1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: We're revisiting the idea of concrete roding. We've got an 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: informetrics report that phone concrete is seventeen percent cheaper in 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: the long run over timic, bitter, suited to motorways, better 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:11,720 Speaker 1: for emissions, and less likely to rip up. Because concrete 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: New Zealand Boss are rob gamesters will us rob very 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Good morning. 7 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: To you, Yeah, morning Mike. 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: Last year, about twelve months ago, did an interview with 9 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: the Blake from the US who was arguing the same thing. 10 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: Are the US a good model if you want to 11 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: look at concrete and go there they are? Are they 12 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: a good model to look at? 13 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: I would say so because of one or two rows 14 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 2: in the US are concrete. And look, we've got a 15 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,640 Speaker 2: pothole crisis. We've got traffic cones everywhere, We're spending gazillions 16 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 2: on repairs, and yet we're building mascism in roads the 17 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: same way over largely the way we've always done exactly, 18 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 2: and why is that thing to our future maintenance? Yeah? 19 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: Exactly. 20 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: So we're calling for a paradigm shift. We need the 21 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 2: case of concreer roads. 22 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: And if it's sensible, why hasn't it been argued cohesively 23 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: coherently and successfully up until now. 24 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: We pride. I think we had a very good meeting 25 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:09,479 Speaker 2: with the Minister fairly recently ouring discussions with the MCTA, 26 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 2: although it's very early days there, but we do support 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 2: the government's position online transport, which talks about resilience, value 28 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,960 Speaker 2: for money and safety in concrete, not sort threw those 29 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: out of the park. 30 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: Is it the upper front that's the problem? 31 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 2: I think it probably is with historic higher discounts actors 32 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: in the past. And if you look at the Informatrics 33 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 2: report that does an example which shows that on a 34 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:41,320 Speaker 2: particular example the initial costs probably around twenty percent I 35 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: for concrete all over the whole of life. Concrete then 36 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: comes in at seventeen percent lower whole of life costs. 37 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: Right, And what about the environmental is that major or minor? 38 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: What's happened fairly recently, Mike, is that the UN's intergovernment 39 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: intergovernment Panel for Climate Change is recognized the conquer we've 40 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: absorbed CO two and that's quite significant. So you've got 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 2: big surface areas absorbing CO two as we speak. So 42 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 2: that puts the argument for concrete versus asphalt. We believe 43 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 2: in favor of concrete and we were on journeys to 44 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: use decarbonized so we launched our roadmap for net carbon 45 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 2: zero last year and if we deliver on that by 46 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: twenty thirty, will have reduced our emissions by forty four percent, 47 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: which is pretty significant. 48 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: Exactly the report out the other day. By the way, 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: on concrete generally, we're pouring more than we have been, 50 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: but not as much as we used to. How would 51 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: you describe the vibe in your industry at the moment. 52 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so probably eighteen months ago record volumes are going 53 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: out of the gate. So we'd have been supplying about 54 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,959 Speaker 2: four and a half million cubic meters in twenty twenty two. 55 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 2: Last year down probably twenty percent, so around sort of 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: three point eight million cuban meters. And by the way, 57 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 2: that's all quality assured concrete general were seen down, particularly 58 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: in the residential sector. 59 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 1: Text here for you, concrete roads are terribly noisy. You 60 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: say what I say, No, I. 61 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 2: Say, there's a perception that they were with joints. But 62 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: these days you can design concrete roads so that they 63 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: whisper whisper quiet with new technology, and that's what they're 64 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 2: doing in other jurisdictions, you know, like Australia, for example, 65 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: good stuff. 66 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: Nice to talk to your Rob, Rob Gamster, Who's the 67 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: Concrete New Zealand Boss. Take a look at how the 68 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: German auto band has built Mike lived in the States 69 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: for years. 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