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Speaker 1: Barry Sopa is our senior political correspondent. Hello, Barry, Oh,

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Speaker 1: good afternoon, Heather d Park Dealers. Well overdue, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's incredible really, And look, I take my hat

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Speaker 2: off to next Sauntner, the chief executive at Eden Park.

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Speaker 2: He works tirelessly there. And you know this deal of

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Speaker 2: the state of origin has taken three years to negotiate.

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Speaker 2: You can imagine a lot of behind the scenes would

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Speaker 2: have gone on with that, and you know they've pulled

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Speaker 2: it off. But not just that. When you look at

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Speaker 2: they can host twelve large concerts it's what one a month,

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Speaker 2: but medium sized concerts they can have another twenty any

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Speaker 2: day of the week. Now, some residents, including the old

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Speaker 2: mate Helen Clark, could be pretty upset about that. But

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Speaker 2: it's the old story, isn't it. If you buy a

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Speaker 2: house next to a or what railway line you expect

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Speaker 2: to hear trains going back.

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Speaker 1: Fair to the residents like I don't think that we

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Speaker 1: should overlook the It's a fair gripe from them, because

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Speaker 1: if you buy a house next to a railway line

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Speaker 1: where one train comes by every day, it's very different

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Speaker 1: to all of a sudden having a train coming by

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Speaker 1: every hour.

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Speaker 2: Right, But look, you know when you look at the return,

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Speaker 2: I can't remember. I think it was three dollars something

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Speaker 2: for a dollar spent, and you know that's the return

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Speaker 2: to the economy, not just an Auckland, but the country

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Speaker 2: as well. I think it's a great deal for New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: and I think you.

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Speaker 1: Know more more. But it is the actual thing, not

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Speaker 1: actually that you've got this giant facility sitting there and

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Speaker 1: you're going, no, you're not allowed to use it. Don't

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Speaker 1: use it. That's dumb.

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Speaker 2: It's a magnificent stadium. And look, I've talked to Nix

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Speaker 2: Saughtener a lot about what he would love to do there,

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Speaker 2: and the ideas that he have has I think are

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Speaker 2: absolutely fantastic and I say good luck to anyone that's

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Speaker 2: involved with them. Now.

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Speaker 1: Is Labor playing games for the indie Fdo they are?

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Speaker 2: Well? Of course they are, and you know there will

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Speaker 2: be a signature, a Labor Party signature and sign off

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Speaker 2: of this agreement. But the problem is the longer the

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Speaker 2: deal is delayed, the worse it could be for New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking of wine here, because the Europeans are champing

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Speaker 2: at the bit as well, and if we don't sign

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Speaker 2: at a certain time, then our winemakers will be disadvantage

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Speaker 2: to design understand the agreements.

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Speaker 1: It's not that we have the ability like if we

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Speaker 1: sign it now before the Europeans sign there and if

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Speaker 1: they get a better deal, then ours will automatically raise

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Speaker 1: to match their deal. But if we don't sign it

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Speaker 1: before them they get a better deal, we miss out.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly the way it's written. And you know, that

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Speaker 2: really is a big issue. And look, Chris Hopkins, some

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Speaker 2: of the stuff he's raised, and I would have thought

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Speaker 2: that he would have known this before he even raised it,

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Speaker 2: that they talked about the number of students visas going

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Speaker 2: to be issued under this agreement and how students could

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Speaker 2: be flooding into the country. Now he should said, should

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Speaker 2: be a cap on the number of students. Well, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: there's no cap. There's no immigration cap on any students

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Speaker 2: coming into New Zealand. So it's not just the Indians,

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Speaker 2: it's everybody else as well. So that's to me, that's

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Speaker 2: one of the aspects that he's concerned about. Well, if

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Speaker 2: he understood the immigration law the way he should do

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Speaker 2: before making these statements, then there wouldn't be a problem.

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Speaker 1: Now, what did you make of David Seymore's announcement yesterday

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Speaker 1: that he wants a smaller government. Government department's what forty

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Speaker 1: one down to thirty and minister's twenty eight down to twenty.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we've heard it all before. I mean he

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Speaker 2: first made the call and I think it was May

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Speaker 2: last year, just at the beginning of May. And you

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Speaker 2: know he's air marked a number of ministries he'd like

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Speaker 2: to see act, and you know, the Mari Development Ministry,

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Speaker 2: the People's Specific Ministry, Women Ethnic Communities, and outside the

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Speaker 2: ministries he had also liked the Human Rights Commission to go.

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Speaker 2: Would reduce a lot of public servants, There's no doubt

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Speaker 2: about that. And you've got to look at some of

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Speaker 2: these ministries and say, really are they worthy of remaining

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Speaker 2: on the books they're not.

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Speaker 1: Actually delivering a service. Well, let's think about it like this.

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Speaker 1: You have got some service delivery ministries, right, so the

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Speaker 1: idea is actually taking tax and paying things and blah

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Speaker 1: blah blah. You've got the Ministry of Health that's actually

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Speaker 1: doing things like running a health department. If it's just

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Speaker 1: a policy ministry, like just a bunch of people sitting

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Speaker 1: around thinking about that ministry.

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Speaker 2: Led into another ministry quite easily, scrap it.

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Speaker 1: Why do you want to keep a scrap at it?

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Speaker 1: If all they're doing is thinking about things, get rid

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Speaker 1: of them.

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Speaker 2: The other thing is that, of course the number of

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Speaker 2: ministers he's suggested eight ministry should go. This is Minister Portfolios,

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Speaker 2: child poverty reduction, where we saw how successful just doing

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Speaker 2: this with that one, Hospitality, voluntary sector, racing Auckland, South Ireland,

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Speaker 2: hunting and fishing and space. I think space though, I

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Speaker 2: quite like the Space Ministry because we've increased the number

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Speaker 2: of launchers now that we're allowed to have from New Zealand.

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Speaker 1: And I think so she made one decision and you

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Speaker 1: like the whole minister she's you're easy to please.

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Speaker 2: No, No, it's not that Heather. This this could be

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Speaker 2: a real money spinner for this country. I mean we

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Speaker 2: could be this, we could be the NASA of the future.

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Speaker 1: Barry. It's not a minister that's going to spin the money.

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Speaker 1: It's a private sector.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the private sector. The private sector is pushing this

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Speaker 2: government and doing quite well, thank you. And I think

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Speaker 2: we should have a minister that they can lobby to

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Speaker 2: do these sorts of things.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Barry, thanks, Senior political correspondent.

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