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Speaker 1: We'll rap the political week that was now with our

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Speaker 1: senior political correspondent, Barry. So, welcome back, Barry, Hello again, Hillo. Okay, Look,

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Speaker 1: hindsight is a beautiful thing. But in hindsight, so the

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Speaker 1: Greens ever have gone here with Darlene because this is

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Speaker 1: costing them a lot.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they certainly could have foreseen what

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Speaker 2: was going to happen. Yeah, and they you know, the Greens,

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Speaker 2: if nothing else, they represent the underprivileged. And the allegation

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Speaker 2: here was that somehow the bike shop that her husband

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Speaker 2: owned was exploiting migrants. Now that is totally against the

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Speaker 2: Greens code of ethics. So I guess they had to

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Speaker 2: look into it. And when they looked into it, I

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Speaker 2: haven't seen the full report. I haven't read the full report.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think it's I think it's

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Speaker 1: the kind of outcome that they could have gone either

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Speaker 1: way on, right, because it doesn't prove that she was

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Speaker 1: involved in it. It just proved that there's a chance

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Speaker 1: that she knew. But Barry, if they had a chance

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Speaker 1: to do this again, do you reckon they would try

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Speaker 1: to kick her out given the trouble she's causing them.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think because this was made public, was in

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Speaker 2: the public arena, they actually had to do something and

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Speaker 2: to sit on their hands is they have done in

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Speaker 2: previous cases and not disciplined members of Parliament. And the

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Speaker 2: one that springs to mind is the Garriman case. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they knew about that well in advance.

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Speaker 1: It's almost like they were forced to do something to

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Speaker 1: Darlene given that they had they had dicked around with

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Speaker 1: so many of their other engines in the past. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just wonder if they regret it now, because boy,

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Speaker 1: it's causing them a lot.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure they'll regret it, and they'll regret it for

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Speaker 2: some time to come because it's not over yet. There's

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Speaker 2: still a lot of water to go under that particular breakin.

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Speaker 1: I don't see any problem with getting everybody to pay

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Speaker 1: the rucks and scrap the field tax.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's right, and plant pay tolls on roads, of course,

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Speaker 2: But when you think of the road user charges, it's

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Speaker 2: a more equitable system because moment you've got high powered,

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Speaker 2: energy efficient cars on the road and you've got the

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Speaker 2: old bangers that use more fuel. So people that have

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Speaker 2: got the old bangers and they're normally the Philly underprivileged.

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Speaker 2: They are paying too much, paying too much for the

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Speaker 2: petrol and so it is an an equitable system. But look,

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Speaker 2: road toll is inevitable. If they want to get the

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Speaker 2: infrastructure built that they say they're going to get built,

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Speaker 2: then they need public private partnerships and that's the only

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Speaker 2: way to go. So that means road tolls as soon

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Speaker 2: as twenty twenty seven, that's only a few years from now.

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Speaker 2: They say that fuel tax should be gone, Well, you

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Speaker 2: know that's twelve cents or seventy five cents a later.

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Speaker 2: At the moment in twenty twenty seven, it will be

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Speaker 2: another twelve cents, so you know it keeps going up,

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Speaker 2: and so will road user charger. So the motorist is

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Speaker 2: going to be no better off. The only way I

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Speaker 2: guess to be better off is take to the two

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Speaker 2: wheelers by bicycle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, bicycle, Barry. Do you think just on this Maori

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Speaker 1: sovereignty issue and whether the EWE who signed EWE leaders

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Speaker 1: who signed the treaty in eighteen forty actually seeded sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: Can you remember a time in your career where you've

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Speaker 1: had the leaders of the two major parties have completely

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Speaker 1: opposite views and firm views. Chippy says they didn't seed sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: Hipkins Luxon says they did seed sovereignty. Can you remember

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Speaker 1: this happening before?

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Speaker 2: Well, no, it's it's a very difficult situation for I

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Speaker 2: think more so for labor because it's the the Whitangui

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Speaker 2: Tribunal that came out with its report that said that

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Speaker 2: the treaty essentially retained the complete authority over their land

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Speaker 2: and the people and the territories. But that is in

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Speaker 2: dispute because if you look at the meaning of national sovereignty,

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Speaker 2: that's the ability of a governed to govern. Now, Mary,

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Speaker 2: he didn't in eighteen forty, from my knowledge, say that

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Speaker 2: they wanted to have a separate government from the crown,

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Speaker 2: and so you know, I think Chris Luxton, even though

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Speaker 2: he was forced into saying it in Parliament a couple

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Speaker 2: of weeks ago, said that they did seed sovereignty. And

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Speaker 2: it's one of those arguments that will go on forever.

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Speaker 2: No doubt they will say that's the Pakia view.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's going to be convinced to change

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Speaker 1: their view on this. No, it's one of those ones, right.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly. But I think it should be settled for

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Speaker 2: once and for all. And dare I say.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, we've just lost you there, Barry, but anyway, hopefully

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Speaker 1: we'll get you. We'll try to get barriied back. That's

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Speaker 1: Barry Sober, senior political correspondent, rapping the political week that was.

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