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Speaker 1: The only drive show you can trust to ask the questions,

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Speaker 1: get the answers by the facts and give the analysis.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplessy Alan Drive with One New Zealand. Let's get

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Speaker 1: connected and news talk as they'd be.

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Speaker 2: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. Coming up today.

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Speaker 2: The government is still tidying up the building industry. Now

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Speaker 2: it's going to allow trusted builders to basically inspect their

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Speaker 2: own work. So we'll speak to the Minister Chris penkarfter five.

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Speaker 2: The cops have reopened the Arthur Eastern murder case from

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Speaker 2: the nineteen eighties. Then our alpha in quite a big reward.

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Speaker 2: And we're also going to go to Jack taym at

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Speaker 2: a Trump rally and Georgia in about an hour's time.

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Speaker 3: Heather dupless L.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so on that. We're now down to the last

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Speaker 2: week of the US election campaign, and I would expect

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Speaker 2: embrace yourself because the election coverage will ramp up, like

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Speaker 2: really ramp up from here. It's gonna be pretty full

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Speaker 2: on over the next week. It already has started. And

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Speaker 2: actually I was particularly interested today in some of that,

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Speaker 2: in particular Simon Wilson's take in The Herald on this

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Speaker 2: where he basically skewered John Key former Prime Minister John

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Speaker 2: Keith endorsing Donald Trump. I mean, endorsing is a strong word,

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Speaker 2: is I think that's what John Key was doing. And

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Speaker 2: you might remember the interview was an interview kind of

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Speaker 2: at the start of this month with Samantha Hayes for

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Speaker 2: three News, and what John Key said was that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump would be good for the US selection not particularly

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Speaker 2: good for New Zealand because of his foreign policy and

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Speaker 2: the tariffs and worker and the isolation is and blah

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Speaker 2: blah blah, all that kind of stuff, but on balance,

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Speaker 2: good for the US economy. Now, I don't know that

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Speaker 2: that's an endorsement, is it. I mean that felt to

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Speaker 2: me just like an assessment in his opinion of the fact.

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Speaker 2: So I would share John Key's view that Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: on balance is going to be good for the US economy.

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Speaker 2: I'm not telling people in the States to vote for

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Speaker 2: him that would be an endorsement anyway, whatever, So you

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Speaker 2: can read into it what you want. I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: cut to the heart of what Simon was doing in

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Speaker 2: his column, right. He was criticizing John Key basically for,

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Speaker 2: in his words, sproking a tyrant. Now, this is an

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Speaker 2: interesting thing. I don't think this kind of criticism well,

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Speaker 2: first of all, give you some context, right, you'll have

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Speaker 2: heard this stuff before. This kind of criticism of someone

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Speaker 2: who expresses a a favorable opinion of the baddie an

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Speaker 2: election in politics is not new. I mean, you cast

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Speaker 2: your mind back to Todd Muller, who was back then

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Speaker 2: the leader of the National Party. The biggest scandal that

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Speaker 2: he faced while he was in the leadership was that

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Speaker 2: he had Maga hats on display. Because you know, Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump is the baddie. But this is the interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it matters as much to have a

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Speaker 2: crack at somebody for something like this anymore. I think

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Speaker 2: it's lost its punch this time around, doesn't carry the

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Speaker 2: weight it did back in twenty sixteen. Part of the reason,

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Speaker 2: I think is that moral criticism for choosing the wrong

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Speaker 2: side has been completely overused in the last ten years

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Speaker 2: or so, and anything that's overused eventually wears thin and

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Speaker 2: loses its power. But also I think it's because it's

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Speaker 2: not just a case of good versus bad. I mean,

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Speaker 2: there are other things to take into account, like the economy,

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Speaker 2: which is more important, and Donald Trump wins on the

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Speaker 2: economy apparently, and many Americans also think the Democrats aren't

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Speaker 2: as good as a lot of us think, as many

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Speaker 2: of them think the Democrats are as are corrupt as

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Speaker 2: they think Republicans are corrupt. Kamala Harris is unappealing in

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Speaker 2: her own way. She's doing really weird things. One of

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Speaker 2: the craziest things I've seen her do is offer interest

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Speaker 2: free loans to entrepreneurs as long as they black, not

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Speaker 2: anybody else. I mean, set the racial politics stuff aside,

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Speaker 2: which I'm not into any way. It's such a gross

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Speaker 2: example of pork barrel politics. She has lost the blackmail vote.

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Speaker 2: She is chasing the black mail vote, so she is

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Speaker 2: prepared to give them basically free money as long as

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Speaker 2: they vote for her. How unashamedly transactional is that, anyway.

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Speaker 2: I think that's one of the most interesting things of

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Speaker 2: this election campaign in the US, the fact that Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump has shown, even if he doesn't win, just through

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Speaker 2: his popularity at the moment, that his election in twenty

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Speaker 2: sixteen was not a mistake, because he's coming very close

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Speaker 2: to repeating at this time around, and that if people

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Speaker 2: best candidate in some respects they are doing that, and

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Speaker 2: also that criticizing them for it just really doesn't sting

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Speaker 2: as much as it did eight years ago, does it?

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Speaker 3: Together? Do for see it?

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: Welcome to away in nine two nine two is the

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Speaker 2: text number. Standard text fees apply Now on domestic issues,

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Speaker 2: it looks like you're going to get fewer mail deliveries.

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Speaker 2: There is a proposal to cut mail deliveries in towns

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Speaker 2: and cities from three times a week at the moment

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Speaker 2: from five to three times a week, and also to

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Speaker 2: cut the minimum number of post shops from eight hundred

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Speaker 2: and eighty right down to five hundred. Now MB's in

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Speaker 2: charge of this, and the guy in charge of post

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Speaker 2: at MB is James Hartley. Hey, James, hi, Yever, this

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Speaker 2: is out for consultation. But I mean this is headed

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Speaker 2: in only one direction, isn't it. This is going to happen,

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Speaker 5: We are looking forward to getting feedback from community on

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Speaker 5: how they use their postal service. But the reality here

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Speaker 5: is that we know that Kiwi's ascending a lot fewer

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Speaker 5: letters than they used to in two thousand and two.

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Speaker 5: For example, one billion letters went through the postal system.

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Speaker 5: It's now down to about one hundred and eighty million,

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Speaker 5: so that's a huge decline over that and it's continuing

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Speaker 5: to decline. So we think it's the right time to

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Speaker 5: seek some public feedback on it's the best way to

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Speaker 5: maintain a mail service whilst ensuring that zip posts remains

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Speaker 5: financially sustainable as well.

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Speaker 2: Do we actually need a mail service.

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Speaker 5: And totally. The feedback we have is that some communities

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Speaker 5: still very much do rely on the male service. I

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Speaker 5: think particularly those in rural areas, maybe the elderly as well.

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Speaker 5: We are seeing numbers declining in urban areas. For example,

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Speaker 5: the average post box gets about two legs per week.

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Speaker 5: In rural areas it's a tree lys per week, and

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Speaker 5: there's declining, but it is still important for some people,

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Speaker 5: and that's why we're seeking feedback on how are people

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Speaker 5: using the mail service? What do they want from their

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Speaker 3: Is it all?

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Speaker 2: I mean, if there are how many okay, how many

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Speaker 2: people do you reckon there are in the country who

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Speaker 2: say to you, yeah, yeah, we actually really need this.

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Speaker 2: We are in the elderly community or whatever, and we

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Speaker 2: have to have the mail delivered. What proportion of the

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Speaker 2: country do you reckon?

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Speaker 4: That is?

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Speaker 5: It's hard to judge, and that's that's kind of exactly

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Speaker 5: why we are seeking feedback from the community.

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Speaker 2: We know you reckon though, James, because I reckon, I reckon.

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Speaker 2: You're a bit of an expert. So what do you reckon?

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Speaker 3: Do you?

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Speaker 2: How big do you think it is?

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Speaker 5: It's said most letterboxes will be receiving mail each week.

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Speaker 5: We know that about ninety nine percent of the mail

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Speaker 5: that goes through the system is from either the businesses,

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Speaker 5: organizations or the government, So only about one percent of

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Speaker 5: letters are sent by by individual So that's pretty small,

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Speaker 5: and it's obviously dropping has dropped since since the advent

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Speaker 5: of email. We are to seek that feedback. Who is

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Speaker 5: still using the letters of the mail system? What do

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Speaker 5: they want from the mail system?

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Speaker 2: Why don't you guys just go hard and pull the pin,

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Speaker 2: like make the bold call, pull the pin and force

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Speaker 2: anyone who still says sends letters to use the career service.

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Speaker 5: So there are still one hundred and eighty million letters

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Speaker 5: going through the system at the moment.

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Speaker 2: But James, how much of that is crap? I mean, like, honestly, genuinely,

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Speaker 2: most of the mail that I get is like estate

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Speaker 2: agents who still have me on their database, sending me

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Speaker 5: So I guess you get six second feedback. What we

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Speaker 5: are doing is negotiating the government's deed within their posts,

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Speaker 5: which sits out probably for a three to five year

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Speaker 2: To give you an out here, James. I'm trying to say, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, let's do this, Let's take the hard decision,

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Speaker 2: let's make the people use the career and shut this

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Speaker 2: nonsense down. What do you reckon?

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Speaker 5: I reckon? I'm keen to hear from the public about

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Speaker 5: what their expectations are, and especially those in raw communities

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Speaker 5: and the elderly as well. How are people still using

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Speaker 5: the male system? Maybe maybe the years to come might

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Speaker 5: be a broader conversation around around mail.

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Speaker 2: But mate, it's not far away, though, is it, James?

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Speaker 2: Like I reckon, like one hundred percent of my life

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Speaker 2: done in your life, dom, I reckon, in the next

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Speaker 2: ten years, we're going to shut this down, don't you reckon?

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Speaker 5: Hard to say. If it's ten years, what do you reckon?

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Speaker 6: Then?

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Speaker 5: I don't know. I honestly don't know. That's why we

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Speaker 5: are we are seeking this feedback from the public. How

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Speaker 5: are people using the male system the BO This is

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Speaker 5: not a uniquely new Zealand issue and we've seen postal

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Speaker 5: systems around the world grappling with this issue. So you

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Speaker 5: know that in Australia, for example, de Us moved to

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Speaker 5: every other business day for their deliveries as well, So

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Speaker 5: there's something that everyone is grappling with. The people are

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Speaker 2: Listen, explain to me why is it that rural areas

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Speaker 2: get more deliveries in towns and cities.

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Speaker 5: As I said, Actually the stats are that the rural

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Speaker 5: areas do do get more leagus per week on average

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Speaker 5: than the urban and then the urban counterparts. So it

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Speaker 5: does appear that rural users are using the male service

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Speaker 5: a bit more. Again, we're Kingdom to dig into that

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Speaker 5: bit more. What are your expectations for the mail service?

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Speaker 5: Is there a differential an expectation between rural and urban areas.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting, James, listen, thank you very much, really

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. That's James Hartley, MB's General manager of Communications

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Speaker 2: and Infrastructure, sixteen past.

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Speaker 3: Four, digging deeper into the day's headlines.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duper c Allen drive with one New Zealand

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Speaker 1: one giant leaf for business, used dogsb sport with tab

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Speaker 1: Get your bed on, ri etem bed responsibly.

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Speaker 2: Darcy Watergrave Sports Talk Cooasters at BA does hello, Heather

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Speaker 2: back from the weekend.

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Speaker 7: You have a good one, absolutely huge, so much fun.

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Speaker 7: In fact, some of it I didn't even want, Jenny sport.

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Speaker 2: Sport is fund for the rest of us, but to you,

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Speaker 2: it's worked.

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Speaker 7: No, it's a huge amount of fun. I enjoyed it.

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Speaker 7: But I was invited to a barbecue from some old friends.

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Speaker 7: So I took my daughter up to the barbecue and

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Speaker 7: she played with all of her friends who go to

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Speaker 7: the same high school, and we sat around enjoyed company.

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Speaker 7: I have two beers so I could drive home and

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Speaker 7: then I drive home and turn the sport back on again.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, straight back. Did you watch Liam Lawson? Did

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Speaker 2: you see him?

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Speaker 7: I watched everything. I couldn't help myself. Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 7: was quite surprised by that. I didn't from what I

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Speaker 7: know of Liam Lawson strike me as something he generally.

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Speaker 2: Normally seems like a very chill do here.

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Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen cutting through the noise to get the facts.

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Speaker 2: Be either if you address the Ginny Anderson star Star

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Speaker 2: just before the end of the hour. Anthony Albanezi, by

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Speaker 9: Barn about this. All of my flights have been declared

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Speaker 2: some of the texts on Simon Wilsome v John Key

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Speaker 1: Hard Questions, strong opinion, Heather Duper see Alan Drive with

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Speaker 3: Let's get connected and used talk as it'd be.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 3: You're not.

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Speaker 7: I'm falling apart, ride in front of cadle very.

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Speaker 2: Murray Olds is standing by out of Australia. Here the

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Speaker 2: Simon's piece in the Herald says more about him than

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Speaker 2: sir John Key. Here the reasonable support with John Key

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, it'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: The Israeli Parliament has voted to ban the United States

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Speaker 6: They really play an irreplaceable role right now in Gaza.

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Speaker 2: Now, there's been some criticism of a joke told ed

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Speaker 10: Maybe maybe it's a stupid racist show, because you said

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Speaker 10: I'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke,

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Speaker 1: Tim International correspondence with ends and eye insurance Peace of

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Speaker 4: Hello here, they're gonna haveternoon on.

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Speaker 2: Then what do you make of Elbow getting the upgrades?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well he's not the only one.

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Speaker 11: I mean he's made his entire political life the whole

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Speaker 11: narrative has been about his single mum raising him in

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Speaker 11: a government in government housing. And she did it tough

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Speaker 11: all her live as she did. And that's been the

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Speaker 11: alb and easy narrative. But you know when he goes

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Speaker 11: and buys a four and a half billion dollar house

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Speaker 11: and gets up the point the end of the plane,

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Speaker 11: it just doesn't look right. Now, yes, they all do it,

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Speaker 11: but for Elbow, the good point you make is that

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Speaker 11: it just doesn't look right.

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Speaker 4: Does it past the pub test? We ask over here,

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Speaker 4: Well maybe it doesn't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it doesn't. Speaking of which, this government has

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Speaker 2: said no more election bribes. Don't expect them.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, that's right. There's going to be two budgets, a

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Speaker 11: couple of mini ones. I suppose it's well, perhaps not

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Speaker 11: next marks. That may be a biggie because we're going

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Speaker 11: to go to the polls and may it looks like

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Speaker 11: and Jim Charmers, the Treasurer saying to people, do not

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Speaker 11: expect handouts because big hand I mean, all the economists

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Speaker 11: talk over here now is that inflation is really dropping

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Speaker 11: through the floor.

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Speaker 4: They've had the.

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Speaker 11: Brakes on so long, waiting, waiting, waiting, and maybe maybe

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Speaker 11: the Reserve Bank has held on too long.

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Speaker 4: We'll know, I suppose in a month or two. We've

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Speaker 4: got inflation data out this week, and.

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Speaker 11: All the talk is that it's going to be a

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Speaker 11: very good number, which would lead possibly to an interest

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Speaker 11: rate cut early in the new year, which would feed

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Speaker 11: into Labour's narrative.

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Speaker 4: Who you know who loves your baby as we head

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Speaker 4: into an election?

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Speaker 11: Is it Old Southpus Peter Dutton or is it you know,

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Speaker 11: the beaming elbow?

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Speaker 4: So look who knows?

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Speaker 11: But there's no doubt in the past that Labor has

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Speaker 11: given handouts with energy help, with rental assistance and the like.

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Speaker 11: But what charmers the Jim charmers the treasure was saying,

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Speaker 11: do not expect it in the run up to the election.

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Speaker 2: Must tell me about this woman who faked her own

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Speaker 2: death to get the insurance money.

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Speaker 4: Very strange. We don't know a whole lot that this

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Speaker 4: happened in PERV. There's a woman.

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Speaker 11: She's forty three years old, and she had a gambling

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Speaker 11: problem apparently, and as such was the extent of the

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Speaker 11: problem that she's bizarrely has faked her own death and

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Speaker 11: then gone through all this elaborate paperwork to actually received

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Speaker 11: to claim and then receive seven hundred and eighteen thousand

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Speaker 11: dollars Australian more than a million dollars in New Zealand.

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Speaker 11: Now this happened in February. She claimed that she had

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Speaker 11: died in a car accident and broom in the Christmas

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Speaker 11: month of the preceding year. So she said she had died,

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Speaker 11: puts in the claim. The money's paid out very very quickly,

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Speaker 11: and she gets the Gregory peck in February. Well, it

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Speaker 11: didn't take long for them to put two and it

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Speaker 11: together and come up with five and this, you know,

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Speaker 11: as she was charged with them money by deception, plead

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Speaker 11: it guilty. She'd been sentenced today to more than three

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Speaker 11: years in prison. So she has a bit of time

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Speaker 11: to reflect and what she's done. You know, she looks

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Speaker 11: she faked her death curnificance, she faked funeral documents, She

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Speaker 11: even faked a letter from the coroner's caught to the

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Speaker 11: insurance company.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, she can't be filing a thing to

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Speaker 2: saying I'm dead, So who did it?

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Speaker 4: She might have been saying, you know, not Karen, but

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Speaker 4: maybe Kevin.

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Speaker 11: I just don't know the Maybe they're deliberately not telling

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Speaker 11: us here because everybody's going to be into it.

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Speaker 2: Oh jeez, I love how the lengths she went to Murray,

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Speaker 2: Thank you appreciates Murray Old Australian correspondent here. That cut

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Speaker 2: the mail delivery altogether. I've had one letter all year

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Speaker 2: and that was a rate spill, Ben, And why are

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Speaker 2: you getting your rate spill in the mail. Anyway, you

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Speaker 2: can opt to get your rate spill on the email,

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Speaker 2: so you don't even have to get an email. Honestly,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie to you. I don't want any

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Speaker 2: more mail. I don't need mail. I don't need mail.

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Speaker 2: What mail am I getting? The only mail I'm getting

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Speaker 2: a like these tickets when I get a ticket, or

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Speaker 2: like ugh, you know those dickheads who run you know,

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Speaker 2: Wilson Carr Park and those people who I hate, they

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Speaker 2: are the only people who write letters to me. I

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Speaker 2: would love it. Yeah, yeah, me sixty five dollars just

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Speaker 2: cut the mail. It would solve a whole bunch of

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Speaker 2: problems for us. And if you absolutely had to get mail,

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Speaker 2: like if you really really had to get mail, go

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Speaker 2: down to your postbox and pull it out of the

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Speaker 2: postbox at the central station or wherever. Do you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean? Like it should be an opt in,

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Speaker 2: not be a not not like it is like universal

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Speaker 2: at the moment. Anyway, we'll talk to the huddle about

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Speaker 2: it later on. I just can't see why I was

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Speaker 2: still doing the mail. Got to talk to you about

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Speaker 2: what's going on with Arthur Easton. Now, you remember the

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Speaker 2: story of Alan Hall who was jailed for like almost

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Speaker 2: twenty years and has now he was not the guy,

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Speaker 2: and it was clear he was not the guy who

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Speaker 2: killed Arthur Easton. The cops of now are now asking

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Speaker 2: for information on the murder of Arthur Easton, and they

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Speaker 2: are offering a one hundred thousand dollars award now that

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Speaker 2: Allan Hall has been found to not be the guy

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Speaker 2: who killed Arthur Easton. Arthur Easton was murdered in nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty five, so that's forty years ago. So this feels

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Speaker 2: like a long shot to me, doesn't it to you?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have a chat to the cop about it.

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Speaker 2: It'll be with us ten past five, Barri Sopers next quarter too.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics credit check your customers and get payments certainty.

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Speaker 2: Your political correspondent is with us.

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Speaker 8: Hey, Barry, Good afternoon, Heather.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of the building of these trusted

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Speaker 2: builders being able to certify themselves? Why are you laughing?

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Speaker 8: Well, because I knew you'd love the topic being a

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Speaker 8: builder yourself.

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Speaker 2: Having waited for building and SPI they kill.

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Speaker 8: You A yes, exactly, and I mean a lot of

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Speaker 8: people probably don't know. On average it takes almost five

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Speaker 8: hundred and seventy days to build a house in this country.

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Speaker 8: Ridiculous and that's basically waiting for consent. And the point

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Speaker 8: that Chris Pink, the Building Minister, makes is that, look,

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Speaker 8: there's a housing shortage at the moment. We've got to

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Speaker 8: get houses built. And you remember Labor went there with

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Speaker 8: its key we Built program and of course with these

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Speaker 8: consents being in place, it would have taken multiple years

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Speaker 8: to achieve the one hundred thousand houses. But so on

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Speaker 8: the face of it, it looks really good. You're going

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Speaker 8: to get houses built more quickly. Businesses with a proven

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Speaker 8: track record. According to Chris Pink, like those that build

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Speaker 8: hundreds of near identical homes each year, they'll be able

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Speaker 8: to go through a more streamline process, which is good.

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Speaker 8: And so builders and building professionals like plumbers, train layers,

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Speaker 8: they'll be able to certify their own work without the

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Speaker 8: need for an inspection. Now that got me thinking the

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Speaker 8: last time that we relax building standards in this country.

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Speaker 8: Clearly they have to be relaxed because you have to

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Speaker 8: wait far too long to get a consent. It's just

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Speaker 8: it's so cumbersome. But was back in nineteen ninety one

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Speaker 8: the Boulder government they brought in the Building Act and

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Speaker 8: that changed building control from a prescriptive system to a

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Speaker 8: more self regulated system. Now you know what happened there.

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Speaker 8: The builders went out modeled homes of Mediterranean style houses

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Speaker 8: in this climate that were totally unsuitable. And of course

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Speaker 8: we had so many homes that were built that were

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Speaker 8: leaky buildings, which was terrible and the cost has put

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Speaker 8: at twenty three billion dollars for eighty nine thousand buildings

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Speaker 8: during the period that these leaky homes were being able

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Speaker 8: to be built. Well, that was all changed by head

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Speaker 8: girl Helen Clark when she became the Prime minister. I

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Speaker 8: mean she wanted our showers to be regulated, but she

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Speaker 8: changed all that and it's moved back since then to

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Speaker 8: a much more prescriptive system that takes so long. So

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Speaker 8: I think any relaxation is a good thing. But the

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Speaker 8: devil is in the detail, I guess, and we'll have

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Speaker 8: to wait to see exactly how they're going to qualify

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Speaker 8: to build.

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Speaker 2: But what is good about this system is that instead

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Speaker 2: of when things go wrong, the council having to bear

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Speaker 2: the cost of that defective work because they were the

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Speaker 2: ones who inspected and certified and said it's okay, that

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Speaker 2: will now fall on these builders. Right, So if one

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Speaker 2: of them, one of these and they're big guys we're

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Speaker 2: talking about, it's not just like you know Barry Soaper's

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Speaker 2: construction company from down the road. It's like a god, yeah,

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Speaker 2: nobody will that have seen some of your handywork. But

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Speaker 2: I think you know it's these big, big guys. They

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Speaker 2: will have to pay up if they stuff up right, well,

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Speaker 2: insurance will pay it.

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Speaker 8: It would seem that there is a system and going

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Speaker 8: to be paid. I like that where they will be

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Speaker 8: held much more accountable. And if they're going to take

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Speaker 8: on their self certification, then they're going to be very careful,

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Speaker 8: I would imagine, to ensure that the building is right

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Speaker 8: and not leaky, like just said in the past.

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Speaker 2: Does Labor need to take the socials off Ginny?

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Speaker 8: Well, people that go on the Hosking show, the politicians

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Speaker 8: that they jinxed in some way because we had student

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Speaker 8: ash and you know look where he ended up. And

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Speaker 8: now we've got Ginny Anderson on the Wednesdays slot, and.

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Speaker 2: You would be upset about that.

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Speaker 8: Well, and I wouldn't compare a stude to Ginny Anderson,

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Speaker 8: but you know, you you remember in February this year

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Speaker 8: that she claimed that Mark Mitchell, the police minister and

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Speaker 8: she was the former former police minister, he was paid

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Speaker 8: to kill people and she asked him whether he kept

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Speaker 8: telling of how many people he had shot while it

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Speaker 8: was just it was so offensive, it was unbelievable. Somebody

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Speaker 8: would say that in public, Well she had to. Well,

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Speaker 8: she didn't really apologize. She said that she went too far,

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Speaker 8: and it would seem this is the same sort of thing.

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Speaker 8: I mean, you know you've got Andrew Bailey for the

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Speaker 8: National Party. Well, I think she's much worse than some

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Speaker 8: of the stuff that she's been doing. And we see

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Speaker 8: now she posted her reposted a meme on her Instagram account. Now,

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Speaker 8: I remember last week seeing this photo of Chris Luxon

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Speaker 8: standing alongside King Charles, and the only thing that I

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Speaker 8: thought was what a shabby suit the Kings turned out?

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Speaker 8: And then I sort of forgave him to some extent.

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Speaker 8: It was shabby, It was awful, It was badly fitted,

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Speaker 8: and I think I think maybe the poor man, because

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Speaker 8: he has been a terrible maybe, well you think the

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Speaker 8: tailors would come in and make him look a bit

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Speaker 8: smarter than what he did. Point that was, that was

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Speaker 8: the only point that I looked at the photo.

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Speaker 12: It's all.

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Speaker 8: But others saw it his crutch area looking like female genitalia,

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Speaker 8: and they put out a meme to that extent, which

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Speaker 8: I thought was patently absurd.

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Speaker 4: Did she do?

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Speaker 8: She went and reposted the meme, then went, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 8: I've got to take it down. It's causing people offense.

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Speaker 8: I mean, please, Jinny, get your act together.

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Speaker 2: Perry, thank you, Perris. Strong opinions strong opinions about this

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Speaker 2: khaki colored suit is a khaki safari colored suit. Barry Soper,

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Speaker 2: Senior political correspondent seven away from five, putting.

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Speaker 1: The tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 13: The time Minister is well to say, if Kiwibank was

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Speaker 13: floated tomorrow, it would become a bigger bank. There'd be

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Speaker 13: five big banks. How does that fix anything?

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Speaker 12: No?

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Speaker 14: I just I think you know the reality is we've

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Speaker 14: got four cozy banks and a very cozy relationship and.

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Speaker 13: Stop and quean. But here's an example, an open banking,

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Speaker 13: for example, as something that you have. You read the

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Speaker 13: documentation in Australia on open yeah, yeah, but it looks

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Speaker 13: no different. But the point is that's been left with

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Speaker 13: the banks to manage amongst themselves, that open banking piece.

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Speaker 13: You've not convinced me that we've got some sort of

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Speaker 13: robber Baron scenario in this country where everyone's getting ripped off.

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Speaker 13: I just don't see what floating selling doing anything to

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Speaker 13: Kiwi Bank profoundly changes the marketplace. Back tomorrow at six am,

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Speaker 13: the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Rain driver of the

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Speaker 13: Lahn News Talk z.

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Speaker 2: B Hither I need my daily Tory fix. Well here

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Speaker 2: it is. I've got a daily Tory fix for you.

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Speaker 2: But I've got daily Wellington City Council fixed for you.

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Speaker 2: So big old day there because it was the first

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Speaker 2: day that they were meeting after you know that we

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Speaker 2: had the grown ups called in on them. So they

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Speaker 2: got together and the meeting started at nine point thirty

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Speaker 2: and it lasted for twenty three minutes before they called

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Speaker 2: morning tea.

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Speaker 3: Right, so we.

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Speaker 15: Will now actually what we're going to do now, and

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Speaker 15: I just want to sort of seek your forbearans having

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Speaker 15: a meeting on a Tuesday after a long weekend that

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Speaker 15: for the next item. I understand that some an amendate

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Speaker 15: subsent of is being finalized now, so we will go

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Speaker 15: to morning tea now, so we will aim to be

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Speaker 15: back at ten o'clock.

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Speaker 2: Rebecca Matthews and I know you're wondering both bakes like that.

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Speaker 2: I can't even get Rebecca Matthews.

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Speaker 3: She is.

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Speaker 2: She very tight with Tory, very tight with toy. If

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Speaker 2: you remember Tory's press conference, she had a dude and

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Speaker 2: a lady standing to a dude on one side and

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Speaker 2: a lady on one side. On one side was John Penowitz,

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Speaker 2: who actually interesting never mind, but on the other side

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Speaker 2: was one and the same Rebecca, I need my morning

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Speaker 2: t Matthews anyway, straight after the news Chris Pink on

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Speaker 2: the building rules, the new ones coming at us, and

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Speaker 2: then we're going to talk to the cops about whether

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Speaker 2: they're actually going to get any new information. Thirty nine

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Speaker 2: years after a murder, News talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Pressing the newsmakers to get the real story.

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Speaker 1: It's hither duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

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Speaker 1: get connected.

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Speaker 3: News talks B.

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Speaker 2: Afternoon. The government is continuing it's crusade to speed up

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Speaker 2: building in this country, now announcing that it plans to

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Speaker 2: let some builders only trusted builders sign off on their

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Speaker 2: own building work, rather than forcing them to wait for

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Speaker 2: a council inspection. Chris Pink is the Minister for Building

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Speaker 2: and Construction at Chris how do builders become trusted?

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Speaker 16: Well, there's a number of different criteria you can use,

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Speaker 16: and we're interested in scale. We're interested in reputational skin

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Speaker 16: in the game, and we're so interested in being able

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Speaker 16: to do that in a way that represents skills in

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Speaker 16: frankly attract record.

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Speaker 2: So how many do you imagine would be trusted, would

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Speaker 2: be big enough to be trusted.

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Speaker 16: Well, we haven't put a list together because we're interested

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Speaker 16: in the criteria that people will feel comfortable with. But

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Speaker 16: you can imagine sort of ten to fifteen maybe the

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Speaker 16: really big players as a starting position. You know, these

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Speaker 16: are ones that have got enough financial strength that if

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Speaker 16: something were to go wrong, they can be responsible for

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Speaker 16: the outcome on that. We're not talking about your one

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Speaker 16: man band, your one person band, excuse me, and aute

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Speaker 16: to you. You're not going to see again when they

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Speaker 16: change the sign writing or the name of their company.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. So basically, this is the good

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Speaker 2: thing about it is it takes the carrying the weight

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Speaker 2: of the risk if something goes wrong at the moment,

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Speaker 2: the council pays. But we're taking that away from the

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Speaker 2: council with these guys, and we're making the builders themselves

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Speaker 2: carry the risk, right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 16: We think it's an exercise and risk based consenting effectively

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Speaker 16: where the people doing the worker are the ones who

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Speaker 16: should be accountable. And actually, and if you think about

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Speaker 16: the poral ratepayer at the end of the chain at

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Speaker 16: the moment when things go wrong, we think, actually it

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Speaker 16: makes more sense to put the incentive with the building

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Speaker 16: professional or the whole company to do the work and

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Speaker 16: to be responsible for it and their destinies in their

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Speaker 16: own hands, and ultimately that'll be better for the consumer.

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Speaker 4: Of course, who's going to.

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Speaker 16: Pay for a product that doesn't have all the inefficiencies

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Speaker 16: associated with that risk averse system we've got out.

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Speaker 2: So obviously the problem will be paid for by the

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Speaker 2: insurance company. But what happens if the building company, the

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Speaker 2: trusted building company, is under such a massive weight of

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Speaker 2: complaints it folds. Does insurance still pay?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: Well, I mean that would be a matter for between

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Speaker 16: the insurance company and the builder.

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Speaker 4: But having said that, we'll be.

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Speaker 16: Really interested to see that there's something robust in that way,

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Speaker 16: and also that there's financial strength associated with the building company.

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Speaker 16: And look, the other way you can do this other

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Speaker 16: than insurance is some sort of assurance more generally, and

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Speaker 16: so guarantees and bonds already exist in the market if

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Speaker 16: you think about registered master builders and certified builders. So

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Speaker 16: some of those market based solutions are actually going to

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Speaker 16: get the incentives right in a way that we don't currently.

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Speaker 2: All Right, you're confident we're not going to have a

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Speaker 2: repeat of the old leaky buildings scandal.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, a lot, really confident, because the point is that

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Speaker 16: you actually avoid that whole false sense of security we've

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Speaker 16: got at the moment where she'll be right because council

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Speaker 16: will sign it off and it dootally at least it's

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Speaker 16: the case. Sometimes people do some pretty poor work get

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Speaker 16: away with it and we don't crack down on those

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Speaker 16: cowboys at the moment, by the way, because I think, well,

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Speaker 16: the council will sign off if it's all good, and

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Speaker 16: if not then they'll just you know, we'll book another

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Speaker 16: inspection and do it again later. So actually we're going

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Speaker 16: to make people responsible, which is what they want to do,

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Speaker 16: because the good ones will survive and the bad ones

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Speaker 16: will be you know, hounded out of the world where

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Speaker 16: they currently inhabit.

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Speaker 2: Chris, thanks very much, really appreciate it. Chris Pink, Minister

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Speaker 2: for Building and Construction heller Do for Cee. Allen Police

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Speaker 2: are offering one hundred thousand dollars award to anyone with

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Speaker 2: information that can help solve the nineteen eighty five murder

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Speaker 2: of Arthur Eastern and Papacutta and Auckland. The Eastern murder

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Speaker 2: investigation is open again because the man who was jailed

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Speaker 2: for nineteen years for his murder, Alan Hall, has proven

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Speaker 2: that he was actually wrongfully convicted. Police Detective Inspector Warwick

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Speaker 2: Atkin is in charge. A Warwick Heather Worick. This was

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Speaker 2: forty years ago. I mean this is a long shot,

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Speaker 2: isn't it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, we're hoping that the reward announcement today is

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Speaker 14: a significant amount of money and we hope that that

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Speaker 14: will be the incentive for people who do have information

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Speaker 14: in the community to come forward and help us solve

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Speaker 14: this matter so we can provide the Eastern family some answers.

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Speaker 2: So, are you basically looking for an arc? Is that

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Speaker 2: what it is?

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Speaker 14: We're looking for anyone with credible information to come forward

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Speaker 14: and if that information leads to the arrest and successful

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Speaker 14: conviction of the person responsible for Arthur, then they may

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Speaker 14: be eligible for the reward.

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Speaker 2: Is this I mean, are you doing this because you

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Speaker 2: seriously think that this actually can result in a prosecution

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Speaker 2: in somebody coming forward or is it more likely just

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Speaker 2: something you've got to do. Now you've accepted that the

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Speaker 2: wrong guy went behind bars, got to try and the

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Speaker 2: right guy. So you do this, go through the motion,

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Speaker 2: nothing happens, close the case.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, a reward announcement can happen at any stage

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Speaker 14: during an investigation. As investigators, we have a responsibility to

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Speaker 14: look at all options we're solving crime. And today's announcement,

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Speaker 14: I hope we'll provide the financial incentive to those people

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Speaker 14: who have not shared any information to date to come

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Speaker 14: forward and inspect us.

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Speaker 2: Do you have I mean you say that you're speaking

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Speaker 2: to people who you spoke to back in the eighties.

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Speaker 2: Have you got a long list of people who you

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Speaker 2: had on the suspect list or their associates list or

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Speaker 2: you know, is it a big group of people you're

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Speaker 2: going back to.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Look, we're doing a full review of the file

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Speaker 14: and we're speaking to a number of people, not only

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Speaker 14: persons of interest, but also witnesses.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: And how many bayonets? By the way, the interesting thing

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Speaker 2: about it is that whoever went in went in with

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Speaker 2: a bayonet. How many bayonets you reckon? They were in

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Speaker 2: the country in the eighties.

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Speaker 14: The bay and eddin question here we still have in

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Speaker 14: our position, and that is a Swedish ninety six bany

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Speaker 14: which was used by the Swedish Army. It's an eighteen

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Speaker 14: ninety six model. Several hundred of those were imported into

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Speaker 14: New Zealand. Is superlus stock and generally sold in hunting

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Speaker 14: and outdoor stores. And I'm hoping with the images that

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Speaker 14: we've provided to the media today of the woolen hat

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Speaker 14: and the bayonet will prompt people's memory and they can

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Speaker 14: come forward and tell us what they know.

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Speaker 2: Wawick, thanks very much, Warwick Adkin. New Zealand Police Detective

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Speaker 2: Inspector Heather do for see Ellen here that the problem

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Speaker 2: with the King's suit is it's probably Lynnen Hither the

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Speaker 2: King's suit was affected by the wind. Am I the

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Speaker 2: only one who thinks this up? No, No, you're not.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong. By the way, there is nothing wrong.

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Speaker 2: Barry Soaper is nuts. Nothing wrong with the cut of

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Speaker 2: that suit. It's a stock standard nineteen thirty suit. It's

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Speaker 2: the cut. Has you know what King wats's face? Who

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Speaker 2: decided to abdicate because he wanted to run off with

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Speaker 2: the American Wallace? What's his name, Edward David? I don't

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Speaker 2: know anyway, that one. It's basically the same. Probably he's

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Speaker 2: probably just whipped it out. Probably my great uncle suit.

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Speaker 2: It's probably the same suit. It basically looks like stock

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Speaker 2: standard Kingley, Where do you know what I mean? Anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to the huddle about Ginny and that little

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Speaker 2: whips when they're with us shortly, Jeff Bezos, we need

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Speaker 2: to talk about him quickly. You will have seen that

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Speaker 2: there's a big brew haha about the Washington Post right

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Speaker 2: because they pend to column endorsing Karmala Harris and Jeff

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Speaker 2: Bezos got involved and basically killed the thing. Now he

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Speaker 2: has written his own column explaining it's been a huge

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Speaker 2: kerfuffle for the paper. They've lost apparently two hundred thousand

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Speaker 2: subscribers who have now canceled their accounts, and basically in protest.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, who owns it, has now written his own

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Speaker 2: column explaining why he did it. He says, basically because

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Speaker 2: trust of the media is falling. He says, presidential endorsements

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Speaker 2: do nothing to tip the scales of an election. No,

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Speaker 2: undecided voters in Pennsylvania are going to say, I'm going

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Speaker 2: with newspaper a's endorsement. None. What presidential endorsements actually do

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Speaker 2: is create a perception of bias, a perception of non independence.

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Speaker 2: Ending them is a principal decision, and it's the right one. Now,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he makes a fair point, but do you

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Speaker 2: think that it take away the endorsement. Is the Washington

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Speaker 2: Post gonna look any less like it loves Carmela and

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Speaker 2: hates Trump? Probably not. The bias perception stays, doesn't it?

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Speaker 3: Heather dup c Allen.

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Speaker 2: Whether I work in commercial insurance, building defects are a

896
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Speaker 2: general exclusion. Insurance is not a warranty or a guarantee

897
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Speaker 2: of work. I'm getting quite a few texts poking holes

898
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Speaker 2: in this idea. We're going to get to it. Nineteen

899
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Speaker 2: past five. Now it is a week, as I said

900
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Speaker 2: at the start of the show to the US election,

901
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Speaker 2: and it is ramping up over there. Trump's just spoken

902
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Speaker 2: at a rally in Georgia.

903
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Speaker 17: Between we will have four more years of ins then,

904
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Speaker 17: or whether or not we will begin with the greatest years.

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Speaker 4: The history of prick, you know, is nasty to me.

906
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Speaker 2: Michelle Obama, Jack's aim, host of Q and a host

907
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Speaker 2: of a newstalk z'd be Saturday Mornings is over in

908
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Speaker 2: the States. Was actually at the rally, Hey, Jack, Hey?

909
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Speaker 2: On a scale of one to ten, how much did

910
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Speaker 2: you love being there?

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00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 4: Oh?

912
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Speaker 12: I'm fifteen?

913
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Speaker 18: Like, I just absolutely froth on US politics, always have.

914
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Speaker 18: This is my fourth US election that I covered.

915
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Speaker 12: So yeah, real joy to be there. I mean it's funny.

916
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Speaker 18: I was interested today to compare Trump's rally today in Atlanta,

917
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,280
Speaker 18: where sitting in the bleachers there with the first Trump

918
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 18: rallies that I went to in Texas like nine years ago,

919
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 18: and honestly, not a whole lot has changed.

920
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Speaker 19: It's quite funny.

921
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Speaker 18: Like the crowd who turns up, a lot of them

922
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Speaker 18: have been to heaps of Trump rallies before. I saw

923
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Speaker 18: one guy who said to me was his ninth Trump rally,

924
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Speaker 18: And a lot of the like scripting points get repeated

925
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Speaker 18: day after day after day, and the crowd's actually hanging

926
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Speaker 18: out to hear them. So, for example, when Trump's his Kamela,

927
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Speaker 18: the whole audience yells You're fired. The whole thing follows

928
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Speaker 18: a pretty neat script, even when even when you know

929
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Speaker 18: Trump goes off on his little you know, on his

930
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Speaker 18: little off pieced from time to time. But yeah, you know,

931
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Speaker 18: I think my sense is that he is that he

932
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Speaker 18: has a little bit of momentum coming off the Medicine

933
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Speaker 18: Square gardens rarely yesterday, and yeah, is obviously going to

934
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Speaker 18: look to continue that over the next week.

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Speaker 2: I remember being over there in twenty sixteen and it

936
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Speaker 2: was like a few it was quite a few months

937
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Speaker 2: before the election campaign, and I came back and I said,

938
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Speaker 2: to the guy's back here, Trump's going to win and

939
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Speaker 2: nobody would believe it. But on the ground, it's a

940
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Speaker 2: different feeling to what people can see. You know, if

941
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Speaker 2: you're sitting in a foreign land, So what's your feeling

942
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Speaker 2: on the ground. Is he going to win it?

943
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Speaker 4: Well?

944
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Speaker 18: Okay, My thing is that it's always very hard to

945
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Speaker 18: get it a nationwide perspective in the US. So I

946
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Speaker 18: was in Arizona yesterday and the vibe in Arizona is

947
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Speaker 18: very different to where I am in Atlanta today, and

948
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Speaker 18: I would suggest it's going to be very different to

949
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Speaker 18: where I am in Pennsylvania in two days time. That

950
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Speaker 18: being said, I reckon, over the last couple of weeks

951
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Speaker 18: there has been a subtle momentum shift, nothing like the

952
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Speaker 18: momentum shift we saw earlier on when Trump had survived

953
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Speaker 18: that attemtive assassination and then when Joe Biden pulled out Carmala,

954
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Speaker 18: Harris Scott dropped into the candidate spot and had that

955
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Speaker 18: massive surge. Nothing like that, But I reckon, there has

956
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Speaker 18: been a noticeable little shift in momentum. And you know,

957
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Speaker 18: obviously Harris is going to try and turn that around

958
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Speaker 18: in the next couple of days. But if momentum tells

959
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Speaker 18: us anything about turnout at the polls, it would suggest

960
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Speaker 18: I think that at the very least, the Trump campaign

961
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Speaker 18: are feeling quite pleased with where they're at.

962
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Speaker 2: Okay, Jack, thanks very much, Jack, tayme Q and a

963
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Speaker 2: host host of newstalgsz'd b Saturday Mornings. Heather, I'm all

964
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Speaker 2: for speeding up the process with the building consens et cetera.

965
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Speaker 2: Where I was. However, when was the last time you

966
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Speaker 2: heard about a builder in a van going bankrupt? The

967
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Speaker 2: companies who built subdivisions closed the company down once they've

968
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Speaker 2: built the last house. The only way to hold people

969
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Speaker 2: accountable is by holding the directors accountable for all of

970
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Speaker 2: the rework. Very good point, Darren, five point twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Digging deeper into the day's headlines, it's Heather Duper Clan

972
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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand Let's.

973
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Speaker 3: Get connected and Newstalg z'b oh.

974
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Speaker 2: There's quite the fight going on about the motor camp

975
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Speaker 2: vans and all the like the holiday people in Rotrue,

976
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Speaker 2: we'll talk about that very shortly. Nikola Willis is with

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Speaker 2: us after six By the way, because remember I was

978
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: telling y'all loved her speech about the public servants. We

979
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Speaker 2: have chat to her about that when she's with us

980
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 2: now five point twenty five. I think we got a

981
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Speaker 2: question answered last week that many of us have been

982
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Speaker 2: asking for a while, and I think it's worth us

983
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: talking about this really quickly. The question is why is

984
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Speaker 2: it that so many babies are still being killed in

985
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Speaker 2: this country by the very people who are supposed to

986
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Speaker 2: help them. Why is this still happening. The answer came

987
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Speaker 2: from the ombudsman, Peter Bosher, and although we did talk

988
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Speaker 2: about it last week, I do think it is worth

989
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 2: just laying this out really simply so we understand this right.

990
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Speaker 2: The reason that the babies are still being killed in

991
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Speaker 2: this country at the numbers in the numbers that they

992
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 2: are by the people who are supposed to love them

993
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: is in part because ordering it. Timriiki, formerly known as siffs,

994
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: is crap at its job, and OT is crap at

995
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Speaker 2: its job simply because it is not doing its job.

996
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 2: It is getting warnings, it's just not doing it. So

997
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 2: Peter Bosher warned us about one case that caught his

998
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: attention last week. It's the case of four kids who

999
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 2: being abused by the mum's partner. Seven different groups of

1000
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: people warned O T that there was abuse going on,

1001
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 2: including sending in photographic evidence. OT did not keep those

1002
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Speaker 2: kids safe. Despite all of those warnings. They put some

1003
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Speaker 2: sort of like a safety plan in place or something

1004
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 2: like that. It was breached twice while the ombudsman was

1005
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: still looking at the case and asking questions. They are

1006
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 2: now living with their father. Seven different people warned O

1007
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Speaker 2: T nine different times, and in the end, OT basically

1008
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: stood by while a kidnapping occurred. Now, how many times

1009
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Speaker 2: lately have we heard about babies or kids being killed?

1010
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: And then we find out, oh, O T already knew

1011
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: that family the boy an Tikuwiti, remember that boy where

1012
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 2: the dad has been charged. O T had already been

1013
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 2: involved with that family once before, because the baby had

1014
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: already been badly hurt once before. The two kids in

1015
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: Stokes Valley and Wellington who were taken to hospital with

1016
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: severe injuries, like really awful injuries in March, OT were

1017
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Speaker 2: already aware of that family. They won't tell us for

1018
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: how long, of course, they weren't. Malachi Shubash, which is

1019
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 2: a case that has shocked this country. The family warned Ot.

1020
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: They even sent photographs to Ot. The caregiver killed him. Anyway,

1021
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 2: The thing is, there seemed to be no consequences for

1022
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: Ot in this They stuff up time and time and

1023
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,520
Speaker 2: time again. Nothing is done because I don't know what

1024
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 2: can be done. What can be done, I don't know,

1025
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: But at least I suppose if we've got something out

1026
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 2: of this, we've got an answer to the question why

1027
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 2: are kids still being killed in this country by people

1028
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,920
Speaker 2: who are supposed to look after them? And the answer

1029
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 2: is because some of the people paid to look after

1030
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: the people who are paid to look at who are

1031
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 2: looking after the kids OT are just not doing their jobs,

1032
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 2: are they?

1033
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: I'd ever do? For see Ellen.

1034
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to be mean to met service, but

1035
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: what was up with that weather forecast last week? I mean,

1036
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: because remember they told us they were like m long weekend,

1037
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 2: wet and windy, cold, freezing.

1038
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 20: Was it that bad?

1039
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe it was bad in other parts

1040
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: of the country, but I went away. I was like, Oh,

1041
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 2: shall we go to the beach. Let's do it. We

1042
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 2: did it anyway, Sunday Stunner. It was like the start

1043
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: of summer. I actually forgot I had to go back

1044
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,319
Speaker 2: to work. It's been a shock to me physically to

1045
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 2: come back anyway better on the forecasts, Please yay for summer.

1046
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:11,360
Speaker 1: The day's newsmakers talk to Heather First, Heather Duplicy, Alan

1047
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 1: drive with One New Zealand Let's get connected and news

1048
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: talk z B.

1049
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: Heather disband ot. You can't dispand ot because if you

1050
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,359
Speaker 2: dispand ot, who's going to look after the kids? That's

1051
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 2: the job of OTC. You still needs somebody to be

1052
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,799
Speaker 2: looking after the delinquent parents who bash their children to death?

1053
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? So you got OT,

1054
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: But if you dispand OT, you're just gonna have to

1055
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 2: set up something else. And is there something else going

1056
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: to be as craps ot? Probably? I don't know what

1057
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 2: you I don't know what you do. I don't know

1058
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 2: what you do. Listen, Nichola Willis is gonna be us

1059
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: after six o'clock, Finance Minister obviously right now, twenty four

1060
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,720
Speaker 2: away from six now. There is a debate about freedom

1061
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 2: camp camping and the manager of a holiday park has

1062
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 2: asked the councilor they're to crack down on freedom camping

1063
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 2: because apparently the campers are breaking the rules and how

1064
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 2: long they can stay in one spot. And they also

1065
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 2: don't support the support the local economy much. Bruce la

1066
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 2: who is the CEO of the Motor Caravan Association and

1067
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: with us.

1068
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 3: Hey, Bruce, Hi, is that true?

1069
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 7: Well?

1070
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 4: Thank you?

1071
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: Is it true that they're breaking the no more than

1072
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: two nights rule and they're not really spending that much

1073
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: money in town?

1074
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 19: Well two parts of that. I don't know how long

1075
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 19: they're staying, whether they're breaking the two night rule at all,

1076
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 19: but they will be spending money in town. So there's

1077
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,479
Speaker 19: no question there's two different things going on there.

1078
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: How do you know they're spending money in town, because

1079
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 2: if they rock up with all the stuff that they need,

1080
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 2: maybe they're not.

1081
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,440
Speaker 19: Well. Indy did the research themselves on us back in

1082
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Speaker 19: two twenty. So we've always known because we've always researched

1083
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 19: our own members about what they spend per night while

1084
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 19: they're away, and it's normally around about ninety dollars for

1085
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 19: our members for two in event per night if they're

1086
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 19: freedom camping, if they're out and about. So Indy did

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Speaker 19: their own research on this back in two twenty. They

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Speaker 19: used Fresh Info, a research company, and they came up

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Speaker 19: with a whole list of spending across four different categories,

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Speaker 19: domestic that's US and then international, those who purchased a vehicle,

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Speaker 19: those who hired a budget vehicle, and those that hired

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Speaker 19: an expensive vehicle, And they came up with daily figures

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Speaker 19: for that, which indicates that they do spend and also

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Speaker 19: goes alongside that how long they spend in the country,

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Speaker 19: which are along with those different categories, so they show

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Speaker 19: substantially that they do contribute to that local economy when

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Speaker 19: they come up.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is just a case of a

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Speaker 2: holiday park trying to protect its patch and look after

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Speaker 2: its own business.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 19: I mean we come across this time after time, and

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Speaker 19: that's all it is. But you know, she shouldn't be

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Speaker 19: too upset about it, because with the figures that came

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Speaker 19: out of NB even if they say someone's purchase one

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Speaker 19: of those little vehicles that we're talking about, which of

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Speaker 19: course are going to be out under the new legislation anyway.

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Speaker 19: But they stayed in the average at two hundred and

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Speaker 19: eleven nights in the country, and half of that was

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Speaker 19: freedom camping and half of that was stayed and paid accommodation.

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Speaker 19: So in the campground because they'll go with the do

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Speaker 19: their washing and have a shower and all of that

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Speaker 19: sort of stuff. So they get half of that market anyway,

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Speaker 19: and that's not too dissimilar for the budget and the

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Speaker 19: premium hires short shortest days forty eight days and thirty

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Speaker 19: two nights, but split between commercial campgrounds and freedom camping,

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Speaker 19: so they get a crack out of anyway.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for running as through. Really appreciated. Bruce la

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Speaker 2: Haill Mote Caravan Association CEO.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southerby's international realty, local and

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Speaker 1: global exposure.

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Speaker 3: Like no other.

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Speaker 2: Whether have you got an update on the gang funeral?

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Speaker 2: Actually got an interesting thing to tell you about the

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Speaker 2: gang funeral. It didn't realize, but my mate, here's this

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Speaker 2: guy who my mate Fats has died, and I'll tell

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Speaker 2: you about that. He's the guy the tongue he is

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Speaker 2: for with us. Right now on the Huddle, we've got

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Speaker 2: Tris Shurson Shirson Willis pr and Joe Spagani Child fun CEO.

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Speaker 2: Hello you two. Hello, Hello Josie. What's your vibe on

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00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 2: the US election? We had Jack on before this is Jack? Tame?

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Speaker 2: I asked him, Who's going to win?

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Speaker 4: Jess.

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Speaker 2: It was like pulling teeth. He didn't want to say

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Speaker 2: Trump's going to win, but he kind of got there

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Speaker 2: in the end.

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Speaker 21: What do you think, Well, if you listen to someone

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Speaker 21: like Nate Silver, who's one of the most famous, well known,

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Speaker 21: respected polsters in America, he was asked exactly that question.

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Speaker 21: He gets asked all the time.

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Speaker 5: He said, it's fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 21: Anyone who says they know anything more than that is

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00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 21: probably lying or making it up. But if you're asking

1144
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Speaker 21: me what my what my gut instinct is, what the

1145
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 21: vibe is, I'd say Trump's going to win, so you know,

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Speaker 21: I I But the big thing about that, I do

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Speaker 21: think that Trump's got got an uptick in the in

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Speaker 21: the last week or so. But the thing I would

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Speaker 21: say against that is that whoever gets the turnout, whoever

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Speaker 21: turns out their vote, will win. It's so so close,

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Speaker 21: And you know, Elon Musk can offer people a million

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Speaker 21: dollars every day and so on, but he's got absolutely

1153
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 21: no experience of the boring, hard work of building a

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00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 21: campaign where literally I can tell you either I've done

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Speaker 21: it many times. On election day, you do about three

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Speaker 21: sweeps of a street. You get a few streets. Your

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00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 21: job is to get Missus Jones from number fifty six

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Speaker 21: on Main Street to the polling booth. You know exactly

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Speaker 21: who your voters are in that street.

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Speaker 2: You don't bother with the one so foreign interference there

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Speaker 2: were you oh the.

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Speaker 21: Very foreign Yeah, Ekeitahuna and tay Happy. No, not that far.

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Speaker 12: But this is Fourer elections.

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Speaker 21: I've worked on it, but you know that takes a lot.

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Speaker 21: You don't just build that in the last few weeks.

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Speaker 21: You build it over months and months and months with

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Speaker 21: volunteers who will do that work and whoever has that

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Speaker 21: machine or when, and the dams have that to their advantage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, what do you think, Trisha?

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Speaker 22: I think it is too close to call, and that's

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Speaker 22: why no one is willing to pick it. You know,

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Speaker 22: there's a lot of talk about whether and like last

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Speaker 22: time Trump won, whether the polls are in fact under

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Speaker 22: underpicking him because they're not getting out to the right

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Speaker 22: the right voters. In terms of Josie's point, you know,

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Speaker 22: Carmena hal Harris has got a huge on the ground team.

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Speaker 22: They have had an app for their their daughter door

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Speaker 22: canvases so they go into an area, they get off

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Speaker 22: a bus, They've got an app on their phones that

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Speaker 22: tells them exactly which door they need to knock on,

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Speaker 22: and they'll be going back on election day because they

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Speaker 22: are they are actually offering people rides to the polls.

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Speaker 22: What's been interesting in the past few days so is

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Speaker 22: to look at how the campaign has turned. So Trump

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Speaker 22: has been turning, as one commentator said, to vulgarity and

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Speaker 22: viral stunts. His languaging is getting more and more sort

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Speaker 22: of gross, and those on his on his team, and

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Speaker 22: on the other side, you have got Kamela Harris turning

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Speaker 22: out star power with the likes of Michelle Obama in

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Speaker 22: recent days, really going hard on women and reproductive rights.

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Speaker 22: And you've also had Republican Liz Cheney turning out for

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Speaker 22: Harris in the past week, which has been really interesting

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Speaker 22: because that message has been to Republicans who don't want

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Speaker 22: to they don't want to vote for Trump, but they

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Speaker 22: don't want to admit that they would vote for the Democrats.

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Speaker 22: So you know, there's just so much in play for

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Speaker 22: the election. It's fascinating.

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Speaker 21: What's really interesting is that I saw some research that

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Speaker 21: the attack ads that have gone out against Trump. You know,

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Speaker 21: he's a fascist, he's this, he's that. They're really ineffective

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Speaker 21: because his supporters already know that he's despicable and he's

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Speaker 21: not a nice guy. So they're rationalizing it like like

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Speaker 21: John Key has he's gone, look, I know he's not

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Speaker 21: a nice guy, but I like the tax cuts. So

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Speaker 21: the attack ads don't work. What but but it's not

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Speaker 21: the same for Kumalas. So if Trump's campaign does an

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Speaker 21: attack ad on Kamala that works really well, and they

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Speaker 21: go out and say, oh, she's failed, she's weak, she's

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Speaker 21: dangerously liberal, that works quite well. The ads that work

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Speaker 21: the best for Kamala are Buddy the working class guy

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Speaker 21: who's shown listening to Trump, going, you guys are rich

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Speaker 21: as hell. These are to you know, billionaires, I'm going

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Speaker 21: to give you a tax cut, and Buddy says, well,

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Speaker 21: I'm not rich as hell and I need a tax cut.

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Speaker 21: So anything that's targeting the working class on economy and

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Speaker 21: costs of living it works for the Democrats. But not

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Speaker 21: attacking Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a very good point actually that you've made. Right,

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Speaker 2: They're right, we'll take a break come back sixteen away

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Speaker 2: from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Sotheby's International Realty elevate the

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Speaker 1: marketing of your home Right on the huddle with.

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Speaker 2: Us Tresious and Josephganny, Trisha, do we need to take

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Speaker 2: the socials off Ginny.

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Speaker 22: Well as a starting point? I mean, anyone facing into

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Speaker 22: the wind for a photo is going to look like

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Speaker 22: a vacuum pact lamb chop, aren't they? I thought, I

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Speaker 22: thought that that was pretty pretty silly and unfair, And

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Speaker 22: in fact, when I saw it that there were two

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Speaker 22: things that stuck out to me. One is, I thought, gee,

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Speaker 22: poor old King Charles, he looks pretty old and thin

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Speaker 22: on it, and considering that he's been battling cancer this year,

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Speaker 22: that's no surprise. And Then the other thing that I

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Speaker 22: noticed in that photo lurking in the background of it, yep,

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Speaker 22: was a navel. Was a naval vessel. And I thought,

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Speaker 22: it's sort of a you know, it's sort of almost

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Speaker 22: you know, a ghostly image. Considering what happened to our

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Speaker 22: mana we nui over there.

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Speaker 2: What you're trying to say, Trish is you didn't even

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Speaker 2: look at his crotch, did you?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't.

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Speaker 2: I didn't No, I didn't think.

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Speaker 22: I did think that about I truly thought that though

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Speaker 22: about the suit when you're facing into the wind and

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Speaker 22: any any you know, as a woman, you'd never do

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Speaker 22: that with your best frock.

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Speaker 2: But also I do.

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Speaker 22: Think, you know, one of the things that people get

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Speaker 22: caught out on so often was social not actually posting themselves,

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Speaker 22: but liking a dumb tweet or a dumb post or

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Speaker 22: re sharing.

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Speaker 4: It without thinking. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I sort of feel like Josie, there should be, you know,

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Speaker 2: like everybody's got some rules. Right the minute that I

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Speaker 2: start drinking, I do not drive. I don't have an

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Speaker 2: argument because it'll just go badly. You know, you've got

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Speaker 2: to have I don't send messages to people because it's

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Speaker 2: a bad idea. And I feel like politicians should have

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Speaker 2: a rule. You can use the social but don't like

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Speaker 2: other people's stuff, no matter how hilarious it is.

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Speaker 21: Yeah, and nothing good happens after midnight. So if you're

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Speaker 21: on Twitter X whatever it's called now and doing tweeting

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Speaker 21: and retweeting and liking, you're being a bit daft. But

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Speaker 21: the interesting thing is Jinny Anderson's offense here is pretty

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Speaker 21: similar grade to that of Andrew Bailey.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it.

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Speaker 21: And yet you know, where are the calls for her resignation.

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Speaker 20: There aren't there.

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Speaker 21: I do think the the thing that gets me about

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Speaker 21: Jenny is no, well, I think it's the same level

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Speaker 21: of nothingness. Really, I mean I don't. I think she's

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Speaker 21: daft to have done that and she shouldn't have done it,

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Speaker 21: But I don't think it's you know, it's a big issue.

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Speaker 21: I think the bigger issue for me about Jenny is

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Speaker 21: when she was police Minister. And I think it's not

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Speaker 21: just the you know, ill advised comments on Mark Mitchell

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Speaker 21: as police minister that he'd killed people and so on.

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Speaker 21: It's not so much this and not even this silly tweet.

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Speaker 21: It's more do you remember back in the ram raids

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Speaker 21: last year? And I remember she was police Minister and

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Speaker 21: she came out and said no, no, actually the statistics

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Speaker 21: show that ramraids are continuing to trend downwards and we're

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Speaker 21: all feeling safer. And it was such a jarring note

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Speaker 21: from a police minister when everyone was going this is

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Speaker 21: awful and Darianors were having a problem. So I think

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Speaker 21: she's got bigger problems, and I think Labour has bigger

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01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 21: problems with her.

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Speaker 2: Than simply her daft, you know, reach gre It's weird

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Speaker 2: that they haven't realized after about seven years of her

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Speaker 2: saying stupid stuff out loud, that she's a liable. But

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Speaker 2: maybe they'll get there in the end. Now, Trish, what

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Speaker 2: are we going to do about the mail situation? I'm

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01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: very happy for New Zealand Posts to literally never deliver

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Speaker 2: another piece of mail to my letter box and just

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Speaker 2: shut the thing down. What about you?

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Speaker 20: I am absolutely with you.

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Speaker 22: I mean, I can't think of the last time I

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Speaker 22: got anything in the mail that I actually wanted. Main

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Speaker 22: things around here is still are real estate flyers. You

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01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 22: still get the odds, you know, circular from chemists particularly,

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01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 22: you get a lot of those, and often it is

1303
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 22: it's tickets or something that you really don't want. Everything

1304
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,160
Speaker 22: else is online, and I think for New Zealand Post

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01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 22: it's one of those things where they probably need to

1306
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 22: make a pretty deep cut and get ahead of it

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01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 22: rather than you know, constantly what feels like cutting back

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01:01:50,200 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 22: on on service. And these days, you know, I was thinking,

1309
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 22: while in the back of the day you loved getting

1310
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 22: a letter, but these days, even with your older friends

1311
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 22: and relatives, you just jump on FaceTime with them.

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Speaker 4: Yea too.

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Speaker 21: And every time I see the mailbox full of stuff,

1314
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 21: my heart sinks because it's either a bill, a traffic fine,

1315
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:11,160
Speaker 21: a hospital test result, or direct marketing, none of which

1316
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 21: are welcome. I don't want any of it. But for

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01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 21: some reason, banks still send bank statements, but I know

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Speaker 21: you can select not.

1319
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't get that nut.

1320
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 21: Oh I'm still getting bank sex.

1321
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 12: But yeah.

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Speaker 21: The point is that is it obviously is fading out

1323
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Speaker 21: a bit like checks, right, But but you do have

1324
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Speaker 21: to phase it out over time because you do have

1325
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 21: people in sort of rural communities like I remember as

1326
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 21: an aide charity, we had people sending donations with checks

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01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 21: when the checks were being phased out. So you've got

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Speaker 21: to kind of you've got to move slowly with this stuff,

1329
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 21: I guess. But yeah, nothing good comes in the mailbox

1330
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 21: here days.

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Speaker 2: Too, right, nothing good at all. Thanks guys, appreciate it.

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01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 2: Trisius and Hurson, Willis pianre Jo Spacani Child Fund CEO.

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Speaker 2: I got a letter today in the mail to a

1334
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: vendor then deathless and daughter of a realistate agent, to

1335
01:02:56,080 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 2: a previous owner of the house, multiple owners ago, and

1336
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,160
Speaker 2: somebody had written it handwritten, like they put whatever I'm

1337
01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:06,040
Speaker 2: going to open it. I am going to open it

1338
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 2: because I'm fascinated. They stuffed whatever it is in there,

1339
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 2: and then they hand wrote Chris, Chris, Chris, come and

1340
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: get it. You know, I know you listen, Chris ble

1341
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 2: blah address. And then they then like having gone to

1342
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: the effort of writing that, they just bloody will put

1343
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Speaker 2: it in themselves.

1344
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 4: Didn't.

1345
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 2: They don't even have a stamp on it. Anyway. Up now,

1346
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:26,680
Speaker 2: whether I've said I've got it, I'm going to have

1347
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 2: to give it to Chris before before again before I

1348
01:03:29,040 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 2: open it. But anyway, the point is simply, even the

1349
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 2: one piece of mail that looked vaguely interesting is for

1350
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 2: Chris two owners ago. How much does that suck?

1351
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: Seven away from six on your smart speaker, on the

1352
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 1: iHeart app, and in your car on your drive home.

1353
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,439
Speaker 1: Heather duple c Allen drive with one New zealand one

1354
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: Giant Leap for Business News Talk as.

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Speaker 2: It be hither, it's illegal to open someone else's mail

1356
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 2: without consent. Okay, I said, I'm not going to open it.

1357
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 2: I said to Chris. You heard me just say to Chris,

1358
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,440
Speaker 2: come get the mail. So now, Chris knows I'm not

1359
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 2: going to open. I'm not gonna open, but I'm going

1360
01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,400
Speaker 2: to demand that he opens it in front of me

1361
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:04,480
Speaker 2: so I can see what's in there. I'm fascinated here

1362
01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: the car regio's and rucks still come in the mail.

1363
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 2: Just they can career it. They can simply chuck it

1364
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,920
Speaker 2: in a career bag. Hither the banks insist on sending

1365
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 2: credit cards by snail mail, No they don't. I had

1366
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,959
Speaker 2: mine sent by courier. Hither everything else isn't online. Rural

1367
01:04:18,080 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: dwellers need the letterbox? Do you not have the email?

1368
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: If you live rurally? Somebody send me a text to

1369
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 2: earl around like, we don't get any internet, mate, you

1370
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 2: need to get Did you know there's a lot of

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,480
Speaker 2: stuff going on the internet. If you're not getting the internet,

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01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 2: you probably need to get on the internet because this

1373
01:04:32,440 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: pawn on there. You know, there's other stuff like music

1374
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 2: and then there's pawn so that's probably good for you. Hither,

1375
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,160
Speaker 2: think about it. If they shut down New Zealand Post,

1376
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: we're going to end up with an environmental disaster. Imagine

1377
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 2: the amount of letterboxes that will end up in landfill.

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01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 2: Signed by Simon feels like a particularly Simon Wilson takes.

1379
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna imagine that that was Simon Wilson sending

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01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 2: us that text. Now that gang tonguey in Wellington, I

1381
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:56,439
Speaker 2: do not have an update for you on what's going

1382
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 2: on there, but so imagine my surprise when I'm reading

1383
01:05:00,040 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 2: the newspapers on another gang tongue el Paul Wellington. Oh

1384
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:07,240
Speaker 2: it's Fats. Fats Dog Notorious is dead. Fats Dog Notorious

1385
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 2: had my phone number. I had Fats as phone number

1386
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: well before he changed it. Most recently, Fats I feel

1387
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 2: like he changed his phone number a lot because you know,

1388
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 2: he was in the mungrel mob. So it's probably not

1389
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: helpful to have the same phone number for a while,

1390
01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,480
Speaker 2: if you get what I'm saying, because of the business

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01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,240
Speaker 2: that you're in. I met Fats back in twenty ten

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01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 2: or thereabouts. Do you remember Farmer Crescent in Portmare. It

1393
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 2: was the place where there were all these monkeys living

1394
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 2: and a house. It was full of housing. It was

1395
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:36,440
Speaker 2: just so awful. It was just one of those streets

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: you just did not want to live on. Full of

1397
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: house in New Zealand. Eventually the monkeys were causing all

1398
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 2: this trouble, so hows in New Zealand was trying to

1399
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: evict a bunch of women and it became a sob story. Anyway,

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01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: I was doing a bunch of those stories and I

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01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 2: went there to heaps of times. The women on that

1402
01:05:48,800 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 2: street were awful, like they were just really they were

1403
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 2: really aggressive and shouty, as often gang moles are. But

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01:05:55,040 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 2: Fats came to my rescue and he was like, oh, Hastels,

1405
01:05:57,360 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 2: come over here, and so he looked after me and

1406
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:03,120
Speaker 2: made sure that the girls didn't get me. It's weird,

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 2: I know, big fat guy, hence the name Fats drove

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:10,240
Speaker 2: a red car. Obviously. Anyway, I went back to have

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01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:11,920
Speaker 2: a look at the messages that he was sending me.

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01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,720
Speaker 2: Love to end his message with a kiss, which also

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01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:16,840
Speaker 2: is not not a gangy thing. Anyway. I'm not telling

1412
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: you that Fats was a good guy. He obviously wasn't.

1413
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 2: It was in the mungrel mob. But he could have

1414
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 2: a conversation outside of a gang, which says something. News

1415
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 2: talks edb.

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01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 3: What's what's down? What were the major calls? And how

1417
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: will it affect the economy of the big business.

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Speaker 1: Question is on The Business Hour with Heather the Duplicy

1419
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: Allen and my Hr on Newstalk's edb.

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 2: Even been coming up in the next hour. Brad Olsen

1421
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 2: on the latest job Numbers. Jamie Mackay, fresh from a

1422
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:48,720
Speaker 2: trip to the US, will give his take of what's

1423
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 2: happening on the ground. He's come back with a trump

1424
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: pat as well, don't hate him for it and ender

1425
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 2: Brady out of the UK seven Parsex and with us

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Speaker 2: right now, as Nicola Willius the Finance Minister, Nicola Aloe,

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Speaker 2: Hello here. You know much about this andnouncement on the

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01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 2: building from Chris Pink today.

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01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 20: He is your expert on that one. But look, this

1430
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:09,000
Speaker 20: is all part of our mission to make it simpler

1431
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 20: and quicker to get a building consent and to build

1432
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 20: a house.

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01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the reason I'm raising it with you is

1434
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 2: because we spoke to him about an hour ago. But

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01:07:15,560 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 2: since then I've been getting a lot of texts suggesting

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01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 2: that his plan's not going to work because basically it

1437
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:22,920
Speaker 2: puts the risk on the builders in their insurers. But

1438
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 2: insurers don't ensure for defective work. Do you know if

1439
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 2: that's the case.

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01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 20: Well, I know that he will have taken a lot

1441
01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,680
Speaker 20: of advice on this and he is intending to make

1442
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 20: it simpler, but lock feedback from those in the building

1443
01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,440
Speaker 20: industry is always relevant, and I'm sure that he'll keep

1444
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 20: working with those at the cul face.

1445
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Also, what happens if, for example, Duval is listed

1446
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: as one of these trust and builders that can check

1447
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 2: their own work right, but then they end up in

1448
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 2: the situation that Duval has there is defective work. Who pays?

1449
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:51,680
Speaker 12: Then?

1450
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: Does it not just come back on you and I

1451
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 2: the taxpayer?

1452
01:07:56,000 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 20: Well, how those liabilities for depends, of course, and in

1453
01:08:00,120 --> 01:08:03,040
Speaker 20: terms of the whole receivership situation and where the funds

1454
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:06,120
Speaker 20: sit and who's responsible at the various But so I'd

1455
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 20: hesitate to answer that example without having worked all of

1456
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 20: that through.

1457
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, fair enough, Okay, listen, Kiwibank, do you like this

1458
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:14,520
Speaker 2: listing idea? Well?

1459
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 20: As you know, I like the idea of Kiwi Bank

1460
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 20: getting bigger. To get bigger, it needs the capital for growth,

1461
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 20: and my viewers, that capital can come from more places

1462
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:27,599
Speaker 20: than just the government. I've been seeking advice from Treasury

1463
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 20: on what the best way is to raise that capital

1464
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 20: and I'll be taking some recommendations up to Cabinet in

1465
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 20: the next little while.

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Speaker 2: Why do we need another bank. If we've got four,

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01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:39,680
Speaker 2: I mean calls actually quite a lot right to be

1468
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:42,040
Speaker 2: competing against each other. If we've got four and we're

1469
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: not happy with what they're doing, why do we think

1470
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 2: of fifth one's going to change things?

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Speaker 20: Well, what the Comments commission have said is that before

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01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 20: we have are a functional oligopoly. So rather than competing

1473
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 20: for market share, which is when you get all of

1474
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 20: the good things of competition like better prices, more innovation,

1475
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 20: better services, they're feeling very cozy and relaxed about just

1476
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 20: hanging on to their current market share and competing around

1477
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,680
Speaker 20: the edges on on making as much profit as they

1478
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 20: can as individual banks. That's not a good situation for

1479
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:14,679
Speaker 20: New Zealand bank users. So what the Commerce Commissioner said is, look,

1480
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 20: you need someone else in that market to be disrupting.

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01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 20: There's a couple of ways that can happen. One through

1482
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:24,760
Speaker 20: a big disruptor such as kiwibank. Another way is through

1483
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 20: getting more other financial companies competing on different kinds of products.

1484
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 20: So we want to achieve both of those things. And

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01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 20: if you look over to Australia, they had a similar

1486
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 20: cozyologopoly situation happening Macquariebank played quite a disruptive role in

1487
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,759
Speaker 20: that market and the result better deal for everyday bank users.

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01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: But how do we know that New Zealand Post wont

1489
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: once it's kind of reached its maximum share market share

1490
01:09:50,800 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 2: won't just settle into a nice little oligopoly situation as well.

1491
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 20: Well, what you ultimately want is each of those entities

1492
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 20: to competing harder, and from my perspective, I don't just

1493
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,599
Speaker 20: want Kiwi Bank offering innovative products and services and good pricing.

1494
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 20: I want it to be nipping so hard at the

1495
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:13,519
Speaker 20: heels of the big banks that they are forced to

1496
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 20: do the same. And so I don't just see that

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01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 20: as sitting on the shoulders of Kiwi Bank. I also

1498
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 20: want to see some of these new FinTechs coming through

1499
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:24,400
Speaker 20: offering more disruptive products. I think there can be a

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01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:27,839
Speaker 20: bigger role in the future for non bank deposit takers

1501
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,560
Speaker 20: and non bank lenders, so the likes of the finance companies,

1502
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:34,680
Speaker 20: the building societies, that sort of thing. And what the

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01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 20: Comments Commission report helpfully said was, look, if you actually

1504
01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:40,800
Speaker 20: got the regulation in this area a bit better, a

1505
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 20: lot of which is done by the Reserve Bank. There's

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01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:46,760
Speaker 20: every reason to believe those entities will compete more So,

1507
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 20: this is a classic one either where that boring word

1508
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 20: regulation actually really matters. If we get the ground rules right,

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01:10:53,520 --> 01:10:54,840
Speaker 20: will get better competition.

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01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: Do you know yet who your Wellington Crown observer is

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01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: going to be?

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Speaker 20: No, And that is a decision for Simmy and Brown

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Speaker 20: and it's one that I'm leaving him too.

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Speaker 2: And do you know how long he's going to take

1515
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Speaker 2: making that decision.

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01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 20: No, But I do know there's a ten day period

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01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 20: between him having informed Wellington City countsful of his decision

1518
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:16,120
Speaker 20: and leaving them to give feedback on that. So we

1519
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:17,320
Speaker 20: still haven't run out that too.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:19,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to be able to

1522
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:21,559
Speaker 2: meet the ten day thing, because I don't know. If

1523
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 2: you saw they had a twenty three minute meeting and

1524
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,240
Speaker 2: then they broke for morning tea today.

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01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 20: Well I can tell you that kit kevinet doesn't take

1526
01:11:29,720 --> 01:11:30,280
Speaker 20: good approach.

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01:11:30,760 --> 01:11:33,240
Speaker 2: Well, thank god, because otherwise would sack the lot of you.

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01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 2: And fortunately we get that opportunity with them soon. Hey,

1529
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Speaker 2: have you been surprised by the reaction to the school lunches?

1530
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,760
Speaker 20: I have been, because to me, this is just a

1531
01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:46,640
Speaker 20: win win win. You get your school lunch program continuing

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01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 20: into the future. That by the way, Labor didn't put

1533
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 20: money aside to fund, but we found the money to

1534
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 20: fund it, and you get it done at a much

1535
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,640
Speaker 20: lower cost per pupil, so down from as much as

1536
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 20: nine dollars ahead to more like three dollars ahead, and

1537
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,560
Speaker 20: it's nutritionally good food. So I think this is a

1538
01:12:04,600 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 20: good solution and it's something that where the government should

1539
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 20: be proud of totally.

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Speaker 2: And people are weird about it. But here's the one

1541
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:12,040
Speaker 2: thing that I see as being a problem. Right, are

1542
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 2: you absolutely absolutely sure that you have done all of

1543
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 2: the things you need to do dotted the eyes and

1544
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,280
Speaker 2: cross the tea so that Compass group doesn't stuff you

1545
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 2: guys in the end with crap food.

1546
01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 20: Well, look, they're required to meet a series of guidelines,

1547
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 20: and the nutritional guidelines are the same as they were

1548
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 20: for the program previously, so there hasn't been a change here.

1549
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 20: And realistically they'll need to use a range of local

1550
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,680
Speaker 20: suppliers right getting good nutritious products from the end. So

1551
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 20: I think this is a situation where there's no guarantee

1552
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 20: that a contract continues forever. They need to perform in

1553
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 20: order to get that contract. But by being more efficient,

1554
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:50,519
Speaker 20: by getting a decent competition up, we're getting a better

1555
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:53,680
Speaker 20: price for everyone and that benefits the tax payer. And

1556
01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 20: actually David Semol has managed to get the program running

1557
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 20: in a way that it can be more sustainable for

1558
01:12:59,040 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 20: the future.

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01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:02,320
Speaker 2: I loved your speech where you told the public servants

1560
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:04,800
Speaker 2: to give you some bold ideas. Do you reckon that

1561
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 2: that is it going to happen? I mean, it's one

1562
01:13:06,560 --> 01:13:08,880
Speaker 2: thing to say to them, I'm here to hear your crazy,

1563
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 2: kooky ideas. It's quite another for them to have the

1564
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 2: courage to come to you with them.

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01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 20: Well, it needs two things. The first is it needs

1566
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 20: ministers who are prepared to listen. And I can tell

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01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 20: you honestly, we are talking to all of the New

1568
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 20: Zealanders who feel the same frustration that we do that

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01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,320
Speaker 20: New Zealand hasn't been growing as fast, it hasn't been

1570
01:13:28,320 --> 01:13:31,200
Speaker 20: delivering as good as services as they want to see.

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01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 20: And New Zealanders want bold ideas, so I think our

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01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 20: ministers are poised to listen. The second thing that it

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01:13:36,760 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 20: requires is that public agencies themselves put forward the disruptive ideas,

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01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 20: and that often means putting in lights the ideas from

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01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 20: the people who are second or third tier in the organization,

1576
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:52,120
Speaker 20: who are looking at problems differently from the way leaders

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01:13:52,120 --> 01:13:55,000
Speaker 20: in the past have done. And look between me and

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01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 20: the Prime Minister and other ministers, we've put a real

1579
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 20: emphasis on this. Bring forward the fresh thinking, bring for bard,

1580
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:04,960
Speaker 20: the young, disruptive people, the new people who have different perspectives,

1581
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 20: because if we do things the way we've always done them,

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01:14:08,720 --> 01:14:11,559
Speaker 20: we will get the same result and that is not

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01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:13,600
Speaker 20: good enough. We need to do much better too.

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01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,120
Speaker 2: Right now. On the performance pay, which is also something

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01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:18,800
Speaker 2: that you've spoken about in the past week, are you

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 2: going to this is the bosses. Are you going to

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01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: drop their base salary back in order to then add

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01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 2: performance pay on top or does the performance pay just

1589
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 2: get added to what they're already earning.

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01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:32,160
Speaker 20: It has to be additional because there are existing employment

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01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:36,880
Speaker 20: agreements that exist between the Public Service commission and chief executives.

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 20: So you can't after the fact renegotiate that and say

1593
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,520
Speaker 20: some of your pay is at risk. So the employment relationship,

1594
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 20: as you'll appreciate, is not between ministers and chief executives.

1595
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 20: It's between the Public Service Commissioner and chief executives. And

1596
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,640
Speaker 20: so what we've asked the Commissioner to do is to

1597
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:58,919
Speaker 20: design a performance pay scheme and so that will advised

1598
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 20: to sit on top of their current payer arrangements. But

1599
01:15:01,160 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 20: we want it to be very strict that they would

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01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 20: only get these bonuses if they deliver performance to New

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,439
Speaker 20: Zealanders above and beyond the status quo. And I have

1602
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:14,000
Speaker 20: been working with the Public Service Commission to say, let's

1603
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,000
Speaker 20: make this as transparent and accountable as possible, so New

1604
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 20: Zealanders can see for themselves what's required for a bonus

1605
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,840
Speaker 20: to be paid and whether or not it's been paid.

1606
01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:26,240
Speaker 2: Nichola, listen to you. Guys at the ministerial level have

1607
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 2: the ability to go to New Zealand posts and say,

1608
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: all right enough with the sort of like death by

1609
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: a thousand cuts nonsense. Just cut the mail back to

1610
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:34,880
Speaker 2: one delivery a week for everybody for the rest of

1611
01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:35,920
Speaker 2: time the end.

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 20: Well, I guess that would be just middling at a

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01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 20: degree of operational detail that we don't think is necessary,

1614
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 20: because instead what we say to them is, look, we

1615
01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:47,839
Speaker 20: want you performing well.

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01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:50,360
Speaker 2: As a commissioner, tell you how many million.

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01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 20: Yeah, so they haven't been performing well. So that's why

1618
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,760
Speaker 20: they've come to us and said, Okay, in order for

1619
01:15:56,800 --> 01:15:59,240
Speaker 20: that to happen, we're going to need to make some

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01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:03,360
Speaker 20: changes to business model, including reducing some of our delivery days,

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01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 20: and they've gone out for consultation on that. So they

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01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,160
Speaker 20: go out for consultation on that with our blessing, because

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01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:12,799
Speaker 20: we're realistic. You know, the male model has completely changed.

1624
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 20: In order for that business to be viable, to be

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01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 20: sustainable into the future, they're going to have to change

1626
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 20: the way they do some things.

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:19,000
Speaker 2: Do you get any mail that you love?

1628
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 20: No, I do. In my beehive office, I occasionally get

1629
01:16:26,600 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 20: a lovely little handwritten note and it tends to be

1630
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,640
Speaker 20: from someone either very young or quite elderly, and it

1631
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 20: can be very sweet.

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01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: I love it. Hey, Nichola, thanks very much appreciated. Nichola

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01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:40,960
Speaker 2: Willa's Finance Minister. Seventeen past six crunching the numbers and

1634
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: getting the results.

1635
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,280
Speaker 3: It's Heather dup c Ellen with the business.

1636
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: Hours thanks to my HR, the HR platform for SME

1637
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,360
Speaker 1: on news talksb hither.

1638
01:16:50,400 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 2: There are eighteen banks in New Zealand. New Zealand banks

1639
01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:54,720
Speaker 2: have the highest capital requirements in the world and that's

1640
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 2: why we have higher interest rates, even though Adrian calls

1641
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 2: black white on this issue. And do you know what

1642
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,639
Speaker 2: that strikes to the very heart, oh lord, that strikes

1643
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 2: that the banking issue is so is made so much

1644
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 2: worse by the Reserve Bank. Strikes at the very heart

1645
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 2: of the debate between the Reserve Bank and the Commerce Commission.

1646
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank is making them hold all of this money.

1647
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 2: The Commers Commission's going, that's not really helping competition, guys,

1648
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 2: and the Reserve Bank will not budge on it. And

1649
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:19,479
Speaker 2: we'll see who wins that thing in the end. By

1650
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:23,480
Speaker 2: the way, got to if you're planning on going to Metallica,

1651
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:25,280
Speaker 2: you're going to need to own a bank. By the

1652
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:27,160
Speaker 2: looks of things. We'll give you those numbers short least

1653
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 2: coming up twenty one past six And with us now

1654
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:32,840
Speaker 2: is Brad Olson in the Metric's principal economist. Heye, Brad good, evening, Well,

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01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,559
Speaker 2: so the job market's tough, isn't it it is?

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01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 23: And we've continued to get further numbers that suggest how

1657
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 23: tough it is, the latest figures for September showing there

1658
01:17:41,439 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 23: are twenty nearly twenty one thousand fewer jobs in the

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01:17:44,840 --> 01:17:48,200
Speaker 23: New Zealand economy in September twenty twenty four compared to

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01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 23: a year ago. You know, that's a pretty tough hit.

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01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:54,080
Speaker 23: And also most about half of those job losses coming

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01:17:54,160 --> 01:17:58,320
Speaker 23: through in Auckland, with around ten five hundred odd jobs

1663
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,800
Speaker 23: fewer in the larger city than a year before. Those

1664
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,839
Speaker 23: hits very much coming through. We've seen now no jobs

1665
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 23: growth at all since about March this year, and in

1666
01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 23: fact we've either seen declines or things remaining flat, so

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01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 23: really continuing to add the pressure there when households are

1668
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 23: of course trying to find jobs to pay for life

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01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 23: as it goes round, but fewer and fewer job opportunities

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01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:26,679
Speaker 23: coming up. What sectors are being hit, Yeah, the biggest

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01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:29,400
Speaker 23: hit so far in terms of sectors has been construction,

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01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:33,480
Speaker 23: around about just over ten thousand fewer jobs in construction

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01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,160
Speaker 23: than a year ago. But then after construction sort of

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01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 23: smattering across the board around seven thousand fewer jobs and

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01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,400
Speaker 23: admin and support services and that includes labor, higher and

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01:18:44,479 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 23: temporary roles. You've got six thousand odd fewer roles across

1677
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:51,840
Speaker 23: accommodation and food services. Again, we're not traveling as much

1678
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 23: across the country and doing domestic travel, and so that's

1679
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:58,959
Speaker 23: taken a hit. Manufacturings down around five thousand, professional services

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01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 23: down nearly three thy eight hundred at you so, in

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01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 23: retail as well. So there's quite a lot of areas

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:08,720
Speaker 23: that have very much been hit. Interestingly, and I think encouragingly,

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01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:11,559
Speaker 23: the healthcare sector is the one area that has seen

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01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:15,799
Speaker 23: some pre sustained jobs growth, over ten thousand more jobs

1685
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 23: in healthcare than a year ago, so that area really

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01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:19,120
Speaker 23: holding us up.

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01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,000
Speaker 2: And so when do we expect to hit five percent unemployment?

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01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:26,000
Speaker 23: Well, we'll have the numbers out next Wednesday, which we

1689
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 23: expect at the moment will show that five percent unemployment rate,

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01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 23: and we think it will then continue to increase just

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01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 23: a bit more over the next couple of quarters. We

1692
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,880
Speaker 23: think that the unemployment rate now is going to peak

1693
01:19:36,920 --> 01:19:39,720
Speaker 23: at around five point four percent around mid next year.

1694
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:43,160
Speaker 23: And it's just in that awful period now heitherwhere between

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01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 23: now and sort of mid next year, as people are

1696
01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 23: slowly but surely moving off their higher fixed income mortgages

1697
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 23: through to those lower rates, you'll start to get more

1698
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 23: and more people that are still going to be losing

1699
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:58,799
Speaker 23: their jobs until there is more support. There's more stimulus

1700
01:19:58,800 --> 01:20:01,240
Speaker 23: coming into the economy. So we're in a very tough,

1701
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 23: very tricky period for the economy at the moment.

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01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 2: Good stuff, Brad, Thanks so much appreciated, Brad Olson, Infametrics

1703
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 2: principal economists. Here the rubbish. If you're offering a bigger

1704
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 2: salary which includes a performance bonus, then of course you

1705
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:13,719
Speaker 2: can ask for a base salary reduction. As long as

1706
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 2: the target performance and pay has not changed. You can

1707
01:20:16,479 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 2: ask for the sacrifice in the base with the biggest

1708
01:20:18,280 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 2: salary for overall performance. Thank you for that, Dave six

1709
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:21,120
Speaker 2: twenty three.

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Speaker 1: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour

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1712
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Speaker 1: solution for busy SMS on News Talks'bhather, I.

1713
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Speaker 2: Still like getting my car magazines through the mail. It's

1714
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 2: not the same in digital form, mark you can still

1715
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,559
Speaker 2: get the career to deliver it. This is the thing.

1716
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,320
Speaker 2: The courier is making a mint off me a the

1717
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 2: couriers at my house the whole time. Allo, there here's

1718
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,360
Speaker 2: another package. That kind of thing. Mailman. They don't even

1719
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:49,240
Speaker 2: know who I am and don't get any mail. Listen.

1720
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:52,120
Speaker 2: But speaking of which, something did okay? This arrived, So

1721
01:20:52,200 --> 01:20:53,920
Speaker 2: this is the kind of thing that's arriving in the career.

1722
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 2: So the husband said, what do you want for your birthday?

1723
01:20:57,040 --> 01:20:58,640
Speaker 2: And I said, I wanted I want to watch that

1724
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Speaker 2: you can put on you can go in the water with,

1725
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:02,559
Speaker 2: because there's a lot of like going in the water

1726
01:21:02,600 --> 01:21:04,360
Speaker 2: with a can and then you lose you lose the

1727
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 2: track of time and stuff like that. So he bought

1728
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 2: me the latest Apple Watch, which I don't even want

1729
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 2: to know how much a costs do not tell me. Anyway,

1730
01:21:11,400 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 2: that was my birthday present. Took me forever together. That

1731
01:21:13,920 --> 01:21:16,080
Speaker 2: was like mid September. That took me forever to get

1732
01:21:16,120 --> 01:21:17,400
Speaker 2: the thing up and running, but I got it up

1733
01:21:17,400 --> 01:21:20,200
Speaker 2: and running this weekend. For various reasons. Anyway, now I'm

1734
01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,240
Speaker 2: interested in what smart watches can do. Right, really interesting

1735
01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: prediction that they are soon going to be able to

1736
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,080
Speaker 2: actually predict whether you've got Parkinson's or not. And it's

1737
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,439
Speaker 2: because these watches, apparently, and I don't know if it's

1738
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,960
Speaker 2: specifically the Apple necessarily, but the general concept of a

1739
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: smart watch can detect subtle abnormalities that you're not even

1740
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 2: aware of, like a changing your walking pattern, and that can,

1741
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: according to at least one study that was published last

1742
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:49,120
Speaker 2: year that can predict Parkinson's just because you start walking

1743
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 2: a little bit funny up to seven times earlier than

1744
01:21:51,720 --> 01:21:53,280
Speaker 2: a doctor would be able to tell you that you

1745
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,800
Speaker 2: have it. Plus, obviously it combines with a whole bunch

1746
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: of other data that would be collecting as well, like apparently,

1747
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,519
Speaker 2: if you're going to get Parkinson's, you'll sleep starts getting

1748
01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 2: a little bit funny, so it'll record your sleep data

1749
01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:04,800
Speaker 2: as well, and it'll put the two things together and

1750
01:22:04,840 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 2: go whoa watch out apparently for people with epilepsy might

1751
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 2: be able to predict that a seizure is coming before

1752
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 2: it arrives, so that because you can't stop the seizure,

1753
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 2: but you don't want to have a bad accident or

1754
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 2: fall or something like that. And they do that by

1755
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,520
Speaker 2: measuring these watches, the heart rate variability, the skin temperature,

1756
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, like the sweating that's going on and stuff

1757
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,720
Speaker 2: like that. And apparently now there's a hospital in Switzerland

1758
01:22:28,760 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 2: that's going to start giving out watches, these smart watches

1759
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 2: to patients like a few weeks before they have surgery,

1760
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 2: so that it can predict and prevent any complications from

1761
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:39,600
Speaker 2: going under general anesthetic. It can see that something's a

1762
01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:41,719
Speaker 2: bit funny there. This person's at risk of blah blah

1763
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 2: with their lungs or whatever, and be able to kind

1764
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 2: of get on top of it before before it happens.

1765
01:22:47,240 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: How I'm gonna live forever. We've got a what a

1766
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,880
Speaker 2: smart watch. You're never gonna die. Headline's next.

1767
01:22:55,680 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 3: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

1768
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 1: The business with Heather duperic Alan and my HR the

1769
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 1: HR solution for busy sms on News Talk ZB.

1770
01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 2: Andder Brady out of the UK with us in ten

1771
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:16,880
Speaker 2: minutes time. Heather, there have been no deaths on New

1772
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 2: Zealand roads over the label weekend. Hopefully Golden Balls doesn't

1773
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:23,439
Speaker 2: stats Simian Brown doesn't stuff up the stuff up Labour's

1774
01:23:23,439 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 2: speed settings by raising speed limits and thus killing people.

1775
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 2: Labor has proved again that speed kills. Thank you, Wayne.

1776
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,200
Speaker 2: I thought about this today, thought why the speed I

1777
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:36,280
Speaker 2: wonder why the road toll was so low, and I

1778
01:23:36,280 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 2: did wonder. I thought it could be speeding, and then

1779
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: I was like, no, can't. It can't be the speed

1780
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 2: limits because as we know, speeding is actually not one

1781
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:46,120
Speaker 2: of the biggest contributors. Despite what you think, Wayne, to

1782
01:23:46,160 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 2: the road toll, it's actually drugs and alcohol. So what

1783
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 2: was it just us using the roads? Obviously? What was it?

1784
01:23:51,479 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: I wondered if the Clive, you know, you know Clive

1785
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 2: with the sideburns from the Dog and Lemon Guide. Clive's

1786
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,719
Speaker 2: theory because he sent out an email us today. Clive's

1787
01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,840
Speaker 2: theory is that it's the recession that and it makes

1788
01:24:04,840 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 2: some I actually think he might be onto something here.

1789
01:24:06,640 --> 01:24:08,000
Speaker 2: It makes some sense when you don't have a lot

1790
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: of money, you can't go on holidays, so you stay home.

1791
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 2: So just fewer of us on the roads. And if

1792
01:24:12,840 --> 01:24:14,759
Speaker 2: you went out, if you did actually go away this weekend,

1793
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:16,360
Speaker 2: you will have noticed the roads. We're not that chockers,

1794
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:18,120
Speaker 2: So there's probably an element of truth to that. I

1795
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:19,800
Speaker 2: do also wonder if it's my old mates at the

1796
01:24:19,840 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 2: Met Service as well, who were like, it's going to

1797
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 2: be winter is coming. A whole bunch of people went Airbnb, cancel,

1798
01:24:26,600 --> 01:24:28,800
Speaker 2: now just stay home. Then, so I wonder if it

1799
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,640
Speaker 2: was simply a case of, for various reasons, fewer of

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01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,759
Speaker 2: us being on the road, therefore not killing ourselves. But Wayne,

1801
01:24:34,840 --> 01:24:36,519
Speaker 2: you go with the speed limit thing, if that makes

1802
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,520
Speaker 2: you feel better twenty two away from seven.

1803
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 3: The Rural Report on Hither Dupe see Allen.

1804
01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:46,679
Speaker 2: Forget about Jack Tame, forget about Dan Mitchinson, forget about

1805
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: all of those US correspondents who think they know what's

1806
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 2: happening on the ground. Jamie McKay has just come back

1807
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 2: from the States. He's got the good oil a Jamie.

1808
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, and you can forget about water cronkite while you're

1809
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:55,800
Speaker 5: on it.

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01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's exactly right. So who's going to win there?

1811
01:25:00,080 --> 01:25:02,679
Speaker 5: Come and I spent We spent two weeks, and they're

1812
01:25:02,720 --> 01:25:07,000
Speaker 5: all on the eastern seaboard, New York, Boston, Philadelphia. Not

1813
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:08,920
Speaker 5: much to do there apart from run up and down

1814
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 5: the Rocky Steps and Washington will be fair to say,

1815
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,200
Speaker 5: I mean, that's true Blue country. I didn't meet that

1816
01:25:15,400 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 5: many Trump voters. I did send you a picture, mind you, Heather,

1817
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:23,920
Speaker 5: of Michael, the pro Trump uber driver who's got Trump

1818
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:27,960
Speaker 5: plasted all around the inside and the outside of a

1819
01:25:28,040 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 5: zuber in Boston. And in fact, he's got a Trump

1820
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 5: sort of cutout stuck to the windows screen. And the

1821
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:38,200
Speaker 5: interesting thing was Michael kept us entertained for the five

1822
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:40,240
Speaker 5: or ten minutes he took us to get us from

1823
01:25:40,280 --> 01:25:43,040
Speaker 5: our hotel to the train station, and I said, how

1824
01:25:43,080 --> 01:25:44,479
Speaker 5: do you get on when you pull up in this

1825
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 5: car and there's a Democrat standing on the sideline? He said, well,

1826
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 5: that actually makes me a lot of money because they

1827
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 5: don't get in. I wait for them five minutes and

1828
01:25:52,200 --> 01:25:55,800
Speaker 5: then they've got to pay. So maybe there's maybe this

1829
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:58,680
Speaker 5: method to his madness. And I also sent you a

1830
01:25:58,760 --> 01:26:01,680
Speaker 5: pick heather of a block riding his bike with a

1831
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 5: big flag or several big flags on the back of

1832
01:26:04,920 --> 01:26:07,880
Speaker 5: his bike, right in front of the Washington Monument in

1833
01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:11,040
Speaker 5: the middle of the Washington Mall there with Harris and

1834
01:26:11,200 --> 01:26:14,360
Speaker 5: Waltz on that one. So look, it's flip of a coin.

1835
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:17,280
Speaker 5: But I think the seven and I've heard you talking

1836
01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 5: about this as well, Nevada, Arizona, Georgia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin,

1837
01:26:23,680 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 5: the seven swing states, Trump's ahead and five of them

1838
01:26:26,720 --> 01:26:31,240
Speaker 5: at the moment. I've got a sneaking suspicion, which might

1839
01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,680
Speaker 5: not be good for New Zealand, that Trump's going to

1840
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 5: win this.

1841
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:36,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I suspect. So I suspect that's what's going to happen.

1842
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:39,360
Speaker 2: Are people talking about because the other thing that kind

1843
01:26:39,400 --> 01:26:42,160
Speaker 2: of swings things in his favor. Is that he is

1844
01:26:42,240 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 2: perceived to be stronger on the economy, and the economy

1845
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,160
Speaker 2: is what's weighing on people's minds. I mean, is that

1846
01:26:47,240 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 2: the vibe that you were getting over there, that this

1847
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:50,360
Speaker 2: is the thing that's plaguing people the most.

1848
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they all accept that Trump is a

1849
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:57,559
Speaker 5: flawed individual, probably a very flawed individual, but at least,

1850
01:26:57,840 --> 01:27:01,200
Speaker 5: and I'm certainly not pro Trump, but at least when

1851
01:27:01,240 --> 01:27:04,479
Speaker 5: he speaks, he kind of says something. And Carmal is

1852
01:27:04,520 --> 01:27:07,719
Speaker 5: probably a wonderfully nice person. And I'll get in trouble

1853
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,320
Speaker 5: by the liberal left for saying this as well. But

1854
01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 5: I've watched a lot of her on the US cable

1855
01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,639
Speaker 5: channels while I was over there, and her biggest problem

1856
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 5: is she doesn't actually say anything. She might tell a

1857
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 5: three minute words cell she's annoying. Whereas Trump, you know,

1858
01:27:24,439 --> 01:27:26,960
Speaker 5: he makes all these promises, but at least she kind

1859
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:29,960
Speaker 5: of he's put a peg in the sand. And yes,

1860
01:27:30,040 --> 01:27:33,639
Speaker 5: I do think to your point that the big issues

1861
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 5: are the cost of living, the economy, and don't underestimate

1862
01:27:38,439 --> 01:27:41,920
Speaker 5: the migrant issue. That's the one that people were talking.

1863
01:27:41,680 --> 01:27:42,240
Speaker 4: To me about.

1864
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 5: We're going to vote Trump because he's going to build

1865
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:46,600
Speaker 5: a wall. They're going to stop these migrants coming in

1866
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 5: to our sacrifice cities, and they're going to stop these

1867
01:27:49,400 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 5: criminals coming in and murdering Americans. And I think the

1868
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 5: migrant issue might get him across the line, even if

1869
01:27:56,439 --> 01:27:59,519
Speaker 5: it doesn't mean many illegal Mexicans will get across the

1870
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 5: line or the border. And one final word from me

1871
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:04,840
Speaker 5: here that just on that. I read a really interesting

1872
01:28:04,920 --> 01:28:07,960
Speaker 5: story in the New York Times about the big dairy

1873
01:28:08,040 --> 01:28:11,720
Speaker 5: farms in Idaho. It's their biggest dairy farming state, all

1874
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 5: run by Mexican labor. A lot of that labor is

1875
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 5: illegal or not certificated or whatever you call it. Trump

1876
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,760
Speaker 5: says on day one, I'm going to send them all home.

1877
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 5: No one will be left in the United States to

1878
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 5: do the hard yards, just as the likes of the

1879
01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:30,320
Speaker 5: Filipinos do here in this country with our dairy industry

1880
01:28:30,439 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 5: because Kiwi's and Americans are getting lazier by the day

1881
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,040
Speaker 5: and don't want to do the hard yards.

1882
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, very interesting. You know what you didn't see me

1883
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:39,599
Speaker 2: was the picture of yourself with the old Trump hat.

1884
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 5: Well that was meant to that. I mean, that was

1885
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 5: like a private joke culture.

1886
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:49,679
Speaker 2: It was to me, you've got you've got the orange

1887
01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,639
Speaker 2: hair sticking out the top, and what does the hats

1888
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 2: It's just like a Trump like a Trump visor type things.

1889
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 12: It.

1890
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 5: Well, look I no, no, no, it's actually a Trump

1891
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,560
Speaker 5: cap with the orange hair on top. I bought it

1892
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:01,599
Speaker 5: from my son, who has some real issues in his life.

1893
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,439
Speaker 5: One of them he's a mad keen Trump supporter. So

1894
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 5: I bought it for him and I just tried it on,

1895
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,280
Speaker 5: took a poke coourse and he took a peck and

1896
01:29:09,360 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 5: next thing I know, it's on Facebook. So you've just

1897
01:29:11,680 --> 01:29:14,560
Speaker 5: got to be careful in this day of this, in

1898
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 5: this day and age, Heather, that should have never have

1899
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 5: been That should never have been leaked to you. Cars

1900
01:29:19,600 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 5: on the state, so to be suing you right now.

1901
01:29:21,479 --> 01:29:23,160
Speaker 2: Yeah too right, and you know, you know what would happen.

1902
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:25,040
Speaker 2: Simon Wilson at the Herald will see it and be like,

1903
01:29:25,200 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 2: why did Jamie McKay endorse Donald Trump? That's what that

1904
01:29:28,160 --> 01:29:30,720
Speaker 2: would become. Jamie McKay, thank you, nice to have you

1905
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 2: back Host of the Country, obviously, Heather. Yesterday, the returning

1906
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 2: traffic was backed up from Walkworth to the Brindou and

1907
01:29:36,520 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: so there was no opportunity to speed. Well, there you go.

1908
01:29:40,200 --> 01:29:42,120
Speaker 2: I mean that lends itself to the thank you debro.

1909
01:29:42,240 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 2: That lends itself to the speeding debate, which I don't

1910
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 2: buy into. But yet, maybe you can't go fast when

1911
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 2: you can't even move.

1912
01:29:48,600 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 4: It looks like.

1913
01:29:49,000 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 2: People are keen on buying houses again. By the way,

1914
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 2: after that OCR cut earlier this month, real estate Dot,

1915
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 2: Coda and Zed put some figures out today showed after

1916
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 2: the carts. Remember this is the big cut, the fifty

1917
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:03,120
Speaker 2: basis points cut, twenty five percent, bumping inquiries. All of

1918
01:30:03,120 --> 01:30:05,240
Speaker 2: a sudden, people are like, I think I can afford

1919
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:06,880
Speaker 2: a house with Hey, let's have a look again. Same

1920
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:09,759
Speaker 2: thing happened in August when the cut was smaller. Therefore

1921
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 2: the interest was smaller. But don't get too excited about

1922
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 2: this all of a sudden, meaning that you're going to

1923
01:30:13,640 --> 01:30:15,360
Speaker 2: be able to sell your house for a huge amount

1924
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:18,120
Speaker 2: of money because unfortunately there are heaps of houses for sale,

1925
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,479
Speaker 2: and that still drags that old price back down seventeen

1926
01:30:21,479 --> 01:30:22,120
Speaker 2: away from seven.

1927
01:30:22,600 --> 01:30:26,240
Speaker 1: Crunching the numbers and getting the results, it's hither duplic

1928
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,960
Speaker 1: ellen with the business hour thanks to my HR the

1929
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:31,120
Speaker 1: HR solution.

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Speaker 3: For busy smys on news talks.

1931
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,559
Speaker 2: Ippi he to tell us about the metallica costs. Please,

1932
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Speaker 2: I'm waiting, Okay, I promise I'll do it straight after.

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Speaker 2: End of Sorry, I have kept you waiting. Fourteen away

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Speaker 2: from seven Ender Brady's with US UK correspondent Evening Ender.

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Speaker 12: Hey, Heather, great to speak to you.

1936
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Speaker 2: I am shocked at how much cheese was stolen.

1937
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Speaker 12: Yeah, and the reaction. This is an incredible story for

1938
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:55,599
Speaker 12: anyone who hasn't followed it. About twenty two tons of top,

1939
01:30:55,760 --> 01:31:00,360
Speaker 12: top class Welsh and English cheddar has been stolen by

1940
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Speaker 12: scammers in London. Now the victims of all this is

1941
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Speaker 12: a company.

1942
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Speaker 3: Called Neil's Yard.

1943
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Speaker 12: They offer a very very good British dairy produce out

1944
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:12,160
Speaker 12: of London. Six hundred thousand dollars gone. It's twenty two

1945
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 12: tons of cheese. And this was a very elaborate crime

1946
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,559
Speaker 12: started in July. The name of a person who's very

1947
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 12: well known in the cheese industry in Europe, a French person.

1948
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Speaker 12: They imitated them and they knew a lot about the

1949
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Speaker 12: cheese sector, how deals are put together, how cheese is

1950
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Speaker 12: distributed and financed, and ultimately they had delivery of twenty

1951
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:40,960
Speaker 12: two tons of top class cheddar to a warehouse in

1952
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Speaker 12: London and the payment never followed through. And of course

1953
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:47,000
Speaker 12: then at that point the company Neil's Yard, were ringing

1954
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:49,840
Speaker 12: this French person who eventually when they got hold of

1955
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 12: the real person, they said, no, no, no, I've never

1956
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:54,800
Speaker 12: ordered twenty two tons of cheese off you, and they

1957
01:31:54,840 --> 01:31:57,679
Speaker 12: realized it was the victim of a very elaborate scam.

1958
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,479
Speaker 12: So police are on the case and what's happened now

1959
01:32:00,600 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 12: is Niel's Yard, to their credit, they have paid every

1960
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:07,760
Speaker 12: single producer who provided the cheese. These are small producers,

1961
01:32:08,160 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 12: one in Wales, two in England, and the public reaction

1962
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Speaker 12: has been extraordinary.

1963
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Speaker 4: But there you go.

1964
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Speaker 12: There's an awful lot of money in posh cheese.

1965
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Speaker 2: Who I mean, like, how if you're the receiver, if

1966
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Speaker 2: you're the skemma who's got twenty two tons of cheese,

1967
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,840
Speaker 2: how on earth are you going to sell that and

1968
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Speaker 2: make a buck off it.

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Speaker 12: I think it's out of the UK already. I think

1970
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Speaker 12: it was gone the next day.

1971
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Speaker 4: Apparently it can.

1972
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Speaker 12: Be stored in the right conditions for eighteen months. The

1973
01:32:31,040 --> 01:32:34,160
Speaker 12: newspapers reckon this is organized crime and it could be

1974
01:32:34,280 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 12: on its way to Russia as we speak. Who would have.

1975
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 2: Thought you could make the cheese off the cheese?

1976
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Speaker 4: Listen?

1977
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:41,240
Speaker 2: Are you going to get pinged by the Texas tomorrow?

1978
01:32:41,240 --> 01:32:41,960
Speaker 2: Are you in trouble?

1979
01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:46,200
Speaker 12: I think every single person in the UK is in

1980
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,759
Speaker 12: for a difficult day tomorrow and the budget comes. Rachel

1981
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,320
Speaker 12: Reeves and kir Starmer have been quite blunt about this.

1982
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:55,559
Speaker 12: They claim they inherited a forty four billion dollar black

1983
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 12: hole in public finances from the Conservatives, and Starmer is

1984
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 12: saying that right, we're fixing this now. We're not going

1985
01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:03,800
Speaker 12: to kick the can down the road. He says that's

1986
01:33:03,840 --> 01:33:06,800
Speaker 12: been going on for years and years, duping the British public.

1987
01:33:07,320 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 12: So Starmar is biting the bullet. And I think every

1988
01:33:10,040 --> 01:33:13,880
Speaker 12: single person who's working or has shares or stocks or

1989
01:33:13,960 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 12: inheritance tax to pay, everyone will be paying more tomorrow.

1990
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 12: I see they're even putting up bus fares. So bus

1991
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:22,759
Speaker 12: fares across the UK are counted four dollars. The whisper

1992
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,640
Speaker 12: is tomorrow they go up to six dollars, So no

1993
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:27,960
Speaker 12: one will escape the pain. It is happening tomorrow.

1994
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 2: Is it just going to make an unpopular man even

1995
01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 2: less popular.

1996
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Speaker 12: Look, I think he doesn't care about popularity because he's

1997
01:33:35,200 --> 01:33:38,320
Speaker 12: got another four and a half years. But ultimately Britain

1998
01:33:38,439 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 12: needs to be fixed. National health services in absolute shambles.

1999
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:45,240
Speaker 12: The roads I've driven on roads in Kenya with fewer

2000
01:33:45,280 --> 01:33:49,280
Speaker 12: potholes than some places in Oxfordshire. You know they've left

2001
01:33:49,320 --> 01:33:52,000
Speaker 12: a mess. And Starmer says he's the man to fix it.

2002
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:54,760
Speaker 12: But I think it will dent his popularity, no doubt

2003
01:33:54,760 --> 01:33:59,240
Speaker 12: about that. Rachel Reaves, Britain's first ever female chancellor. What

2004
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:02,479
Speaker 12: away to make your announcement with a first labor budget

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01:34:02,520 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 12: in fifteen years?

2006
01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:07,360
Speaker 2: Yeah too, righty? Was this manager of menu Dee dead.

2007
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:08,840
Speaker 4: Well?

2008
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 12: The results I think would tell you that he was

2009
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,519
Speaker 12: Manchester United to be in fourteenth place out of twenty

2010
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 12: in the Premier League table. They used to walk this

2011
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 12: league for years and years under Alex Ferguson. The thing

2012
01:34:20,160 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 12: I'm shocked about is how much compensation he's due. Apparently

2013
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 12: twenty six mil end z. That was what was left

2014
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,560
Speaker 12: on his contract and that's what they're going to have

2015
01:34:28,640 --> 01:34:30,280
Speaker 12: to pay, and I tell you we'll be very angry

2016
01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:30,600
Speaker 12: about that.

2017
01:34:30,720 --> 01:34:32,160
Speaker 4: Heather the two hundred and.

2018
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,680
Speaker 12: Fifty office and canteen staff and background people who got

2019
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 12: the sack in the summer. In this cost saving measure,

2020
01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,280
Speaker 12: I mean getting rid of two hundred and fifty ordinary

2021
01:34:41,320 --> 01:34:44,160
Speaker 12: people that can't come anywhere near what they're paying this

2022
01:34:44,280 --> 01:34:48,439
Speaker 12: guy in compensation. But ultimately Manchester United are way way

2023
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 12: off the pace. I mean, big global, once proud name

2024
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 12: that dominated English soccer and now they're just a minor club.

2025
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:57,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, giz, it is quite a fall from grass I

2026
01:34:57,760 --> 01:35:01,120
Speaker 2: thinks Indy appreciated into Brady correspondent. Right here you go

2027
01:35:01,640 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 2: Metallica tickets. This is according to Chris Schultz. He's got

2028
01:35:05,600 --> 01:35:07,439
Speaker 2: a substack called the boiler room because I can only

2029
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 2: find what the Australian tickets are, but he seems to

2030
01:35:09,439 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 2: have got his hands on the New Zealand ticer prices

2031
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: and who who Okay, here you go four hundred and

2032
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,760
Speaker 2: ninety five dollars for the Frantic package. Four hundred and

2033
01:35:17,800 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 2: ninety five dollars. That's a general admission ticket, early entry

2034
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:24,600
Speaker 2: and a drink seven hundred and ninety eight dollars, so

2035
01:35:24,680 --> 01:35:26,800
Speaker 2: basically it's rounded up to eight hundred. You get the

2036
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:29,360
Speaker 2: one package that will get you a premium seat entry

2037
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:32,400
Speaker 2: into a VIP party, three drinks, and a download of

2038
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:35,040
Speaker 2: the audio from the show. If you pay one thousand

2039
01:35:35,120 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 2: dollars or nine hundred and ninety eight dollars, Moth into

2040
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 2: the Flame package gets you all of the above, so

2041
01:35:40,120 --> 01:35:43,200
Speaker 2: premium seat entry into a VIB party, three drinks, and

2042
01:35:43,240 --> 01:35:45,280
Speaker 2: a download of the audio, but you'll also be standing

2043
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:49,559
Speaker 2: right in front of the stage. Also, you can spend

2044
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,320
Speaker 2: four thousand dollars on something called the nothing else Matters

2045
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 2: snake snake Pit. Let me get this straight, because you've

2046
01:35:56,240 --> 01:35:59,200
Speaker 2: got to have the full impact nothing else matters snake

2047
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,599
Speaker 2: Pit experience three thousand, nine hundred and ninety eight dollars,

2048
01:36:04,360 --> 01:36:06,200
Speaker 2: which is the amount of money pointed out that you

2049
01:36:06,240 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 2: could spend on a secondhand car. You can purchase a

2050
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,760
Speaker 2: Metallica ticket that will get you front of stage, a

2051
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:13,080
Speaker 2: meet and greet with two Metallica band members, not of

2052
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 2: your choosing, just the ones they give you, the two

2053
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: crappy ones, probably a backstage tour, a poster, and other

2054
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:22,160
Speaker 2: bits and pieces. And what did you say? So four thousand,

2055
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,880
Speaker 2: which is the cost of a car, will get you

2056
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,040
Speaker 2: the maximum experience of meeting two of these people. What

2057
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:29,720
Speaker 2: did you say? The cheapest tickets are supposed to be.

2058
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:32,439
Speaker 24: There's technically tickets that we're available for one hundred and

2059
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:35,080
Speaker 24: five dollars plus fees at the moment. If you want

2060
01:36:35,120 --> 01:36:36,640
Speaker 24: to buy a ticket right now, the cheapest you can

2061
01:36:36,680 --> 01:36:38,840
Speaker 24: get is about two hundred and sixty three plus fees.

2062
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:43,800
Speaker 2: Muh yeah, the eager. So it's not it's not going

2063
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: to be cheaper.

2064
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 24: Again in I don't think they'll be cheaper on Monday.

2065
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:46,680
Speaker 8: Put it that way.

2066
01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,360
Speaker 2: Nah, it's not going to be cheaper that you're gonna

2067
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:50,120
Speaker 2: have to You're gonna have to sell some part of

2068
01:36:50,160 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 2: your body or one of your children eight away from seven,

2069
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 2: whether it's.

2070
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,120
Speaker 3: Macro microbe or just playing economics.

2071
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,240
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Ellen

2072
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:04,879
Speaker 1: and my the HR platform for susp Heather.

2073
01:37:04,760 --> 01:37:07,080
Speaker 2: The husband just spent two hundred and forty dollars for

2074
01:37:07,120 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 2: an okay seat, So there you go. That's because the

2075
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,120
Speaker 2: cheap ones are being snapped up. But I don't know

2076
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 2: just hey, is it ticket Master? Ants?

2077
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 24: It is on Ticketmaster?

2078
01:37:16,160 --> 01:37:20,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. Ticket Master are famous for dynamic pricing, aren't they

2079
01:37:20,640 --> 01:37:23,120
Speaker 2: with the Oasis things, So you never know, maybe the

2080
01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:25,799
Speaker 2: prices will come back once the demand calls off. Speaking

2081
01:37:25,840 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 2: of which Oasis, I don't I don't like who's giving

2082
01:37:30,320 --> 01:37:34,160
Speaker 2: these boys advice? Ay, obviously who's giving these boys advice?

2083
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:37,439
Speaker 2: Are they taking the advice history would suggest? No, they

2084
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 2: are threatening now. The latest thing they're doing is they're

2085
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 2: threatening to cancel the tickets that are up on the

2086
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:43,360
Speaker 2: internet for resale. So a bunch of people would have

2087
01:37:43,360 --> 01:37:45,320
Speaker 2: bought tickets and they'd be like, I'm not going to

2088
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:48,640
Speaker 2: fly to the UK. After all, they're coming to Australia.

2089
01:37:48,680 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 2: Will just go there. People like that. There'll be some

2090
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 2: scalpers and stuff like that. But there are more than

2091
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,559
Speaker 2: fifty thousand tickets just for those UK events that are

2092
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,360
Speaker 2: for sale. Oasis is now going to cancel them all

2093
01:37:59,600 --> 01:38:01,880
Speaker 2: and put them up for resale again through ticket Master.

2094
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:03,879
Speaker 2: I don't know how that's going to go down with punters,

2095
01:38:03,960 --> 01:38:06,720
Speaker 2: Because if these guys were squeaky clean themselves, maybe you'd

2096
01:38:06,720 --> 01:38:09,360
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, yeah, get on the scalpers.

2097
01:38:09,479 --> 01:38:09,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2098
01:38:10,000 --> 01:38:12,360
Speaker 2: But because they are but saddicts themselves about trying to

2099
01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,559
Speaker 2: make huge amounts of money off the tickets, I don't

2100
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 2: know that anybody's gonna be like, oh, you're my heroes, Yeah,

2101
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:18,840
Speaker 2: you're on our side. More likely going to look at it.

2102
01:38:19,080 --> 01:38:20,920
Speaker 2: You're just looking for another opportunity to make huge amounts

2103
01:38:20,920 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 2: of money, Aim Heather. Obviously, your smart watch does not

2104
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:28,600
Speaker 2: detect common sense. Well it might, it might have a

2105
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 2: common sense detector on it. It doesn't give me common sense.

2106
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,559
Speaker 2: It just detects whether I've got.

2107
01:38:33,479 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 4: It or not.

2108
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to tell you what it says.

2109
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,120
Speaker 24: And well, we've only got the watchworking this month as well.

2110
01:38:37,120 --> 01:38:39,040
Speaker 24: We can't expect to have all the apps and stuff working.

2111
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:41,320
Speaker 2: Talking about like I've made it work at the weekend.

2112
01:38:41,400 --> 01:38:43,000
Speaker 2: I don't even know how to do the weather at

2113
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 2: properly on the things.

2114
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,720
Speaker 24: So say, the common sense is way down there on

2115
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,560
Speaker 24: the big dip wherever I may roam by Metallica to

2116
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,640
Speaker 24: play us out tonight. I mean, you know, they may

2117
01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 24: be charging quite a lot for their tickets, but at

2118
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 24: least they're not taking the tickets that we've bought. Oh

2119
01:38:54,600 --> 01:38:56,600
Speaker 24: that's yet, so I think they're probably beat Oasis for

2120
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,040
Speaker 24: at the end of the show today.

2121
01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:00,879
Speaker 2: When the guys who pulled the horns, the brit Poppers,

2122
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, the brit Poppers are in trouble, thank you

2123
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 2: as all right, listen, enjoy your day. See you Tomorrow

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Speaker 2: and News.

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Speaker 3: Talks for more from Hither Duplessye Allen Drive.

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