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Speaker 2: Welcome to podcast two hundred and forty nine for July

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Speaker 2: thirty one, twenty twenty four. Patrick Masham returns after an

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Speaker 2: extended but unintended absence I think about ten months. Patrick

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Speaker 2: founded the Democracy Institute in Washington, d C. And London

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Speaker 2: and his organization does regular polling for the London Daily

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Speaker 2: Express and more, and his polling method has proven pretty

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Speaker 2: accurate to date. And part two of the eighty minute

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Speaker 2: interview that we did with Ramesh thecur on important matters

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Speaker 2: such as the dangers of a cash free society, and

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Speaker 2: there are plenty diversity in equity and inclusion, etc. And

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Speaker 2: we also cover Julian Massage the rights and wrongs as

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Speaker 2: we see it, and we have a bit of variation,

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Speaker 2: and there are other matters as well. Now, something that

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Speaker 2: I'm adverse to doing is predicting the next week's content

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Speaker 2: of a podcast, because things tend to happen but the

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Speaker 2: announcement today by in New Zealand regarding the company's green

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Speaker 2: agenda has well, I've got to say it's amused me.

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Speaker 2: Reading comments this morning also frustrated me. So there are

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Speaker 2: issues to address, but they will have to wait in

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Speaker 2: a moment. Patrick Basham Patrick Bajem is well known to

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Speaker 2: the majority of listeners to this podcast because he has

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Speaker 2: appeared on numerous occasions over a number of years. In fact,

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Speaker 2: we first met I think it was twenty thirteen when

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Speaker 2: he was actually in New Zealand. He is the founding

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Speaker 2: director of the Democracy Institute, which is based in Washington

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Speaker 2: and London. It's a research organization and Patrick does a

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Speaker 2: lot of research. In fact, you are doing a great

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Speaker 2: deal of research at the moment. Patrick, It's great to

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Speaker 2: have you back on the podcast. The Laily Express is

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Speaker 2: exploiting your work.

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Speaker 3: Yes, indeed, high lighton. Wonderful to be back with you

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Speaker 3: and with your final audience. Alwas appreciating the invitation, the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to have a conversation with you about important things. Yes,

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Speaker 3: we do a lot of public and private polling, and

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Speaker 3: most of our public polling in terms of American politics

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Speaker 3: the UK, and so we always do at least a

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Speaker 3: monthly poll for them, but we also do more real

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Speaker 3: time timely polls when news merits, and there's been a

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Speaker 3: lot of that lately. So we continue to pump out

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Speaker 3: the numbers. They continue to please some and irritate others,

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Speaker 3: but that probably means that we're maybe getting it close

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Speaker 2: Indeed, is it difficult to keep up at the moment.

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Speaker 4: It is.

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Speaker 3: One of the things that's always difficult with polling is

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Speaker 3: is to figure out just what it is that people

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Speaker 3: important issue is that type of question that your audience

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Speaker 3: will be very familiar with, and where in the normal

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Speaker 3: course of events that ebbs and flows. But there are

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Speaker 3: only occasional events that and it sort of interventions that

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Speaker 3: sort of upset those particular apple carts or really sort

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Speaker 3: the US context, of course, over the last several weeks,

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Speaker 3: had the assassination attempt on Trump. Then we had the

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Speaker 3: Republican Convention, Then we had Biden quitting the race. Now

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Speaker 3: we have you know, Harris against Trump. Apparently, So all

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Speaker 3: of this happened within a number of weeks, and most

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Speaker 3: Figure out how much change that is creating in voters'

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Speaker 3: of let let it all out and just let time

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Speaker 4: That's a huge of.

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Speaker 3: Course, that we don't have any more of these unexpected

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Speaker 2: I've got to I've got to mention my favorite question

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Speaker 2: and don't know what answers. Thirteen is my lucky number,

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Speaker 2: and yes is thirteen.

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Speaker 4: Oh it's the Is it the hunt of Biden?

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Speaker 2: You got it? Sure, good hunter Biden seek Democratic presidential nomination.

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Speaker 2: And it just stunned me that there were actually thirteen

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Speaker 2: percent of respondents who said yes. Do you think they

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Speaker 4: I think so? Would you see?

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Speaker 3: That means that about a third a third of Democratic

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Speaker 3: folks who think that Joe Biden is just a wonderful father.

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Speaker 3: His son has just had some bad luck and has

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Speaker 3: been maligned by the media and the Republicans. And what

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Speaker 3: Hunter has been doing, it was doing, you know, well,

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden's departure from the presidential race, was counseling his father,

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Speaker 3: being a good son, trying to run the country as

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Speaker 3: best he could in his father's literal absence. And they just,

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Speaker 3: you know, they think that thing critical is a lie,

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Speaker 3: and they will say they will support anything that Biden

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Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a reflexive default position.

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Speaker 3: And but apart from those folks, those find people, everybody

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Speaker 3: else pretty much understands that you wouldn't you know, you

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Speaker 3: wouldn't want to hunt Biden though within within striking distance

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Speaker 4: A fish and chip shop, let alone the presidency.

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Speaker 2: Well at least you'd have access to his supply.

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Speaker 3: The the no figure was absolutely you, yes, there was

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Speaker 2: Perhaps, yes, So the no vote was eighty four percent

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Speaker 2: and don't know, three percent you can forgive that. Don't

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Speaker 2: the pulling that you've done throughout some throughout numbers and attitudes,

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Speaker 2: but the yes vote was sixty three percent, twenty eight

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Speaker 2: but how would she be performing now in your polling?

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Speaker 3: Well, we actually did our most recent poll that came

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Speaker 3: the first poll that we have had her up against

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Speaker 3: Harris for quite some time as a possibility if if

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Speaker 3: say that Harris isn't doing particularly well, and that the

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Speaker 3: and this is now an uber competitive race where Harris

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Speaker 4: By sort of fletting that out a little. If you'd

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Speaker 4: like it, go for it.

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Speaker 3: Well, Okay, So first of all, this the context of

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Speaker 3: that is a very competitive close race, right, and the

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Speaker 3: Everybody pretty much agrees, and then Biden started to lose

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Speaker 3: support apparently, which was true. He lost more support. Then

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Speaker 3: Everything that happened, the debate, the assassination attempt, the convention

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Speaker 3: And the Democrats publicly at least refused to acknowledge the

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Speaker 3: always they've argued the problem was Biden has simply become

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Speaker 3: and they're saying, so there we are, We're right, right,

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Speaker 3: we were right. It wasn't about the policies or how

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Speaker 3: it was simply, you know, he was too snow seen

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Speaker 4: And look at these polls showing that she's doing really well.

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Speaker 3: What those polls The reason those polls are showing that

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Speaker 3: but certainly the outcome is that they are over sampling Democrats.

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Speaker 3: They're including too many Democrats disproportionate number of Democrats, then

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Speaker 3: whom all of whom are going to vote for the

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Speaker 3: Democratic candidate, then you get it. Instead of trumping up

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Speaker 3: Our first poll, almost recent poll Trump against Harris, Trump

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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to count to you because she has

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Speaker 2: It does seem highly unlikely. I based my prediction in

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Speaker 3: COVID period with his critiques.

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Speaker 2: Of yeah in that regard, Yeah, yeah, he wrote some.

438
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Speaker 2: He wrote a series. You know, there were a number

439
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Speaker 2: of series of books starring in each series from different

440
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Speaker 2: authors of you know, one particular hero, and he had one,

441
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Speaker 2: and I've got a collection of them. I just thought

442
00:25:57,693 --> 00:26:03,613
Speaker 2: i'd tell you he's written a piece that's about another piece.

443
00:26:04,533 --> 00:26:07,613
Speaker 2: If I'm making sense, and his is headed read this

444
00:26:07,813 --> 00:26:11,973
Speaker 2: and weak and then it brackets and be outraged. Heather

445
00:26:12,053 --> 00:26:14,453
Speaker 2: McDonald's been writing about the war on men for a while.

446
00:26:14,493 --> 00:26:18,213
Speaker 2: Today in City Journal she turned her attention to the

447
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Speaker 2: Boy Scouts, who are no longer the boy Scouts at all,

448
00:26:21,773 --> 00:26:27,093
Speaker 2: but Scouting America. Now. This is all about DEI and

449
00:26:27,213 --> 00:26:33,733
Speaker 2: associated woke matters. And when you read, and you can,

450
00:26:33,893 --> 00:26:38,853
Speaker 2: if you go to a Cityjournal dot org Cityjournal dot org,

451
00:26:38,973 --> 00:26:43,453
Speaker 2: you'll find the full piece written by Heather McDonald, and

452
00:26:43,533 --> 00:26:45,973
Speaker 2: it's worthy of attention. The Boy Scouts of America has

453
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Speaker 2: a Chief Diversity Officer and Vice President of Diversity and Inclusion.

454
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Speaker 2: The organization requires all Eagle Scouts to earn a badge

455
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Speaker 2: in Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. And I can't go on

456
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Speaker 2: because I'll throw up. I wonder if well you tell me,

457
00:27:03,853 --> 00:27:09,173
Speaker 2: you tell us is wokeness and DEI on the way?

458
00:27:09,493 --> 00:27:12,253
Speaker 2: Is it under threat or is it still raging?

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Speaker 3: It is all of the Abovely, it is still raging

460
00:27:19,653 --> 00:27:23,853
Speaker 3: because those who advocate for it, and more specifically, those

461
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Speaker 3: in positions either positions created to advocate for it, usually

462
00:27:30,333 --> 00:27:33,893
Speaker 3: paid for by the taxpayer or paid for courtesy of

463
00:27:34,693 --> 00:27:41,613
Speaker 3: big business. Those folks are true believers, and of course

464
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Speaker 3: they want the cottage industry to continue to continue to grow.

465
00:27:46,573 --> 00:27:49,373
Speaker 3: So that is not going to stop until they are stopped, until,

466
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Speaker 3: for example, you know, Coca Cola and McDonald's and you

467
00:27:53,573 --> 00:27:57,013
Speaker 3: name the big multinational, until they eliminate these positions, until

468
00:27:57,013 --> 00:28:01,093
Speaker 3: the government eliminates these positions, until the academy ellict eliminates

469
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Speaker 3: these positions, these folks will continue making their often high

470
00:28:04,813 --> 00:28:10,653
Speaker 3: six figure salaries and pouring out more of this nonsense. However,

471
00:28:11,893 --> 00:28:16,253
Speaker 3: as more and more regular folk come to understand what

472
00:28:16,453 --> 00:28:18,773
Speaker 3: is going on, what has been going on, and what

473
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Speaker 3: the plans are for the future. The normal, the regular folk.

474
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Speaker 3: The regular person's response is that they too are horrified.

475
00:28:27,373 --> 00:28:31,253
Speaker 3: They're baffled. At first, people don't believe it's true because

476
00:28:31,533 --> 00:28:36,053
Speaker 3: it is so bizarre, so surreal, so ridiculous, so farcical.

477
00:28:36,213 --> 00:28:37,653
Speaker 4: And then they discover.

478
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Speaker 3: Because they started looking at their kids' textbooks, or they

479
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Speaker 3: talk to people they work with and their experience in

480
00:28:43,413 --> 00:28:46,853
Speaker 3: the service, that they watch Disney films and programs. But

481
00:28:46,933 --> 00:28:51,933
Speaker 3: this is actually true, and most people think the world's

482
00:28:51,973 --> 00:28:53,453
Speaker 3: gone mad. There's not much they can do about it.

483
00:28:53,493 --> 00:28:56,173
Speaker 3: But some people, particularly when it comes to education. Parents,

484
00:28:56,173 --> 00:28:59,173
Speaker 3: a lot of parents are trying to take back control,

485
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Speaker 3: which is something that not just the woosters what the

486
00:29:03,053 --> 00:29:08,813
Speaker 3: liberal elites who govern education in most Western countries are

487
00:29:08,893 --> 00:29:13,333
Speaker 3: very resistant to allow to give that control back, not

488
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Speaker 3: just in a power sense, but ideologically.

489
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Speaker 4: They actually think the parents shouldn't have control.

490
00:29:18,053 --> 00:29:21,173
Speaker 3: The government should have control of your kid's education, obviously,

491
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Speaker 3: and so public opinion, which didn't really consider these things

492
00:29:27,613 --> 00:29:34,213
Speaker 3: until fairly recently, is massively overwhelmingly against all of this madness.

493
00:29:35,253 --> 00:29:39,893
Speaker 3: And those politicians who are brave enough to step out

494
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Speaker 3: in front of that public opinion and sort of tend

495
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Speaker 3: to walk walk in front of it, lead it as

496
00:29:45,733 --> 00:29:49,293
Speaker 3: best they can, you know, tend to do well. But

497
00:29:49,373 --> 00:29:53,013
Speaker 3: most politicians are still scared because they don't want to

498
00:29:53,053 --> 00:29:55,853
Speaker 3: be labeled racist and homophobic and all the rest of it.

499
00:29:56,093 --> 00:30:00,813
Speaker 4: And just in terms of public opinion itself, just as this.

500
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Speaker 3: Either be real, I mean, may or may not be

501
00:30:02,333 --> 00:30:06,893
Speaker 3: reassuring to your audience, but just as overwhelmingly voters are

502
00:30:06,973 --> 00:30:11,253
Speaker 3: against these transgender policies or you you know, the critical

503
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Speaker 3: race theory or d I and all of that, these

504
00:30:14,893 --> 00:30:18,653
Speaker 3: are not racist, homophobic, misogynistic people.

505
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Speaker 4: They recognize there's a great deal. Look, there's all the

506
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Speaker 4: limbs in the.

507
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Speaker 3: World between treating everyone equally regardless of gender, race, sexual

508
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Speaker 3: orientation and treating some groups discriminating in favor of certain

509
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Speaker 3: groups because they are the minority.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And so the people get it now, more and more

512
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Speaker 3: politicians get it. But we're still a long way from

513
00:30:42,773 --> 00:30:47,693
Speaker 3: getting rid of it. Because as obviously, the the woosters,

514
00:30:47,773 --> 00:30:51,373
Speaker 3: the woke industry has you know, established pretty strong roots

515
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Speaker 3: in some places, and every you know, every Olympics opening

516
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Speaker 3: ceremony to bacle helps you know, helps thots.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just got a great big boost. Yes Watching

518
00:31:06,533 --> 00:31:10,213
Speaker 2: television yesterday, there was a sequence of commentaries by Kamala

519
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Speaker 2: Harris of her talking about equity, equity, equity, equity, equity everywhere,

520
00:31:16,933 --> 00:31:18,653
Speaker 2: and he just went on and on and on different

521
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Speaker 2: speeches and in equity, repeating herself. And if the if

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Speaker 2: the American public realizing that voted for her and she

523
00:31:28,053 --> 00:31:31,813
Speaker 2: became the president, I think of Mary, I think you'd

524
00:31:31,813 --> 00:31:32,293
Speaker 2: move out.

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Speaker 3: Oh, it's yeah, it's it's pretty unimaginable because, you know,

526
00:31:38,133 --> 00:31:42,773
Speaker 3: when people were voting for Biden, here's somebody who's demonstrably.

527
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Speaker 4: Corrupt on Earth the call and challenged in various ways.

528
00:31:48,133 --> 00:31:51,813
Speaker 3: But he's someone who always, at least within his own party,

529
00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:52,693
Speaker 3: just went with the flow.

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00:31:52,813 --> 00:31:52,933
Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: He was pro segregation at the beginning.

532
00:31:54,813 --> 00:31:57,173
Speaker 3: He ended up being on the woke side because that's

533
00:31:57,253 --> 00:32:00,453
Speaker 3: just way the way the music was playing, and he

534
00:32:00,573 --> 00:32:02,973
Speaker 3: just you know, tried to go with that and very

535
00:32:03,013 --> 00:32:06,373
Speaker 3: successfully throughout you know, forty to fifty year career. Well,

536
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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, she has to leaves this stuff, right. I mean,

537
00:32:11,173 --> 00:32:14,213
Speaker 3: she she is someone who is I mean, she's not

538
00:32:14,293 --> 00:32:18,773
Speaker 3: very bright. That's one problem, and she's rather unethical, that's

539
00:32:18,773 --> 00:32:21,893
Speaker 3: another problem. But she actually is a true believer. I mean,

540
00:32:21,933 --> 00:32:24,733
Speaker 3: she can't do anything more than spout talking points. She

541
00:32:24,813 --> 00:32:30,253
Speaker 3: can't debate it, she can't defend it, but she actually

542
00:32:30,653 --> 00:32:33,733
Speaker 3: likes it. You know, she wants more of it. And

543
00:32:34,013 --> 00:32:36,653
Speaker 3: you know, her problem is not that Trump's wall wasn't finished,

544
00:32:36,693 --> 00:32:38,173
Speaker 3: that it was started in the first place.

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00:32:38,453 --> 00:32:41,173
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why you know JD. Vass is debating her.

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Speaker 3: I'd like him, for example, to ask her, which of

547
00:32:45,053 --> 00:32:51,613
Speaker 3: your Marxist economist father's beliefs did you do you agree with?

548
00:32:51,813 --> 00:32:53,893
Speaker 3: And which do you disagree with? You know, I mean

549
00:32:53,933 --> 00:32:56,693
Speaker 3: it's you know, it's in the DNA. I mean, I

550
00:32:56,693 --> 00:32:58,853
Speaker 3: think he was a thousand times smarter than her. It's

551
00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:01,853
Speaker 3: wrong on everything. She's wrong on everything and not very smart.

552
00:33:01,973 --> 00:33:07,093
Speaker 3: So it's it's even more alarming and probably even more

553
00:33:07,173 --> 00:33:10,373
Speaker 3: dangerous than if she if she was actually a smart

554
00:33:10,453 --> 00:33:14,573
Speaker 3: Marxist or a dim opportunist like Biden.

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00:33:15,453 --> 00:33:17,853
Speaker 2: Well, if he answered that sort of question, she'd probably

556
00:33:17,893 --> 00:33:20,653
Speaker 2: answer along the lines of what's gone before?

557
00:33:22,693 --> 00:33:25,093
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly exactly.

558
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Speaker 3: And I mean the next spicacle of the press question,

559
00:33:27,813 --> 00:33:32,293
Speaker 3: of course, is to ask her what the reparations she's cutting,

560
00:33:32,413 --> 00:33:36,173
Speaker 3: giving her family slaveholding history in the Caribbean. But she's

561
00:33:37,013 --> 00:33:39,853
Speaker 3: she's she's there's so much low hanging fruit with a

562
00:33:39,893 --> 00:33:44,933
Speaker 3: candidate like her right in California. It's more difficult because

563
00:33:44,973 --> 00:33:50,133
Speaker 3: California is California. But in terms of what she has

564
00:33:50,213 --> 00:33:52,253
Speaker 3: to do to win, you know, she doesn't have to

565
00:33:52,293 --> 00:33:55,853
Speaker 3: convert people in Manhattan or even people in Florida. She

566
00:33:55,933 --> 00:34:02,533
Speaker 3: has to convert white blue collar men in the rust belt, right.

567
00:34:03,453 --> 00:34:06,453
Speaker 4: She has to. She doesn't mean she doesn't like white men.

568
00:34:07,293 --> 00:34:09,773
Speaker 4: She doesn't like white people bring much at all, and

569
00:34:09,853 --> 00:34:10,933
Speaker 4: she has to convert them.

570
00:34:10,973 --> 00:34:16,213
Speaker 3: And they're worried about illegal immigration and inflation and the

571
00:34:16,293 --> 00:34:18,573
Speaker 3: lack of manufacturing jobs and crime.

572
00:34:18,933 --> 00:34:21,853
Speaker 4: It's a heavy lift for a candidate like her.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, just finally want to quote you somebody named Matthew Garrett.

574
00:34:28,133 --> 00:34:31,973
Speaker 2: To my colleagues at Bakersfield College and nationwide, I say,

575
00:34:32,293 --> 00:34:36,213
Speaker 2: keep the faith. We are winning the battle one case

576
00:34:36,733 --> 00:34:41,013
Speaker 2: at a time. Is a conservative professor who got disciplined

577
00:34:41,093 --> 00:34:45,373
Speaker 2: for criticizing DEI and has won two point four million

578
00:34:45,453 --> 00:34:48,733
Speaker 2: dollars to settle the lawsuit against the college. Isn't that

579
00:34:48,773 --> 00:34:49,893
Speaker 2: great news? Headlines?

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Speaker 3: It is great, and there are things happening in the

581
00:34:53,733 --> 00:34:58,293
Speaker 3: last let's say, twelve months that weren't happening twenty four,

582
00:34:58,413 --> 00:35:02,853
Speaker 3: thirty six, forty eight months ago, and this is very encouraging.

583
00:35:02,933 --> 00:35:06,773
Speaker 3: There were occasional victories, now the victories are starting to

584
00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:10,813
Speaker 3: pile up. Right, Are we at a currical mass? We

585
00:35:10,853 --> 00:35:12,333
Speaker 3: are in terms of we are in a critical mass in

586
00:35:12,413 --> 00:35:14,573
Speaker 3: terms of public opinion. But are we at a critical

587
00:35:14,573 --> 00:35:20,053
Speaker 3: mass in terms of policy, legislation, the law, in terms

588
00:35:20,053 --> 00:35:22,453
Speaker 3: of those who are those who are making decisions in

589
00:35:22,533 --> 00:35:26,893
Speaker 3: politics or in the corporate world, in academia. No, we're not,

590
00:35:27,173 --> 00:35:30,333
Speaker 3: but we appear to be closer, much closer than we were.

591
00:35:30,693 --> 00:35:34,533
Speaker 3: And how this election goes in November, not just presidentially,

592
00:35:34,573 --> 00:35:37,533
Speaker 3: but at the congressional level as well, is going to

593
00:35:37,573 --> 00:35:41,453
Speaker 3: tell us a lot about whether that momentum, positive momentum,

594
00:35:41,613 --> 00:35:45,493
Speaker 3: continues and we can kind of see the promised land somewhere,

595
00:35:45,653 --> 00:35:47,573
Speaker 3: maybe far in the distance, but at least it's there,

596
00:35:48,013 --> 00:35:50,733
Speaker 3: or whether we sort of look at each other and say,

597
00:35:50,813 --> 00:35:53,253
Speaker 3: my god, you know it's time to run for the.

598
00:35:53,293 --> 00:35:58,053
Speaker 2: Hills lot as there's caves in the hills. I will

599
00:35:58,093 --> 00:36:02,453
Speaker 2: take this opportunity to say, well, actually, to ask you

600
00:36:02,693 --> 00:36:04,933
Speaker 2: how often, how frequently are you going to be running

601
00:36:05,013 --> 00:36:05,973
Speaker 2: the pulling?

602
00:36:07,813 --> 00:36:10,773
Speaker 3: At least at least monthly, but it's probably going to

603
00:36:10,773 --> 00:36:13,293
Speaker 3: be twice a month the way things are looking now.

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Speaker 2: All right, So I will utilize your figures and whenever

605
00:36:18,613 --> 00:36:22,613
Speaker 2: it is appropriate we shall talk. If you accept my invitation.

606
00:36:23,333 --> 00:36:27,533
Speaker 3: Absolutely, whenever you think I can be helpful, I will

607
00:36:27,933 --> 00:36:29,733
Speaker 3: endeavor to do so.

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Speaker 2: It is great talking to you again, Thank.

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00:36:31,573 --> 00:36:52,453
Speaker 3: You, Thank you late, and pleasure in honors Mine.

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Speaker 2: Farmer Broker Auckland. Part two of the eighty minute interview

634
00:38:18,893 --> 00:38:21,573
Speaker 2: that we did with Ramesh the khur So, bringing it

635
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Speaker 2: back to the to the to the present and another matter.

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Speaker 2: We all agreed that speech, free speech is very important.

637
00:38:30,933 --> 00:38:35,733
Speaker 2: You can't have democracy without free speech, It's not possible.

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00:38:36,493 --> 00:38:41,973
Speaker 2: So there was somebody who was in a crossover consistency.

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00:38:41,973 --> 00:38:44,413
Speaker 2: I suppose there was somebody who spent a long time

640
00:38:46,013 --> 00:38:51,573
Speaker 2: either either penned up or in jail, who has very

641
00:38:51,613 --> 00:38:54,613
Speaker 2: recently been released, of course, and that is Julian Assange.

642
00:38:55,813 --> 00:39:02,853
Speaker 2: And you wrote on you called the column defending Assange.

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00:39:04,933 --> 00:39:07,653
Speaker 2: I started out, if I may. I started out years

644
00:39:07,653 --> 00:39:11,013
Speaker 2: ago thinking he was guilty and deserved what he got.

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00:39:11,773 --> 00:39:13,973
Speaker 2: But as time went by and I found out more,

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Speaker 2: in the end came to a to a different conclusion.

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00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:22,773
Speaker 2: Now I have I have family members who have been

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00:39:22,973 --> 00:39:27,493
Speaker 2: US military people in the States, and so if I

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Speaker 2: said this even today, I'd get my head torn off

650
00:39:31,293 --> 00:39:37,173
Speaker 2: because because they haven't changed their minds. But my final

651
00:39:37,213 --> 00:39:39,813
Speaker 2: word to people who say, well, why do you think so,

652
00:39:40,133 --> 00:39:43,253
Speaker 2: is because he has been He has spent his time

653
00:39:44,093 --> 00:39:51,653
Speaker 2: being behind bars and inhibited from from doing anything outside

654
00:39:51,693 --> 00:39:55,013
Speaker 2: of four walls for a long long time, so he's

655
00:39:55,013 --> 00:39:57,493
Speaker 2: paid the price. Anyway.

656
00:39:58,853 --> 00:40:05,733
Speaker 5: You say, well again, I'm in via at the same

657
00:40:07,413 --> 00:40:11,853
Speaker 5: page in story now you and I. But we obviously

658
00:40:11,933 --> 00:40:15,893
Speaker 5: began differently because from the start I didn't think he

659
00:40:15,973 --> 00:40:21,093
Speaker 5: should have been interested if for another reasons. Firstly, he's

660
00:40:21,133 --> 00:40:28,173
Speaker 5: an Australian citizen. If you and I break an American law,

661
00:40:29,333 --> 00:40:31,453
Speaker 5: they can arrest us if you're in the United States.

662
00:40:31,573 --> 00:40:34,893
Speaker 5: I don't see why their law should apply extraterritorially twelves here.

663
00:40:36,453 --> 00:40:40,253
Speaker 5: So that's the first thing to remember, and of course

664
00:40:40,253 --> 00:40:42,613
Speaker 5: that makes it worse when they start talking about treason, Well,

665
00:40:42,653 --> 00:40:47,413
Speaker 5: your country. You can't be guilty of treason against another country.

666
00:40:47,453 --> 00:40:51,493
Speaker 5: It has to be your country. So I think second,

667
00:40:52,093 --> 00:41:00,453
Speaker 5: this convention of releasing information that you have that may

668
00:41:00,573 --> 00:41:07,093
Speaker 5: cause embarrassment discomfort to governments, if you do it.

669
00:41:08,893 --> 00:41:11,133
Speaker 2: Responsibly as media.

670
00:41:12,253 --> 00:41:16,613
Speaker 5: And withhold information rather than publish it that, in your judgment,

671
00:41:17,293 --> 00:41:21,893
Speaker 5: is going to endanger lives, then that has a long

672
00:41:21,973 --> 00:41:26,253
Speaker 5: and distinguished history, which as far as press freedom is concerned,

673
00:41:27,053 --> 00:41:29,893
Speaker 5: I don't have any problem with the media cooperating with

674
00:41:29,933 --> 00:41:34,693
Speaker 5: authorities not to put lives at risk. And so in

675
00:41:34,733 --> 00:41:37,853
Speaker 5: that article I did say, if in fact the disclosures

676
00:41:38,653 --> 00:41:46,293
Speaker 5: did lead to jeopardizing the lives of soldiers, then identify

677
00:41:46,333 --> 00:41:49,573
Speaker 5: that and prosecute those individually rather than a blanket back.

678
00:41:50,613 --> 00:41:54,733
Speaker 5: And what he was doing was he was publishing information

679
00:41:54,853 --> 00:42:01,333
Speaker 5: that showed illegal and possibly criminal activities by our own governments,

680
00:42:02,493 --> 00:42:07,493
Speaker 5: and that should never be punishable under our us if

681
00:42:07,493 --> 00:42:10,053
Speaker 5: you've got it to the rule of law and the.

682
00:42:09,933 --> 00:42:10,853
Speaker 2: Freedom of the press.

683
00:42:12,333 --> 00:42:16,093
Speaker 5: I think that is exactly what visual protection laws are

684
00:42:16,093 --> 00:42:20,133
Speaker 5: needed for and have evolved over time because we recognize that.

685
00:42:20,813 --> 00:42:23,573
Speaker 5: So the comparison to the Pentagon papers, I think is

686
00:42:23,653 --> 00:42:29,333
Speaker 5: very direct. And that example I gave of Australia's agencies

687
00:42:29,493 --> 00:42:33,493
Speaker 5: snooping on the East timor ease is after well, we

688
00:42:33,613 --> 00:42:36,893
Speaker 5: condemned these actions and when the Chinese and the Russians

689
00:42:36,893 --> 00:42:39,933
Speaker 5: and the Iranians do it, and I think we should

690
00:42:40,013 --> 00:42:43,973
Speaker 5: condemn the persecution of people on those lines as well.

691
00:42:44,013 --> 00:42:47,733
Speaker 5: So yes, if Asciance disclosed anything that led to identifiable

692
00:42:47,733 --> 00:42:51,613
Speaker 5: threats against people, far by all means prosecute them.

693
00:42:51,653 --> 00:42:53,493
Speaker 2: For that is.

694
00:42:54,973 --> 00:42:57,093
Speaker 5: No, I am not aware of a single case where

695
00:42:57,133 --> 00:43:02,333
Speaker 5: it has actually put someone's laugh at risk. Now and

696
00:43:03,133 --> 00:43:05,573
Speaker 5: for my point of is the single best example of

697
00:43:05,613 --> 00:43:07,573
Speaker 5: why I think I have been supporting me is that

698
00:43:08,413 --> 00:43:10,173
Speaker 5: video that I refert. Have you seen that video from

699
00:43:10,253 --> 00:43:15,453
Speaker 5: Baghdad in around two thousand and four where a helicopter gunship.

700
00:43:15,533 --> 00:43:19,733
Speaker 2: Kills some people? Yes, yes I did.

701
00:43:19,733 --> 00:43:21,613
Speaker 5: Because I gave the link to that that's still up

702
00:43:21,653 --> 00:43:24,773
Speaker 5: on the leg because I used to show that in

703
00:43:24,813 --> 00:43:29,973
Speaker 5: my lecture on human rights. In my classes, I would

704
00:43:29,973 --> 00:43:32,653
Speaker 5: show that slip and says, you know, this is why

705
00:43:32,693 --> 00:43:36,893
Speaker 5: the rest of the world reacts so cynically to the

706
00:43:36,973 --> 00:43:41,373
Speaker 5: rhetoric of Western countries. They have no credibility in saying

707
00:43:41,373 --> 00:43:44,813
Speaker 5: they're committed to human rights. You're talking to the US

708
00:43:44,853 --> 00:43:48,213
Speaker 5: military as I was living next to a serving US

709
00:43:48,253 --> 00:43:51,333
Speaker 5: Air Force kernel when I was in Tokyo, and after

710
00:43:51,373 --> 00:43:53,933
Speaker 5: the pictures of our grave and things like that came out,

711
00:43:54,173 --> 00:43:56,293
Speaker 5: he just came home and there and says, for the

712
00:43:56,293 --> 00:43:58,293
Speaker 5: first time in his life he feels the shame wearing

713
00:43:58,293 --> 00:44:03,613
Speaker 5: the uniform for the American military. So I think you

714
00:44:03,653 --> 00:44:06,013
Speaker 5: know the same argument we use about the police. If

715
00:44:06,093 --> 00:44:11,893
Speaker 5: you close ranks and you the one bad apple, you

716
00:44:12,013 --> 00:44:17,013
Speaker 5: condemn the whole barrel of apples. If you're going to

717
00:44:17,053 --> 00:44:20,813
Speaker 5: protect the honor and reputation of the military as you should,

718
00:44:21,493 --> 00:44:23,093
Speaker 5: then I think you have to call out the UK

719
00:44:23,413 --> 00:44:30,693
Speaker 5: bad person and punish them. Bring in mind that they

720
00:44:30,773 --> 00:44:33,173
Speaker 5: make difficult choices in the fog before, that's one thing.

721
00:44:34,693 --> 00:44:38,533
Speaker 5: But if they make deliberate choices to engage in activities

722
00:44:38,533 --> 00:44:41,373
Speaker 5: that under own laws are prohibited and a criminal may

723
00:44:41,413 --> 00:44:41,973
Speaker 5: be criminal.

724
00:44:43,093 --> 00:44:43,893
Speaker 2: It goes back to.

725
00:44:45,373 --> 00:44:48,253
Speaker 5: How do you accept gain of function research being funded

726
00:44:48,493 --> 00:44:51,293
Speaker 5: and then overseas jurisdiction because it's banned in your own country.

727
00:44:52,773 --> 00:44:53,973
Speaker 5: I think it's just as bad.

728
00:44:54,253 --> 00:44:59,773
Speaker 2: So should doctor Faci be in in he should be

729
00:44:59,773 --> 00:45:03,133
Speaker 2: in the dock. I was thinking beyond the dock. He

730
00:45:03,733 --> 00:45:06,733
Speaker 2: he No, he isn't titled to the dew process. Oh sure,

731
00:45:07,133 --> 00:45:12,533
Speaker 2: I'm but sure, But I didn't mean I didn't. Yeah,

732
00:45:12,693 --> 00:45:15,973
Speaker 2: that would escape procedure. But I want procedure to take Well,

733
00:45:16,013 --> 00:45:16,493
Speaker 2: that's what I mean.

734
00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:18,453
Speaker 5: He should be in the dog. He should be charged,

735
00:45:18,453 --> 00:45:20,653
Speaker 5: and he should be made to answer for that. And

736
00:45:20,693 --> 00:45:21,813
Speaker 5: he's and he's all alone.

737
00:45:21,973 --> 00:45:25,013
Speaker 2: Either. Look, if I may, If I may, there's a

738
00:45:25,293 --> 00:45:27,453
Speaker 2: couple of other a couple of other areas that I

739
00:45:27,493 --> 00:45:28,493
Speaker 2: would like to touch with you.

740
00:45:28,653 --> 00:45:31,653
Speaker 5: Last last let me just let me just turn the

741
00:45:31,693 --> 00:45:36,373
Speaker 5: back on you. So if if, if Fauci is approving that,

742
00:45:36,733 --> 00:45:40,813
Speaker 5: but the money comes from Defense Department because they're engaged

743
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:45,853
Speaker 5: in the effort to develop defensive defenses against use of

744
00:45:45,853 --> 00:45:49,653
Speaker 5: biological weapons, do we say someone who releases that then

745
00:45:49,773 --> 00:45:51,053
Speaker 5: is a criminal and should be charged.

746
00:45:51,813 --> 00:45:54,613
Speaker 2: I mean it's the same arguments. Some stage.

747
00:45:54,853 --> 00:45:57,773
Speaker 5: If activities are being done that are illegal, and they're

748
00:45:57,813 --> 00:46:01,693
Speaker 5: burning done by our side, then we do need mechanisms

749
00:46:01,933 --> 00:46:03,413
Speaker 5: to find out about that. And I don't think we

750
00:46:03,453 --> 00:46:07,493
Speaker 5: should persecute in this case, people release that information.

751
00:46:07,853 --> 00:46:13,773
Speaker 2: Well, i'd agree with that. Whistleblowers generally serve, serve well,

752
00:46:14,133 --> 00:46:16,213
Speaker 2: doing public service generally.

753
00:46:16,293 --> 00:46:18,893
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I do I do maintain that other thing.

754
00:46:19,493 --> 00:46:22,453
Speaker 5: If in fact some of that information did cause identifiable

755
00:46:22,453 --> 00:46:24,413
Speaker 5: harm to individuals, then go after him.

756
00:46:24,453 --> 00:46:28,413
Speaker 2: That's fine, I have no problem that good. The events

757
00:46:28,453 --> 00:46:30,693
Speaker 2: that took place place last Friday, in the middle of

758
00:46:30,693 --> 00:46:37,373
Speaker 2: all the other stuff with this global outage, the crowd

759
00:46:37,453 --> 00:46:41,693
Speaker 2: strike global outage, Yeah, I think the anti virus software

760
00:46:41,693 --> 00:46:47,453
Speaker 2: company say that again, the anti virus software company, Ah,

761
00:46:47,693 --> 00:46:52,853
Speaker 2: it shows the dangers of centralized reliance on technology. Well,

762
00:46:52,853 --> 00:46:54,733
Speaker 2: that's exactly my point. It was the first thing that

763
00:46:54,773 --> 00:46:59,133
Speaker 2: I said to to this producer, to my wife that

764
00:46:59,453 --> 00:47:02,133
Speaker 2: there's an there's there's a prime example. It's the best

765
00:47:02,173 --> 00:47:04,373
Speaker 2: one I've seen for a long time, prime example of

766
00:47:04,413 --> 00:47:09,973
Speaker 2: why cash should be maintained forever. H well, certainly for

767
00:47:10,013 --> 00:47:13,653
Speaker 2: the foreseeable future. And the replacement of cash, the withdrawal

768
00:47:13,733 --> 00:47:16,253
Speaker 2: of cash. And my understanding tell me if I'm wrong,

769
00:47:16,293 --> 00:47:18,373
Speaker 2: because if somebody only told me this a couple of

770
00:47:18,413 --> 00:47:22,333
Speaker 2: days ago from from Sydney, is that they've announced the

771
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:24,773
Speaker 2: government's announced that cash will be gone in two years

772
00:47:26,053 --> 00:47:29,573
Speaker 2: in Australia, I haven't seen that. Yeah, well I've got

773
00:47:29,773 --> 00:47:33,133
Speaker 2: I've got I've got a feeling this particular person's got

774
00:47:33,173 --> 00:47:36,813
Speaker 2: it mixed up just slightly, but they're certainly heading everywhere.

775
00:47:36,853 --> 00:47:38,413
Speaker 2: Not necessarily if you're heading that fare.

776
00:47:38,653 --> 00:47:42,693
Speaker 5: And I'm in the past couple of years, I've constantly

777
00:47:42,773 --> 00:47:46,653
Speaker 5: begun to use cash more and more. Well, I think

778
00:47:46,733 --> 00:47:50,413
Speaker 5: you're just putting ourselves at risk of complete social credit

779
00:47:50,493 --> 00:47:52,253
Speaker 5: system and government control.

780
00:47:53,493 --> 00:47:56,813
Speaker 2: That's the collusion with a big tech that's that's the

781
00:47:56,973 --> 00:47:58,973
Speaker 2: that's the name of the game exactly.

782
00:47:59,733 --> 00:48:03,973
Speaker 5: So so I am actually using cash a lot more now, right,

783
00:48:04,053 --> 00:48:07,253
Speaker 5: drawing cash and using it so obviously for a lot

784
00:48:07,253 --> 00:48:10,173
Speaker 5: of things you can't but central bank and on that Frida,

785
00:48:10,253 --> 00:48:12,173
Speaker 5: by the way, that's when I came back.

786
00:48:12,213 --> 00:48:16,773
Speaker 2: I was lucky to escape that. I have traveled, I

787
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:18,573
Speaker 2: have I have a friend who will be listening to

788
00:48:18,613 --> 00:48:22,493
Speaker 2: this at some stage who was caught caught in Los

789
00:48:22,533 --> 00:48:28,533
Speaker 2: Angeles with his son, young son, and I'm yet to

790
00:48:28,533 --> 00:48:31,213
Speaker 2: get the picture, but I believe he's got a good

791
00:48:31,253 --> 00:48:37,093
Speaker 2: story to tell. So the danger of centralized digital wealth,

792
00:48:37,533 --> 00:48:42,813
Speaker 2: central bank digital currencies is there, is there the possibility

793
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:47,213
Speaker 2: in your mind that they could exist in conjunction with

794
00:48:47,573 --> 00:48:50,933
Speaker 2: the current system, or do you think that the introduction

795
00:48:51,053 --> 00:48:57,973
Speaker 2: of cbdc's will just provide leverage for for removing cash.

796
00:48:58,133 --> 00:49:04,773
Speaker 5: We've seen two things. One is governments of different political

797
00:49:04,813 --> 00:49:10,813
Speaker 5: persuasions have discovered that the share of common interest in

798
00:49:10,933 --> 00:49:15,013
Speaker 5: gaining hold over technology that allows them to exit more

799
00:49:15,053 --> 00:49:17,013
Speaker 5: and more control over their own citizens.

800
00:49:17,653 --> 00:49:18,493
Speaker 2: And so.

801
00:49:20,213 --> 00:49:24,333
Speaker 5: Justin Todau in Canada had no compunction in the banking

802
00:49:24,693 --> 00:49:30,333
Speaker 5: and the financializing people associated with the Freedom Convoy of truckers,

803
00:49:30,533 --> 00:49:32,733
Speaker 5: and that included people who were giving ten dollars twenty

804
00:49:32,773 --> 00:49:34,613
Speaker 5: dollars more donations as well and.

805
00:49:34,613 --> 00:49:35,853
Speaker 2: Freezing their assets.

806
00:49:37,133 --> 00:49:40,333
Speaker 5: Now mister Mody looks at that and he says, what

807
00:49:40,413 --> 00:49:44,333
Speaker 5: a good idea. And weeks before the Indian election, the

808
00:49:44,333 --> 00:49:49,453
Speaker 5: opposition Congress party has its assets frozen under some alleged

809
00:49:49,533 --> 00:49:54,973
Speaker 5: violation of some laws or the He sees the weaponization

810
00:49:55,093 --> 00:49:57,613
Speaker 5: of the justice system and jailing of opponents in the

811
00:49:57,733 --> 00:49:59,453
Speaker 5: United States and he says, well, if the world's most

812
00:49:59,453 --> 00:50:02,493
Speaker 5: powerful democracy can do that, so it can be. And

813
00:50:02,533 --> 00:50:05,373
Speaker 5: I think there were three incumbent chief ministers at state

814
00:50:05,453 --> 00:50:07,973
Speaker 5: level who were put in jail. The head of the

815
00:50:08,013 --> 00:50:13,533
Speaker 5: General election and their ability to campaign was impeded. So

816
00:50:13,613 --> 00:50:18,933
Speaker 5: that's one side that governments have a shared interest in

817
00:50:19,053 --> 00:50:23,093
Speaker 5: expanding their power to control their citizens' activities and monitor

818
00:50:23,133 --> 00:50:27,773
Speaker 5: the citizens' citizens financial transactions, and they're moving in that direction.

819
00:50:28,333 --> 00:50:33,733
Speaker 5: So there's that site. The second thing is the elements

820
00:50:33,733 --> 00:50:36,853
Speaker 5: of the private sector discovering they have a shared interest

821
00:50:36,853 --> 00:50:42,013
Speaker 5: with governments and being able to monitor and surveil what

822
00:50:42,093 --> 00:50:43,253
Speaker 5: we are doing in terms.

823
00:50:43,093 --> 00:50:46,333
Speaker 2: Of what by very by, and being able.

824
00:50:46,093 --> 00:50:53,093
Speaker 5: To nudge our preferences towards particular products or to towards

825
00:50:53,573 --> 00:51:00,493
Speaker 5: particular ideologies and political parties. So that double centralization is

826
00:51:00,533 --> 00:51:04,093
Speaker 5: all at the expense of our liberties and freedom of

827
00:51:04,133 --> 00:51:09,693
Speaker 5: action and freedom from being monitored and put on the surveillance,

828
00:51:10,133 --> 00:51:14,613
Speaker 5: whether it's for our commercial activities purchasing history, or whether

829
00:51:14,653 --> 00:51:19,253
Speaker 5: it's for our political leanings and tendencies. So yes, it

830
00:51:19,293 --> 00:51:22,093
Speaker 5: goes back into that broader theme that varies me more

831
00:51:22,133 --> 00:51:26,693
Speaker 5: and more that we are moving into a world of

832
00:51:28,453 --> 00:51:34,173
Speaker 5: big Brother, in which big Brother is a combined national

833
00:51:34,373 --> 00:51:38,093
Speaker 5: and global behemoth. And you see that with the legacy

834
00:51:38,133 --> 00:51:41,133
Speaker 5: media in terms of news God and this and that

835
00:51:41,213 --> 00:51:44,613
Speaker 5: and then garm whatever the thing calls for, Where where

836
00:51:44,653 --> 00:51:49,573
Speaker 5: they're trying to remove from the plug is public sphere,

837
00:51:50,533 --> 00:51:55,933
Speaker 5: essentially people whose values or opinions they disagree with m

838
00:51:56,973 --> 00:51:59,013
Speaker 5: and that's happening more and more so it does worry me.

839
00:51:59,733 --> 00:52:01,413
Speaker 2: Well it is happening in Australia.

840
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:07,573
Speaker 5: Yes, we have the Safety Commissioner who's goes after the

841
00:52:08,333 --> 00:52:11,733
Speaker 5: opinions of people. And do you remember this. She's an

842
00:52:11,733 --> 00:52:13,533
Speaker 5: American important and she took on a fight with your

843
00:52:13,573 --> 00:52:17,213
Speaker 5: own mosque on some things, so there you know.

844
00:52:17,253 --> 00:52:17,853
Speaker 4: This was this.

845
00:52:19,013 --> 00:52:22,253
Speaker 5: She asked for a couple of things. One was the

846
00:52:22,253 --> 00:52:28,133
Speaker 5: famous one where she wanted footage of the stabbing of

847
00:52:28,173 --> 00:52:34,133
Speaker 5: the archbishop. Yes, taken off not just in Australia but globally.

848
00:52:35,333 --> 00:52:38,493
Speaker 5: So the e Safety Commissioner, one individual with her staff,

849
00:52:39,373 --> 00:52:44,293
Speaker 5: asserted the right to decide what other people from in

850
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:48,413
Speaker 5: other countries can and cannot watch. And it wasn't the

851
00:52:48,413 --> 00:52:50,853
Speaker 5: case of misinformation because this was an actual event that

852
00:52:50,893 --> 00:52:54,933
Speaker 5: had happened and she was saying, well, this may not

853
00:52:54,973 --> 00:52:57,413
Speaker 5: be wasted. At the same time, other things that were

854
00:52:57,773 --> 00:53:00,853
Speaker 5: worse from a physical violence point of view was still available.

855
00:53:00,853 --> 00:53:01,333
Speaker 2: So there's that.

856
00:53:01,773 --> 00:53:04,693
Speaker 5: But there's something else in respect of gender ideology that

857
00:53:04,733 --> 00:53:07,813
Speaker 5: she was trying the same thing in Australia. But this

858
00:53:08,053 --> 00:53:12,413
Speaker 5: is a phenomenon that that bureaucrats and technocrats decide what

859
00:53:12,493 --> 00:53:14,653
Speaker 5: we should think, what we should say, what we should

860
00:53:14,653 --> 00:53:17,613
Speaker 5: believe in, what we should buy, who should produce what

861
00:53:18,493 --> 00:53:22,733
Speaker 5: under what ours. So it's that assertion of government control

862
00:53:22,773 --> 00:53:26,653
Speaker 5: over all aspects of our daily activities that we witnessed

863
00:53:26,693 --> 00:53:31,213
Speaker 5: under COVID now being now the effort is being yet

864
00:53:31,253 --> 00:53:35,333
Speaker 5: to institutionalize and embed that as a permanent feature, which

865
00:53:35,373 --> 00:53:37,653
Speaker 5: is exactly what we were saying at the time that if

866
00:53:37,653 --> 00:53:41,813
Speaker 5: you comply. Now, don't be surprised you start to expand

867
00:53:41,853 --> 00:53:43,373
Speaker 5: and repeat this in other sectors.

868
00:53:43,453 --> 00:53:46,893
Speaker 2: Yes, and there's still still much to be said about

869
00:53:47,453 --> 00:53:50,853
Speaker 2: about the COVID era. Yeah, but it's the same.

870
00:53:50,893 --> 00:53:53,693
Speaker 5: You know, why why should the government decide that we

871
00:53:53,773 --> 00:53:55,333
Speaker 5: have to switch to electric vehicles.

872
00:53:56,653 --> 00:54:00,573
Speaker 2: I'll just save the planet. Yeah sure, but surely you

873
00:54:00,693 --> 00:54:01,093
Speaker 2: know that.

874
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:06,133
Speaker 5: But you know, when when different forms of transport come

875
00:54:06,173 --> 00:54:09,293
Speaker 5: along and they have obvious benefits and cons and advantages,

876
00:54:09,373 --> 00:54:12,893
Speaker 5: people switch. Well, I think it's starting for government's picking

877
00:54:12,893 --> 00:54:15,373
Speaker 5: winners with regard to you know, you you have to

878
00:54:15,453 --> 00:54:19,813
Speaker 5: use renewables, you have to do electric vehicles, and again

879
00:54:19,853 --> 00:54:23,813
Speaker 5: the calculations that they don't They don't add up when

880
00:54:23,853 --> 00:54:26,413
Speaker 5: you actually go through it as well. So governments are

881
00:54:26,453 --> 00:54:29,613
Speaker 5: no better at picking winners today. In fact, they might

882
00:54:29,653 --> 00:54:31,373
Speaker 5: be worse than they have historically been.

883
00:54:31,573 --> 00:54:34,853
Speaker 2: Well you've got you've got media companies still refusing to

884
00:54:36,013 --> 00:54:41,093
Speaker 2: entertain any alternative viewpoint when it comes to matters climate

885
00:54:41,133 --> 00:54:44,773
Speaker 2: and serving the planet, et cetera. And we've got them.

886
00:54:44,813 --> 00:54:48,733
Speaker 2: We've got them here, and they are disgrace because of it.

887
00:54:49,733 --> 00:54:53,053
Speaker 2: But I'm hoping that sooner or later something will happen.

888
00:54:55,413 --> 00:54:57,613
Speaker 2: There's one other thing I wanted to mention with regard

889
00:54:57,693 --> 00:55:01,933
Speaker 2: with regard to privacy, and that it is directly linked

890
00:55:01,933 --> 00:55:08,413
Speaker 2: to CBDCs et cetera. Privacy. We have people in positions

891
00:55:08,453 --> 00:55:14,213
Speaker 2: of influence, including one retired Prime minister in this country,

892
00:55:15,853 --> 00:55:20,893
Speaker 2: who have said, anytime that something comes up about privacy

893
00:55:20,933 --> 00:55:24,613
Speaker 2: and people not knowing what you're doing, etc. Has said, well,

894
00:55:24,613 --> 00:55:26,373
Speaker 2: have you got nothing to hide? You've got nothing to fear.

895
00:55:26,413 --> 00:55:26,533
Speaker 1: Now.

896
00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:29,013
Speaker 2: I know how old that that's saying is, and I

897
00:55:29,053 --> 00:55:32,773
Speaker 2: have the excital contempt for it. But the question is

898
00:55:33,093 --> 00:55:36,413
Speaker 2: why are they I've had nobody can explain this to

899
00:55:36,453 --> 00:55:41,093
Speaker 2: me yet, Why are there intelligent people that simply can't

900
00:55:41,133 --> 00:55:41,693
Speaker 2: see the light.

901
00:55:42,893 --> 00:55:49,693
Speaker 5: Well, that's a deep philosophical question. I think the short answer.

902
00:55:50,853 --> 00:55:55,573
Speaker 5: My short answer would be that the share of the population,

903
00:55:55,733 --> 00:55:57,973
Speaker 5: so you're not talking to absolute numbers, but the proportion

904
00:55:58,133 --> 00:56:05,413
Speaker 5: of the population that habitually engages in independent critical thinking

905
00:56:06,253 --> 00:56:11,813
Speaker 5: has declined quite dramatically and reflects the switch from education

906
00:56:12,053 --> 00:56:16,853
Speaker 5: to indoctrination from early childhood all the way through school

907
00:56:16,853 --> 00:56:22,733
Speaker 5: and university and spread into all sectors of society. Who

908
00:56:22,733 --> 00:56:28,093
Speaker 5: would have thought thirty forty years ago the big corporates

909
00:56:28,293 --> 00:56:32,253
Speaker 5: would think they have any business telling us what we

910
00:56:32,293 --> 00:56:36,453
Speaker 5: should think, or what values we should adopt, or what

911
00:56:36,693 --> 00:56:41,933
Speaker 5: positions on controversial social and or contested not controversial, necessarily

912
00:56:41,933 --> 00:56:48,093
Speaker 5: contested social, political, economic, and even scientific issues, that they

913
00:56:48,093 --> 00:56:51,933
Speaker 5: have some comparative advantage in knowing what the quote unquote

914
00:56:51,933 --> 00:56:54,693
Speaker 5: truth is, the truth is, and telling us their views

915
00:56:54,813 --> 00:56:57,613
Speaker 5: and we should do what they tell us.

916
00:56:58,133 --> 00:57:00,173
Speaker 2: And again on.

917
00:57:00,173 --> 00:57:02,533
Speaker 5: That there're certainly in Australia there has been a pushback

918
00:57:02,533 --> 00:57:06,293
Speaker 5: and a recognition about the media boardrooms that maybe they

919
00:57:06,333 --> 00:57:11,453
Speaker 5: should pull back from this because they've discovered that a

920
00:57:11,613 --> 00:57:18,253
Speaker 5: majority of even their employees, shareholders, and certainly their consumers

921
00:57:20,013 --> 00:57:24,373
Speaker 5: do not align with their views, and it actually affects

922
00:57:24,373 --> 00:57:27,933
Speaker 5: the bottom line. And when I go into a supermarket,

923
00:57:28,013 --> 00:57:33,533
Speaker 5: I want fresh produce and quality products at most affordable prices.

924
00:57:33,573 --> 00:57:37,613
Speaker 5: I have absolutely no interest in learning about what the

925
00:57:37,693 --> 00:57:40,853
Speaker 5: view of their CEO might be in relation to any

926
00:57:40,853 --> 00:57:45,893
Speaker 5: social or political issue. Same with celebrities. And yet they

927
00:57:45,933 --> 00:57:51,373
Speaker 5: think that the echo chamber of the elites in the

928
00:57:51,373 --> 00:57:57,653
Speaker 5: different sectors of life has an position of virtuous enlightenment

929
00:57:57,733 --> 00:58:00,053
Speaker 5: that everyone else should be made to follow.

930
00:58:00,613 --> 00:58:03,133
Speaker 2: Well, you know you want to do that, Go ahead

931
00:58:03,173 --> 00:58:06,213
Speaker 2: and do it. So the World Economic Forum is at

932
00:58:06,253 --> 00:58:08,533
Speaker 2: what point of its existence and influence? Now? Uh?

933
00:58:09,813 --> 00:58:16,973
Speaker 5: Hopefully terminal? I might become a believer in God.

934
00:58:17,053 --> 00:58:19,893
Speaker 2: Yet ah, I read, I read what you had to

935
00:58:19,933 --> 00:58:23,613
Speaker 2: say about religion. I was I was intrigued. But that

936
00:58:23,693 --> 00:58:24,213
Speaker 2: could be true.

937
00:58:24,253 --> 00:58:27,693
Speaker 5: Well, I respect other people's religion, but yes you do, Yeah,

938
00:58:28,453 --> 00:58:32,973
Speaker 5: and that's of all fits. But I have problems myself

939
00:58:33,013 --> 00:58:35,893
Speaker 5: and that left religion a long time ago and no

940
00:58:36,373 --> 00:58:37,413
Speaker 5: desire to go back.

941
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:43,053
Speaker 2: Well, it's a free world, yeah, free will, fee will,

942
00:58:43,733 --> 00:58:46,653
Speaker 2: So I think we can continue with the free society.

943
00:58:47,693 --> 00:58:50,213
Speaker 2: Just one one other thing that I would like to include.

944
00:58:50,773 --> 00:58:55,053
Speaker 2: Why I leave it out? It's your white guilt, not

945
00:58:55,293 --> 00:58:59,533
Speaker 2: my white privilege. It's a headline from another of yours.

946
00:58:59,573 --> 00:59:01,933
Speaker 5: That's a problem. That's the that's a problem, that's right. Yeah,

947
00:59:01,973 --> 00:59:04,573
Speaker 5: the problem is your white guilt, not my white privilege.

948
00:59:04,773 --> 00:59:08,133
Speaker 2: But white guilt and colonization two things that go hand

949
00:59:08,133 --> 00:59:10,493
Speaker 2: and end at the moment and seem to be motoring

950
00:59:10,493 --> 00:59:14,213
Speaker 2: along fairly powerfully, are they both in Australia and New

951
00:59:14,333 --> 00:59:21,493
Speaker 2: Zealand and the USA and Canada. So what's the answer? Well,

952
00:59:21,533 --> 00:59:23,013
Speaker 2: it's puzzled me obviously.

953
00:59:23,173 --> 00:59:29,933
Speaker 5: I mean, look, which major country, or which even middland

954
00:59:29,933 --> 00:59:34,613
Speaker 5: country can you point out to me today whose borders

955
00:59:34,653 --> 00:59:36,493
Speaker 5: do not reflect the use of force?

956
00:59:37,893 --> 00:59:39,773
Speaker 2: Perhaps repeatedly in his history.

957
00:59:41,213 --> 00:59:44,813
Speaker 5: It's been a part of history, and it's been a

958
00:59:44,853 --> 00:59:47,093
Speaker 5: part of the natural world as well, and I suspect

959
00:59:47,093 --> 00:59:49,373
Speaker 5: it will stay the case for a long time yet.

960
00:59:50,293 --> 00:59:53,013
Speaker 5: So if you're going to go back to the equivalent

961
00:59:53,053 --> 00:59:57,573
Speaker 5: of trying to trace the original sin, we're going to

962
00:59:57,973 --> 01:00:01,693
Speaker 5: lead to the most massive upheaval we've ever known, and

963
01:00:01,813 --> 01:00:06,213
Speaker 5: volatility and fighting all over again. So how do we

964
01:00:06,293 --> 01:00:11,733
Speaker 5: reconcile existing borders with present day values? Well, we don't

965
01:00:11,733 --> 01:00:16,973
Speaker 5: do that by reversing history. One second. I think the

966
01:00:17,013 --> 01:00:23,973
Speaker 5: net contribution of Western civilizations to global human welfare on

967
01:00:24,133 --> 01:00:31,653
Speaker 5: prosperity and education and longevity has been greater than that

968
01:00:32,373 --> 01:00:37,933
Speaker 5: of any other civilization and culture. And that's not such

969
01:00:37,933 --> 01:00:42,333
Speaker 5: a hard thing to document. In terms of the aspirations

970
01:00:42,373 --> 01:00:44,813
Speaker 5: that pretty much people's all over the world now have

971
01:00:45,773 --> 01:00:49,853
Speaker 5: two emulating the lifestyles and the benefits, the material benefits

972
01:00:50,413 --> 01:00:55,853
Speaker 5: and the intellectual benefits of that. And even with respect

973
01:00:55,933 --> 01:01:00,213
Speaker 5: to slavery, for example, the slave trade, again I think

974
01:01:00,253 --> 01:01:05,013
Speaker 5: it's not that difficult to document that probably the biggest

975
01:01:05,053 --> 01:01:08,253
Speaker 5: contribution to ending the slave trade, and some of the

976
01:01:08,413 --> 01:01:11,813
Speaker 5: highest costs that were made that were paid in that effort,

977
01:01:12,573 --> 01:01:20,453
Speaker 5: that came from Britain, and the biggest guilty parties in

978
01:01:20,533 --> 01:01:24,453
Speaker 5: the origins and volume of the slave trade would include

979
01:01:24,693 --> 01:01:32,333
Speaker 5: the Arabs and the Africans. So why this focus on

980
01:01:32,973 --> 01:01:36,333
Speaker 5: the sense of guilt And if that sense of guilt

981
01:01:36,413 --> 01:01:38,213
Speaker 5: was real and I'm sure I've said this, if not

982
01:01:38,253 --> 01:01:40,613
Speaker 5: to you, then to some other interview in New Zealand,

983
01:01:42,013 --> 01:01:44,973
Speaker 5: if that centers of guilt was real, and if that

984
01:01:45,093 --> 01:01:51,133
Speaker 5: sense of moral censure was real and genuine, authentic, then

985
01:01:51,613 --> 01:01:56,733
Speaker 5: huge numbers of people from the non Western countries would

986
01:01:56,733 --> 01:02:00,813
Speaker 5: not still be fighting to get into the West, and

987
01:02:00,893 --> 01:02:05,573
Speaker 5: it seems to be a confected outrage at the historical

988
01:02:05,653 --> 01:02:07,933
Speaker 5: role that some Western countries have had to play.

989
01:02:07,973 --> 01:02:08,573
Speaker 2: Other other thing.

990
01:02:08,573 --> 01:02:11,733
Speaker 5: Anyone denies that, and all in favor of having an

991
01:02:11,733 --> 01:02:15,093
Speaker 5: honest accounting in our history books. But the honest accounting

992
01:02:15,133 --> 01:02:18,133
Speaker 5: goes both ways as well. I think there were benefits

993
01:02:18,213 --> 01:02:20,573
Speaker 5: that were brought to millions of people around the world

994
01:02:20,613 --> 01:02:24,173
Speaker 5: by Western civilization, and there were costs steps were brought

995
01:02:24,813 --> 01:02:29,613
Speaker 5: and in some cases resulting in genocide or neo genocide

996
01:02:29,613 --> 01:02:33,213
Speaker 5: of indigenous populations. But that is part of history, and

997
01:02:33,253 --> 01:02:35,653
Speaker 5: I think we should study history and learn from that,

998
01:02:36,573 --> 01:02:41,653
Speaker 5: but not engaged in an endless self vagulation which is

999
01:02:41,733 --> 01:02:45,653
Speaker 5: unmerited and self destructive. I think in one of the

1000
01:02:45,733 --> 01:02:49,773
Speaker 5: articles that they'd say it's like Western societies are bent

1001
01:02:50,773 --> 01:02:54,973
Speaker 5: on feeding their fuel into the fire that is consuming them,

1002
01:02:55,933 --> 01:03:00,253
Speaker 5: which I find very puzzling. So the net contribution of

1003
01:03:00,293 --> 01:03:02,933
Speaker 5: Western civilization I think has been positive rather than negative.

1004
01:03:03,613 --> 01:03:09,173
Speaker 5: Other countries have also had stayed pasts, and we acknowledge

1005
01:03:09,173 --> 01:03:11,933
Speaker 5: that we don't necessarily condone that. We certainly don't want

1006
01:03:11,933 --> 01:03:15,813
Speaker 5: to have that nece society today, but I think we

1007
01:03:15,813 --> 01:03:21,933
Speaker 5: should just insist on treating everyone who's lawfully in our

1008
01:03:21,973 --> 01:03:25,293
Speaker 5: country and is a citizen the same, without distinction on

1009
01:03:25,373 --> 01:03:29,613
Speaker 5: grounds of race or religion or whatever else inherited treat

1010
01:03:30,253 --> 01:03:34,253
Speaker 5: So I don't understand the white guilt part, and if

1011
01:03:34,253 --> 01:03:36,373
Speaker 5: it does exist, I don't see why I, who have

1012
01:03:36,533 --> 01:03:38,733
Speaker 5: not been part of that, should be made to suffer

1013
01:03:38,933 --> 01:03:41,333
Speaker 5: for that either. So it goes back to where we

1014
01:03:41,413 --> 01:03:46,653
Speaker 5: started off and the general attitude almost the overseas Indians

1015
01:03:46,693 --> 01:03:49,813
Speaker 5: as well, that what we want is to be left

1016
01:03:49,813 --> 01:03:53,733
Speaker 5: alone and given the same opportunities. Well maybe if we

1017
01:03:53,733 --> 01:03:57,813
Speaker 5: should an't that it's equality of opportunity, not equality of outcomes.

1018
01:03:57,853 --> 01:04:01,533
Speaker 5: So I still prefer the phrase equality of opportunity rather

1019
01:04:01,613 --> 01:04:04,933
Speaker 5: than equity because that tries to look at it in

1020
01:04:05,013 --> 01:04:09,053
Speaker 5: terms of outcomes. And you've seen that, you know the

1021
01:04:09,813 --> 01:04:12,853
Speaker 5: decision from the US Supreme Court late last year whenever

1022
01:04:12,893 --> 01:04:20,493
Speaker 5: it was on the Harvard admissions case. Japanese, none of

1023
01:04:20,493 --> 01:04:25,213
Speaker 5: the Asian Americans who would have taken the case too

1024
01:04:26,413 --> 01:04:27,533
Speaker 5: in the court system.

1025
01:04:27,253 --> 01:04:30,413
Speaker 2: But weren't there weren't there a lot of Japanese students

1026
01:04:30,453 --> 01:04:33,493
Speaker 2: who were involved in it. No, it was Chinese and

1027
01:04:33,573 --> 01:04:35,133
Speaker 2: Indians more than Japanese.

1028
01:04:36,253 --> 01:04:42,613
Speaker 5: It's but the Asian Americans were amongst the highest academic

1029
01:04:42,693 --> 01:04:46,733
Speaker 5: scores and the lowest rates of admission. I think you

1030
01:04:46,813 --> 01:04:50,693
Speaker 5: needed to be for an Asian American, it's you needed

1031
01:04:50,693 --> 01:04:54,293
Speaker 5: to be in the ninetieth persentile, and your chances were

1032
01:04:54,293 --> 01:04:59,493
Speaker 5: still lower than a Black in the fortieth personile, a

1033
01:04:59,613 --> 01:05:03,493
Speaker 5: Hispanic in the sixtieth personyle, and a white in the

1034
01:05:03,533 --> 01:05:07,453
Speaker 5: eightieth personile. So the four groups, the Asian Americans had

1035
01:05:07,453 --> 01:05:11,813
Speaker 5: to be the most complet and in medical schools in

1036
01:05:11,853 --> 01:05:15,413
Speaker 5: the different studies. Short this is from the American Enterprise Institute.

1037
01:05:15,413 --> 01:05:23,053
Speaker 5: I think for medical schools, you on the same score,

1038
01:05:23,493 --> 01:05:26,453
Speaker 5: a Black American had more than ten times a prospect

1039
01:05:26,533 --> 01:05:29,613
Speaker 5: of getting admitted to medical school compared to an Asian American.

1040
01:05:30,053 --> 01:05:33,173
Speaker 5: And again then it was the Hispanics the second most

1041
01:05:33,173 --> 01:05:35,933
Speaker 5: advantage and the words third, and the Asians were at

1042
01:05:35,933 --> 01:05:39,613
Speaker 5: the bottom. So that was what they had taken it.

1043
01:05:40,133 --> 01:05:44,133
Speaker 5: It's very easy to demonstrate statistically. And finally the Supreme

1044
01:05:44,133 --> 01:05:46,573
Speaker 5: Court said racial criteri you were illegal.

1045
01:05:47,573 --> 01:05:49,213
Speaker 2: So it goes back to the same thing.

1046
01:05:49,533 --> 01:05:52,973
Speaker 5: You believe in merit, you believe in the quality of opportunity,

1047
01:05:54,093 --> 01:05:57,013
Speaker 5: and you believe in rewarding hard work. Then you get

1048
01:05:57,013 --> 01:06:00,613
Speaker 5: a different student profile in universities and med schools and stuff.

1049
01:06:01,213 --> 01:06:04,493
Speaker 5: Then if you start talking about equity and diversity. And

1050
01:06:04,533 --> 01:06:07,453
Speaker 5: by the way, we've seen, going back to the pushback argument,

1051
01:06:08,453 --> 01:06:11,013
Speaker 5: a lot of companies are now starting to dismantle the

1052
01:06:11,093 --> 01:06:17,413
Speaker 5: deer elements of their bureaucracy, and so they should yep,

1053
01:06:17,573 --> 01:06:21,093
Speaker 5: And well you see that, you saw the results of that. Well,

1054
01:06:21,213 --> 01:06:24,133
Speaker 5: now there are allegations that that is partly to explain

1055
01:06:24,933 --> 01:06:28,933
Speaker 5: the security failures with regard to the assassination attempt on Trump.

1056
01:06:29,133 --> 01:06:30,853
Speaker 2: Yes, with the Secret Service.

1057
01:06:30,533 --> 01:06:36,813
Speaker 5: Being interested in these efforts more than in basic competence.

1058
01:06:37,893 --> 01:06:42,213
Speaker 5: And you'd think, well, it shouldn't affect universities, until suddenly

1059
01:06:42,253 --> 01:06:46,733
Speaker 5: it I mean the consequence of that agenda, until suddenly

1060
01:06:46,853 --> 01:06:50,973
Speaker 5: it did. When the three famous university presidents could not

1061
01:06:51,133 --> 01:06:56,813
Speaker 5: answer a basic question under congressional testimony as to where

1062
01:06:56,853 --> 01:07:02,893
Speaker 5: the calls to engage in ethnic expulsion of Jews or

1063
01:07:02,933 --> 01:07:07,973
Speaker 5: whatever genesida Jews was to be prohibited. You remember how

1064
01:07:08,013 --> 01:07:11,333
Speaker 5: they were completely unable to answer the simple moral question.

1065
01:07:11,493 --> 01:07:13,213
Speaker 2: God yes comes back.

1066
01:07:13,253 --> 01:07:16,973
Speaker 5: And all three happened to be women presidents, and the

1067
01:07:17,013 --> 01:07:20,813
Speaker 5: Harvard one was clearly a diversity higher clearly or what

1068
01:07:22,013 --> 01:07:27,013
Speaker 5: diversity higher I think for that phrase, that phrase has

1069
01:07:27,053 --> 01:07:30,813
Speaker 5: become a presorative term now and they're saying that the

1070
01:07:30,893 --> 01:07:33,253
Speaker 5: chief of the Secret Service is a diversity higher and

1071
01:07:33,253 --> 01:07:34,093
Speaker 5: you see the results.

1072
01:07:34,893 --> 01:07:36,213
Speaker 2: Well, it was, there was, there was.

1073
01:07:36,733 --> 01:07:40,373
Speaker 5: She may not survive tomorrow's hearing it in Congress on sorry,

1074
01:07:40,413 --> 01:07:40,693
Speaker 5: there was.

1075
01:07:40,693 --> 01:07:44,813
Speaker 2: There was a similar similar lineup and they were all males,

1076
01:07:45,773 --> 01:07:49,213
Speaker 2: roughly around the same time. Asked us being asked in

1077
01:07:49,213 --> 01:07:55,453
Speaker 2: in the in the House inquiry how much? How much

1078
01:07:55,533 --> 01:07:59,373
Speaker 2: CO two was there in the atmosphere? Few of them,

1079
01:07:59,853 --> 01:08:05,653
Speaker 2: none of them knew, not one had no idea and

1080
01:08:07,533 --> 01:08:11,813
Speaker 2: it was hell. We started this long but excellent conversation

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Speaker 2: with a quick mention of your book our enemy the government.

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Speaker 2: Let's conclude on it.

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Speaker 5: Why the title, Well, if you have a commitment to

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Speaker 5: human rights, you face attention. The worst breaches of human

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01:08:33,213 --> 01:08:37,853
Speaker 5: rights and violations of human rights occur in conditions of anarchy,

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01:08:39,293 --> 01:08:43,013
Speaker 5: and you need the machinery of government and the legislative,

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Speaker 5: executive and judicial frameworks to enforce.

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Speaker 2: Human rights.

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Speaker 5: Laws and values, to legislate and enforce them. At the

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Speaker 5: same time, if you do have stable, effective function government,

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Speaker 5: then potentially the biggest threat to your human rights comes

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Speaker 5: from governments, and these are the powerful entrance toutality in

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Speaker 5: states with their government machinery, in countries like Nazi Germany,

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Speaker 5: like communss China, like Communist Soviet Union. As it was,

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Speaker 5: so that tension is an ongoing reality and we need

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Speaker 5: to navigate that. And parts many parts of what we've

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Speaker 5: been talking about for the past hour or whatever it

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Speaker 5: has been, has been in relation to the growing threats

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Speaker 5: to our freedom and civil leuties that comes from over

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Speaker 5: centralization and over expansion of the state into spheres of

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Speaker 5: social and personal activity that hitherto were separate and considered

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Speaker 5: sacrosanct and none of the state's business, like telling us

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Speaker 5: which type of car we should buy, or which type

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Speaker 5: of car manufacturers should make and produce, and punishing dealers

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Speaker 5: if they don't sell x percentage of a particular type

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Speaker 5: of vehicle. Governments should stay out of these sources of actctivities.

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Speaker 5: In that sense, our common enemy, just as governments have

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Speaker 5: a common interest in expanding the power at the expense

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Speaker 5: of citizens, see the people's share a common interest in

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Speaker 5: limiting the powers of governments.

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Speaker 2: Hence our enemy the government. And it's a very good book,

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Speaker 2: and I recommend it. One other thing that I want

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Speaker 2: to recommend, Ramesh, is the transcript of the interview that

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Speaker 2: you did with Epic TV or Epoch TV, whichever with

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01:10:43,533 --> 01:10:48,653
Speaker 2: someone from American Thought Leaders, and it runs eighteen pages

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01:10:49,573 --> 01:10:55,013
Speaker 2: and it's full of great information, great commentary, and I

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Speaker 2: was actually sort of a bit envious when I read

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Speaker 2: it that I hadn't done it, But nevertheless it's superb. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know how to pronounce his name, but it's

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Speaker 2: it's You'll find it under the Romesha's name on the

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Speaker 2: on the Brownstone site. You just have to. You just

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Speaker 2: have to dig it at do a search the new

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Speaker 2: biosecurity state, and you'll get even more from that than

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Speaker 2: on top of what we've discussed in the last in

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Speaker 2: the last eighteen minutes, so you see time flies when

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Speaker 2: you're enjoying yourself.

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Speaker 5: I want to thank you. Add one thing so that

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Speaker 5: don't leave a wrong impression. Going back to the secret servicing,

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Speaker 5: when the assassination on Trump, sure, I think I would

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Speaker 5: like to acknowledge that the courage of the individual members

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01:11:47,653 --> 01:11:50,733
Speaker 5: of the immediate protective Unit, including the women, was no

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Speaker 5: less than that of the men when they all threw

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Speaker 5: themselves and formed a protective shield around Trump. So that

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Speaker 5: wasn't a comment on you know, I wasn't trying to

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Speaker 5: demonize or not technowledge contributions to individual members. But the

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Speaker 5: factory means that the women members were not the size

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Speaker 5: and height of the male members and therefore they could

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Speaker 5: not completely form that human shield when he will come

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Speaker 5: and he stood up again.

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Speaker 2: That's the point, and that's the point that has been made.

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Speaker 2: And I have been in the same position that you

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01:12:22,573 --> 01:12:25,933
Speaker 2: have and had to had to say that it wasn't.

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Speaker 2: It wasn't the fact that they were women, and you

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01:12:29,613 --> 01:12:32,013
Speaker 2: may you've maybe do something that I reached across and

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01:12:32,013 --> 01:12:34,613
Speaker 2: picked up a book and I bought this book for

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01:12:34,733 --> 01:12:39,733
Speaker 2: my one of one of the girls, and it's by

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01:12:41,173 --> 01:12:51,413
Speaker 2: an ex Secret Service agent whose name is Ivy Pomperess. Okay,

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01:12:51,533 --> 01:12:56,973
Speaker 2: and there's two things I would observe. When Carolyn saw

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01:12:57,013 --> 01:13:03,973
Speaker 2: the picture of her, she said, Wow, she's beautiful. I

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01:13:03,973 --> 01:13:07,293
Speaker 2: couldn't say anything. But if I'd said that, you know, what,

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01:13:07,293 --> 01:13:09,773
Speaker 2: what do you think it'd be out of for she's

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01:13:09,773 --> 01:13:13,493
Speaker 2: a woman. The point being The book is called Becoming

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01:13:13,613 --> 01:13:19,813
Speaker 2: Bulletproof Life Lessons from a Secret Service Agent former former

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Speaker 2: Protective Detail for three presidents and recipient of the of

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Speaker 2: the Medal of Valor Award. And I can't swear to this,

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01:13:29,973 --> 01:13:36,053
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure she's five foot two mm five

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Speaker 2: foot two, which was probably shorter than those those women

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Speaker 2: the other the other the other day. But she was

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Speaker 2: patently very successful as a secret service agent. M And

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Speaker 2: on that note, I want to thank you, very very

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01:13:53,413 --> 01:13:58,053
Speaker 2: very sincerely for a marathon effort. I'll leave you alone

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01:13:58,093 --> 01:14:02,813
Speaker 2: for a little while, but your opinions are valuable, worthwhile

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01:14:03,293 --> 01:14:07,253
Speaker 2: and to be heard by as many as possible. Thanks

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01:14:07,373 --> 01:14:26,053
Speaker 2: lessen into the mail room for two hundred and forty nine,

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Speaker 2: MISSUS producer.

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Speaker 6: Welcome lighton.

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Speaker 2: How are you very well?

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Speaker 6: Great?

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01:14:30,253 --> 01:14:32,973
Speaker 2: It would be rude of me not to ask how

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Speaker 2: are you?

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Speaker 6: I'm always good. Thank you so much.

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01:14:35,773 --> 01:14:38,973
Speaker 2: I knew then I could have written the script anyway.

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01:14:39,693 --> 01:14:43,693
Speaker 2: Let me begin from Dawn, reinforced by your earlier interview

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01:14:43,813 --> 01:14:47,773
Speaker 2: of an authority on US international affairs. The name alludes

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01:14:47,813 --> 01:14:51,813
Speaker 2: me to the effect that the Moscow Beijing Iran clique

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01:14:52,413 --> 01:14:56,413
Speaker 2: is at pains to sustain the Biden Democrat regime. I

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Speaker 2: warmed to the above. Peace Harris given to hysterical outbursts

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01:15:01,893 --> 01:15:06,413
Speaker 2: of laughter is an airhead. She watched her Biden brief

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Speaker 2: to deal with the exponential invasion of refugees across the

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Speaker 2: Texas border, so damaging to USA society and infrastructure. To

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Speaker 2: my mind, her present popular surge reflects mere public relief

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01:15:21,133 --> 01:15:25,893
Speaker 2: from a medically senile, long incompetent Biden, whose leadership is

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01:15:26,093 --> 01:15:32,333
Speaker 2: redolent of the adurn brand of progressive change early days.

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Speaker 2: Yet a couple of things to comment on that, just

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Speaker 2: briefly given to hysterical outbursts of laughter is an airhead. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I think I could do better than that, to be honest,

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01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:49,493
Speaker 2: watched her Biden brief to deal with the exponential invasion

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Speaker 2: of refugees across the Texas border. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I can agree with that statement. And you'll understand why

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Speaker 2: she was installed, so to speak, as the czar of

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Speaker 2: the border or whatever. But that meant nothing because this

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Speaker 2: has all been intentional. It was all. It was all

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01:16:07,213 --> 01:16:12,053
Speaker 2: just window dressing, because that was the intent as many

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Speaker 2: as possible. And by the way, there are now appearing

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Speaker 2: signs evidence in fact of the fact that they're signing

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Speaker 2: them up to vote in this election.

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Speaker 7: Leighton Colin says the podcast with Ramashakur was very interesting,

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Speaker 7: especially on Donald Trump.

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Speaker 6: One piece.

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Speaker 7: He said it is important for Trump to pick a

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Speaker 7: person for the vice presidency that would be in tune

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01:16:37,773 --> 01:16:42,453
Speaker 7: with his ideas and understand him. That night, after I

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01:16:42,493 --> 01:16:45,333
Speaker 7: played the podcast, I tuned into an interview by Jesse

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01:16:45,413 --> 01:16:48,373
Speaker 7: Walters on Sky when he had Donald Trump and JD.

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01:16:48,533 --> 01:16:51,973
Speaker 7: Vance on so keeping in mind what Tha Kerr had said,

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01:16:52,293 --> 01:16:55,293
Speaker 7: I was really pleased with what I saw. The two

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01:16:55,373 --> 01:16:58,413
Speaker 7: guests were adding to each other's statements and bringing each

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01:16:58,413 --> 01:17:02,173
Speaker 7: other into the mix, even sometimes finishing each other's sentences.

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01:17:02,813 --> 01:17:05,813
Speaker 7: It was an interview that showed a chemistry between the

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Speaker 7: two men. The Republican Party needs to push this hard,

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01:17:09,733 --> 01:17:12,693
Speaker 7: as quite often the USA has had a presidency ticket

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01:17:12,773 --> 01:17:16,253
Speaker 7: that hasn't jelled at all. The Democrats we the woke

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01:17:16,413 --> 01:17:19,213
Speaker 7: diversity ticket of Biden and Harris has proven to be

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01:17:19,453 --> 01:17:22,733
Speaker 7: very weak and bad for US and for the world.

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Speaker 2: And Colin is quite correct and by the way, I

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01:17:27,413 --> 01:17:32,413
Speaker 2: think I might make more reference to that David Flint's

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01:17:32,533 --> 01:17:39,093
Speaker 2: article than Donald wrote about at the end of this podcast. Now,

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01:17:39,133 --> 01:17:42,653
Speaker 2: Claire writes this old quote from J. D. Vance has

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Speaker 2: to be one of the funniest ever. Childless cat ladies.

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Speaker 2: Do you find that amusing?

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Speaker 6: Well, not really, I do, of course you do. A

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01:17:55,733 --> 01:17:57,013
Speaker 6: man who won't let me have a cat?

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01:17:57,173 --> 01:18:00,253
Speaker 2: No, no, but it's an old it's an old saying,

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01:18:01,213 --> 01:18:04,293
Speaker 2: and he's just he's just resurrected it. And to sort

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Speaker 2: of indicate that she goes on. Derek Hunter, a conservative

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01:18:08,333 --> 01:18:12,693
Speaker 2: American with a daily podcast, says frequently quote don't spike

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01:18:12,773 --> 01:18:16,373
Speaker 2: the football on the five yard line. In other words,

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01:18:16,493 --> 01:18:19,173
Speaker 2: don't count on Trump winning. It ain't over till the

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01:18:19,213 --> 01:18:22,653
Speaker 2: fat lady sings on election day. The old fat lady's

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01:18:22,693 --> 01:18:25,653
Speaker 2: getting a workout too. That's from Claire, who, by the way,

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01:18:25,653 --> 01:18:29,013
Speaker 2: responds to your question about does she live in America

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01:18:29,093 --> 01:18:32,533
Speaker 2: whatever a couple of weeks back, American expat living on

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Speaker 2: the west coast of the South Island.

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Speaker 6: Lovely's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: I think I knew that.

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Speaker 6: Actually you know everything later, No, not quite.

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Speaker 7: Nick says, longtime fan who greatly appreciates what you do.

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Speaker 7: Just wondering when or if you are getting Patrick Bashion

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Speaker 7: back on the podcast. He was always fascinating to listen

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01:18:51,413 --> 01:18:53,133
Speaker 7: to and it would be great to hear his take

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Speaker 7: on what is happening in the States.

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Speaker 2: Well, what do you reckon, Hey fix that one easily

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01:18:59,093 --> 01:19:02,693
Speaker 2: and thanks for the tip. A reference to the article

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01:19:02,733 --> 01:19:08,053
Speaker 2: in the New Zealand Herald on the twenty seventh of

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01:19:08,093 --> 01:19:12,933
Speaker 2: the seven which was last Saturdays by Stephen Joyce Health

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01:19:13,013 --> 01:19:17,933
Speaker 2: New Zealand overhaul sad yet predictable after merger missteps. This

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01:19:18,013 --> 01:19:22,733
Speaker 2: Herald piece should be compulsory reading for all its Gainsayers

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01:19:22,813 --> 01:19:27,693
Speaker 2: presumably can identify tangible health benefits from mister Little's reforms

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01:19:27,973 --> 01:19:32,733
Speaker 2: other than those of an aspirational or anticipatory nature given time.

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01:19:33,133 --> 01:19:36,293
Speaker 2: If so, such benefits are far from obvious, either for

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01:19:36,493 --> 01:19:40,813
Speaker 2: Mary or non Mary. That more than a billion dollars

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Speaker 2: of taxpayers money was spent on this ideological exercise is

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01:19:46,013 --> 01:19:50,613
Speaker 2: not justifiable, given that it did little more than raise

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01:19:50,773 --> 01:19:54,533
Speaker 2: an expectation that health services for Mary would significantly improve.

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Speaker 2: No doubt those across the board languishing in pain on

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01:19:58,213 --> 01:20:02,893
Speaker 2: waiting lists for elective surgery would express the matter more vehemently.

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Speaker 7: Layton Jin says, the choice between Donald Trump's May America

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Speaker 7: Great Again and Kamala Harris what can be unburdened by

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01:20:12,893 --> 01:20:17,773
Speaker 7: what has been is a choice between a man no, no,

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Speaker 7: I have no idea what can be She doesn't know either,

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Speaker 7: unburdened by what has been.

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Speaker 2: I got told her? Who told you that previously?

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01:20:27,973 --> 01:20:28,133
Speaker 5: Oh?

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01:20:28,213 --> 01:20:28,453
Speaker 2: Right?

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01:20:29,373 --> 01:20:31,613
Speaker 7: Is a choice between a man knows what needs to

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01:20:31,613 --> 01:20:33,493
Speaker 7: be done because he's been there before, and a woman

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Speaker 7: who merely spouts nonsensical limericks because she's never been able

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Speaker 7: to make it. Karmala Harris is having a cinder o

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Speaker 7: durn moment, thrust into leadership by accident, and totally ill

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Speaker 7: equipped to be a leader. As Jadie Vance said at

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Speaker 7: last Saturday's campaign rally in Minnesota, if there's one thing

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Speaker 7: we've learned about Kamala Harris, it's that she's had a

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Speaker 7: hard time winning votes because she's too extreme even for

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Speaker 7: the Democrats. Remember, in the twenty twenty primary, Harris dropped

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Speaker 7: out months before they even cast the first vote. She

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01:21:06,693 --> 01:21:09,813
Speaker 7: was so unpopular she pulled in the low digit, in

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Speaker 7: the low single digits among the Democrats the entire campaign.

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01:21:13,933 --> 01:21:16,013
Speaker 7: She wasn't even the top three in her home state

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Speaker 7: of California. And that's pretty embarrassing, ladies and gentlemen. That

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Speaker 7: was Jodie Vance's commentary. Trump made a most excellent choice

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Speaker 7: in selecting JD. Van as his vice president because, as

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Speaker 7: Ramesh the curb brilliantly equipped Vance's trump Ism without the

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01:21:33,813 --> 01:21:35,373
Speaker 7: Trump character flaws.

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Speaker 6: And if you think about.

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Speaker 7: It, this American election is no longer a contest between

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01:21:40,013 --> 01:21:42,933
Speaker 7: Donald Trump and Joe Biden. Rather, it is now a

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01:21:42,973 --> 01:21:47,053
Speaker 7: contest between JD. Vance and Kamala Harris. I only hope

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01:21:47,053 --> 01:21:49,453
Speaker 7: for the sake of the world that Americans have more

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Speaker 7: clever voters than the stupid ones.

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Speaker 6: God help us either way.

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Speaker 2: Did I that the fact that Vance was going to

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Speaker 2: debate her and now won't be, of course, because she

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Speaker 2: will be the leader debating Trump is a bit disappointing

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Speaker 2: for the simple reason that he wrote, Actually, I think

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Speaker 2: he'd pack her up and put her on the shelf. Hmm.

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Speaker 2: This is a little different, is personal. Late, after many

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Speaker 2: years of looking at this bottle of Clevedon Hills Ports

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Speaker 2: in the wine cupboard, we have finally opened it and

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Speaker 2: sit in front of the fire here in Marpor enjoying

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Speaker 2: a delicious, tasty after dinner drink. It is truly very special.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for the wonderful tipple from John and Lindall.

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Speaker 4: I just.

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Speaker 2: Have to say there was a bottle of the original,

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Speaker 2: the original bottle, because we had about four or five

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01:22:50,973 --> 01:22:54,053
Speaker 2: different bottles with different releases. That was in the cupboard

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Speaker 2: at the back of the cupboard where you couldn't see it,

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Speaker 2: and I dug it out. This is a little while

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Speaker 2: back now dug it out. It was years old and

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01:23:03,173 --> 01:23:06,173
Speaker 2: it only had about a a quarter of the bottle

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Speaker 2: in it, so I tried itsolutely outstanding. So I've got

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Speaker 2: about five bottles of the of the last edition of

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Speaker 2: the Layton Support from Cleveland Hills. What four bottles? I

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Speaker 2: did not know that I have. I think it's five.

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01:23:24,093 --> 01:23:28,213
Speaker 2: And I've decided that everybody. There's so many people asking

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01:23:28,253 --> 01:23:30,053
Speaker 2: when are you going to do it again? Look, it

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01:23:30,133 --> 01:23:33,333
Speaker 2: was made by Enzo Bettio with some of his grapes

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01:23:34,013 --> 01:23:38,413
Speaker 2: and most mostly mine, but some of his, and he

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01:23:38,453 --> 01:23:40,773
Speaker 2: made it so well, and he's now off the scene.

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01:23:40,813 --> 01:23:42,853
Speaker 2: He's not making wine anymore, and it doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: know about it, which is which is a shame. So

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Speaker 2: these five bottles, I've decided I'm prepared to sell three

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Speaker 2: of them at five thousand dollars a bottle. So anybody

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Speaker 2: who loved it so much and as a spare five,

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Speaker 2: then give me an email.

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Speaker 6: That'll be the first financial thing that you that you

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Speaker 6: ever do properly you comfort you okay later? This is

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Speaker 6: from Salvatore.

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Speaker 7: You were right to say that this week's from Esh

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01:24:15,293 --> 01:24:18,093
Speaker 7: the Kurr interview was one of your best. His explanation

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01:24:18,213 --> 01:24:21,413
Speaker 7: of the politics of the United Nations and the broader

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01:24:21,533 --> 01:24:25,933
Speaker 7: un system was absolutely masterful. A fantastic education.

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Speaker 2: At an email that was decidedly insightful. So finally from Brenda,

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01:24:32,493 --> 01:24:36,573
Speaker 2: who wasn't writing to me but copied me in and

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01:24:37,453 --> 01:24:41,733
Speaker 2: I think you'll see why when she writes high there

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01:24:42,893 --> 01:24:46,973
Speaker 2: to the Reserve Bank. Hi, there, I see on your

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01:24:47,013 --> 01:24:50,333
Speaker 2: site there is a submission portal for a digital cash survey.

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01:24:50,853 --> 01:24:52,613
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have known about this if it were not

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01:24:52,693 --> 01:24:54,973
Speaker 2: for a friend emailing it to me. Can you please

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01:24:55,013 --> 01:24:58,973
Speaker 2: tell me when this was uploaded. I'd like to establish

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01:24:58,973 --> 01:25:01,733
Speaker 2: how long you have given people to respond in relation

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01:25:01,893 --> 01:25:06,293
Speaker 2: to the complexity of the situation, given that digital currency

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01:25:06,333 --> 01:25:09,813
Speaker 2: has the potential to forever change the landscape of our

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01:25:09,813 --> 01:25:13,893
Speaker 2: financial system and the way people live. I would like

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01:25:13,973 --> 01:25:17,493
Speaker 2: to know what kind of advertising you have done to

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01:25:17,573 --> 01:25:21,013
Speaker 2: let people know this survey is taking place. Most people

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01:25:21,053 --> 01:25:24,053
Speaker 2: do not understand what digital money is, let alone what

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01:25:24,173 --> 01:25:27,213
Speaker 2: they should or should not be in favor, whether or

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01:25:27,253 --> 01:25:29,213
Speaker 2: not they should or should not be in favor of it.

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01:25:30,333 --> 01:25:33,413
Speaker 2: I looked at the survey and found it too biased

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01:25:33,693 --> 01:25:36,333
Speaker 2: to fill out. The survey works on the premise that

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01:25:36,373 --> 01:25:40,333
Speaker 2: respondents agree with the CBDCs and then ask questions that

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01:25:40,373 --> 01:25:44,053
Speaker 2: are confusing and in one case contradictory. Despite these issues,

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01:25:44,453 --> 01:25:48,373
Speaker 2: I have made a submission. I urge the Central Bank

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01:25:48,453 --> 01:25:51,693
Speaker 2: to extend the deadline of the submission date and make

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01:25:51,773 --> 01:25:55,773
Speaker 2: greater effort to inform the public about it. It is

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01:25:55,853 --> 01:25:58,693
Speaker 2: deeply concerning that I did not see this survey anywhere,

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01:25:59,253 --> 01:26:04,853
Speaker 2: and it should have been in my algorithmic footprint due

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01:26:04,893 --> 01:26:08,333
Speaker 2: to my interest in the subject. Additionally, it would be

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01:26:08,453 --> 01:26:11,613
Speaker 2: beneficial to reword the survey to allow those who are

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01:26:11,733 --> 01:26:15,373
Speaker 2: against cbdc's to express their views without being led by

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01:26:15,453 --> 01:26:20,533
Speaker 2: the questions. Please respond urgently. I have posted this query

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01:26:20,773 --> 01:26:24,773
Speaker 2: at the NZ Center for Political Research to see if

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01:26:24,813 --> 01:26:30,333
Speaker 2: others were aware that this survey was available. Please advise Brenda.

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01:26:31,133 --> 01:26:34,933
Speaker 2: Brilliant approach you've taken, and I will wait to see

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01:26:34,933 --> 01:26:39,973
Speaker 2: whether you've got a reply with regard to that. This

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01:26:40,093 --> 01:26:40,653
Speaker 2: is producer.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Later, I've got lots of editing to do.

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01:26:43,973 --> 01:26:49,693
Speaker 7: You do the best bits won't be heard sarcastic bits.

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01:26:58,373 --> 01:27:02,333
Speaker 2: I indicated that I might refer to David Flint's article

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01:27:02,373 --> 01:27:06,693
Speaker 2: that was referred to in a letter during the mail Room.

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01:27:07,053 --> 01:27:09,453
Speaker 2: At the end of the podcast, we are there and

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01:27:10,173 --> 01:27:14,133
Speaker 2: I shall fulfill my suggestion. David Plint has a long

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01:27:14,333 --> 01:27:18,093
Speaker 2: history of success in life. An interesting character is one

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01:27:18,093 --> 01:27:20,373
Speaker 2: way to describe him. But I want to concentrate on

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01:27:20,373 --> 01:27:24,293
Speaker 2: only what really matters as far as his professional identity

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01:27:24,373 --> 01:27:27,173
Speaker 2: is concerned. So under the heading of Korea. He was

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01:27:27,213 --> 01:27:30,213
Speaker 2: admitted as a lawyer in New South Wales and in

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01:27:30,533 --> 01:27:33,773
Speaker 2: England and Wales. He is Australian. He practiced for a

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01:27:33,813 --> 01:27:37,773
Speaker 2: number of years, lecturing in several university business and law

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01:27:37,773 --> 01:27:44,133
Speaker 2: schools that included a wide range of subjects including business, tax, antitrust, comparative,

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01:27:44,253 --> 01:27:49,213
Speaker 2: constitutional and international law. Now the important part comes under

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01:27:49,253 --> 01:27:53,613
Speaker 2: the heading of honors. Flint was awarded World Outstanding Legal

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01:27:53,653 --> 01:27:58,853
Speaker 2: Scholar the World Jurists Association, Barcelona in October nineteen ninety one.

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01:27:59,653 --> 01:28:02,733
Speaker 2: On twelve June nineteen ninety five, he was made a

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Speaker 2: Member of the Order of Australia in recognition of service

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01:28:06,173 --> 01:28:09,573
Speaker 2: to the print media, particularly as chairman of the Australian

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01:28:09,613 --> 01:28:13,453
Speaker 2: Press Council and to international relations. He has written widely

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01:28:13,493 --> 01:28:18,453
Speaker 2: on matters and you can only say highly qualified to

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01:28:18,493 --> 01:28:22,813
Speaker 2: make comment on many things, but particularly with regard to well.

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01:28:22,893 --> 01:28:25,613
Speaker 2: I think what I'm about to quote you A number

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01:28:25,613 --> 01:28:29,373
Speaker 2: of people don't understand my attachment to Donald Trump, and

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01:28:29,413 --> 01:28:33,093
Speaker 2: I'm getting weary of explaining, so I thought, so I

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01:28:33,133 --> 01:28:37,973
Speaker 2: thought i'd quote David Flint under the heading of a

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01:28:38,053 --> 01:28:40,853
Speaker 2: Trump victory is critical. And keep in mind that this

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01:28:40,933 --> 01:28:45,093
Speaker 2: is written by an Australian for an Australian audience. As

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Speaker 2: far as I'm concerned, New Zealand is part of that audience,

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01:28:48,613 --> 01:28:52,653
Speaker 2: and New Zealand is not part politically of Australia. But

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01:28:52,733 --> 01:28:55,173
Speaker 2: we don't have a closer relationship with any other country.

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Speaker 2: So what he says I think is relevant to New

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01:28:59,133 --> 01:29:02,573
Speaker 2: Zealand as well as Australia. Donald Trump's election as the

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01:29:02,573 --> 01:29:06,813
Speaker 2: forty seventh president is crucial, and not only to the US.

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01:29:07,853 --> 01:29:11,813
Speaker 2: Four more years of appeasement to the Beijing Moscow Tehran axis,

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01:29:11,973 --> 01:29:17,413
Speaker 2: uncontrolled immigration, and the prevalence of climate catastrophism and other

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01:29:17,493 --> 01:29:23,013
Speaker 2: alien ideologies risk such damage to the US and Western

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01:29:23,133 --> 01:29:28,093
Speaker 2: civilization of which we are part that it could be irreversible.

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01:29:28,613 --> 01:29:31,053
Speaker 2: If anybody can return America to the power, respect, and

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01:29:31,093 --> 01:29:35,533
Speaker 2: authority she once enjoyed, it is Donald Trump. Here's what

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01:29:35,613 --> 01:29:38,413
Speaker 2: he suggests he will achieve. He'll close the borders to

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Speaker 2: the uncontrolled massive migration that Biden imposed in reach of

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01:29:42,293 --> 01:29:44,973
Speaker 2: the law. As the forty seventh president, he will no

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Speaker 2: doubt relieve America from the ideologies of the Long March

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01:29:48,893 --> 01:29:53,133
Speaker 2: through her institutions that have imposed themselves on the nation.

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Speaker 2: He will require freeloaders to become true allies. He will

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Speaker 2: return the Beijing, Moscow Tehran axis to the good behavior

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Speaker 2: that they prudently demonstrated during his first term. He will

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Speaker 2: restore peace in the Middle East, as he did with

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01:30:07,053 --> 01:30:11,013
Speaker 2: the Abraham Accords. He has ensured his ideas will continue

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01:30:11,053 --> 01:30:14,893
Speaker 2: with his choice of JD. Vance as candidate to vice president,

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01:30:15,213 --> 01:30:18,253
Speaker 2: and whatever he does at home will be a lesson

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01:30:18,333 --> 01:30:23,253
Speaker 2: for the free world. We must therefore ignore the commentariat

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01:30:23,693 --> 01:30:27,893
Speaker 2: that scorned him, just as they scorned Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher,

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01:30:27,973 --> 01:30:32,373
Speaker 2: John Howard, and Tony Abbotts. And he closes this three

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01:30:32,413 --> 01:30:37,053
Speaker 2: page article with this short comment. Today, few will disagree

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01:30:37,133 --> 01:30:41,773
Speaker 2: that this year's election is extremely important as Trump himself says,

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01:30:42,413 --> 01:30:47,093
Speaker 2: it is the most important close quote. America is at

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01:30:47,133 --> 01:30:52,173
Speaker 2: the crossroads. Only Trump offers salvation. His election is crucial

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01:30:52,213 --> 01:30:56,853
Speaker 2: to America and to the free world, including Australia, and

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01:30:56,973 --> 01:31:01,213
Speaker 2: I'm adding New Zealand. Now if you disagree with that,

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01:31:01,933 --> 01:31:05,133
Speaker 2: I'm going to have a good reason why. Open to

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01:31:05,293 --> 01:31:09,413
Speaker 2: your open to your prognostications. And I'll leave it there.

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01:31:09,613 --> 01:31:12,053
Speaker 2: But if you want to read that article, you can

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01:31:12,213 --> 01:31:15,453
Speaker 2: probably read it on the I can't guarantee it, but

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01:31:15,533 --> 01:31:18,613
Speaker 2: you can properly read it on the Spectator Australia website

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01:31:20,013 --> 01:31:24,133
Speaker 2: under the name of David Plint. Otherwise could pay you

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01:31:24,253 --> 01:31:29,013
Speaker 2: dues I suppose, and join up with Spectator Australia. This

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01:31:29,093 --> 01:31:30,893
Speaker 2: is not a paid ad. I've been saying it for

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01:31:30,893 --> 01:31:33,933
Speaker 2: a long time. That will take us out for podcasts.

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and forty nine two fifty a quarter of

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01:31:39,053 --> 01:31:41,733
Speaker 2: a thousand, No big deal, really, I suppose. But there

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01:31:41,813 --> 01:31:43,613
Speaker 2: is something else attached to it that I'll make mention

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Speaker 2: of next week. So if you would like to write

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01:31:46,093 --> 01:31:48,813
Speaker 2: to us Latent at newstalksb dot co dot Nz or

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01:31:48,893 --> 01:31:52,973
Speaker 2: Carolyn at the same address newstalkszeb dot co dot Nz,

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01:31:54,093 --> 01:31:59,453
Speaker 2: we shall return shortly with two fifty. In the meantime,

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01:31:59,853 --> 01:32:03,333
Speaker 2: let me say, quite genuinely thank you for listening and

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01:32:03,413 --> 01:32:04,093
Speaker 2: we'll talk soon.

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