1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southby's international realty, unparalleled reach 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: and results. 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 2: So on the Huddle today we have been Thomas and 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Simon Wilson joins us. Hello both you gentlemen. How are 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:13,800 Speaker 2: you today? 6 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 3: Andrew ben Kyoto great today, your big your pardon, doing 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 3: great today, doing great today. 8 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: I thought you were saying I was at work today. 9 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 2: I was going to say, well, I very much. 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 4: It means the same thing, very much. 11 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: This has been Thomas, who, by the way, is absolutely 12 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: obsessed right now with Susie Wilds, but not but not 13 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: the Susie Wilds that we know and love. 14 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: I just do a double take every time I see 15 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: comments attributed to the Donald Trump campaign in America attributed 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:48,159 Speaker 3: to Susie Wilde. 17 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 4: It's a tradition. 18 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: It's traditional Susie as well, not the Susie like Susie 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: and the Banches. Look, I'm joking around, but we've just 20 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: had a very very serious interview about how nothing happened 21 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: in three years since the death of a child. And frankly, 22 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 2: I have covered there so many years where we do 23 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 2: a report, we have worthy words and then nothing happens. 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 4: Simon, Yeah, there are a couple of things I think 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 4: came out of that interview just Tod with Aaron Jones. 26 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,120 Speaker 4: One of the points that strikes me is that it 27 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 4: must be getting hard for a wrong a tamareki now 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 4: to keep employing finding social workers to employ, because the 29 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: agency gets so demonized and they get blamed for so much. 30 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying that they're all doing it perfectly, 31 00:01:30,319 --> 00:01:33,520 Speaker 4: but that they are in the right in the firing 32 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 4: line every time everything goes wrong, and yet we know 33 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 4: it's an underfunded in many ways disruptive agency is probably 34 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: And the second issue is is there a better example 35 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 4: anywhere of the nonsense that if you take out back 36 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 4: off of staff and put them into the front line, 37 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 4: you're making things better. A wrong a tamaiki needs to 38 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: be able to record what it does so that it 39 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 4: knows this child who is at risk, it's got the 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: records for them. And that is back office work, that 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 4: is paperwork that has to be done. 42 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 2: Now, I understand Simon, but at the same time, you 43 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: can't record something if you don't have the person who's 44 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: actually doing something that you can record. So what do 45 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: you think, Ben. 46 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, look, there are back office staff who 47 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: aren't doing any recording and aren't doing much evaluating and 48 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 3: you know, having a lot of meetings and a lot 49 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: of zoom calls. On the other hand, you know, that's 50 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 3: that is pretty marginal in terms of you know, the 51 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 3: issue that we're confronting as a nation and perpetually. I 52 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 3: think someone made a good point, you know, in the 53 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 3: sector that I work in, communications adding a somebody he 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 3: pays you know, well above you know, the kind of 55 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 3: market rates, because otherwise they can't get anyone who would 56 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:49,959 Speaker 3: want to front those stories to the media day day 57 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: and day out. You know, it is a it's a 58 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: workplace with a very high rate of nutrition. You know, 59 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 3: it's a very punishing environment, you know, on the front line, 60 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: and you know, I mean, if you could take one 61 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: sort of lining out of it. I know there was 62 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 3: a bit of debate about the Independent Children's Monitor and 63 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,919 Speaker 3: whether it would you know, have the kind of teeth 64 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: can compare to sort of the Children's Commissioner. On the 65 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: other hand, you know, look, it seems that we can 66 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 3: still get the same results we've had in the past, 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 3: which is pointing out that you know, things don't seem 68 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: to be particularly improving. 69 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: No, they're not improving. You know and can a government 70 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 2: agency really improve Actually the behavior of New Zealanders is 71 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: you know, I sometimes I just think it's just worthy 72 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: words which we do to salve our conscience, and then 73 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: nothing really really happens. Occasionally you get a saint who'll 74 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: come in and save some stuff in a case or 75 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: two or three. 76 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 4: Well, this is where we're I've gone something. Okay, We're 77 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 4: one week after the report of the Royal Commission to Abuse, 78 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 4: some care and there's lessons for us. It feels to 79 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: me like this is a moment now for us. Of 80 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: course around a Tamrihi or any one agency can't change 81 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 4: the culture, but the culture significantly clear has to change. 82 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 4: And it seems to me that one of the things 83 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 4: that came out of that inquiry was that there are 84 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:17,599 Speaker 4: people who have survived that terrible abuse and have gone 85 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 4: on to be counselors to gond help others and communities 86 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 4: to not have to go through what they went through, 87 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 4: and they are the people we should be empowering now 88 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 4: and saying and helping and being led by as we 89 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 4: have a societal turnaround. 90 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 2: Ben Thomas and Simon Wilson on the Huddle. 91 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand. Southerbast International Realty exceptional marketing 92 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: for every property. 93 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: Ben Thomas Simon, WI wasn't on the huddle, Ben, you've 94 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,280 Speaker 2: been watching the Did you watch the triathon last night? 95 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: I saw bits of it. Last night was actually the 96 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 3: first night that I changed into the Olympic. So I 97 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: realized there was sort of something missing in my life, 98 00:04:57,000 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 3: which was being part of the monoculture again and in 99 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: part of a shared experience on television. 100 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 2: Well, what's what's missing in your life? Table tennis, beach, volleyball, 101 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 2: what you know? 102 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 3: I discovered it might be handball, or it might I 103 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,760 Speaker 3: like the idea of handball, which seems like sort of 104 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: it seems like they get the kind of support crew 105 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 3: to play in between you know, the real sports. 106 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 2: It's like football but just a bit crap. 107 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 3: Basketball a bit difficult. How about if we made the 108 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: net four hundred times? 109 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: That's so true. That's so true, Simon, about the element. 110 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 4: I found the triathlon last night thrilling. I did watch 111 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 4: this whole thing, you know what. 112 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 2: I called it the best movie that Sky has ever played. 113 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:47,760 Speaker 4: And my wife went to bed halfway through, and she 114 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: would have heard me, you know, through the wall, calling out. 115 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 2: No, no, no, yeah, it was such a they weren't 116 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:56,080 Speaker 2: covering it. 117 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: They weren't and that was one so disappointing that they 118 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 4: weren't keeping out with what's happening exactly right. 119 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get onto the biggest story of the day. 120 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: Some people brought some food into a Pooka Coe movie theater. 121 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 2: The people came along who owned the theaters, that you 122 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 2: can't do that here, and then the people went crazy 123 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 2: and started calling them racists and going all angry, and 124 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: then they got thrown out and trespass. So should you, 125 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 2: Ben Thomas take food into a theater? Was the movie 126 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 2: cinema within their rights? 127 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 3: Look, I'm not going to stand here and pretend I 128 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 3: have never taken my own food into a movie, but 129 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: you know, it was wrong though being right, I think 130 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 3: I think it's changed a little bit, you know in 131 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 3: the I mean, movies suddenly haven't become any cheaper, but 132 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: they you know, they the cinemas really are kind of 133 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 3: on the breadline these days. You know, people are staying 134 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 3: at home, they're watching Netflix, they're not going out. You know. 135 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 3: I think, as the theater manager said, if they if 136 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 3: they don't sort of charge eight dollars for a you know, 137 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 3: one leader fenta or whatever money. You know, it's going 138 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 3: out out of business. I mean, I think the issue 139 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 3: is that if you are going to bring your own snacks, 140 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 3: be a bit subtle about it. I mean, there's no 141 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 3: reason when they die, you know, like you know, ut 142 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 3: least you're laying out a buffet. I don't know how 143 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:15,320 Speaker 3: you get picked. 144 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: Up on it, like being smuggling your own snickers in 145 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 2: your socks. 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 4: But it's not an ethical issue, is it? Just to me, 147 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 4: it's very straightforward that retailers have the right to make 148 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 4: the rules around these properties are reason exactly, And the 149 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 4: reason why places like that offer food and all the 150 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 4: rest is because that money they make from it is 151 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 4: vital to them, oh yeah, to their viability. 152 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 2: It's just like, is it go to a restaurant, they 153 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: make the money off the drinks. Go to a cinema 154 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 2: and they make the money off the thing. So that's 155 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: the first thing. Then there's health safety regulations covering food 156 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: in the cinema, which they're not responsible for. If you're 157 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: bringing in your own egg sandwiches, it's their property, it's 158 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: their rules. And then the sneaky snack is when they 159 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 2: got called out. We're behaved disgustingly, so I think it's 160 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: a no brain. I can't believe there's a debate. 161 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 4: I think you're right about that, and you know it 162 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 4: is hard. Times are tough for everybody, but retailers need 163 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 4: to be supported. 164 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: And can I just ask, do you have to eat 165 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: within the two and a half hours? Can't you pre 166 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: load like we do when we're drinking, you know? 167 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 4: I think I think the answer is you do. 168 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 3: Have to look. 169 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 2: I would just say yes, But do you know the 170 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 2: opening of chip packets ruins my movies? Mate, just just 171 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: gobble up louder then come in. 172 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it is true. I was watching I did go 173 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 3: to a quiet place, you know, the movie No Word 174 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 3: thirty minutes and I dip by multi. 175 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 4: Ben, you were that guy, you were always give that 176 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:42,559 Speaker 4: shame shame. 177 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 2: That's the second time I've said shame to Ben Thomas. 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: Very nice. I love it. Thank you so much, Ben 179 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 2: Thomas and Simon Wilson. This is News Talk ZB. 180 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, listen live to 181 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: News Talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow 182 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.