1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: It looks like Doc is going to do a U 2 00:00:01,560 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: turnover those lizards. They initially told McCrae's mind in Central 3 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 1: Otago no, they couldn't expand ten thousand lizards might die. 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 1: But then after media attention yesterday, they've taken another look 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: at the application. Tama Pautucker is the Conservation Minister and 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: with us now morning again, tommer. 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 2: Cure to here. They're great to talk with you again. 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: Is it going to be a yes. 9 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 2: Well, that's a matter that DOC and Oceana worked on yesterday. 10 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 2: That a very productive meeting. I expect that they're going 11 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 2: to progress that application very swiftly, environmental pregnantism and within 12 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: the rules. 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: Did you tell Doc to have another look at it. 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 2: I've found out about this matter and I've said to 15 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 2: Doc what has happened here. They've admitted that infested up. 16 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 2: There was a miscommunication. They weren't clear about information requirements 17 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: for the customer, Oceana Gold, and they declined it too quickly. 18 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 2: So they have reviewed that and convened a very quick 19 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 2: COOIE with Oceana Gold senior management yesterday. 20 00:00:58,040 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: Why did they decline it too quickly? 21 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: Look, they received applications over a period of time with Oceania, 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 2: they were not clear about the information requirements and this 23 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 2: matter was not ultimately escalated to the senior management team, 24 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: and within DOC they've made a decision and declined when 25 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: they should have gone back to Oceana and said, look, 26 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: this is really what we need to do in order 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: to get this Lizard plan sorted in time for you 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: to carry on your good work down there in Otago. 29 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Did they decline it too quickly, because actually you've put 30 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: the screws on DOC to get through that backlog of 31 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 1: applications and they've declined a whole bunch really quickly. 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 2: No. No, they just were not clear about the information requirements. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: And for me, I've been really clear about my expectation 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 2: when there's a situation like this, followed the rules, but 35 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 2: be environmentally pragmatic and be aware of the economic context 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: that this country's operated in right now as well. Just 37 00:01:56,760 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 2: be aware. 38 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:00,160 Speaker 1: Are you absolutely confident there aren't going to be other 39 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: cases like this that pop up? Get media attention? DOCS 40 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 1: made a dumb call and they're going to have to 41 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: go look at it again. 42 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: Are you sure well? 43 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: Is that they've declined, They've just whipped through what is 44 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: what was there. Their list in September was about thirteen 45 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: hundred applications. It's five hundred hour. 46 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: It's reduced five hundred. No. I've been assured by Doc 47 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,080 Speaker 2: that they do not want to be undertaking the mahey 48 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 2: that they're doing and miscommunicating with people, and that's my expectation. 49 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 2: They have to be very careful and communicate clearly with customers, 50 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: be customer focused and the customer assistance. 51 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 1: I've been pointed to possibly another stuff up by them, 52 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 1: which is corkerdy Lime Quarry in the West Coast. 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:44,399 Speaker 2: You aware of this one, I'm not aware. I am 54 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 2: aware of one of the kukerdy Lime ones that was 55 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 2: sorted earlier this year, but I'm not right down in 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: the details. 57 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: So what's happened here. What's happened here is the Fergusons 58 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: have applied for fifteen hectares of land to be able 59 00:02:56,200 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: to get the line out because they need it. They 60 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: need to they needed to keep flood war away and 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: stuff like that. So I've applied for fifteen hectares. They've 62 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:05,639 Speaker 1: just been given one hectare. They only took the one 63 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: hectare because they've been waiting for five years for Doctor 64 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: give permission. Now, that seems to me like that's potentially 65 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: a problem. 66 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 2: Well, there's a number of applicants that have been weighing 67 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: a very, very long time, and that's why I've been 68 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 2: clear with Doc. You need to get onto it and 69 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: make decisions, but be very very aware of the context 70 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 2: that you're operating in and be environmentally pragmatic. Countries is a. 71 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: Solution to it to go Yeah, you can do it, 72 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: but only six percent of what you want. 73 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 2: Now. I'm not across the entire details of that particular 74 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: issue Heaven, and that's a matter that I can raise. 75 00:03:39,480 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 2: But I've just set expectations and I expect them to 76 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 2: be met. 77 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: All right, come and listen. Thank you as always for 78 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: your time. You have yourself a lovely day. We'll talk 79 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: to you again soon. 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