1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:10,387 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Weekend Sport podcast with Jason Fine 2 00:00:10,707 --> 00:00:14,627 Speaker 1: from News Talks EDB, and there will. 3 00:00:14,427 --> 00:00:17,507 Speaker 2: Be full time for the first time. The All Blacks 4 00:00:17,747 --> 00:00:20,747 Speaker 2: lose the Rugby World Cup poor match and then lost 5 00:00:20,747 --> 00:00:24,547 Speaker 2: it to the tune of sixteen points France twenty nine, 6 00:00:25,507 --> 00:00:26,587 Speaker 2: All Blacks thirteen. 7 00:00:27,067 --> 00:00:29,187 Speaker 3: And they're giving no doubts. 8 00:00:28,907 --> 00:00:33,187 Speaker 2: Who the World Cup favorites are now are compelling stinging 9 00:00:33,267 --> 00:00:37,667 Speaker 2: half from the French beats the All Blacks beats them 10 00:00:37,667 --> 00:00:40,587 Speaker 2: into submission, the Frenchman by sixteen. 11 00:00:40,787 --> 00:00:42,587 Speaker 4: Yeah, that was the last time the All Blacks played 12 00:00:42,587 --> 00:00:46,227 Speaker 4: France the opening match of last year's Rugby World Cup. 13 00:00:46,267 --> 00:00:49,227 Speaker 4: They square off at the same venue tomorrow morning from 14 00:00:49,267 --> 00:00:51,867 Speaker 4: just after nine New Zealand time. Full commentary here on 15 00:00:51,907 --> 00:00:54,267 Speaker 4: news Talk ZEDB with the voice she just heard, Elliot 16 00:00:54,267 --> 00:00:58,067 Speaker 4: Smithgregor Paul alongside Test four or five on the All 17 00:00:58,067 --> 00:01:01,467 Speaker 4: Blacks Northern tour for this year. Let's bring in hugely 18 00:01:01,587 --> 00:01:06,507 Speaker 4: experienced France based rugby author and journalist Ian Borthwick have 19 00:01:06,547 --> 00:01:10,547 Speaker 4: an eight Rugby World Cups and over five hundred test matches, 20 00:01:10,587 --> 00:01:12,587 Speaker 4: so he know it's the free team pretty well. Ian. 21 00:01:12,587 --> 00:01:15,467 Speaker 4: Thanks for joining us. First of all, how different is 22 00:01:15,507 --> 00:01:18,707 Speaker 4: this French side to the one that was eliminated at 23 00:01:18,747 --> 00:01:21,347 Speaker 4: the quarter final stages at last year's Rugby World Cup. 24 00:01:22,387 --> 00:01:26,587 Speaker 3: Well, it's there a few different Fune changes in personnel, 25 00:01:26,667 --> 00:01:30,187 Speaker 3: but I think the heart of the team is the 26 00:01:30,227 --> 00:01:32,467 Speaker 3: same and the and I think the sort of the 27 00:01:32,467 --> 00:01:38,187 Speaker 3: feeling of business at being eliminated at the quarterfinal stage, 28 00:01:38,307 --> 00:01:41,827 Speaker 3: especially the way it went down for France, is still 29 00:01:41,947 --> 00:01:44,507 Speaker 3: very much at the heart of this team. So I 30 00:01:44,547 --> 00:01:48,707 Speaker 3: think it's I think the sort of contin continuity since 31 00:01:48,747 --> 00:01:52,067 Speaker 3: then is pretty strong. But you could also say the 32 00:01:52,107 --> 00:01:54,307 Speaker 3: continuity since the opening game of the World Cup is 33 00:01:54,627 --> 00:01:57,787 Speaker 3: also very strong. In that opening opening game of course, 34 00:01:57,827 --> 00:02:00,587 Speaker 3: when they when they beat the All Blacks by twenty 35 00:02:00,587 --> 00:02:03,747 Speaker 3: seven to thirteen to set there to set the French 36 00:02:03,947 --> 00:02:09,867 Speaker 3: World Cup program on fire. So yeah, I think that 37 00:02:09,947 --> 00:02:12,747 Speaker 3: in terms of the way they play, there have been 38 00:02:12,787 --> 00:02:16,747 Speaker 3: some slight changes, but the heart of the team and 39 00:02:16,747 --> 00:02:18,907 Speaker 3: the soul of the team is still the same as 40 00:02:18,947 --> 00:02:19,427 Speaker 3: that one. 41 00:02:19,707 --> 00:02:23,347 Speaker 4: Now first choice first five from Intermac is injured. Of course, 42 00:02:23,467 --> 00:02:26,787 Speaker 4: is it true that Matthew Jellibeer, who played at first 43 00:02:26,787 --> 00:02:28,587 Speaker 4: five but the World Cup last year, at the start 44 00:02:28,627 --> 00:02:33,067 Speaker 4: of the Six Nations this year, chose not to when 45 00:02:33,067 --> 00:02:34,707 Speaker 4: he was told he was going to be in the reserves, 46 00:02:34,827 --> 00:02:36,667 Speaker 4: he said, we'll just don't pick me. Is this true? 47 00:02:38,267 --> 00:02:42,027 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's pretty much, and that's really So it's 48 00:02:42,067 --> 00:02:44,547 Speaker 3: deflected a lot of attention away from the team this 49 00:02:44,587 --> 00:02:46,867 Speaker 3: week because it seems to have been the major talking 50 00:02:46,907 --> 00:02:50,307 Speaker 3: point in the French campan indeed the New Zealand camp 51 00:02:50,307 --> 00:02:54,307 Speaker 3: because it sounds such a strange thing to happen. But yeah, 52 00:02:54,387 --> 00:02:56,867 Speaker 3: I mean Julibert, he did play in that opening game 53 00:02:56,907 --> 00:03:01,547 Speaker 3: and played pretty well, and he's a fine talent week 54 00:03:01,587 --> 00:03:04,787 Speaker 3: in and week out for his club Bordeaux. But there 55 00:03:04,827 --> 00:03:08,307 Speaker 3: seems to be some problem with with Galtier. There seems 56 00:03:08,307 --> 00:03:12,347 Speaker 3: to have been some personal disagreement and he's been being 57 00:03:12,387 --> 00:03:15,907 Speaker 3: sort of relegated to what looks like fourth place in 58 00:03:15,987 --> 00:03:18,827 Speaker 3: the in the number ten stakes. So then he just 59 00:03:18,867 --> 00:03:22,227 Speaker 3: sort of he threw what's the expression in English, he 60 00:03:22,267 --> 00:03:26,387 Speaker 3: threw the toys out of the pram or whatever it is, 61 00:03:28,227 --> 00:03:31,427 Speaker 3: and says, well, if I'm not if I'm not even 62 00:03:31,467 --> 00:03:33,387 Speaker 3: on the reserve bench, that I'm out of here. So 63 00:03:33,427 --> 00:03:37,027 Speaker 3: he's gone back to Bordeaux and the French will carry 64 00:03:37,027 --> 00:03:40,667 Speaker 3: on without him, and Galziez said, well he can He's 65 00:03:40,667 --> 00:03:43,587 Speaker 3: still welcome to play in the in the French team, 66 00:03:43,627 --> 00:03:47,387 Speaker 3: but we need we need strong players and we didn't 67 00:03:47,427 --> 00:03:51,747 Speaker 3: need determined players. So he seemed to be suggesting that 68 00:03:51,747 --> 00:03:56,387 Speaker 3: that Jellibert was lacking both those qualities and there will 69 00:03:56,387 --> 00:03:57,907 Speaker 3: carry on without them without him. 70 00:03:58,067 --> 00:04:00,947 Speaker 4: All right, Well, one man who was there and plays 71 00:04:00,947 --> 00:04:02,827 Speaker 4: a massive role of course on this French side. At 72 00:04:02,827 --> 00:04:05,587 Speaker 4: Antoine DuPont, he kept in the side from half back. 73 00:04:05,627 --> 00:04:09,187 Speaker 4: How big and influence is he on this French side. 74 00:04:10,987 --> 00:04:13,907 Speaker 3: Well, he's he's a huge influence and I think, well, 75 00:04:13,907 --> 00:04:15,587 Speaker 3: he's a huge He would be a huge influence in 76 00:04:15,627 --> 00:04:18,427 Speaker 3: any team. You can see that in in Toulouse when 77 00:04:18,427 --> 00:04:20,107 Speaker 3: he's playing with his club. You saw it in the 78 00:04:20,507 --> 00:04:23,747 Speaker 3: in the sevens, during during the Olympic Games when France, 79 00:04:23,987 --> 00:04:25,907 Speaker 3: when he was one of the teams team that won 80 00:04:26,147 --> 00:04:31,547 Speaker 3: the world the gold medal, and just his presence on 81 00:04:31,547 --> 00:04:34,787 Speaker 3: on on the field is a major boost ready for 82 00:04:34,867 --> 00:04:37,507 Speaker 3: the whole whole of the image of a French rugby, 83 00:04:37,507 --> 00:04:40,547 Speaker 3: that this is a French rugby have at last found 84 00:04:40,627 --> 00:04:44,227 Speaker 3: their star, their poster boy or the or the sort 85 00:04:44,227 --> 00:04:47,787 Speaker 3: of undisputed star that they can build an image of 86 00:04:47,787 --> 00:04:50,947 Speaker 3: French rugby around something that they've been lacked over the 87 00:04:51,027 --> 00:04:55,667 Speaker 3: last decades. But it's nothing, it's nothing fake about it. 88 00:04:55,707 --> 00:04:59,187 Speaker 3: He's is a genuine he's a genuine talent and he's 89 00:04:59,227 --> 00:05:01,387 Speaker 3: going to be a genuine threat for New Zealand. And 90 00:05:01,427 --> 00:05:03,787 Speaker 3: I'm sure they're aware of that, a genuine threat for 91 00:05:03,907 --> 00:05:07,347 Speaker 3: New Zealand on Saturday, United stud de Franse. But at 92 00:05:07,387 --> 00:05:10,387 Speaker 3: the same time, my experience, it hasn't gone to his head. 93 00:05:10,667 --> 00:05:14,787 Speaker 3: He remains very, very down to earth, very sort of 94 00:05:15,147 --> 00:05:17,707 Speaker 3: humble in the in the way that New Zealand disliked 95 00:05:17,747 --> 00:05:22,267 Speaker 3: their their stars to be. And also very respectful today 96 00:05:22,307 --> 00:05:24,507 Speaker 3: in one of some of his press conferences, some very 97 00:05:24,507 --> 00:05:28,267 Speaker 3: respectful about the image of New Zealand rugby and the 98 00:05:28,547 --> 00:05:32,027 Speaker 3: way the generations and generations of New Zealand players have 99 00:05:32,147 --> 00:05:34,787 Speaker 3: been an inspiration to French players and to him. 100 00:05:34,787 --> 00:05:37,867 Speaker 4: Also, Yeah, pretty impressive, God, that's for sure. How do 101 00:05:37,907 --> 00:05:41,307 Speaker 4: you assess the strength of the French forward pack Ian. 102 00:05:43,547 --> 00:05:47,547 Speaker 3: Well, it's it'll be interesting to see how it goes. 103 00:05:47,827 --> 00:05:49,987 Speaker 3: They've they've been very they've been very strong, and they've 104 00:05:49,987 --> 00:05:53,547 Speaker 3: brought they've built a very strong platform for France over 105 00:05:53,587 --> 00:05:56,267 Speaker 3: the past few years. It's something that that to Gante 106 00:05:56,387 --> 00:06:00,027 Speaker 3: has worked very very hard on their their scrum, their 107 00:06:00,027 --> 00:06:02,987 Speaker 3: line out and their ability to carry carry the ball, 108 00:06:04,427 --> 00:06:08,427 Speaker 3: their their hooker. Of Actually, he's I think one of 109 00:06:08,467 --> 00:06:10,827 Speaker 3: the All Black coaches referred to him as one of 110 00:06:10,907 --> 00:06:12,827 Speaker 3: the one of the best players in world rugby at 111 00:06:12,827 --> 00:06:15,627 Speaker 3: the moment. He's on fire at the moment. And the 112 00:06:16,107 --> 00:06:20,307 Speaker 3: and the back row with Oldrett, Rumat and Budhel should 113 00:06:20,347 --> 00:06:24,027 Speaker 3: have should have what it takes to counter that very 114 00:06:24,027 --> 00:06:26,627 Speaker 3: interesting All Black back row that's been formed for this game. 115 00:06:27,267 --> 00:06:31,987 Speaker 3: The point that I'm sort of interested in is the well, 116 00:06:32,067 --> 00:06:36,067 Speaker 3: it's kind of France's Polynesian contingent, especially in the in 117 00:06:36,107 --> 00:06:40,227 Speaker 3: the front five with Tavita the tongue and boy Tavita 118 00:06:40,307 --> 00:06:47,387 Speaker 3: tatafu at at tight head and the Otahu who born 119 00:06:47,907 --> 00:06:53,387 Speaker 3: Australian Samo and Emmanuel Meyer in second row. Those those 120 00:06:53,627 --> 00:06:56,107 Speaker 3: both those together, they'll they'll be shoring up the right 121 00:06:56,147 --> 00:06:59,267 Speaker 3: side of the French scrum. And between them they wear 122 00:06:59,307 --> 00:07:01,907 Speaker 3: over three hundred kilograms and I think that's going to 123 00:07:01,907 --> 00:07:04,747 Speaker 3: be a major threat for the All Blacks to try 124 00:07:04,787 --> 00:07:07,907 Speaker 3: and contain that physical mass and the physical strength that 125 00:07:07,947 --> 00:07:10,627 Speaker 3: those two players bring to the game. But at the 126 00:07:10,667 --> 00:07:14,347 Speaker 3: same time, looking at the way they played against against 127 00:07:14,427 --> 00:07:18,307 Speaker 3: Japan on the weekend, I thought that as soon as 128 00:07:18,347 --> 00:07:20,747 Speaker 3: the game started to speed up, as soon as the 129 00:07:21,427 --> 00:07:23,827 Speaker 3: and as soon as if the All Blacks managed to 130 00:07:23,827 --> 00:07:26,507 Speaker 3: get some pace into their game, if they can target 131 00:07:26,547 --> 00:07:28,187 Speaker 3: these two and get them running around a bit, I 132 00:07:28,227 --> 00:07:32,427 Speaker 3: think that that massive weight that they both carry could 133 00:07:32,507 --> 00:07:35,867 Speaker 3: count against them, and I think maybe the All Black 134 00:07:36,507 --> 00:07:40,027 Speaker 3: pack will show itself to be a bit more athletic 135 00:07:40,187 --> 00:07:42,147 Speaker 3: in general than the French packers. 136 00:07:42,747 --> 00:07:45,427 Speaker 4: You mentioned the fifty two to twelve win over Japan 137 00:07:45,547 --> 00:07:49,627 Speaker 4: last weekend. What can we take from that game? Ian? 138 00:07:51,267 --> 00:07:53,147 Speaker 3: We can't take a lot of it. I don't think 139 00:07:53,147 --> 00:07:58,627 Speaker 3: it was a very satisfactory preparation for France going into 140 00:07:59,107 --> 00:08:01,107 Speaker 3: a game against a team like the All Blacks. So 141 00:08:01,107 --> 00:08:03,947 Speaker 3: they've only had the one game, whereas the All Blacks 142 00:08:03,987 --> 00:08:06,947 Speaker 3: have had all those you know, well, okay, but if 143 00:08:06,947 --> 00:08:09,307 Speaker 3: we just talk about this tour, they've just had four 144 00:08:09,387 --> 00:08:12,627 Speaker 3: games so far. But they certainly have gone from strength 145 00:08:12,667 --> 00:08:15,707 Speaker 3: to strength in those games against very strong teams England 146 00:08:15,707 --> 00:08:18,827 Speaker 3: at home obviously in Ireland at home, which is something 147 00:08:18,827 --> 00:08:21,907 Speaker 3: that the French haven't been able to do. So I 148 00:08:21,907 --> 00:08:23,827 Speaker 3: don't think there's a lot that can be read into 149 00:08:23,867 --> 00:08:28,627 Speaker 3: that particular victory. The only thing I think we can 150 00:08:28,867 --> 00:08:30,627 Speaker 3: read into it is that in fact they scored over 151 00:08:30,667 --> 00:08:33,667 Speaker 3: fifty points, but they only had fifty one percent of 152 00:08:33,707 --> 00:08:39,427 Speaker 3: the possession. And that's part of Gualtier's plan, not to 153 00:08:39,467 --> 00:08:43,267 Speaker 3: be obsessed with actually having the ball, possessing the ball. 154 00:08:43,667 --> 00:08:47,827 Speaker 3: There's no point in expending energy trying to attack in 155 00:08:47,827 --> 00:08:51,107 Speaker 3: your own half if it's just going to be recycling 156 00:08:51,107 --> 00:08:56,547 Speaker 3: phases and expending energy when you're not anywhere near the 157 00:08:56,627 --> 00:09:01,787 Speaker 3: try line opposite try line. So Gualtier's what we can learn, 158 00:09:02,067 --> 00:09:04,267 Speaker 3: if that's going back to your question, is that they 159 00:09:04,267 --> 00:09:07,707 Speaker 3: will try and use the same sort of uh play 160 00:09:08,027 --> 00:09:10,187 Speaker 3: or style of play that I've been using for some time. 161 00:09:10,227 --> 00:09:15,027 Speaker 3: That is what what Guardier calls dispossession, in other words, 162 00:09:15,387 --> 00:09:18,187 Speaker 3: not trying to take advantage of every single ball that 163 00:09:18,267 --> 00:09:21,187 Speaker 3: comes your way, but but choosing choosing the ones to attack, 164 00:09:21,427 --> 00:09:23,827 Speaker 3: so getting out of your own half, getting into the 165 00:09:23,867 --> 00:09:27,067 Speaker 3: All Blacks half, and then mounting their strike moves with 166 00:09:27,267 --> 00:09:31,867 Speaker 3: the the very real quality they've got in there. They're 167 00:09:31,907 --> 00:09:38,227 Speaker 3: attacking players on on on one wing, Vidier on the other. 168 00:09:38,627 --> 00:09:42,587 Speaker 3: This new fullback Roman Buross from from Bordeaux who's been 169 00:09:42,667 --> 00:09:46,467 Speaker 3: spectacular also on the on the counter attack, and of 170 00:09:46,507 --> 00:09:49,867 Speaker 3: course also with Entoine DuPont, they're at the same all 171 00:09:49,907 --> 00:09:52,387 Speaker 3: that all the time being able to sort of master 172 00:09:52,467 --> 00:09:58,467 Speaker 3: his troops or musters troops and and also himself apply 173 00:09:58,627 --> 00:10:01,667 Speaker 3: the killer blow when it's needed for France to try 174 00:10:01,707 --> 00:10:02,827 Speaker 3: and break through and score. 175 00:10:03,587 --> 00:10:06,587 Speaker 4: And the All Blacks in in particular they're performing is 176 00:10:06,587 --> 00:10:09,467 Speaker 4: against England and Ireland in the last two weekends. What 177 00:10:09,507 --> 00:10:13,267 Speaker 4: if you made of the All Blacks in recent times. 178 00:10:13,747 --> 00:10:17,907 Speaker 3: Well, I've made some of my own observation is that 179 00:10:18,347 --> 00:10:21,787 Speaker 3: they were probably very lucky to win against England, but 180 00:10:21,827 --> 00:10:23,667 Speaker 3: then you do always need a bit of luck when 181 00:10:23,707 --> 00:10:27,067 Speaker 3: you're when you're trying to rebuild, and I think that's 182 00:10:27,547 --> 00:10:30,187 Speaker 3: for once that luck was on their side or on 183 00:10:30,507 --> 00:10:33,867 Speaker 3: Scott Robertson's side, they could eat just as easy. You've 184 00:10:33,907 --> 00:10:35,867 Speaker 3: lost that game, but they did hang in there, and 185 00:10:36,067 --> 00:10:40,387 Speaker 3: I thought that they started to show premises of a 186 00:10:39,667 --> 00:10:42,587 Speaker 3: new a new style and a new especially a new 187 00:10:42,587 --> 00:10:45,827 Speaker 3: hardness in the front five where they really put England 188 00:10:45,907 --> 00:10:49,227 Speaker 3: under pressure both at scrum time and on the ruck ball. 189 00:10:49,627 --> 00:10:53,187 Speaker 3: And I think that going on from that, they they 190 00:10:53,187 --> 00:10:56,947 Speaker 3: have gone a step further against Ireland where really the 191 00:10:57,227 --> 00:10:59,707 Speaker 3: front five was one of the I would think major 192 00:10:59,747 --> 00:11:02,667 Speaker 3: satisfactions for the All Blacks in that game where they 193 00:11:02,747 --> 00:11:06,107 Speaker 3: put Ireland under incredible pressure, the sort of pressure that 194 00:11:06,187 --> 00:11:08,227 Speaker 3: I and doesn't I don't think it's had for a 195 00:11:08,307 --> 00:11:12,147 Speaker 3: very long time, and so that which which built the 196 00:11:12,147 --> 00:11:14,747 Speaker 3: platform for the All Blacks to be able to to 197 00:11:14,827 --> 00:11:17,747 Speaker 3: build build their victory. It wasn't a great it wasn't 198 00:11:17,907 --> 00:11:20,427 Speaker 3: a very spectacular game, and maybe that's what will happen 199 00:11:20,427 --> 00:11:24,667 Speaker 3: again against France tomorrow night. But that what they're doing 200 00:11:24,747 --> 00:11:28,787 Speaker 3: is putting putting the book building blocks in place and 201 00:11:28,827 --> 00:11:32,067 Speaker 3: making sure they're not getting confused and trying to score 202 00:11:32,107 --> 00:11:36,147 Speaker 3: flash tries from everywhere, but at the same time very 203 00:11:36,387 --> 00:11:40,107 Speaker 3: building on on their on their strengths and using their 204 00:11:40,147 --> 00:11:44,427 Speaker 3: strengths to to to suffocate. They suffocated Ireland and expect 205 00:11:44,427 --> 00:11:46,147 Speaker 3: they will try and do the same against France. 206 00:11:46,827 --> 00:11:48,507 Speaker 4: All Right, Well, I've been trying to work out who 207 00:11:48,787 --> 00:11:51,507 Speaker 4: who the favorites are for this game. I'm not actually 208 00:11:51,587 --> 00:11:53,387 Speaker 4: sure that I can come up with an answer. Who 209 00:11:53,387 --> 00:11:55,427 Speaker 4: do you think our favorite? Who do you reckonal win? 210 00:11:56,547 --> 00:11:58,827 Speaker 3: Well, it's I think it's going to be very very 211 00:11:58,907 --> 00:12:01,027 Speaker 3: very close. But I think I think New Zealand have 212 00:12:01,307 --> 00:12:03,867 Speaker 3: have got have got the edge. I think They've got 213 00:12:03,907 --> 00:12:06,107 Speaker 3: the edge because of the preparation I've had over the 214 00:12:06,147 --> 00:12:09,747 Speaker 3: powerst few weeks. They've got the edge because France have 215 00:12:09,827 --> 00:12:14,507 Speaker 3: got some really untried players. I still think that the 216 00:12:14,947 --> 00:12:18,867 Speaker 3: prop from Bayonne, Tivite Tatafu at tighthead, I think he's 217 00:12:18,867 --> 00:12:23,627 Speaker 3: still maybe not quite ready yet for international rugby. And 218 00:12:23,707 --> 00:12:26,387 Speaker 3: it's also quite a risk bringing in a brand new 219 00:12:26,427 --> 00:12:29,227 Speaker 3: fullback with who hasn't had any caps at all to 220 00:12:29,267 --> 00:12:33,147 Speaker 3: play against New Zealand in his first game. And I 221 00:12:33,147 --> 00:12:36,667 Speaker 3: think New Zealand also there's no lack of motivation for 222 00:12:36,707 --> 00:12:38,547 Speaker 3: the All Blacks going into this game. If you just 223 00:12:38,587 --> 00:12:41,747 Speaker 3: look at the last three times they've played. They played 224 00:12:41,747 --> 00:12:44,907 Speaker 3: at Stud de France. First of all was losing the 225 00:12:44,947 --> 00:12:48,787 Speaker 3: final of the World Cup. Before that was losing twenty 226 00:12:48,827 --> 00:12:51,067 Speaker 3: seven to thirteen to France, which is the second biggest 227 00:12:51,787 --> 00:12:54,907 Speaker 3: defeat in the history against France, and before that in 228 00:12:54,947 --> 00:12:58,387 Speaker 3: twenty twenty one their biggest ever defeat against France forty 229 00:12:58,427 --> 00:13:01,827 Speaker 3: to twenty five a day which was kind of a 230 00:13:01,867 --> 00:13:04,987 Speaker 3: turning point I think in the history of French rugby 231 00:13:05,027 --> 00:13:08,627 Speaker 3: and this French team. Turning point in terms of public support, 232 00:13:09,387 --> 00:13:15,347 Speaker 3: in terms of an incredibly massive masseieers the national anthem 233 00:13:15,427 --> 00:13:17,947 Speaker 3: being sung in a way that I'd never ever seen 234 00:13:17,987 --> 00:13:22,507 Speaker 3: in over thirty years or forty years covering France, and 235 00:13:22,547 --> 00:13:25,027 Speaker 3: that sort of spirit is still there in the French 236 00:13:25,067 --> 00:13:28,107 Speaker 3: public as it was born on that day, I believe. 237 00:13:29,507 --> 00:13:33,787 Speaker 3: But I think that so those motivational points having lost 238 00:13:33,787 --> 00:13:36,027 Speaker 3: their last three times at Stade de France, but also 239 00:13:36,067 --> 00:13:39,387 Speaker 3: I think, and just chatting to the team this week, 240 00:13:39,747 --> 00:13:43,067 Speaker 3: one of the big factors is going to be the 241 00:13:43,107 --> 00:13:46,827 Speaker 3: memory of the nineteen twenty four vincipal side. It's one 242 00:13:46,867 --> 00:13:49,627 Speaker 3: hundred years since that nineteen twenty four team came, they 243 00:13:49,667 --> 00:13:52,347 Speaker 3: played thirty two games and they won thirty two games, 244 00:13:52,827 --> 00:13:55,387 Speaker 3: and this particular team, one hundred years later, they want 245 00:13:55,427 --> 00:13:58,747 Speaker 3: to try and emulate the feat of those ancestors of 246 00:13:58,827 --> 00:14:02,027 Speaker 3: nineteen twenty four. So there's no lack of motivation for 247 00:14:02,027 --> 00:14:05,827 Speaker 3: the All Blacks to really produce a very high level 248 00:14:05,867 --> 00:14:08,587 Speaker 3: performance against France here on Saturday night. 249 00:14:09,107 --> 00:14:13,907 Speaker 4: Fascinating test and prospect. Really appreciate your analysis and insight. Ian, 250 00:14:13,947 --> 00:14:15,027 Speaker 4: thanks indeed for joining us. 251 00:14:15,467 --> 00:14:17,307 Speaker 3: Okay, then thanks for calling, No, thank you. 252 00:14:17,267 --> 00:14:21,307 Speaker 4: For answering Ian indeed, Ian Borthwick there are longtime France 253 00:14:21,347 --> 00:14:24,667 Speaker 4: based rugby journalist. He's watched a heck of a lot 254 00:14:24,667 --> 00:14:27,747 Speaker 4: of French rugby and All Blacks rugby, as I'm sure 255 00:14:27,787 --> 00:14:29,187 Speaker 4: you have over the last little while. 256 00:14:29,667 --> 00:14:32,867 Speaker 1: For more from Weekend Sport with Jason Fine, listen live 257 00:14:32,947 --> 00:14:36,227 Speaker 1: to News Talk sed B weekends from midday, or follow 258 00:14:36,267 --> 00:14:37,907 Speaker 1: the podcast on iHeartRadio.