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Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, a name

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Speaker 1: you can trust locally and globally.

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Speaker 2: In the huddle of us this evening, David Farrer of

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Speaker 2: Kiwi Blog and Curia Polling and Phil GoF former Labor

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Speaker 2: Party minister and Auklamire.

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Speaker 3: Hello you two.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Okay David, you're the local Wellingtonian.

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Speaker 3: Do you like this from Wellington City Council?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Absolutely, I mean Ben's got absolutely right on the

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Speaker 4: heritage laws. I mean I think there was a rotting

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Speaker 4: oil tanker head heritage protection and it's been so crazy

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Speaker 4: what it's done to the sea there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what he was talking about. I mean, that's

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Speaker 3: the structure he wants to delist immediately. Phil.

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Speaker 2: I mean the thing about it is this should be

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Speaker 2: rolled out across the whole country, shouldn't it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Look, we need more houses. This is a back

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Speaker 5: down obviously by the government because those people in the

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Speaker 5: leafy suburbs that suddenly sound that they might have to

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Speaker 5: face intensification, said are you going to do this to us?

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Speaker 5: This is our home. We're going to think about our

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Speaker 5: vote for you. And that was clear to the Prime

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Speaker 5: Minister in the meeting in his electorate last December. I'd

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Speaker 5: still keep heritage protection for those areas that have special character,

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Speaker 5: and I think Auckland Council does that. There are parts

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Speaker 5: of the city that reflect the development, particularly the old

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Speaker 5: villas around the late nineteenth century early twentieth century, and

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Speaker 5: I think it's worth preserving your history where you can.

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Speaker 5: But I am in favor of intensification in the CBD

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Speaker 5: absolutely where you've got transport hubs and along major transport routes.

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Speaker 5: That's what light rail was about. Of course, twenty five

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Speaker 5: percent of Auckland's future housing development would have been on

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Speaker 5: the Auckland dismiss if light rail had gone ahead. But

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Speaker 5: now that you don't have that and you've got bus congestion,

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Speaker 5: you're probably not going to get that same level of

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Speaker 5: development that you really need.

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Speaker 3: Explain something to me, David. We've ended up in a

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Speaker 3: situation in Auckland.

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Speaker 2: If the council carries on the way that we think

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Speaker 2: that they are, it will be it seems to me

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Speaker 2: the perfect way to do it. You just have the

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Speaker 2: intensification long the transport corridors. Why didn't this do this first?

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Speaker 2: Because I do not buy from him that argument. That

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Speaker 2: it was an all Flan council request.

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Speaker 4: Because I'm not sure that run the transport corridors will

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Speaker 4: be enough to be blunt. The problem we've had is

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Speaker 4: there's been some good stuff in housing, but almost a

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Speaker 4: bit tinkling. We'll do a both brown Fields here, we

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Speaker 4: do a Bob Greenfields here. So I like the government's

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Speaker 4: ambition and I think it is a bit said. They've

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Speaker 4: had to back down. But you know that's the real

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Speaker 4: lack of it that the jokers that you're the MP

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Speaker 4: for ips and and the leader for APT had a

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Speaker 4: ferocious battle over this and the MP for ipsen one.

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Speaker 4: It was just too unpopular with those MPs in the

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Speaker 4: eastern suburbs. But you know it may not be enough.

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Speaker 4: That's the danger is keeping it just to transport hubs won't.

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Speaker 2: But David, we're having this argument at a time when

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Speaker 2: we have basically no migration to speak of. People that

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Speaker 2: rents are dropping because there is an there's an abundance

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Speaker 2: of So do we really need like that extra four

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand the difference between one point six and two

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Speaker 2: is that really that crucial?

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Speaker 4: Well, I know we have to care for about long term.

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Speaker 4: We're going to have migration next thirty years or so, etc.

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Speaker 4: So I think we definitely do need to be prepared

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Speaker 4: for that because the problem is if you haven't got

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Speaker 4: it in the pipeline, once you've got the migration coming in,

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Speaker 4: you get real pressure. And there is a part of

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Speaker 4: Winston's backlashes when people think infrastructures are problem due to immigration.

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Speaker 4: So you do want to be ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you reckon, Phil?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Look, I was visiting my old electric in Mount Roscholl

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Speaker 5: over the weekend and there are just literally scores of

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Speaker 5: empty sections that have been empty for two to three

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Speaker 5: years because they've stopped building social housing. And on one

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Speaker 5: site I went to the we used to have eighty

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Speaker 5: senior citizen units on the site. They were a medium density,

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Speaker 5: great place to visit, they had their own social room,

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Speaker 5: they had a men's workshop. They've knocked them down and

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Speaker 5: now they're going to turn into a truck sales park.

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Speaker 5: And I thought, Wow, what about all these people, you know,

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Speaker 5: baby boomers like me, but who didn't have the income

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Speaker 5: that I had, that rented all their life. Now they're

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Speaker 5: getting even an average wage. What's going to happen to

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Speaker 5: social housing for them? But the sites are there. Why

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Speaker 5: knock over a beautiful old villa when you've got empty

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Speaker 5: sections that you haven't developed for two or three years

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Speaker 5: and you'll probably sell at the bottom of the market.

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Speaker 5: That seems crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: That's the frustration of how slow government moves.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we'll take a break, come back shortlyas back with

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Speaker 2: the huddle, Phil GoF and David Farrer. Phil, on a

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Speaker 2: scale of one to ten, how exercised are you about

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Speaker 2: the racist thing that Winston apparently said?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Look, I worked with Winston for thirty years. He

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Speaker 5: knows what he said was wrong, that it was a lie.

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Speaker 5: He was racking up the Green member. He does it

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Speaker 5: all the time. The other day when I challenged him

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Speaker 5: because he wasn't showing the guts, I thought he should

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Speaker 5: have to criticize Trump. When Trump said that our soldiers

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Speaker 5: didn't have the courage to be on the front line.

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Speaker 5: He said, oh god, he's a communist and he's a

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Speaker 5: member of the p YM. Well, you know, in the

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Speaker 5: nineteen fifty's, calling somebody a communist hurt and the PYM.

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Speaker 5: Nobody knows what the PYM is. Both of those things

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Speaker 5: are lies. He knows they lies, but he still says

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Speaker 5: it because he can't help himself. So do I care

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Speaker 5: about what he says? Nah, not much other than that

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Speaker 5: he will wind up the prejudice in people that do

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Speaker 5: believe what he says, and on my social media. So

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Speaker 5: I suddenly got all these accusations that I was a communist,

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Speaker 5: you know, but no guy to fall.

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Speaker 2: The reason I asked this question, David, is because I'm

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Speaker 2: surprised at how exercised There are some people of the

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Speaker 2: media still get about stuff that Winston says when there

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Speaker 2: is legit racist stuff out there to be reporting on it.

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Speaker 3: This is not one of them. Like, it's not a

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Speaker 3: big deal.

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Speaker 4: I can decide what less newsworthy a that Winston said

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Speaker 4: something greatest, not the first part or be MPs. We're

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Speaker 4: rude to each other and right, I mean, it's a story,

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Speaker 4: but it's not headline news. Winson's trolling he as he

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Speaker 4: does this to get reaction.

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Speaker 3: Okay, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I've since checked it with a pair of you from

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Speaker 2: both sides, and I'm feeling like I'm in the right place.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I think Phil that the reason that.

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Speaker 2: We haven't got the four year to the four year

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Speaker 2: electoral term referendum is because act completely overcomplicated the thing.

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Speaker 5: What do you think, Oh, look, I'd go for the

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Speaker 5: four year term. You know, I've witnessed enough time in

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Speaker 5: Parliament to know that governments have the fault always of

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Speaker 5: thinking for the short term. They're always thinking about the

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Speaker 5: next election, which is only a couple of years away.

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Speaker 5: I think four years would give us more sensible governments,

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Speaker 5: but you'd have to have some balance in that because

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Speaker 5: the three year term provides a bit of accountability. So

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Speaker 5: I'd do something like, you know, put more opposition MPs

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Speaker 5: as chairs of select committee as a way of holding

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Speaker 5: the government accountable, but still go for the long term

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Speaker 5: planning this country desperately needs, which would be helped by

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Speaker 5: a four year term. Look, I don't you know. I

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Speaker 5: wouldn't give the government the choice of saying, oh we

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Speaker 5: can maybe we'll go for four or we go for three.

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Speaker 5: It shouldn't be up to the government to decide that

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Speaker 5: it should be a set term unless there are very

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Speaker 5: special circumstances. So I wouldn't make it variable as it

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Speaker 5: appeared to be under the Act proposal, but I would

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Speaker 5: go for the four year term.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll, I know you, David, You'll be gutted

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Speaker 3: that this is not happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I'm a huge fan of a four year term

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Speaker 4: having worked in Parliament, and you know that the campaign

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Speaker 4: and the next election starts almost straight away. You don't

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Speaker 4: get much time for just let's get home with good government.

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Speaker 4: But problem is what Act wanted was great, but they

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Speaker 4: made it so complicated. Phil said, oh, maybe it'd be

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Speaker 4: a three year term, sometimes sometimes a four year term.

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Speaker 4: No one was going to back that. They had to

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Speaker 4: come up with a simple proposal that the other parties

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Speaker 4: could agree to, and you know I would have campaign

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Speaker 4: really hard at referring them for it. Again to my

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Speaker 4: interest in the pulse, I should for the poor one

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Speaker 4: year and that would be great commercial there.

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Speaker 3: Point, shall you ever do any of this grocery tourism thing.

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Speaker 5: I was in Aussie last week and I wandered in

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Speaker 5: because we were staying with people, so I need to

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Speaker 5: get some groceries. And it's it's kind of interesting just

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Speaker 5: to see what prices are like in Australia compared to

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Speaker 5: go to a place like France, I love to wander

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Speaker 5: into a little deli and you know, buy some local produce,

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Speaker 5: you know, bread or cheese, which is quite different in

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Speaker 5: France than anywhere else. But it's not the purpose of traveling.

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Speaker 5: It's just something that you might do, and more people

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Speaker 5: are doing it because you know, when we stay we

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Speaker 5: don't want to eat out at restaurants every night. We

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Speaker 5: don't want to stay in hotels. We want to B

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Speaker 5: can stay in reasonably cheap. And from time to time

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Speaker 5: we like to cook our own meals. So yeah, I

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Speaker 5: do a bit of it. But it's not the purpose

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Speaker 5: of the travel.

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Speaker 3: Is apparently there are people who make this the purpose

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Speaker 3: of the travel day. Have you ever done that?

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Speaker 4: Not the purpose? But I did just have two weeks

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Speaker 4: in Balley with the boys and the family and Oreo's there.

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Speaker 4: A packet of them were three thousand Indonesian rovies. That's

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Speaker 4: duty sent. We brought back twenty packets of worry for

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Speaker 4: a packet of.

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Speaker 3: Did they stop you? Did they did they look?

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Speaker 2: Because you know that I would have looked at that

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Speaker 2: in the scanning thing and gone, that's probably cocaine.

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Speaker 4: Well, we did, we did disclose them. We were we

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Speaker 4: were carefully thing. But I think if the self sealed package,

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Speaker 4: plus they saw the kids that they probably thought, okay,

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Speaker 4: this looks genuine. Here kids love biscuits. It's really the

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Speaker 4: worth paying the thousand dollars to fly there just to

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Speaker 4: save two dollars per.

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Speaker 2: Packet a fair point, It doesn't it rip yund's when

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Speaker 2: you get that, you see how little people are paying

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Speaker 2: for the stuff.

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Speaker 3: You're paying so much.

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Speaker 2: More for guys, It's good to talk to you. That's

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Speaker 2: David Farrefield off a huddle this evening.

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