1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,240 Speaker 1: Now. 2 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 2: US and Russian officials are on their way to Alaska 3 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 2: right now ahead of tomorrow's summit. Donald Trump's going to 4 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: meet with Ladd at seven thirty our time tomorrow morning 5 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,160 Speaker 2: to broke a re ceasefire in the Ukraine War. It's 6 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 2: the first time the two have met in six years. 7 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: Donald Trump rates his chance of success at about seventy 8 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,920 Speaker 2: five percent now. Matt Terrell is US Secretary of State, 9 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: Marco Rubio's former chief of staff and currently managing partner 10 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 2: at Firehouse Strategies. 11 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: I Matt, hey, great to be with you. 12 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 2: Okay, So tell me what you think success looks like. 13 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 2: Is it just positive noises from Persian or is it 14 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: an actual deal? 15 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: Well, look, first and foremost, I think this is a 16 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: big step tomorrow, having President Putin and President Trump sit down. 17 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: So this is a major step towards hopefully having peace here. 18 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 1: But look, I think the oul come ultimate needs to 19 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: be getting too a ceasefire here, then from there get 20 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 1: into a place where you're talking about security guarantees for Ukraine. 21 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: Then ultimately, of course time on land. Those are the 22 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: next components of this. So I think tomorrow, I think 23 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: President Trump's did a good job of manj expectations about 24 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: what tomorrow could be optimistic. I think that that progress 25 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: will be made. But in the end, ultimate the way 26 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: he has to said this is listening session tomorrow. Gat 27 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:14,040 Speaker 1: did from President Poon gets the negotiaing table in this war, 28 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: maybe you have something like a ceasefire coming out of this. 29 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,199 Speaker 1: I don't think that that's going to happen. It could, 30 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: but I think ultimately President Trump recognizes that look of 31 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: President Pun wants to come to the table here and 32 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: I think wants to make a deal. I think President 33 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: Trump has been clear he feels as though President Pun 34 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: wants to make a deal. I believe that as well. 35 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 2: Okay, what are the chances that Posen is just playing him, 36 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 2: stalling for time so he can keep fighting. 37 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: Well, look, I think the question is what has gotten 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: President Pun to this point to meet with President Trump tomorrow. 39 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: What has changed? And I think what's changed is that 40 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: President Pun's been watching what President Trump has been doing. 41 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: He saw what President Trump did in terms of launching 42 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: those attacks in Iran when Iran miss it's deadline to 43 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: come to the negost chain table. He saw what President 44 00:01:56,680 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: Trump did when it came to supplying Ukraine within the 45 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: necessary military capabilities to defend itself. And President Pun just 46 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: saw what President Trump did in terms of putting terroriffts 47 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:11,239 Speaker 1: on India, a major trading partner India is with Russia 48 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: and putting those terrorists on India because India has been 49 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: consuming Russian oil. So I think right now President Putin 50 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: recognizes that President Trump is notting around here. He's been 51 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: watching waiting mister President Puns ready to negotiate. I think 52 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: he recognizes that President Trump is serious here, and President Trump, 53 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,200 Speaker 1: I think if he does not get the recognition tomorrow 54 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: that President Pun is serious about next steps here in 55 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: terms of end of this war, I think he's going 56 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: to go and crush Russia's economy. You know. The recognition 57 00:02:39,760 --> 00:02:41,959 Speaker 1: right now, I think among the White House is that 58 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 1: this is the for President Puon to show up and 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 1: to be serious about getting this war to come to 60 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: an end. If he's not, then I think President Trump 61 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: will move forward with tarroriffts and sanctions that will crush 62 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: Russia's economy. President Pun doesn't want that. I think President 63 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: Putin and President Trump will find a way to get 64 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: to a deal here. The only person can end this 65 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 1: war is Trump any more. Leader I think tomorrow is 66 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: a major step forward here and I'm optimistic about what 67 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:08,679 Speaker 1: will come next. 68 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:12,519 Speaker 2: Okay, do you think Zelenski needs to get real and 69 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:14,359 Speaker 2: accept the fact that he is going to have to 70 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 2: give up some land here? 71 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Look, the recognition here, I think among everyone who's 72 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 1: at the table here is that you are at a 73 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: situation here where the only way to get this war 74 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: to come to an end is at the table. I 75 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: do not believe that this war will come to an 76 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 1: end to have both sides, you know, give things up here. 77 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: And people can argue that that's not right or not there, 78 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 1: but you can be either idealistic about this, but really 79 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: and the realities are what they are on the ground. 80 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: And to your question, I think you're gonna have to 81 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: see both sides give things up here. You're gonna have 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: to talk of course about you know, security guarantees for Ukraine. 83 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: That's important. You may very well get to a point 84 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: where you get to the discussions of talking about swapping 85 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: of land, but you're gonna have to see I think 86 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 1: both sides give up things here that they don't want 87 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: to give up. But what's gonna be needed and getting 88 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: this scene to come to an ad you can't keep 89 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: going down to the same path have been going on 90 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: of continued war. I think you've got to get the scene, 91 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: come to an ad that needs to happen the negotiating table, 92 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: and that's going to mean concessions on both sides. Here. 93 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: We'll see where that all goes, but there is next steps. 94 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: The first step is getting that ceaseflare, having that ceaseflare hold, 95 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 1: and then get into discussions around those are the variables. 96 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 2: Matt, thanks very much, appreciate it. Matt Terrell, Marco Rubio's 97 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: former chief of staff, managing director, managing partner currently of 98 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: Firehouse Strategies, and apologies for the quality of the lines. 99 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 2: For more from Hither Duples, see Alan Drive. Listen live 100 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 101 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 2: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.