WEBVTT - The Panel with Luke Dallow and Kyle MacDonald: HYEFU, Easter trading, Liam Lawson

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from US Talks.

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<v Speaker 1>It be debating all the issues and more. It's the

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<v Speaker 2>They got cors big as bars, they got rivers of gold,

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<v Speaker 2>but the windows right through you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's no place for the old.

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<v Speaker 3>When you first in my hand on the cold Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 3>you promise me, Bradley was waiting for me.

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<v Speaker 2>You you were pretty queen off New York City. When

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<v Speaker 2>in the bout finished spray they sat swinging, singing weeks

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<v Speaker 2>then pass through the night the line.

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<v Speaker 4>Sing and.

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<v Speaker 2>For Christmas Day and a very good afternoon too you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Tim Beverage. Welcome to the Weekend Collective out, second

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<v Speaker 2>to last one for the year. This is Saturday, the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty first of December. In just a moment the panel,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, just a note on the Pogues, because

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<v Speaker 2>I think a week ago I think I bagged the

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<v Speaker 2>song a bit like, oh yeah, the Pogues and snippies Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's banging on about it. Then I had a closer

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<v Speaker 2>listen to it, and I just the production of it

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<v Speaker 2>and everything. I don't know, maybe I just got into

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<v Speaker 2>the Christmas spirit. But I actually kind of love the

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<v Speaker 2>song and I've been flogging it to death ever since

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<v Speaker 2>I bagged it, so maybe anyway, there we go. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>to the show, and an advance, and Merry Christmas to

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<v Speaker 2>you all. Looking just a bit, a little bit further

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<v Speaker 2>to the rest of the show. From four o'clock for

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<v Speaker 2>the One Roof Radio Show, Ed McKnight joins us. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a resident economist at Op's partners have a chat about

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<v Speaker 2>getting out the crystal ball and property predictions for the

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<v Speaker 2>new year on the back of the miserable news we

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<v Speaker 2>got on the High Fou. High fo sounds like it's

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of exercise ball, doesn't it. I'm getting the

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<v Speaker 2>high Foo out, but it's actually just a depressing reporter

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<v Speaker 2>about the government's books. And then for five o'clock for

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<v Speaker 2>the Parents Squad, John Cowan joins us and talking about

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<v Speaker 2>how far do you you know? How far do you

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<v Speaker 2>let your relatives comment on your child's I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how much they've got on their plate their behavior, avoiding

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<v Speaker 2>conflict at Christmas or do you just hold your breath

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<v Speaker 2>in and say goodbye and then wait for next Christmas.

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<v Speaker 2>All that and more will be taking your calls for

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<v Speaker 2>those hours on eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty,

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<v Speaker 2>but you can text your feedback anytime, including right now

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<v Speaker 2>for the panel and to introduce my panelists. We'll get

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<v Speaker 2>into it. He is a he's an ar restaurateur. He

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<v Speaker 2>has been an entrepreneur and he's currently busy keeping himself

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<v Speaker 2>busy with real estate. And his name is Luke Dalla Goode.

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<v Speaker 5>Louk. How are you going great? Weite Helm, very good.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been in the garden today getting out the Christmas

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<v Speaker 3>potatoes with my son's flatmates and have you a great

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<v Speaker 3>old time.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually the new potatoes is I think if you can

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<v Speaker 2>get them ay with a bit of uno buttery mints.

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<v Speaker 3>Beaten, especially out of your own garden too, So these

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<v Speaker 3>boys know how to garden.

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<v Speaker 2>Haven't been a restaurateur. Are you also quite a good

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<v Speaker 2>cook or do you do? You sort of hire people

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, and you've hired people to do that

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<v Speaker 2>gig for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh I love cooking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm sort of a pantry. I look at a pantry,

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<v Speaker 3>whip something up and go from the I've just.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought of it. I'm going to throw another topic into

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<v Speaker 2>the maxwell thrown at the end because I've got a

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<v Speaker 2>really hot take on what is a good key we dinner?

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<v Speaker 2>Say a think about that? Boys? And when I say boys,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a clue. My next guest is a boy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>a man. Actually he's fully he's all growing up and

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's the host of the Nutters Club. He's a

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<v Speaker 2>psychotherapist and he's a regular panelist with me. Now I

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<v Speaker 2>think we could say Carle McDonald, yeah, Cura, Yes, good afternoon.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh look, I'm really well. I this is my last

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<v Speaker 4>work act of the year. Is here? Put the old?

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<v Speaker 4>Put the old out of office on yesterday about four

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<v Speaker 4>o'clock and walked out of the office. And that was me.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you literally hang out out of the office sign?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you have a does it just say out

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<v Speaker 2>of office?

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<v Speaker 4>Formerly you have some sort of in the old email

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<v Speaker 4>out of Oh that technological? Sorry I thought you mean

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<v Speaker 4>you hang a sign on the door?

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<v Speaker 5>Literally, yeah, I post it note on the door.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a good thing to do with your home when

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<v Speaker 2>you go on holidays.

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<v Speaker 5>No, great are.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually yes, I'm going to save that other topic I've

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<v Speaker 2>just been brewing, because we'll get into the what I

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<v Speaker 2>touched on before. I'm not sure how strong you guys

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<v Speaker 2>are in economics. I sort of griped my teeth a bit.

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<v Speaker 2>But the report came out from Treasury, the state of

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<v Speaker 2>the government's books. I think they call it the half

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<v Speaker 2>the half yearly. Oh, come than out something up to

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<v Speaker 2>date and update with the word financing there. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't look good the government's books. They've got less

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<v Speaker 2>money to spend because productivity is down, and it's all

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<v Speaker 2>a bit miserable in a way. My first question would be, Luke,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a part of me that in this job you think, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and if I was looking to get into business,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd be worried about what this tells us about the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of money sloshing around. But for many people, they

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<v Speaker 2>are just thinking, well, as long as they can hang

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<v Speaker 2>on to my job, I don't really care. Where are

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<v Speaker 2>you at with this sort of stuff?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I think it's just a lo we're just washing

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<v Speaker 3>up what the previous government's just overspent. Right, So it's

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<v Speaker 3>a good time. I believe it's a good time to

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<v Speaker 3>get into business because it's at an infant stage and

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<v Speaker 3>things that are going to get better and better and better.

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<v Speaker 3>We have to realize that things are going to get

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<v Speaker 3>better and better. We've got to speak positively as well,

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<v Speaker 3>and sometimes media doesn't speak that positive about things, but

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<v Speaker 3>we need to start speaking and thinking positive within the

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<v Speaker 3>New Zealand, within the New Zealand business.

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<v Speaker 2>I think there's some quite famous, famously successful business people

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<v Speaker 2>who have actually said, the time when everyone's sort of

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<v Speaker 2>crying into their corn flakes. That's my quote, not theirs,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's my analogy. Is actually the time to get

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<v Speaker 2>cracking when there is a recession, that's time to start

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<v Speaker 2>marshaling and really get planning because when it kicks into action,

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<v Speaker 2>you're ready. Is that the approach you'd take.

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<v Speaker 5>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got to be a head of the game and

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to get You've got to get a head

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<v Speaker 3>of the game. You've got to start now. If you

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<v Speaker 3>got the money, do it now, get into business because

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<v Speaker 3>it's only going to get better.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite a big f, isn't it, Kyle, if you've got

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<v Speaker 2>the money.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>What was your response to that news?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh well, I mean what I start. What I look at,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, you know, is the way in which the

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<v Speaker 4>health system in particular but also education has been really

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<v Speaker 4>struggling this last year. For not just for funding, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think for morale. It's interesting. I read sort of

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<v Speaker 4>three columns this week in the in the wonderful paper

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<v Speaker 4>that is the New Zealand Herald, and they all talked

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<v Speaker 4>about the various sort of views on the economic situation.

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<v Speaker 4>Not a single one of them mentioned tax and I think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, we talk a lot about how the government

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<v Speaker 4>is struggling to pay the costs, you know, but fundamentally

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<v Speaker 4>we look at one side of the balance, which is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, how how are we going to reduce costs?

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<v Speaker 4>But everyone's terrified about bringing up the tea word. Politically,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, the problem is the government doesn't necessarily have

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<v Speaker 4>enough income to provide the infrastructure that Cawy want.

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is this is where we get to

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of classic left right sort of divide on this,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't it, Because there'd be those who say, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>tax your way to prosperity. You've got to create the

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<v Speaker 2>conditions where we can build our productivity.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't.

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<v Speaker 4>But it seems you can get you can tax cut

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<v Speaker 4>your way to an election, one which I think cynically

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<v Speaker 4>as part of the problem that you know, buying the

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<v Speaker 4>electorates is one way to get to win an election.

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<v Speaker 4>But part of the problem is, you know, we've got

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<v Speaker 4>a massive infrastructure deficit in this country. When we look

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<v Speaker 4>at health, when we look at road, and we look

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<v Speaker 4>at public transport, we've got some issues.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Wouldn't mind paying more tax if I knew the government

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<v Speaker 3>was going to spend it correctly right in the right areas, teaching, health,

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<v Speaker 3>the police, crime, they there, keep it there. I'm haby

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<v Speaker 3>to pay more and more tax.

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<v Speaker 2>It's actually it's an interesting philosophical thing. But it's a

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<v Speaker 2>bit like the whole toll roads that some people hate

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of toll roads. But actually, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>most isn't it funny? There was some argument about this.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember where it is. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 2>wood bill around and they're not going to be paying

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<v Speaker 2>a toll, but.

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<v Speaker 5>They objected to the top.

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<v Speaker 2>But the funny thing is the cost and petrol for

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<v Speaker 2>the other road they've been doing. If you paying a

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<v Speaker 2>two dollars fifty toll, I don't mind paying for those things.

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<v Speaker 2>But then that's that's a choice, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>is it is that con that obvious divide about what

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<v Speaker 2>should the state be providing just full stop, and what

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<v Speaker 2>are the things where we actually are like, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll pay for that myself. I don't mind. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>whereabout to you on that?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh look, I'll be fine if I genuinely believe that

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<v Speaker 4>it was that thought through. I think what happens is

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<v Speaker 4>we cut taxes to win elections and then have to

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<v Speaker 4>sort of backfill all of the gaps and funding that

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<v Speaker 4>are obviously there. Like roads is kind of one of

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<v Speaker 4>those basics, isn't it that you know? And I think

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<v Speaker 4>it does sting some people when you feel like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>you're paying your taxes and then you've got to pay

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<v Speaker 4>extra for all these other things.

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<v Speaker 5>User pays, user pays. I'm right into it, user pays.

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<v Speaker 2>So if you take how far would you take that? Though?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I mean, people like Roger Douglas would say he's

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<v Speaker 2>had a crack at the Act Again. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you know all politicians have. Being crack at their

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<v Speaker 2>former party is nothing new, is it. I think his

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<v Speaker 2>theory is that better doest to give people more money

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<v Speaker 2>and let them buy their own health insurance. But the

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<v Speaker 2>problem is it's a bit like saying give them all

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<v Speaker 2>more money and they'll do their own retirement, but they don't,

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<v Speaker 2>and so there is it's trying to find that role

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<v Speaker 2>where the state just has to go, Look, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure that there's a blank there's a safety

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<v Speaker 2>net for everyone. And you know what I mean, where

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<v Speaker 2>do you draw the line? Do you think we should

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<v Speaker 2>have more money? And look, if you want to get

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<v Speaker 2>health care, you go buy your own insurance.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I think also in text you go, right, the first

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<v Speaker 3>two hundred bucks and texts that I pay goes to

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<v Speaker 3>health The second two hundred dollars a tax goes to police.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you'd like to have the choice, Well, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>this is your higdred this is where it goes, like

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<v Speaker 3>this is where my money's going.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Kyle, Yeah, I think we can only have to

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<v Speaker 4>look at America to see how well they held user

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<v Speaker 4>pay system with health goes.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah yeah, Actually would I would, just in a Christmas sense,

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<v Speaker 6>push back against the notion of tax cuts if you're

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<v Speaker 6>referring to the to the shifting of the tax brackets,

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<v Speaker 6>because that's only because I'd be totally dishonest if I

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<v Speaker 6>didn't say, because for years and years the tax.

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<v Speaker 2>Brackets have been where they are and as as inflation

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<v Speaker 2>creeps in the average way journer pays a higher and

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<v Speaker 2>higher proportion of their tax, and I one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 2>thought that that was highly overdue.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's pretty hard to take you against that. I agree,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's lots of other things that could be done.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm a bit scared about bringing that capital gainst.

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<v Speaker 5>I might get through it.

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<v Speaker 2>Now here's the thing I mean, I think the capital

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<v Speaker 2>gains tax is it's not as straightforward, right, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are a lot of people who think, actually, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily object to it, but it's just in

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<v Speaker 2>how it's going to be implemented and who it would

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<v Speaker 2>affect and things like that. That's when the rubber hits the

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<v Speaker 2>road that everyone's going to have so many different which

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<v Speaker 2>is why different opinions. But the idea that it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to cool the real estate market is Frankly, I think

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<v Speaker 2>I can say bollocks on radio. Oops you just did. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>But it's nonsense because it's a bit like hey, Tim,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to give you a pay rise and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to pay you a million bucks a year. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you want to do it?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be paying more tax on that?

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<v Speaker 1>No?

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, if money is to be made, who cares? If

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<v Speaker 2>you're paying tax on it?

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<v Speaker 5>Who cares?

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<v Speaker 4>Loke exactly, who cares?

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<v Speaker 3>If you're gonna make money, you pay text on it.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you've got fifteen properties and you're making money

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<v Speaker 3>of it, money out of it, brilliant.

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<v Speaker 5>Good on you.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually on the mood thing, because news we can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about GDP being down. I think we've touched on that.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's not get too depressed at Christmas time.

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<v Speaker 5>But actually I've got a little line here, right, Have.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a little line?

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<v Speaker 3>Stay alive through twenty five, then thrive and come alive

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<v Speaker 3>in twenty six.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you standing for politics?

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<v Speaker 5>No? But I reckon twenty five. Is it's going to

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<v Speaker 5>be another tough year?

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<v Speaker 2>I think it might be. But did you notice that

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<v Speaker 2>I managed to continue your ryme? Yep? Anyway. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>that's the problem is words like recession do make you

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<v Speaker 2>feel a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I know.

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<v Speaker 4>Then I liked what you were saying about you know.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually we've got to watch how we talk about these

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<v Speaker 4>things because I think it can become self perpetuating. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>everybody's being told that everything's going bad, and then everyone

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<v Speaker 4>puts their check books away, everyone stops spending and actually

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<v Speaker 4>but self perpetuating. I think the important thing is if

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<v Speaker 4>you do have a bit of extra money to spare,

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<v Speaker 4>make sure you get out to the local businesses. Make

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<v Speaker 4>sure you know, you pop down to the local bars,

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<v Speaker 4>local cafes. One of the things we always try and

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<v Speaker 4>do when we're on summer holidays is always try and

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<v Speaker 4>spend some money in the local community. Make sure you

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<v Speaker 4>try all the cafes, and you know, go and buy

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<v Speaker 4>some things from the shops, because that summertime is when

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<v Speaker 4>people rely on that income.

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<v Speaker 5>Spread the love resolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, how important is that from it I mean from

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<v Speaker 2>a psychotherapist point of view, in terms of the way

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<v Speaker 2>we approach things and the way we define challenges we've got.

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<v Speaker 2>If you feel it's bad, it's a bit like somebody says, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>if you think you're losing, you're probably right because your

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<v Speaker 2>mentality is there. How much can people make a difference

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<v Speaker 2>to their lives and their general well being simply by

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<v Speaker 2>the way they approach bad news.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think the thing to be careful of is,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, what's the old saying. You get eleven economists

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<v Speaker 4>in a room and they'll come up with twelve different

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<v Speaker 4>opinions to a certain extent. There's a bit of crystal

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<v Speaker 4>ball gazing with this stuff, isn't there. So actually I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's about, you know, making sure that you're on

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<v Speaker 4>top of your own personal circumstance and being sensible about it,

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<v Speaker 4>but also not buying into the not buying into the pessimism.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think, make good decisions for yourself and

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<v Speaker 4>if you had a little bit extra to spend, don't

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<v Speaker 4>feel scared to spend it.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually know. The other thing is, at least the sun

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<v Speaker 2>will be shining most of the summer. If we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be dealing with a recession, hopefully, then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>at least we've got good weather.

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<v Speaker 4>Beach is a free toom.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one, just look just before we go to

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<v Speaker 2>the break. I was surprised by this one. The Easter

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<v Speaker 2>trading bill doesn't pass, so there's always discussions around, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the freedom of choice and things, and retailers want this,

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<v Speaker 2>they want the ability to trade. There have been examples

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<v Speaker 2>brought up that you can catch a flight on a

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<v Speaker 2>New Zealand on Good Friday and Easter and all the

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<v Speaker 2>shops at the airport are trading, and yet you could

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<v Speaker 2>cross the street to the mall and they have to

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<v Speaker 2>be shut, which is a good argument. I can see

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<v Speaker 2>Luke's absolutely like a He's like a race horse at

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<v Speaker 2>the gate here. He's ready to burst out. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't philosophically, I can't justify keeping the stores closed, except

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<v Speaker 2>then I go, hang on, who'd want the shops to

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<v Speaker 2>be happen on Christmas Day?

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<v Speaker 4>Either?

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<v Speaker 2>So we do create these exceptions, and I kind of think, Look,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're thinking of buying a new couch on Good Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll go to the shops on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 3>But over to you, Luke, I am all for closing

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<v Speaker 3>Good Friday, Easter Sunday and Christmas Day. It's a community day,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a family day. It's been embracing who you've got,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's what.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm all for. Can we have a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 3>That we don't have to think about business. I've been

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<v Speaker 3>in business with thirty five years. Easter Weekend was the

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<v Speaker 3>one I was looking forward to because I knew I

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't working.

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<v Speaker 2>I wasn't anticipating that response because you just had this

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<v Speaker 2>really come on to me, have my say, Whereas Carl's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll speak when I'm ready I.

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<v Speaker 4>Mean, I agree. I mean I think it's too easy

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<v Speaker 4>to get caught up in everything needed to be open

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<v Speaker 4>all of the time. I mean, I'm not particular religious,

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<v Speaker 4>so the religious aspect doesn't It doesn't mean a lot

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<v Speaker 4>to me, it means a lot to other people. But

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<v Speaker 4>as you say, their family days, I think the thing

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<v Speaker 4>to be really thoughtful about is it's often minimum mage

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<v Speaker 4>workers and the young who end up working on those days.

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<v Speaker 4>And actually it's very easy for people who don't have

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<v Speaker 4>to work on those days to decide they should be open.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my goodness, I think we sort of all agree.

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<v Speaker 2>I just can't logically argue for it, except on your

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<v Speaker 2>on your point about you know, maybe they're just so

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<v Speaker 2>what if it's a religious festival? Is the reason every

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<v Speaker 2>and now and again we people take the day off

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<v Speaker 2>except for the shops at the airport, and which is

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<v Speaker 2>a weird one. Oh yeah, the garden say something. I

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<v Speaker 2>love the fact you mentioned that, because it's literally you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing talk back on Easter Sunday, and you know, top

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<v Speaker 2>of the list garden centers versus. Anyway, Hey, look we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to be back. Well, lots more to talk talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Tim Beverage. This is the weekend. Collect my guests Luke

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<v Speaker 2>Dallo and car MacDonald. We'll be back in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 2>Twenty two past three talks. He'd be all the weather

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<v Speaker 2>outside is paid for what the fire is so delightful.

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<v Speaker 4>And since we've not pleased to go, let it snow,

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<v Speaker 4>let it stow, let it snow.

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<v Speaker 2>Man to welcome back to the week and leave the panel.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess Luke dallow and car m MacDonald. A document that

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<v Speaker 2>we've given to the guys has a photo of me

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<v Speaker 2>from my Christmas album. Looks like is this you? I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, this is Dean Martin anyway, but thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for I think that's a compliment. Thanks Luke anyway. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>just before we get into things into our next sort

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<v Speaker 2>of topic about the minimum wage, there has been a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of discussion this year, in the last few days

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<v Speaker 2>about the politician of the year, and everyone's got their favorite.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think there is an official politician of the year.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe some of the pundits came and they averaged them

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<v Speaker 2>out and it was Erica stand Kyle. Who's your politician

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<v Speaker 2>of the year.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I'm going to be boringly predictive, but mine's Chloe Swabrick.

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<v Speaker 4>I think she's carried the Green Party pretty much on

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<v Speaker 4>her own since James Shaw left done with Manema's cancer

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<v Speaker 4>diagnosis unfortunately, and that's a it's a tough role because

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<v Speaker 4>not only have you got the members, you've also got

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<v Speaker 4>them a membership of the party. So yeah, she'd be

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<v Speaker 4>my she doesn't.

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<v Speaker 2>She does look like the mantle of the leadership is

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<v Speaker 2>hanging heavily around his shoulders because there was a deafness

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<v Speaker 2>of touch.

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<v Speaker 5>Terrible.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet he's gone one passed away.

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<v Speaker 5>Sadly.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a really rough year for them.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind you, they could have probably hastened Darling Tana's except

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<v Speaker 2>but never mind. Uh Luke, you're Politician of the year.

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<v Speaker 5>Well I'm going Winston Peters.

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<v Speaker 2>But minister racing.

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<v Speaker 3>Minister racing because he's banning greyhound racing.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I think that is great. We've all been

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<v Speaker 5>talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a real mean sport and that's great and he's

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<v Speaker 3>actually done.

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<v Speaker 4>It green policy too, by the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually I was surprised about that because I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You just think, mistery of racing, you're into anything where

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<v Speaker 2>if it runs and you can bet on it, that

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<v Speaker 2>then I'm your man. But then suddenly, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>did some talk on this, and I've heard from greyhound

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<v Speaker 2>owners and racers who loved their animals and they were

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<v Speaker 2>pushing back against it and things. But I think they're up.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're going to win this one.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's yeah, I know, I think it was

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<v Speaker 4>a good move. I mean my understanding is that it

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<v Speaker 4>can be a bit it can be a bit more

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<v Speaker 4>cruelman horse racing, and it's also kind of business wise

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<v Speaker 4>on the dive a bit. So yeah, I agree, good.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm I'm not interesting actually on the greyhounds terrible.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also worth messing. I think as a as a

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<v Speaker 2>foreign minister, Winston's been on fire. I mean quite a

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<v Speaker 2>transition from someone who in the campaigning mode I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>like him at all, and yet you know now he's

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<v Speaker 2>in the job.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's hilarious when you listen to him interviewed.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that there's two Winston's as the New Zealand first

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<v Speaker 4>leader that turns up and just rips into everything, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you get the foreign minister and it's all very calm,

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<v Speaker 4>diplomat mode. I don't know whether he has two modes

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<v Speaker 4>that he switched if we still.

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<v Speaker 2>Had decent comedy sketch shows, you can probably do a

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<v Speaker 2>sketch about that. You've had New Zealand first Winston and

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<v Speaker 2>deputy Prime Minister, and you could interview them both at once. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>you will be surprised at my Politician of the Year

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<v Speaker 2>because I almost disagree with myself, but then I argue

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<v Speaker 2>why it is, and then I think, no, he has

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<v Speaker 2>to be Politician of the Year and so not so

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<v Speaker 2>exciting as choosing Winston. It's luxon and the reason is

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<v Speaker 2>he himself isn't rocking and rolling in the publicity stakes

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<v Speaker 2>right and the popularity stakes. But in my view, he

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<v Speaker 2>has a team of ministers who are all working hard

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<v Speaker 2>on task and there'll be an argument about with what

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<v Speaker 2>measure of success. And to me, he's put together that coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>He got Seymour and Winston talking to each other and

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<v Speaker 2>they seem to have a even if it's a grudging respect,

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<v Speaker 2>there seems to be a level of And I was thinking,

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<v Speaker 2>he's the Prime minister, it's his job to put that

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<v Speaker 2>team together and have those two political leaders working together,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know what it is, and I sort of

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<v Speaker 2>think he has to be Politician of the Year. Even

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<v Speaker 2>though you're not going to see him, you know, necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>winning the cuddling baby steaks type of thing. Do I

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<v Speaker 2>make a case, Guys, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I see what you're coming from, because there's actually he's

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<v Speaker 3>picked those people for those roles and for what he's doing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I noticed that most of his interviews, if

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<v Speaker 3>there's any debate or he just says, my minister is

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<v Speaker 3>looking after it, which is the best way of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I like that. I like the fact that the

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<v Speaker 2>team has become more prominent. Kyle, tell me why I'm wrong? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>do you great?

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<v Speaker 4>You were entitled to your opinion. I think my concern

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<v Speaker 4>is that I'm not sure all national voters would necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>agree because it does feel a bit like act and

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<v Speaker 4>he's in the first to kind of running the ship

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<v Speaker 4>at times. So but yeah, look, I mean I guess

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<v Speaker 4>I will say he's gotten better.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think if we had a sound effect for

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<v Speaker 2>a round of applause, well then we would play that

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<v Speaker 2>right now. But my producer tires too busy daydreaming about

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<v Speaker 2>Liam Lawson. Are we going to talk about later on?

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<v Speaker 5>Hey?

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, look, we do need to let people

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<v Speaker 2>know if you're listening, then there has been a widespread

0:21:26.361 --> 0:21:29.081
<v Speaker 2>power outage in the Hawk's Bay region. Transpowers is a

0:21:29.161 --> 0:21:32.121
<v Speaker 2>lightning strike has caused the outages. They're working on fixing

0:21:32.121 --> 0:21:34.681
<v Speaker 2>the issue if you can, if you're in that region

0:21:34.721 --> 0:21:37.201
<v Speaker 2>and you're still able to hear this announcement, obviously because

0:21:37.241 --> 0:21:39.761
<v Speaker 2>some won't. We'll have more at the top of the

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<v Speaker 2>hour on the news and the updout on that. So

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<v Speaker 2>just to let you know, last sort of mild Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't a heavy topic, was it. Politician the year

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<v Speaker 2>celebrating someone shouldn't be ah, but the minimum wage increase

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<v Speaker 2>in April, it's only going at one and a half percent,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three dollars fifty an hour. There will be those

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<v Speaker 2>who will say that that's a woeful increase, and there'll

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<v Speaker 2>be those who say, well, we have one of the

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<v Speaker 2>highest minimum wage increases minimum wages in the world, the

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<v Speaker 2>developed world. And I hate to the problem I think

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<v Speaker 2>we've got just before I throw to you guys, is

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<v Speaker 2>the minimum wage is not an ideal wage, and it

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<v Speaker 2>should never be the ideal wage. I think we need

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<v Speaker 2>to aspire that people are not on the minimum wage

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<v Speaker 2>that becomes the standard. Kyle, what do you reckon?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Like I mean, looking at it in isolation, it's tricky,

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<v Speaker 4>isn't it, Because I mean it's not a living wage. No,

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<v Speaker 4>And certainly one of my big concerns about things like

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<v Speaker 4>the minimum wages is a bit like minimum building standards

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<v Speaker 4>that people aim for them rather than setting a floor.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's probably much more easy to live on the

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<v Speaker 4>minimum wage and timuru than it is in Auckland for instance.

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<v Speaker 2>Well so if you're someone fresh out of school on

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<v Speaker 2>your first job and somebody's giving you a chance, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the thing. If you're holding it to be No

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<v Speaker 2>one can live and buy a house in Auckland on

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<v Speaker 2>this wage. Well yeah, but I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>what it's for Luke.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I just think it's a token gesture to increase

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<v Speaker 3>the minimum wage.

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<v Speaker 5>That's all it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like another fourteen dollars for a forty a week,

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<v Speaker 3>and what do you do with fourteen dollars? Can you

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<v Speaker 3>pay your brorge with that? No, it's a token gesture.

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<v Speaker 3>They should have held all of it and maybe put

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<v Speaker 3>a double up in the next year or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, you think they would have been more meaningful as

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<v Speaker 2>to say, look, we're not going to mind you. They

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<v Speaker 2>get a pasting, wouldn't they, So you'd be probably right.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a token gesture. Yeah, I guess that's all

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<v Speaker 2>it is. Yeah, okay, moving on. Then we've done the

0:23:27.281 --> 0:23:29.641
<v Speaker 2>minimum wage. But on the other thing. The other things

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<v Speaker 2>that are up is domestic flight costs are up something

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<v Speaker 2>like ten point eight percent in November. This is according

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<v Speaker 2>to Stats New Zealand. The cost of domestic accommodation. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's tourist accommodation rose by six point nine percent.

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<v Speaker 2>It's apparently related to as well. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>coincides with performance is by several global artists around New Zealand.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think this is a cynical thing that we

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<v Speaker 2>see these airfes go up? Or I mean I see

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<v Speaker 2>in New Zealand. I mean it does sound like it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough to do business. But I kind of do get

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<v Speaker 2>annoyed when the affairs seem to go up just when

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<v Speaker 2>everyone wants to fly. But is it supply and demand?

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<v Speaker 2>Cal We'll go with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I find they're pricing pretty impenetrable. I mean it's a

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<v Speaker 4>bit like you know, it's pure supply and demand, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So the closer you get to the time, the more

0:24:19.001 --> 0:24:21.081
<v Speaker 4>expensive flights become. One of the weird things about New

0:24:21.161 --> 0:24:23.921
<v Speaker 4>Zealand is it We're so small and there's so little

0:24:24.041 --> 0:24:26.961
<v Speaker 4>actual competition and so many you know, little flights that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, it can cost more to fly sort of

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<v Speaker 4>from here to Napier than it can to fly to

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<v Speaker 4>christ You Sometimes it's a bit crazy, really. I mean

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<v Speaker 4>I can understand their business and they've got to make money,

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<v Speaker 4>but it does smack a bit when you're sort of

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<v Speaker 4>the New Zealand taxpayers shareholders as well and prop them

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<v Speaker 4>up through COVID. It sort of does bite, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lingering sort of resentment that I might

0:24:45.881 --> 0:24:48.121
<v Speaker 2>not be able to logically justify, you know, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>just bloody annoyed.

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<v Speaker 3>I get annoyed with it all the time because I

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<v Speaker 3>had my son's graduation earlier this year and I booked

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<v Speaker 3>it like eight months out and it was bloom and

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<v Speaker 3>high because they worked out that eOne wants to go

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<v Speaker 3>to a targo, so they put the prices up and

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<v Speaker 3>it was already I mean, how much do they come?

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<v Speaker 2>How much did it cost to to go return?

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<v Speaker 3>Roughly eighteen? Oh yeah, see eight and ten dollars. I

0:25:12.761 --> 0:25:14.681
<v Speaker 3>mean that's money. There's a lot of money for a

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<v Speaker 3>whole family to go down.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'll be honest. I'm well, I'm always honest on

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<v Speaker 2>the show, of course. But it's just a nice little

0:25:20.081 --> 0:25:25.201
<v Speaker 2>sort of a bit of verbal meaningless verbiage. But we're

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<v Speaker 2>not sure what we're doing for a holiday. When when

0:25:27.441 --> 0:25:30.361
<v Speaker 2>I finished doing breakfast and we've got about ten days

0:25:30.761 --> 0:25:33.201
<v Speaker 2>and you look at flying somewhere around the country or

0:25:33.241 --> 0:25:36.041
<v Speaker 2>going down to ourtown. I love that. I do love

0:25:36.081 --> 0:25:38.081
<v Speaker 2>that part of the world, even though in the school

0:25:38.081 --> 0:25:41.641
<v Speaker 2>holidays everyone screws New Zealand families for as much money

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<v Speaker 2>as they can get, which does cause I'm building some

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<v Speaker 2>resentment about that.

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<v Speaker 4>Well fair enough, because at the same time we've been

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<v Speaker 4>told we're not allowed to take our kids out of

0:25:48.441 --> 0:25:49.201
<v Speaker 4>school anymore.

0:25:49.521 --> 0:25:50.201
<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>Again, We're getting it from both ends, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that sounds painful and we're but anyway, I went

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<v Speaker 2>to I went to the flight center and got them

0:26:00.401 --> 0:26:03.521
<v Speaker 2>to budget a holiday to go to Australia. And you

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<v Speaker 2>know what flights wise, I must just go to was

0:26:05.761 --> 0:26:08.201
<v Speaker 2>he go to Sydney, go to Brisbane and go to

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<v Speaker 2>Melbourne On New New Zealand. Actually, to be honest, who

0:26:12.841 --> 0:26:14.361
<v Speaker 2>cares when you go to you know, you look for

0:26:14.401 --> 0:26:16.321
<v Speaker 2>the reputable lines and just go for the best deal.

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<v Speaker 2>But it does kind of great, doesn't it? That here

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<v Speaker 2>to christ Churchen return, Okay, I can imagine that the

0:26:23.841 --> 0:26:25.841
<v Speaker 2>New Zealand's response as it would be, And I don't

0:26:25.841 --> 0:26:27.401
<v Speaker 2>want to beat up on them too much because you

0:26:27.441 --> 0:26:31.681
<v Speaker 2>know they're not exactly creaming. It would be that you've

0:26:31.681 --> 0:26:33.521
<v Speaker 2>just got to get in early, that's right.

0:26:33.761 --> 0:26:36.161
<v Speaker 3>But also what New Zealand got is nine planes that

0:26:36.201 --> 0:26:39.201
<v Speaker 3>are on the ground waiting for parts. Yeah, and that's

0:26:39.241 --> 0:26:41.601
<v Speaker 3>a lot of planes to be on the ground, it is,

0:26:41.681 --> 0:26:43.921
<v Speaker 3>so that's causing demand as well. And I don't want

0:26:43.921 --> 0:26:46.521
<v Speaker 3>to use that excuse, but that is we all turn

0:26:46.521 --> 0:26:48.161
<v Speaker 3>around defending.

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<v Speaker 4>Is as an infrastructure solutioner here of course as well

0:26:51.281 --> 0:26:55.561
<v Speaker 4>high speed rail Winston get how high railways onto it?

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<v Speaker 2>How high speed are we talking.

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<v Speaker 4>Way four hundred and something kilumitus an hour in Japan?

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<v Speaker 4>About three hours?

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<v Speaker 2>You can't even get just enormal thake big ten. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>I would love imagine New Zealand with high speed two

0:27:12.801 --> 0:27:14.801
<v Speaker 2>and a half three hours to Wellington Bang. How much

0:27:14.801 --> 0:27:15.401
<v Speaker 2>would it cost?

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<v Speaker 5>Forty five bucks.

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<v Speaker 4>Bring the capital gains text and cover the whole lot.

0:27:20.721 --> 0:27:23.201
<v Speaker 2>That sounds like you're that sounds like you're standing for

0:27:23.241 --> 0:27:25.361
<v Speaker 2>the Greens again, Kyle. It's like how much is it

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<v Speaker 2>going to cost?

0:27:26.001 --> 0:27:30.681
<v Speaker 4>Up how much it will cost to how much value

0:27:30.721 --> 0:27:31.201
<v Speaker 4>you get from it?

0:27:31.281 --> 0:27:33.281
<v Speaker 2>Like I don't think anyone is a thing would object

0:27:33.281 --> 0:27:35.201
<v Speaker 2>to that, but we probably need another five or ten

0:27:35.241 --> 0:27:37.041
<v Speaker 2>million people in New Zealand and then imagine what the

0:27:37.081 --> 0:27:40.321
<v Speaker 2>property prices will be. Then oh my goodness, Ah, look

0:27:40.361 --> 0:27:41.601
<v Speaker 2>tell you what. We're going to take a moment and

0:27:41.601 --> 0:27:44.281
<v Speaker 2>we're going to come back because the big news of

0:27:44.441 --> 0:27:46.761
<v Speaker 2>which we a lot of us who follow if one,

0:27:46.921 --> 0:27:50.241
<v Speaker 2>have been waiting for. Liam Lawson has been confirmed as

0:27:50.321 --> 0:27:53.681
<v Speaker 2>joining Red Bull. It's a huge deal for him, not

0:27:53.841 --> 0:27:56.961
<v Speaker 2>just as a career, but I think probably the income

0:27:57.121 --> 0:28:00.601
<v Speaker 2>is slightly above the minimum wage. We'll be back in

0:28:00.641 --> 0:28:02.441
<v Speaker 2>just a moment, news talks. He b it's twenty three

0:28:02.441 --> 0:28:15.481
<v Speaker 2>minutes to four, dreaming Harve Christmas, just like the one

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<v Speaker 2>I used.

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<v Speaker 1>To know.

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<v Speaker 2>Where the tree tim listen and welcome back. Yes that's me, Look, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's me. My producer's contracts is used to play me once.

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<v Speaker 4>I think I let that run a bit longer.

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<v Speaker 5>I know, I let the.

0:28:34.521 --> 0:28:37.401
<v Speaker 2>Pokes go way longer. That's the one that's the play

0:28:37.481 --> 0:28:39.721
<v Speaker 2>that gets in the States about three million listens a year.

0:28:39.721 --> 0:28:41.521
<v Speaker 2>I've got onto someone's playlist.

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<v Speaker 5>Royalty rty, Yeah I do.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, f'st one here enough to play for the

0:28:45.361 --> 0:28:47.481
<v Speaker 2>Christmas pay for the three and a half million plays

0:28:47.481 --> 0:28:49.561
<v Speaker 2>does give you something, but nice one, not as much

0:28:49.561 --> 0:28:50.081
<v Speaker 2>as you think.

0:28:50.121 --> 0:28:51.441
<v Speaker 5>So right now you're getting paid.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah No, probably I go into the mix with whatever

0:28:56.721 --> 0:28:59.641
<v Speaker 2>the road. No, No, probably three cents if I play

0:28:59.641 --> 0:29:01.401
<v Speaker 2>it about five hundred times.

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<v Speaker 4>When you just have it running on a loop at

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<v Speaker 4>home constantly.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:29:03.881 --> 0:29:07.961
<v Speaker 2>I think I need to get this. Yeah, I need

0:29:07.961 --> 0:29:11.561
<v Speaker 2>to get some sort of hacking thing going around devices

0:29:11.561 --> 0:29:15.481
<v Speaker 2>around the world. Now the big news for Liam Lawson

0:29:15.561 --> 0:29:16.761
<v Speaker 2>and now I don't know where you guys are on

0:29:16.801 --> 0:29:19.401
<v Speaker 2>the f one, but somebody has suggested to me a

0:29:19.401 --> 0:29:22.401
<v Speaker 2>while ago to start watching Drive to Survive around the

0:29:22.441 --> 0:29:24.721
<v Speaker 2>time that Nelliam Lawson was emerging, and I got into it,

0:29:24.761 --> 0:29:27.521
<v Speaker 2>and I'm right into it because I love there's a

0:29:27.521 --> 0:29:29.161
<v Speaker 2>few things I love about it. I love the fact

0:29:29.161 --> 0:29:31.321
<v Speaker 2>that people at the top of their game with this

0:29:31.441 --> 0:29:34.761
<v Speaker 2>push to for excellence all the time, can still front

0:29:34.801 --> 0:29:39.801
<v Speaker 2>up to the cameras and give interesting, aerodyite interviews, sometimes

0:29:39.881 --> 0:29:44.041
<v Speaker 2>quite combative. It's entertaining. The racing's amazing. In twenty twenty six,

0:29:44.081 --> 0:29:45.801
<v Speaker 2>all the fuel is going to be sustainable. I say

0:29:45.841 --> 0:29:49.921
<v Speaker 2>that for Carle MacDonald, but I just and now Liam Lawson.

0:29:49.921 --> 0:29:51.561
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if people realize how big a deal

0:29:51.601 --> 0:29:54.081
<v Speaker 2>this is for someone to get into this position. So

0:29:54.161 --> 0:29:59.161
<v Speaker 2>his income has probably gone from with his previous deal,

0:29:59.201 --> 0:30:01.161
<v Speaker 2>from a couple hundred thousand, maybe hundred and FFT thousand

0:30:01.161 --> 0:30:04.641
<v Speaker 2>a year probably to somewhere a few mill plus bonuses.

0:30:05.281 --> 0:30:07.521
<v Speaker 2>We'll go to you, Luke. You into the F one.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the one and Liam Lawson what a cool guy.

0:30:10.881 --> 0:30:13.481
<v Speaker 3>I just love how he interviews. It's so confident. It's

0:30:13.521 --> 0:30:17.081
<v Speaker 3>luck he's been there for one hundred years and now

0:30:17.121 --> 0:30:19.041
<v Speaker 3>he's in the same steps. It's all those other great

0:30:19.121 --> 0:30:25.161
<v Speaker 3>New Zealand motorsport racing like McLaren and Scott Dixon and

0:30:25.161 --> 0:30:28.801
<v Speaker 3>so forth. But how cool is that also to be

0:30:28.921 --> 0:30:31.681
<v Speaker 3>racing with the Maximstafan That.

0:30:31.521 --> 0:30:32.081
<v Speaker 5>Is the coolest.

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<v Speaker 2>Well Poison Chalice possibly possibly the number two guy, tough

0:30:37.161 --> 0:30:39.361
<v Speaker 2>to have the top guy in the world as your

0:30:39.361 --> 0:30:41.601
<v Speaker 2>teammate Kyle, have you been following it.

0:30:42.161 --> 0:30:44.241
<v Speaker 4>I've never really been a huge fan, to be honest,

0:30:44.241 --> 0:30:46.201
<v Speaker 4>for no other reason. That's never really hooked me, but

0:30:46.241 --> 0:30:48.361
<v Speaker 4>a bit like you. I started watching Drive to Survive

0:30:48.401 --> 0:30:50.241
<v Speaker 4>when season one came out and sort of got into it,

0:30:50.241 --> 0:30:52.001
<v Speaker 4>and I sort of started watching the odd Live Race

0:30:52.041 --> 0:30:54.001
<v Speaker 4>and I thought, gosh, that was a good marketing plan

0:30:54.081 --> 0:30:56.961
<v Speaker 4>for Formula One wasn't a series out. But I agree

0:30:57.001 --> 0:30:59.561
<v Speaker 4>with you. The thing I like about Liam as he

0:30:59.801 --> 0:31:01.841
<v Speaker 4>seems to have just turned up and decided I'm not

0:31:01.921 --> 0:31:05.161
<v Speaker 4>taking any rubbish from anybody. He's been aggressive and I

0:31:05.241 --> 0:31:07.001
<v Speaker 4>really liked what he had to say about McLaren because,

0:31:07.041 --> 0:31:09.681
<v Speaker 4>you know, it had never really occurred to me that

0:31:09.761 --> 0:31:12.481
<v Speaker 4>McLaren is a is a you know, Bruce Claire New

0:31:12.561 --> 0:31:15.841
<v Speaker 4>Zealand play in New Zealander. Yes, it's based in Great Britain.

0:31:15.841 --> 0:31:17.281
<v Speaker 4>But he was saying they should be playing the New

0:31:17.361 --> 0:31:20.121
<v Speaker 4>Zealand national ent. They're not the British national yea, because.

0:31:20.281 --> 0:31:24.001
<v Speaker 2>Because who's in the Austrian franchise which is based in

0:31:24.561 --> 0:31:26.961
<v Speaker 2>Silverstone or somewhere in England but they still play the

0:31:26.961 --> 0:31:29.521
<v Speaker 2>Austrian anthem. I can't mean which it was? Was it?

0:31:30.001 --> 0:31:31.361
<v Speaker 2>Now somebody else can tell me, text me.

0:31:31.361 --> 0:31:33.081
<v Speaker 4>If you like Red Bulls Austrian, isn't it?

0:31:33.201 --> 0:31:34.361
<v Speaker 5>Oh? Yeah, that was it?

0:31:34.601 --> 0:31:37.601
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was it. Actually, it's funny when you see

0:31:37.641 --> 0:31:40.281
<v Speaker 2>him interviewed, it's hard to imagine that he's the guy

0:31:40.281 --> 0:31:43.121
<v Speaker 2>that also flipped the finger at Sergio Perez I like,

0:31:43.521 --> 0:31:45.321
<v Speaker 2>which still.

0:31:46.641 --> 0:31:49.241
<v Speaker 4>Quite MA can't really back down at three hundred and

0:31:49.241 --> 0:31:51.201
<v Speaker 4>twenty kilometers an hour, You've just got to go for it.

0:31:51.721 --> 0:31:54.561
<v Speaker 2>Did you watch the one where that guy Roman Grosjeon

0:31:55.121 --> 0:31:57.801
<v Speaker 2>crashed and he was in an inferno for two minutes

0:31:57.841 --> 0:32:02.161
<v Speaker 2>and forty two seconds and it's climbed out and more

0:32:02.241 --> 0:32:04.881
<v Speaker 2>or less well and his and his family. I've just

0:32:05.041 --> 0:32:08.241
<v Speaker 2>watch that episode, and oh my goodness, it'd be a

0:32:08.321 --> 0:32:11.561
<v Speaker 2>horrible sport to watch as a fam memoy. Just one crash,

0:32:11.601 --> 0:32:14.121
<v Speaker 2>you'd just go I've got no control. But all the

0:32:14.361 --> 0:32:18.921
<v Speaker 2>all the heads, the heads of each team, they're all interesting, erudite.

0:32:18.961 --> 0:32:20.801
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they all speak about three or four languages.

0:32:20.841 --> 0:32:22.201
<v Speaker 2>It makes me feel like a bit of a thicky,

0:32:23.561 --> 0:32:26.121
<v Speaker 2>you know that one minute I see, you know, Toto

0:32:26.201 --> 0:32:28.481
<v Speaker 2>Wolf speaking in German, then he's in English, and of

0:32:28.481 --> 0:32:31.121
<v Speaker 2>course he is a German. Then he's in French and

0:32:31.161 --> 0:32:32.441
<v Speaker 2>I sort of think, oh, you know.

0:32:32.481 --> 0:32:34.281
<v Speaker 4>But it's it does maybe laugh though when they talk

0:32:34.321 --> 0:32:36.401
<v Speaker 4>about sort of the business decision of Formula one, because

0:32:36.401 --> 0:32:38.841
<v Speaker 4>you know they're talking about Perry's and this sort of

0:32:38.841 --> 0:32:42.321
<v Speaker 4>the whole South America, South American market, Yeah, issues of

0:32:42.321 --> 0:32:45.041
<v Speaker 4>getting rid of it. And I'm like, probably Liam Noawson bringing

0:32:45.041 --> 0:32:46.761
<v Speaker 4>the New Zealand market with him isn't much of a.

0:32:47.121 --> 0:32:50.601
<v Speaker 2>Point, which is a compliment to and and the story

0:32:50.681 --> 0:32:52.961
<v Speaker 2>with his with his family and how they with the

0:32:53.001 --> 0:32:56.521
<v Speaker 2>sacrifices they made, and how he acknowledges that as well.

0:32:56.561 --> 0:32:58.801
<v Speaker 2>And I sort of think I really can't wait to

0:32:58.841 --> 0:33:01.201
<v Speaker 2>see him take the seat and see how he goes.

0:33:01.281 --> 0:33:04.041
<v Speaker 3>And Colin Giltrap he's tipped his head. He passed away

0:33:04.041 --> 0:33:07.001
<v Speaker 3>this year and he tipped his hat the column.

0:33:07.081 --> 0:33:09.281
<v Speaker 5>I love that to her. He hasn't forgotten how he

0:33:09.361 --> 0:33:09.761
<v Speaker 5>got there.

0:33:10.521 --> 0:33:13.801
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I look, I can't wait to see how

0:33:13.801 --> 0:33:16.921
<v Speaker 2>he races against everyone else. I reckon I've got high

0:33:16.961 --> 0:33:19.281
<v Speaker 2>hopes from I just am fascinated to see if he

0:33:19.321 --> 0:33:22.201
<v Speaker 2>gets in position where he's next to Max for step

0:33:22.201 --> 0:33:23.961
<v Speaker 2>and whether they say no, no, Liam, You've got to

0:33:24.001 --> 0:33:27.001
<v Speaker 2>let Max go first. That's going to have that's going

0:33:27.081 --> 0:33:30.401
<v Speaker 2>to happen at some stage. So anyway, we'll wait and see.

0:33:30.441 --> 0:33:32.601
<v Speaker 2>But good luck to Liam Lawson. It is worth mentioning

0:33:32.961 --> 0:33:35.841
<v Speaker 2>my producer is also a big fan of Is she

0:33:35.881 --> 0:33:37.241
<v Speaker 2>a fan of if one or is she fan of

0:33:37.441 --> 0:33:40.521
<v Speaker 2>Liam Lawson? But anyway, I think he's got a lot

0:33:40.561 --> 0:33:42.561
<v Speaker 2>of admirers around the country. Because I said to Tyre,

0:33:42.601 --> 0:33:44.521
<v Speaker 2>I said, look, would you leave you? Would you leave

0:33:44.521 --> 0:33:48.121
<v Speaker 2>your partner for for Liam? And she said he's too young,

0:33:48.321 --> 0:33:54.481
<v Speaker 2>and I said that sounds like that's the only obstacle. Anyway,

0:33:54.961 --> 0:33:57.321
<v Speaker 2>we say that lightheartedly, and I'm just kind of winding

0:33:57.361 --> 0:33:59.401
<v Speaker 2>her up a little bit because she's she's done such

0:33:59.401 --> 0:34:01.161
<v Speaker 2>a great job on the show, so as a reward,

0:34:01.201 --> 0:34:02.801
<v Speaker 2>I wind her up. Isn't that lovely of me?

0:34:02.961 --> 0:34:03.601
<v Speaker 4>Lucky here.

0:34:06.841 --> 0:34:07.161
<v Speaker 5>Now?

0:34:07.841 --> 0:34:13.081
<v Speaker 2>Microchipping cats it does sound like, you know, the expression

0:34:13.121 --> 0:34:18.201
<v Speaker 2>it's like herding cats. Microchipping cats sounds sort of in

0:34:18.241 --> 0:34:21.441
<v Speaker 2>the same ballpark. And it's all I don't know what

0:34:21.481 --> 0:34:23.281
<v Speaker 2>it's to do to make sure that, what is it

0:34:23.281 --> 0:34:25.081
<v Speaker 2>to do? Make sure we don't put down sort of

0:34:25.161 --> 0:34:28.001
<v Speaker 2>wild and domestic cats and all that, But shouldn't we

0:34:28.001 --> 0:34:30.201
<v Speaker 2>be also just usuring them as well.

0:34:30.441 --> 0:34:31.161
<v Speaker 5>Carl.

0:34:31.561 --> 0:34:34.281
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, look, I'm a cat. In fact, we've got two

0:34:34.281 --> 0:34:39.121
<v Speaker 4>cats and they're both microchip are they They came microchip

0:34:39.161 --> 0:34:41.041
<v Speaker 4>actually because we was sort of part of the deal

0:34:41.081 --> 0:34:43.521
<v Speaker 4>when we adopted them. But it just makes good sense

0:34:43.561 --> 0:34:45.401
<v Speaker 4>because you know, I've I've had cats my whole life,

0:34:45.401 --> 0:34:47.721
<v Speaker 4>and the thing you put the collars on them in

0:34:47.761 --> 0:34:49.961
<v Speaker 4>the tree or even get hooked up on things. So

0:34:50.601 --> 0:34:52.401
<v Speaker 4>I mean it's a pretty good idea. It means that

0:34:52.441 --> 0:34:54.561
<v Speaker 4>we can track domestic cats and it's actually a lot

0:34:54.561 --> 0:34:56.321
<v Speaker 4>of the feral cats that cause a lot of the

0:34:56.321 --> 0:34:59.321
<v Speaker 4>wildlife problems. So it means that we can figure out

0:34:59.561 --> 0:35:04.841
<v Speaker 4>you make sure we're not sort of taking the wrong You're.

0:35:03.401 --> 0:35:05.721
<v Speaker 2>Not one of those owners. Is like, my cat never

0:35:05.841 --> 0:35:07.601
<v Speaker 2>has a crack of a bird. It just sits there

0:35:07.641 --> 0:35:10.081
<v Speaker 2>cuddled up in his basket, sort of purring away.

0:35:10.161 --> 0:35:12.521
<v Speaker 4>No, the trick is to keep him, keep him well fed.

0:35:12.881 --> 0:35:16.801
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, but I did hear that microchipping costs close

0:35:16.881 --> 0:35:19.121
<v Speaker 2>to fifty bucks, whereas desexing, I don't know, how can

0:35:19.161 --> 0:35:22.881
<v Speaker 2>you desect something for fifteen bucks. I mean, a latte

0:35:23.001 --> 0:35:26.281
<v Speaker 2>costs your sex a two and a half lartes. Well,

0:35:26.321 --> 0:35:27.201
<v Speaker 2>desex you cat.

0:35:28.601 --> 0:35:30.881
<v Speaker 3>I'm into marketsipping cats and it's not you know, there's

0:35:30.921 --> 0:35:32.321
<v Speaker 3>not a lot of things that I do agree with

0:35:32.321 --> 0:35:36.321
<v Speaker 3>with the Green Party, but I don't. I do want

0:35:36.361 --> 0:35:38.921
<v Speaker 3>the cat's market trip. The feral cats I hunt, I

0:35:39.001 --> 0:35:41.241
<v Speaker 3>get fifty bucks a cat.

0:35:40.441 --> 0:35:42.041
<v Speaker 5>Oh do you shoot cats?

0:35:42.201 --> 0:35:44.881
<v Speaker 3>I don't shoot them on if they the farmer will

0:35:44.881 --> 0:35:47.921
<v Speaker 3>give me fifty bucks. I really wore a bottle of vodka.

0:35:48.081 --> 0:35:50.401
<v Speaker 2>Really, they're just going bye bye a pussy cat.

0:35:50.521 --> 0:35:52.961
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, they get into our wildlife and I don't want

0:35:52.961 --> 0:35:56.601
<v Speaker 5>to native bird being killed by woman a feral cat.

0:35:56.761 --> 0:36:01.041
<v Speaker 2>It is such an emotive topic. But it is the sound,

0:36:01.121 --> 0:36:02.921
<v Speaker 2>the change of the sounds in the forest, you know,

0:36:02.921 --> 0:36:05.241
<v Speaker 2>as a result of just birds not being weird. They

0:36:05.241 --> 0:36:07.241
<v Speaker 2>should have been even and domestic, you know, in our

0:36:07.281 --> 0:36:08.921
<v Speaker 2>own tree lined suburbs.

0:36:09.001 --> 0:36:09.321
<v Speaker 5>It is.

0:36:09.641 --> 0:36:12.441
<v Speaker 4>I think it's a wonderfully New Zealand issue too, and

0:36:12.481 --> 0:36:14.961
<v Speaker 4>certainely Gareth Morgan proved single handedly that you have to

0:36:14.961 --> 0:36:19.801
<v Speaker 4>be very careful about policies around in this country, very careful.

0:36:19.841 --> 0:36:22.081
<v Speaker 2>Are you okay with the shooting of wildcats.

0:36:22.121 --> 0:36:24.521
<v Speaker 4>If they're fair? Oh yeah, sure, I mean they are

0:36:24.561 --> 0:36:25.601
<v Speaker 4>actually technically a pest.

0:36:25.641 --> 0:36:26.201
<v Speaker 5>It's part of it.

0:36:26.201 --> 0:36:28.121
<v Speaker 4>It's kind of a bit conflicting really being a cat

0:36:28.161 --> 0:36:29.921
<v Speaker 4>on sort of. They do catch the old bird in

0:36:29.961 --> 0:36:31.401
<v Speaker 4>the odd bit of wildlife. That's why I say, you

0:36:31.401 --> 0:36:32.481
<v Speaker 4>just got to keep them well fed.

0:36:32.721 --> 0:36:35.281
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so, I mean, actually, why do you think it

0:36:35.321 --> 0:36:37.161
<v Speaker 2>is that dog owners have always had to have them

0:36:37.241 --> 0:36:41.161
<v Speaker 2>chipped and pay for their registration and the INCENTI.

0:36:41.801 --> 0:36:44.161
<v Speaker 4>Dangerous, right two people?

0:36:44.841 --> 0:36:47.081
<v Speaker 3>Oh no, I think dog owners we I mean I've

0:36:47.121 --> 0:36:48.761
<v Speaker 3>got a dog and I chip it just for its

0:36:48.801 --> 0:36:51.561
<v Speaker 3>own safety, as if it gets out of the gate.

0:36:52.441 --> 0:36:53.921
<v Speaker 5>You know, I want to know where my dog is.

0:36:54.081 --> 0:36:57.241
<v Speaker 3>That's the main thing I want to chip my dog for.

0:36:57.521 --> 0:37:00.681
<v Speaker 3>Like recently, I pulled up in Sat Mary's Bay. There's

0:37:00.681 --> 0:37:03.721
<v Speaker 3>a group of people around the cat and the cat died.

0:37:04.081 --> 0:37:05.761
<v Speaker 3>So I picked it up, put on at the back

0:37:05.801 --> 0:37:08.121
<v Speaker 3>of the took it the vet Mike. Could they scanned

0:37:08.121 --> 0:37:10.561
<v Speaker 3>it a chip, had a chip. The owner was so

0:37:10.761 --> 0:37:12.161
<v Speaker 3>pleased and the cat came back.

0:37:12.521 --> 0:37:14.801
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, that isn't a hard That's probably not

0:37:14.881 --> 0:37:17.481
<v Speaker 2>going to be an advertising campaign that's gonna work. In

0:37:17.521 --> 0:37:19.761
<v Speaker 2>case your pet Moggie gets run over by a bus,

0:37:20.041 --> 0:37:22.321
<v Speaker 2>then let's at least know who the carcass belongs to.

0:37:22.441 --> 0:37:24.241
<v Speaker 4>Microchips are great What I really want to do is

0:37:24.241 --> 0:37:25.761
<v Speaker 4>fit a camera to my cat. I want to know

0:37:25.761 --> 0:37:26.401
<v Speaker 4>what they get up to.

0:37:27.561 --> 0:37:30.161
<v Speaker 3>They traveled so far. I know they travel a lot.

0:37:30.201 --> 0:37:32.601
<v Speaker 3>It's not the neighborhood at night. They travel like up

0:37:32.641 --> 0:37:33.521
<v Speaker 3>to four and a half k's.

0:37:33.601 --> 0:37:35.561
<v Speaker 2>You know the funny thing about cats? For me, I'm

0:37:35.561 --> 0:37:37.881
<v Speaker 2>not really a cat person, but where our neighbors have

0:37:37.921 --> 0:37:40.601
<v Speaker 2>got a cat and it's not very sociable, but I

0:37:40.961 --> 0:37:42.641
<v Speaker 2>kind of like it because it's a cute cat. It's

0:37:42.881 --> 0:37:45.121
<v Speaker 2>little white socks. But isn't it funny that you can

0:37:45.121 --> 0:37:48.881
<v Speaker 2>look at pretty much exactly the same species and it's

0:37:48.961 --> 0:37:50.521
<v Speaker 2>wild and it's like, shoot that thing.

0:37:50.761 --> 0:37:52.041
<v Speaker 4>Well, they're an apex predator.

0:37:52.481 --> 0:37:55.601
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I actually didn't funny enough. Just before we

0:37:55.641 --> 0:37:57.681
<v Speaker 2>go to the break, I was watching a wild It's

0:37:57.721 --> 0:38:00.361
<v Speaker 2>some wildlife thing where there's a lion in some sort

0:38:00.361 --> 0:38:02.921
<v Speaker 2>of park and the lion actually thinks it's obviously been

0:38:02.961 --> 0:38:07.681
<v Speaker 2>domesticated so much. Walk running along to this bus load

0:38:07.681 --> 0:38:10.201
<v Speaker 2>of tourists. It's an open bus, and it jumps on

0:38:10.241 --> 0:38:12.401
<v Speaker 2>top of them all and it starts rubbing itself against

0:38:12.441 --> 0:38:14.441
<v Speaker 2>them like it's some sort of moggie. I was thinking,

0:38:14.481 --> 0:38:16.241
<v Speaker 2>I must say, if everyone went on that trip, and

0:38:16.241 --> 0:38:18.121
<v Speaker 2>I took my daughters with me. I think that we're

0:38:18.161 --> 0:38:18.601
<v Speaker 2>not going.

0:38:18.481 --> 0:38:20.401
<v Speaker 4>Too careful not to soil the bus at that moment.

0:38:20.441 --> 0:38:23.761
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, exactly, Yeah, it does sound like it's sort

0:38:23.761 --> 0:38:26.281
<v Speaker 2>of a tour that's bounty end in tears at some stage. Anyway,

0:38:26.281 --> 0:38:28.361
<v Speaker 2>we're going to be back in just a moment to

0:38:28.561 --> 0:38:30.841
<v Speaker 2>wrap things up and also talk about Auctan's new pool.

0:38:31.081 --> 0:38:33.361
<v Speaker 2>Wayne Brown is loving it. News Talk s head b.

0:38:33.721 --> 0:38:35.921
<v Speaker 2>It's nine minutes to four. Yes, News Talk said be

0:38:36.121 --> 0:38:39.281
<v Speaker 2>the weekend collective panel. Our last topic with my guests

0:38:39.641 --> 0:38:43.401
<v Speaker 2>Luke Dallo and Kyle MacDonald the pool. So Wayne Brown

0:38:43.641 --> 0:38:47.281
<v Speaker 2>is he's loving the new pool that they've the saltwater pool.

0:38:47.281 --> 0:38:48.841
<v Speaker 2>I think, isn't it? And I saw a.

0:38:48.761 --> 0:38:49.241
<v Speaker 5>Photo of him.

0:38:49.281 --> 0:38:51.681
<v Speaker 2>He's in pretty good shape, Wayne, Wayne. Actually, for a

0:38:51.721 --> 0:38:55.401
<v Speaker 2>slightly older gent, I almost would be tempted to go

0:38:55.481 --> 0:38:57.641
<v Speaker 2>and have a swim in that pool. Although Kyle, you're

0:38:57.641 --> 0:38:59.841
<v Speaker 2>a bit flash because you've just been bragging to us

0:38:59.841 --> 0:39:01.521
<v Speaker 2>about the pool you've got in your backyard. So we'll

0:39:01.521 --> 0:39:02.961
<v Speaker 2>go to We've got to Luke first.

0:39:03.761 --> 0:39:05.681
<v Speaker 3>I think the pool is a fantastic idea. We shared

0:39:05.681 --> 0:39:08.001
<v Speaker 3>more of them around there, more accessible pools. It's got

0:39:08.001 --> 0:39:10.761
<v Speaker 3>a lifeguard. They're fantastic. But I'm just worried about the

0:39:10.761 --> 0:39:12.641
<v Speaker 3>little bit of about the pollution, which I don't really

0:39:12.641 --> 0:39:15.681
<v Speaker 3>care personally but some one might. Is it filters coming

0:39:15.721 --> 0:39:18.721
<v Speaker 3>through that sea wall and a big thing for me.

0:39:18.801 --> 0:39:21.401
<v Speaker 3>You got to get that when you're crossing sort and

0:39:21.441 --> 0:39:22.721
<v Speaker 3>so more people can jump in the pool.

0:39:22.841 --> 0:39:24.841
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Carl, Yeah, I agree.

0:39:24.881 --> 0:39:26.361
<v Speaker 4>One of the things I was really struck by when

0:39:26.361 --> 0:39:28.801
<v Speaker 4>we were in Sydney and then stead of up and

0:39:28.801 --> 0:39:31.361
<v Speaker 4>down the south New South Wales coast and the school

0:39:31.361 --> 0:39:34.201
<v Speaker 4>holidays this year is like literally every beach it seems

0:39:34.201 --> 0:39:36.761
<v Speaker 4>like it's got a saltwater pool, which is great for

0:39:36.801 --> 0:39:39.361
<v Speaker 4>the little ones. And you know, we've unfortunately one of

0:39:39.401 --> 0:39:41.001
<v Speaker 4>the things that happens every summer as we end up

0:39:41.001 --> 0:39:44.161
<v Speaker 4>with lots of headlines about drownings. By far and away,

0:39:44.161 --> 0:39:46.081
<v Speaker 4>the best way is to get your kids and it's

0:39:46.081 --> 0:39:48.241
<v Speaker 4>safely supervised in water from a young age. And if

0:39:48.241 --> 0:39:50.041
<v Speaker 4>this helps with that, you know, for people in the

0:39:50.601 --> 0:39:52.921
<v Speaker 4>city or go for a quick dip week going.

0:39:52.961 --> 0:39:56.041
<v Speaker 2>And here's here's the amazing thing that I think it's

0:39:56.041 --> 0:39:58.401
<v Speaker 2>worth giving a shout out to. Even though Eki Panouku,

0:39:58.441 --> 0:40:01.121
<v Speaker 2>which is the council organization. It's recently been dis established.

0:40:01.161 --> 0:40:05.241
<v Speaker 2>They're shifting its functions to another body or something. This

0:40:05.401 --> 0:40:08.561
<v Speaker 2>was Wellington, that pool would have cost about twenty million bucks.

0:40:08.961 --> 0:40:12.841
<v Speaker 2>Auckland built that pool five hundred thousand dollars.

0:40:12.921 --> 0:40:15.521
<v Speaker 5>Brilliant, isn't that? Actually?

0:40:15.561 --> 0:40:17.561
<v Speaker 2>When I saw that finger, I thought, has somebody made

0:40:17.641 --> 0:40:20.681
<v Speaker 2>because we're so used to these big numbers being banded about.

0:40:20.721 --> 0:40:23.801
<v Speaker 2>So hats off to Ikipinuku and the Auckland Council and

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<v Speaker 2>Wayne Brown for a great public facility that we can

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<v Speaker 2>all use.

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<v Speaker 4>To be fair, if it was in Mornington you put

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<v Speaker 4>a fairrier drive into an accident.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh and be bloody fair fairy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh if we had another, if we had some more time,

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<v Speaker 2>if I could turn back time anyway, Hey guys, are

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<v Speaker 2>you hitting away having You're having a bit of break,

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<v Speaker 2>aren't you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we done at the lovely Wyhee Beach for Christmas

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<v Speaker 4>Day and a couple of days either side, so really

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<v Speaker 4>looking forward to.

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<v Speaker 5>That and Luke, I'll be up at Russell catching turner.

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<v Speaker 5>So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that your favorite fish?

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<v Speaker 5>By the way, it's my favorite fishy. I love tuna

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<v Speaker 5>on hardbooker.

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<v Speaker 2>Great to have you guys, and thanks so much and

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for your contributions to the Christmas and we'll look

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<v Speaker 2>forward to catch up with you next year. Merry Christmas

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<v Speaker 2>and bar humbug just covering my basis. We'll be back shortly.

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<v Speaker 2>The wonderof radio show d McKnight is with us talking

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<v Speaker 2>about what's up next year. Given the hypho back soon.

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<v Speaker 5>To see you and me under the tree a cozy

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<v Speaker 5>little Christmas.

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