, and not forgetting that there is

1278
01:06:40,653 --> 01:06:42,613
Speaker 2: always a bit of nuclear waste as well. But yeah,

1279
01:06:42,853 --> 01:06:46,133
Speaker 2: I mean that it is amazing. Speaking of Amazon, they're

1280
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Speaker 2: now going to be delivering election night news.

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Speaker 10: Yes, you can get your packages delivered by Amazon, and

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01:06:51,293 --> 01:06:52,973
Speaker 10: now you can turn on the TV and you can

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Speaker 10: understand what's happening in the election in the United States.

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Speaker 10: I was surprised about this one because most of these

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Speaker 10: streamers have really tried to steer clear of news and

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Speaker 10: all of the kind of.

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Speaker 14: You know, commentary that goes alongside it. But their Prime

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Speaker 14: Video service is going to have the former NBC broadcast

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Speaker 14: of Brian Williams hosting. They say that the coverage will

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Speaker 14: be informative, accessible and non partisan. I look forward to

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Speaker 14: seeing how they do it, but they will. They say

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Speaker 14: they're going to be referencing third party news sources across

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Speaker 14: all the political affiliations. So I'm kind of wondering if

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Speaker 14: the way they're going to set it up is Brian

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Speaker 14: Williams kind of going to be like a guide or

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Speaker 14: a sherpet to all of this information that's being presented.

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Speaker 14: He's gonna show us a bit over here from Fox

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Speaker 14: and a bit over here from MSNBC, and here's what

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Speaker 14: the New York Times dial is saying, I don't know,

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Speaker 14: but I can only guess if that's how they're trying

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Speaker 14: to keep this as non partisan as possible.

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Speaker 2: But interesting, Yeah, no, it is interesting. It is interesting,

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01:07:52,573 --> 01:07:54,213
Speaker 2: and yeah, the proof of the pudding is in the eating.

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Speaker 2: But it feels like this is the kind of no

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Speaker 2: non partisan media in America right now. So yeah, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, Paul. We will catch you soon. That's

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Speaker 2: our texpert. Paul Stenhouse road climb passes in the garden

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01:08:04,813 --> 01:08:07,613
Speaker 2: before leaven o'clock for us with his tip on getting

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Speaker 2: rid of the fluffy bums and your place as all

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Speaker 2: of the spring planting is underway. At seventeen minutes to eleven,

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Speaker 2: no bitter way to kick.

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Speaker 3: Off your weekend.

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Speaker 1: Then with Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay and bepewur

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Speaker 2: According to eleven on newstalk EDB, doctor Brian Becky is

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Speaker 2: with us this morning and he is focusing on gout

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Speaker 2: and there's some really interesting new data, Brian. A major

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Speaker 2: international study with more than two and a half million people,

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Speaker 2: led by the University of Otago researchers has found that

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Speaker 2: gout is a chronic illness for which genetics are a

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01:08:44,293 --> 01:08:45,013
Speaker 2: major cause.

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Speaker 19: This is a bit of a surprise, right, Well, look,

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Speaker 19: we've alreadys suspected that was the case. You know, traditionally

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Speaker 19: often people have thought of gout as you think of

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Speaker 19: the English king who sort of overweighth drinking port, legs

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Speaker 19: venison and is laid.

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Speaker 20: Up with gout and suffers from gout. So this lifestyle

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Speaker 20: issue has always been this factor that's run around that

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Speaker 20: you can model fire go out by reducing or changing

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Speaker 20: your lifestyle or what you do. What this study actually says,

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Speaker 20: and it was a large study with about two and

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Speaker 20: a half million people, has said, well, look, primarily what's

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Speaker 20: going on is your genes are causing the problem. They're

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Speaker 20: causing you to have too much uric acid in your blood.

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Speaker 20: And actually lifestyle changes, although they are important in stopping

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Speaker 20: a cute gout attacks, they don't lower your uric acid level,

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Speaker 20: so they can't cure the gout.

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Speaker 4: So that's the big, big shift.

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Speaker 20: So moving away from saying lifestyle as or reason gout

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Speaker 20: occurs and yeah, pretty important.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so let's just go back to basis. Remind us

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Speaker 2: what is gaut.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, so gout is when we've got too much of

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Speaker 20: the stuff called uric acid flowing around in our blood streams.

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Speaker 20: The body produces uric acid as part of its metabolism,

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Speaker 20: and we also invest uric acid through certain foods. Now,

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Speaker 20: if you have too much of it, what can actually

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Speaker 20: happen is the uric acid can deposit little salts and joints.

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Speaker 20: Happens is the uric acid goes into a joint, and

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Speaker 20: typically where we see it is the joint that's at

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Speaker 20: the base of the big toe. And suddenly these crystals

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Speaker 20: form in the joint. The body reacts to that with

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Speaker 20: immune response, and suddenly you get this very very painful, swollen,

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Speaker 20: red joint that's really really debilitating, and it just pops

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Speaker 20: out of the blue. Yeah, and then we have to

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Speaker 20: treat it. So look really really really awful when it occurs.

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Speaker 20: And for anyone who's had gout, I know exactly what

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Speaker 20: I'm talking about, And yeah, a very nasty, nasty condition.

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Speaker 21: When you get.

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Speaker 2: It, it sounds like super painful. I know a few

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Speaker 2: people have had it and they just talk of their

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01:10:44,333 --> 01:10:48,493
Speaker 2: like it. It's really shocking how painful it actually is.

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Speaker 2: Like even if you just have a tiny bit of cloth,

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Speaker 2: you know, like on a on a joint or something,

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01:10:52,693 --> 01:10:54,733
Speaker 2: or like putting on a sock. If you have gout

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Speaker 2: in your big toe is absolutely off agonizing. Yeah, look

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Speaker 2: at it.

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Speaker 20: And then so people come into the surgery with cute

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Speaker 20: gut attacks and they limp up into the room and

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Speaker 20: they can't put their foot down and they can't shoe,

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Speaker 20: and they talk about at night they can't put sheets

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Speaker 20: on the toe because all the joint because it's just

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Speaker 20: so so painful. So you're very, very unpleasant and unforgettable.

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Speaker 20: If you have a gout attack, you'll remember it for life.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's stuff. It's tough. Okay. So for those of

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Speaker 2: us who know that there is a bit of gout

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Speaker 2: in the family, are there lifestyle causes that can trigger it? Like,

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Speaker 2: are there things that I'm going to need to look

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Speaker 2: out for, because I'm going to warn you right now, Brian.

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Speaker 2: Ours is a family that likes ice cream, It likes cheese,

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Speaker 2: it likes seafood, it likes all of those all other

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Speaker 2: good things.

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Speaker 20: Look. Look, look, it's important to have a healthy lifestyle.

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Speaker 20: So we've got to say that. But up from what

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Speaker 20: this study is saying to us, Look, if you're predisposed

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Speaker 20: to gout because your uric acid is too high. Regardless

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Speaker 20: of what you do with your lifestyle, you know, you

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Speaker 20: stop those things that actually give us uric acid. So

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Speaker 20: that's basically red meat. Things like shellfish, alcohol, sugary drinks

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Speaker 20: like our carbonated sugary drinks. They can give us more

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Speaker 20: uric acid and cause the gout to occur. But the

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Speaker 20: fact of the matter is if you get rid of

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Speaker 20: all those things and stop all those things, if you've

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Speaker 20: got to underline predispicient gout, it won't let it lower

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Speaker 20: your uric acid to a level that you won't get

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Speaker 20: the gout. So yeah, you can change, you can modify

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01:12:25,973 --> 01:12:29,293
Speaker 20: those life those factors which can trigger gut, but they

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Speaker 20: won't reduce your overall uric acid and they won't reduce

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Speaker 20: your risk over time of getting out. So that's the

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Speaker 20: big difference.

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01:12:36,773 --> 01:12:38,653
Speaker 2: Why does it affect more men than women?

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Speaker 20: Yeah, look that's a good question. So really what the

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Speaker 20: study is pointing to it's biological factors. So again it's

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01:12:46,453 --> 01:12:49,453
Speaker 20: the genetics men versus women that that tend to produce

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01:12:49,453 --> 01:12:52,813
Speaker 20: a higher uric acid and also in some cases kidney

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Speaker 20: disease itself. Because uric acid has got rid of through

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Speaker 20: the kidneys can actually produce this kidney this condition. The

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01:12:59,853 --> 01:13:02,853
Speaker 20: other important, really important thing to note is that Maori

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Speaker 20: and Pacifica peoples have four to six times the rate

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Speaker 20: of gouts. So it is particularly prevalent across New Zealand

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01:13:14,373 --> 01:13:18,893
Speaker 20: and because again driven by this genetic sort of predisposition

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01:13:18,973 --> 01:13:20,293
Speaker 20: to gout that we see.

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Speaker 2: So what do you do about it?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 20: So look, I mean, look, there's no doubt that if

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Speaker 20: you predispose the gout and you have a big feed

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01:13:29,133 --> 01:13:31,853
Speaker 20: of oisters or something, often that's what triggers agout because

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01:13:31,853 --> 01:13:34,933
Speaker 20: you put extra uric acid into an underlying high level

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01:13:34,973 --> 01:13:37,853
Speaker 20: and it will precipitate the gout. So look, just avoiding

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01:13:37,893 --> 01:13:41,333
Speaker 20: certain foods will lessen the frequency of gout attacks, but

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01:13:41,413 --> 01:13:43,293
Speaker 20: it won't get rid of the gout. So look, for

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Speaker 20: most people, you need to take medication to lower your

1424
01:13:47,373 --> 01:13:51,013
Speaker 20: uric acid level. That's a medication that's commonly called alipurinol.

1425
01:13:51,573 --> 01:13:54,013
Speaker 20: You need to take it once a day essentially once

1426
01:13:54,053 --> 01:13:56,013
Speaker 20: you're on it, and you need to take it for life.

1427
01:13:56,053 --> 01:14:00,253
Speaker 20: And what alipuranol does very effectively is lower the underlying

1428
01:14:00,333 --> 01:14:03,853
Speaker 20: level of the uric acid and reduces your chances of

1429
01:14:03,893 --> 01:14:07,053
Speaker 20: getting the gout prevents the gout, so look at most cases.

1430
01:14:07,053 --> 01:14:10,413
Speaker 20: To be honest, Jack, it comes down to medication.

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01:14:10,773 --> 01:14:13,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, hey, thanks for your tome, Brian. We really

1432
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Speaker 2: appreciate it. As ever, we'll put all of Brian's tips

1433
01:14:15,853 --> 01:14:17,893
Speaker 2: and information there on the news talks. He'd be website

1434
01:14:17,973 --> 01:14:20,693
Speaker 2: just to update you on the f one. So they've

1435
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Speaker 2: just had qualifying for the first sprint race. Good news.

1436
01:14:25,013 --> 01:14:27,853
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson has qualified. So there are twenty races, they

1437
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Speaker 2: only take the top fifteen. Liam Lawson has qualified thirteenth.

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01:14:31,973 --> 01:14:35,573
Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing though, he beat his teammate Yuki Sonoda.

1439
01:14:35,733 --> 01:14:38,573
Speaker 2: Not only that, he beat the Australian F one driver

1440
01:14:38,693 --> 01:14:41,413
Speaker 2: Oscar Piastre who came in sixteenth and was knocked out

1441
01:14:41,453 --> 01:14:44,573
Speaker 2: as well. So a really solid first outing in that

1442
01:14:44,653 --> 01:14:47,333
Speaker 2: first qualifying. It's nine to eleven on news Talks, he'd be.

1443
01:14:47,933 --> 01:14:49,453
Speaker 3: Going with still sharp.

1444
01:14:49,573 --> 01:14:52,013
Speaker 7: Don't list their biggest spring sale ever.

1445
01:14:52,453 --> 01:14:53,933
Speaker 2: Route climb passes in the garden.

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01:14:54,053 --> 01:14:57,973
Speaker 13: Hey rude, hello, my friend, have you looked at your

1447
01:14:57,973 --> 01:14:59,253
Speaker 13: guard yet for passion fine.

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01:14:59,133 --> 01:15:01,733
Speaker 2: Hopper, I have, I've looked. I haven't seen them yet,

1449
01:15:01,733 --> 01:15:03,653
Speaker 2: but I suspect there might be a few eggs, And

1450
01:15:03,693 --> 01:15:05,893
Speaker 2: to be honest, I'm leaving town for a couple of

1451
01:15:05,933 --> 01:15:08,253
Speaker 2: weeks here to the US this week to cover the election.

1452
01:15:08,373 --> 01:15:11,573
Speaker 2: We're going to be broadcasting Nickwig from the US. But

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01:15:12,293 --> 01:15:14,733
Speaker 2: I'm not totally confident that I can rely on my

1454
01:15:14,733 --> 01:15:16,533
Speaker 2: wife's support to go out and get all the passion

1455
01:15:16,613 --> 01:15:19,053
Speaker 2: Ryan hoppers while I'm away, so I could have something

1456
01:15:19,093 --> 01:15:21,533
Speaker 2: an nasty surprise that awaits me when I return.

1457
01:15:22,773 --> 01:15:24,893
Speaker 13: No, I think he'll be right, because usually it's at

1458
01:15:24,933 --> 01:15:27,013
Speaker 13: the end of this month. But I just want to

1459
01:15:27,013 --> 01:15:29,333
Speaker 13: be ahead of people that are listening and have problems

1460
01:15:29,333 --> 01:15:31,453
Speaker 13: with these things. And also I just want to say

1461
01:15:31,693 --> 01:15:34,293
Speaker 13: we found them now in christ Church to little rotters.

1462
01:15:34,733 --> 01:15:37,693
Speaker 13: They're about yeah, they're about one hundred meters away from.

1463
01:15:37,573 --> 01:15:41,253
Speaker 5: My house, bugger, so yeah, yeah, there you go.

1464
01:15:41,613 --> 01:15:44,413
Speaker 13: Anyway, these are those lazy when moths people call them.

1465
01:15:44,453 --> 01:15:48,293
Speaker 13: They're actually suck sucking bugs actually, and the passion rine

1466
01:15:48,293 --> 01:15:51,853
Speaker 13: offers and they come out let's say October November about

1467
01:15:51,853 --> 01:15:52,813
Speaker 13: this time that they.

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Speaker 5: Start to hatch.

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01:15:54,133 --> 01:15:55,973
Speaker 13: And at the moment you might not see anything, but

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01:15:56,013 --> 01:15:59,093
Speaker 13: if you keep looking on the new plants that they

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01:15:59,253 --> 01:16:02,293
Speaker 13: like to sit on, you know their favorite their favorite

1472
01:16:02,293 --> 01:16:07,213
Speaker 13: hosts have a look, because once they're really young, this

1473
01:16:07,293 --> 01:16:09,333
Speaker 13: is really good. You can actually spray them with a

1474
01:16:09,493 --> 01:16:13,573
Speaker 13: really cool insecticide, just simply from a and if you

1475
01:16:13,693 --> 01:16:17,333
Speaker 13: like a fly spray right. And the reason is they're

1476
01:16:17,373 --> 01:16:20,573
Speaker 13: so small they can't jump away, and if they do

1477
01:16:20,733 --> 01:16:23,893
Speaker 13: jump away, they jump through the clothes that you made

1478
01:16:24,053 --> 01:16:25,093
Speaker 13: in front of their house.

1479
01:16:25,453 --> 01:16:29,333
Speaker 2: Ah yeah, okay, so if I've made.

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Speaker 13: That clothes, yeah, well this is the point. If you

1481
01:16:32,733 --> 01:16:34,613
Speaker 13: if you're away that that can be a bit tricky.

1482
01:16:34,653 --> 01:16:36,973
Speaker 13: But if you're you might find if it's a bit later,

1483
01:16:37,173 --> 01:16:40,053
Speaker 13: you can still do that because before they become too big,

1484
01:16:40,333 --> 01:16:43,213
Speaker 13: you can actually hammer them with that particular aerosol can.

1485
01:16:43,453 --> 01:16:46,693
Speaker 13: It's very simple. So that is the number one thing

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01:16:46,773 --> 01:16:48,333
Speaker 13: for now, and I think a lot of people in

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01:16:48,373 --> 01:16:50,573
Speaker 13: the Northounds they know also in the Southounds will need

1488
01:16:50,613 --> 01:16:52,933
Speaker 13: to know all this. There's of course another thing later

1489
01:16:53,013 --> 01:16:54,773
Speaker 13: on in the year that you can actually get the

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01:16:54,853 --> 01:16:57,093
Speaker 13: eggs out, but I'll talk about that when it happens

1491
01:16:57,413 --> 01:17:00,333
Speaker 13: in autumn time. That is a different gig again. But

1492
01:17:00,573 --> 01:17:03,253
Speaker 13: don't forget just a simple aerosol can that you use

1493
01:17:03,293 --> 01:17:05,533
Speaker 13: for flyesprey will do it and make the cloud do

1494
01:17:05,653 --> 01:17:08,733
Speaker 13: it on a nice wind still morning with the cloud

1495
01:17:08,813 --> 01:17:12,733
Speaker 13: stays in front of their little little favorite host plant,

1496
01:17:12,813 --> 01:17:13,413
Speaker 13: you know what I mean.

1497
01:17:13,533 --> 01:17:16,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like it won't it won't poison my passion

1498
01:17:16,613 --> 01:17:18,173
Speaker 2: for it. I know that seems silly, but they won't.

1499
01:17:18,213 --> 01:17:19,653
Speaker 2: It's not gonna it's not going to come.

1500
01:17:19,653 --> 01:17:22,973
Speaker 13: Back to get me, I'll tell you, because that as

1501
01:17:23,133 --> 01:17:26,013
Speaker 13: that spray will be gone in probably twenty four hours

1502
01:17:26,013 --> 01:17:30,213
Speaker 13: in terms of residual action. But the stuff that went

1503
01:17:30,253 --> 01:17:33,013
Speaker 13: on their bodies will stay on their bodies.

1504
01:17:33,133 --> 01:17:33,813
Speaker 20: And that's just a.

1505
01:17:33,773 --> 01:17:34,733
Speaker 2: Good thing, very good.

1506
01:17:34,773 --> 01:17:36,853
Speaker 13: So no, there's no no hassles with that at all.

1507
01:17:36,933 --> 01:17:39,493
Speaker 2: Okay, very good, Thank you, sir. Road climb passed in

1508
01:17:39,573 --> 01:17:42,013
Speaker 2: the garden for us. Will put his little advice there

1509
01:17:42,093 --> 01:17:44,733
Speaker 2: up on the news talks. He'd be website. The Sprint

1510
01:17:44,813 --> 01:17:48,813
Speaker 2: qualifying two has just begun in the US Grand Prix.

1511
01:17:48,893 --> 01:17:51,333
Speaker 2: I'll let you know how Liam Lawson goes and his

1512
01:17:51,613 --> 01:17:55,133
Speaker 2: second qualifying session very shortly. It is almost eleven o'clock though.

1513
01:17:55,413 --> 01:17:57,933
Speaker 2: News is next Saturday morning. I'm Jack taym and this

1514
01:17:58,093 --> 01:17:59,093
Speaker 2: is news Dogs. He'd be.

1515
01:18:04,653 --> 01:18:08,373
Speaker 1: Saturday Mornings with Jack Tay keeping the conversation going through

1516
01:18:08,413 --> 01:18:11,613
Speaker 1: the weekend with Bpure dot co dot inst for high

1517
01:18:11,733 --> 01:18:22,053
Speaker 1: quality supplements used talk sb.

1518
01:18:36,973 --> 01:18:40,173
Speaker 2: Ah tell you what this if one ark? Oh, she's

1519
01:18:40,213 --> 01:18:43,813
Speaker 2: a rollercoaster. So the way it works for the sprint race,

1520
01:18:43,893 --> 01:18:45,773
Speaker 2: not to be confused with the main Grand Prix this

1521
01:18:45,853 --> 01:18:48,133
Speaker 2: weekend in the US, is for the sprint race that

1522
01:18:48,173 --> 01:18:49,973
Speaker 2: they have first, which is only about one hundred k's

1523
01:18:49,973 --> 01:18:51,493
Speaker 2: which of course they do in f one cars in

1524
01:18:51,533 --> 01:18:55,173
Speaker 2: about five minutes. They only have ten cars racing, so

1525
01:18:55,173 --> 01:18:56,853
Speaker 2: for the Grand Prix they have twenty cars. For the

1526
01:18:56,893 --> 01:18:59,173
Speaker 2: sprint race they have ten cars. And to qualify for

1527
01:18:59,213 --> 01:19:02,693
Speaker 2: the sprint race, they have two very quick sprint qualifiers.

1528
01:19:03,093 --> 01:19:05,853
Speaker 2: So in the first sprint qualifier they eliminate five cars.

1529
01:19:05,853 --> 01:19:08,413
Speaker 2: In the second they eliminate another five cars. Therefore, from

1530
01:19:08,413 --> 01:19:10,853
Speaker 2: twenty drivers they end up with ten. In the first

1531
01:19:10,893 --> 01:19:15,013
Speaker 2: sprint qualifier, Liam Lawson did really well. He pipped Yuki

1532
01:19:15,053 --> 01:19:18,733
Speaker 2: Sonoda and his teammate and so he made it into

1533
01:19:18,733 --> 01:19:23,333
Speaker 2: the final fifteen. In the second sprint qualifier, though Yuki

1534
01:19:23,373 --> 01:19:27,333
Speaker 2: Sonoda snuck into the top ten, Liam Lawson unfortunately didn't.

1535
01:19:27,373 --> 01:19:29,813
Speaker 2: He finished either twelfth or thirteenth, so he won't qualify

1536
01:19:30,093 --> 01:19:31,773
Speaker 2: for the sprint race. Still, it was a pretty it

1537
01:19:31,773 --> 01:19:35,293
Speaker 2: has to be said, pretty respectable outing. He was only

1538
01:19:35,773 --> 01:19:38,533
Speaker 2: like a fraction of a second behind Sergio Perez, who

1539
01:19:38,573 --> 01:19:40,413
Speaker 2: was racing in the Red Bull car, which is of

1540
01:19:40,413 --> 01:19:44,853
Speaker 2: course the brother or sister team to the one that

1541
01:19:44,893 --> 01:19:47,253
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson is racing in. So to be that close

1542
01:19:47,293 --> 01:19:50,533
Speaker 2: to one of the top team drivers is apparently impressive.

1543
01:19:51,133 --> 01:19:54,413
Speaker 2: But yeah, a little bit disappointing that he just just

1544
01:19:54,413 --> 01:19:56,373
Speaker 2: missed out on that race, but still a pretty solid

1545
01:19:56,373 --> 01:19:59,133
Speaker 2: first outing. Now, before twelve o'clock on news Talk tob

1546
01:19:59,213 --> 01:20:01,133
Speaker 2: we are going to play you some of Kimber's new album.

1547
01:20:01,573 --> 01:20:05,093
Speaker 2: Kimber is I just think a really interesting, unique New

1548
01:20:05,213 --> 01:20:09,693
Speaker 2: Zealand pop musician and she's kind of gone about her

1549
01:20:09,733 --> 01:20:11,893
Speaker 2: new album in quite an intriguing way in that she

1550
01:20:11,973 --> 01:20:15,613
Speaker 2: has been drip feeding it over a couple of months now.

1551
01:20:15,653 --> 01:20:18,013
Speaker 2: She started in July putting out a new song every week.

1552
01:20:18,453 --> 01:20:20,053
Speaker 2: We now have the full album. We're going to play

1553
01:20:20,053 --> 01:20:21,813
Speaker 2: you a couple of those songs before midday. Get our

1554
01:20:21,893 --> 01:20:25,053
Speaker 2: music reviews thoughts on that. Right now, though it is

1555
01:20:25,173 --> 01:20:29,053
Speaker 2: nine minutes past eleven, Jack Team and Google Sutherland are

1556
01:20:29,133 --> 01:20:32,093
Speaker 2: clinical psychologist from Umbrella Wellbeing is with us this morning.

1557
01:20:32,133 --> 01:20:35,893
Speaker 5: Canter Google cured, mister Tame, how are you this morning.

1558
01:20:36,053 --> 01:20:37,493
Speaker 2: Very very well. Thank you. How are you Are you

1559
01:20:37,493 --> 01:20:39,813
Speaker 2: into E F one? Is that your scene?

1560
01:20:40,253 --> 01:20:43,813
Speaker 5: Look? I never was a part until you know, I

1561
01:20:43,853 --> 01:20:47,493
Speaker 5: started watching the Drive to Survive. I'm exactly and yeah,

1562
01:20:47,533 --> 01:20:50,213
Speaker 5: and now it's like, oh yeah, I know all about that,

1563
01:20:51,493 --> 01:20:54,333
Speaker 5: So yes, I was interested. You're listening to it, to

1564
01:20:54,373 --> 01:20:59,213
Speaker 5: the ups and downs of his progress. Yeah, yeah, I

1565
01:20:59,293 --> 01:21:01,093
Speaker 5: think I think it sounds like respectable.

1566
01:21:01,253 --> 01:21:03,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even need to really be into racing that,

1567
01:21:03,813 --> 01:21:06,333
Speaker 2: you know. I can kind of just appreciate the interperson

1568
01:21:06,413 --> 01:21:08,293
Speaker 2: and all drama of it all and then see how

1569
01:21:08,333 --> 01:21:10,653
Speaker 2: Liam Lawson conducts himself and feel kind of proud about

1570
01:21:10,653 --> 01:21:11,133
Speaker 2: it with this.

1571
01:21:13,533 --> 01:21:14,653
Speaker 12: Yeah, the racing is.

1572
01:21:14,853 --> 01:21:16,973
Speaker 5: The racing is a sort of a side.

1573
01:21:16,653 --> 01:21:19,733
Speaker 2: Total sort of the money and the clamor and everything else.

1574
01:21:19,853 --> 01:21:20,053
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1575
01:21:20,133 --> 01:21:22,973
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, absolutely done a great job of marketing it.

1576
01:21:23,133 --> 01:21:25,213
Speaker 2: They have, they really have. It's amazing how those TV

1577
01:21:25,333 --> 01:21:28,173
Speaker 2: shows like Drive to Survive, Tour de France unchained. It's

1578
01:21:28,173 --> 01:21:31,933
Speaker 2: amazing how they've kind of rejuvenated interest in those sports. Yeah.

1579
01:21:32,253 --> 01:21:33,333
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely.

1580
01:21:33,853 --> 01:21:37,293
Speaker 2: Anyway, we digress. This is this is You've got some

1581
01:21:37,773 --> 01:21:40,813
Speaker 2: really interesting new research for us this morning that looks

1582
01:21:41,013 --> 01:21:44,973
Speaker 2: at the connections or relationship between stress and the gut,

1583
01:21:45,133 --> 01:21:49,053
Speaker 2: and it can probably best be summarized as saying, worrying

1584
01:21:49,453 --> 01:21:52,133
Speaker 2: does indeed make you sick, so you can worry yourself set.

1585
01:21:52,333 --> 01:21:52,733
Speaker 2: Is that fair?

1586
01:21:54,373 --> 01:21:56,933
Speaker 5: I think it is. And I was intrigued to read

1587
01:21:56,973 --> 01:22:00,293
Speaker 5: this because when I was a young teen I remember,

1588
01:22:00,413 --> 01:22:05,053
Speaker 5: I had all these stomach unexplained stomach issues, and I

1589
01:22:05,093 --> 01:22:06,973
Speaker 5: had a sore stomach and I wake up in the

1590
01:22:07,013 --> 01:22:10,253
Speaker 5: morning with a sore gut, and nobody could really figure

1591
01:22:10,293 --> 01:22:12,453
Speaker 5: it out. And I was going to the doctor and

1592
01:22:12,573 --> 01:22:15,893
Speaker 5: doing all these tests and this sort of thing. And

1593
01:22:16,613 --> 01:22:18,533
Speaker 5: I mean, at the time, I knew that I was

1594
01:22:18,573 --> 01:22:21,093
Speaker 5: a bit anxious and a bit worried about I don't

1595
01:22:21,093 --> 01:22:22,413
Speaker 5: even know what it was at the time, you know,

1596
01:22:22,453 --> 01:22:25,093
Speaker 5: typical teenage things, probably girlfriends and friends and that kind

1597
01:22:25,133 --> 01:22:29,733
Speaker 5: of thing. But but I think now, looking back in hindsight,

1598
01:22:30,053 --> 01:22:34,173
Speaker 5: that anxiety, that stress that I was experiencing was causing

1599
01:22:34,293 --> 01:22:40,413
Speaker 5: my stomach pain. Yeah, and this this research is sort

1600
01:22:40,413 --> 01:22:44,533
Speaker 5: of highlighting how that link really works. So it's fascinating stuff.

1601
01:22:44,613 --> 01:22:48,893
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, that's really that's very intriguing. So so basically,

1602
01:22:50,093 --> 01:22:52,253
Speaker 2: you know, I think I think we're starting to get

1603
01:22:52,253 --> 01:22:56,053
Speaker 2: a better understanding right of how gut health affects our

1604
01:22:56,693 --> 01:23:00,853
Speaker 2: body health. But these researchers have found that by taking

1605
01:23:00,853 --> 01:23:03,733
Speaker 2: out a couple of glands and mice that that line

1606
01:23:03,773 --> 01:23:06,973
Speaker 2: the walls of the small and testine, it kind of

1607
01:23:07,013 --> 01:23:10,453
Speaker 2: has triggered inflammation and the chances that they would then

1608
01:23:10,493 --> 01:23:12,293
Speaker 2: get sick or get a kind of infection and the

1609
01:23:12,333 --> 01:23:16,453
Speaker 2: same thing happens to people as well. All can happen

1610
01:23:16,453 --> 01:23:17,133
Speaker 2: to people as well.

1611
01:23:18,453 --> 01:23:20,693
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's right, So it's that link between They found

1612
01:23:20,733 --> 01:23:23,053
Speaker 5: a gland. If you don't have the gland, you get it,

1613
01:23:23,213 --> 01:23:26,213
Speaker 5: you get inflammation in your stomach. And they found that

1614
01:23:26,213 --> 01:23:30,613
Speaker 5: that's because there's a reduction in good gut bacteria that

1615
01:23:30,653 --> 01:23:34,093
Speaker 5: protects your stomach. So that makes sense in the gut, right,

1616
01:23:34,133 --> 01:23:37,773
Speaker 5: But the connection I think was missing with the brain.

1617
01:23:37,933 --> 01:23:42,013
Speaker 5: But what they've found is that that gland in the

1618
01:23:42,133 --> 01:23:45,013
Speaker 5: gut is connected. We've got this big vegas nerve that

1619
01:23:45,093 --> 01:23:47,613
Speaker 5: runs right down the middle of our body that's responsible

1620
01:23:47,653 --> 01:23:50,093
Speaker 5: for whole lots of things. But it connects right and

1621
01:23:50,773 --> 01:23:53,133
Speaker 5: from your gut up into your brain and up to

1622
01:23:53,293 --> 01:23:55,853
Speaker 5: part of your brain called the amygdala, and that's where

1623
01:23:55,893 --> 01:23:59,933
Speaker 5: your fight or flight response sits. And people will know

1624
01:24:00,133 --> 01:24:01,853
Speaker 5: you know, most people have an idea of what that is.

1625
01:24:02,133 --> 01:24:06,173
Speaker 5: That's the thing that gets activated when we are stressed.

1626
01:24:06,373 --> 01:24:10,053
Speaker 5: So it turns on our stress response and what the

1627
01:24:10,093 --> 01:24:13,453
Speaker 5: research has found, they sort of they connected the two.

1628
01:24:13,493 --> 01:24:16,813
Speaker 5: They found that if there was chronic and this wasn't mice,

1629
01:24:16,933 --> 01:24:19,413
Speaker 5: but that they're assuming it works the same in humans,

1630
01:24:19,413 --> 01:24:23,253
Speaker 5: that if mice were chronically stressed, there amigdala was all

1631
01:24:23,253 --> 01:24:27,333
Speaker 5: fired up. It transmitted down the vagus nerve into their gut,

1632
01:24:27,533 --> 01:24:31,413
Speaker 5: into that particular gland, and they saw the shutdown of

1633
01:24:31,453 --> 01:24:35,453
Speaker 5: that gland and the reduction in the the good gut

1634
01:24:35,493 --> 01:24:39,733
Speaker 5: bacteria and then more stomach pain and information in the gut.

1635
01:24:40,813 --> 01:24:44,693
Speaker 5: And so it's really I think shows how connected our

1636
01:24:44,773 --> 01:24:49,253
Speaker 5: whole body system is. That the stomach and the gut

1637
01:24:49,333 --> 01:24:51,533
Speaker 5: talks to the brain, and the brain talks to the

1638
01:24:51,613 --> 01:24:55,413
Speaker 5: gut and it's all sort of tied up together. So

1639
01:24:55,773 --> 01:24:58,133
Speaker 5: whilst so we sometimes think of stress and worry as

1640
01:24:58,213 --> 01:25:01,733
Speaker 5: something that's in our heads, it's also very much in

1641
01:25:01,813 --> 01:25:02,733
Speaker 5: our stomachs.

1642
01:25:02,813 --> 01:25:05,453
Speaker 2: Yeah well yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. So what

1643
01:25:05,453 --> 01:25:10,213
Speaker 2: can we do about it? Don't don't get stress.

1644
01:25:12,133 --> 01:25:15,573
Speaker 5: If only look I think you know, it obviously highlights

1645
01:25:15,653 --> 01:25:20,933
Speaker 5: that managing your stress levels, and whether that's a home

1646
01:25:21,093 --> 01:25:25,013
Speaker 5: or at work. You know, we know that that's good anyway,

1647
01:25:25,053 --> 01:25:26,933
Speaker 5: but it's good not only if your mental health, but

1648
01:25:27,013 --> 01:25:30,373
Speaker 5: your physical health. I think also too. And I'm not

1649
01:25:30,493 --> 01:25:34,933
Speaker 5: obviously a gut specialist, but I would imagine that it

1650
01:25:34,973 --> 01:25:38,013
Speaker 5: points to us making sure that we take care of

1651
01:25:38,053 --> 01:25:41,133
Speaker 5: our diet and our guts as well and keeping that

1652
01:25:41,173 --> 01:25:44,053
Speaker 5: good gut back terrier. And you probably need you probably

1653
01:25:44,053 --> 01:25:46,813
Speaker 5: need a nutritionists really to be talking about to be

1654
01:25:46,853 --> 01:25:49,413
Speaker 5: talking about that, but I think you know, it really

1655
01:25:49,493 --> 01:25:53,653
Speaker 5: highlights that how one looking after one part of our

1656
01:25:53,773 --> 01:25:57,573
Speaker 5: health impacts the whole of our body. So look after

1657
01:25:57,613 --> 01:25:59,613
Speaker 5: your brain, and that will look after your stomach. Look

1658
01:25:59,653 --> 01:26:01,733
Speaker 5: after your stomach, and that will look after your brain.

1659
01:26:03,053 --> 01:26:05,933
Speaker 5: And which is I mean it makes sort of common

1660
01:26:05,973 --> 01:26:07,693
Speaker 5: sense away and I think we all know it, but

1661
01:26:07,733 --> 01:26:10,413
Speaker 5: it's good to have that sort of scientific understanding of

1662
01:26:10,413 --> 01:26:12,933
Speaker 5: actually what's going on when we're doing that.

1663
01:26:13,013 --> 01:26:17,573
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean that. Yeah, it's it's very it's

1664
01:26:17,613 --> 01:26:21,613
Speaker 2: funny because it feels intuitive in a sense, but actually

1665
01:26:21,693 --> 01:26:23,493
Speaker 2: being able to have the science to back it up

1666
01:26:23,533 --> 01:26:26,733
Speaker 2: as a different kind of story. And it's funny that

1667
01:26:26,773 --> 01:26:29,333
Speaker 2: it feels intuitive. You know that it makes that kind

1668
01:26:29,333 --> 01:26:31,573
Speaker 2: of makes sense to us, even if we haven't necessarily

1669
01:26:31,573 --> 01:26:33,733
Speaker 2: been able to pinpoint it quite like the study has.

1670
01:26:34,853 --> 01:26:38,533
Speaker 5: I know, that's a I find that vaguely disappointing at

1671
01:26:38,573 --> 01:26:43,293
Speaker 5: times about yeah sci scientific discoveries. Everybody goes, oh, yeah,

1672
01:26:43,333 --> 01:26:45,053
Speaker 5: that makes sense. There was Yeah I knew that, and

1673
01:26:45,093 --> 01:26:48,373
Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, me too, but this isn't amazing. But

1674
01:26:48,493 --> 01:26:50,333
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, yeah, but we just we kind of

1675
01:26:50,413 --> 01:26:52,773
Speaker 5: knew that, didn't we. It's like, well, we we sort

1676
01:26:52,773 --> 01:26:55,573
Speaker 5: of did, but but look, here's the actual evidence to

1677
01:26:55,613 --> 01:26:57,693
Speaker 5: show what the connection is. I think once you understand

1678
01:26:57,693 --> 01:26:59,973
Speaker 5: the connections, you know, you can you can isolate much

1679
01:27:00,013 --> 01:27:02,773
Speaker 5: more how you can actually help, Like what can you

1680
01:27:02,813 --> 01:27:07,373
Speaker 5: do about the bacteria for example? And maybe, and this

1681
01:27:07,573 --> 01:27:10,453
Speaker 5: is me speculating, but maybe you know, if you address

1682
01:27:10,733 --> 01:27:13,173
Speaker 5: gut back terry, you're going to reduce the symptoms of

1683
01:27:13,213 --> 01:27:17,733
Speaker 5: anxiety and stress, and then that will flow up back

1684
01:27:17,773 --> 01:27:19,933
Speaker 5: to the brain as well, so you know, we don't

1685
01:27:19,933 --> 01:27:23,453
Speaker 5: have to just focus on mental ways of coping with stress.

1686
01:27:23,453 --> 01:27:24,893
Speaker 5: It could be physical as well.

1687
01:27:24,813 --> 01:27:27,013
Speaker 2: Right right, that makes sense. Hey, thank you Google. That's

1688
01:27:27,133 --> 01:27:29,613
Speaker 2: very very interesting, and thank you for bringing that study

1689
01:27:29,613 --> 01:27:33,333
Speaker 2: to our attention, Google Sutherland, our clinical psychologist. There he was,

1690
01:27:33,413 --> 01:27:36,133
Speaker 2: of course with the Umbrella well being now perfore Midday

1691
01:27:36,173 --> 01:27:39,173
Speaker 2: as well as that new album from Kimber. We've got

1692
01:27:39,173 --> 01:27:41,933
Speaker 2: our book picks for this weekend. Plus Jason Pine is

1693
01:27:42,053 --> 01:27:44,453
Speaker 2: counting down the ours to the very first game from

1694
01:27:44,533 --> 01:27:47,013
Speaker 2: Auckland FC. They kick off at five o'clock this evening

1695
01:27:47,053 --> 01:27:50,493
Speaker 2: against the Brisbane Raw. They are expecting to sell out

1696
01:27:50,533 --> 01:27:54,053
Speaker 2: stadium at go Media Stadium aka Mount Smart So more

1697
01:27:54,093 --> 01:27:57,293
Speaker 2: than twenty thousand people have bought tickets for that opening match,

1698
01:27:57,333 --> 01:28:00,613
Speaker 2: which is remarkable that all they're now is for the

1699
01:28:00,613 --> 01:28:02,973
Speaker 2: team to put together a really solid performance, maybe get

1700
01:28:02,973 --> 01:28:05,253
Speaker 2: a win this afternoon, that would be ideal. But we'll

1701
01:28:05,253 --> 01:28:07,053
Speaker 2: get Jason Pine's thoughts on that. A big day for

1702
01:28:07,133 --> 01:28:09,813
Speaker 2: him right now it is sixteen past eleven, non news Storks.

1703
01:28:09,853 --> 01:28:15,333
Speaker 1: He'd be travel with Wendy wo Tours, unique fully inclusive tours.

1704
01:28:15,013 --> 01:28:15,933
Speaker 3: Around the world.

1705
01:28:16,293 --> 01:28:19,213
Speaker 2: Mike Yardley is our travel correspondent and is here today

1706
01:28:19,653 --> 01:28:21,533
Speaker 2: to Mike morning Jack.

1707
01:28:21,613 --> 01:28:24,533
Speaker 6: Have a great time in the States. I reckon Karmela's

1708
01:28:24,613 --> 01:28:26,253
Speaker 6: campaign is in a world of trouble.

1709
01:28:27,293 --> 01:28:30,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about a world of trouble. I

1710
01:28:30,333 --> 01:28:32,213
Speaker 2: think these things sort of ebb and flow a little bit,

1711
01:28:32,253 --> 01:28:34,733
Speaker 2: but I definitely think they're in trouble, you know, relative

1712
01:28:34,733 --> 01:28:36,053
Speaker 2: to where they were a couple of weeks ago. This

1713
01:28:36,173 --> 01:28:38,293
Speaker 2: is certainly a lag in the campaign that we wanted

1714
01:28:38,293 --> 01:28:40,253
Speaker 2: to turn things around. If the election were held today,

1715
01:28:41,133 --> 01:28:44,853
Speaker 2: I reckon Trum, I reckon Trump would have it. I

1716
01:28:44,893 --> 01:28:46,813
Speaker 2: reckon Trump would have it. But I also just think,

1717
01:28:48,293 --> 01:28:50,973
Speaker 2: like flip a coin, you know, flip a coin out

1718
01:28:51,013 --> 01:28:53,773
Speaker 2: at the moment, what is it that makes you think

1719
01:28:53,933 --> 01:28:55,933
Speaker 2: that her campaigns in trouble.

1720
01:28:56,573 --> 01:28:58,893
Speaker 6: I've just got back from there, and I just think

1721
01:28:59,413 --> 01:29:01,773
Speaker 6: a couple of things. First of all, the trend is

1722
01:29:01,813 --> 01:29:03,893
Speaker 6: not who friend in the polls, you know when you

1723
01:29:03,933 --> 01:29:06,093
Speaker 6: compare it to say twenty twenty or twenty sixteen and

1724
01:29:06,533 --> 01:29:08,773
Speaker 6: better ground states. But the other thing, Jack, and that

1725
01:29:08,853 --> 01:29:10,773
Speaker 6: something you picked up on with me a few weeks ago,

1726
01:29:10,893 --> 01:29:14,853
Speaker 6: was she just seems unable to give her half decent

1727
01:29:15,013 --> 01:29:18,253
Speaker 6: answer to the tough questions. She just continues to dodge

1728
01:29:18,293 --> 01:29:21,613
Speaker 6: those tough questions, and I just think that raises huge

1729
01:29:21,773 --> 01:29:24,573
Speaker 6: question marks about, you know, the ability of someone like

1730
01:29:24,613 --> 01:29:25,453
Speaker 6: that to be president.

1731
01:29:25,653 --> 01:29:25,853
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1732
01:29:25,973 --> 01:29:28,693
Speaker 2: I tend to agree with that. I think she's a

1733
01:29:28,773 --> 01:29:31,493
Speaker 2: really poor interviewee for someone who's made it to that

1734
01:29:31,533 --> 01:29:33,853
Speaker 2: position like a one on one interviewee. Not I'm not

1735
01:29:33,973 --> 01:29:36,973
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Donald Trump is a good interviewee.

1736
01:29:38,093 --> 01:29:42,093
Speaker 2: The necessarily answers many questions. But yeah, I think she's

1737
01:29:42,093 --> 01:29:44,093
Speaker 2: surprisingly weak and it plays into the whole thing about

1738
01:29:44,173 --> 01:29:45,653
Speaker 2: you know, like what does she actually stand for?

1739
01:29:45,813 --> 01:29:45,973
Speaker 4: Right?

1740
01:29:46,533 --> 01:29:49,533
Speaker 2: It is hard to tell watching. Yeah, it's gonna be

1741
01:29:49,573 --> 01:29:52,013
Speaker 2: very interesting. So I'm looking forward to podcasting from there

1742
01:29:52,053 --> 01:29:53,373
Speaker 2: over the next couple of weeks and trying to get

1743
01:29:53,413 --> 01:29:56,693
Speaker 2: give a sense of things, sense of things on the ground. Yeah,

1744
01:29:56,693 --> 01:29:59,653
Speaker 2: thank you. So from the Mighty us of A. We

1745
01:29:59,733 --> 01:30:02,133
Speaker 2: are turning our attention to the Indian Ocean and the

1746
01:30:02,253 --> 01:30:06,333
Speaker 2: hill country in Sri Lanka this morning. And the gateway said,

1747
01:30:06,493 --> 01:30:08,133
Speaker 2: in the highlands of Sri Lanka is Candy.

1748
01:30:08,213 --> 01:30:08,413
Speaker 22: Right.

1749
01:30:09,533 --> 01:30:11,733
Speaker 6: Indeed, I thought we'd do one last burst with Sri

1750
01:30:11,853 --> 01:30:14,893
Speaker 6: Lanka and I headed for the Hillsjack. The thing about

1751
01:30:14,973 --> 01:30:18,813
Speaker 6: Candy is it's just surrounded with all this twisting topography.

1752
01:30:18,853 --> 01:30:21,293
Speaker 6: It's a sweetheart of a down candy. See what I

1753
01:30:21,333 --> 01:30:25,013
Speaker 6: did there. The city has swathed in all these lush

1754
01:30:25,133 --> 01:30:28,613
Speaker 6: jungle greens. You've got roly poly hells and this amazing

1755
01:30:28,693 --> 01:30:32,893
Speaker 6: man made lake, glorious soothing lake right in its heart.

1756
01:30:33,333 --> 01:30:35,933
Speaker 6: The thing about that lake is the prize drawer is

1757
01:30:36,053 --> 01:30:39,333
Speaker 6: right next to it, the gorgeous Temple of the Tooth Relic.

1758
01:30:39,733 --> 01:30:42,973
Speaker 6: And I learnt a lot about this toothjack So supposedly

1759
01:30:43,453 --> 01:30:47,453
Speaker 6: it is one of Buddha's teeth, taken from his funeral

1760
01:30:47,533 --> 01:30:51,093
Speaker 6: pyre and smuggled into Sri Lanka seventeen hundred years ago,

1761
01:30:52,173 --> 01:30:55,373
Speaker 6: hidden in the hair of a princess. No less so,

1762
01:30:56,093 --> 01:30:59,373
Speaker 6: if you're a Sri Lankan Buddhist, you have to take

1763
01:30:59,413 --> 01:31:03,333
Speaker 6: a pilgrimage to this temple in your lifetime to enhance

1764
01:31:03,373 --> 01:31:08,013
Speaker 6: your karmic energy. And the place was absolutely heaving with pilgrims.

1765
01:31:08,013 --> 01:31:08,933
Speaker 6: It was quite a sight.

1766
01:31:09,133 --> 01:31:10,413
Speaker 2: Wow, did you see the tooth?

1767
01:31:11,333 --> 01:31:16,173
Speaker 6: No, you can't see the tooth that has locked away

1768
01:31:16,213 --> 01:31:19,893
Speaker 6: in a golden casket right inside the shrone room. In

1769
01:31:19,933 --> 01:31:24,133
Speaker 6: the shrine room, Apparently it's whirled out about once every decade, right,

1770
01:31:25,173 --> 01:31:28,653
Speaker 6: and then every year around the full moon in July,

1771
01:31:28,773 --> 01:31:32,813
Speaker 6: they have this massive exuberant festival called petter Hera, which

1772
01:31:33,693 --> 01:31:36,413
Speaker 6: goes on for about ten days full pageantry. They had

1773
01:31:36,453 --> 01:31:42,893
Speaker 6: one hundred elaborately decorated elephants dripping with jewels on parade.

1774
01:31:43,493 --> 01:31:47,213
Speaker 6: In the lead elephant, mister Tusker, he carries a replica

1775
01:31:47,613 --> 01:31:49,733
Speaker 6: of the tooth, so they don't even wheel out the

1776
01:31:49,813 --> 01:31:53,253
Speaker 6: real tooth for the big festival. But I was getting

1777
01:31:53,293 --> 01:31:55,733
Speaker 6: too a few local seck and it's funny. Some people

1778
01:31:55,813 --> 01:31:57,533
Speaker 6: reckon it's actually a buffalo tooth.

1779
01:31:58,493 --> 01:32:02,733
Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, surely you'll be able to tell a difference.

1780
01:32:03,373 --> 01:32:05,853
Speaker 6: Well, they think it's just not a human tooth. Those

1781
01:32:05,893 --> 01:32:09,213
Speaker 6: that have seen reckon that it's too big.

1782
01:32:10,893 --> 01:32:13,053
Speaker 2: No one's itching to go into it like a DNA

1783
01:32:13,133 --> 01:32:15,013
Speaker 2: test on or anything. I had to work it out,

1784
01:32:15,093 --> 01:32:19,573
Speaker 2: yeah through yeah, okay, how amazing. So was the Central

1785
01:32:19,613 --> 01:32:21,133
Speaker 2: market worth a bit of a wonder?

1786
01:32:21,853 --> 01:32:24,453
Speaker 6: Oh my goodness, it was so enthrawling. I ended up

1787
01:32:24,493 --> 01:32:27,533
Speaker 6: talking cricket with these lovely old men who were wearing

1788
01:32:27,573 --> 01:32:31,493
Speaker 6: away on the antique singer sewing machines in the tailor's section.

1789
01:32:32,933 --> 01:32:35,493
Speaker 6: Then I went to the fresh fresh produce market, which

1790
01:32:35,653 --> 01:32:39,653
Speaker 6: just radiates with abundance. I have never seen so many

1791
01:32:39,693 --> 01:32:43,733
Speaker 6: banana varieties in my life, just so many different types

1792
01:32:43,773 --> 01:32:47,013
Speaker 6: of bananas. And then in the meat and seafood section,

1793
01:32:47,093 --> 01:32:51,053
Speaker 6: well that was explicit and confronting, and I actually parked

1794
01:32:51,093 --> 01:32:55,813
Speaker 6: up my protein preferences for several days. After that, I

1795
01:32:55,893 --> 01:32:58,693
Speaker 6: became a temporary vegetarian. And you can't go wrong with

1796
01:32:58,733 --> 01:33:02,333
Speaker 6: a dull curry or a jet fruit curry in Sri Lanka.

1797
01:33:02,373 --> 01:33:05,893
Speaker 6: Although to be fair, Jet unlike India, spreaded deli belly.

1798
01:33:06,693 --> 01:33:09,133
Speaker 6: No stomach issues at all in Sri Lanka.

1799
01:33:09,173 --> 01:33:11,293
Speaker 2: Great. Oh that's good. So when you say it was

1800
01:33:11,333 --> 01:33:13,813
Speaker 2: a little bit eye opening, was it just liked and

1801
01:33:13,853 --> 01:33:15,573
Speaker 2: gore or was it so like you know, like not

1802
01:33:16,253 --> 01:33:18,053
Speaker 2: Jack setting it.

1803
01:33:18,253 --> 01:33:21,773
Speaker 6: Was the hygiene question, Yeah, it was. It was pretty bad.

1804
01:33:21,893 --> 01:33:23,733
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yep, no, I get it. We don't need

1805
01:33:23,773 --> 01:33:26,733
Speaker 2: to go into any more. What about the tea factories?

1806
01:33:26,773 --> 01:33:28,213
Speaker 2: Can you tour the tea factories?

1807
01:33:28,733 --> 01:33:30,613
Speaker 6: Yeah? This is such a cool thing to do. So

1808
01:33:30,733 --> 01:33:33,293
Speaker 6: Candy's got a lot of the tea factories in Tri Lanka,

1809
01:33:33,333 --> 01:33:35,573
Speaker 6: and I went to a place called Girigama te Factory.

1810
01:33:35,573 --> 01:33:38,173
Speaker 6: It's one of your pace of old school factories. They

1811
01:33:38,253 --> 01:33:41,573
Speaker 6: have got machines near jack which like do the drying

1812
01:33:41,653 --> 01:33:44,293
Speaker 6: and the processing of the tea, which had not changed

1813
01:33:44,333 --> 01:33:48,413
Speaker 6: in one hundred years, the same machines. So when Victoria

1814
01:33:48,533 --> 01:33:52,453
Speaker 6: was on the throne. These machines were operating amazing. Yeah,

1815
01:33:52,693 --> 01:33:55,053
Speaker 6: but I was so fascinating to learn the whole sort

1816
01:33:55,053 --> 01:33:59,893
Speaker 6: of backstory to the tea plantations in Sri Lanka and

1817
01:33:59,933 --> 01:34:03,213
Speaker 6: they are still one of the world's top five te exporters.

1818
01:34:03,253 --> 01:34:07,173
Speaker 6: But the British who were responsible for sill On Tea,

1819
01:34:08,013 --> 01:34:11,813
Speaker 6: they first actually tried to turn Selon as they called it,

1820
01:34:11,933 --> 01:34:15,893
Speaker 6: into a coffee producing carehouse, but all the plants were

1821
01:34:15,933 --> 01:34:18,933
Speaker 6: struck by a fungal disease, so that was a total disaster.

1822
01:34:19,573 --> 01:34:21,853
Speaker 6: And then this guy, James Taylor, he is like the

1823
01:34:21,853 --> 01:34:25,493
Speaker 6: father of Selon tea. He thought, let's give tea crek

1824
01:34:26,013 --> 01:34:28,173
Speaker 6: and it's just transformed the nation.

1825
01:34:28,493 --> 01:34:31,293
Speaker 2: Yeah. Interesting, I presume that James Tyler is different to

1826
01:34:31,693 --> 01:34:32,933
Speaker 2: the James Taylor.

1827
01:34:32,973 --> 01:34:37,053
Speaker 6: The muso. Yeah.

1828
01:34:37,173 --> 01:34:39,453
Speaker 2: So it's the hill country landscape, just like all tea

1829
01:34:39,493 --> 01:34:40,573
Speaker 2: plantations everywhere.

1830
01:34:41,413 --> 01:34:44,733
Speaker 6: Well, it's really interesting. It's a total patchwork. So you've

1831
01:34:44,773 --> 01:34:49,533
Speaker 6: got like high country jungle forests splashed with these gods

1832
01:34:49,613 --> 01:34:53,733
Speaker 6: making waterfalls. I've never seen such enormous waterfalls before. And

1833
01:34:53,773 --> 01:34:59,053
Speaker 6: then interspersing all that vast blankets of thickly stitched, undulating

1834
01:34:59,333 --> 01:35:03,413
Speaker 6: emerald green tea plantations and you just feel like you're

1835
01:35:03,453 --> 01:35:08,053
Speaker 6: constantly switching from nature to nurture, nature, nurture, and it's

1836
01:35:08,093 --> 01:35:11,933
Speaker 6: such a stylized landscape. Those tea estates. A lot of

1837
01:35:11,933 --> 01:35:16,533
Speaker 6: the teepickers are tamils, so amongst all those grim plantations,

1838
01:35:17,133 --> 01:35:21,813
Speaker 6: this blaze of colorful saris adding to the scenery. It

1839
01:35:22,373 --> 01:35:24,653
Speaker 6: really is a visual symphony. And the best way to

1840
01:35:24,733 --> 01:35:28,173
Speaker 6: do that that sort of scenic experience is just jump

1841
01:35:28,213 --> 01:35:30,733
Speaker 6: on a train from Candy and head up to the

1842
01:35:30,813 --> 01:35:33,933
Speaker 6: higher reaches. It really is an incredible spectacle.

1843
01:35:34,173 --> 01:35:35,693
Speaker 2: Oh nice. So how high did you go?

1844
01:35:37,053 --> 01:35:40,013
Speaker 6: I went up to a place called New Water and

1845
01:35:40,293 --> 01:35:43,133
Speaker 6: it is about six and a half thousand feet high.

1846
01:35:43,173 --> 01:35:47,893
Speaker 6: So what's that about? To two thousand meetings? Yeah, hope

1847
01:35:47,933 --> 01:35:52,573
Speaker 6: that it would be Mount Harts, Yeah, absolutely, Yeah. The

1848
01:35:52,653 --> 01:35:56,813
Speaker 6: temperature change incredibly startling compared to the you know, the

1849
01:35:56,853 --> 01:36:00,813
Speaker 6: steam heat down in the Lowlands. But you're all those

1850
01:36:00,893 --> 01:36:03,853
Speaker 6: tea plantations up there in new Water, Alia, they're all

1851
01:36:03,933 --> 01:36:07,653
Speaker 6: misst shrouded. The place is Nick James, Little England, and

1852
01:36:07,693 --> 01:36:10,773
Speaker 6: it's so weird Jack. It feels a bit discombobulating. There

1853
01:36:10,773 --> 01:36:14,173
Speaker 6: are all of these quaint and jaunty reminders of British influence.

1854
01:36:14,893 --> 01:36:20,733
Speaker 6: I was buying rock candy from faux Tudor shops in

1855
01:36:20,893 --> 01:36:25,573
Speaker 6: downtown New Wada, Ellia and at the local market, I

1856
01:36:25,573 --> 01:36:28,213
Speaker 6: thought this said at all. I was most amused to

1857
01:36:28,253 --> 01:36:32,093
Speaker 6: see these Tamil locals, clad and saris and wooly hats

1858
01:36:32,693 --> 01:36:36,133
Speaker 6: haggling over the price of OsO English vegetables like cabbage,

1859
01:36:36,133 --> 01:36:41,773
Speaker 6: turnips and parsnips. That's the Sri Lankan highlands and one

1860
01:36:41,893 --> 01:36:43,373
Speaker 6: sweet curious snapshot.

1861
01:36:43,413 --> 01:36:45,493
Speaker 2: I thought it sounds amazing. It sounds like a very

1862
01:36:45,533 --> 01:36:47,813
Speaker 2: interesting place. You've totally sold me on Sri Lanka over

1863
01:36:47,853 --> 01:36:49,533
Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks. By the way, I'm really

1864
01:36:49,813 --> 01:36:51,493
Speaker 2: I've not been here. I would love to go there.

1865
01:36:51,653 --> 01:36:53,933
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love to go back. I just feel

1866
01:36:53,933 --> 01:36:56,493
Speaker 6: like I've dabbled and it's just as a jewel of

1867
01:36:56,533 --> 01:37:00,253
Speaker 6: a country. It really is so safe, beautiful people, great

1868
01:37:00,333 --> 01:37:04,533
Speaker 6: food if you stick with the vegetarian and yeah, the

1869
01:37:04,653 --> 01:37:06,253
Speaker 6: scenery is just god.

1870
01:37:06,973 --> 01:37:07,253
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1871
01:37:07,293 --> 01:37:09,293
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much for all of your tips

1872
01:37:09,293 --> 01:37:11,813
Speaker 2: and advice, and we'll make sure that your latest for

1873
01:37:11,853 --> 01:37:14,373
Speaker 2: the hill country in Sri Lanka is alongside your other

1874
01:37:14,413 --> 01:37:17,053
Speaker 2: advice for touring through Sri Lanka as well. So our

1875
01:37:17,053 --> 01:37:19,853
Speaker 2: listeners who want to go and experience that jewel of

1876
01:37:19,853 --> 01:37:21,773
Speaker 2: a country and your words can do so. Thank you,

1877
01:37:21,813 --> 01:37:25,133
Speaker 2: Mike Trouble. Yeah, thank you so much. But I'll be

1878
01:37:25,173 --> 01:37:27,053
Speaker 2: in touch and yeah, over the next couple of weeks

1879
01:37:27,133 --> 01:37:30,013
Speaker 2: off see if anything on the ground in my experience

1880
01:37:30,253 --> 01:37:33,253
Speaker 2: alters our perception of how that race is going. November fifth,

1881
01:37:33,293 --> 01:37:35,853
Speaker 2: it's only a couple of weeks away. Really, it's pretty Yeah,

1882
01:37:35,893 --> 01:37:38,213
Speaker 2: getting getting to the business end of things in the US.

1883
01:37:38,253 --> 01:37:39,933
Speaker 2: Just coming up to eleven thirty you with Jack Tame.

1884
01:37:40,053 --> 01:37:41,173
Speaker 2: This is Newstalks EDB.

1885
01:37:46,053 --> 01:37:47,693
Speaker 7: Getting your weekends started.

1886
01:37:47,893 --> 01:37:51,493
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack team on Newstalks EDB.

1887
01:37:53,813 --> 01:37:55,293
Speaker 7: Thank you geting away.

1888
01:37:56,773 --> 01:38:02,253
Speaker 22: Own, Thank you all away bye, just come on me.

1889
01:38:09,733 --> 01:38:10,533
Speaker 7: That you've done that.

1890
01:38:10,653 --> 01:38:14,973
Speaker 2: Here the NEWSB. You were Jack Tamed. After midday, Jason

1891
01:38:15,013 --> 01:38:18,773
Speaker 2: Pine will be broadcasting live from go Media Stadium, counting

1892
01:38:18,813 --> 01:38:22,693
Speaker 2: down the hours to the first game for the newest

1893
01:38:22,693 --> 01:38:25,973
Speaker 2: club in the A League, Auckland FC, who are going

1894
01:38:26,053 --> 01:38:28,693
Speaker 2: to be playing Piney before but I think is expected

1895
01:38:28,693 --> 01:38:29,733
Speaker 2: to be a sold out crowd.

1896
01:38:30,093 --> 01:38:31,693
Speaker 12: Yeah, good I Jackie, that's what we're hearing.

1897
01:38:32,253 --> 01:38:35,333
Speaker 23: I'm sort of in the bowels of go Media, so

1898
01:38:35,733 --> 01:38:38,893
Speaker 23: apologies for the slight echo. I can if I walk

1899
01:38:38,933 --> 01:38:40,773
Speaker 23: a few steps, have a look out onto the grass

1900
01:38:40,773 --> 01:38:41,613
Speaker 23: which looks amazing.

1901
01:38:41,653 --> 01:38:43,773
Speaker 12: Actually, look what a moment, Hey, what a day.

1902
01:38:44,453 --> 01:38:48,813
Speaker 23: A brand new professional sporting franchise in New Zealand, eighteen

1903
01:38:48,933 --> 01:38:52,613
Speaker 23: years after the Knights ceased to exist as a as

1904
01:38:52,613 --> 01:38:55,533
Speaker 23: a football club in our biggest city and Auckland f

1905
01:38:55,613 --> 01:38:57,853
Speaker 23: C are ready to take to the grass this afternoon.

1906
01:38:57,933 --> 01:39:01,133
Speaker 23: Look really looking forward to what will be a great occasion.

1907
01:39:01,453 --> 01:39:05,773
Speaker 23: There's a few celebrities I understand, Yeah, there's well, there's

1908
01:39:05,773 --> 01:39:07,973
Speaker 23: whispers you hear, these rumors are such and such as

1909
01:39:08,013 --> 01:39:09,933
Speaker 23: going to be Yeah, one man who will be here

1910
01:39:09,973 --> 01:39:12,853
Speaker 23: as the owner, Bill Foley. He is definitely in town.

1911
01:39:13,213 --> 01:39:15,493
Speaker 23: Ellie Williams is here. He's one of the co owners.

1912
01:39:15,493 --> 01:39:17,973
Speaker 23: He's gonna join us on the show. Actually, also here

1913
01:39:17,973 --> 01:39:19,973
Speaker 23: that Winston Reed and Tim Brown, two of the other

1914
01:39:20,013 --> 01:39:23,253
Speaker 23: owner's former all whites, are in attendance, and lots more besides.

1915
01:39:23,293 --> 01:39:25,653
Speaker 23: I think Ali Williams was trying to get Dan Carter along.

1916
01:39:26,133 --> 01:39:30,933
Speaker 23: So honestly, below the places you normally hang out, Jack.

1917
01:39:31,213 --> 01:39:32,973
Speaker 2: I knew there was something coming. I knew there was

1918
01:39:33,013 --> 01:39:38,213
Speaker 2: something brewing there. Very droll, Jason, very droll, No, there's

1919
01:39:38,213 --> 01:39:40,973
Speaker 2: amazing occasion and so good to see that support. So obviously,

1920
01:39:41,173 --> 01:39:42,533
Speaker 2: I mean I'm going to be there. I'll be hoping

1921
01:39:42,573 --> 01:39:44,733
Speaker 2: that they can get some sort of a result, put

1922
01:39:44,733 --> 01:39:46,853
Speaker 2: together a good performance for all of those fans, and

1923
01:39:47,413 --> 01:39:50,813
Speaker 2: build on what is clearly a significant bit of momentum.

1924
01:39:50,933 --> 01:39:54,453
Speaker 2: So Liam Lawson is he's been knocked out of the

1925
01:39:54,493 --> 01:39:57,973
Speaker 2: sprint qualifying Yep, he made it for the first round,

1926
01:39:58,053 --> 01:39:59,773
Speaker 2: knocked out in the second round. I think he finished

1927
01:39:59,773 --> 01:40:03,133
Speaker 2: twelfth or thirteen, but no, not a pretty solid first outing.

1928
01:40:03,253 --> 01:40:06,733
Speaker 2: He was just behind Sugio Peri's actually so you're not

1929
01:40:06,773 --> 01:40:08,813
Speaker 2: a bad not a bad thing. But he's going to

1930
01:40:08,853 --> 01:40:10,333
Speaker 2: be starting from the back of the grid for the

1931
01:40:10,373 --> 01:40:11,293
Speaker 2: actual Grand Prix.

1932
01:40:12,013 --> 01:40:15,173
Speaker 23: Yeah, and look, I guess we have to probably limit

1933
01:40:15,213 --> 01:40:17,253
Speaker 23: our expectations a little bit. I mean, it's been all

1934
01:40:17,293 --> 01:40:19,693
Speaker 23: this ground swell of hey, let's get Liam Lawson in

1935
01:40:19,733 --> 01:40:21,573
Speaker 23: a Formula one drive, and I think we all agree

1936
01:40:21,613 --> 01:40:23,933
Speaker 23: that he deserves to be there. But he is still

1937
01:40:23,933 --> 01:40:26,213
Speaker 23: a relative novice when it comes to this, so let's

1938
01:40:26,253 --> 01:40:29,253
Speaker 23: not forget that. However, he's a pretty special kid from

1939
01:40:29,293 --> 01:40:32,213
Speaker 23: all accounts, and look, they don't just hand out Formula

1940
01:40:32,293 --> 01:40:34,253
Speaker 23: one drives check to anybody, as we know.

1941
01:40:34,413 --> 01:40:36,333
Speaker 12: So look, I can't wait to see how he goes.

1942
01:40:36,373 --> 01:40:40,053
Speaker 23: I think the actual races Monday around breakfast time in

1943
01:40:40,093 --> 01:40:42,413
Speaker 23: New Zealand. So yeah, look forward to seeing how Liam goes.

1944
01:40:42,453 --> 01:40:44,693
Speaker 23: And just great to know that he's got that drive

1945
01:40:44,733 --> 01:40:46,613
Speaker 23: for the rest of this year. And as long as

1946
01:40:46,813 --> 01:40:49,693
Speaker 23: he acquits himself pretty well, which I all think you know,

1947
01:40:49,693 --> 01:40:52,093
Speaker 23: which we all think he will, then you know, twenty

1948
01:40:52,133 --> 01:40:55,133
Speaker 23: twenty five will also be a full year in the

1949
01:40:55,173 --> 01:40:57,533
Speaker 23: seat for Liam's say, exciting times ahead for him.

1950
01:40:57,613 --> 01:40:59,413
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you make of that White Fern's performances?

1951
01:40:59,773 --> 01:41:00,293
Speaker 12: How good?

1952
01:41:00,413 --> 01:41:01,773
Speaker 2: How good? So good?

1953
01:41:02,013 --> 01:41:02,213
Speaker 9: You know.

1954
01:41:02,453 --> 01:41:05,253
Speaker 23: I was just writing out my notes for my show

1955
01:41:05,293 --> 01:41:07,413
Speaker 23: intro and I wrote down the Ferns are into the

1956
01:41:07,453 --> 01:41:10,533
Speaker 23: T twenty World Cup Final, and I thought to myself,

1957
01:41:10,613 --> 01:41:13,733
Speaker 23: how unlikely a sentence to be typing a couple of

1958
01:41:13,813 --> 01:41:16,493
Speaker 23: weeks ago, even you know, going back the last several months,

1959
01:41:16,533 --> 01:41:19,853
Speaker 23: what was it thirteen straight losses the White Ferns had had,

1960
01:41:20,093 --> 01:41:23,453
Speaker 23: albeit against England and Australia, who are sure sides, but

1961
01:41:23,693 --> 01:41:25,533
Speaker 23: they've come to this World Cup. They've done well in

1962
01:41:25,573 --> 01:41:28,053
Speaker 23: Paul play. They got past the West Indies this morning

1963
01:41:28,093 --> 01:41:31,613
Speaker 23: and did brilliantly in doing so. So they're in the

1964
01:41:31,613 --> 01:41:34,413
Speaker 23: final of a T twenty competition, Jack, they could.

1965
01:41:34,213 --> 01:41:37,133
Speaker 2: Win it, and I'll tell you what, the screws were

1966
01:41:37,133 --> 01:41:39,653
Speaker 2: really on them this morning, like the pressure was on

1967
01:41:39,893 --> 01:41:42,373
Speaker 2: as it often isn't those TA twenty contests, but that

1968
01:41:42,533 --> 01:41:46,573
Speaker 2: last over in particular, my goodness, it was thrilling. So yeah,

1969
01:41:46,613 --> 01:41:49,853
Speaker 2: really really exciting and an amazing achievement to see them

1970
01:41:49,853 --> 01:41:51,813
Speaker 2: through their America's Cup tomorrow morning.

1971
01:41:52,093 --> 01:41:54,533
Speaker 23: I know we could go to their match point now,

1972
01:41:54,573 --> 01:41:57,853
Speaker 23: aren't they six two? So look, unless we get our

1973
01:41:57,893 --> 01:42:01,853
Speaker 23: San Diego or San Francisco twenty thirteen scenario year, you know,

1974
01:42:02,093 --> 01:42:05,653
Speaker 23: they could well claim the old mug or retain the

1975
01:42:05,693 --> 01:42:08,253
Speaker 23: old mug in the first race tomorrow morning.

1976
01:42:08,373 --> 01:42:09,853
Speaker 12: So man, you don't know.

1977
01:42:09,853 --> 01:42:12,853
Speaker 23: Really where to look, Jack, when it comes to sport

1978
01:42:12,853 --> 01:42:14,893
Speaker 23: this weekend the black Caps, Let's not forget. I've had

1979
01:42:14,933 --> 01:42:18,173
Speaker 23: a terrific couple of days playing in India. You know,

1980
01:42:18,173 --> 01:42:22,173
Speaker 23: there's NPC semi finals today as well, so there's there's

1981
01:42:22,173 --> 01:42:23,013
Speaker 23: a heap to get stuck in.

1982
01:42:23,173 --> 01:42:24,813
Speaker 12: We'll try and cover most of it off if we can.

1983
01:42:24,973 --> 01:42:27,893
Speaker 23: Big focus on football this afternoon obviously from go Mediamount

1984
01:42:27,893 --> 01:42:30,013
Speaker 23: Smart Heat of Auckland FC's opening game in the A League.

1985
01:42:30,093 --> 01:42:32,133
Speaker 2: Very good looking forward to that. Thank you, Sir Jason

1986
01:42:32,173 --> 01:42:34,533
Speaker 2: Pine behind the mic for weekend Sport right after the

1987
01:42:34,533 --> 01:42:36,653
Speaker 2: midday News before midday we're going to play some of

1988
01:42:36,653 --> 01:42:39,533
Speaker 2: that Idols and Vice's album from Kimber. Next up, your

1989
01:42:39,533 --> 01:42:42,053
Speaker 2: book picks for this weekend twenty four to twelve.

1990
01:42:43,013 --> 01:42:45,253
Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

1991
01:42:45,413 --> 01:42:48,493
Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Mornings with Jack Team and BEP youwared on

1992
01:42:48,653 --> 01:42:51,013
Speaker 1: code on ZID for high quality supplements.

1993
01:42:51,213 --> 01:42:52,133
Speaker 3: Used talks eNB.

1994
01:42:52,333 --> 01:42:53,733
Speaker 2: Twenty one to twelve on News Talks.

1995
01:42:53,733 --> 01:42:53,973
Speaker 8: He'd be.

1996
01:42:54,093 --> 01:42:56,653
Speaker 2: Katherine Rains has two reads for us this weekend, for

1997
01:42:56,693 --> 01:43:02,453
Speaker 2: anyone who is not entertained by the voluminous sport available

1998
01:43:02,493 --> 01:43:04,813
Speaker 2: for us this weekend. Calder Catherine Morning.

1999
01:43:04,893 --> 01:43:06,293
Speaker 24: Jack might be hard to pull away from the scene.

2000
01:43:06,613 --> 01:43:07,933
Speaker 2: I might be, but look, you know, if there are

2001
01:43:08,013 --> 01:43:10,813
Speaker 2: little breaks between competition, maybe you can, maybe you can

2002
01:43:10,813 --> 01:43:14,093
Speaker 2: find some space. So tell us about Kingmaker by Sonya Purnell.

2003
01:43:14,653 --> 01:43:17,173
Speaker 24: So this is about a woman called Pamela Harriman and

2004
01:43:17,213 --> 01:43:19,773
Speaker 24: she was born into this very privileged but cash strap

2005
01:43:19,893 --> 01:43:22,773
Speaker 24: family in the UK and they sold up their Belgravia

2006
01:43:22,813 --> 01:43:25,373
Speaker 24: mansion and moved to Dorset, and her grandfather, who happened

2007
01:43:25,373 --> 01:43:27,933
Speaker 24: to be the tenth Lord of Digby, built this fifty

2008
01:43:28,053 --> 01:43:30,253
Speaker 24: room mansion and he was quite eccentric, so he built

2009
01:43:30,293 --> 01:43:33,293
Speaker 24: it without bathrooms because he considered them completely disgusting. So

2010
01:43:34,173 --> 01:43:36,213
Speaker 24: this interesting kind of upbringing that she had, and she

2011
01:43:36,253 --> 01:43:40,053
Speaker 24: was very adventurous and energetic, and she craved escape from

2012
01:43:40,133 --> 01:43:43,133
Speaker 24: Dorsa and the loneliness, and she decided to get married

2013
01:43:43,133 --> 01:43:45,933
Speaker 24: at the age of nineteen to a man she'd only

2014
01:43:45,973 --> 01:43:47,973
Speaker 24: know him for a couple of weeks, and that turned

2015
01:43:48,013 --> 01:43:50,533
Speaker 24: out to be a guy called Random Churchill, and he

2016
01:43:50,733 --> 01:43:53,333
Speaker 24: was not particularly well liked in society, and he was

2017
01:43:53,333 --> 01:43:56,053
Speaker 24: a bit of a catastrophe. But actually what was really

2018
01:43:56,093 --> 01:43:59,693
Speaker 24: interesting about him is his parents were Winston and Clementine Churchill,

2019
01:44:00,173 --> 01:44:03,133
Speaker 24: and she took to them immediately and she was often

2020
01:44:03,253 --> 01:44:07,133
Speaker 24: part of their political world and a really trusted member

2021
01:44:07,173 --> 01:44:10,053
Speaker 24: of Winston Churchills in a circle at Chequers and Whitehall,

2022
01:44:10,293 --> 01:44:16,253
Speaker 24: particularly during the war years. And her husband was an

2023
01:44:16,293 --> 01:44:19,333
Speaker 24: alcoholic and a womanizer and ya completely lousy husband, and

2024
01:44:19,373 --> 01:44:23,373
Speaker 24: they had one son together, but their marriage ended eventually

2025
01:44:23,373 --> 01:44:26,813
Speaker 24: in divorce. But her early role with the Churchills, and

2026
01:44:26,813 --> 01:44:30,493
Speaker 24: this intelligent gathering intermediary between the British war governer and

2027
01:44:30,533 --> 01:44:34,373
Speaker 24: the Americans, and she seduced a number of high profile names,

2028
01:44:34,413 --> 01:44:37,413
Speaker 24: and she became really pivotal in this political world events

2029
01:44:37,453 --> 01:44:41,173
Speaker 24: and sought after and triumph by some and ridiculed by others.

2030
01:44:41,573 --> 01:44:43,813
Speaker 24: And war sort of suspended a lot of the rules

2031
01:44:45,333 --> 01:44:47,293
Speaker 24: and things that were going on, and she didn't really

2032
01:44:47,293 --> 01:44:49,293
Speaker 24: concern herself with it, and she managed to amass this

2033
01:44:49,413 --> 01:44:51,573
Speaker 24: wealth and trust as a woman who knew things and

2034
01:44:51,613 --> 01:44:54,173
Speaker 24: the right people you needed to notice solve problems. And

2035
01:44:54,173 --> 01:44:56,693
Speaker 24: she has this very interesting life. But years later in

2036
01:44:56,733 --> 01:44:59,573
Speaker 24: her life, she marries this guy called Avril Harriman who

2037
01:44:59,653 --> 01:45:02,253
Speaker 24: was an American politician and he were Secretary of State

2038
01:45:02,333 --> 01:45:05,733
Speaker 24: for Truman, and she begins this crusade to actually help

2039
01:45:05,773 --> 01:45:09,093
Speaker 24: the Democratic Democratic Party worked to re gain control of

2040
01:45:09,093 --> 01:45:11,853
Speaker 24: Congress and nineteen ninety two fascinating she was the force

2041
01:45:11,893 --> 01:45:16,053
Speaker 24: behind Bill Clinton actually being nominated and eventually elected as president.

2042
01:45:16,253 --> 01:45:18,973
Speaker 24: And then she's made ambassador of France at the age

2043
01:45:18,973 --> 01:45:21,613
Speaker 24: of seventy three, where apparently she was very honorable in

2044
01:45:21,653 --> 01:45:23,933
Speaker 24: that role and played a pivotal role in the US

2045
01:45:24,013 --> 01:45:26,733
Speaker 24: and NATO was near Serbian conflict and so she has

2046
01:45:26,773 --> 01:45:29,733
Speaker 24: this life that's amazing, and in the end she's almost

2047
01:45:29,733 --> 01:45:33,893
Speaker 24: bankrupt due to poor financial decisions and exchanged from children

2048
01:45:34,053 --> 01:45:36,173
Speaker 24: and conflict over their state. But you have all of

2049
01:45:36,173 --> 01:45:39,613
Speaker 24: this detail and political and royal names and every name

2050
01:45:39,653 --> 01:45:42,133
Speaker 24: you can think of in the last one hundred years

2051
01:45:42,133 --> 01:45:46,493
Speaker 24: of political knowledge and people and these remarkable contacts and

2052
01:45:46,533 --> 01:45:50,573
Speaker 24: this fascination with powerful men and people and politics, and

2053
01:45:50,573 --> 01:45:52,653
Speaker 24: it's just really interesting. And I'd never really heard about

2054
01:45:52,653 --> 01:45:57,253
Speaker 24: her and her influence in this time. And yeah, she's

2055
01:45:57,293 --> 01:45:58,133
Speaker 24: a fascinating woman.

2056
01:45:58,293 --> 01:45:59,733
Speaker 2: She sounds to me like you know how you get

2057
01:45:59,733 --> 01:46:01,893
Speaker 2: asked those things like three people you'd invite to dinner

2058
01:46:01,893 --> 01:46:05,893
Speaker 2: and everyone always says, oh, bama, it's not a bad answer.

2059
01:46:05,933 --> 01:46:07,613
Speaker 2: But she's she's the sort of person you want to

2060
01:46:07,613 --> 01:46:09,773
Speaker 2: come to dinner, someone who's lived a life, you know,

2061
01:46:09,973 --> 01:46:14,653
Speaker 2: like lived a full kind of you know, stretch of experiences.

2062
01:46:14,693 --> 01:46:16,733
Speaker 2: You know, she's she's got a really diverse experience at

2063
01:46:17,133 --> 01:46:18,573
Speaker 2: sounds absolutely amazing.

2064
01:46:18,373 --> 01:46:19,653
Speaker 24: And stories to tell.

2065
01:46:19,893 --> 01:46:21,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, cool.

2066
01:46:21,893 --> 01:46:22,093
Speaker 12: Yeah.

2067
01:46:22,133 --> 01:46:24,533
Speaker 2: So that's King Maker by Sonya Pernoell. And you've also

2068
01:46:24,533 --> 01:46:26,013
Speaker 2: read The Valley by Chris Hammer.

2069
01:46:26,773 --> 01:46:29,133
Speaker 24: So this is the fourth in the series, which feature.

2070
01:46:29,173 --> 01:46:33,253
Speaker 24: These two detectives Now Buchen and Ivan Lukik, and they

2071
01:46:33,813 --> 01:46:37,093
Speaker 24: according to this case, when this very controversial local entrepreneur

2072
01:46:37,653 --> 01:46:40,213
Speaker 24: middle of the Australian busher guy called Wolfgang Bernstein has

2073
01:46:40,213 --> 01:46:42,733
Speaker 24: found murdered on the banks of the river, and these

2074
01:46:42,733 --> 01:46:44,893
Speaker 24: old conflicts start to come back in. And he had

2075
01:46:44,933 --> 01:46:47,373
Speaker 24: been planning to use this old gold mine which had

2076
01:46:47,413 --> 01:46:50,533
Speaker 24: once been the center of this small local community and

2077
01:46:50,573 --> 01:46:53,813
Speaker 24: for ecotourism and development, and not everybody in the small

2078
01:46:53,813 --> 01:46:56,853
Speaker 24: town is completely on board with his ideas, but there's

2079
01:46:56,893 --> 01:47:00,133
Speaker 24: this man of vision and he's been successful and like

2080
01:47:00,173 --> 01:47:03,573
Speaker 24: he had brought fast internet into the town, and he

2081
01:47:03,853 --> 01:47:06,093
Speaker 24: was looking at this power plant that would generate power

2082
01:47:06,093 --> 01:47:09,093
Speaker 24: and rumoured to be have been tabling in funding a

2083
01:47:09,093 --> 01:47:12,893
Speaker 24: local political candidate as well, And so the possibilities for

2084
01:47:12,933 --> 01:47:13,493
Speaker 24: who could.

2085
01:47:13,293 --> 01:47:15,053
Speaker 7: Have murdered him are quite numerous.

2086
01:47:15,453 --> 01:47:15,893
Speaker 13: So when the.

2087
01:47:15,933 --> 01:47:19,493
Speaker 24: Detectives Ivan and Now are sent to investigate, they find

2088
01:47:19,533 --> 01:47:22,293
Speaker 24: this past encroaching on the present and this investigation and

2089
01:47:22,333 --> 01:47:25,093
Speaker 24: this old gold mine that some locals have tried to

2090
01:47:25,133 --> 01:47:27,613
Speaker 24: open thirty years ago, and a robbery that had happened

2091
01:47:27,613 --> 01:47:29,533
Speaker 24: couple of years before, and what happened in this valley

2092
01:47:29,573 --> 01:47:32,933
Speaker 24: all those years ago, and then randomly the detective. Now

2093
01:47:33,253 --> 01:47:35,253
Speaker 24: her mother has got something to do with it as well,

2094
01:47:35,293 --> 01:47:38,573
Speaker 24: and there's this police and political corruption, and these different

2095
01:47:38,613 --> 01:47:41,533
Speaker 24: timelines and perspectives lay it into the story in decades

2096
01:47:41,573 --> 01:47:44,733
Speaker 24: of secrets and lies become exposed. And I really like

2097
01:47:44,813 --> 01:47:46,893
Speaker 24: the writing style because as you get into it, there's

2098
01:47:46,933 --> 01:47:49,853
Speaker 24: so many scenarios of what might have happened, might not

2099
01:47:49,973 --> 01:47:52,293
Speaker 24: have happened, and you want to get all of the

2100
01:47:52,333 --> 01:47:55,013
Speaker 24: answers quite quickly. But it's this very complex mystery with

2101
01:47:55,093 --> 01:47:56,493
Speaker 24: lots of surprise and suspense.

2102
01:47:56,653 --> 01:47:56,853
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2103
01:47:56,933 --> 01:48:00,453
Speaker 2: Great, Okay, cool. That's The Valley by Chris Hammer. Catherine's

2104
01:48:00,453 --> 01:48:03,613
Speaker 2: first book again is A Kingmaker by Sonya Pernell, and

2105
01:48:03,653 --> 01:48:06,333
Speaker 2: both of those will be on the Newstalk ZB website.

2106
01:48:06,653 --> 01:48:09,053
Speaker 2: New music from Kimber for You're Next right Now. It

2107
01:48:09,173 --> 01:48:10,853
Speaker 2: is sixteen to twelve.

2108
01:48:10,573 --> 01:48:13,053
Speaker 1: Giving you the inside scoop on All you Need to

2109
01:48:13,213 --> 01:48:16,253
Speaker 1: Us Saturday Mornings with Jack Dame and Bepure dot co

2110
01:48:16,373 --> 01:48:19,333
Speaker 1: dot nz for high quality Supplements US talks.

2111
01:48:19,333 --> 01:48:39,973
Speaker 15: It'd be different.

2112
01:48:40,013 --> 01:48:43,893
Speaker 2: Ah, this is cool. The song is called Ride or Die.

2113
01:48:44,373 --> 01:48:47,893
Speaker 2: It's Kimber featuring Tommy Rats and Kimber's new album It's

2114
01:48:47,933 --> 01:48:51,653
Speaker 2: called Idols and Vice's Volume one. The Style Clifford is

2115
01:48:51,693 --> 01:48:55,053
Speaker 2: our music reviewer. She's been listening more than a shelder.

2116
01:48:55,093 --> 01:48:57,773
Speaker 21: I've been one of those obnoxious people who forgot her

2117
01:48:57,813 --> 01:48:59,533
Speaker 21: headphone Bolsho was walking this morning.

2118
01:48:59,613 --> 01:49:01,133
Speaker 2: Oh no, I've.

2119
01:49:01,053 --> 01:49:02,613
Speaker 21: Been listening real loud and proud.

2120
01:49:02,933 --> 01:49:03,813
Speaker 18: I mean, the great thing.

2121
01:49:03,773 --> 01:49:05,373
Speaker 21: Is you just put your phone in your sports bruh,

2122
01:49:05,613 --> 01:49:07,093
Speaker 21: keep the sound up nice aloud.

2123
01:49:08,373 --> 01:49:10,893
Speaker 2: Yourself, speak for yourself, just to be clear. You're not

2124
01:49:10,933 --> 01:49:14,133
Speaker 2: like there are certain places where it's more acceptable than others.

2125
01:49:14,213 --> 01:49:16,173
Speaker 2: You're not like sitting on the beach or something, are

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Speaker 2: you Well, I was.

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Speaker 18: Walking along the beach and then I came back. Cart

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Speaker 18: I know, but at least now more people.

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Speaker 2: Have heard Kimbra and that's not a bad thing. Yeah yeah, but.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I was one of those people you know, and

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Speaker 18: that they look at you and they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I would be judging you. I'd be judging you.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like you could just say, guys, I've

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Speaker 2: got to be on Saturday mornings in like ten minutes,

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Speaker 2: and I need to have listened to as much of

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Speaker 2: this album as many times as possible.

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Speaker 21: Exactly Idols and Advices Volume one. This is She's still

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Speaker 21: staying with what you'd expect from Kimber, that kind of

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Speaker 21: experimental pop, but more of an R and B and

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01:49:49,933 --> 01:49:53,453
Speaker 21: hip hops of influence in this album interesting Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 21: I mean it's the music actually like And what I

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Speaker 21: like about that is that she then collaborates with a

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Speaker 21: really great rap artists, not that they don't expect that

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Speaker 21: her voice could probably take her to some places, but

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Speaker 21: this is an album she she has said herself that

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Speaker 21: she wanted to work with some friends and so.

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Speaker 18: She's pulled them in.

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Speaker 21: When when Kimber does collaborations, what I think is really

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Speaker 21: great about them is she is very good at making

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Speaker 21: the other artists shine to what they're really.

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Speaker 18: Great at, right, right, And in turn she shines because

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Speaker 18: of that too, you know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I think that's.

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Speaker 21: What collaborations should be about. That you take something from

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Speaker 21: their artist that you love and then you put it

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Speaker 21: together and what it.

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Speaker 18: Is that you offer.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, And so sheats of layering in this album electric

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Speaker 21: pop sort of style going on. I feel like for

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Speaker 21: a lot of it, her voice is actually quite subtle

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Speaker 21: through a lot of the album. Yeah, And that's so

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01:50:48,133 --> 01:50:50,453
Speaker 21: that surprised me because she can really push and she can.

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Speaker 2: Go totally can Yeah, So she's kind of peered back

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01:50:54,293 --> 01:50:54,773
Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, absolutely, Yeah, and then she's put lots of layering in.

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Speaker 21: You know how, she's really good at doing those kind

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01:50:59,693 --> 01:51:01,573
Speaker 21: of ad lib riss sort of things.

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Speaker 18: I won't do it, I'll embarrass myself.

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01:51:03,733 --> 01:51:05,693
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean you've done enough this morning to

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 18: Let's strutting my stuff around. Yeah.

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Speaker 21: I think that she's been really clever at that with

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01:51:13,853 --> 01:51:17,053
Speaker 21: the production of the album, where she can kind of

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Speaker 21: hear something, she could fill a space quite nicely with

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01:51:20,253 --> 01:51:23,333
Speaker 21: some of those things she does with her voice, and

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Speaker 21: then added that into the production and it's really cool.

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Speaker 21: It is a lot about the beats and things that

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Speaker 21: fall and being a bit of a vendor of genres too,

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Speaker 21: which I really love about her. Yeah, And I just

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Speaker 21: I don't know this horse Field is actually I think

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Speaker 21: now that I've listened a few times, I think it's

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01:51:40,933 --> 01:51:44,173
Speaker 21: my favorite on the album. There's a looping of vocals

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01:51:44,453 --> 01:51:48,813
Speaker 21: and she wanted to embrace that over stimulation that you

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01:51:48,893 --> 01:51:53,973
Speaker 21: get from being online, how to put that into a musicality.

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Speaker 21: And I think she's actually, I think she's really ace.

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01:51:57,773 --> 01:51:59,853
Speaker 21: I mean, you have to listen to sort of you know,

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01:51:59,893 --> 01:52:01,613
Speaker 21: understand what it is I'm kind of going on about.

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01:52:02,213 --> 01:52:06,093
Speaker 21: And the theme is really about empowering self protection, building

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01:52:06,093 --> 01:52:11,093
Speaker 21: a full feels around you, but again with that relentless

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01:52:11,173 --> 01:52:13,373
Speaker 21: kind of bombardment, which is what the Muna does right

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01:52:13,413 --> 01:52:17,853
Speaker 21: of that stimulation of us constantly scrolling on our phones in.

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01:52:17,773 --> 01:52:20,453
Speaker 18: The digital world. So this album does actually speak a

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01:52:20,453 --> 01:52:20,933
Speaker 18: lot to that.

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Speaker 21: It's it's called idols and vices, so that phrase and

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01:52:26,133 --> 01:52:30,653
Speaker 21: glory we give to celebs and influences, and some of

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01:52:30,693 --> 01:52:34,853
Speaker 21: it really crosses the line sometimes and again she's sometimes

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Speaker 21: done that and the lyrics that she's delivered there and

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01:52:36,853 --> 01:52:40,293
Speaker 21: sometimes you'll find it in the musicality. I was so

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Speaker 21: fa fascinating concepts I was.

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Speaker 2: I was so excited when I saw she was collaborating

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Speaker 2: collaborating with Banks. Banks is one of those artists who

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Speaker 2: this happens extremely rarely in my life, but I felt

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01:52:52,013 --> 01:52:54,613
Speaker 2: like I got on the Banks buzz really early, like

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01:52:54,733 --> 01:52:57,253
Speaker 2: before Banks was cool, and then Banks kind of grew

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01:52:57,613 --> 01:52:59,453
Speaker 2: like blew up and kind of became cool. When I

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01:52:59,493 --> 01:53:02,013
Speaker 2: could be, you know, really ostentatious and be like, oh,

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01:53:02,053 --> 01:53:04,093
Speaker 2: are you only just listening to Banks now you know.

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Speaker 21: So yeah, and of course it's like just one of

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Speaker 21: Kimber's friends, right, it's someone that she knows. Yeah, there's

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Speaker 21: some really great collaborations like that, and I think they

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01:53:13,853 --> 01:53:17,453
Speaker 21: really add something. But again, I think it's her cleverness

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01:53:17,493 --> 01:53:19,093
Speaker 21: and being able to know what it is that they

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01:53:19,133 --> 01:53:22,013
Speaker 21: can add to what she wants to tell. And I

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01:53:22,013 --> 01:53:24,453
Speaker 21: think that's what makes a really good collaboration.

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01:53:24,693 --> 01:53:26,093
Speaker 18: And it's nice just to.

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01:53:28,253 --> 01:53:30,013
Speaker 21: You can just listen to it, but then you can

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01:53:30,093 --> 01:53:32,013
Speaker 21: really sink into more of it. And I think that's

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01:53:32,013 --> 01:53:34,653
Speaker 21: what Kimber's fans kind of tend to do. And especially

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01:53:34,693 --> 01:53:38,173
Speaker 21: when you've got someone like Banks, Scrill Exes and there

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01:53:38,253 --> 01:53:41,893
Speaker 21: Tommy Raps, like some really interesting people that sort of

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01:53:41,893 --> 01:53:44,653
Speaker 21: take some of these songs somewhere else, you know, and

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01:53:44,653 --> 01:53:46,733
Speaker 21: it grows on me day by day. This album so.

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01:53:47,373 --> 01:53:49,613
Speaker 2: Probably growing on all your neighbors on the beach this

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01:53:49,653 --> 01:53:50,253
Speaker 2: morning as well.

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01:53:52,693 --> 01:53:55,853
Speaker 21: The mainstream bus and embrace some Timber because she only

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01:53:55,893 --> 01:53:59,133
Speaker 21: gets more and more clever and what she does. And

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Speaker 21: I don't know that she's out to go, oh look

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01:54:00,813 --> 01:54:03,813
Speaker 21: I'm so clever. I think it's just she just legitimately

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01:54:03,933 --> 01:54:06,053
Speaker 21: is yeah, okay, yeah, and very cool.

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01:54:06,133 --> 01:54:07,253
Speaker 2: Yeah, Idols and Vices.

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01:54:07,253 --> 01:54:07,773
Speaker 12: What'd you give it?

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01:54:08,333 --> 01:54:09,213
Speaker 18: That's a ten out of ten?

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01:54:09,373 --> 01:54:13,733
Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, fantastic, Oh great, okay, well look I'm

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Speaker 2: looking forward to playing a little bit more in a

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Speaker 2: couple of minutes time. Thank you, estole pleasure. That's so good.

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01:54:19,533 --> 01:54:22,293
Speaker 2: Ten out of ten A. Yeah, Idols and Vices is

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Speaker 2: the name. Volume one is the name of the album.

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Speaker 2: Right now is eight to twelve.

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Speaker 1: A cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday mornings with

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Speaker 1: Jack Day and Bpure dot co dot zead for high

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Speaker 1: quality supplements, news talk, senb wash.

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Speaker 2: That has been the morning for me, absolutely flown by.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for all of your company, your text,

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01:54:43,293 --> 01:54:46,613
Speaker 2: your emails, your communications. This time next week we're going

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Speaker 2: to be broadcasting from the US of A counting down

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Speaker 2: to the twenty twenty four US presidential election. Going to

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Speaker 2: be very interesting experience. This afternoon, Jason Pine's behind the

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Speaker 2: mic with Weekend Sport. He's broadcasting live from Go Media

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01:54:59,813 --> 01:55:04,213
Speaker 2: Stadium aka Mount Smart. Five pm is kickoff for Auckland

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Speaker 2: FC taking on the Brisbane Raw in their first ever

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Speaker 2: game in the A League. Very very exciting times for

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01:55:09,053 --> 01:55:12,213
Speaker 2: football fans well and sporting fans. Given the nature of

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Speaker 2: all the different things on this weekend. Thanks my wonderful

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01:55:14,933 --> 01:55:17,293
Speaker 2: producer Libby for doing the tough stuff. You can find

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Speaker 2: everything from ash on the website. You know that this

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Speaker 2: is Kimber who latest album is Idols and Vices. Following one,

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Speaker 2: the song is called back to You See you next

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01:55:26,613 --> 01:55:27,773
Speaker 2: week Look and.

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01:55:28,173 --> 01:55:31,533
Speaker 22: I don't want the solo.

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Speaker 3: I don't want the cycle because I want to.

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Speaker 22: Cass No my circle. When I feel the loneliness, go

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01:56:10,173 --> 01:56:11,093
Speaker 22: right to you.

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01:56:11,293 --> 01:56:12,973
Speaker 15: I feel on the floe time.

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01:56:13,333 --> 01:56:14,933
Speaker 3: I can never see your sick.

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01:56:15,333 --> 01:56:18,693
Speaker 22: And my promise is not my sack. Go right back

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01:56:18,853 --> 01:56:28,413
Speaker 22: to your baby. Hell, everybody says a stay for somebody, sup.

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01:56:31,693 --> 01:56:35,813
Speaker 15: So hard. I'll tell me how.

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01:56:35,933 --> 01:56:37,733
Speaker 3: The only wan I don't know.

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Speaker 15: Why when I feel the loneliness and go right back

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01:56:42,853 --> 01:56:43,373
Speaker 15: to you.

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Speaker 1: For more from on Saturday Morning with Jack Tame, listen

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