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Speaker 1: Credible, compelling, the breakfast show you can't best. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: Duplessy Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate,

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Speaker 1: doing real estate differently since nineteen seventy three, News Talk,

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Speaker 2: Morning and welcome to you. What do we tell you?

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Speaker 2: Nichola Willis would push out surplus and she's done it.

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Speaker 2: She's with us after seven. We've also got the big

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Speaker 2: new ministry unveiled. Will it actually be more efficient and cheaper?

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Speaker 2: The New Zealand initiative? On that, Scott Dixon is in

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Speaker 2: with us for a chat. He's in the country to

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Speaker 2: open a new karting track. Karting is all, of course,

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Speaker 2: we're all the great start. He's after seven thirty and

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Speaker 2: then Politics Wednesday with Jenny and Mark for the last

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Speaker 2: time this year.

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Speaker 3: Heather Duplessy Allen.

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Speaker 2: No surprise, Nichola Willis has pushed out surplus by another year,

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Speaker 2: which now makes it three years and two years. As in,

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Speaker 2: she has delayed surplus by three years in just the

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Speaker 2: space of the two years that she's been at the

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Speaker 2: Finance Minister's desk. Had she kept her pledge, which is

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Speaker 2: the one that she made up about tidying up this

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Speaker 2: country's books. When she was asking for our votes in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, we would be seeing surplus next year.

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Speaker 2: Now it's twenty nine at the US earliest. Now, getting

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Speaker 2: our books back in order is not Beltway. It is

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Speaker 2: important if we don't want our kids to pack up

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Speaker 2: and leave for Ossie when they're old enough to. And

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Speaker 2: Nichola can blame everyone from Treasury to Trump if she wants,

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Speaker 2: but she also has not done enough to get us

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Speaker 2: back to surplus. There is plenty of wasteful spending that

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Speaker 2: could be cut if she wanted to. She has, for

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Speaker 2: some reason defended and kept Jacinder's wasteful policy of paying

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Speaker 2: for one year free for university students. It's been repeatedly

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Speaker 2: criticized as a flop because it doesn't actually make anyone

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Speaker 2: go to university. If she was brave enough to cut that,

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Speaker 2: it would save us in the vicinity of a billion

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Speaker 2: dollars over four years. She has given welfare to households

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Speaker 2: are more than two hundred thousand dollars a year by

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Speaker 2: giving them money for childcare. People on that kind of

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Speaker 2: coin do not need benefits. Cutting that would save a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars in a little over five years, she still

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Speaker 2: hasn't cut or income tested the winter energy payment which

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Speaker 2: is going to people who are still in the workforce,

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Speaker 2: and ja setting it aside for nice trips to Fiji.

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Speaker 2: Cutting that would save a billion dollars in less than

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Speaker 2: two years. Trimming it would save a little bit less,

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Speaker 2: but it would at least save something. She has one

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Speaker 2: thousand public servants who have been cut when Grant and

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Speaker 2: Jasinda actually added fourteen thousand, So still a lot there

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Speaker 2: be In no doubt. Yep, money is tight, Treasury's not helping,

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Speaker 2: Trump's not helping, But there is still a lot of

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Speaker 2: waste that could be cut if Nikola Willis was brave enough.

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Speaker 3: News of the World in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: Paul Doyle, who's the man who drove into a crowd

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Speaker 2: of people at the Liverpool Parade, has been sentenced to

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Speaker 2: twenty one and a half years in prison. The audio

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Speaker 2: footage of him and the car was also released. No,

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Speaker 2: it was shocking to even veterans within the police.

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Speaker 4: It rarely is horrific viewing to watch. You can see

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Speaker 2: Now, one of the major lines of inquiry into the

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Speaker 2: Bondi Terra attack was that the two shooters were in

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Speaker 2: the Philippines just a few weeks before the attack, in

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Speaker 2: an area that's known for Islamist violent extremism.

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Speaker 5: You don't get off a plane in the Philippines or

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Speaker 5: me to a training camp. So obviously there must have

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Speaker 2: Over in Europe, Vladimir Zelenski has addressed the Dutch Parliament

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Speaker 2: and sees Russia aren't coming to the negotiating table.

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Speaker 6: Russia chooses conflict or this, and Russians always say they're

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, the Brits have announced more military aid.

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Speaker 7: Today I can confirm the UK's biggest single year investment

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Speaker 7: into air defense for Ukraine at six hundred million pounds

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Speaker 2: Drones staying in the UK, and a probe has been

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Speaker 2: UK member was jailed for taking bribes to promote Russian interests.

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Speaker 1: An elected politician took bribes to parrot the lies of

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Speaker 8: Death of Dawn Sturgis, a British citizen on British soil.

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Speaker 2: And finally, the popularity of the second Zootopia movie, Excuse Me,

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Speaker 2: has ushered in a disturbing trend. So the movie has

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Speaker 2: Indonesian tech tit viper, which is a highly venomous snake.

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Speaker 2: So the warnings have gone out to say, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: maybe don't get yourself a highly venomous snake for your

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Speaker 2: suppose that is news of the world in ninety seconds.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what over in Canada's spelling has become

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Speaker 2: a weirdly political thing. What's been going on is Mark

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Speaker 2: Carnes's government has been using British spelling and official documents

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Speaker 2: and there have been people who've busted this, especially in

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Speaker 2: and they don't like it. And when I say British spelling,

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Speaker 2: I'm talking about things like globalization with an S instead

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Speaker 2: So you use the Z this is Canadian English, use

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Speaker 2: the Z in catalyze. But then you use in a

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Speaker 2: if governments start to use other systems for spelling, it

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Speaker 2: our national history and identity and pride. Who knew? Thirteen

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Speaker 2: Hey the wise. The tax takes lower, takes tax take

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Speaker 2: lower than expected. One of the reasons has got to

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Speaker 2: Westpac chief economist is with us morning, Kelly. What do

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Speaker 2: you make of that GDT auction last night?

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Speaker 9: Well, it's another shopper, isn't it? Really big? Full prices

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Speaker 9: been cutting a payout cut. Our own forecast as well,

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Speaker 9: but based off our assumptions, we'd say is probably quite

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Speaker 2: Now, I imagine that yesterday you would have been all

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Speaker 9: Yeah, it was obviously the big one of the big

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Speaker 9: probably slightly bigger. I mean, basically, the fiscal outlook continues

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Speaker 9: to deteriorate, is the underlying picture there, and you can

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Speaker 9: You know, there's there's a bit less debt issuance that

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Speaker 9: kind of where there was a little bit of fudge served,

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Speaker 9: I think, because what the government's done is decided to

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Speaker 9: out there in the medium terms, sort of like Upter

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Speaker 9: not generating the tax tape that they want to. One

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Speaker 2: And so what are you making of the inflation numbers?

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Speaker 9: But I guess the encouraging thing is that some of

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Speaker 10: So Dow is basically pretty flat. It's down forty one

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Speaker 10: car if you going on the road for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Kelly, have yourself a lovely day, Thanks very much mate.

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Speaker 2: This Kelly eah Cold who is WESTPACX chief economist now

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Speaker 2: on the Reserve Bank governor. So yeah, the attempt by

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Speaker 2: Heather, you could not fund a holiday to Fiji on

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Speaker 2: Pension age needs to go up in key we save

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Speaker 2: Heather is bringing them all together. Is the aim as

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Speaker 2: obviously to get them to work together. But will that

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Speaker 12: I mean, to start with, I think some mergers make

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why is Okay? Give me the reasons, because I've

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Speaker 12: The first thing is timing, because the ministries in question

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Speaker 2: Right, So you just changing the location, but the problems continue.

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Speaker 2: Is it also not possible, Oliver, that you can have

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Speaker 12: No, and that's the problem really with MB. I mean,

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Speaker 14: A bit skeptical.

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Speaker 2: just ask you really quickly we're talking to Nicolaulas after

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Speaker 12: Not a great surprise. I mean, after the economic development

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Speaker 2: which the New Zealand Initiative executive director, Heather, you're great

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Speaker 2: at criticizing the finance minister. If you think you're think

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Speaker 2: is a particularly grim twist, isn't it. That's the Rhiner's

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Speaker 16: Yeah, there is still widespread shock over all the details

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Speaker 11: Rob and Michelle Reiner are some of the most decent,

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Speaker 11: in a time when there's not a lot of courage

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Speaker 11: going on.

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Speaker 16: Deranged of course the term that the President Trump has

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Speaker 16: taken to using more of that in tick. From the

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Speaker 16: age of fifteen, Nick Rhiner was a drug abuser who

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Speaker 16: went in and out of rehabit was homeland for a while.

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Speaker 16: Rob Ryan of course known as the son of brilliant

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Speaker 16: comedian Carl Reiner, and he became known for his role

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Speaker 16: in Normally as All in the Family, the TV sitcom.

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Speaker 16: He then went on to make so many brilliant movies,

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Speaker 16: including the drama A Few Good Men, the rock satire,

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Speaker 16: This Is Spinal Tap, the romance When Harry Met Sally,

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Speaker 16: the fantasy Princess Bride. So many really great films in

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Speaker 16: so many many different areas. Back in twenty sixteen, though,

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Speaker 16: he made a film called Being Charlie, based on a

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Speaker 16: script by his son Nick and talking about Nick Ryaner's

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Speaker 16: drug abuses, including well everything, cocaine, heroine, whole list. He

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Speaker 16: had a heart attack once on a plane because of

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Speaker 16: cocaine news, he threw a rock through a treatment center

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Speaker 16: window one time, and so on. Rob Reiner said that

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Speaker 16: the family had tried everything to deal with all of this,

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Speaker 16: and he said of the film version that they put.

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Speaker 1: Together, making this film not only forced me to see

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Speaker 1: what he was experiencing, but I think it forced him

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Speaker 1: to see what I.

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Speaker 3: Went through and what his mother went through.

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Speaker 16: Now, well, there's in a flood of reactions and tributes

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Speaker 16: to Rob Reiner and Michelle. Comedians Billy Crystal and Murray

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Speaker 16: David went off to the Rhiner's home after their bodies

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Speaker 16: were found Billy Crystal near tears By accounts. Harry Sheer

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Speaker 16: from the Spinal Tap movie says of Rob Reiner, he was.

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Speaker 5: A deeply caring character in his own right, and he

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Speaker 5: brought that to his.

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Speaker 16: Work The Wonder Center. Yeah, Donald Trump, Michelle Rhiner actually

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Speaker 16: took the Trump photo on the original cover of Trump's

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Speaker 16: Out of the Deal book. Right after the murders, Trump

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Speaker 16: posted this on social media, calling Rob Reiner quote A

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Speaker 16: tortured and struggling but once very talented movie director and

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Speaker 16: comedy star has passed away together with his wife, Michelle,

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Speaker 16: reportedly due to the anger he caused others through his massive,

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Speaker 16: unyielding and incurable affliction with a mind crippling disease known

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Speaker 16: as Trump Derangement syndrome, sometimes referred to as teds end quote.

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Speaker 17: You know.

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Speaker 16: There was an instant backlash to those disgusting remarks suggesting

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Speaker 16: these brutal murders were all about Trump, Republican Senator John

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Speaker 16: Kennedy saying Trump should have shut up. Republican Marjorie Taylor

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Speaker 16: Green saying this.

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Speaker 10: I thought his comments were attrash, while.

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Speaker 16: The Republicans speaker Mike Johnson simply ran away from reporters

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Speaker 16: when questioned today about the Trump remarks, at most find

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Speaker 16: beyond the pale.

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Speaker 2: Now, what do we know about this plot that the

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Speaker 2: FBI foiled?

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Speaker 16: Yeah, well, in the midst of the mayhem, we know

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Speaker 16: that they've stopped a bomb that the bomb plot they

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Speaker 16: said could have turned New Years even into a blood

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Speaker 16: bath in southern California, arresting four men who had the

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Speaker 16: ingredients and detailed instructions for bomb making. These are said

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Speaker 16: to be members of some anti capitalist group calling themselves

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Speaker 16: the Turtle Island Liberation Front or whatever says prosecutor is say, Lee.

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Speaker 18: We disrupted this terror plot before buildings were demolished or

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Speaker 18: innocent people were killed.

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Speaker 16: These suspects are being arrested in the Mohave Desert, so

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Speaker 16: a couple of hours out of LA and officials had

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Speaker 16: taken aerial surveillance as these four were said to be

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Speaker 16: rehearsing their bomb plot.

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Speaker 2: Richard Scots talk to you, thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: That's Richard Arnold, a US correspondent. Morning is Heather doing

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Speaker 2: the Wednesday Morning Talk with Ginny and Mark Yep. Politics

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Speaker 2: Wednesday is on and that's after eight. Of course it's

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Speaker 2: eleven to seven.

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Speaker 1: Heather do Bussy Allen fond of my casking Breakfast with

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Speaker 1: a Vita, Retirement, Communities News, togs Head b Now we've.

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Speaker 2: Got Scott Dixon on the show later on, which I'm

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Speaker 2: particularly excited about because the guy is just an absolute legend.

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Speaker 2: Why he's back in I think he only flew back

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Speaker 2: into the country yesterday because I did a bit of

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Speaker 2: Facebook stalking or Instagram stalking or whatever it was, and

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Speaker 2: is on the plane only a day ago. And I

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Speaker 2: think he's coming back for this, which is the Sir

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Speaker 2: Colin Giltrap Raceway, which is a world class karting facility

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Speaker 2: in Auckland which is being opened, and of course Scott

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Speaker 2: Dixon is interested in it because, like many of the

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Speaker 2: great races and various forms, he started in karting. So

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Speaker 2: he's going to be with us after half past seven

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Speaker 2: seven away from seven pall the.

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Speaker 1: Ins and the outs, it's the Bears with business favor

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Speaker 1: take your business productivity to the next level.

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Speaker 2: Now, the last bit of housing data dump for the

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Speaker 2: year has continued a pretty dismal end to the year.

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Speaker 2: Real Estate Institute of New Zealand showed that there were

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Speaker 2: seven thy two hundred residential property sales in November. That's

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Speaker 2: a four point four percent drop compared to October, and

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Speaker 2: it's a five point seven percent drop compared to November

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Speaker 2: last year. Now, Auckland's led the way with the decline

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Speaker 2: in sales volume. It's down six point six percent year

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Speaker 2: on year, but the rest of the country wasn't much better,

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Speaker 2: down five point three percent. Bear in mind, sales usually

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Speaker 2: increase in November because the spring and summer months, of course,

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Speaker 2: is the peak sales time is when you want to

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Speaker 2: be selling your house. It's only the sixth November, sixth

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Speaker 2: November and thirty three years that the sales count was

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Speaker 2: below October's. Now, price wise, there was very little in

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Speaker 2: the way of movement. The house price index was up

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Speaker 2: just zero point one percent in November compared to October,

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Speaker 2: so you can basically call that a nothing that continues

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Speaker 2: the trend of slow growth that Treasury pointed out in

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Speaker 2: the highfu yesterday, and the national median house price is

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Speaker 2: now eight hundred and eight thousand dollars. It's seven hundred

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Speaker 2: and thirty thousand dollars if you take out all one's numbers,

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Speaker 2: which obviously always over inflate things, don't they now? BONDI. Goodness,

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Speaker 2: I've hardly mentioned BONDI and BONDI is just still ongoing,

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Speaker 2: is you know? There is so much coming out of

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Speaker 2: Bondai at the moment. As you'd expect, we're hearing lots

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Speaker 2: about more of the heroes. There was the couple you

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Speaker 2: would have seen this if you were watching the news

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Speaker 2: last night, the couple who saw the shooters and they

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Speaker 2: seemed to be an elderly couple, saw the shooters get

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Speaker 2: out of the car with the ice I flag draped

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Speaker 2: over the windscreen, tried to take the guns off them.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately were unsuccessful. They ended themselves being shot dead. Then

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Speaker 2: you had if you saw the photograph or the video

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Speaker 2: of Ahmed al Ahmed trying to disarm one of the shooters,

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Speaker 2: you will have seen there was another chap who follows him,

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Speaker 2: runs up behind him and starts throwing bricks alongside him.

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Speaker 2: He is also something of a hero who ended up

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Speaker 2: being shot dead by the shooters. And then there is

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Speaker 2: another one who is a police officer. Police have come

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Speaker 2: in for some heavy criticism, you know, running away and

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Speaker 2: which it doesn't appear to be true. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 2: a police officer who got very close to the bridge,

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Speaker 2: took some shelter in it behind a tree and managed

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Speaker 2: to take out I think it was the father. There

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Speaker 2: was also a little bit of a truth torpedo that

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Speaker 2: was delivered. The daughter of the eighty six year old

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Speaker 2: who was shot and killed at Bondi was invited onto

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Speaker 2: ABC's Breakfast show and she was asked if she had

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Speaker 2: any messages for the government.

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Speaker 19: Is this what she wanted? Alban Easy Wong? Will you

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Speaker 19: listen to us? Will you actually do something? Will you

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Speaker 19: actually I don't have to stand up and say anything

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Speaker 19: because we don't believe you anyway. And ABC, I've got

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Speaker 19: to say, will you cut out the biased reporting mainstream media?

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Speaker 3: We feel we yeah, will you?

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Speaker 8: Will you cut it out?

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Speaker 19: Will you actually let us have a voice because we

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Speaker 19: feel that part of the reason that the Jewish people

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Speaker 19: have experienced such a massive change in Australia towards us, ABC,

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Speaker 19: please stop with a biased reporting.

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Speaker 2: Well, as you can imagine, the interview didn't go on

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Speaker 2: much longer after she dropped that truth torpedo on them.

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Speaker 2: I suspect that there will be a little bit of

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Speaker 2: reflection that is going on in various quarters of legacy

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Speaker 2: media about how various things have been covered and perhaps

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Speaker 2: and we're going to deal with this later on in

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Speaker 2: the program as well, but perhaps, you know, the going

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Speaker 2: hard on one side and completely ignoring not that there

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Speaker 2: is a binary thing here, but completely ignoring some of

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Speaker 2: the language that's coming out of the other side and

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Speaker 2: just kind of waving that through because we have, as

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Speaker 2: legacy media decided who the goodies and baddies are here. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: same problem with the BBC if you've been following that.

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Speaker 2: We'll deal with that later on the program. We've got

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Speaker 2: Nichola Willis with us next though, talking through the surplus

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Speaker 2: sostan tune stay tuned for that news talk.

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Speaker 1: Zb asking the questions others won't Heather Duplicy Allen on

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Speaker 1: the Mic Hosking Breakfast, We're the defender, embrace the impossible

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Speaker 1: news talks.

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Speaker 2: There'd be morning and welcome. So, as predicted, Nichola Willis

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Speaker 2: has pushed out Surplus again, which makes it the third

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Speaker 2: year of delay in only two years of this government

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Speaker 2: being in office. The country's now forecast to first be

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Speaker 2: in the black and thirty so let's talk to the

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Speaker 2: finance minister, hid Nikola.

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Speaker 20: Good morning, Heather.

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Speaker 2: Just clear this up for me. Are we borrowing right

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Speaker 2: now as a country just to pay our interest bill

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Speaker 2: on the debt?

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Speaker 20: We are paying in part to pay the interest bill

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Speaker 20: on the debt, which is pretty big. It's more than

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Speaker 20: nine billion dollars a year, thank you labor. But as

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Speaker 20: we look over the next few years, around eighty percent

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Speaker 20: of our borrowing is for capital investments, so that's an

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Speaker 20: infrastructure unlike hospitals, schools and roads, so assets that we

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Speaker 20: will have for the future. Regardless, we need to get

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Speaker 20: that borrowing down, which means we need to get the

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Speaker 20: books back in balance, and that's what the government has

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Speaker 20: a plan to do.

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Speaker 2: So why not run a zero budget like Bill English did.

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Speaker 20: Because we do have pressing needs, for example, to invest

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Speaker 20: more in the health system to allow for a growing

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Speaker 20: and aging population, in the demands that people have, to

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Speaker 20: double the capability of our defense force, as we have

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Speaker 20: committed to our security partners to ensure that schools, teachers

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Speaker 20: and the like have a little bit more funding to

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Speaker 20: keep the lights on and keep doing their work. So

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Speaker 20: those frontline services require more funding just to stand still.

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Speaker 20: And we have committed as a equipment that we will

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Speaker 20: be delivering effective frontline services and making the funding commitments

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Speaker 20: needed to support that.

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Speaker 2: I mean he had the same pressing needs, didn't he

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Speaker 2: And he still managed to cut enough to run a

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Speaker 2: zero budget a couple of times.

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Speaker 20: That's right, and we are doing a similar thing to

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Speaker 20: him in that in order to fund all of the

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Speaker 20: commitments that we have made, we will need to keep

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Speaker 20: finding ongoing savings and reprioritization. That's been our habit over

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Speaker 20: our first two budgets and which collectively we've delivered forty

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Speaker 20: three billion dollars worth of savings. Now, of course those

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Speaker 20: savings have allowed us to deliver tax relief to working people,

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Speaker 20: but also to increase funding to a number of services,

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Speaker 20: doing things like increasing the number of frontline police officers.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that you've cut everything that you can?

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Speaker 2: Is all the fat gone?

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Speaker 13: No?

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Speaker 20: I think we have to be pressing for.

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Speaker 2: On what ongoing fat? Can you see?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 20: I still think that there's room for more efficiency in

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Speaker 20: the public service. I have, together with ministers, identified other

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Speaker 20: areas where we think, look, are we getting in our

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Speaker 20: value for money to the taxpayer. There like what not? Convinced, well,

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Speaker 20: I will be taking a number of options to cabinet.

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Speaker 20: I don't want to get ahead of my cabinet colleagues

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Speaker 20: until we've made those choices. But the way I run

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Speaker 20: a budget is I send letters out to my colleagues saying,

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Speaker 20: here's some ideas for where I think you could make

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Speaker 20: some savings. Come back to me with what that would

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Speaker 20: look like. And by the way, in a few cases,

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Speaker 20: here's an idea for where you might need some more before.

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Speaker 2: I mean is for a start, why have you not

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Speaker 2: cut nearly, not even a fraction really of what Jacinda

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Speaker 2: and Grant piled in in terms of public servants.

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Speaker 20: Well, we have cut both the absolute number of public

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Speaker 20: side how many more than by more than two thousand

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Speaker 20: from its peak.

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Speaker 2: Let me out break that down how many though exactly

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Speaker 2: how it's important to say how many they added? They

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Speaker 2: added more than fourteen thousand, and you've only.

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Speaker 20: Cut two That's right. Our focus has been making sure

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Speaker 20: that we reduce the number of people and back office roles,

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Speaker 20: so the numbers there have come down quite a lot

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Speaker 20: more dramatically, whether that's admin staff, managers, policy analysts. But

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Speaker 20: we have increased, for example, the number of corrections officers,

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Speaker 20: that is the number of people in our prisons because

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Speaker 20: we're locking up criminals for longer when they violently offend

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Speaker 20: against people. So while some of those roles have increased,

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Speaker 20: on the front line office has been shrunk. Pretty certificate fairy.

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Speaker 20: Theres more work we can do there to be.

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Speaker 2: Fair that when we look at these numbers that you

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Speaker 2: talk about the front the front line does not increase

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Speaker 2: by anything like fourteen or twelve thousand.

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Speaker 20: Well, it didn't over the time that labor were an offer.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying to you is you're fudging it slightly

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Speaker 2: by suggesting that you have cut really, really deep and

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Speaker 2: then increased the front line by a lot. You haven't.

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Speaker 20: Actually, Well, we have cut the number of back office

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Speaker 20: rolls while also reducing the bill for external consultants and

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Speaker 20: contractors by around nine hundred million over the past couple

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Speaker 20: of years. For the again for context, the last National government,

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Speaker 20: all they did was cap the number of public servants.

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Speaker 20: They certainly didn't reduce it in ka terms. What about

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Speaker 20: what we've achieved so far?

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Speaker 2: What about the free year of university to students, which

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Speaker 2: which has been criticized. It's a flop, it doesn't encourage enrollment.

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Speaker 2: Why don't you cut that?

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Speaker 20: Well, we've done what we said we would in our

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Speaker 20: coalition agreement with New Zealand first, which was we took

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Speaker 20: the very ineffective first year at fees free and we

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Speaker 20: made it final years fees free. So you only get

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Speaker 20: those free fees if you actually have you.

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Speaker 2: Asked to Winston? Have you asked Winston if he would

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Speaker 2: be okay with you cutting it all together?

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Speaker 20: I'm happy to put that question to him.

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Speaker 2: How have you not put that question to him? Nikola?

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Speaker 2: I've been asking you about this for.

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Speaker 20: Two years because the way the Coalition agreement works is

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Speaker 20: the commitments as they are in writing, is the commitments

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Speaker 20: as we deliver them, and so the commitment there in

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Speaker 20: the coalition agreement.

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Speaker 2: Now he wanted to move from the first to the

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Speaker 2: third year because having it in the first year is stupid.

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Speaker 2: But he might be open to cutting it all together.

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Speaker 2: And if you did that, you would say about a

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Speaker 2: billion dollars and four years.

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Speaker 20: It's a question that I'm happy to put to him.

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Speaker 2: Okay, why don't you end the national ticketing system?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 2: Because Wellington's doing it itself. Now it's spending five point

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Speaker 2: five mil on it. But Laura in line to spend

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Speaker 2: one point four bill, why not cut it?

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Speaker 20: Well, I agree that that is an absolutely tormented project.

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Speaker 20: It's another one of the hospital passes that we have inherited.

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Speaker 20: That is something that Chris Bishop, as transferd Minister, is

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Speaker 20: looking very carefully at, because, like you, he can think

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Speaker 20: of a few better uses for more than a billion dollars,

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Speaker 20: and so he is examining carefully whether that's suspend that

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Speaker 20: we should be doing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, have you thought about stopping the welfare that you're

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Speaker 2: giving to parents who are earning combined more than two

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand dollars a year.

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Speaker 20: Well, primarily that comes through working for families, for which

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Speaker 20: support increases when people.

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Speaker 2: Have this is your family boost, right?

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Speaker 20: Well, no family boost is, yes, a payment that is

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Speaker 20: available to some people earning that amount in some circumstances,

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Speaker 20: if they have particularly high early childhood education.

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Speaker 2: Why not cut it? If you're on two hundred thousand,

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Speaker 2: you've got enough money.

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Speaker 20: Because we're actually investing around about exactly what we campaigned

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Speaker 20: on investing in that policy. We made a commitment to

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Speaker 20: working parents who have very high early childhood education costs

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Speaker 20: that we would refund a portion of those and we're

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Speaker 20: keeping that commitment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, have you thought about maybe income testing the

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Speaker 2: winter energy payment because there are people who are getting

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Speaker 2: it and using it to warm the pool.

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Speaker 20: Well, the Prime Minister sent out a commitment card prior

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Speaker 20: to the election and one of the commitments he made

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Speaker 20: was not to reduce the winter winter energy payment for superinutance.

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Speaker 20: You'll see a theme here which is where we've made

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Speaker 20: commitments to the New Zealand people, we think it's important

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Speaker 20: we keep them. And that's relevant not just for this

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Speaker 20: three years, it's actually relevant for the next elections.

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Speaker 2: Changed the change and the superlus has been pushed out

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Speaker 2: by three years, and maybe you need to start breaking

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Speaker 2: some promises and not wasting so much cash.

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Speaker 20: And we are forecasting a return to surplus and the

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Speaker 20: biggest risk to that is the election of a labor

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Speaker 20: government who have shown no inclination to do any ongoing

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Speaker 20: efficiency or savings. And so what I need to do

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Speaker 20: is ensure that our government is keeping its commitments to

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Speaker 20: people that it made and its campaign pledges, while also

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Speaker 20: doing an absolutely consistent drive for more savings. And there

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Speaker 20: will be more opportunities at the next election for people

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Speaker 20: to set out their store. And I tell you this,

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Speaker 20: the stall of the National Party is going to be

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Speaker 20: far more fiscally disciplined than labor have ever dreamed of,

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Speaker 20: even pretending to be.

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Speaker 2: All Right, Nichola, thank you very much for your time.

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Speaker 2: Have a lovely day. Nicola will as Finance Minister.

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Speaker 2: Done, Heather, after listening to that, I'm off to Australia. No,

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Speaker 2: don't do that, because Nichola is going to talk to

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Speaker 2: Winston about cutting the money. So it'll be okay. Eighteen

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Speaker 2: past seven. Now there may be something to the weeks

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Speaker 2: of allegations we've been hearing about the voter for auden Auckland.

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Speaker 2: A judge has avoided the results of the Puppa Toy

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Speaker 2: Toy subdivision in the Autarda Puppatoy Toy local board elections.

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Speaker 2: And this is after claims that seventy nine people didn't

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Speaker 2: vote even though votes were cast in their name. V

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Speaker 2: Hausier brought the case in as the former deputy chairman

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Speaker 2: of that local boarding with us hi Ve well, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So is basically what's been going on here is somebody

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Speaker 2: or groups have been going around stealing voting papers from letterboxes.

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Speaker 13: What we do know is that there was groups of

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Speaker 13: people who didn't cast a vote but showed as voting

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Speaker 13: in the system. There was also groups of people who

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Speaker 13: didn't receive the voting paper, made the effort to go

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Speaker 13: and cast a special vote, only to be told that

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Speaker 13: they had already had already voted.

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Speaker 2: Now we know of seventy nine. Is the suggestion that

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Speaker 2: it's bigger than that.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so I guess that's the postal ballot voting system.

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Speaker 13: It was really hard to It's easy to interfere with,

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Speaker 13: but half accountability to the numbers that we were able

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Speaker 13: to gether is a minimum, but we weren't able to

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Speaker 13: ring fence on maximums. That really kind of opened up

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Speaker 13: pendor's box. And as the judge described it in the hearing,

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Speaker 13: it was kind of like the tip of the iceberg.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, now, v this is a pretty good argument

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Speaker 2: for why we need to get rid of the postal

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Speaker 2: voting system, don't you think.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, the postal ballot voting system had known risks, and

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Speaker 13: everyone knew of the risks in caase with having a

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Speaker 13: postal ballot voting system. Unfortunately, in Papatoito, the risks that

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Speaker 13: we all knew of came to fuce and so it's

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Speaker 13: a bit unseiling. But I am feeling quite relieved that

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Speaker 13: the issues that were raised and experienced in the community

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Speaker 13: was brought to the forefront and the judge ultimately made

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Speaker 13: a ruling that I think put us in good position

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Speaker 13: to make some good changes about our electoral system and

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Speaker 13: to move away from the postal developed voting system.

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Speaker 2: All right, V, thank you very much for your time. V.

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Speaker 2: How is here? Former deputy chairman of the Altar of

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Speaker 2: Propatoritory Local Board hither That was better than I expect

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Speaker 2: the Ruth Richardson debate will be. Lindsey. That is absolutely

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent better than the debate is going to

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Speaker 2: be because the debate is now not going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Nicola Willis has won this one of them. I mean,

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Speaker 2: the wind goes to Nicola on this because Ruth Richardson

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Speaker 2: has chicken out. She put out a statement yesterday pulling

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Speaker 2: out of the debate, which I'm sorry to say makes

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Speaker 2: the Taxpayers Union look utterly ridiculous. In this for all

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Speaker 2: the time that they took up in the media, calling

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Speaker 2: out in Nicoller and challenging her to a debate and

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Speaker 2: saying they she said anywhere anytime, will be there anywhere anytime.

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Speaker 2: Well it turns out now they're not going to be

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Speaker 2: anywhere anytime. They're not doing anything. They are sissies now.

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Speaker 2: I suspect what they've done as they've realized. Yep, the

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Speaker 2: debate wasn't going to be great for Nicola, but it

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Speaker 2: actually probably wasn't going to be great for them either.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know which is worse. Fronting up to

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Speaker 2: the debate that you've been harping on about for all

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Speaker 2: week or pulling out of the debate that you've been

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Speaker 2: harping on about for all week. I would say the latter.

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Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, chicken noise for them, win for Nichola.

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Speaker 2: Seven twenty one, the.

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Speaker 1: Mic asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on Aheart radio, how

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Speaker 1: if my news talks that'd be.

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Speaker 2: Heather Nicola didn't thrill me? That interestpill is going to

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Speaker 2: keep getting bigger. Yes it is. And I'll tell you what,

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Speaker 2: when you're borrowing to pay the interest bill on your

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Speaker 2: pre borrowing, you know you're in a little bit of trouble,

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Speaker 2: A like quite a big lot of trouble actually seven

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Speaker 2: twenty four now, David Seymour, I don't know that David

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Speaker 2: Seymore promising to revive the Treaty Principle's debate like he

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Speaker 2: is at the moment at next year's election is a

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Speaker 2: good idea for ACT at least. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: many voters it's going to win over because I don't

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Speaker 2: know how many voters will believe that's going to somehow

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Speaker 2: happen this time. I mean, what's actually changed, right, It's

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Speaker 2: most likely going to be the same three parties in

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Speaker 2: government after the next election, which are the same three

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Speaker 2: parties that didn't pass the Treaty Principles Build this term.

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Speaker 2: Chris Luxen will still most likely be the Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: after the next election, same prime minister who killed the

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Speaker 2: Treaty Principles Build this term. And if David Seymour couldn't

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Speaker 2: get it over the line when he actually had quite

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Speaker 2: a lot of leverage in the last lot of coalition negotiations,

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Speaker 2: why would he be able to get it over the

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Speaker 2: line a next year set of coalition negotiations when he

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Speaker 2: will presumably have diminished leverage. I think also part of

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Speaker 2: the problem here is that voters are over it. I

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Speaker 2: don't know about you, but I'm starting to get to

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Speaker 2: that point. I mean, I think some voters are less

873
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 2: angry now that Willy Nanaia and not running the joint.

874
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: They're just going to take the wins they've already got,

875
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 2: bringing back the referenda on Maori wards at council level,

876
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 2: killing off the co governance in water. And I think

877
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: that there are some voters who are just disappointed that

878
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: for all of the big talk from this government on

879
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: the quiet, this stuff is still being waved through by

880
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,640
Speaker 2: the very government that David Seymour is part of co

881
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 2: governance stuff in Auckland's White Target he's waved through. Just

882
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: the other day we got two seats on Wellington Waters

883
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 2: new governance body just waved through. Now Seymour's got a

884
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 2: really big job on this if he wants voters to

885
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 2: a care again and b believe him that he's actually

886
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,239
Speaker 2: going to make the change unlike last time together do

887
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 2: for see Allen um Heather. No government is ever going

888
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 2: to deliver the cuts required because, as the polls show,

889
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: we've got a large proportion of the population who just

890
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 2: aren't smart enough to stomach the truth. Penny, I think

891
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: you're onto something because then you get a text like

892
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,439
Speaker 2: this morning, Heather, as a parent of a young child

893
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: in kindy, the quarterly amount that we get back is

894
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,720
Speaker 2: so helpful. We got no tax breaks under the previous government.

895
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: This one helps a lot, Heather. It's more important to

896
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 2: warm the pool. You get more exercise and health for

897
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: a longer season, and that reduces pressure on the health system.

898
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: Lort you you live in a high decile part of

899
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: the country, don't you, Heather? How could that question not

900
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 2: be asked of Winston over the last two years? What

901
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 2: does Nicola Dilda? I don't know. I can't explain that.

902
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 2: I mean that seems like an obvious and easy cost

903
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: saving that would absolutely thrill center right voters. Anyway, listen

904
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 2: yesterday on the show, I said something that John Howard. Then,

905
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: when I'm not taking credit for it, I mean John

906
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 2: Howard like I'm not suggesting John Howard is a secret

907
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 2: listener to news Talk ZB in the early hours of

908
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 2: the morning in Australia. But John Howard has said exactly

909
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: the same thing that I said on the show this

910
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 2: time yesterday which is that Anthony Albanezi reacting to Bondi

911
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,680
Speaker 2: by immediately tightening up the already tight gun laws is

912
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 2: quote an attempted diversion. He says the focus on guns

913
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: should not be used as a pretext to avoid the

914
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 2: broader debate about the spread of hatred, hatred of ju

915
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 2: Wish people and anti Semitism. Now, if John Howard is

916
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: saying that as the guy who did the first lot

917
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: of gun tightening, gun law tightening, it counts for something.

918
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: He's had a real crack at Albanesi over. Albanzi is

919
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: under a lot of pressure. By the way, in Australia

920
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,239
Speaker 2: on this front, it was predictable from the start of

921
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 2: this massacre. We're going to talk about that shortly. But

922
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: Scott Dixon is with us. Next.

923
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:21,280
Speaker 3: News Dogs eb.

924
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 1: Tough on Power, Sharp on Insight, Heather duple c Allen

925
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate, doing

926
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: real estate differently since nineteen seventy three.

927
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 3: News Dogs head be Jimmy and Mark.

928
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: We do politics Wednesday for US after eight o'clock, but

929
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 2: right now at twenty three away from eight, it's a

930
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: big day of New Zealand motorsport. The Sir Colin Giltrap Raceway,

931
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 2: which is a world class charting for somebody in Auckland,

932
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: is officially opening now. The track builds on New Zealand

933
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: strong karting heritage and pathway to the world stage. It

934
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,120
Speaker 2: will be opened by six time Indie Car champion Scott Dixon,

935
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 2: fifty nine career wins, the first key we to win

936
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 2: the Indy five hundred and Fresh Office twenty fourth season

937
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: and Scott Dixon is with us.

938
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 14: Morning, Scott, good morning. It's good to be back home.

939
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 21: It's been a little bit for me, so it's nice

940
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 21: to have a nice little rain show just recently here

941
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 21: in East Auckland and looking forward to getting out to

942
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 21: the go kart track a bit later.

943
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 2: I would have loved you to have arrived to a

944
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: lovely New Zealand summer, but unfortunately you've come just as

945
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: the cold snaps come through. But you just hang in there, Scott.

946
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,279
Speaker 2: It won't belong here.

947
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 14: It's clan, it's Colin. Don't worry now, have you.

948
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 2: If you've just landed, you haven't had a chance to

949
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: look at this track yet, have you.

950
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 14: No.

951
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 21: We got in kind of late last night and then

952
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,359
Speaker 21: we'll head out there this morning. You know, I think

953
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 21: it's huge and obviously I've heard you know about the

954
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 21: circuit through the Cunninghams and the people that have been

955
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 21: building it and cart sport and obviously you know the

956
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 21: girl traps as well for many years. But it's fantastic

957
00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 21: that they've been able to get this development finished and

958
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,880
Speaker 21: it's going to be huge definitely for you know, the

959
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 21: young talent that we have in New Zealand, and I

960
00:47:03,600 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 21: think when you look at New Zealand across many you know,

961
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 21: sporting achievements, we pack a big punch for such a

962
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 21: small country and motor racing with the heritage that we've

963
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 21: had here from you know, the early days of Bruce McLaren,

964
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 21: the tradition has been strong. So it's really really great

965
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 21: to see, you know that everybody has finally pulled this off.

966
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 2: One of the lads was just saying to me earlier

967
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: in the news break that we don't actually have a

968
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: track like this, of this, of this world class standard

969
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 2: in Auckland. Is that the case?

970
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 21: Yeah, I think it's you know, it to get to

971
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,280
Speaker 21: different levels, whether it's you know for if I events

972
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 21: or or you know carting or championships and things like that.

973
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 21: Most of that is held in Europe for obvious reasons

974
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 21: and always has been. But I think, you know, back

975
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 21: even if you look at you know, higher categories to

976
00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 21: to you know, the Tasman Series and when if one

977
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 21: drivers used to come down here, you know, to have

978
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 21: this kind of facility now, I think for for young carters.

979
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 21: You know, I even remember at my you know kind

980
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 21: of starting point eight through ten. You know, you do

981
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 21: trips to get to you know, world class circuits in

982
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 21: Australia and then you know, around the world. But to

983
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 21: finally have one here in New Zealand, I think it's

984
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,439
Speaker 21: going to be a destination. And what's really cool about

985
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 21: Australia and New Zealand obviously being southern hemispheres, that it's

986
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 21: the opposite weather and things like that. So you can

987
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 21: have championships where you know, you can have some amazing

988
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 21: talent from Europe and America come down and actually race

989
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 21: and some some great championships.

990
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and presumably as a result of that, we only

991
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 2: get better and better, and we're already so fantastic around

992
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,840
Speaker 2: the world. Litersen tell me you, I'm fascinated by the

993
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,960
Speaker 2: fact that you are still doing what you're doing at

994
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 2: the level that you're doing at your age. What is

995
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 2: it that motivates you?

996
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,560
Speaker 21: I just love it, you know, I think for me,

997
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 21: you know, it's it's kind of that key we never

998
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,560
Speaker 21: give up style as well and not you know, we're

999
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 21: still winning, which is which is we're in a sport

1000
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:48,239
Speaker 21: of winning.

1001
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 14: If you're not winning, you're going to be out.

1002
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 21: You know, to have twenty one consecutive seasons last or

1003
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 21: this year with at least one win, you know, I

1004
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,839
Speaker 21: think the record was blown out maybe three or four

1005
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 21: years ago. This year we had the record for most

1006
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 21: podiums ever in IndyCar history, you know, a couple of

1007
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 21: years back that most laps led ever at the end

1008
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 21: OUTUS five hundred, which that record will never never be broken,

1009
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 21: which is you know, one hundred and ten year tradition.

1010
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,879
Speaker 14: So it's for me, it's it's the competition.

1011
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 21: You know, I love just I hate getting beat, so

1012
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 21: that's the biggest thing, and just wanting to win. Obviously

1013
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 21: this year with my teammate, had a steal a year,

1014
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 21: so definitely have to step it up for next year

1015
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 21: to try and go after that seventh championship.

1016
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 14: You know, in IndyCar. But no, I just love it.

1017
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:30,240
Speaker 14: I love racing.

1018
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 21: I've been given an opportunity by so many great you know,

1019
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 21: family members, to supporters that I had here in New

1020
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 21: Zealand that you know, including the gil Traps in PJ

1021
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,520
Speaker 21: and Craig Harrison, Kenny Smith. You know that the list

1022
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,800
Speaker 21: goes on that that enabled me. And I want to

1023
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 21: make you know, I want to make it worthwhile for everybody.

1024
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 2: Is it hard on the body, I mean, what are

1025
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 2: you forty five?

1026
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 14: Yeah, you know, just a young young forty five.

1027
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,760
Speaker 21: You know, I feel probably still in my early twenties

1028
00:49:55,960 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 21: in the mind.

1029
00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 2: But but Scott, don't you feel it in your knees

1030
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: sometimes when you get up or diligy hip drops out.

1031
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 21: Yeah, I do a lot of those, you know kind

1032
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 21: of getting up and you know, those those groans. But no,

1033
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 21: you know, I've been I've been fortunate. You know, we're

1034
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 21: with with injuries and you know, obviously in IndyCar too,

1035
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 21: the crashes can be pretty big. But lucky on that

1036
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 21: side of things. But no, I love I love training.

1037
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 21: I love the preparation, you know, I love just being

1038
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 21: prepared and I think that's really helped the longevity of

1039
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 21: my career for sure, So I do know that, you know,

1040
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 21: I've got far less years left than when I first started,

1041
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 21: and I just want to make the most of it

1042
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 21: and I love doing what I do.

1043
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: Is there a point, like, how do you know when

1044
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 2: you're finished?

1045
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 21: I think I think it's you know, you probably get

1046
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 21: tired or you start noticing the small things kind of

1047
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 21: annoy you. Yeah, you know, for me, the racing is

1048
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 21: still what I love the most. Okay, yes we have,

1049
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 21: you know, a lot of other things around it. You know,

1050
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 21: the driving part is so small now. I think when

1051
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 21: you look at the whole scheme of things, and then

1052
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 21: if you just getting you're getting beat so often, you know,

1053
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 21: I think that's probably a pretty good time to hang

1054
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 21: it up. So you know, for me, even with a

1055
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 21: horrible season last year with so many penalties and engine

1056
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 21: issues and things like that, you know, we still finished

1057
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 21: it in the championship, so you know, we we're still

1058
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 21: running strong. And for me, you know, we're still winning

1059
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 21: and that's the main thing. So I think you'll know,

1060
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 21: you know, I think it's different for everybody, but but

1061
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 21: I'll definitely know when it comes from.

1062
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want you to think that I'm trying

1063
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: to sort of like get you to think about it.

1064
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 2: It's just that it's just that you are, like, it's

1065
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: quite remarkable the records that you are setting. Tell me something,

1066
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 2: Why do you think we're so good at racing.

1067
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 14: I think it's somewhat of a mindset.

1068
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 21: But honestly, we have really good facilities, better facilities coming.

1069
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 21: You know, I think we're we're in a lucky portion

1070
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 21: even through my junior categories where I was talking about,

1071
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 21: you know, the Southern hemisphere where you can have a

1072
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:46,479
Speaker 21: lot of internationals that come down.

1073
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 14: You know, it's very rare that you have that level.

1074
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 21: And you know with the Toyota series down here, you know,

1075
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 21: Formula Forward and you know Formula B.

1076
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 14: For me, you know, you still.

1077
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 21: Had a very very high caliber of you know, driver

1078
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 21: talent that you competed against and you could really see

1079
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 21: where you stood. And then I think, I don't know,

1080
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 21: it's just that it's the mindset to Quis are pretty relaxed,

1081
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:10,959
Speaker 21: but they work extremely hard. And I think that goes

1082
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 21: not just for the drivers around the world, but the

1083
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 21: mechanics and you know, even on the technical side and engineering.

1084
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,880
Speaker 21: You know, Keyi's a really loved in the world of

1085
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 21: motor support. So you know, there's a lot of great

1086
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Speaker 21: attributes for that, but yeah, I don't know. We've got

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Speaker 21: a lot of great talent down here.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. I'm so pleased to hear that you think that, Scott,

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Speaker 2: and thank you so much for talking to us. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: your day and enjoy your key. We some of that

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Speaker 2: is Scott Dixon, indiecar champion and just honestly turning into

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Speaker 2: something of a ghost, isn't he sixteen away from at.

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Speaker 1: The Mike asking Breakers a full show podcast on iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 1: how it by News Talks it be.

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Speaker 20: Here.

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Speaker 2: The Scott Dixon is an absolute legend, absolutely here the

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00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: perhaps Ruth Richardson pulled out of that debate because she

1098
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Speaker 2: realizes how damaging it could be to the current government.

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Speaker 2: And I doubt the Taxpayers Union would like to see

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Speaker 2: Labor lead government at the next election. This is a

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00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 2: thing Chris Luckxen was pulling this one last week for

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00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: the knee when he was in studio, and then Nikola

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00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: did the same thing just before. No, you can't criticize us.

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Speaker 2: You might get Labor what a load of bs. No,

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00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,200
Speaker 2: you won't. That is not the most likely outcome of

1106
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 2: having a crack at the National Party. We're not all

1107
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 2: of a sudden going to look at Chippy and Babs

1108
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: Babs Edmonds and be like that looks like bet because

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Speaker 2: you haven't forgotten that was a crock when it was

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Speaker 2: in last time. No, the most likely outcome is that

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00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 2: National gets back in with ACT and New Zealand First.

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Speaker 2: But if National doesn't pull it socks up and start

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Speaker 2: running these books properly, the votes bleed out of National

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00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 2: into ACT and New Zealand First. You're already seen that

1115
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,959
Speaker 2: with New Zealand First going up in the polls. Act

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00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 2: is a little bit more difficult because you know there's

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00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 2: some they've been a little annoying in the last couple

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Speaker 2: of years. But I think you're more likely to see

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00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 2: a diminished National Party in the current setup than you

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Speaker 2: are to see a complete switch to Labor. So I

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Speaker 2: just just remember that when they use that line on you. Now,

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00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 2: twelve away from eight, I'm getting a lot of texts

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Speaker 2: still about where are the Greens, where's Chloe? And I

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Speaker 2: have to say I was disappointed yesterday it was the

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Speaker 2: first sitting day of Parliament and so Chloe was back

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Speaker 2: at Parliament first time since the massacre, and I thought,

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Speaker 2: surely the press gallery will bailor up ask her a

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Speaker 2: few questions about whether she needs to tone down the

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Speaker 2: anti Semitic rhetoric, because let's be clear about it, Chloe

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Speaker 2: is the one who went out there and publicly said

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Speaker 2: from the river to the sea blah blah blah, which

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Speaker 2: we know is interpreted in the most radical interpretation as

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00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 2: being basically, you know, Jewish people need to die. Now

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Speaker 2: that is the most radical interpretation, but a lot of

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Speaker 2: people do interpret it like that. Anyway, I thought, surely

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Speaker 2: somebody's going to ask her no questions that are reported not.

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Speaker 2: I can't see any reporting of Chloe being pressed on

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Speaker 2: whether she will tone down the anti Semitic rhetoric as

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Speaker 2: a result of what happened in BONDI I went an

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Speaker 2: out of look on our instagram. Nothing I can see

1141
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:50,840
Speaker 2: that's not saying anything publicly watched the entire speech in parliament.

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Speaker 2: Nothing that I can see did notsis though not a

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Speaker 2: Palestinian scarf in sight with the Green Party yesterday, which

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00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: is appropriate, I would, I think so anyway, bit of

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Speaker 2: disappointment on that front. However, I will make this prediction

1146
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Speaker 2: for you that. I don't think that those words will

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00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: be crossing Chloe's lips anytime soon, if ever again, because

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Speaker 2: I think what we learned with BONDI is actually, if

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00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: you tolerate anti Semitism, right, if you keep on just

1150
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 2: ignoring it, what is coming out of people's mouths and

1151
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,839
Speaker 2: the low level stuff that happens, you keep on ignoring it,

1152
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,319
Speaker 2: at some stage it does become probably something like this.

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Speaker 2: The Jews in Australia have been warning about this for

1154
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Speaker 2: a very long time. What is interesting to note is

1155
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,800
Speaker 2: that everybody around the world seems to be going, whoop,

1156
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: we need to change course here. Do you remember the

1157
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: little blonde chap who's at Oxford University is one of

1158
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Speaker 2: the students. In October o, footage emerged of him and

1159
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,760
Speaker 2: it went global, him shouting out Gaza, Gaza, make us proud,

1160
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Speaker 2: put the Zio's in the ground. Do you remember that guy?

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Speaker 2: But basically what he was saying is like keell Jewish

1162
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,440
Speaker 2: people right, that guy. Nothing has been done to him.

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00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: I think Oxford suspended him, but other than that, he

1164
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 2: was cruising around having a good time. Even though he

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00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 2: did that in October, last night cops knocked his door,

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Speaker 2: charged him. So all of a sudden, you can see

1167
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 2: people have realized, Okay, can't be tolerating this, so watch

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00:56:07,560 --> 00:56:09,839
Speaker 2: those words will not be said and the rhetoric will

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Speaker 2: be toned down by the Green Party in New Zealand massively.

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Speaker 1: Ten Away from eight Heather dupericl and on the My

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Speaker 1: Tasking Breakfast with the Defender and News Talks Dead b.

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Speaker 2: Heather, why don't you get Chloe on your show? Alistair,

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Speaker 2: I should have mentioned that we did dry but Chloe said,

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Speaker 2: you know, she said no, didn't She sticks away from eight?

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Speaker 2: Now I got a possible win for the General Practice

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Speaker 2: Owners Association. They reckon. They've had some really big interest

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Speaker 2: from GPS and setting up their own PHO primary health

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Speaker 2: organization to take on the big private guys. Dr and

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Speaker 2: Angus Chambers is the chair of the General Practice Owners

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Speaker 2: Association and with us Morning Angers.

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Speaker 15: Good Morning.

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Speaker 2: So I was reading some we y had about one

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Speaker 2: hundred and sixteen different GP practice is interested. Can you

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Speaker 2: actually handle a number that big?

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Speaker 15: Well, yes, I believe we can, but of course is

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Speaker 15: an unknown because this is a brand new organization. So

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Speaker 15: we've got a lot of ex experience within our network

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Speaker 15: and some good people. So I believe we can achieve

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Speaker 15: that goal.

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Speaker 2: You would all worried that Health New Zealand won't say yes,

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Speaker 2: or is it just a box ticking exercise. You're fill

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Speaker 2: in the forms, you send them and they go yep,

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Speaker 2: off you go.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Well it's a little bit more complicated that. But yes, Look,

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Speaker 15: I do believe that they'll approve it. I mean, I

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Speaker 15: think it's been difficult for them. They're stretched organization, they've

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Speaker 15: got trouble making decisions sometimes. But we believe we've fulfilled

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Speaker 15: all the requirements. But yes, there's a possibility they won't

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Speaker 15: approve it. But when you see the level of interest,

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Speaker 15: it would be I think brave to ignore that kind

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Speaker 15: of pressure from the general practice community.

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Speaker 2: What is motivating these guys to be so interested?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, look, I think there's quite a few factors, but

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Speaker 15: I'd like to say number one is a kind of

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Speaker 15: a belief in our philosophies and our ability to deliver.

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Speaker 15: So just to correct your jenper is actually not forming

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Speaker 15: a PHR itself. That's kind of seed funded and facilitated

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Speaker 15: the forming of an affiliate gy PHO. But look, there's

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Speaker 15: widespread satisfaction within the general practice community and some of

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Speaker 15: it's because PHOS have somewhat gone off their path, we believe,

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Speaker 15: and are doing things that aren't the best for the

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Speaker 15: general practices. And look, in amongst it all, we've had

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Speaker 15: years of underbuding, extremely woeful workforce planning, which led to

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Speaker 15: some crisis crises that we're all well aware of. I

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Speaker 15: think PHOS are slightly wearing the heat from that because

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Speaker 15: of the general difficulties in providing a great service.

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Speaker 2: Hey, well, good luck with it, angus, and thanks for

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Speaker 2: keeping us in the Look the Tanngers Chambers, excuse me,

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Speaker 2: chair of the General Practice Owners Association, Lord, I should

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Speaker 2: have asked him about that while I had him as

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Speaker 2: a GP developed a cough overnight, I might be doing

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Speaker 2: I think I'm dying. I've got some fantastic numbers for

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Speaker 2: you on retail crime. By the way, this has come

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Speaker 2: from Aura. Now Aura is Jenny loves Aura, because Jenny

1225
00:58:58,600 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: set the Aura up. Remember when you like, Oh, they

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00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 2: only reason the retail crime has gone up because Aura

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Speaker 2: is reporting all of it.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Aura now reckons that the National Party and the Coalition

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Speaker 2: government's doing fantastic I'll put the words in their mouths,

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Speaker 2: fantastic job. Because we've had a massive fall in retail

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Speaker 2: crime that involves violence. Offenses with weapons down twelve percent,

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Speaker 2: involving violence down six percent, retail crime involving threats down

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Speaker 2: five percent. Good news is this buck's the trend right,

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00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,480
Speaker 2: because we've been going up to since then and Australia

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00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: is still going up and we're going down now. One

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00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 2: year doesn't make a trend. Obviously one year is not

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Speaker 2: a pattern, but it might indicate we're doing something right,

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Speaker 2: So you know, we'll ask you. And I noticed that

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Speaker 2: the media reporting it today had an extensive quote from

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00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell crowing about it, and then Ginny had been

1242
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: approached for comments and said nothing. Well, here's her chance,

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Speaker 2: they with us next.

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Speaker 3: Opinion edit informed under apologetic.

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Speaker 1: If here the duplessy Allen on the mic Hosking Breakfast

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Speaker 1: with a Vita Retirement Communities, Life Your Way news.

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Speaker 18: Talks, he'd be Well, the family drove in for the

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Speaker 18: holidays from three different time zones and five different steeds,

1249
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Speaker 18: and this Christmas is going to be.

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Speaker 22: A nightmare. Well, my brother in law had Nick point

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Speaker 22: b through back.

1252
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 2: Glenn reckons this could well become the next Grandma Gramdma

1253
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: gout run over blah blah because it's awesome. This is

1254
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: Brad Paisley. The song is called Let's Cry, Here's Laugh.

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Speaker 2: I mean I think I probably guess because who hasn't

1256
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Speaker 2: been at that Christmas where someone gets lit in the

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Speaker 2: next minute. It's not a great time. Any everything is ruined.

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Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, Ginny Anderson Politics Wednesday with Us. Now, how

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Speaker 2: are you too?

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Speaker 20: Morning, Heather, Good morning Jenny.

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Speaker 2: You'll never have been at a party like one.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, sometimes the family ones can get you know,

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Speaker 8: the other worse ones sometimes, aren't they?

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Speaker 23: Are they?

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Speaker 2: What happens? Ginny? What happens?

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Speaker 8: You always have that there's an uncle or an auntie,

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Speaker 8: you know, and they sort of just have a couple

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Speaker 8: of months. You too many? You don't have those in

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Speaker 8: your family?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean my family is part half my

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01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,760
Speaker 2: family is from South Africa, so I can probably guess

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Speaker 2: what my uncle's like. And we all sit there going wow,

1273
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 2: like this is just you need to lay off those

1274
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,000
Speaker 2: those castle lagers.

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Speaker 3: Mitch.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to ask you. I don't want to

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Speaker 2: embarrass you to. Ginny's already taken one for the team. Actually, Ginny,

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Speaker 2: what about those retail crime numbers?

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Speaker 8: Look, it's encouraging. We didn't set up or Or is

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Speaker 8: a private business, and so didn't they bring it to

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01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 8: increase the reporting. No, no, no, they're a private business.

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Speaker 24: They set themselves up, they started in twenty fourteen. I've

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 24: sort of been on their journey a bit with them.

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Speaker 24: Amazing company, great New Zealand story, great people of the

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Speaker 24: Prime Minister, and I were at your new office last week.

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Speaker 24: They're great partners with police and yes, really encouraging to

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01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 24: see the numbers. Still a lot more to do, but

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Speaker 24: really good to see those violent crime stats coming down.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, guny, are you going to congratulate Mitchi's obviously doing

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Speaker 2: some awesome work.

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Speaker 8: Well, it's good. It is good to see. I mean

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Speaker 8: we think, well, maybe it'd be better if they've got

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Speaker 8: the five hundred cops. But he's doing good. It's encouraging.

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Speaker 8: It's encouraging to see those numbers. And we saw globally

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Speaker 8: post COVID just weird spikes of really straight up crime,

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Speaker 8: and it's nice to see that we're actually doing better

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Speaker 8: than Australia in this space. I think things not having

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Speaker 8: good police in place, but also having things like facial

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Speaker 8: recognition has really changed, so some of those technology changes

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Speaker 8: we've seen in the past while have also I think

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Speaker 8: helped to improve because that's deff and what retailers tell.

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Speaker 2: Me, now, Mitch, what are we going to do about

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Speaker 2: the government books? What are you prepared to cut out

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Speaker 2: of your portfolios to save us in dollars?

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Speaker 24: Well, we've already made big cuts. When we came into government,

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Speaker 24: we had to go through and we made significant cuts.

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Speaker 24: I had to do that in all of my port

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Speaker 24: files except for emergency management, and quite simply we were

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Speaker 24: just we cut. We had to cut back office expenditure

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Speaker 24: and read proprioritize and take that investment onto the front line.

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Speaker 24: And we have been doing that. But we've been said that,

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Speaker 24: We've been very clear and Nicholas been very clear that

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Speaker 24: we're going to make the cuts, but we're going to

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Speaker 24: do it in a measured way so that we don't

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Speaker 24: go into hard austerity and we don't cause more harm

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Speaker 24: and more pain to the country than is necessary.

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Speaker 2: And we can't carry on the way that we are

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Speaker 2: right because we're in the red for the rest of

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Speaker 2: the decade and we're just borrowing to actually pay for

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Speaker 2: the borrowing.

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Speaker 24: Now there's there's a pathway back to surplus, and we

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Speaker 24: are committed to making sure that we're disciplined and we

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Speaker 24: stay on that pathway back to surplus.

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Speaker 3: And that's the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: Jinny, are you still there? I heard a phone go beep.

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Speaker 8: That's me sorry, that's that was someone trying to call me.

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Speaker 3: Who was calling you?

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Speaker 2: Was it Chippy?

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Speaker 8: It was my son Jack Holidays going to take joy

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Speaker 8: asking for something. It's that Jack, amzi Bee.

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Speaker 2: So how old is Jack?

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Speaker 8: Jack is thirteen?

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Speaker 2: So it never it doesn't even stop at thirteen. Th

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Speaker 2: Still it's the phone at thirteen?

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Speaker 8: Ny, he well he has, yes, he does.

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Speaker 2: And does he have access to the social media?

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Speaker 10: No?

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Speaker 8: He does not.

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Speaker 10: He does not have.

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Speaker 2: Is this a family rule?

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Speaker 20: Is it?

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Speaker 8: I just think you're too young. I don't want them

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Speaker 8: seeing silly stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: How hard is that for you to enforce?

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Speaker 8: It's not easy. You have the odd fight, But I'm

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Speaker 8: pretty strong in it. I mean, as a lot of

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Speaker 8: page you get to say that the sort of sharp

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Speaker 8: end of when things go wrong with with local kids

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Speaker 8: in high schools with social media, and that really made

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Speaker 8: me realize that, you know, I definitely don't want my

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Speaker 8: kids being exposed to that. If I can help it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. So if the National Party gets the courage

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Speaker 2: to actually follow that Albanese government and and the social

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Speaker 2: media for the kids under sixteen, would you support that?

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Speaker 8: I think it's a good measure for Pearans to do it.

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Speaker 8: Like I think from what I've heard from Australians and

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Speaker 8: people an it gives parents a good ability to say, hey,

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Speaker 8: look is the rule in place, you can't have it.

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Speaker 8: I think realistically enforcing it it's going to be a

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Speaker 8: different story.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so good.

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Speaker 8: It's a good measure, but I think to be practical

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Speaker 8: if you really think you're going to keep all with

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Speaker 8: sixteen year olds off social media?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but would they be support it? Would you guys?

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Speaker 2: Would you guys? Because the Act is going to be

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Speaker 2: a brat about it, so you're going to cross the

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Speaker 2: house and help them?

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Speaker 8: Well, that's what we're supportive of it. We think there

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Speaker 8: needs to be more done as well, and where you

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Speaker 8: saw the Select Committee inquiry had some really good outcomes

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Speaker 8: in that, so we're generally supportive of it. We want

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Speaker 8: something that's practically workable as well.

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Speaker 2: Now, Jeannett, sorry, we got distracted by Jack. Look at

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Speaker 2: what he did.

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Speaker 8: So I'm really hoping it doesn't call back here.

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Speaker 2: If there's anything like like the males of my family,

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Speaker 2: it will just be persistent until they get you on

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Speaker 2: the phone. What I was going to actually ask you

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Speaker 2: is what would you be prepared to cut to save

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Speaker 2: the government books?

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Speaker 8: You're asking me? I think the first point is that

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Speaker 8: Nicola made this measure up Obi gl X right to

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Speaker 8: get them into twenty six twenty seven surplus. And even

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Speaker 8: with the made up measure, it still won't happen until

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Speaker 8: twenty nine thirty. So it's really problematic. The fact that

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Speaker 8: the promise of making things better and cutting things was

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Speaker 8: going to help, and cutting things hasn't helped. It's actually

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Speaker 8: driven down the economy. It's lost more jobs.

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Speaker 2: It all come on, now, the economy has been driven down.

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Speaker 2: Adrian or who forced a recession? I mean, these guys

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Speaker 2: are hardly cutting anything that's been more than you lot.

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Speaker 8: I'll take you, I'll take you for a magian and

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Speaker 8: you can see, you can see the businesses of how

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Speaker 8: much of that was Tory though, how much my Tories

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Speaker 8: they did the lot, No, not Tories.

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Speaker 2: The collective, just the one.

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Speaker 24: What were you going to say, Mitch, Well, she didn't

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Speaker 24: answer the question when you said, what would you cut

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Speaker 24: and she's not going to give you an answer. The

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Speaker 24: reality is they're going to increase texas, They're going to

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Speaker 24: borrow more, they're going to spend more, and they're going

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Speaker 24: to put us right back in the situation that we

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Speaker 24: inherited to you ago and that we're working hard to

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Speaker 24: get ourselves out, well, drive ourselves out of. And just

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Speaker 24: think back to seven plus percent interest rates, think back

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Speaker 24: to a mess of increase and cost.

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Speaker 3: Of living and inflation.

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Speaker 24: You know that they're don't have to think we're tracking

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Speaker 24: in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: And guys, I do have to take a break. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to get in trouble with Glenn Hang and it

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Speaker 2: takes eight. It's fourteen past eight.

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Speaker 1: The Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show podcast on a hard

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Speaker 2: Right seventeen Pass Out Your Back with Politics Wednesday, Mark Mitchell,

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Speaker 2: Ginny Anderson, Mitch, what did you think when you saw

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Speaker 2: David Seymore say he's bringing that the treaty principals debate.

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Speaker 24: Oh, I just I didn't pay any attention to that.

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Speaker 24: We're not going anywhere near that as the national Party.

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Speaker 24: So that's something he can talk about but you know,

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Speaker 24: we've got no focus on that at all. We're focused

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Speaker 24: on the economy, law and order, education and health.

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Speaker 2: So that's changed. He's not going to get this over

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Speaker 2: the line. You guys are not going to support this.

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Speaker 2: He can talk about it all he likes, but to

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Speaker 2: end up the same place it has this time.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, we're just not speaking about that. He could talk

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Speaker 24: about it, but no, we're not interested in it at all.

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine it's going to go anywhere. Then what

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Speaker 2: do you make Jenny of the Taxpayer's Union chickening out

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Speaker 2: with Nicola Willis?

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Speaker 8: I don't know. It's an odd one, isn't it. We

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Speaker 8: all got little packets of FUDG for Christmas from you.

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Speaker 8: Fudg's written on it.

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Speaker 17: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I think it's kind of a bit of a distraction

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Speaker 8: really and trying to take away from the fact the

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Speaker 8: cost of loving is really huoting so many New Zealanders

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Speaker 8: right now. And I think that that's what hasn't changed,

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Speaker 8: That there was a promise that things will get better

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Speaker 8: in that space, and quite simply coming into Christmas, people

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Speaker 8: are really feeling it. So I think it's I think

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Speaker 8: it's just a distraction to be friends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought it was great. I thought it was great.

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Speaker 24: I love the way Nicola came out and said, Okay,

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Speaker 24: you're going to run a campaign against You're going to

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Speaker 24: challenge me in terms of what I'm doing. We'll front up,

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Speaker 24: let's have a debate around it. So good Honor, absolutely,

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Speaker 24: one hundred percent, So good Honor, you know, and I

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Speaker 24: think that you know, show a bit assassin and got

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Speaker 24: out there and called them out, and I thought that

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Speaker 24: was great. And you know, that's that's that's that's a

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Speaker 24: great thing about our open democracy in New Zealand that

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Speaker 24: we can do that.

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Speaker 8: I mean, not letting people vote in the selection, letting.

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Speaker 14: People vote it used to be.

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Speaker 24: There's a responsibility that comes with that, Ginny. And if

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Speaker 24: people really take their vote seriously, I don't think it's

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Speaker 24: too big or impossible to getselves organized and get themselves

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Speaker 24: registered to vote. So we've we've we've we've let a

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Speaker 24: lot of blood in this country for the right to vote.

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Speaker 24: We've paid a high price for it, and we should

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Speaker 24: actually take it seriously and put a little bit of

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Speaker 24: effort into getting out there and getting registered a couple

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Speaker 24: of weeks before polling day to get out and use

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Speaker 24: your right tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Your phone has gone a bit funny, so I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you've gone.

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Speaker 8: I don't know why that is. I'm doing everything right

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Speaker 8: and no one's calling me stick hand in the air.

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Speaker 2: We'll touch a piece of metal and it might turn

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Speaker 2: into like you might extend yourself as an area that

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Speaker 2: right now, this is not science, Heather.

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Speaker 8: You wanted.

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Speaker 24: You wanted highlights and low lights from us.

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Speaker 3: Do you still want that?

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Speaker 20: Go on?

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Speaker 10: Then?

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Speaker 19: Why not?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 24: Well, so lowlight, they say, she not really a low light.

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Speaker 24: It was Jenny's continued offer to go to hot yoga

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Speaker 24: has been a bit of an interesting one for me.

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Speaker 24: I ever taken man Sarah as you know here that

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Speaker 24: she's the next police officer from the Mighty Northland. And

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Speaker 24: I listened to her counsel very carefully, and she's not

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Speaker 24: sure about these offers of hot yoga all the time.

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Speaker 9: The lowlight, the.

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Speaker 14: Low I'm not sure about that.

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Speaker 15: The lowlight like black shorts, the lowlight.

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Speaker 24: The lowlight for me obviously would be the loss of

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Speaker 24: Senior Sergeant Lynn Fleming on Newyear's Day this year. And

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Speaker 24: and I just want to make her I just want

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Speaker 24: to acknowledge Bryn her husband, Rayner and Aaron, her daughter

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Speaker 24: and son both Britain and are and are in the

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Speaker 24: police themselves. And of course Rayner Headlin's first little grandson,

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Speaker 24: Maniah in May of this year, it'll be their first

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Speaker 24: Christmas without her, and we can't remove their pain, but

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Speaker 24: we can certainly help carry.

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Speaker 3: It with them.

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Speaker 24: And I just want to give a shout out to

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Speaker 24: the now some police and Newson community in the whole

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Speaker 24: country that rallied around that family when they really needed it.

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Speaker 25: One thing to do that.

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Speaker 3: So that's my shout out.

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Speaker 2: All right, Jenny, it's your turn then.

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Speaker 8: Oh so Highlight, Highlight. I was pretty I've been got

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Speaker 8: great feedback from three free GP visits, so introducing a

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Speaker 8: clear way he will fund that through a CGT and

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Speaker 8: providing a pathway for affordable for free primary health care,

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Speaker 8: which has been long over due in New Zealand. So

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Speaker 8: I think there's many families wo are struggling with the

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Speaker 8: cost of living who have welcomed that change. Low Light

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Speaker 8: for me, My goodness. All the school lunches have been

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 8: ongoing with issues with kids getting burnt or just eating

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,240
Speaker 8: gross food or not eating them, so I think that's

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Speaker 8: been an ongoing real sad thing from what was a

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Speaker 8: nice thing that was happening. But I would probably have

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01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 8: to say that it's just the cost of living that

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01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,920
Speaker 8: continues to people at Christmas, So families going into Christmas

1523
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 8: not being able to afford Christmas presence. I know, the

1524
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:06,599
Speaker 8: Many family right up.

1525
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:09,880
Speaker 24: And hither hither just really, just really quickly, we saw

1526
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,200
Speaker 24: the tragedy unfold and bondo in the last sort of

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Speaker 24: seventy two hours. I just want to acknowledge our Jewish

1528
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 24: and Muslim leaders in our country because in July this year,

1529
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,560
Speaker 24: we all came together at Government House and signed what

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01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:23,559
Speaker 24: was called a Harmony Accord, and that is our leaders

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01:12:24,160 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 24: both in our Jewish and our Muslim community, sending a

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Speaker 24: really clear message to us as a country. We're going

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01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:30,640
Speaker 24: to do things a different way, and we're going to

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01:12:30,720 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 24: use dialogue, and I want to so I want to

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Speaker 24: acknowledge them in a particular. I want to acknowledge our

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01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,839
Speaker 24: Jewish community, whom we have wrecked around as much support

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01:12:38,920 --> 01:12:41,360
Speaker 24: and care as we can to make sure that they

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01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:45,040
Speaker 24: feel safe as we move into our Christmas and summer break.

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Speaker 2: I mean in richest great guys, listen, thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for being part of the show for the year,

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01:12:50,680 --> 01:12:52,439
Speaker 2: and Merry Christmas to the pair of you have a

1542
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 2: lovely summer break and Mike be talking as well.

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Speaker 8: It's Merry Christmas.

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01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 3: Thanks, Merry Christmas is.

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01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:02,560
Speaker 2: Mark Mitchell, Giney Anderson eight twenty to Heather Dupas.

1546
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Speaker 1: Allen on the mic asking Breakfast with Bailey's Real Estate

1547
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:06,559
Speaker 1: News Talk said, the.

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01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 2: Heather the big issue for Ginnya's school lunch has give

1549
01:13:10,280 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 2: me strength. I actually thought, I thought, oh, because I

1550
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 2: was playing the guests and game, what's gin I thought

1551
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,960
Speaker 2: she Oh, she'll say the Maldi party imploding before her eyes. No,

1552
01:13:19,439 --> 01:13:22,280
Speaker 2: not that heither. Listening to Ginny Anderson and Barbara Edwards

1553
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: criticizing a lack of growth is like listening to the

1554
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 2: arsonist criticizing the firefighters putting out a fire they started.

1555
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair few people thinking that heathern

1556
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: Nichola can do no wrong in my book. Did you

1557
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: see her on the red carpet over the weekend? Wow,

1558
01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:39,160
Speaker 2: she sets a high bar. Jack Jack, you absolute perv. However,

1559
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,680
Speaker 2: Nicola is looking awesome, and you know if you if

1560
01:13:42,760 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 2: you're I mean, what's what, Nah, It's fine, we can

1561
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,320
Speaker 2: we can do that. We can do this, we can

1562
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:49,320
Speaker 2: do this thing, we can do the objectification. It's fine

1563
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,920
Speaker 2: by me. I think Nicholas looking smoking at the moments.

1564
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: Whatever she's doing, we all need to get onto that

1565
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 2: thing and do it as well and shred for the summer. Now,

1566
01:13:57,800 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 2: Miriam Webster's put out its word of the year. The

1567
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,320
Speaker 2: end the year, the dictionaries go out tell you what

1568
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: their word of the year is. Their word of the

1569
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 2: year is slop, a term used to describe low quality

1570
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:11,519
Speaker 2: digital content. They say this is digital content usually produced

1571
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 2: in quantity by means of artificial intelligence. Examples such as

1572
01:14:16,040 --> 01:14:20,640
Speaker 2: absurd videos, talking cats, and AI written books. Now, this

1573
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:23,559
Speaker 2: was also The Economist's word of the Year earlier this month,

1574
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 2: and I didn't mention it at the time because I

1575
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 2: looked at it and thought, I don't get it. Why

1576
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:28,160
Speaker 2: is this the word of the year. And then Marine

1577
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 2: Webster's come out with it as well, so evidently, and

1578
01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 2: I think part of my problem is I'm not spending

1579
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: enough time on social media, so I'm not getting served

1580
01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 2: up the slop. But if two different dictionaries are picking

1581
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,439
Speaker 2: at as the word of the year, there is obviously

1582
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 2: a lot of crap out there, being produced by AI.

1583
01:14:43,320 --> 01:14:45,120
Speaker 2: So if you're seeing it the Talking Cats and you're

1584
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:47,439
Speaker 2: thinking what a load of trash, You're not alone. We're

1585
01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:49,520
Speaker 2: off to Australia next with Steve Price.

1586
01:14:58,720 --> 01:15:02,599
Speaker 1: Credible compelling, the Breakfast Show You Can't Best It's Hither

1587
01:15:02,760 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 1: Duplessy Allen on the Mike Hosking Breakfast with the Defender,

1588
01:15:06,600 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: Embraced The Impossible, News Talks Dead b.

1589
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,240
Speaker 2: Twenty three away from nine Now. Former Ossie Prime Minister

1590
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,080
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull has given an interview to Channel four News

1591
01:15:15,160 --> 01:15:18,200
Speaker 2: in the UK. He was asked about Nitin Yahoo's criticism

1592
01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,280
Speaker 2: of Australia, putting the blame on Albanzi and Australia for

1593
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,040
Speaker 2: declaring Palestine as a state.

1594
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 18: Do you buy that criticism from the Israeli government?

1595
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:33,120
Speaker 23: Look, no, I do not, and I would respectfully say

1596
01:15:33,280 --> 01:15:37,840
Speaker 23: to bibnet Yahoo please stay out of our politics. If

1597
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,840
Speaker 23: you've got that kind of commentary to make, you are

1598
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 23: not helping. I know net Nyahoo, I know him pretty

1599
01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:47,679
Speaker 23: well actually, and look I understand where he's coming from,

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01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:48,720
Speaker 23: his passion.

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Speaker 14: And so forth.

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Speaker 23: But this is not helping and it's not right. I mean,

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01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:55,519
Speaker 23: as Albanizi has said, and as we all know, as

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01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 23: were streeting is said in your country, the vast majority

1605
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 23: of countries in the world or recognize Palestine as a state.

1606
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:08,439
Speaker 23: The vast majority, vast majority has supported to state solution. Indeed,

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01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:12,400
Speaker 23: and I was Prime Minister Israel emotionally supported to state solution.

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01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 23: It doesn't any longer. We cannot allow these foreign wars

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01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 23: and conflicts to be imported here. We are a very

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01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 23: successful multicultural society.

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01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 3: We need to ensure that.

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01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 23: The wars in the Middle East, were wars in any

1613
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 23: other part of the world, are not fought out here.

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01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance, peace of mind

1615
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:35,799
Speaker 1: for New Zealand business.

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01:16:36,880 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 2: Steve prices with us out of Australian Morning.

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01:16:38,920 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 25: Steve, you get out, Heather, I mean seriously, America Termbul.

1618
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 25: I mean an ex Prime minister who I will listen

1619
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 25: to and who does make some sense is John Howard

1620
01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:52,320
Speaker 25: who went on Sky and went down to the Memorial yesterday.

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01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,280
Speaker 25: He made the point that we have imported these foreign

1622
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 25: wars into Australia and we have not been strong enough

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01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 25: on on deciding who comes to the country, where they

1624
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 25: come from. And what we saw in Bondai on Sunday.

1625
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,120
Speaker 25: Heather is an example of that. I mean, Malcolm Ttermle Seriously,

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01:17:08,240 --> 01:17:11,880
Speaker 25: she's just keep quiet quite frankly.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Steve, that this is going to prompt

1628
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,879
Speaker 2: a change in your immigration settings?

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Speaker 25: Not while Anthony Abneasy and Foreign Minister Penny Wong and

1630
01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 25: Home Affairs Minister Tony Berger in chard. No, it should

1631
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 25: and the majority of Australians would like to see at

1632
01:17:30,439 --> 01:17:34,639
Speaker 25: least an honest debate about not only just where people

1633
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,439
Speaker 25: come from, but how many. I mean, Australia at the

1634
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 25: moment is bursting at the seams. Pauline Hanson like or

1635
01:17:41,880 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 25: a low that turned up at Bondai yesterday with Barnaby Joyce,

1636
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,400
Speaker 25: who new recruit. The crowd cheered, everybody wanted to.

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Speaker 9: Talk to her.

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Speaker 25: They were slapping her on the back, and that gives

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01:17:51,200 --> 01:17:53,760
Speaker 25: you some indication. I know emotions are raw there at

1640
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:59,240
Speaker 25: the moment, but Hanson was received like a hero. On

1641
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 25: the op side of the coin. Tony Burke went down

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01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 25: there on Monday night and he was heckled in, booed

1643
01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 25: and told to get out of the place. So that's

1644
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 25: the sort of anger there is about what Canberra has

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 25: and hasn't done.

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Speaker 2: Do you think this is a significant, And I mean

1647
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 2: it's obviously extremely significant, but will it lead to massive

1648
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:20,519
Speaker 2: shifts in the way that people are voting and the

1649
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:23,240
Speaker 2: way that people perceive, for example, the legacy media and

1650
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 2: the alleged critics of the alleged bias that they have displayed.

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Speaker 25: And I think this is one of those defining moments

1652
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,720
Speaker 25: you have in the nation's history. And I think what

1653
01:18:34,880 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 25: occurred there on Sunday night has so many layers to

1654
01:18:38,520 --> 01:18:41,479
Speaker 25: it that I can't really understand where I should start.

1655
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 25: But let's start with the human cost of this. One

1656
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 25: of the victims, obviously, was the ten year old girl Matilda,

1657
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:56,280
Speaker 25: and her parents spoke at that at the flower display

1658
01:18:56,360 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 25: there last night. Her father, Michael said he wanted the

1659
01:18:59,080 --> 01:19:01,560
Speaker 25: crowd to know that she was a beautiful person. He

1660
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 25: called her Matilda because it was the first of her

1661
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Speaker 25: his children that were born in Australia. He was from

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Speaker 25: the Ukraine. He and his wife were Russian Jews that

1663
01:19:10,840 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 25: came out of Ukraine. He said, he was holding it.

1664
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:16,640
Speaker 25: I mean, you can it brings you to tears. He

1665
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 25: was holding a frame picture of this beautiful ten year

1666
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Speaker 25: old girl. He said, we called him a Matilda because

1667
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Speaker 25: we think it's the most Australian name that can ever exist,

1668
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 25: so please just remember the name and remember her. It

1669
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 25: was a very emotional appearance. The mother of Matilda said

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Speaker 25: she couldn't fathom how the monster killed her daughter, fired

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01:19:36,720 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 25: at a child running for her father. It wasn't just

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01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,560
Speaker 25: a bullet from a spray, It wasn't an accident. It

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01:19:43,760 --> 01:19:47,880
Speaker 25: was a bullet fired at her. I can't imagine how

1674
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 25: anyone could not have tears in their eyes hearing that.

1675
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Speaker 2: Were there enough police?

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01:19:54,760 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 25: There no And the premiere of I was Christopher Min's

1677
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 25: at a media conference with Anthony Albniza yesterday, tried to

1678
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,519
Speaker 25: cover that up and he's now had to admit on

1679
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:11,639
Speaker 25: skylast night that there were basically two young constables only

1680
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 25: armed with pistols, who were Their job that day was

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Speaker 25: to patrol Bondi.

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Speaker 20: That was it.

1683
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 25: A third police officer joined in that at some moments

1684
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,080
Speaker 25: after it started, and then the whole response came. These

1685
01:20:27,160 --> 01:20:30,599
Speaker 25: two officers both shot and a friend of mine told

1686
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 25: me yesterday that the younger of the two had only

1687
01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 25: been out of their police academy for four months. He's

1688
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:39,400
Speaker 25: now in a serious and critical condition in hospital, shot

1689
01:20:39,439 --> 01:20:42,639
Speaker 25: in the head, and the clavicle and has lost his sight.

1690
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,640
Speaker 25: Now this is just a response that you can't imagine

1691
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 25: how we could let this happen. I mean, there was

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Speaker 25: thousands of Jewish Australians on a beach in Bondi celebrating

1693
01:20:54,240 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 25: Harneker and you had two only junior police officers. And

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Speaker 25: the only reason that the father of these two terrorists

1695
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 25: is dead that a detective in playing clothes from Bondi

1696
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 25: managed to sneak up behind them. He was hiding behind

1697
01:21:08,520 --> 01:21:11,599
Speaker 25: a tree and had just think of this. These two

1698
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:17,280
Speaker 25: guys were armed with high powered rifles, shotguns and high

1699
01:21:17,320 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 25: powered rifles bolt action. This detective shot dead that fifty

1700
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 25: year old father from forty meters with a police revolver. Now,

1701
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 25: anyone I've spoken to I know nothing about firearms, but

1702
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 25: I have spoken a couple of experts. They tell me

1703
01:21:33,640 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 25: that does a miracle shot. To hit someone from forty

1704
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,200
Speaker 25: meters way and kill them with a police revioval was extraordinary.

1705
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,040
Speaker 25: You can see the video. You can look at it.

1706
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 25: He creeps up behind a tree. It was just extraordinary.

1707
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: I have actually seen the video and you're quite right.

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01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:47,679
Speaker 2: I mean, it seems quite strange that this is happening.

1709
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,560
Speaker 2: At the moment. And then the third Ashes Test is

1710
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 2: about to get underway in.

1711
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:54,120
Speaker 25: Adelaide today and I mean as they should. There'll be

1712
01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 25: minutes silence from both teams, the English and the Australian teams.

1713
01:21:58,640 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 25: They will both sides will wear black armbands. All the

1714
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 25: flags obviously will be at half mass. John Williamson will

1715
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:09,360
Speaker 25: sing Hatred Blue for the crowd. Now, I've been at

1716
01:22:09,360 --> 01:22:11,320
Speaker 25: Adelaide over when a very good friend of mine, ex

1717
01:22:11,400 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 25: test cricket of David Hooks's funeral was held and the

1718
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 25: whole crowd were in tears. The whole crowd and there'll

1719
01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 25: be fifty thousand plus at Adelaide today will be in

1720
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 25: tears when that happens at around about eleven o'clock Adelaide

1721
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 25: time this morning, as they should be. But this thing

1722
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:34,080
Speaker 25: is going to reverberate around Australia for the entire summer.

1723
01:22:34,840 --> 01:22:37,160
Speaker 25: And you know this is my last chat on the

1724
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 25: show for the year. But I wouldn't be surprised if

1725
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 25: this has severely damaged the reputation of Anthony alban Easy

1726
01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:47,679
Speaker 25: and it may be his line in the sand moment.

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Speaker 25: He may not survive this. He may end up next

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Speaker 25: year being forced to step down. And I don't say

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Speaker 25: that loosely, as you know, I think it's damaged to me.

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Speaker 25: Report Steve.

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Speaker 2: I think you're banging on this listen. Thank you so

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01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 2: much for all your work this year. Merry Christmas to

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Speaker 2: you and your family, and I hope you have a

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Speaker 2: lovely one. That's Steve Price out of Australia. I think

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Speaker 2: Steve's bang on a like from the very start, because

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Speaker 2: this has been a criticism of Anthony Albanezi, the lack

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Speaker 2: of action on the threats to the Jews. The minute

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Speaker 2: it happened, you knew he was in trouble.

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Speaker 1: Quart to to her the Mike Asking Breakfast Full Show

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Speaker 1: podcast on iHeartRadio powered by News Talks.

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Speaker 25: At be.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was just thinking when we were talking

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Speaker 2: to Steve, I don't have I don't often give a

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01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 2: lot of credits to Ja Sinda Ardern, but if you

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Speaker 2: are one of those people having just watched the movie,

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Speaker 2: if you're one of those people who still think, oh,

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Speaker 2: anybody could have done the Mosk attacks as well as

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Speaker 2: she did it the way that she led the country

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Speaker 2: through it, I hope that you're watching what's going on

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Speaker 2: in Australia and realizing that actually not anybody could have

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Speaker 2: done it as well. We don't have a lot of

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01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:52,760
Speaker 2: good things to say about her during, you know, for

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Speaker 2: the six years she's put the country through. But if

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Speaker 2: there's one thing you can say, incredible at bringing the

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Speaker 2: country together after March fifteen. Look Elbow's doing. It's not

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Speaker 2: as easy to do as you might think. It is

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Speaker 2: eleven away from nine. I meant to mention this to

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Speaker 2: you yesterday, by the way, and I completely forgot. But

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Speaker 2: there is another twist if you've been following the Salt

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Speaker 2: Path drama. There's another twist in the Salt Path drama,

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Speaker 2: the latest. This is the one, by the way, if

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Speaker 2: you haven't watched The Salt Path, it's on one of

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Speaker 2: the streaming might be Neon, I'm not really sure, but

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Speaker 2: it's the one with Gillian Anderson and and what's his face?

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Speaker 2: Her god is Willy out in White Lotus Jason Ryan.

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Speaker 20: Was that his name?

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01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:30,760
Speaker 2: Something like that, Jason Isaacs. Anyway, this is one where

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Speaker 2: Gillian's amazing the movie. The movie is based on the

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01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 2: book The Salt Path. The book, we now find out,

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Speaker 2: is completely made up. It is complete. It's been passed

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Speaker 2: off as reality as complete fabrication anyway. The latest is

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Speaker 2: that the author's niece reckons that the author sent a

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Speaker 2: letter to her sister. This is the niece's mum. The

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Speaker 2: author sent a letter to the sister admitting that she

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Speaker 2: had stolen twenty five thousand pounds from her in laws

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Speaker 2: after the bank threatened to take the money and take

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Speaker 2: her home away and the niece went before the mum died.

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Speaker 2: Mom gives the letter to the niece. Niece has got

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Speaker 2: the letter in her hot little hands, she says. The letter, says.

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Speaker 2: The Observer, which has been running all the stories in

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Speaker 2: the UK on this reckons I've read the letter, and

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Speaker 2: the letter says, please don't look any further for the money.

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Speaker 2: I've taken it, all of it. I have to ask

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Speaker 2: you not to take things any further with the bank,

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Speaker 2: but tell them it was just a mistake. I have

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Speaker 2: a police record and should this go any further, I

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Speaker 2: will go to prison. This time, in a mid panic,

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Speaker 2: when the mortgage was threatening to foreclose, I transferred twenty

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Speaker 2: five pounds from Tim's mum and dad's account to Tim's.

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Speaker 2: And then the letter goes on to explain that the

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Speaker 2: elderly couple were left with hardly any money as a resultant,

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Speaker 2: so they had to stay in a barn conversion on

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Speaker 2: the property. I think over winter. I'm she's not sure

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Speaker 2: about overwinter. I might have made that up just to

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Speaker 2: make the story in my own head more dramatic. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: Rayna Wynn, who is the author real name, Sally Walker,

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01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 2: denies it, but then again she denies everything. But then again,

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01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:54,680
Speaker 2: maybe it runs in the family and they all just

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Speaker 2: make things up. Who knows? Nine away from knowing.

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Speaker 2: I literally have no idea what she said, but she

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Speaker 2: fronted up for the camera wearing a massive brooch in

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Speaker 2: that's probably a cheeky reference to Moneypenny, who loved a

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Speaker 2: brooch in the shape of the bee. Five away from.

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Speaker 1: Nine trending now with the MS Warehouse the Real House

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Speaker 1: of Fragrances.

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Speaker 2: So well, Trump he was offered a chance to, perhaps

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Speaker 2: I don't know, pull back on his rhetoric about Rob

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Speaker 2: Ryner after his truth social post went off. He didn't

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Speaker 2: do that.

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Speaker 8: Well.

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Speaker 17: I wasn't a fan of his at all. He was

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Speaker 17: a deranged person as far as Trump is concerned. He

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Speaker 17: said he knew it was false facts to the exact

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Speaker 17: opposite that I was a friend of Russia, control by Russia.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was the Russia hoax. He was one

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Speaker 3: of the people behind it.

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Speaker 17: I think he heard himself in career wise, he became

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Speaker 17: like a deranged person Trump derangement syndrome.

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Speaker 3: So I was not a fan of Rob Reiner.

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Speaker 17: At all, in any way, shape or for him.

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Speaker 3: I thought he was very bad for our country.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that guy's not read the room. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you've seen this, but his White House Chief of Staff,

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01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 2: Susie Wilds, has given a set of interviews to Variety,

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Speaker 2: and Variety's gone public with them and in them she

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Speaker 2: describes Donald Trump as having an alcoholics personality. Now, she

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Speaker 2: has subsequently put out a statement on Twitter or something

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01:28:37,560 --> 01:28:40,080
Speaker 2: or other saying basically was taken out of context and

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01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 2: it's been misinterpreted. She was trying to be nice about him.

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Speaker 2: She was trying to say high functioning alcoholics, or alcoholics

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Speaker 2: in general, their personalities are exaggerated when they drink. And

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Speaker 2: so I'm a little bit of an expert in big

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01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 2: personalities because I think her dad was an alcoholic and

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01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: he governs with a view that there's nothing he can't do, nothing, zero, nothing. Anyway,

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Speaker 2: She's adamant that she wasn't saying anything nasty about Donald

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Speaker 2: always that.

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Speaker 14: As a compliment.

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Speaker 5: When people say that I'm making like an alcoholic, yep,

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Speaker 5: I think I always thanks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because because alcoholic equals fun, right, fun, fun, crazy, unpredictable,

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Speaker 2: everybody loves you anyway, that if you if you listen

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01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:22,840
Speaker 2: to the insides, you know that what that what gets

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01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 2: reported from within what is going on in Washington. Susie

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01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,040
Speaker 2: may have in fact been sidelined somewhat, So read into

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01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:32,280
Speaker 2: it what you will. Maybe she didn't mean it, Maybe

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01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,759
Speaker 2: she didn't mean it. Maybe being an alcoholic as a compliment.

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Speaker 2: Who knows anyway, we will see you tomorrow. Have you

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Speaker 2: said a lovely day? News Storms have been.

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