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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks at BA.

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Speaker 2: Maren Morris is a country music superstar. She's a Grammy winner,

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Speaker 2: a five time winner at the Country Music Awards. She's

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Speaker 2: broken all sorts of records with the music. She's written

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Speaker 2: songs for artists like Kellie Clarkson and Tim McGaw and

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Speaker 2: she is entering a new era in her life and

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Speaker 2: career with her latest album, Dreamsicle. Maren is heading to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand next year to ride the country music wave

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Speaker 2: that's sweeping our nation and joins us this morning, Kilder, Maren,

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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.

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Speaker 3: That's good to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great to be chatting. You're sort of in

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Speaker 2: a kind of new era of life a little bit

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Speaker 2: with that with Dreamsicle. So tell us what is a

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Speaker 2: dream circle and what does a what is a dream

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Speaker 2: circle kind of rate presient?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about that. Y'all

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Speaker 3: probably don't have those over there. So a dreamsicle is

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Speaker 3: like an ice cream cone, h And at least there's

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Speaker 3: different variations. There's like a cream cicle. But then in

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Speaker 3: Texas where I grew up. We were on a could

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Speaker 3: a stack street, so that ice cream truck would go

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Speaker 3: by in the summertime and I would always get out

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Speaker 3: of you know, the hundred pictures of options, I would

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Speaker 3: get the Dreamsicle. So, I mean that's been in my

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Speaker 3: head for a long time obviously as like a nostalgia thing,

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Speaker 3: like a childhood thing. But I named the record after

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Speaker 3: that because, well, there's a song on the record called

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Speaker 3: Dreamsicle that I wrote, and it's just about you know,

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Speaker 3: things that are you know, wonderful, like are fleeting and

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Speaker 3: we know that. But I think just not mourning it

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Speaker 3: and enjoying what's in your hands, yeah at that time

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Speaker 3: is way more fruitful than trying to like rush through

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Speaker 3: it or like mourn that it's over while it's still happening.

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Speaker 3: Like I kind of fall into that trap a lot.

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Speaker 3: So it's just my own reminder to myself to just

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Speaker 3: stay present and enjoy like the good and the bad

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Speaker 3: things as there happening, because it all ends.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's such a good message and kind of a

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Speaker 2: universal message, right, like about trying to be present and

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Speaker 2: observe that the multitude of kind of emotions and things

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Speaker 2: that you have in life. But I can imagine that

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Speaker 2: for someone like you, given how busy you are and

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Speaker 2: given all the directions you're being pulled in, that must

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Speaker 2: be really difficult.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think when things are, you know, going well,

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Speaker 3: but you're also constantly you know, I'm always on the road,

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Speaker 3: don't even know what city I'm in until I step

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Speaker 3: off the bus, and there's just there's a sort of

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Speaker 3: disorienting nature to that. But then also like the tour

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Speaker 3: will end or an album cycle will end, and I'll

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Speaker 3: be like that was fun, But I really like it

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Speaker 3: was all kind of blurring together because it's just I'm

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Speaker 3: I think we all kind of are guilty of that.

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Speaker 3: That's a normal human experience. But now, I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: I'm so lucky and that I get to do this

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Speaker 3: does like it's a daily practice to just be appreciative

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So the good news is that we have popsicles in

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, so we don't have cream circles. We have popsicles,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of like an ice lolly, I think,

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Speaker 2: But what does the dream circle have. Does they have

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Speaker 3: It's actually like sort of an orange cream type of

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Speaker 2: But contravertial orange ice cream.

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Speaker 3: I mean oranges and is It's a good combo.

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Speaker 2: But I refreshing. I can see that. I can see

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Speaker 2: like you say, you know, as a kid, you kind

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Speaker 2: of you work out what your favorites are pretty quickly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you definitely like know what you don't like. But no,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the thing that's kind of noticeable with

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Speaker 2: do you kind of balance your natural inclinations towards what

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think that just comes down to, like, well,

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Speaker 3: I listened to so many different types of music, even

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Speaker 3: because that's like how I learned to write songs. But

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Speaker 3: I really wanted to push myself with the sound of

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Speaker 3: then like Naomi McPherson from Muna doing like cry in

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Speaker 3: wide array of people that are getting these new feelings

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Speaker 3: like sonically the most diverse record I've put out because

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Speaker 2: And so that the kind of inclination that drives the

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's probably a blend of both. But I

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Speaker 3: think I'm really I think because I learned to write

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Speaker 3: I still want to come in and collaborate and you know,

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Speaker 3: So you have to leave your ego at the door

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Speaker 3: just there's a lot of like humbling and like give

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Speaker 3: I think it's just it could be the weather that day,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a process of kind of unlocking these

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Speaker 2: We loved Joel Little in New Zealandia. I feel like

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Speaker 2: tell us about tell us about your experience working with y'all.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. I mean, he's just such a dream

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Speaker 3: think the first time we wrote, I mean I think

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Speaker 3: Joel and Julia Michaels and Julia is a duet on

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Speaker 3: and obviously I'm well aware of his work. He's an

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Speaker 3: we ended up writing Too Good. I think that next

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Speaker 3: just he's so so talented and so like so kind.

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Speaker 3: only because the Chicks recorded her song let Him Fly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, they're incredible, like courageous women. It's yeah, I

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Speaker 2: think you were here in twenty eighteen, right with Nile Horn. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I reckon when you get to New Zealand, you're going

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Speaker 2: to be like, whoa, things have changed in New Zealand

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Speaker 2: Like it's crazy the kind of the kind of change

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Speaker 2: I wonder what's your scenes. Do you have any kind

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely like a popular, more mainstream genre of

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Speaker 3: I was boring with Nile. I think The Middle had

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Speaker 2: It's a very smart analysis and a very very good

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Speaker 2: a very good word for it. Look, we're so delighted

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Speaker 2: with Dreamscle and so so pleased that you're going to

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Speaker 2: going to carve out like a couple of days somewhere

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Speaker 2: so you can have a vacation while you're hear I

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Speaker 3: Off like buffering in between. But no, I mean I'm

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Speaker 2: It's all about being present, you know. This is that

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Speaker 2: you got to lean into the dreamsicle ethos here, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Be present in your wine drunk.

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Speaker 2: Hey, it's such a pleasure to speak. I know how

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Speaker 2: busy you are, so we really appreciate it. All the

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Speaker 2: very best with Dreamsicle and we cannot wait to have

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Speaker 3: So thank you. I can't wait to be there. I'm

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Speaker 2: So good. That is Maren Morris. She is coming to

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Speaker 2: New Zealand. Tickets for her Dreamsicle tour are available through

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Speaker 2: ticket Master. We've got all the dates up at news

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