1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:00,800 Speaker 1: Barry soapers here. 2 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:01,960 Speaker 2: Hey Barry, good afternoon. 3 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:04,480 Speaker 1: Right, Hey, the monument Nui, the sinking. We've had the 4 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: report from the Court of Inquiry and it's basically it's 5 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,639 Speaker 1: human error, it's an experience. It's all the worst. It's things. 6 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Do we have a psyche problem with New Zealand when 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 2: it comes to auto pilots. I mean, remember the interal 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: Into ferry that ran aground last year because apparently it 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 2: was on autopilot. This one, though, must have been terrible 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: to be on board when you think about it, because 11 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: it scraped across the bottom of the reef on several occasions. 12 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 2: They couldn't see the internal damage at the time, and 13 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: there was so much damage to the whole that it sank, 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: not surprisingly, but the inquiry says that the crew and 15 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: the commanding officer of the Munaway were undertrained and the 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,520 Speaker 2: boat was not up to the task it was doing. Now, 17 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: the task was doing was a survey type task and 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 2: it was called on by Chogham. You remember it was 19 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 2: happening at the time to do that. And I found 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 2: it interesting that the chief of the Navy, Navy a 21 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: rare Admiral Garren Golding, he said there were a range 22 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 2: of issues, including the lack of commonality he used across 23 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 2: the fleet. Now, it means that if people need to 24 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: constantly adapt to new procedures each time they change ships. 25 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: And there are a number of ships I think about 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 2: eight in the New Zealand Navy. So if you're on 27 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: one ship and suddenly you transferred to another ship, you 28 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: basically don't know what you're doing, which is a bit 29 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 2: doesn't stand It certainly doesn't stand up to a lot 30 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: of scrutinies. It hasn't done with his inquiry, but standing 31 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: alongside his political boss due to Collins, the rare admiral 32 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 2: made something of an understatement saying it wasn't a good 33 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: day for the Navy. 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 3: I think you need to understand that when we're conducting 35 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: our operations, we're conducting them globally, we conduct them in 36 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 3: very difficult and challenging environments and the responsibilities put on 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: our people. If they make mistakes, they have consequences and 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 3: significant consequences. So it's the complexity of what we asked 39 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 3: to do and the environment is not normal. But yes, 40 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,920 Speaker 3: as part of it, outside it's a bad day for 41 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: the Navy. We've our reputation has taken a hit, and 42 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: we just as part of that owning it, and we 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: need to learn from it and get up thro it. 44 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:22,079 Speaker 4: I think the Navy, the Air Force, the Army, the 45 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: Defense Force know that I'm watching them all the time 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 4: in a really positive way. Is their auntie and their minister. 47 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 4: So look, I've got great confidence in them. I have 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 4: no problem dealing with difficult situations. It's how you then 49 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: learn from that, fix it, own it, just get on 50 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 4: and sort of. We need a big uplift in our 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: defense force funding and I can tell you that help 52 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 4: us on its way. 53 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, well that'll come in the budget. It'll be over 54 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: a number of years. And the timing is, I think 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 2: you said earlier, Ryan, is a bit of a problem 56 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 2: for them. Not million dollars, how many? 57 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: I'm thinking how much more do you want to think? 58 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: To the bottom of the ocean. That's the question. 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:03,959 Speaker 2: It's a problem. 60 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: The thought barer of Judith Colin standing over your shoulder 61 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: with one raised ironbrow looking at you would Judith, that's 62 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: enough to make you want to crash a ship our 63 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 1: front now exactly all right? 64 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 2: The pole, Yeah, I mean you've given the figures out 65 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: and look it's it's been a bounce back, you'd have 66 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: to say at the center right over the last two poles. 67 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: You had the Red Research Pole on Radio New Zealand 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 2: spending part of their twenty five million dollar parting gift 69 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,320 Speaker 2: from the Labor Party that their budget was boosted by 70 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: so they now can afford to do Poles had to 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 2: get that in run. But like Auntie Judith, but then 72 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 2: you know it's the curier taxpayer's union pole today. It 73 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: really confirmed what the read Research Pole told us. But 74 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: I find it amazing, as you said, would have been 75 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: at the really tail end or the beginning of sorry, 76 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 2: the Benjamin Doyle stuff, and I think people would have 77 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: found that pretty abhorrent, bad enough the TAMITHA Paul stuff. 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 2: And I find it absolutely incredible that the Greens actually 79 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 2: rose a percentage point to eleven acts up two point 80 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: three percent, but still you know they're not that high 81 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 2: and ten percent Old Winston's obviously been doing well, and 82 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 2: as you said, in the preferred prime minister stakes two 83 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 2: point three percent, New Zealand First is up by seven 84 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: and a half. Rightly to Party Maldi they are down 85 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 2: by two point two percent to four point three. They 86 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: deserve to be lower than that given their performance in 87 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 2: the House this week. 88 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: Now the Treaty Principal's Bill, the Select Committee had their say, 89 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,880 Speaker 1: how long do you reckon? We've got James Mega on 90 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: after five, but how long do you reckon before they 91 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 1: actually just get the rid of this thing from Parliament? 92 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Oh? Next week, Yeah, it'll be I would imagine done 93 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: next week. Interesting to see what the Maori Party does 94 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 2: when the final vote is. Let's hope they wait until 95 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: it's counted this time. But look, the interesting point that 96 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 2: David Seymour. Are you interviewing him? I think, aren't you? 97 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: No, we're doing James, Meghan. 98 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 2: James and Mega. Okay. The interesting point that James that 99 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: David Seymour made, and it's one that I've been making, 100 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 2: is you look at the long term and you look 101 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: at the the end of life Choice Bill that he 102 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 2: promoted a large number of opponents came out to that 103 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: piece of legislation and when it went to referendum it 104 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 2: passed by sixty five percent before and most of them 105 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 2: were opposed to I think it was about ninety percent 106 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: were opposed to that law. And that's that's what he 107 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 2: hopes clearly will happen with the peace in the long game. 108 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: You lost the battle, but maybe winning the war yep, 109 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: and the long run. Barry, thank you for that. 110 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 2: Nice to talk to you, right for you as always, well, 111 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: Michael Berry. 112 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: I don't think I'll ever call you uncle Berry. 113 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 2: Thank you. 114 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: Okay, that's weird. For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive, 115 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: listen live to News Talks it B from four pm weekdays, 116 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.