1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: We'll get you some more of the Grant Robertson interview 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: from Q and A shortly thirteen away from five and 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Barry so Per, senior political correspondence. 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 2: With I say, Barry, good afternoon, Heather. 5 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: Do you really think the reason that Luxon wasn't on 6 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: that phone call is because he was sleeping? 7 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 2: Well, I've got a piece of audio that where he 8 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: explained that there's a news conference which is just being 9 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: held at the moment. But you know, I'm sure many 10 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:26,319 Speaker 2: listeners watched the great event unfold in Alaska over the 11 00:00:26,320 --> 00:00:30,720 Speaker 2: weekend as I did, and really I think it was 12 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: a triumph for Vladimir Putin over Donald Trump. I mean, 13 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 2: Putin came away with exactly what he wanted. Donald Trump 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 2: now saying that when he sits down with Vladimir Zelenski 15 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 2: in Washington tomorrow, then he's got to agree with what 16 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 2: came out of that particular meeting, And we don't really 17 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 2: know exactly what came out of that meeting, so no doubt. Well, 18 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: no wonder why the European leaders have now banded together 19 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: and a show of force that I can't recall ever 20 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: having seen, and all getting on airplanes and heading off 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 2: to Washington themselves to give Zelensky some sort of at 22 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 2: least moral backing that he didn't have when he was 23 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 2: humiliated by Trump and JD Vance in the Oval Office. 24 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:24,520 Speaker 2: So they'll have their meeting with each other, but the 25 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 2: other European leaders will join later. But the sounds of 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: things and let's just hope we don't see a repeat 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 2: in the Oval Office that we saw in February this year. 28 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: Luxon was invited to attend that zoom meeting of the 29 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: Coalition of the Willing, as you said, overnight, but says 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: officials took his place because he said of the meeting's time. 31 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 3: This one was at one am in the morning. It 32 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: goes for two to three hours. And then I'm on 33 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 3: a media around this morning and obviously down here for 34 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 3: Cabinet this morning as well, so I was well represented 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 3: by officials. But you know, what is encouraging is the 36 00:01:57,360 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 3: progress that we are seeing the fact that there is 37 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 3: conversations have led with President Trump but also the European 38 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: leaders are But again, our message is pretty clear. Russia 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: could stop this today if it wished, by having a 40 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: cease fire immediately on land sing any. 41 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 2: Thing is I don't see how Luxeon would have added 42 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: anything to it or got anything more out of it 43 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: by not being on the Zoom meeting. So I can't 44 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: blame him. 45 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: You don't think that he wasn't part of it because 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,799 Speaker 1: he's trying to avoid being anti Trump and this is 47 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: an anti Trump. 48 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Well indeed, it would have been an antie Trump meeting, 49 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 2: there's no doubt about that. Basically a meeting to come 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: to an agreement that Trump can't be the bully that 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 2: was seeing him being. 52 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: Is that not the real reason? 53 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: Well, who knows, But like you know, it was a 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: terrible time when he had, as he said, media rounds 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: on the cabinet meeting this morning, to be up all 56 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: night talking to leaders where he's got officials that can 57 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: do exactly the same job and report back to him 58 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 2: in the morning. 59 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:57,560 Speaker 1: Okay, what do you make of the moves to build 60 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: a speed up the building consents? 61 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: Well, you know it's been long said that building a 62 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,399 Speaker 2: standalone house in New Zealand takes fifty percent. It's more 63 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: expensive here than it is in Australia, so something has 64 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: to be done. And I know that you're having Chris Penk, 65 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 2: the Building Minister, on after five o'clock but there are 66 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 2: shortcuts and I guess liability that rate pairs can find 67 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: themselves facing if a company goes bally up and the 68 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 2: components they want to be able to single out of 69 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: that to make it not so expensive for rate pairs, 70 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,440 Speaker 2: not making them liable. So Pink says, the changes will 71 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: see less liability for counsels passing on the surely work 72 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 2: to rate pairs to settle. 73 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: Each party will only be responsible for the share of 74 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 4: the work that they actually carried out or the decisions 75 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 4: that they signed off. This will remove the fear that 76 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: slows down the consenting process currently, reduce costs, and reduce 77 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: the risk to ratepayers having to underwrite someone else's mistake. 78 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 4: Right now, there are sixty six different council building concent 79 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: authorities across the country, each with their own interpretation of 80 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 4: the building Code. This has resulted in a ridiculous situation 81 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 4: where builders can have their paperwork rejected by one council 82 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 4: whereas it would be accepted by the one up the road. 83 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 4: I expect that they will seize the opportunity to pull 84 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 4: resources such as inspectors and IT systems and pass the 85 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 4: savings on to rate payers. 86 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,039 Speaker 2: Well, let's hope that happens, but you know, you'd have 87 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: to say that indemnity insurance should surely be encouraged for 88 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: each component of the building construction work, because otherwise you're 89 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 2: going to have a company going belly up. What are 90 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 2: you going to do about? 91 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: And then who have you got to chase? 92 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: Larry? 93 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: Thank you appreciate a very sober senior political correspondent. 94 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 2: For more from Heather Duplicy, Allan Drive, listen live to 95 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 2: news talks. 96 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 4: It'd be from four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 4: on iHeartRadio.