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Speaker 2: Start your weekend off the right way.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks at Bold.

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Speaker 3: And New Zealand. Good morning, Welcome to News Talks ed

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Speaker 3: be Jack tam with you through to mid day. And

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Speaker 3: I have just been jiggling my strawberriesap and jiggling my strawberries.

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Speaker 3: I jiggle my strawberries every day at the moment. Every

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Speaker 3: morning when I leave the house, I jiggle my strawberries.

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Speaker 3: It's the last thing I do. I think we need

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Speaker 3: a better saying, though, I don't think that phrase strawberry

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Speaker 3: jiggling is quite right. You know the process though, when

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Speaker 3: you go by your strawberry patch, you've got the straw down,

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Speaker 3: but you still just move the strawberries just a little bit,

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Speaker 3: just in case there's been any condensation or moisture overnight.

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Speaker 3: You don't want your strawberries developing bedsaws, you know, you

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Speaker 3: just want to keep them nice and fresh. So I've

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Speaker 3: been doing that this morning. And if the strawberries at

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Speaker 3: your place looking anything like the strawberries at my place,

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Speaker 3: which is to say, they're looking red, ripe, plump, delicious

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Speaker 3: before ten o'clock this morning. We have a fantastic, really

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Speaker 3: simple recipe to get the most out of them, a

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Speaker 3: roasted vanilla strawberries recipe that our cook is going to

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Speaker 3: be sharing with you our feature interview after ten o'clock

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Speaker 3: this morning. Is a big dog in the world of

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Speaker 3: best sellers. Michael Conley is going to be with us.

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Speaker 3: He has just combined two of his favorite characters from

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Speaker 3: his more than forty books, out of which I think

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Speaker 3: about forty New York Times best sellers. He's combined two

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Speaker 3: of his favorite characters and this really gripping new story

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Speaker 3: that kind of involves some of the big questions of

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Speaker 3: the modern age around big tech, artificial intelligence, that kind

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Speaker 3: of thing. So he's gonna be with us after ten

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Speaker 3: o'clock this morning. Right now, it's eight minutes past nine.

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Speaker 4: Jack Team.

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Speaker 3: It arrived in the hands of a waiter who moved

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Speaker 3: with the lightness and grace of a ballet dancer across

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Speaker 3: the restaurant floor. It had a fleshy color, a creamy

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Speaker 3: brown kind of hue, and it was inflated to the

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Speaker 3: size of a balloon, but the shape was slightly less uniform.

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Speaker 3: Asparagus said the waiter prepared in this pig's bladder. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how many bladder based meals you've had in

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Speaker 3: your life, but that was a first for me. The asparagus,

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Speaker 3: i should say, the single spear of asparagus, was absolutely delicious,

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Speaker 3: although not quite so amazing that I personally felt compelled

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Speaker 3: to give up roasting food in my oven in favor

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Speaker 3: of bladder cooking. From then on I was dining at

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Speaker 3: a place called Leven Madison Park. It's this extraordinary fine

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Speaker 3: dining restaurant at the foot of Madison Ave in New York,

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Speaker 3: just across the way from the flat Iron building Tom

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Speaker 3: Brady had his penthouse across the road. I once saw

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Speaker 3: Rupert Murdoch walking his dog in the park outside, and

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Speaker 3: the food at ELP is almost as fancy as its neighbors.

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Speaker 3: As a winner of three Michelin Stars, Eleven Madison Park

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Speaker 3: is widely considered one of the very best restaurants in

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Speaker 3: the world. The Michelin Star system is certainly an effective

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Speaker 3: marketing tool. At the very least it has been with me,

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Speaker 3: prehaps before I had kids, not quite so much now.

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Speaker 3: When there was slightly more dispendable income, I sought out

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Speaker 3: Michelin Star restaurants all around the world. So in New

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Speaker 3: York I went to the Michelin Star restaurant The Musket Room,

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Speaker 3: headed up by Kiwi Matt Lambert. I dined in Bilbao,

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Speaker 3: where they have a higher concentration of Michelin starred restaurants

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Speaker 3: at what was the world's cheapest Michelin starred restaurant, Dim

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Speaker 3: treated eating at most of these places as an experience,

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Speaker 3: nourishment necessarily, but as food for memories. As the Michelin

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Speaker 3: Star judges turn their attention to New Zealand's restaurants scene,

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Speaker 3: I just hope they don't come here expecting the absolute

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Speaker 3: finest of fine dining. And I appreciate that these days

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Speaker 3: they look at a range of different sorts of restaurants. Right,

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Speaker 3: But for a few exceptions, the lardie dar isn't really us.

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Speaker 3: We don't do fussy, we don't do fiddley. We want

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Speaker 3: a more casual, relaxed style that kind of befits our culture.

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Speaker 3: Really good ingredients cooked well and more often than not,

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Speaker 3: designed to be shared. And it's funny as incredible as

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Speaker 3: my night was all those years ago at eleven Madison Park.

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Speaker 3: The single best meal of my life. Wasn't it a

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Speaker 3: Michelin starred restaurant. There were no white tablecloths. There was

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Speaker 3: no Somaliae curated wine list, no Old World New World.

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Speaker 3: It was in a tiny, legally questionable fire trap of

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Speaker 3: an apartment in Paris that my best mate called his home.

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Speaker 3: I had flown in with another friend the day before,

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Speaker 3: the local farmers' markets and picked up some gooey cheese,

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Speaker 3: on the floor of the apartment, still grubby and sweaty,

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Speaker 3: cutting off hunks of each and stuffing them into our mouths.

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Speaker 3: It was heaven. And that's the thing about the best meals. Ultimately,

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Speaker 3: the best meals are not made with the truffle moose,

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Speaker 3: or the poached do Do's egg, or even the inflated

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Speaker 3: pigs bladder that's not what makes the magic people make

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Speaker 3: the magic check Team ninety two. Ninety two is our

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Speaker 3: text number if you want to send me your message

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Speaker 3: this morning. Don't forget the standard text costs supplies. Sharon

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Speaker 3: has gone really quick to say speak for yourself, Jack, Hey,

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Speaker 3: on what part of what part am I speaking for

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Speaker 3: myself for Sharon? Maybe Sharon does do a lot of

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Speaker 3: cooking and bladders could be wrong there, Sharon, you can

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Speaker 3: email me as well, Jacket Newstalks, he'db dot co dot

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Speaker 3: nz is my email address. But fourteen o'clock this morning,

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Speaker 3: we've got your film picks for this week, plus our

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Speaker 3: sportos thoughts on the A League RB this evening, Aukland

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Speaker 3: FC taking on the Wellington Phoenix in their first clash

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Speaker 3: of the new season. Kevin Melon will kick us off

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Speaker 3: for our Saturday Morning together next Right now, it's fourteen

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Speaker 3: minutes past night and I'm Jack Tamer's Saturday Morning This

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Speaker 3: is News Talks.

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Speaker 4: Z'd be.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with

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Speaker 1: Jack Saturday Morning with Jack Team News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Be okay, He's not having it this morning. On the text,

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Speaker 3: he says, designed to share, designed to share anyone dare

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Speaker 3: pinch my chips gets their fingers cut right off. Jack,

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Speaker 3: You're right, fancy restaurants are a special experience, a rear

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Speaker 3: treat in our house. But like you, it's an experience.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing. You're not going for the meal, You're

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Speaker 3: going for the experience. Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, personally,

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Speaker 3: I'm quite happy just having the more relaxed, the more

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Speaker 3: relaxed dining experience generally speaking. But yeah, well, once in

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Speaker 3: a blue moon and like every five years or something. Maybe, right,

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Speaker 3: it's a very very treaty. Two it is our text

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Speaker 3: number this morning, Jacket Newstalok said, beatt co dot and

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Speaker 3: he said, you know what I actually remember about leaving

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Speaker 3: Madison Park as well as the bladder obviously, because we

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Speaker 3: did that. I did that terrible mistake where we did

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Speaker 3: a wine match and I am not someone known for

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Speaker 3: his great drinking capacity at the best of times, not

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Speaker 3: a big drinker, and so we did the wine match,

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Speaker 3: and so by the end of the night it was

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Speaker 3: I was sort of in a little bit of a

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Speaker 3: sideway state, and I remember going home in the taxi

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Speaker 3: and the last thing that did at the restaurant is

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Speaker 3: they gave you a jar of granola, So a jar

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Speaker 3: of cereal to take home with you, so that the

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Speaker 3: next day when you woke up, you could go back

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Speaker 3: and you could look at the menu and think, oh,

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Speaker 3: those are all the things we had last night, and

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Speaker 3: here's some cereal to start the day. And as I

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Speaker 3: made my way home in the taxi, feeling a little

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Speaker 3: bit wobbly, I ate the granola. So there you go,

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Speaker 3: most expensive dinner of my life, and I left hungry.

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Speaker 3: I'll get to bore your feedback in a few minutes.

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Speaker 3: Kevin Milner's here with us this morning to kick them

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Speaker 3: morning off together.

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Speaker 5: Get Kevin, get a jack funny story. Funny story.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a.

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Speaker 5: Nice idea. Actually, they give you a granola and you

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Speaker 5: think about the place again in the morning. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 5: if you've held out that long.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the that's the thing, isn't it. It's only

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Speaker 3: if you hold out that long. And apparently I didn't

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Speaker 3: on that occasion. It was it was kind of beautifully

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Speaker 3: it was, you know, beautifully presented, like it was this

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Speaker 3: lovely jar. Yes, and they you know, they had like

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Speaker 3: a little ribbon tied around it and everything, and I thought,

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Speaker 3: this is going to look great. Tomorrow morning if we

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Speaker 3: can get there. Ah, and we're not going to get there.

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Speaker 3: I'm just a little bit peckish. But never mind.

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Speaker 5: The only Metell place that I've eaten and was quite recently.

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Speaker 5: And then Hong Kong, right Cam's Roast Goose.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw that was one.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the goose was fantastic, but the everything else was

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Speaker 5: so wrong because it had a Metell and stay yet

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Speaker 5: to queue up outside before we get for at least

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Speaker 5: twenty forty minutes they said in the book an hour,

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Speaker 5: but we got a bit mogger than that, and the

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Speaker 5: service was really average. And you shared that you shared

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Speaker 5: tables with everybody else, which I don't like much. If

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Speaker 5: I were to say, what were the best meals ever

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Speaker 5: had they were actually around there? Do you remember a

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Speaker 5: guy at TV and there called Mike Valentine. Yeah, well

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Speaker 5: Mikey is a superb cook, And go round to him

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Speaker 5: and Caroline Menye's place for a meal and you'll be

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Speaker 5: still going out to any restaurant.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh that's it. Like I say, though, I mean fundamentally,

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Speaker 3: it is people who make the best experiences, the best

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Speaker 3: dining experiences as far as I'm concerned, No matter how

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Speaker 3: good the food is, it is the people that make it.

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Speaker 3: But Kevin, anyway, this morning, you have been turning your

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Speaker 3: attention to the warming weather and to clothes lines.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yes, that sort of. I don't know whether we're

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Speaker 5: getting into an early silly season, Jack, but it turns

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Speaker 5: out I'm a fan of clothes pegs. Last year I

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Speaker 5: got quite excited about these wonderfully colored plastic pegs called

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Speaker 5: mister Peg and the Peg family.

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Speaker 3: Do you know, I'm Jack, No, I don't give it.

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Speaker 3: It's not something I usually give a lot of attention

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Speaker 3: to him on us.

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Speaker 5: There's only to be snobby about it, Jack. Their pegs

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Speaker 5: were smiling faces on them, right. I believe they used

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Speaker 5: to turn up at the bottom of laundry powder packets.

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Speaker 4: Sort of.

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Speaker 5: Maybe they still do now you can buy them online

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Speaker 5: as it were. Anyway, we had one of these pegs

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Speaker 5: in our kitchen for years. If any of the kids

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Speaker 5: got grumpy, Linda would bring out mister Peg. Her little

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Speaker 5: lecture went along the lines of if mister Peg can

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Speaker 5: maintain a smile despite being an old peg hung out

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Speaker 5: to dry every day, then surely we all can. And

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Speaker 5: it worked. You couldn't look at the pegs smile without

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Speaker 5: your spirits lifting. But now I've found some other pegs

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Speaker 5: that make me smile. They're the original classic Kiwi Sunshine

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Speaker 5: spring pegs and bright yellow one hundred percent recycled plastic

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Speaker 5: made in Hamilton. This PEG's been around since nineteen sixty

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Speaker 5: three apparently, but it's been repackaged and an extremely cheerful,

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Speaker 5: bright yellow pack. And what I like about the new

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Speaker 5: pack is it says on top still made here and

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Speaker 5: enz by a good bloke named Brian. In the small print,

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Speaker 5: it tells us Brian's been making his well loved pegs

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Speaker 6: Jack.

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Speaker 5: I love a product that brings a bit of humanity

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Speaker 5: but I say on your Brian, good boy, good on

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Speaker 5: your sunshine for helping us keep our laundry on the line,

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Speaker 3: Yeah so good, Kevin, so good. I want to I

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Speaker 3: want to. I'd love to know a bit more about

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Speaker 3: Maybe just maybe just saw a saw a you know,

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Speaker 5: No, they're good. I mean the mister Peg and Pig family.

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Speaker 5: I ended up buying a whole bunch to them, and

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Speaker 5: with because they come in two sizes. There's mister and

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Speaker 5: Missus Peg they're large, and then the Peg children they're

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Speaker 5: they they've all got smiles on their faces and they're

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Speaker 3: Ah, very good, idea. You've opened my you you've furthered

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Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you keep the clothes on the line?

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Speaker 5: On that case?

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Speaker 7: You must?

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Speaker 3: Oh, no, this is okay, hang of all steal yourself

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Speaker 3: with this given. Yeah, we don't hang clothes on the

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Speaker 5: Oh no, for goodness sake, you don't find you don't

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Speaker 5: find the practice we.

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Speaker 3: Have we have I've got a clothes horse. I use

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Speaker 3: You know, Okay, it's not as obviously not good for

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Speaker 5: So I reckon. I reckon. A good old clothes line,

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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true, that's absolutely true. No, I do

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Speaker 3: I agree with you. Is it a key we thing,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it might be probably.

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Speaker 3: I feel like that feels like the sort of thing

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Speaker 3: is going to be a New Zealand invention. Anyway, Kevin,

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Speaker 3: you so much. That's that's so good. Here you go.

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Speaker 3: Gilly's messages us to say, Jack, Kevin, they are the

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Speaker 3: only clothes pigs I've ever bought. I'm just sad that

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Speaker 3: you can't get the colded ones. Anymore brilliant sunshine pigs

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Speaker 5: So there you go.

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Speaker 3: Josh reckons that vogals peanut butter granola clusters deserve a

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Speaker 3: couple of Michelin Stars, and someone on the text is Jack.

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Speaker 3: When it comes to Michelon Star restaurants, it's important to

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that. Only two and only two. If

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Speaker 8: He'd be.

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Speaker 2: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Evy, here you go all the advice, floods and jet

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Speaker 3: You've got to hang the towels on the line and

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Speaker 3: soften them up. That's a good option. Actually, Jack, you're lazy.

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Speaker 3: It's very good exercise. Hang out the clothes on the

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Speaker 3: you've just lost any green credentials. I'm not sure that

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Speaker 3: I have any green credentials too. Honestly, you can smell

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Speaker 3: the difference between solar and wind dried clothes and those

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Speaker 3: using the grid. Ah. Yeah, that's that's that's fair. It

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Speaker 4: It does.

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Speaker 3: You know, they can't. It can be a bit. This

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Speaker 3: is that like hint of moisture that can be frustrating

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Speaker 3: A ninety ninety two. We'll get to more of your

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Speaker 3: is here with us this morning. Keild Usavia, do you

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Speaker 3: hand clothes on the washing line?

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Speaker 9: I hang them on clothes horses, Jack.

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Speaker 3: Right, laugh, Okay, no, no, no, we do the same thing.

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Speaker 9: We use that in the sun.

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Speaker 4: Ye.

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Speaker 10: Look, I would never having having you guys having a

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Speaker 10: little one. I'd never I would never cast suspursions you're

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Speaker 3: We do, I would say, have an abnormally high especially yes, yes, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 10: Know this sound this is going to sound bloody weird,

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Speaker 10: But I do find it quite therapeutic hanging washing up.

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Speaker 3: Do you like on a on a washing line or.

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Speaker 9: On a clothes horse or whatever you call those gadgets.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I don't. I don't. I don't relate

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Speaker 9: Doing dishes or unloading the dishwasher.

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Speaker 5: I like.

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Speaker 9: I like hanging clothes and getting the angles right.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I see, yes, it must be. You must be

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Speaker 9: I know how to have fun mates exactly.

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Speaker 3: Another wild weekend at this goodness. Hey, let's start off

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Speaker 3: with the All Blacks. It's sort of it's been really

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Speaker 3: tricky to know how much to read into that performance

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Speaker 3: last week. Obviously, in the fallout, some of the injury

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Speaker 3: early in the game kind of fundamentally shifted the dynamics

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Speaker 5: No? No?

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Speaker 10: And I think the Irish wire ordinary too compared to

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Speaker 9: On the downward slide.

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Speaker 10: Look, the All Blacks played really well in the last

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Speaker 9: So yeah, it is.

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Speaker 10: It's hard to get a fix on this All Black

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Speaker 10: One week to have a blinder, the next week they lose,

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Speaker 10: I think the big positive in Chicago Jack was, like

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Speaker 10: late in the game with superior fitness and umph off

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Speaker 10: a couple of Here's a couple of stats to maybe

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Speaker 10: have Scottish fans nervous. The overall record at Murrayfield and

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Speaker 10: one hundred years of playing test matches there in Edinburgh

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Speaker 10: fifty winning record at home, Oh my god, which sums

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Speaker 10: up Scottish rugby plucky. The old term plucky is often news,

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Speaker 10: but quite often they don't win much. They've never won

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Speaker 10: the Six Nations, the last time they won that event

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Speaker 10: ninety nine. And did you realize the Scotts haven't toured

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Speaker 10: here for twenty five years.

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Speaker 9: Wow, it's staggering, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: We seem to We seem to play them every second

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Speaker 10: score their first ever victory against your Blacks. Yeah, they

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Speaker 10: some good They've got some good players. The Scotts at

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Speaker 9: We used to beat them on average thirty forty points.

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Speaker 5: That's not the case these days.

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Speaker 10: They've got Finn Russell at ten who's well regarded. He's

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Speaker 10: quite unattacking first five. So if they can get enough ball,

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Speaker 10: they might threaten. But I just think it's all black team.

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Speaker 10: The way they finished that game in Chicago will have

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Speaker 3: No, I totally I agree with that. Hey, the first

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Speaker 9: Year is tonight and we were looking forward to this.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I'm actually looking forward to Jack to see the women's

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Speaker 10: Phoenix team under the Priestsman, the controversial coach who coached

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Speaker 10: back to New Zealand and got this top job, well

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Speaker 10: regarded coach I think on the football pitch. So the

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Speaker 10: Phoenix had a flat season. Lastly, the women's team. They

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Speaker 10: this game. There's a few players in there don't like

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Speaker 5: Orten.

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Speaker 10: They have done their best to fire it up during

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Speaker 9: So looking forward to this.

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Speaker 5: All right, sir.

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Speaker 3: We will let you get back to your angles on

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Speaker 3: your clothes horse and catch again very soon. Thank you, Sam.

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Speaker 3: That is our sport of Andrew Savage. The All Backs

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Speaker 3: kicking off against Scotland tomorrow morning, just after four o'clock.

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Speaker 3: I think four ten am is kickoff and that match.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your feedback. Jack, appreciate the

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Speaker 3: pig chat this morning.

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Speaker 5: Jack.

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Speaker 3: Towels are hard because people use too much washing powder.

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Speaker 3: It's the residue that makes them hard. Use a smaller

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Speaker 3: amount of washing powder, then a bit of baking soder,

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Speaker 3: bit of white vinegar leaves clothes soft and clean and

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Speaker 3: you don't get the awful soap powder smell and Harry

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Speaker 3: says Jack. Dry towels on the line or anything else,

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Speaker 3: for that hard all floods in this morning ninety two

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Speaker 3: ninety two. If you want to send us a text message,

434
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Speaker 3: got a couple of films to recommend at our film

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Speaker 3: section next right now it's twenty six to ten, twenty

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Speaker 3: three to ten on Newstalks, it'd be That's Benny that

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Speaker 3: songs called Cinnamon So Hot off supporting the tours of

438
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Speaker 3: global pop stars Olivia Rodrigo and Tate McCrae. She's just

439
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Speaker 3: released album number two. It's a nice little, nice little number,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. Hey, thanks for your messages, Jack says regarding

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Speaker 3: you comments on Michelin Star restaurants this morning, Jack, so true.

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Speaker 3: It is about the people and the moments and enjoying

443
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Speaker 3: great food together. Yeah, that's the thing about really good meals.

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Speaker 3: They're kind of the vehicle for great memories with friends

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Speaker 3: or family. Like that's that that they're kind of the

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Speaker 3: door or the realm through which you you have those memories. Ah,

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Speaker 3: thanks for that. So ninety two ninety two If you

448
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Speaker 3: want to send us a message. Francisca Rudkins, she's a

449
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Speaker 3: big fan of Michelin Star restaurants.

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Speaker 8: Don't think I've ever been to one.

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Speaker 3: Really, no, never. Is it the sort of thing you

452
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Speaker 3: would if you if the Michelin Stars. So they've got

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Speaker 3: the Michelon Star restaurants coming here there, so would you

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Speaker 3: look at the list of Michelin Star restaurants, And would

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Speaker 3: that affect that if I.

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Speaker 11: Was traveling and there was one place I'd really wanted

457
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Speaker 11: to go, then I would try and book. I mean,

458
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Speaker 11: obviously a lot of times you need to book into

459
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Speaker 11: these places months and months in advance, so I might

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Speaker 11: pick one try and pick one place and do a

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Speaker 11: special meal. But I think when I'm traveling, it's often

462
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Speaker 11: more about the you're trying to find some.

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Speaker 3: Food.

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Speaker 11: You're just trying to find sort of quite authentic, affordable food,

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Speaker 11: to be honest with you, That's the way I travel.

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Speaker 3: But what about if it's in New Zealand. I think it's.

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Speaker 8: Fantastic for the our local sheifts. I think they're amazing.

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Speaker 11: And if they're going to be recognized on an international

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Speaker 11: level and it brings more people into into our restaurants

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Speaker 11: and it gives them some you know, could then I

471
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Speaker 11: think it's great. Although I don't understand why it costs

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Speaker 11: six point three million to bring it here, but never mind.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I feel like that'd be good to explore, Like

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Speaker 3: how do you get a job with the Michelin people? Like,

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Speaker 3: how can it be your job just to roll around

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Speaker 3: and do that? That seems like a nice little.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, without anyone knowing, without anyone knowing who

478
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Speaker 11: you are in harassing you or anything.

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Speaker 5: Right that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Anyway, two films for us this week, so we're

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Speaker 3: going to start off with one that is showing in cinemas.

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Speaker 3: This is Bogonia.

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Speaker 7: Welcome to the headquarters of your Human Resistance.

484
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Speaker 8: Where's my hair?

485
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Speaker 2: Your hair has been destroyed to prevent you from contacting

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Speaker 2: your ship, watch ship, your mothership Dad to day.

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Speaker 11: So have you are you a fan of your goss? Lantimos,

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Speaker 11: the Greek author of the Greek filmmaker, Sorry.

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Speaker 9: I don't know.

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Speaker 11: I think the favorite Poor Things, like a lot of

491
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Speaker 11: people watch Poor Things when it came on to streaming services.

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Speaker 11: I think I might have even been on TV set

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Speaker 11: at one point, and most people I know who started

494
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Speaker 11: watching it said I couldn't finish it.

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Speaker 8: He isn't a quiet taste.

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Speaker 11: He is a unique He's an auteur as opposed to

497
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Speaker 11: just a film direct So you know, he's got his

498
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Speaker 11: own vision in his own way of telling stories, and he.

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Speaker 3: Does be quite divisive.

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Speaker 11: It can be quite divisive. He likes to mix comedy

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Speaker 11: and horror and tragedy. He likes his actors to perform

502
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Speaker 11: in quite a dead pan way, in quite a detached

503
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Speaker 11: and then there'll be these sudden moments of violence or absurdity.

504
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Speaker 11: Often it can be quite bleak, but he does. Look

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Speaker 11: he sort of depicts the human condition in society and

506
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Speaker 11: things in such a unique way. I'll always catch one

507
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Speaker 11: of his films. Some I love more like the ones

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Speaker 11: that he has co written written himself. I think a

509
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Speaker 11: really cohesive like Dog Tooth, The Killing of the Sacred

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Speaker 11: Deer and The Lobster. Huge fan of.

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Speaker 3: Oh I saw the Lobster.

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Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, huge fan of. And then of course he

513
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Speaker 11: became very well, yeah no, this is the thing.

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Speaker 8: He's weird.

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Speaker 11: So and then he became very well known with The Favorite,

516
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Speaker 11: which started Olia Coleman and got all the Oscar nominations.

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Speaker 11: So that's sort of you know. Anyway, So he is

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Speaker 11: back with this new film once again starring Emma Stone

519
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Speaker 11: who appeared in Poor Things, and I think she is

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Speaker 11: just really proving how fabulous she is as an actress

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Speaker 11: and what she can do in things.

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Speaker 8: This one's another is.

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Speaker 11: A film which is a little bit quirky. Look, it's

524
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Speaker 11: looking at the division in the world today, it's looking

525
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Speaker 11: at kind of lone wolfs and conspiracy theorists and the

526
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Speaker 11: fact that we don't listen to each other there anymore,

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Speaker 11: and there's kind of corporate greed and vole. So we've

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Speaker 11: got this lovely character, Teddy played by Jesse Plemons, and

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Speaker 11: along with his disabled cousin Don they believe that this person,

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Speaker 11: Michelle Fuller played by Emma Stone, the CEO of a

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Speaker 11: large pharmaceutical pharmaceutical company, is actually an alien spy who

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Speaker 11: has come to Earth to destroy humans, and that she

533
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Speaker 11: is going to be able to talk to her emperor,

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Speaker 11: to her boss and a couple of days time when

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Speaker 11: there is a lunar eclipse and they kidnap her in

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Speaker 11: order to hold her, you know, to ransom that she

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Speaker 11: convinces the emperor not to destroy humans. So it's a

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Speaker 11: little bit nutty. It's a little bit fatty. He is

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Speaker 11: a factory worker. He works in one of her factories.

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Speaker 11: It's clear there's been a lot of trauma in his life.

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Speaker 11: A cop turns up to apologize for something he did

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Speaker 11: to him in childhood and he's very blaxed about it.

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Speaker 11: So there's some clear signs that, you know, he's had

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Speaker 11: a lot to deal with in his life. Michelle, on

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Speaker 11: the other hand, is great because at first she's she's

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Speaker 11: full on. She is cold and clinical, and she is

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Speaker 11: all about, you know, the company and making money. And

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Speaker 11: so she said, you know that the company had had

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Speaker 11: a bit of bad press about you know, that people

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Speaker 11: work outs and how horrible it was to work. So

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Speaker 11: she says, she starts this new memory, and she says,

552
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Speaker 11: it's okay, I would like you all to finish work

553
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Speaker 11: at five o'clock if you think you've deserved it, you know.

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Speaker 3: Like, So she's great.

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Speaker 11: So she's really cold and Sele when she's kidnapped, she

556
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Speaker 11: realizes that she doesn't know what they're talking about, right,

557
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Speaker 11: and then she realizes that maybe the best thing to

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Speaker 11: do is just to go along with these two and

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Speaker 11: that will help her escape and things, and off we go.

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Speaker 11: And the film is really clever because our sympathies kind

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Speaker 11: of switch allegiances between these characters, you know, are we

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Speaker 11: kind of you know with Michelle or she maybe we

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Speaker 11: were deady now and all o ca. So it's really interesting.

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Speaker 11: But this film is all about the ending and that

565
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Speaker 11: you will either love it or you will hate it,

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Speaker 11: and it is polarizing people an awful lot. I thought

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Speaker 11: it was brave and audacious and the film needed it.

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Speaker 11: I loved it. But people are some people are absolutely

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Speaker 11: hating it. So you have to go and sit through

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Speaker 11: this quirky thing and make up your own mind.

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Speaker 3: That's very interesting indeed, all right. So that is Bogonia

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Speaker 3: that's showing in cinemas at the moment on Netflix. This

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Speaker 3: is ballad of a small player.

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Speaker 4: Macau, gambling capital of the universe.

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Speaker 12: Here card games can change your life in an insta.

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Speaker 2: My name is Doyle, Lord.

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Speaker 3: Doyle, and Lord Doyle sounds awfully like Colin Taril.

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Speaker 11: It is, That's exactly how it is. And I was

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Speaker 11: drawn to this film on Netflix because I went to

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Speaker 11: Macaw I think when I was a teenager in the

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Speaker 11: mid late eighties.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 11: No, my parents like to take us to interesting places

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Speaker 11: and I can remember it very very clearly, this Portuguese

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Speaker 11: influence and the gambling and the small casinos and things,

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Speaker 11: and of course I wouldn't recognize it now because it

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Speaker 11: is the Vegas of Asia, and so I was.

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Speaker 8: Intrigued to watch this film.

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Speaker 11: And we are set very much within the casino world,

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Speaker 11: and it's both glamorous and not so glamorous, and we

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Speaker 11: see this. We see Macaw through the eyes of Lord Doyle,

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Speaker 11: who's a professional gambler. He's hit rock bottom. He owes

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Speaker 11: a lot of money to a hotel, he's stang in

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Speaker 11: and casinos and credit lenders and things. But he believes

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Speaker 11: that you can't keep losing.

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Speaker 8: At some point.

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Speaker 11: Statistically he has to win, right, So if you can

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Speaker 11: just get that win, he'll be okay till the Swinton

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00:30:37,933 --> 00:30:40,453
Speaker 11: turns up as Betty, a character I couldn't quite get

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Speaker 11: my head around. She's quite cartoonish and she's clearly chasing

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Speaker 11: him for some debts that he owes in the UK

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Speaker 11: as well. And it's pretty obvious from the beginning that

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Speaker 11: Lord Doyle isn't quite who he thinks and says he is.

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Speaker 11: So this all sort of unravels, But it's really the

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Speaker 11: story of a man who kind of at rock bottom,

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Speaker 11: sort of discovers he has a conscience and wants to

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Speaker 11: kind of do the right thing and redeem himself somehow.

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Speaker 11: I've got a bit lost in this film, to be

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Speaker 11: honest with you. I thought it was a overwrought. It's

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Speaker 11: very stylized visually. I got a bit sick of just

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Speaker 11: seeing Colin Farrell sweating a lot, you know, you know,

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Speaker 11: it was just it all just like everything had just

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Speaker 11: been pushed and I think that's what it's supposed to do.

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Speaker 8: I think they're trying to push everything up.

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Speaker 3: But he's a lost soul.

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Speaker 8: Unfortunately, I just didn't really care too much for him.

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Speaker 3: Very good. That is Ballad of a small Player. So

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Speaker 3: that one's on Netflix. Bogonia is in cinemas now, and

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Speaker 3: all the details for those films are going to be

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Speaker 3: on the news talks. He'd be website.

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Speaker 1: It is called a teen Saturday Morning with Jack Team

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Speaker 1: keeping the conversation going through the weekend US Talks.

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Speaker 3: He'd be how about this, Jack, I won a holiday

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Speaker 3: to the Sunshine Coast after buying Sunshine Pigs a few

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Speaker 3: years ago. All expenses paid, Gray Holiday. Fantastic Jack. Sunlight,

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Speaker 3: says Amanda after using a stain remover, is guaranteed to

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Speaker 3: make stubborn stains disappear. Also, ultra violent light is antibacterial.

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Speaker 3: There we go. Everyone's got their tips this morning. Appreciate

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Speaker 3: it ninety two ninety two. If you want to send

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Speaker 3: us a message, Cook Nicky Wicks is here with this morning.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure She's got some thoughts on Michelin starred restaurants.

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Speaker 3: Good morning Nikki.

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Speaker 13: Good morning Jack.

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Speaker 14: Yes, big week, big week for our hospitality sector.

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Speaker 13: I'd say, I mean it's a great thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I can. Our Brown made some interesting comed It's

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Speaker 3: just about the kind of pressure that can put on

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Speaker 3: on on chefs and restaurants, and I can I can

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Speaker 3: appreciate that. I can see how that would you know,

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Speaker 3: how that might influence you and kind of, you know,

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Speaker 3: wigh on you and hang over you. I remember talking

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Speaker 3: to Matt Lamb but about that, the kind of pressure

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Speaker 3: that comes with the expectations sometimes. But yeah, at the

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Speaker 3: same time, if it means that, you know, it gives

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Speaker 3: a bit of a boost to our hospital scene. I

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Speaker 3: think there's probably probably Yeah.

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Speaker 14: And I have sat for so long that we have

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Speaker 14: such incredible dining in this country, you know, up and

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Speaker 14: down the length of the country, and our food really

650
00:32:53,653 --> 00:32:55,933
Speaker 14: does stand up there in terms of any of the

651
00:32:56,333 --> 00:32:59,933
Speaker 14: wonderful meals that I've had overseas. And I and I

652
00:32:59,933 --> 00:33:02,293
Speaker 14: feel as though it's great to have an international standard.

653
00:33:02,333 --> 00:33:04,493
Speaker 14: Whether or not that's the standard we want, I don't know,

654
00:33:04,573 --> 00:33:07,053
Speaker 14: but I think it'll be great. I also think that

655
00:33:07,093 --> 00:33:09,373
Speaker 14: if our chiefs can get their head around it, they

656
00:33:09,413 --> 00:33:11,813
Speaker 14: can control that sort of fissure themselves too, you know,

657
00:33:11,853 --> 00:33:13,693
Speaker 14: I think I think it's a good thing. I did

658
00:33:13,733 --> 00:33:16,813
Speaker 14: love what you said about us being free casual. So yes,

659
00:33:16,853 --> 00:33:19,253
Speaker 14: I have dined in a couple of Michelin Star restaurants,

660
00:33:19,293 --> 00:33:22,533
Speaker 14: one and Lyon and one in San Sebastian, and both

661
00:33:22,613 --> 00:33:25,373
Speaker 14: were very stuffy and you know, very sort of fine

662
00:33:25,453 --> 00:33:25,853
Speaker 14: dining in.

663
00:33:26,413 --> 00:33:27,773
Speaker 13: The food was extraordinary.

664
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Speaker 14: But I'm really looking forward to the fact that these

665
00:33:30,893 --> 00:33:33,293
Speaker 14: judges will see that New Zealand can bring that sort

666
00:33:33,333 --> 00:33:36,893
Speaker 14: of level of cuisine but in perhaps a more relaxed

667
00:33:36,933 --> 00:33:37,693
Speaker 14: which doesn't mean.

668
00:33:37,613 --> 00:33:42,053
Speaker 13: As slack or you know, bad service kind of environments.

669
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Speaker 13: So yeah, I'm looking.

670
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Speaker 3: Forward to it.

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00:33:43,853 --> 00:33:44,133
Speaker 9: Right.

672
00:33:44,293 --> 00:33:48,733
Speaker 3: So I've been jiggling my strawberries very very thoughtfully, because

673
00:33:48,773 --> 00:33:50,253
Speaker 3: we need a bit of term for that anything that's

674
00:33:50,253 --> 00:33:52,573
Speaker 3: got no ideas about that, you know what I mean though, right,

675
00:33:52,653 --> 00:33:54,133
Speaker 3: And when you move your storberries just a little bit

676
00:33:54,133 --> 00:33:56,933
Speaker 3: so they don't you do so, which means they and

677
00:33:56,973 --> 00:33:59,373
Speaker 3: they are just right now, like I reckon this afternoon,

678
00:33:59,413 --> 00:34:01,213
Speaker 3: I'm probably gonna have my first strawberries of the season.

679
00:34:01,573 --> 00:34:02,933
Speaker 13: I love it. If you got them covered. So the

680
00:34:02,933 --> 00:34:05,013
Speaker 13: birdst Oh, I love it.

681
00:34:05,053 --> 00:34:05,413
Speaker 15: I love it.

682
00:34:05,453 --> 00:34:05,693
Speaker 13: God.

683
00:34:05,933 --> 00:34:08,413
Speaker 14: Well, look you know, I mean I love strawberries, but

684
00:34:08,453 --> 00:34:12,093
Speaker 14: I think unfortunately they do appear on our shelves too

685
00:34:12,173 --> 00:34:13,333
Speaker 14: early to be really great.

686
00:34:13,373 --> 00:34:14,213
Speaker 13: So I actually think that.

687
00:34:14,173 --> 00:34:16,613
Speaker 14: Strawberries have got a struggle on their hands for popularity

688
00:34:16,893 --> 00:34:20,653
Speaker 14: because there's so many other great berries these days. And really,

689
00:34:20,693 --> 00:34:24,613
Speaker 14: strawberries get really good end of November December purely in

690
00:34:24,653 --> 00:34:27,133
Speaker 14: the shops. Until then, they can be a little bit

691
00:34:27,173 --> 00:34:29,973
Speaker 14: white on the inside, they can be a little bit chewy,

692
00:34:30,173 --> 00:34:31,733
Speaker 14: a little bit I don't know, it's a little bit

693
00:34:31,853 --> 00:34:32,733
Speaker 14: lacking in flavors.

694
00:34:32,773 --> 00:34:34,933
Speaker 13: So at this time of the year, I.

695
00:34:34,693 --> 00:34:38,333
Speaker 14: Am buying punnets of them, and I like to rather

696
00:34:38,373 --> 00:34:41,493
Speaker 14: than jiggle them, I pop them in a pan and

697
00:34:41,613 --> 00:34:42,253
Speaker 14: roast them.

698
00:34:42,373 --> 00:34:44,093
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that way, oh, it.

699
00:34:44,093 --> 00:34:46,373
Speaker 13: Really brings the sunshine into them. It's great. So look,

700
00:34:46,693 --> 00:34:48,573
Speaker 13: you can you can either roast them or do them

701
00:34:48,613 --> 00:34:49,293
Speaker 13: on the stovetop.

702
00:34:49,333 --> 00:34:51,573
Speaker 14: But the thing is, when you're cooking strawberries is you

703
00:34:51,613 --> 00:34:54,653
Speaker 14: want to cook them until they just slump a little.

704
00:34:55,053 --> 00:34:57,453
Speaker 14: You don't want to cook them to oblivion because they

705
00:34:57,533 --> 00:35:00,133
Speaker 14: sort of swell up and go very mushy. So roasting

706
00:35:00,173 --> 00:35:02,453
Speaker 14: is probably the safest option here. I don't know oven

707
00:35:02,493 --> 00:35:04,533
Speaker 14: on one hundred and eighty something like that. In a pan,

708
00:35:04,933 --> 00:35:07,533
Speaker 14: I've used a tablespoon of brown or white sugar juice

709
00:35:07,533 --> 00:35:09,293
Speaker 14: from an orange in there. You could use a lemon

710
00:35:09,333 --> 00:35:11,773
Speaker 14: as well, and then plenty of vanilla. I've got some

711
00:35:11,813 --> 00:35:14,133
Speaker 14: old old vanilla pods that I brought back years ago

712
00:35:14,173 --> 00:35:16,653
Speaker 14: from Vietnam I think declared them.

713
00:35:17,453 --> 00:35:19,373
Speaker 13: Have them, scrape the seeds out and put.

714
00:35:19,213 --> 00:35:21,053
Speaker 14: That in the pan with them as well, and oh,

715
00:35:21,493 --> 00:35:25,853
Speaker 14: it just really intensifies the flavor of them. I've given

716
00:35:25,933 --> 00:35:30,373
Speaker 14: you lots of different serving suggestions for these. I love

717
00:35:30,453 --> 00:35:33,373
Speaker 14: them spooned over breosh toast or on a toasted croissant

718
00:35:33,733 --> 00:35:36,133
Speaker 14: that's also been swiped with a nice big heap of

719
00:35:36,293 --> 00:35:39,853
Speaker 14: fresh ricotta in a bowl, of course, with some ice

720
00:35:39,933 --> 00:35:42,893
Speaker 14: cream that makes sense. But a lick of balsamic vinegar,

721
00:35:42,933 --> 00:35:45,293
Speaker 14: believe it or not, or a grind of black pepper

722
00:35:45,333 --> 00:35:47,773
Speaker 14: and some crushed haazelnuts is amazing.

723
00:35:47,893 --> 00:35:50,733
Speaker 13: Those two flavors. Those flavors go really well with strawberries.

724
00:35:51,533 --> 00:35:54,453
Speaker 14: Maybe fill some bought grapes or some homemade crapes with

725
00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:58,173
Speaker 14: these cooled strawberries with some chopped pistachios, but a Greek yogurt,

726
00:35:58,213 --> 00:36:02,493
Speaker 14: bit of whipped cream, and then I love to buy

727
00:36:02,573 --> 00:36:06,133
Speaker 14: a terrible sponge cake from the supermarket, or make your

728
00:36:06,133 --> 00:36:09,573
Speaker 14: own homemade bask cheesecake or sponge cake, but you know either,

729
00:36:09,733 --> 00:36:12,533
Speaker 14: or top it with a whole lot of beautiful whipped

730
00:36:12,533 --> 00:36:15,333
Speaker 14: cream or Musca pony and then put these, you know,

731
00:36:15,453 --> 00:36:20,413
Speaker 14: just spoon these beautiful, drizzly kind of cooled roasted strawberries

732
00:36:20,453 --> 00:36:22,533
Speaker 14: on top, and you've just got a winning dessert.

733
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Speaker 13: So so many things you can do with.

734
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Speaker 3: Them, Jack, It sounds so good and very easy, very easy.

735
00:36:28,493 --> 00:36:31,173
Speaker 3: You could just that in no time, right, Yeah.

736
00:36:30,733 --> 00:36:32,293
Speaker 13: Absolutely, and you won't be sorry.

737
00:36:32,333 --> 00:36:35,413
Speaker 14: They'll just taste like you know, round about you know, January,

738
00:36:35,453 --> 00:36:38,453
Speaker 14: the strawberries are starting to jemmy just by themselves.

739
00:36:38,493 --> 00:36:39,693
Speaker 13: But at the moment we've got to give them.

740
00:36:39,613 --> 00:36:40,333
Speaker 15: A little bit of help.

741
00:36:41,253 --> 00:36:41,453
Speaker 1: Yeah.

742
00:36:41,533 --> 00:36:43,653
Speaker 14: Yeah, So you keep jiggling, and I can't wait till

743
00:36:43,693 --> 00:36:45,893
Speaker 14: you first take you know, you taste that first strawberry,

744
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:46,613
Speaker 14: because it's gonna be.

745
00:36:46,613 --> 00:36:49,173
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, it's such a good feeling. Hey, Carol's

746
00:36:49,213 --> 00:36:51,093
Speaker 3: just text us to say she just put your strawberry

747
00:36:51,093 --> 00:36:52,733
Speaker 3: and vanilla shortcake in the oven. Tell you what this

748
00:36:52,813 --> 00:36:56,773
Speaker 3: would be good on top of that, wouldn't it My goods.

749
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Speaker 14: To strawberry recipes and canvas today, So I'm all about

750
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Speaker 14: the strawberries.

751
00:36:59,613 --> 00:37:02,613
Speaker 3: Looks fantastic. Hey, thanks so much. We'll make sure that

752
00:37:02,693 --> 00:37:06,933
Speaker 3: recipe for Nicky's roasted vanilla strawberries is up the news talks.

753
00:37:06,973 --> 00:37:10,493
Speaker 3: He'd be websites. So if your strawberries are ready for enjoying,

754
00:37:10,693 --> 00:37:13,253
Speaker 3: like Minor, you can start getting into it seven to

755
00:37:13,253 --> 00:37:13,973
Speaker 3: ten on news Talks.

756
00:37:13,973 --> 00:37:17,173
Speaker 1: He'd be giving you the inside scoop on all you

757
00:37:17,213 --> 00:37:21,053
Speaker 1: need to know Saturday morning with Jack dam News Talks.

758
00:37:21,093 --> 00:37:21,373
Speaker 4: It'd be.

759
00:37:23,613 --> 00:37:31,493
Speaker 3: Refreshing the strawberries, rotating your strawberries, reviving your strawberries. Now,

760
00:37:31,533 --> 00:37:34,333
Speaker 3: it's not quite right. Maybe I'm the only one who

761
00:37:34,333 --> 00:37:35,973
Speaker 3: does it. I just think I've had there's so many

762
00:37:35,973 --> 00:37:39,213
Speaker 3: bad experiences with my strawberries over the years where you

763
00:37:39,333 --> 00:37:41,253
Speaker 3: just leave them a little bit too long and maybe

764
00:37:41,253 --> 00:37:43,053
Speaker 3: they've got contact with the ground, there's a little bit

765
00:37:43,053 --> 00:37:44,893
Speaker 3: of moisture or whatever, and then they get a kind

766
00:37:44,893 --> 00:37:48,093
Speaker 3: of big rotten spot. So I've I've got a little

767
00:37:48,133 --> 00:37:52,213
Speaker 3: straw down and I'm going out each morning and just

768
00:37:52,213 --> 00:37:54,453
Speaker 3: just kind of subtly moving them just a little bit,

769
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Speaker 3: you know, kind of so they don't get bedsaws. I

770
00:37:56,973 --> 00:37:58,253
Speaker 3: need to find a bit of word for it. Anyway,

771
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Speaker 3: we'll get to more of your feedback after ten o'clock

772
00:38:00,013 --> 00:38:01,653
Speaker 3: this morning. As well as that, we're going to tell

773
00:38:01,653 --> 00:38:05,253
Speaker 3: you about this new show called The Heck. It is

774
00:38:05,413 --> 00:38:10,093
Speaker 3: a drama tells the story of the incredible phone hacking

775
00:38:10,213 --> 00:38:12,653
Speaker 3: story in the UK that I know is not just

776
00:38:12,653 --> 00:38:14,693
Speaker 3: fascinating for those of us who work in journalism, but

777
00:38:14,733 --> 00:38:17,453
Speaker 3: fascinating for people everywhere, given some of the names who

778
00:38:17,493 --> 00:38:19,893
Speaker 3: were caught up in that. And don't forget of course,

779
00:38:19,893 --> 00:38:23,013
Speaker 3: our feature interview right after the ten o'clock News this morning,

780
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Speaker 3: best selling author Michael Conley is going to be with us.

781
00:38:26,853 --> 00:38:31,013
Speaker 3: He has just from this amazing new book that talks

782
00:38:31,013 --> 00:38:33,653
Speaker 3: about some of the big problems that may be coming

783
00:38:33,693 --> 00:38:36,653
Speaker 3: down the line very soon with the likes of big

784
00:38:36,693 --> 00:38:39,653
Speaker 3: tech and artificial intelligence. So he's going to be with

785
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:41,773
Speaker 3: us to tell us about his new book and tell

786
00:38:41,853 --> 00:38:46,973
Speaker 3: us about surviving the la fires because his neighborhood was

787
00:38:46,973 --> 00:38:49,013
Speaker 3: caught up in the fires. People he knew were caught

788
00:38:49,053 --> 00:38:50,813
Speaker 3: up in the fires. So he'll be with us very shortly.

789
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Speaker 3: It's almost ten o'clock. Bob News is next to you

790
00:38:52,813 --> 00:38:55,133
Speaker 3: with Jack Tame. It's Saturday Morning on News Talk Zed.

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Speaker 1: Be cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with

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Speaker 1: Jack Tame, News talksb.

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Speaker 16: Mord Any.

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Speaker 3: You were jac Taim on News Talk z'b our feature

795
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Speaker 3: interview this morning is author Michael Conley, one of the

796
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Speaker 3: world's most beloved thriller authors. He's created in depth universes

797
00:39:39,773 --> 00:39:42,533
Speaker 3: around well known characters like Mickey Haller and the Lincoln

798
00:39:42,573 --> 00:39:47,133
Speaker 3: Lawyer and Harry Bosh, and his narrative tellings continue to expand.

799
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Speaker 3: His new book, The Proving Ground sees how a team

800
00:39:49,933 --> 00:39:52,973
Speaker 3: up with a journalist to take on big tech AI

801
00:39:53,293 --> 00:39:56,373
Speaker 3: and uncover a whistleblower and hiding all with billions of

802
00:39:56,413 --> 00:40:00,333
Speaker 3: dollars at stake. Michael Conley is with us this morning, Kelder,

803
00:40:00,373 --> 00:40:01,133
Speaker 3: Welcome to the show.

804
00:40:02,613 --> 00:40:03,453
Speaker 4: Glad to be here.

805
00:40:03,813 --> 00:40:05,973
Speaker 3: It is a great pleasure to be speaking with you

806
00:40:06,573 --> 00:40:08,693
Speaker 3: about The Proven Ground. It really feels like you have

807
00:40:09,653 --> 00:40:12,813
Speaker 3: taken on what is set to be the issue of

808
00:40:12,853 --> 00:40:15,973
Speaker 3: the time. So tell us how did you get interested

809
00:40:16,053 --> 00:40:17,333
Speaker 3: in artificial intelligence?

810
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Speaker 17: Well, I think I have a history of being interested

811
00:40:22,133 --> 00:40:25,453
Speaker 17: in technological advances.

812
00:40:24,933 --> 00:40:29,493
Speaker 4: And you know, for every great.

813
00:40:30,093 --> 00:40:35,333
Speaker 17: Discovery and invention and move forward with technology, there's always

814
00:40:35,373 --> 00:40:38,693
Speaker 17: somebody out there who is looking to turn it against us,

815
00:40:39,413 --> 00:40:43,213
Speaker 17: you know. So I usually use my reporter Jack McVoy

816
00:40:43,293 --> 00:40:45,893
Speaker 17: that character to explore this stuff. And I've done the

817
00:40:45,893 --> 00:40:52,053
Speaker 17: Internet and DNA analytics and data storage datata and you know,

818
00:40:52,133 --> 00:40:55,093
Speaker 17: so AI was like kind of prime for me, I think.

819
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Speaker 17: And there was a couple of cases that really caught

820
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Speaker 17: my eye that made me, you know, say, yeah, I

821
00:41:03,053 --> 00:41:05,533
Speaker 17: know AI is going to change the world for the better,

822
00:41:05,653 --> 00:41:08,853
Speaker 17: but are we moving too fast or is there is

823
00:41:08,893 --> 00:41:11,893
Speaker 17: there you know, should we really understand what's going on

824
00:41:11,973 --> 00:41:17,333
Speaker 17: out there? And these involved young people being yeah, encouraged,

825
00:41:17,373 --> 00:41:20,973
Speaker 17: I guess is the right word, Uh, to do things

826
00:41:20,973 --> 00:41:23,613
Speaker 17: that were really bad, like harm themselves or harm others.

827
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Speaker 17: And uh, they they broken the news a couple of

828
00:41:27,133 --> 00:41:30,693
Speaker 17: years ago, and so it started there. And then in

829
00:41:30,733 --> 00:41:34,373
Speaker 17: the process of writing this book, things like this, we're

830
00:41:34,453 --> 00:41:36,893
Speaker 17: breaking in the news almost every week, and so it's

831
00:41:36,973 --> 00:41:39,173
Speaker 17: kind of become come to a head at the moment

832
00:41:39,453 --> 00:41:44,053
Speaker 17: and uh uh So you know, the proving Ground is

833
00:41:44,053 --> 00:41:46,093
Speaker 17: an exploration of it. You know, I don't want to

834
00:41:46,173 --> 00:41:49,853
Speaker 17: say it's didactic didactic or tells anyone how to think,

835
00:41:49,893 --> 00:41:53,093
Speaker 17: But it does you know, maybe uh raise a flag

836
00:41:53,133 --> 00:41:54,613
Speaker 17: and say, take a look at this.

837
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Speaker 3: Well, I think it, Yeah, I think it explores some

838
00:41:57,053 --> 00:42:03,053
Speaker 3: of the inherent ethical complexity that comes with the technology, right,

839
00:42:03,253 --> 00:42:05,453
Speaker 3: and so how do you how do you think about

840
00:42:05,493 --> 00:42:10,573
Speaker 3: that ethical complete with some of the other technological subjects

841
00:42:10,573 --> 00:42:12,453
Speaker 3: that you focused on in the past, because, like you say,

842
00:42:13,093 --> 00:42:15,293
Speaker 3: this is not the first time you've you've had your

843
00:42:15,293 --> 00:42:18,133
Speaker 3: eye kingly focused on the technology of the moment.

844
00:42:19,613 --> 00:42:19,813
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I mean, as I said before, I usually use this

846
00:42:22,293 --> 00:42:27,413
Speaker 17: journalist character that I've created, but this time where I

847
00:42:27,493 --> 00:42:31,853
Speaker 17: found out about these incidences were usually through the filing

848
00:42:31,893 --> 00:42:36,413
Speaker 17: of lawsuits, and so it struck me as something that

849
00:42:36,413 --> 00:42:38,773
Speaker 17: should be in Mickey Haller's court. And of course I

850
00:42:38,853 --> 00:42:43,293
Speaker 17: bring Jack McAvoy into it as a lesser character, because

851
00:42:43,333 --> 00:42:45,373
Speaker 17: that's what I've been doing with him in the past.

852
00:42:46,693 --> 00:42:49,093
Speaker 17: But yeah, it just seemed like the construct of a

853
00:42:49,173 --> 00:42:54,013
Speaker 17: courtroom where both sides have a say, you know, and

854
00:42:54,133 --> 00:42:59,133
Speaker 17: you can hopefully build some tension and surprises and things

855
00:42:59,173 --> 00:43:03,653
Speaker 17: like that. It just seemed perfect for that that stage,

856
00:43:03,773 --> 00:43:07,093
Speaker 17: that that square room, and it added A couple of

857
00:43:07,173 --> 00:43:11,173
Speaker 17: years ago, the last time I wrote about Mickey Haller

858
00:43:11,293 --> 00:43:14,013
Speaker 17: was in a book called Resurrection Walk and it ended

859
00:43:14,053 --> 00:43:16,773
Speaker 17: with him saying, I have to find a pivot. I

860
00:43:16,813 --> 00:43:20,693
Speaker 17: have to move in another direction, and so that it

861
00:43:20,773 --> 00:43:24,373
Speaker 17: played into that. And so the case in the proving

862
00:43:24,373 --> 00:43:27,173
Speaker 17: ground is not a criminal case. He's not defending anybody.

863
00:43:27,213 --> 00:43:30,813
Speaker 17: He's on the offensive. He's calls himself a public interest

864
00:43:30,933 --> 00:43:35,733
Speaker 17: lawyer now and so he finds a case and he

865
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Speaker 17: files it and it's against a big tech company. So

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Speaker 17: you know, it just all worked out perfectly. Not only

867
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Speaker 17: was this what's going on in our world the right time,

868
00:43:47,453 --> 00:43:49,813
Speaker 17: but it was also the right time in my fictional

869
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Speaker 17: world with this character or.

870
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Speaker 3: With this characters. And this is what you were just

871
00:43:55,053 --> 00:43:57,413
Speaker 3: alluded to. So you have Mickey Holler and you have

872
00:43:57,493 --> 00:44:00,653
Speaker 3: Jack McAvoy, who are usually in their own worlds, and

873
00:44:00,693 --> 00:44:03,293
Speaker 3: I appreciate that it's to some extent the same kind

874
00:44:03,293 --> 00:44:07,213
Speaker 3: of fictional world. But taught me through the decision process

875
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Speaker 3: to get characters who have been isolated in series in

876
00:44:12,413 --> 00:44:14,853
Speaker 3: the past and then and then bring them together like this.

877
00:44:15,133 --> 00:44:18,173
Speaker 3: Is there is there ever any any tension there is

878
00:44:18,173 --> 00:44:20,813
Speaker 3: that is that ever you know a kind of you know,

879
00:44:21,093 --> 00:44:22,093
Speaker 3: is that a difficult thing for you?

880
00:44:22,133 --> 00:44:24,373
Speaker 5: To do.

881
00:44:24,413 --> 00:44:26,813
Speaker 17: You mean, like, did they take Jack aside and say, hey, look,

882
00:44:26,813 --> 00:44:27,613
Speaker 17: you're not gonna be.

883
00:44:29,733 --> 00:44:31,813
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're gonna be You're gonna be rolling

884
00:44:31,893 --> 00:44:34,053
Speaker 3: to Mickey's batman this time around.

885
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Speaker 4: Yeah, not really.

886
00:44:36,853 --> 00:44:39,053
Speaker 17: I mean I've been doing it, as you said, you know,

887
00:44:39,173 --> 00:44:43,853
Speaker 17: for other characters, and I just thought, you know.

888
00:44:44,213 --> 00:44:47,533
Speaker 4: Mickey is kind of in the new proving ground, if

889
00:44:47,573 --> 00:44:47,973
Speaker 4: you will.

890
00:44:48,053 --> 00:44:51,893
Speaker 17: He's uh uh, you know, he used to knowing how

891
00:44:51,933 --> 00:44:55,013
Speaker 17: to cut corners and how things work in a criminal court,

892
00:44:56,093 --> 00:44:58,293
Speaker 17: but this is new for him, and I thought he

893
00:44:58,333 --> 00:45:03,613
Speaker 17: could have he should have, you know, some major backup,

894
00:45:04,213 --> 00:45:08,053
Speaker 17: and who else but Jack McAvoy, would you know. I

895
00:45:08,093 --> 00:45:10,933
Speaker 17: think it was very believable that Jack shows up and says,

896
00:45:11,573 --> 00:45:13,213
Speaker 17: I want to write about this case.

897
00:45:13,013 --> 00:45:14,733
Speaker 4: But I think I can help you as well.

898
00:45:14,813 --> 00:45:17,533
Speaker 17: Yeah, And it goes from there and Jack does do

899
00:45:17,693 --> 00:45:21,173
Speaker 17: some good work and gets a major get in this case.

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Speaker 4: I think.

901
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

902
00:45:22,293 --> 00:45:26,213
Speaker 3: So as part of this writing process, you know your

903
00:45:26,333 --> 00:45:31,493
Speaker 3: community experienced those extreme fires. How did you personally feel

904
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Speaker 3: affected by seeing the scale of the devastation.

905
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Speaker 17: I you know, if you live here and love the place,

906
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Speaker 17: it affected you. I mean, but it is a vast place,

907
00:45:42,693 --> 00:45:45,853
Speaker 17: so you know, I had some experiences with it. I was,

908
00:45:46,333 --> 00:45:50,133
Speaker 17: what do you call it, evacuated from this house where

909
00:45:50,173 --> 00:45:52,533
Speaker 17: I'm talking to you from. I had another house that

910
00:45:52,653 --> 00:45:56,213
Speaker 17: burned to the ground, you know, so it's hard not

911
00:45:56,333 --> 00:45:58,893
Speaker 17: to know someone who's affected. I mean, you know, I'm

912
00:45:58,933 --> 00:46:03,453
Speaker 17: involved in a couple of TV shows and literally dozens

913
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Speaker 17: of the people and the crews and in the cat

914
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Speaker 17: lost their homes, lost everything.

915
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Speaker 4: I feel I was luckier than others.

916
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Speaker 17: And then some people didn't affect at all in terms

917
00:46:14,853 --> 00:46:16,813
Speaker 17: of their home.

918
00:46:16,653 --> 00:46:17,293
Speaker 4: And so forth.

919
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Speaker 17: But if you lived here, it affected you because you know,

920
00:46:20,893 --> 00:46:24,693
Speaker 17: you knew it was a deep wound to this community.

921
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Speaker 17: And like I said, I don't think there's anybody who

922
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Speaker 17: doesn't know somebody who wasn't directly affected. I mean almost

923
00:46:31,133 --> 00:46:32,573
Speaker 17: ten thousand homes were gone.

924
00:46:32,813 --> 00:46:33,293
Speaker 4: Ye, so.

925
00:46:34,813 --> 00:46:37,853
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, so it's had a deep effect. And that,

926
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Speaker 17: you know, in terms of me being a writer and

927
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Speaker 17: a writer who wrongly or rightly is kind of expected

928
00:46:45,853 --> 00:46:48,653
Speaker 17: to be a voice of LA I had to back up,

929
00:46:48,853 --> 00:46:53,813
Speaker 17: start over and put it into the story, but hopefully

930
00:46:53,853 --> 00:46:56,213
Speaker 17: not in an exploitive way, by in a way that

931
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Speaker 17: would kind of show Basically I tried to use one

932
00:46:59,933 --> 00:47:02,413
Speaker 17: person as a metaphor for the city, and what she

933
00:47:02,613 --> 00:47:04,853
Speaker 17: goes through is what the city's going through.

934
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Speaker 3: How has it changed you A post speak of saying,

935
00:47:08,693 --> 00:47:15,053
Speaker 3: you know, such a developed city rendered so vulnerable to

936
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Speaker 3: mother nature like that.

937
00:47:17,893 --> 00:47:20,813
Speaker 17: I mean, I think in some ways we've always known that.

938
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Speaker 17: I mean because we live in you know where earthquakes

939
00:47:23,253 --> 00:47:26,453
Speaker 17: could shake the whole place to the ground at any time.

940
00:47:26,573 --> 00:47:30,053
Speaker 17: So we know we're vulnerable. And it's a balance of

941
00:47:30,933 --> 00:47:36,413
Speaker 17: the beauty and freedom you feel here and but knowing

942
00:47:36,493 --> 00:47:39,173
Speaker 17: you know around the corner or at any minutes, things

943
00:47:39,213 --> 00:47:41,733
Speaker 17: can change. I mean, I don't know, it should try

944
00:47:41,733 --> 00:47:44,253
Speaker 17: to show. I mean, like this is a beautiful place.

945
00:47:44,293 --> 00:47:46,053
Speaker 17: I am so lucky I get to live here and

946
00:47:46,093 --> 00:47:46,893
Speaker 17: that's my window.

947
00:47:47,133 --> 00:47:49,973
Speaker 4: Yeah, and uh and and.

948
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Speaker 17: There's always been because of past things like major earthquakes

949
00:47:54,773 --> 00:47:59,613
Speaker 17: and we've had fires before, even riots, there's been a

950
00:47:59,773 --> 00:48:03,093
Speaker 17: built in resilience that you feel about this place. And

951
00:48:03,133 --> 00:48:07,013
Speaker 17: so even though this was quite devastating, you know, I

952
00:48:07,013 --> 00:48:08,653
Speaker 17: wrote an essay within a couple.

953
00:48:08,493 --> 00:48:11,213
Speaker 4: Of weeks saying, like, I know we'll be back. We built,

954
00:48:11,573 --> 00:48:12,173
Speaker 4: build back.

955
00:48:12,413 --> 00:48:14,893
Speaker 17: That's what we do in LA And you know that's

956
00:48:14,893 --> 00:48:17,213
Speaker 17: a community thing that you know, it's not just la

957
00:48:17,293 --> 00:48:20,453
Speaker 17: if this happened to any place, you know, hurricanes in Florida,

958
00:48:20,493 --> 00:48:23,853
Speaker 17: which I have experienced with. You know, it's the it's

959
00:48:23,853 --> 00:48:27,013
Speaker 17: the human and this of it that that you know,

960
00:48:27,773 --> 00:48:33,213
Speaker 17: humans have some kind of ability to shake it off,

961
00:48:33,653 --> 00:48:34,893
Speaker 17: rebuild and move on.

962
00:48:35,253 --> 00:48:35,453
Speaker 2: Yeah.

963
00:48:35,813 --> 00:48:38,173
Speaker 3: So Michael, you're just showing me the view out of

964
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Speaker 3: your window through your zoom link right now. It looks incredible. Yeah,

965
00:48:42,853 --> 00:48:44,613
Speaker 3: like you say, a beautiful part of the world. You're

966
00:48:44,613 --> 00:48:47,493
Speaker 3: listening to Jack Tame. I'm speaking with author Michael Conley

967
00:48:47,613 --> 00:48:50,773
Speaker 3: about the Proving Ground his latest book. Michael, you said

968
00:48:50,773 --> 00:48:54,693
Speaker 3: a few minutes ago that you think, on balance, AI

969
00:48:55,893 --> 00:49:01,333
Speaker 3: has some amazing present, some amazing opportunities to the world

970
00:49:01,373 --> 00:49:05,613
Speaker 3: that it's net positive. But how do you feel about

971
00:49:05,693 --> 00:49:10,093
Speaker 3: the state of AI regulation. This is the technology as

972
00:49:10,093 --> 00:49:13,853
Speaker 3: it stands, and the power that is concentrated within a

973
00:49:13,893 --> 00:49:16,693
Speaker 3: few big take barons in their companies.

974
00:49:18,133 --> 00:49:21,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's that's the key, and that's usually

975
00:49:21,373 --> 00:49:22,253
Speaker 4: where I come in.

976
00:49:22,373 --> 00:49:25,133
Speaker 17: You know, like I was writing about the DNA analytics

977
00:49:25,173 --> 00:49:27,973
Speaker 17: before the government had any regulation on it, and it

978
00:49:28,133 --> 00:49:30,733
Speaker 17: was like, you know, it was the wild West. Well,

979
00:49:30,773 --> 00:49:34,653
Speaker 17: the AI is now the wild West. You know, there's

980
00:49:34,733 --> 00:49:40,413
Speaker 17: no government oversight. So it's become this very competitive business

981
00:49:40,453 --> 00:49:43,413
Speaker 17: with billions of dollars at stake. And yes, they're the

982
00:49:43,493 --> 00:49:47,013
Speaker 17: advancements and improvements are especially in the fields of medicine

983
00:49:47,053 --> 00:49:50,973
Speaker 17: and so forth, are just just phenomenal. And overall this

984
00:49:51,053 --> 00:49:55,573
Speaker 17: is going to improve the world. I believe that. But

985
00:49:55,653 --> 00:49:59,093
Speaker 17: I just think, as Mickey Holler says in this, you

986
00:49:59,213 --> 00:50:04,253
Speaker 17: need more guardrails, you need more overwatch to make sure

987
00:50:04,413 --> 00:50:07,133
Speaker 17: some company trying to make a billion dollars off of

988
00:50:07,253 --> 00:50:11,173
Speaker 17: chat pot is not giving a chat pot coded by

989
00:50:11,253 --> 00:50:15,653
Speaker 17: thirty year old men to thirteen year old girls or boys.

990
00:50:15,773 --> 00:50:18,293
Speaker 17: You know, it's there's a lot of common sense that

991
00:50:18,373 --> 00:50:22,973
Speaker 17: hasn't come into play yet. And and you know, if

992
00:50:23,013 --> 00:50:27,173
Speaker 17: any if there's any flag raised by this book, and

993
00:50:27,213 --> 00:50:29,373
Speaker 17: I even hesitate to say that because it's a thriller

994
00:50:29,613 --> 00:50:32,573
Speaker 17: and I am in but it does explore, you know,

995
00:50:32,693 --> 00:50:36,853
Speaker 17: what's going on in society, but hopefully without me being

996
00:50:37,013 --> 00:50:39,893
Speaker 17: preaching about it. I mean maybe Mickey preaches about it

997
00:50:39,933 --> 00:50:44,013
Speaker 17: in is closing arguments, But you know, I just think,

998
00:50:45,373 --> 00:50:47,973
Speaker 17: come on, guys, think about what you're doing and what

999
00:50:48,013 --> 00:50:50,373
Speaker 17: you're whose hands you're putting stuff into.

1000
00:50:50,573 --> 00:50:52,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I will said, Hey, thank you so much

1001
00:50:52,973 --> 00:50:55,573
Speaker 3: for your time, Micha, We really appreciate it. Congratulations on

1002
00:50:55,613 --> 00:51:00,253
Speaker 3: the Proving Ground. I hope, given your prolific nature, that

1003
00:51:00,293 --> 00:51:02,773
Speaker 3: you do allow yourself to put down the pin every

1004
00:51:02,773 --> 00:51:04,413
Speaker 3: now and then and have a little bit of a break.

1005
00:51:04,413 --> 00:51:07,733
Speaker 3: But yeah, it really is from so we really appreciate

1006
00:51:07,773 --> 00:51:08,133
Speaker 3: your time.

1007
00:51:09,053 --> 00:51:10,973
Speaker 4: Oh thanks for having me. I appreciate your time.

1008
00:51:11,333 --> 00:51:14,093
Speaker 3: That is Michael Connolly. The Proving Ground, the eighth book

1009
00:51:14,253 --> 00:51:18,213
Speaker 3: in Michael's Lincoln Lawyer series is out now and all

1010
00:51:18,213 --> 00:51:20,053
Speaker 3: the details will be on the news talks. He'd be

1011
00:51:20,093 --> 00:51:22,173
Speaker 3: website now before we leven o'clock. On news talks, he'd

1012
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Speaker 3: be We're going to catch up with our personal finance experts.

1013
00:51:24,973 --> 00:51:27,173
Speaker 3: She has been comparing some of the big deals being

1014
00:51:27,173 --> 00:51:29,293
Speaker 3: offered by credit card companies at the moment. There have

1015
00:51:29,413 --> 00:51:32,653
Speaker 3: been some movement on the credit card front, and some

1016
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Speaker 3: of them are offering what can sound like pretty seductive

1017
00:51:37,373 --> 00:51:40,173
Speaker 3: specials and opportunities. But she just has a word of warning,

1018
00:51:40,173 --> 00:51:42,013
Speaker 3: so she's going to join us with that very shortly.

1019
00:51:42,293 --> 00:51:48,613
Speaker 3: Speaking of money, Elon Musk could be the world's first trillionaire. Yay,

1020
00:51:49,413 --> 00:51:51,613
Speaker 3: so a textbook will tell us what that is going

1021
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Speaker 3: to mean for his various big projects very shortly mixed

1022
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Speaker 3: up though. If you're looking for something good to watch

1023
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Speaker 3: screen Time segment, three shows to recommend for you to

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Speaker 1: Jack Dame News Talks EV.

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much for your messages this morning. Good

1029
00:52:15,533 --> 00:52:19,293
Speaker 3: morning Jack, says David. Wonderful interview with Michael Connolly this morning.

1030
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Speaker 3: I've read more than twenty of his books, which are

1031
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Speaker 3: always riveting with contemporary issues worked in regards. Yeah, you're

1032
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Speaker 3: gonna love this one, David. Thank you for that. Ninety

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Speaker 3: two ninety two. If you want to send us a

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1035
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Speaker 3: Saturday morning. That's when Tara Reward, our screen time expert,

1036
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Speaker 3: joins us every week with three shows to recommend for

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Speaker 3: watching or streaming at home. Get a Tara morning that.

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Speaker 18: Good morning, Lee.

1039
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Speaker 3: It's begin with a new show on TV and Z Plus.

1040
00:52:46,493 --> 00:52:48,813
Speaker 3: It starts tomorrow. It's called The Hack.

1041
00:52:49,893 --> 00:52:50,093
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1042
00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:52,733
Speaker 18: This is a new British drama based on a true

1043
00:52:52,773 --> 00:52:56,893
Speaker 18: story about one of the biggest media scandals of recent Times.

1044
00:52:57,093 --> 00:53:00,333
Speaker 18: It starts David Tennant and it's about the investigation into

1045
00:53:00,493 --> 00:53:03,053
Speaker 18: the phone hacking at the News of the World, where

1046
00:53:03,413 --> 00:53:07,173
Speaker 18: the newspaper hired private investigators to illegal hack the phone

1047
00:53:07,213 --> 00:53:10,613
Speaker 18: messages of celebrities and politicians and people in the news

1048
00:53:10,653 --> 00:53:13,693
Speaker 18: as a way of getting news stories. And David Tennant

1049
00:53:13,733 --> 00:53:16,773
Speaker 18: plays Nick Davies, who's a journalist for The Guardian. He

1050
00:53:16,813 --> 00:53:19,173
Speaker 18: gets a tip off about the hacking and digs into

1051
00:53:19,213 --> 00:53:23,413
Speaker 18: this story and we see how the impact that the

1052
00:53:23,453 --> 00:53:25,933
Speaker 18: story has on his life. But there's also a second

1053
00:53:26,013 --> 00:53:29,693
Speaker 18: storyline that starts in the second episode, where Robert Carlile

1054
00:53:29,813 --> 00:53:33,693
Speaker 18: plays a police detective who's investigating a murder cold case.

1055
00:53:33,773 --> 00:53:36,653
Speaker 18: And the two storylines do feel quite different, but they're

1056
00:53:36,653 --> 00:53:39,653
Speaker 18: going to come together at some point. And this is

1057
00:53:39,693 --> 00:53:43,653
Speaker 18: written by Jack Thorne, who wrote Adolescents and Toxic Town,

1058
00:53:43,813 --> 00:53:47,533
Speaker 18: so we're in safe hands here and he's injected a

1059
00:53:47,533 --> 00:53:49,853
Speaker 18: lot of energy into the story. There's a lot of

1060
00:53:49,853 --> 00:53:52,333
Speaker 18: breaking the fourth wall and talking directly to the camera

1061
00:53:52,453 --> 00:53:56,373
Speaker 18: and some surreal elements, which makes what is quite a

1062
00:53:56,413 --> 00:54:01,013
Speaker 18: big and complex and detailed story feel quite alive. It's

1063
00:54:01,013 --> 00:54:04,933
Speaker 18: also got a great British cast, Toby Jones, Catherin, Kelly

1064
00:54:04,973 --> 00:54:07,693
Speaker 18: Eve Miles also star lots familiar faces if you watch

1065
00:54:07,693 --> 00:54:11,333
Speaker 18: a lot of British dramas, and a bit like mister

1066
00:54:11,373 --> 00:54:13,333
Speaker 18: Bates in the Post Office. This is one of those

1067
00:54:13,773 --> 00:54:16,733
Speaker 18: real life stories that will get under your skin and

1068
00:54:16,973 --> 00:54:20,413
Speaker 18: make you mad and shock you. And David Tennant just

1069
00:54:20,493 --> 00:54:23,493
Speaker 18: captures your attention straight away and just holds the whole

1070
00:54:23,493 --> 00:54:24,013
Speaker 18: thing together.

1071
00:54:24,493 --> 00:54:27,333
Speaker 3: Okay, that's the hack. It's on TVNZ Plus from tomorrow

1072
00:54:27,413 --> 00:54:29,773
Speaker 3: on Netflix. Death by Lightning.

1073
00:54:30,893 --> 00:54:33,373
Speaker 18: Yeah, this is another show based on a true story,

1074
00:54:33,413 --> 00:54:36,653
Speaker 18: but quite different and not a show I was expecting

1075
00:54:36,693 --> 00:54:39,133
Speaker 18: to enjoy it. Almost didn't talk about this one today,

1076
00:54:39,133 --> 00:54:41,213
Speaker 18: but I really liked this. I was really intrigued by it.

1077
00:54:41,493 --> 00:54:44,813
Speaker 18: This is an American historical drama set in the eighteen

1078
00:54:44,853 --> 00:54:48,213
Speaker 18: eighties and it's about two men. One is James Garfield,

1079
00:54:48,293 --> 00:54:52,293
Speaker 18: who rose from political obscurity to become the twentieth President

1080
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Speaker 18: of the United States, and another is Charles Gattow, who

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Speaker 18: went on to assassinate James Garfield. And I think why

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Speaker 18: I enjoyed this so much is because of the cast.

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Speaker 18: Matthew mcfatgen plays Charles Gattow, who is this shady figure

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Speaker 18: he's a liar and a gammer, and he decides he's

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Speaker 18: going to become Garfield's most trusted ally. And if you've

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Speaker 18: seen Matthew mcfagin in Succession, you'll know how good he

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00:55:14,973 --> 00:55:19,733
Speaker 18: is at playing deluded losers, and he's playing another one here.

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Speaker 18: I just wanted him to be in every scene. And

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Speaker 18: Michael Shannon plays James Garfield, who was only president for

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Speaker 18: a few months before he was shot. And you've also

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00:55:27,973 --> 00:55:30,533
Speaker 18: got all this political maneuvering going on in the background

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Speaker 18: and his party as well. With actors like Bradley Whitford

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Speaker 18: and Nick Offerman and Betty Gilpin. The cast is just

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Speaker 18: full of actors who know what they're doing and are

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Speaker 18: all just brilliant together. I came to this not knowing

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Speaker 18: anything about the story, and I'm really looking forward to

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Speaker 18: finishing it. There's only four episodes, but it's full of

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Speaker 18: style and energy and humor. There's a lot of really

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Speaker 18: great facial here in this as well. All these men

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Speaker 18: have really big, impressive beds, so they're really leaned into

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Speaker 18: the period detail of this. It's a great watch.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So that's Death by Lightning. It's on Netflix and

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00:56:05,773 --> 00:56:08,053
Speaker 3: on three now, playing Gracie Darling.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 18: This is our new Australian dark mystery series that stars

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Speaker 18: New Zealand actor Morgan O'Reilly, who is fantastic in this

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00:56:15,933 --> 00:56:18,893
Speaker 18: as she is in everything. She plays a woman called

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Speaker 18: Jonie who is haunted by the disappearance of her best friend.

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00:56:21,973 --> 00:56:24,693
Speaker 18: When they were teenagers, they were having a seance which

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Speaker 18: went wrong and her friend disappeared afterwards. Fast forward twenty

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Speaker 18: seven years and Joanie is now a psychologist living in

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Speaker 18: the city when there is another disappearance in the same place,

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Speaker 18: same family, same small town, involving another teenager who was

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Speaker 18: playing the game of having a seance, and so Joanie

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Speaker 18: decides to revisit the town and try and work out

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Speaker 18: what has happened and has to confront her past and

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Speaker 18: the loss of her friend. In a lot of ways,

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00:56:51,613 --> 00:56:53,893
Speaker 18: this feels quite familiar. You've got your small town, you've

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00:56:53,933 --> 00:56:56,613
Speaker 18: got lots of secrets, you've got a really compelling heroine.

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Speaker 18: But this is a bit more spookier and more haunting

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Speaker 18: than other Australian mysteries. It's not a horror, but it's

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Speaker 18: got a darker, more supernatural vibe to it. But bungeable,

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Speaker 18: very watchable, quite moody and beautifully shot as well.

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Speaker 3: Nice, okay, cool. So that's playing Gracie Darling. That is

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Speaker 3: on three now, Death by Lightnings on Netflix, and The

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00:57:16,213 --> 00:57:18,933
Speaker 3: Hack is on TV and Z Plus. From tomorrow, all

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00:57:18,973 --> 00:57:20,973
Speaker 3: of those shows will be up on the News talks

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Speaker 3: 'd Be website. Hey, thank you very much for your

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00:57:23,973 --> 00:57:28,013
Speaker 3: text and emails throughout the morning. We've had communications on

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00:57:28,093 --> 00:57:30,933
Speaker 3: all manner of subjects, as we always do on Saturday mornings.

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00:57:30,973 --> 00:57:33,613
Speaker 3: You know that we love variety on the show, and

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00:57:33,693 --> 00:57:36,893
Speaker 3: I've had several messages which I really appreciate, congratulating me

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00:57:37,093 --> 00:57:39,413
Speaker 3: on a new gig which you may or may not

1134
00:57:39,533 --> 00:57:42,173
Speaker 3: have seen, that I am set to take up very soon.

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00:57:42,253 --> 00:57:44,973
Speaker 3: So starting in a few weeks time, I'm going to

1136
00:57:44,973 --> 00:57:46,773
Speaker 3: be reading the news a couple of nights a week

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00:57:47,613 --> 00:57:50,173
Speaker 3: for TV one, so one News at six o'clock I

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00:57:50,213 --> 00:57:54,013
Speaker 3: will be reading. Mazz has took me a note to say, Jack, congratulations.

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00:57:54,093 --> 00:57:55,933
Speaker 3: I never really liked you at first, but like a

1140
00:57:55,973 --> 00:57:57,933
Speaker 3: fine wine, I think we're both matured, and I think

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00:57:57,933 --> 00:58:00,013
Speaker 3: we're both grown and to better people. Looking forward to

1142
00:58:00,013 --> 00:58:03,413
Speaker 3: seeing you on the box Bore. Thank you, muz. I'm

1143
00:58:03,413 --> 00:58:07,173
Speaker 3: going to choose to appreciate that message very much. And

1144
00:58:07,293 --> 00:58:09,733
Speaker 3: for those of you who have sent me a message

1145
00:58:09,773 --> 00:58:12,253
Speaker 3: wondering if it means I won't be doing the show

1146
00:58:12,693 --> 00:58:16,773
Speaker 3: next year, good news. It was really really important to

1147
00:58:16,813 --> 00:58:18,933
Speaker 3: me that I could still continue to be on Saturday

1148
00:58:19,013 --> 00:58:21,933
Speaker 3: mornings on News Talks HEB. I love doing the show.

1149
00:58:21,973 --> 00:58:25,373
Speaker 3: It's an absolute standout highlight for my week. So I'm

1150
00:58:25,413 --> 00:58:27,773
Speaker 3: going to continue doing this show. I'm going to continue

1151
00:58:27,813 --> 00:58:30,493
Speaker 3: hosting Q and A for TV one, and I'll be

1152
00:58:30,533 --> 00:58:32,173
Speaker 3: reading the news a couple of nights a week. I

1153
00:58:32,173 --> 00:58:35,013
Speaker 3: know it sounds crazy, but I have managed to kind

1154
00:58:35,053 --> 00:58:37,893
Speaker 3: of structure my working week so that I can fit

1155
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:40,853
Speaker 3: everything in and still have plenty of time with the family.

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00:58:40,933 --> 00:58:45,293
Speaker 3: In fact, I'm cautiously optimistic that I'll actually have more

1157
00:58:45,293 --> 00:58:48,173
Speaker 3: time with the family than I currently do, so prove

1158
00:58:48,213 --> 00:58:49,573
Speaker 3: of the puddings and the eating and all of that.

1159
00:58:49,693 --> 00:58:54,453
Speaker 3: But yeah, really pleased and really appreciate your messages.

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Speaker 2: Getting your weekends started.

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00:58:58,333 --> 00:59:01,893
Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack team on News Talks HEB.

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Speaker 19: Two days, it's going to be the day that they're

1163
00:59:07,133 --> 00:59:11,493
Speaker 19: gunna throw it back to you. By now, you should

1164
00:59:11,493 --> 00:59:16,253
Speaker 19: have somehow realize what you gotta do. I don't believe

1165
00:59:16,493 --> 00:59:24,373
Speaker 19: that anybody feels the way I do about you now?

1166
00:59:26,813 --> 00:59:30,013
Speaker 19: Backbea the words down the street that the fire in your.

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00:59:29,973 --> 00:59:30,773
Speaker 17: Heart is out.

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Speaker 19: I'm sure you've heard it of before, but you never

1169
00:59:35,053 --> 00:59:41,133
Speaker 19: really had it out. I don't believe that anybody feels.

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00:59:40,813 --> 00:59:45,533
Speaker 3: The way I do about you now A damp bound

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00:59:45,693 --> 00:59:50,013
Speaker 3: pick it down bound, but down man. All right, Oh,

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00:59:50,413 --> 00:59:52,493
Speaker 3: you've probably heard this a fear bit lately, but I'll

1173
00:59:52,493 --> 00:59:53,853
Speaker 3: tell you what. You're not hearing it as much as

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00:59:53,853 --> 00:59:56,893
Speaker 3: the Aussies are hearing it right now. This is runs

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Speaker 3: through some numbers, so forty one shows, seventeen cities, thirteen

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Speaker 3: countries over five months, and estimated four million people have

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Speaker 3: attended the Oasis World Tour. And those are just the

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Speaker 3: ones who are lucky enough to get tickets. Fourteen million

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Speaker 3: people from one hundred and fifty eight countries tried to

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Speaker 3: get their name on a seat, all with the hopes

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Speaker 3: that the Gallagher brothers would stay friendly, well, stay amicable,

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01:00:21,733 --> 01:00:24,333
Speaker 3: just long enough to make it to the stage in

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Speaker 3: their respective city, and that they have done. I mean,

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Speaker 3: there was a hell of a punt as far as

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Speaker 3: I was concerned. The moment they announced this tour, the

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Speaker 3: final gig of the reunion tour with Liam and Old

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01:00:35,053 --> 01:00:39,733
Speaker 3: Gallagher is tonight in see me. Our music correspondent is

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01:00:39,853 --> 01:00:43,453
Speaker 3: over there this weekend taking in the parker wearing crowds

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Speaker 3: and it's going to join us before midday for a

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Speaker 3: vibe check on one of the biggest world tours in

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Speaker 3: music history. It really is extraordinary. I had mates, like

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Speaker 3: a lads group who are there. They said to me,

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Speaker 3: We've got a ticket with your name on it if

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Speaker 3: you can make it, and I just I just thought

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Speaker 3: it might be a bridge too far, shimming up to

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Speaker 3: my better half and say, hey, I'm just gonna I'm

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Speaker 3: not going to pop over to Australia with the lads

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Speaker 3: to see Oasis. You'll be all good with the boys,

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Speaker 3: won't you just for a couple of nights. Yeah, maybe

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Speaker 3: not right now. Anyway, it does look incredible, So really

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Speaker 3: looking forward to catching up with our music correspondent but

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01:01:23,373 --> 01:01:25,933
Speaker 3: for midday to get his thoughts on the Oasis world

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01:01:25,933 --> 01:01:29,693
Speaker 3: to ahead of that final gig this evening in Sydney

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01:01:29,973 --> 01:01:32,693
Speaker 3: before eleven o'clock, we're in the garden. Our man in

1205
01:01:32,733 --> 01:01:35,133
Speaker 3: the garden has his tips on feeding your plants the

1206
01:01:35,173 --> 01:01:37,253
Speaker 3: right stuff at this time of year is the weather

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Speaker 3: starts to heat up. Our textberts in in a couple

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Speaker 3: of minutes. Right now, it's twenty six to eleven.

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Speaker 2: The headlines and the hard questions. It's the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 20: Is Trent Tariff's a Supreme Court and the potential fallout

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Speaker 20: if you can't convince the justices. Bill Rynch is a

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Speaker 20: former United States Undersecretary for Commas for Industry and Security.

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Speaker 20: Would you expect the Supreme Court to rule against the administration?

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Speaker 15: Hard to tell.

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Speaker 3: My current thinking is yes, they probably will go against

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Speaker 3: the president, either five to four or maybe six to three.

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Speaker 20: Okay, if they do, they are refunds going to be

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Speaker 20: the outworking or is that not real?

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Speaker 21: Well, under the law they should be provided the administration

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Speaker 21: can make it hard or easy.

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Speaker 2: Trump may not want to give them money back, but

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Speaker 2: if the.

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Speaker 9: Justice's rule that the terrorists were illegally collected, they he'll

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Speaker 9: have to give them back back.

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Speaker 20: Monday from six am, the Mike Hosking Breakfast with a

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Speaker 20: Vida Newstalk ZB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three minutes to eleven, non news talks. dB Elon

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Speaker 3: Musk is on track to become the world's first trillionaire.

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Speaker 3: That's one thousand billions and billions, of course, being one

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Speaker 3: thousand millions, it's extraordinary, isn't it. So Tesla's shareholders have

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Speaker 3: overwhelmingly approved his remarkable pay package. Paul stan House is

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Speaker 3: our text bird. He's here with the details.

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Speaker 7: Paul.

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Speaker 3: It's a pretty penny, it really is.

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Speaker 22: I mean, it's a similar number that you must have

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Speaker 22: been talking with the TVZ, wasn't it.

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Speaker 3: Jack famously famously you know, the New Zealand media, famously

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Speaker 3: wealthy at the moment, and a famously good financial position.

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01:03:05,733 --> 01:03:09,813
Speaker 3: So yes, you can imagine. Yeah, okay, good, good to know.

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Speaker 22: No, it's a crazy number, isn't it, Because it just

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01:03:14,413 --> 01:03:16,133
Speaker 22: it's it's unimaginable.

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Speaker 15: The guy's already worth five.

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Speaker 22: Hundred million dollars and this is probably going to be

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01:03:21,613 --> 01:03:23,373
Speaker 22: the thing that takes them to that trillion.

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01:03:23,613 --> 01:03:24,453
Speaker 15: I mean, he's got a bunch of.

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01:03:24,453 --> 01:03:26,013
Speaker 22: Other things in the works that will help take him

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01:03:26,013 --> 01:03:29,173
Speaker 22: there too, But this pay package alone, this pay package

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01:03:29,453 --> 01:03:31,253
Speaker 22: is worth a trillion.

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01:03:30,853 --> 01:03:32,333
Speaker 15: Dollars by itself.

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Speaker 22: He needs to do a lot though, in order for

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Speaker 22: him to get that trillion dollars, and we're talking delivering

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Speaker 22: twenty million Tesla vehicles and a million robots. He has

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Speaker 22: to get ten million subscriptions to Tesla's full driving car features.

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Speaker 22: He has to get a million self driving robotaxis into

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Speaker 22: commercial operation. He's got to get four hundred billion dollars

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Speaker 22: in core profit for the company. And this is the

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Speaker 22: big one. He has to raise the valuation of the

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Speaker 22: company from his current one point four trillion dollars to

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Speaker 22: eight point five trillion dollars.

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Speaker 15: So not exactly an easy.

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Speaker 3: Task, no, no, okay, So yeah, there are a lot

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Speaker 3: of expectations. Nevertheless, if he pulls that off, he will.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it is just a fantastical kind of sum,

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Speaker 3: isn't it that you know that Networth? Hey, Australia is

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01:04:23,213 --> 01:04:27,333
Speaker 3: going to force the big streamers to make Australian content.

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Speaker 3: Australia has been kind of out there and trying to

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Speaker 3: push back against some of the big digital companies of

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Speaker 3: the age. But this is an interesting move.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, big time.

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Speaker 22: They've been big on a bunch of these kind of things.

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Speaker 22: As you say, they really went toe to toe with

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Speaker 22: them about the newspapers as well and the access to

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01:04:45,013 --> 01:04:48,133
Speaker 22: news content and paying publishers too. And so this one

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01:04:48,253 --> 01:04:51,213
Speaker 22: is going to be focused on the biggest streamers around.

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Speaker 22: So if you just happen to create a streaming service

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Speaker 22: and trying to get off the ground.

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Speaker 15: You don't have to worry about this, not that we're

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01:04:57,013 --> 01:04:58,053
Speaker 15: doing that ourselves.

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Speaker 22: But if you're the likes of the netflixes and the

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Speaker 22: Disney pluses and the Amazon Prime Videos, and you have

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Speaker 22: more than a million Australian subscribers, then you will be

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01:05:08,373 --> 01:05:10,173
Speaker 22: part of this law or be looked at as part

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Speaker 22: of this law.

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Speaker 15: And you need to spend at least ten percent.

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Speaker 22: Of all of the money that you're currently spending in

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Speaker 22: Australia on content, or seven point five percent of all

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Speaker 22: the revenue you bring in from your astranding customers, whicheveryone

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Speaker 22: is greater, and that can be then spent on dramas,

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Speaker 22: children's TV, documentary arts, educational programs. There's no stipulation on

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Speaker 22: what percentage that needs to be. You just have to

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Speaker 22: actually spend the money. And it isn't the first time

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Speaker 22: this bill was actually brought about. Actually, Jack the Osies

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Speaker 22: wanted to do this back in twenty twenty four, but

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Speaker 22: they were a little concerned about the US presidential election

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Speaker 22: on what might happen there, and then they later feared

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Speaker 22: that Donald Trump could use it as part of their

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Speaker 22: tariff negotiations. He has been pretty hot on Hollywood foreign

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Speaker 22: films getting tariffs.

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Speaker 15: I think you put one hundred.

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Speaker 22: Percent on non Hollywood made or non American made, you

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Speaker 22: are films in the United States. So I'm sure that

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Speaker 22: this was part of their calculation.

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Speaker 23: But it's a really interesting move, especially because there are

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Speaker 23: if you think about the New Zealand media landscape, there

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01:06:17,133 --> 01:06:22,093
Speaker 23: are already provisions around, you know, local content and supporting

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Speaker 23: local content that Australia is taking to that next step.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I was fascinating. Hey, thanks so much, Paul. Paul

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Speaker 3: Standhouse is our expert with us this morning before eleven.

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Speaker 3: We're in the garden right now. It is nineteen minutes

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Speaker 3: to eleven. Our personal finance expert with a word of warning. Next.

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Speaker 1: No better way to kick off your weekend than with Jack.

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Speaker 1: Saturday Morning with Jack, Team News talks at me.

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Speaker 3: The weather is getting warmer, the strawberries are getting jiggled,

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01:06:54,653 --> 01:06:57,613
Speaker 3: and what seven or eight weeks from Christmas, which means

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Speaker 3: that spending season is fast approaching, and that too means

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Speaker 3: that the allure of credit cards for many is stronger

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Speaker 3: than ever. Our personal finance expert, Lisa Dudson is here

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Speaker 3: with us this morning with a bit of a word

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Speaker 3: of warning, Lisa at this time of year.

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Speaker 24: Morning, Jack, that's that doesn't sound like we're off to a.

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01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:20,093
Speaker 3: Good start, as you know, here to scold us. You're

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Speaker 3: just here to just to gently nudge us in the

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Speaker 3: right direction towards good decisions.

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Speaker 24: Absolutely, so, definitely a tough time a year, right because

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Speaker 24: I guess, but particularly after the last couple of years,

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Speaker 24: a lot of us have been doing it fairly tough,

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Speaker 24: and you know, the bank accounts are probably a little

1329
01:07:35,733 --> 01:07:37,733
Speaker 24: bit on the on the skinny side at the moment,

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Speaker 24: and I guess, you know, there is that temptation to

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Speaker 24: be getting out there and buying things for your holiday

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Speaker 24: break and for Christmas Day and for gifts, and then

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Speaker 24: wake up in January and I tink your credit card

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Speaker 24: bill and have a bit.

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Speaker 6: Of a shock.

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Speaker 24: So I was trying to find a bit of a

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Speaker 24: balance to that, and I think that probably the best

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Speaker 24: way to do that is to give yourself a budget

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01:07:56,973 --> 01:07:59,053
Speaker 24: and do a bit of planning on it, because I

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01:07:59,053 --> 01:08:00,373
Speaker 24: think what a lot of us do is we're getting

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01:08:00,373 --> 01:08:03,053
Speaker 24: a bit of a flat and we run around, you know,

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Speaker 24: and I'm all just a few days for Christmas, think

1343
01:08:05,093 --> 01:08:06,533
Speaker 24: oh my gosh, you know what am I going to buy?

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01:08:06,613 --> 01:08:09,853
Speaker 24: And you know you're often overspend and not think things through.

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Speaker 24: So it's just you know, it's a bit painful. I

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01:08:12,453 --> 01:08:14,293
Speaker 24: get it, you know, but just sitting down and going, well,

1347
01:08:14,333 --> 01:08:17,933
Speaker 24: what can I for forward? And you know, think about

1348
01:08:17,933 --> 01:08:20,373
Speaker 24: who I need to buy for and what makes sense.

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01:08:20,453 --> 01:08:23,013
Speaker 24: And the other really good thing that I think is

1350
01:08:23,093 --> 01:08:25,613
Speaker 24: interesting is we buy a lot of stuff for people

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01:08:26,053 --> 01:08:28,013
Speaker 24: that they don't really need or they don't really want,

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Speaker 24: because we feel that we need to give them a gift.

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Speaker 24: But what about a gift of spending time with them,

1354
01:08:33,733 --> 01:08:36,973
Speaker 24: a gift of you know, babysitting so you know they

1355
01:08:36,973 --> 01:08:39,693
Speaker 24: can get out with their partner. You know, what about

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01:08:40,253 --> 01:08:43,773
Speaker 24: consolidating gifts within a family so you just find one

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Speaker 24: person family. So there's a lot of smart ways that

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01:08:45,693 --> 01:08:48,293
Speaker 24: you can cut down, you know, your expenditure at this

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Speaker 24: time of the.

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Speaker 3: Year absolutely, because honestly, I reckon that people are generally

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Speaker 3: on the same page with that. Like even in our family,

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Speaker 3: for example, we just go like, for because there are

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01:08:58,933 --> 01:09:00,893
Speaker 3: increasing numbers of kids, right, and so we just say

1364
01:09:00,933 --> 01:09:03,493
Speaker 3: instead of all the auntles, uncles and aunts giving you

1365
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Speaker 3: a gift separately, or just do it like a combined

1366
01:09:06,453 --> 01:09:08,733
Speaker 3: in something and it'll be like a board game or

1367
01:09:08,733 --> 01:09:10,533
Speaker 3: something like that that everyone can play, you know, which

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01:09:10,613 --> 01:09:11,293
Speaker 3: kind of makes sense.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, totally. And then you get something that's probably a

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01:09:13,933 --> 01:09:16,413
Speaker 24: little bit more useful, and then you know it's part

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Speaker 24: of me the GREENI and they says, you know, all

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Speaker 24: these toys that you know, the kids play for five

1373
01:09:21,013 --> 01:09:23,893
Speaker 24: minute flat and then they landfall exactly. I don't think

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01:09:23,893 --> 01:09:29,013
Speaker 24: it's particularly helpful either, but I think it. But they

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01:09:29,093 --> 01:09:31,253
Speaker 24: also you know, you would have had a discussion in

1376
01:09:31,293 --> 01:09:34,253
Speaker 24: your family and planned for that, right, So it comes

1377
01:09:34,293 --> 01:09:37,293
Speaker 24: back to that planning and actually being organized, so you

1378
01:09:37,533 --> 01:09:39,493
Speaker 24: know you're starting to deal with it now and not

1379
01:09:39,813 --> 01:09:40,773
Speaker 24: week for Christmas.

1380
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So for credit cards, that means, I mean, making

1381
01:09:44,733 --> 01:09:46,453
Speaker 3: a decision like that will obviously mean a little less

1382
01:09:46,453 --> 01:09:48,533
Speaker 3: pressure on your credit card than you might otherwise have.

1383
01:09:49,253 --> 01:09:52,653
Speaker 3: But what are the kinds of things to just keep

1384
01:09:52,693 --> 01:09:55,533
Speaker 3: an eye on heading into the silly spending season.

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Speaker 24: Well, it's interesting with credit cards because I think the

1386
01:09:58,013 --> 01:10:00,213
Speaker 24: first critic had came out by ANX and something like

1387
01:10:00,333 --> 01:10:02,253
Speaker 24: nineteen eight off the top of my head, and it

1388
01:10:02,333 --> 01:10:05,293
Speaker 24: was called your flexible friend, right, and the irian of

1389
01:10:05,293 --> 01:10:08,893
Speaker 24: that kind of a news and you know, because they're

1390
01:10:08,893 --> 01:10:11,093
Speaker 24: awesome because they are super flexible, but on the other

1391
01:10:11,173 --> 01:10:13,973
Speaker 24: side of it, they're pretty painful when you don't have

1392
01:10:14,093 --> 01:10:15,773
Speaker 24: the money to pay for it or you're paying a

1393
01:10:15,813 --> 01:10:19,773
Speaker 24: twenty percent interest on it. And I think, you know it,

1394
01:10:19,973 --> 01:10:21,813
Speaker 24: possibly a better way of dealing it with it is

1395
01:10:21,853 --> 01:10:24,333
Speaker 24: actually saying, okay, well, my budget's five hundred dollars. Pick

1396
01:10:24,333 --> 01:10:26,493
Speaker 24: a number, and you go to the ATM and you

1397
01:10:26,533 --> 01:10:29,053
Speaker 24: take out five hundred dollars. It's in cash if you can,

1398
01:10:29,573 --> 01:10:32,173
Speaker 24: and then you know you've got you got the tangible

1399
01:10:32,213 --> 01:10:35,293
Speaker 24: cash to spend and sometimes a get with more challenging

1400
01:10:35,293 --> 01:10:37,453
Speaker 24: spending it today than what it used to be with

1401
01:10:37,573 --> 01:10:41,013
Speaker 24: everyone using cards or use a debit card, because there

1402
01:10:41,093 --> 01:10:43,933
Speaker 24: is a lot of research that says that if you

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01:10:44,053 --> 01:10:47,453
Speaker 24: use cash as opposed to credit, you spend about twenty

1404
01:10:47,453 --> 01:10:48,333
Speaker 24: percent less.

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01:10:48,813 --> 01:10:51,853
Speaker 3: Right, that's interesting, Ah, that's that's a lot less. That

1406
01:10:51,973 --> 01:10:53,293
Speaker 3: is like twenty percent.

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01:10:53,573 --> 01:10:56,093
Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, well, but you know you take that over

1408
01:10:56,133 --> 01:10:58,773
Speaker 24: the course of a year any more subsequently many years.

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01:10:58,773 --> 01:11:01,333
Speaker 24: It's well, because you think about it. When it's cash,

1410
01:11:01,373 --> 01:11:04,533
Speaker 24: it's like there's a physicality to it. Right, and it's

1411
01:11:04,533 --> 01:11:07,013
Speaker 24: in your in your wallet whereas you happening, and these

1412
01:11:07,093 --> 01:11:08,213
Speaker 24: days literally is.

1413
01:11:08,213 --> 01:11:11,733
Speaker 3: A tap, right, so yeah, it's increasingly frictionless.

1414
01:11:12,733 --> 01:11:15,133
Speaker 24: Yes, yes, that's right. And then you know that has

1415
01:11:15,173 --> 01:11:16,893
Speaker 24: a has a cost at the end of the day,

1416
01:11:16,933 --> 01:11:20,213
Speaker 24: so you know, taking out cash, I think is a

1417
01:11:20,253 --> 01:11:24,813
Speaker 24: really great way to manage it if you can do that.

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01:11:25,173 --> 01:11:29,453
Speaker 24: But it really it just comes down to, you know, planning. Yeah,

1419
01:11:29,893 --> 01:11:31,573
Speaker 24: you know, it's that kind of it's that kind of

1420
01:11:31,573 --> 01:11:34,173
Speaker 24: boring word. Really at the end of the day, planning, budgeting,

1421
01:11:34,253 --> 01:11:37,093
Speaker 24: being organized will just save yourself a lot of grief

1422
01:11:37,653 --> 01:11:43,093
Speaker 24: in January. And then remembering that most people value time,

1423
01:11:44,493 --> 01:11:49,253
Speaker 24: you know, gifts that don't need to be cost money, experience, experience, Yeah,

1424
01:11:49,333 --> 01:11:51,453
Speaker 24: all that stuff is way more valuable than a lot

1425
01:11:51,453 --> 01:11:53,853
Speaker 24: of the rubbish that we buy for each other.

1426
01:11:54,053 --> 01:11:55,653
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, great advice.

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01:11:55,693 --> 01:11:57,173
Speaker 24: So those are those are my tips?

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01:11:57,453 --> 01:11:59,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. It makes a lot of sense. Thank

1429
01:11:59,533 --> 01:12:01,293
Speaker 3: you they saying good to get a nice and nearly too,

1430
01:12:01,493 --> 01:12:04,333
Speaker 3: just because what we should do is we should just

1431
01:12:04,573 --> 01:12:06,293
Speaker 3: we should just clip this up and then repeat it

1432
01:12:06,373 --> 01:12:10,293
Speaker 3: every three weeks leading up to Christmas, because it's especially

1433
01:12:10,293 --> 01:12:12,293
Speaker 3: for those people who are freaking out four days before

1434
01:12:12,333 --> 01:12:14,373
Speaker 3: Christmas and are trying to throw money at problems. I

1435
01:12:14,373 --> 01:12:18,533
Speaker 3: think it's very very good advice. Lisa Dudson, our personal

1436
01:12:18,573 --> 01:12:20,973
Speaker 3: finance expert, with us this morning. I'll get tomorrow your

1437
01:12:20,973 --> 01:12:22,933
Speaker 3: feedback in a couple of minutes after eleven o'clock on

1438
01:12:22,973 --> 01:12:25,693
Speaker 3: News Talks EDB, as well as taking you to Sydney

1439
01:12:25,733 --> 01:12:29,733
Speaker 3: ahead of the final Oasis gig on their Incredible World tour.

1440
01:12:30,013 --> 01:12:32,093
Speaker 3: Our travel correspondent is going to be with us and

1441
01:12:32,133 --> 01:12:35,653
Speaker 3: he's got a few fresh takes in Singapore that he's

1442
01:12:35,693 --> 01:12:38,213
Speaker 3: going to share. We're in the garden next though eleven

1443
01:12:38,213 --> 01:12:39,733
Speaker 3: to eleven on newsdalgs EDB.

1444
01:12:40,253 --> 01:12:43,693
Speaker 1: Gardening with still Sharp's battery system kits get a second

1445
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Speaker 1: battery half price.

1446
01:12:45,573 --> 01:12:48,413
Speaker 3: A man in the garden is rude. Climb passed rude.

1447
01:12:48,453 --> 01:12:51,213
Speaker 3: I started the show this morning by explaining that I've

1448
01:12:51,213 --> 01:12:53,573
Speaker 3: just been jiggling my strawberries because the strawberries are my

1449
01:12:53,613 --> 01:12:56,413
Speaker 3: place are looking excellent right now. But I've been going

1450
01:12:56,453 --> 01:12:58,653
Speaker 3: out each morning just as I leave the house, and

1451
01:12:59,213 --> 01:13:02,133
Speaker 3: you know, just repositioning them so that they don't get

1452
01:13:02,173 --> 01:13:03,973
Speaker 3: too much contact with the ground or anything. I've got

1453
01:13:04,013 --> 01:13:06,253
Speaker 3: straw underneath them, but just in case there's any moisture

1454
01:13:06,253 --> 01:13:07,933
Speaker 3: andthing like that. So I've been looking for a new

1455
01:13:08,053 --> 01:13:11,773
Speaker 3: term because I think jiggling strawberries doesn't quite work. So

1456
01:13:11,853 --> 01:13:13,413
Speaker 3: Vicky sent me a note. She said it could be

1457
01:13:13,453 --> 01:13:17,693
Speaker 3: strawberry jostling, which I quite like, Joslyn, Yeah, or just

1458
01:13:17,773 --> 01:13:20,693
Speaker 3: turning your strawberries. Do we say? Is there is there

1459
01:13:20,733 --> 01:13:23,133
Speaker 3: an official term in the gardening world.

1460
01:13:23,853 --> 01:13:27,373
Speaker 12: Not that I know of, but you you've got it right.

1461
01:13:27,653 --> 01:13:29,573
Speaker 12: What I would say is I would put it onto

1462
01:13:30,013 --> 01:13:34,093
Speaker 12: on dry what do you call it? Grass clippings or

1463
01:13:34,133 --> 01:13:36,773
Speaker 12: something like that, So do not have to be in

1464
01:13:36,813 --> 01:13:38,853
Speaker 12: contact with the moist soil.

1465
01:13:39,373 --> 01:13:41,653
Speaker 3: No, So I've got I've got pea straw underneath it.

1466
01:13:42,013 --> 01:13:45,293
Speaker 3: I've put strawberry that doesn't ever contact. Yes, yes, but

1467
01:13:45,333 --> 01:13:47,453
Speaker 3: it's still I just am kind of paranoid about it.

1468
01:13:47,453 --> 01:13:48,813
Speaker 3: So I still go out there and just, you know,

1469
01:13:48,973 --> 01:13:50,613
Speaker 3: just turn them ever so slightly, you know.

1470
01:13:50,813 --> 01:13:53,093
Speaker 12: Well, then your word would be pea strawing.

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01:13:53,573 --> 01:13:59,213
Speaker 3: Yes, maybe peace strawing, peace strawing my strawberries, yeah, peas strawberry.

1472
01:13:59,933 --> 01:14:02,933
Speaker 3: I don't know anyway, it is nice to see them.

1473
01:14:02,933 --> 01:14:04,733
Speaker 3: I'm not sure how they are your places yet, but

1474
01:14:04,733 --> 01:14:08,493
Speaker 3: we've had such hot weather in Auckland over the last

1475
01:14:08,493 --> 01:14:10,253
Speaker 3: couple of weeks that I think they're just just the

1476
01:14:10,293 --> 01:14:12,333
Speaker 3: first strawberries of the season, just coming through.

1477
01:14:13,373 --> 01:14:16,973
Speaker 12: Yeah, be careful though, don't get too hot, you know

1478
01:14:17,013 --> 01:14:19,453
Speaker 12: what I mean, if you can handle that. But also

1479
01:14:19,613 --> 01:14:21,733
Speaker 12: the point is that you need to have them literally

1480
01:14:21,773 --> 01:14:24,533
Speaker 12: in a drier condition. Then, so the peace drawing is

1481
01:14:24,533 --> 01:14:25,253
Speaker 12: not a bad idea.

1482
01:14:25,453 --> 01:14:29,173
Speaker 3: Yeah, very good. Anyway, you're focusing on feeding plants the

1483
01:14:29,253 --> 01:14:31,253
Speaker 3: right stuff at this time of year, because.

1484
01:14:31,813 --> 01:14:34,413
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, first of all, I don't like the word

1485
01:14:34,453 --> 01:14:36,773
Speaker 12: feeding because you don't feed your plants. I mean, gosh,

1486
01:14:36,813 --> 01:14:39,093
Speaker 12: who goes out into the forest and feeds the trees?

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Speaker 7: You know?

1488
01:14:40,733 --> 01:14:42,653
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the whole point. So the point.

1489
01:14:42,733 --> 01:14:44,373
Speaker 12: But then again I get a lot of people on

1490
01:14:44,453 --> 01:14:47,653
Speaker 12: talkback too that are complaining that there's not enough fruits

1491
01:14:47,653 --> 01:14:50,973
Speaker 12: on the trees and all that, and how many breakfasts

1492
01:14:51,013 --> 01:14:54,853
Speaker 12: do you have every springtime and so, and it's.

1493
01:14:54,853 --> 01:14:55,933
Speaker 2: Exactly like that.

1494
01:14:56,213 --> 01:15:01,373
Speaker 12: So let's let's get into that. The plants they feed themselves,

1495
01:15:01,533 --> 01:15:04,133
Speaker 12: that's what they do through photosynthesis, as we all know.

1496
01:15:04,573 --> 01:15:07,253
Speaker 12: That's but what they do is that pick up all

1497
01:15:07,293 --> 01:15:10,693
Speaker 12: the elements that the soil has. So yes, sometimes you

1498
01:15:10,853 --> 01:15:15,013
Speaker 12: need to put some NPK into the soil depending on

1499
01:15:15,053 --> 01:15:19,013
Speaker 12: what you're growing, of course, And basically what you're doing

1500
01:15:19,093 --> 01:15:21,613
Speaker 12: is you make sure that there is enough of this

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01:15:21,733 --> 01:15:24,533
Speaker 12: stuff that the roots can pick up. That's what it's about.

1502
01:15:25,093 --> 01:15:25,653
Speaker 15: That's the guts.

1503
01:15:26,573 --> 01:15:28,493
Speaker 2: So there's three types of.

1504
01:15:28,653 --> 01:15:30,973
Speaker 15: Some fertilizers that I could talk about.

1505
01:15:31,053 --> 01:15:32,133
Speaker 6: You know, generally.

1506
01:15:31,773 --> 01:15:36,613
Speaker 12: Speaking, we talk about general fertilizer, which is NPK and

1507
01:15:36,973 --> 01:15:41,413
Speaker 12: more or less the same sort of matter of numbers

1508
01:15:41,853 --> 01:15:45,613
Speaker 12: NPK seven three six or twelve, four thirteen, whatever, But

1509
01:15:45,693 --> 01:15:48,893
Speaker 12: it's always to do with a nice balance. But if

1510
01:15:49,533 --> 01:15:54,693
Speaker 12: you talk about N, P and K, the N is

1511
01:15:54,733 --> 01:15:58,893
Speaker 12: for making grass or green, you know, green material, the

1512
01:15:58,973 --> 01:16:01,893
Speaker 12: P is for the root zone and health of the plant,

1513
01:16:02,293 --> 01:16:06,053
Speaker 12: and the K is for potash, which is for basically

1514
01:16:06,093 --> 01:16:11,973
Speaker 12: for your flowers and your fruit. So all these three

1515
01:16:12,013 --> 01:16:17,213
Speaker 12: different things need a slightly different NPK ratio. I've written

1516
01:16:17,213 --> 01:16:21,453
Speaker 12: it down the on Libby's email thing. You can find

1517
01:16:21,453 --> 01:16:25,133
Speaker 12: it in there. Potatoes has more K, so more in

1518
01:16:25,173 --> 01:16:29,013
Speaker 12: the middle, tomatoes mere at the end. That's a rose fertilizers,

1519
01:16:29,053 --> 01:16:31,173
Speaker 12: all that sort of stuff, And this is how you

1520
01:16:31,253 --> 01:16:34,373
Speaker 12: go on. But what I tend to do is I

1521
01:16:34,493 --> 01:16:38,533
Speaker 12: go for general fertilizer quite often. I use seaweete or

1522
01:16:38,573 --> 01:16:40,653
Speaker 12: seafood soop some that when forget stuff.

1523
01:16:41,213 --> 01:16:42,213
Speaker 15: But I use it.

1524
01:16:42,173 --> 01:16:45,293
Speaker 12: In a really light manner when I water the plants

1525
01:16:45,293 --> 01:16:48,013
Speaker 12: in the tunnel house. And then what you do is

1526
01:16:48,173 --> 01:16:51,613
Speaker 12: you add a little bit of potash if you want fruit,

1527
01:16:52,213 --> 01:16:55,213
Speaker 12: you add a little bit of k if you want roots,

1528
01:16:55,373 --> 01:16:59,573
Speaker 12: and a little bit of n if you want green material.

1529
01:16:59,973 --> 01:17:04,053
Speaker 12: You know, that's that is. It's a very simple technique,

1530
01:17:04,133 --> 01:17:06,293
Speaker 12: it is, and that helps you out.

1531
01:17:06,453 --> 01:17:08,493
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that sounds that sounds great. So I've been

1532
01:17:08,573 --> 01:17:12,253
Speaker 3: using a lot of a lot of seaweed at home. Yeah,

1533
01:17:12,413 --> 01:17:14,133
Speaker 3: not a lot. You know, you've got to be pretty

1534
01:17:14,133 --> 01:17:18,933
Speaker 3: potent that stuff. Ah, but you know, absolut I know,

1535
01:17:19,093 --> 01:17:21,013
Speaker 3: but it's it is tempting to I still have that.

1536
01:17:21,133 --> 01:17:22,773
Speaker 3: I still I'm kind of like a child, you know,

1537
01:17:22,813 --> 01:17:25,973
Speaker 3: I'm like more is more, But yeah, yeah no, but

1538
01:17:26,293 --> 01:17:28,493
Speaker 3: I think it's already made quite a big difference at

1539
01:17:28,493 --> 01:17:30,973
Speaker 3: our place. So thank you very much for that route.

1540
01:17:31,053 --> 01:17:32,533
Speaker 3: We'll make sure all of your tips are up on

1541
01:17:32,573 --> 01:17:35,333
Speaker 3: the news talks he'd be website and you can access

1542
01:17:35,373 --> 01:17:38,333
Speaker 3: those very shortly. Oh, here you go, Jack. The term

1543
01:17:38,373 --> 01:17:42,853
Speaker 3: is to shuggle strawberries, says Rochelle muzz is Fondle. Now,

1544
01:17:42,853 --> 01:17:47,093
Speaker 3: I'm not too sure that's right necessarily. Yeah, yeah, it

1545
01:17:47,213 --> 01:17:50,333
Speaker 3: depends what you do you muzz you do you After

1546
01:17:50,413 --> 01:17:52,373
Speaker 3: eleven o'clock on News Dogs, he'd be, we'll take you

1547
01:17:52,413 --> 01:17:54,253
Speaker 3: to Singapore and our travel single. We'll take you to

1548
01:17:54,293 --> 01:17:57,613
Speaker 3: Sydney for the final Oasis gig. It's almost news time

1549
01:17:57,653 --> 01:18:01,853
Speaker 3: though it's Saturday morning. I'm Jack Tame. This is News Talks.

1550
01:18:01,893 --> 01:18:02,293
Speaker 4: He'd be.

1551
01:18:05,853 --> 01:18:09,693
Speaker 1: Saturday morning with Jack team keeping the conversation going through

1552
01:18:09,733 --> 01:18:11,453
Speaker 1: the weekend News Talks EDB.

1553
01:18:36,133 --> 01:18:39,213
Speaker 3: Good morning, you're with Jack Taim on News Talks EDB

1554
01:18:39,653 --> 01:18:42,733
Speaker 3: through to twelve o'clock midday today. If you're just turning

1555
01:18:42,813 --> 01:18:46,173
Speaker 3: us on, it is great to have your company. I'm

1556
01:18:46,213 --> 01:18:49,053
Speaker 3: counting down the ours to the first derby of the

1557
01:18:49,093 --> 01:18:52,733
Speaker 3: New A League season, Aukland f C versus Wellington Phoenix tonight.

1558
01:18:52,853 --> 01:18:56,413
Speaker 3: So they had three derbis last year. AFC came out

1559
01:18:56,413 --> 01:18:59,533
Speaker 3: on top on all three games. So I reckon. I

1560
01:18:59,573 --> 01:19:02,933
Speaker 3: don't know. I'm sure a statistician would say that there's

1561
01:19:02,933 --> 01:19:04,733
Speaker 3: no way to do things, but I reckon the Phoenix

1562
01:19:04,773 --> 01:19:06,893
Speaker 3: could be due to a vicary or at the very

1563
01:19:06,973 --> 01:19:10,853
Speaker 3: least a better result right. And it's funny because as

1564
01:19:10,893 --> 01:19:13,133
Speaker 3: a sports fan and as a football fan, you do

1565
01:19:13,213 --> 01:19:18,053
Speaker 3: want to drum up a bit of not bad blood necessarily,

1566
01:19:18,093 --> 01:19:21,493
Speaker 3: but you want to lean into a derby's rivalry. But

1567
01:19:21,533 --> 01:19:24,053
Speaker 3: I still feel a little bit funny about the whole

1568
01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:26,213
Speaker 3: thing because of course I'm an orkn FC fan, have

1569
01:19:26,333 --> 01:19:28,053
Speaker 3: been from day one, was there for the first game,

1570
01:19:28,173 --> 01:19:32,053
Speaker 3: Absolutely love it. But I have a real affinity for

1571
01:19:32,093 --> 01:19:34,493
Speaker 3: the Wellington Phoenix. I mean, they have been there for

1572
01:19:34,613 --> 01:19:38,133
Speaker 3: years doing the muhy and you know, they have for

1573
01:19:38,173 --> 01:19:40,453
Speaker 3: the longest time been the only New Zealand team in

1574
01:19:40,493 --> 01:19:42,453
Speaker 3: the A League, and so it feels weird to be

1575
01:19:42,573 --> 01:19:45,493
Speaker 3: chairing against them. I love some of the individual players

1576
01:19:45,933 --> 01:19:48,973
Speaker 3: in the Phoenix, So I yeah, still feel like I

1577
01:19:49,013 --> 01:19:52,893
Speaker 3: can't lean into the derby with a sense of malice.

1578
01:19:53,293 --> 01:19:55,573
Speaker 3: I can lean into it with a sense of rivalry shore,

1579
01:19:55,613 --> 01:19:58,493
Speaker 3: but there's not the malice there for me that might

1580
01:19:58,533 --> 01:20:01,653
Speaker 3: exist in some other derbies around the world. Anyway, We'll

1581
01:20:01,693 --> 01:20:03,653
Speaker 3: take you to Wellington before mid day to day to

1582
01:20:03,653 --> 01:20:07,133
Speaker 3: see how conditions are looking ahead of the This evening

1583
01:20:07,173 --> 01:20:10,733
Speaker 3: before midday as well, we're in Sydney. Oasis are playing

1584
01:20:10,773 --> 01:20:14,173
Speaker 3: their final gig of their incredible world tour. It is

1585
01:20:14,293 --> 01:20:18,133
Speaker 3: just it has broken all manner of records. I would

1586
01:20:18,133 --> 01:20:20,173
Speaker 3: love to I would love to see the surge pricing

1587
01:20:20,213 --> 01:20:22,613
Speaker 3: actually for a fas across the ditch for this weekend

1588
01:20:22,693 --> 01:20:25,253
Speaker 3: because so many key Wes have headed over to Sydney

1589
01:20:25,293 --> 01:20:29,213
Speaker 3: or Melbourne to see Oasis perform. Our music reviewer is there.

1590
01:20:29,253 --> 01:20:31,413
Speaker 3: He's going to the last show tonight, so he'll give

1591
01:20:31,453 --> 01:20:33,413
Speaker 3: us a bit of a vibe check on that. Right now,

1592
01:20:33,453 --> 01:20:36,973
Speaker 3: it's nine minutes past eleven, Jack trying to catch up

1593
01:20:37,013 --> 01:20:40,613
Speaker 3: with CLINICLESE psychologist Google Sutherland, who is with us this morning. Doogle,

1594
01:20:40,613 --> 01:20:42,093
Speaker 3: you didn't get tickets to Oasis.

1595
01:20:42,933 --> 01:20:44,213
Speaker 6: Oh no, I didn't.

1596
01:20:44,253 --> 01:20:46,293
Speaker 7: I didn't even didn't even think about it.

1597
01:20:46,333 --> 01:20:48,453
Speaker 16: I wasn't the biggest Oasis fan. I've got to be

1598
01:20:48,453 --> 01:20:50,613
Speaker 16: honest with you. I appreciate him, but I didn't. So

1599
01:20:50,893 --> 01:20:52,653
Speaker 16: I think I was just a little bit. I just

1600
01:20:52,773 --> 01:20:53,693
Speaker 16: missed their vibe.

1601
01:20:53,853 --> 01:20:54,933
Speaker 7: I think miss the thought.

1602
01:20:55,813 --> 01:20:58,493
Speaker 3: Without delving too deep, you've pout in the right generation,

1603
01:20:58,573 --> 01:20:58,893
Speaker 3: aren't you.

1604
01:20:59,333 --> 01:20:59,573
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1605
01:20:59,653 --> 01:21:00,093
Speaker 17: I was.

1606
01:21:00,133 --> 01:21:03,453
Speaker 16: Look my big band, you know, lifelong Connor band was

1607
01:21:03,453 --> 01:21:10,373
Speaker 16: the Smiths. Really so that says so much, And I

1608
01:21:10,413 --> 01:21:15,413
Speaker 16: take no responsibility for what Morrissey does. Yeah, but you know,

1609
01:21:15,773 --> 01:21:18,973
Speaker 16: for me, that was like the ultimate band ever and

1610
01:21:19,013 --> 01:21:20,813
Speaker 16: nobody's ever lived up to them. I don't think so,

1611
01:21:20,973 --> 01:21:22,813
Speaker 16: you know, I could sort of take all leve Oasis.

1612
01:21:22,933 --> 01:21:25,173
Speaker 16: I definitely appreciate who they are and what they've done.

1613
01:21:25,053 --> 01:21:27,733
Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, well, I mean it would be actually

1614
01:21:28,053 --> 01:21:34,213
Speaker 3: an interesting clinical study the brother's relationship, wouldn't it. I mean, so,

1615
01:21:34,373 --> 01:21:36,253
Speaker 3: I I've got an I've got an interesting take on this,

1616
01:21:36,333 --> 01:21:38,733
Speaker 3: given how how much they seem to hate each other,

1617
01:21:38,813 --> 01:21:41,573
Speaker 3: the Gallagher brothers and have seemed to hate each other

1618
01:21:41,613 --> 01:21:44,853
Speaker 3: over the years. I reckon the reason that they have

1619
01:21:44,973 --> 01:21:48,773
Speaker 3: managed to stay together on this world tour is this

1620
01:21:48,933 --> 01:21:52,613
Speaker 3: incredible psychological phenomenon called money. I'm not sure I.

1621
01:21:56,293 --> 01:21:57,013
Speaker 9: Entirely agree.

1622
01:21:57,013 --> 01:21:57,533
Speaker 5: Didn't that?

1623
01:21:57,973 --> 01:21:58,693
Speaker 13: Am I right?

1624
01:21:58,773 --> 01:22:00,693
Speaker 16: And thinking that they might have even said that that's

1625
01:22:00,693 --> 01:22:03,613
Speaker 16: why they were going more or less?

1626
01:22:03,773 --> 01:22:06,093
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, they can only imagine how

1627
01:22:06,133 --> 01:22:09,693
Speaker 3: much they would have made. Oh, I was good on them.

1628
01:22:09,893 --> 01:22:11,373
Speaker 3: I don't know for a moment.

1629
01:22:11,413 --> 01:22:14,733
Speaker 7: But anyway, and they've only got one more show to show.

1630
01:22:14,893 --> 01:22:16,853
Speaker 3: If they can get through tonight, then you'd hope they've

1631
01:22:16,893 --> 01:22:18,733
Speaker 3: made enough money that they probably don't need to do

1632
01:22:18,773 --> 01:22:19,053
Speaker 3: any more.

1633
01:22:19,093 --> 01:22:19,733
Speaker 5: For the rest of Yeah.

1634
01:22:19,773 --> 01:22:23,133
Speaker 3: Absolutely, absolutely, Hey, you're bringing to us a new word

1635
01:22:23,413 --> 01:22:26,053
Speaker 3: worth a fair amount on a triple word score this morning.

1636
01:22:26,253 --> 01:22:27,253
Speaker 3: A fantasia.

1637
01:22:28,013 --> 01:22:28,813
Speaker 7: Fantasia.

1638
01:22:28,933 --> 01:22:30,253
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, it was, I was.

1639
01:22:30,293 --> 01:22:33,333
Speaker 16: I was just I came across it sort of earlier

1640
01:22:33,333 --> 01:22:34,533
Speaker 16: in the week and it reminded me.

1641
01:22:34,813 --> 01:22:36,533
Speaker 7: You know, we had a discussion a month or.

1642
01:22:36,533 --> 01:22:40,173
Speaker 16: Two ago about prosopagnosia, which is where you can't recognize

1643
01:22:40,213 --> 01:22:42,453
Speaker 16: other people's face faces.

1644
01:22:42,653 --> 01:22:45,533
Speaker 7: And a fantasia is sort of related.

1645
01:22:45,573 --> 01:22:47,733
Speaker 16: In fact, some people with protopagnosia have it, but it's

1646
01:22:47,773 --> 01:22:51,853
Speaker 16: where you can't see mental images. So, you know, most

1647
01:22:51,893 --> 01:22:55,133
Speaker 16: of us, if they if I said to people you

1648
01:22:55,133 --> 01:22:57,493
Speaker 16: know listening, you know, imagine what you had or remember

1649
01:22:57,533 --> 01:22:59,453
Speaker 16: what you had for breakfast this morning, Remember what the

1650
01:22:59,493 --> 01:23:02,933
Speaker 16: breakfast table looked like, most of us summon up a

1651
01:23:03,013 --> 01:23:05,133
Speaker 16: mental picture of what that looks like, you know you,

1652
01:23:05,333 --> 01:23:07,853
Speaker 16: And sometimes it's good quality, and sometimes it's a bit

1653
01:23:08,173 --> 01:23:11,013
Speaker 16: fuzzy quality, but it's a mental image in our head.

1654
01:23:11,253 --> 01:23:14,293
Speaker 16: People with a fantastia don't have that mental image in

1655
01:23:14,333 --> 01:23:14,973
Speaker 16: their head at all.

1656
01:23:15,013 --> 01:23:15,693
Speaker 7: They just don't.

1657
01:23:16,053 --> 01:23:19,093
Speaker 16: They just don't see in pictures. They they don't have

1658
01:23:19,133 --> 01:23:22,653
Speaker 16: a they don't think in pictures at all, which is

1659
01:23:22,733 --> 01:23:25,253
Speaker 16: quite surprising, and I think wud be quite it's quite

1660
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:27,693
Speaker 16: you know, quite a weird thing to discover that other

1661
01:23:27,733 --> 01:23:30,493
Speaker 16: people do if you've never had this in your life.

1662
01:23:30,613 --> 01:23:33,493
Speaker 3: And do they know why this happens, why some have

1663
01:23:33,613 --> 01:23:34,893
Speaker 3: it and some don't.

1664
01:23:35,373 --> 01:23:37,693
Speaker 16: Oh, look, some people will get it after I do

1665
01:23:37,773 --> 01:23:39,613
Speaker 16: get it after something like a head injury or some

1666
01:23:39,653 --> 01:23:43,213
Speaker 16: sort of brain injury. And some people are just apparently

1667
01:23:43,333 --> 01:23:45,893
Speaker 16: or seem to be just born with it. And they

1668
01:23:46,733 --> 01:23:49,133
Speaker 16: these are people that when you know, people say, oh,

1669
01:23:49,213 --> 01:23:51,853
Speaker 16: the mental image or the picture in my mind, that

1670
01:23:51,973 --> 01:23:54,893
Speaker 16: they think it's just it's just a turn of phrase.

1671
01:23:54,933 --> 01:23:57,613
Speaker 16: They don't think we're actually referring to a picture in

1672
01:23:57,653 --> 01:24:01,133
Speaker 16: our minds. But because they've never had one, which is

1673
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:04,013
Speaker 16: very I just find it intriguing that you'd never have that,

1674
01:24:04,093 --> 01:24:07,453
Speaker 16: and how I was going to how dull life might be.

1675
01:24:07,533 --> 01:24:11,533
Speaker 16: But I'm probably being I'm probably being a disingenuous there.

1676
01:24:11,533 --> 01:24:16,213
Speaker 16: But yeah, which it would change in life amazingly. I

1677
01:24:16,253 --> 01:24:18,253
Speaker 16: think if you couldn't see in pictures.

1678
01:24:17,933 --> 01:24:20,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, Are there any upsides to it?

1679
01:24:21,293 --> 01:24:22,733
Speaker 6: Are there any upsides to it?

1680
01:24:22,853 --> 01:24:23,213
Speaker 22: Well?

1681
01:24:24,133 --> 01:24:25,493
Speaker 16: It is I don't know if it's a it's an

1682
01:24:25,573 --> 01:24:31,013
Speaker 16: upside it is it is associated with, or more likely

1683
01:24:31,133 --> 01:24:35,493
Speaker 16: in people who are who are in kind of sciences

1684
01:24:35,533 --> 01:24:41,653
Speaker 16: and it and those sorts of things. Yeah, and but

1685
01:24:41,653 --> 01:24:43,533
Speaker 16: but there aren't two. There doesn't seem to be too

1686
01:24:43,533 --> 01:24:47,133
Speaker 16: many advantages of not having it. It just seems to

1687
01:24:47,173 --> 01:24:51,373
Speaker 16: be the extreme of one sort of aspect of human

1688
01:24:51,573 --> 01:24:54,493
Speaker 16: mind is that some people have. In fact, there is

1689
01:24:54,533 --> 01:24:58,013
Speaker 16: a thing called hyper fantasia where where that's the other extreme,

1690
01:24:58,053 --> 01:25:01,853
Speaker 16: where you where you see images vividly, it's very difficult

1691
01:25:01,893 --> 01:25:05,333
Speaker 16: to almost distinguish those from reality, which will also be

1692
01:25:05,373 --> 01:25:07,053
Speaker 16: a very interesting thing to experience too.

1693
01:25:07,213 --> 01:25:10,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, man, I wonder how people even know they

1694
01:25:10,373 --> 01:25:14,053
Speaker 3: have it kind of just say, well, I like, think

1695
01:25:14,093 --> 01:25:17,413
Speaker 3: of a cheese toasty right now, Yeah, picture of cheese toasty,

1696
01:25:17,453 --> 01:25:22,973
Speaker 3: and how delicious looks. Oh yeah, and if you can't

1697
01:25:23,053 --> 01:25:25,853
Speaker 3: that you're seeing, then you know you've got Iteah.

1698
01:25:25,933 --> 01:25:30,373
Speaker 16: Essentially, I think it's it's it's realizing that that people

1699
01:25:30,493 --> 01:25:33,053
Speaker 16: actually do see the picture of you know, as you say,

1700
01:25:33,053 --> 01:25:36,093
Speaker 16: if you close your eyes and think of a cheese toasty,

1701
01:25:36,333 --> 01:25:39,453
Speaker 16: then many of us will conjure up that image of

1702
01:25:39,493 --> 01:25:43,053
Speaker 16: a cheese toasty. And sometimes it's photo quality, and sometimes

1703
01:25:43,093 --> 01:25:46,373
Speaker 16: it's just like a vague sort of outline, but it's

1704
01:25:46,453 --> 01:25:49,413
Speaker 16: there as a mental image, and if you can't do

1705
01:25:49,453 --> 01:25:52,013
Speaker 16: that then you probably don't see in pictures. There was

1706
01:25:52,013 --> 01:25:54,613
Speaker 16: a big sort of there was about ten to fifteen

1707
01:25:54,693 --> 01:25:56,533
Speaker 16: years ago. There was sort of a big growth in

1708
01:25:56,573 --> 01:26:00,293
Speaker 16: it in the air or and people acknowledging that they

1709
01:26:00,333 --> 01:26:03,533
Speaker 16: had it after an article was published and somebody went,

1710
01:26:03,613 --> 01:26:06,493
Speaker 16: hang on, do you mean you actually see those and

1711
01:26:06,533 --> 01:26:10,053
Speaker 16: pictures because I've never had those at all. So it's

1712
01:26:10,173 --> 01:26:12,773
Speaker 16: been a fascinating discovery I think for if you, if

1713
01:26:12,813 --> 01:26:15,413
Speaker 16: you didn't, if you have a fancasty, have suddenly.

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01:26:15,173 --> 01:26:18,173
Speaker 3: Gone, oh here we go the brain amazing, eh. But

1715
01:26:18,293 --> 01:26:21,173
Speaker 3: it's just this is a brain wiring thing. It's just yeah, okay,

1716
01:26:21,213 --> 01:26:24,173
Speaker 3: well we're just going to do it completely differently.

1717
01:26:24,813 --> 01:26:28,093
Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And in the brain wiring they think

1718
01:26:28,133 --> 01:26:30,293
Speaker 16: it could be nobody knows for sure yet, but they

1719
01:26:30,293 --> 01:26:31,293
Speaker 16: think it could be that.

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01:26:33,173 --> 01:26:33,893
Speaker 7: You know that that.

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01:26:33,893 --> 01:26:38,773
Speaker 16: Actually it's related to when our brains lose connections in

1722
01:26:39,173 --> 01:26:41,493
Speaker 16: the first three years of life. Our brains go through

1723
01:26:41,533 --> 01:26:45,093
Speaker 16: this process called neuronal pruning, where you were almost like

1724
01:26:45,173 --> 01:26:47,733
Speaker 16: you prune off the branches of a of a tree

1725
01:26:47,733 --> 01:26:50,773
Speaker 16: that you don't need you prune off neur own neurons

1726
01:26:50,773 --> 01:26:53,653
Speaker 16: in the brain that you don't need, and that maybe

1727
01:26:53,693 --> 01:26:56,373
Speaker 16: you lose it then, and maybe that's maybe that's why

1728
01:26:56,413 --> 01:26:59,613
Speaker 16: many adults don't have as vivid imagination as kids, because

1729
01:26:59,653 --> 01:27:05,133
Speaker 16: those those neurons, those brain connections get snipped off because

1730
01:27:05,133 --> 01:27:06,333
Speaker 16: we don't need them as much.

1731
01:27:06,573 --> 01:27:08,413
Speaker 7: But it's a fascinating thing, the brain.

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01:27:08,653 --> 01:27:11,293
Speaker 3: It is. Yeah, that's very it's very Oliver sex of

1733
01:27:11,333 --> 01:27:12,013
Speaker 3: you this morning.

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01:27:12,373 --> 01:27:15,133
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks, I'll take that in.

1735
01:27:15,093 --> 01:27:15,493
Speaker 9: A good way.

1736
01:27:15,533 --> 01:27:18,773
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely fascinating. Okay, hey, thank you

1737
01:27:18,813 --> 01:27:19,413
Speaker 3: so much. Google.

1738
01:27:19,533 --> 01:27:19,853
Speaker 7: Awesome.

1739
01:27:19,973 --> 01:27:22,333
Speaker 3: Well you get back to brooding in a dark room

1740
01:27:22,373 --> 01:27:24,373
Speaker 3: and listening to girlfriend and a coma or something like that,

1741
01:27:24,453 --> 01:27:29,733
Speaker 3: and catch again very shortly. That is Keen Smith's fan

1742
01:27:30,173 --> 01:27:33,133
Speaker 3: Google Sutherland from Umbrella Well Being Right now at sixteen

1743
01:27:33,173 --> 01:27:34,853
Speaker 3: past eleven on news Talks Heed b.

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01:27:36,373 --> 01:27:39,613
Speaker 2: Travel with Winni Wo tours Where the world is yours

1745
01:27:39,773 --> 01:27:40,413
Speaker 2: for now?

1746
01:27:40,573 --> 01:27:44,493
Speaker 3: Mike Hardly is our travel will correspondent her Good morning.

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01:27:45,253 --> 01:27:46,093
Speaker 2: Good morning, Jack.

1748
01:27:46,133 --> 01:27:51,653
Speaker 25: Congratulations on supersizing your weekend workload. Will you have like

1749
01:27:51,893 --> 01:27:54,453
Speaker 25: Mondays and Tuesdays as your weekend?

1750
01:27:54,653 --> 01:27:55,493
Speaker 7: How does it all work?

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01:27:55,853 --> 01:28:00,533
Speaker 3: Basically? I so Saturday mornings I'm on news talks heads.

1752
01:28:00,973 --> 01:28:04,613
Speaker 3: I'll go home, have lunch with the Faro, then come

1753
01:28:04,693 --> 01:28:09,253
Speaker 3: down and read the news on Saturday evenings, and then

1754
01:28:09,453 --> 01:28:12,773
Speaker 3: on Sunday mornings, I will present Q and A. I

1755
01:28:12,853 --> 01:28:15,133
Speaker 3: will finish up work after Q and A. I'll go

1756
01:28:15,213 --> 01:28:17,533
Speaker 3: home for the rest of my Sunday, and then I'll

1757
01:28:17,573 --> 01:28:21,733
Speaker 3: have Monday and Tuesday off. My wife will also have

1758
01:28:21,813 --> 01:28:24,773
Speaker 3: Mondays off, so we'll have so we'll have Sunday afternoon

1759
01:28:24,853 --> 01:28:28,773
Speaker 3: with the Sundays sort of from late morning and afternoon together,

1760
01:28:29,253 --> 01:28:32,133
Speaker 3: and then Monday together, and then on Tuesdays, I'll look

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01:28:32,173 --> 01:28:34,293
Speaker 3: after the baby while my wife goes to work, and

1762
01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:40,453
Speaker 3: then Wednesday, Thursday, Friday days and the Yeah. So that's

1763
01:28:40,453 --> 01:28:45,053
Speaker 3: the star theory. That's the yeah and theory. But we'll

1764
01:28:45,093 --> 01:28:47,853
Speaker 3: see what happens in practice, you know. But I mean,

1765
01:28:48,533 --> 01:28:53,613
Speaker 3: truth be told, it was I could, like sincerely making

1766
01:28:53,813 --> 01:28:57,093
Speaker 3: making it works so that I could host the show,

1767
01:28:57,293 --> 01:29:00,453
Speaker 3: host Q and A and most importantly actually have a

1768
01:29:00,453 --> 01:29:03,333
Speaker 3: bit more time with the family at home. Was the

1769
01:29:03,213 --> 01:29:06,813
Speaker 3: was the priority. So you will see how it all goes. Yeah,

1770
01:29:07,053 --> 01:29:10,253
Speaker 3: good on you, Oh thank you. Yeah, no, I'm really excited. Yeah,

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01:29:10,253 --> 01:29:13,253
Speaker 3: it's a real privilege. So looking forward to getting into

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01:29:13,293 --> 01:29:15,573
Speaker 3: that in a couple of weeks, and you know, and

1773
01:29:15,613 --> 01:29:17,973
Speaker 3: if I'm if I'm burnt out after a thought night,

1774
01:29:18,173 --> 01:29:19,013
Speaker 3: then you'll be the first to know.

1775
01:29:19,093 --> 01:29:19,453
Speaker 7: I'm sure.

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01:29:21,613 --> 01:29:25,133
Speaker 3: Anyway, Hey, you are focusing this morning on a fresh

1777
01:29:25,173 --> 01:29:28,933
Speaker 3: swing with Singapore, which is a wonderful spot even if

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01:29:28,973 --> 01:29:31,613
Speaker 3: only for a couple of nights sometimes, and there's always

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01:29:31,653 --> 01:29:35,373
Speaker 3: sort of new bits and pieces picking your attraction there.

1780
01:29:35,373 --> 01:29:37,213
Speaker 3: But what's new at Gardens by the Bay?

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01:29:38,613 --> 01:29:43,293
Speaker 25: Yeah, quite the Kupjack Jurassic World. The experience has arrived

1782
01:29:43,333 --> 01:29:47,013
Speaker 25: at Gardens by the Bay. So if you've been there before,

1783
01:29:48,333 --> 01:29:51,893
Speaker 25: you'll think of those giant domed conservatories like Cloud Forest.

1784
01:29:52,293 --> 01:29:54,653
Speaker 25: What they've done, and it started a few months ago,

1785
01:29:54,973 --> 01:30:00,133
Speaker 25: is you've got the film franchise bringing its life sized

1786
01:30:00,333 --> 01:30:05,253
Speaker 25: animatronic dinosaurs into the Cloud Forest Conservatory.

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Speaker 5: So as you.

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01:30:05,933 --> 01:30:10,773
Speaker 25: Wander around, casting your eyes over the seventy thousand plants

1789
01:30:10,773 --> 01:30:14,333
Speaker 25: in that conservatory, suddenly you come face to face with

1790
01:30:14,413 --> 01:30:19,373
Speaker 25: the t rex or a brachiosaurus or a comsognithice rearing

1791
01:30:19,533 --> 01:30:22,613
Speaker 25: up and thrusting their might when you least expect it.

1792
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Speaker 7: It is quite absorbing.

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Speaker 25: And if you're wondering what the hell a dinosaur was

1794
01:30:27,933 --> 01:30:33,013
Speaker 25: doing there. There are about fifty species of plants within

1795
01:30:33,493 --> 01:30:37,613
Speaker 25: Cloud Forest with lineages that reach back to the Jurassic Age,

1796
01:30:37,693 --> 01:30:40,893
Speaker 25: you know, sort of like ferns and conifers. So that's

1797
01:30:40,933 --> 01:30:43,973
Speaker 25: the tenuous link. But it really is quite spectacular how

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01:30:44,013 --> 01:30:44,533
Speaker 25: they've done it.

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Speaker 3: Are the super trees still the kind of stars of

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01:30:48,013 --> 01:30:48,693
Speaker 3: the show.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so.

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01:30:50,893 --> 01:30:54,573
Speaker 25: It's interesting because Gardens by the Bay has cemented itself

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01:30:54,613 --> 01:30:58,533
Speaker 25: as the number one visitor attraction in Singapore for over

1804
01:30:58,573 --> 01:31:01,293
Speaker 25: a decade now. People just can't get enough of it.

1805
01:31:01,933 --> 01:31:05,573
Speaker 25: The mega conservatories, the aerial walkways, and yes, then those

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01:31:06,373 --> 01:31:09,853
Speaker 25: super sized steel trees. But around the clock the super

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01:31:09,893 --> 01:31:13,773
Speaker 25: Trees grove, I just think it inspires a sense of

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01:31:14,173 --> 01:31:19,333
Speaker 25: awe and then come nightfall, the grove busts out a

1809
01:31:19,893 --> 01:31:23,573
Speaker 25: very trippy choreograph to light and sound show. So that's

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01:31:23,613 --> 01:31:27,573
Speaker 25: a great free spectacle that Gardens by the Bay dishes

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01:31:27,653 --> 01:31:28,133
Speaker 25: up as well.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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01:31:28,533 --> 01:31:31,853
Speaker 3: Nice, and Singapaure's got really distinctive neighborhood today, so where's good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:31:33,333 --> 01:31:37,093
Speaker 25: I've always enjoyed Chinatown because it's got super cheap shopping,

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01:31:37,373 --> 01:31:41,453
Speaker 25: cheap peets, and fantastic architecture with all of those old

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01:31:41,533 --> 01:31:44,253
Speaker 25: chophouses which have been restored and they sort of set

1818
01:31:44,293 --> 01:31:48,253
Speaker 25: the stage for the whole scene. But another really cool

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01:31:48,373 --> 01:31:52,133
Speaker 25: hit to check out if you haven't before, is Kempong Glam,

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01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:57,813
Speaker 25: which sort of takes all of Chinatown's energies up a gear.

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01:31:58,013 --> 01:32:02,053
Speaker 25: So it's a very pocket sized precinct and it was

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01:32:02,133 --> 01:32:06,813
Speaker 25: once the seat of Singapore's first sultan. So it's anchored

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01:32:06,813 --> 01:32:10,853
Speaker 25: by that unbelievably gorgeous golden domed mosque right in the

1824
01:32:10,853 --> 01:32:14,453
Speaker 25: heart of Campoon Glam. And then all around the mosque

1825
01:32:15,093 --> 01:32:19,413
Speaker 25: these little little lanes and roads with a lot of

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01:32:19,973 --> 01:32:26,613
Speaker 25: heritage heavy street architecture, a lot of old chophouses which

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01:32:26,613 --> 01:32:29,893
Speaker 25: were all lovely painted, and a lot of them are

1828
01:32:29,933 --> 01:32:33,973
Speaker 25: still home to really old businesses, you know, decades old

1829
01:32:34,053 --> 01:32:39,493
Speaker 25: perfumeries and fabric merchants and lots of traditional cafes. So

1830
01:32:39,933 --> 01:32:42,653
Speaker 25: it's just a really aromatic place to go.

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01:32:42,813 --> 01:32:43,013
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:32:43,053 --> 01:32:44,893
Speaker 3: Great, and that's home too. Harji Lane.

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01:32:44,893 --> 01:32:49,733
Speaker 25: Oh, oh my goodness, this is such a rock star street.

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01:32:49,853 --> 01:32:52,053
Speaker 25: Harji Lane. It is actually more of a lane than

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01:32:52,093 --> 01:32:56,973
Speaker 25: a street. It's like a narrow seam that you should

1836
01:32:56,973 --> 01:33:01,493
Speaker 25: add to your stroll while checking out Campon Glam. But yeah,

1837
01:33:01,533 --> 01:33:05,573
Speaker 25: originally I was fascinated by this. Originally this lane, Harji Lane,

1838
01:33:05,613 --> 01:33:10,173
Speaker 25: it's the name was jest actually provided accommodation for Asian

1839
01:33:10,173 --> 01:33:15,453
Speaker 25: pilgrims heading to the jaj In Mecca, hence the name

1840
01:33:15,613 --> 01:33:22,173
Speaker 25: Haji Lane. It's now a hipster's hotspot with amazing boutiques,

1841
01:33:22,493 --> 01:33:26,733
Speaker 25: indie boutiques, and then lots of really cheerful wal art

1842
01:33:26,813 --> 01:33:31,613
Speaker 25: which has been constantly refreshed. So this is definitely where

1843
01:33:31,653 --> 01:33:34,453
Speaker 25: Singapore is trenty young things go to shop and to

1844
01:33:34,493 --> 01:33:37,373
Speaker 25: hang out. You want to go there early in the

1845
01:33:37,413 --> 01:33:41,093
Speaker 25: morning because it is a narrow lane and as the

1846
01:33:41,173 --> 01:33:43,613
Speaker 25: day progresses it just gets increasingly packed.

1847
01:33:45,533 --> 01:33:48,773
Speaker 3: Yeah nice. What about some suggested food stops.

1848
01:33:49,853 --> 01:33:53,013
Speaker 25: Yeah, well, Campon glam Man Alive. You could just eat

1849
01:33:53,053 --> 01:33:57,573
Speaker 25: yourself ridiculously in Campoon glam particularly if you like spicy

1850
01:33:57,613 --> 01:34:02,573
Speaker 25: food and Middle Eastern influences. Just packed with gret eats.

1851
01:34:02,893 --> 01:34:07,653
Speaker 25: Some of my picks on Busse or Row Street, Beirut grill.

1852
01:34:07,813 --> 01:34:11,013
Speaker 25: Oh my goodness, the lamb Shanks, Jack. I love Lambshanks,

1853
01:34:11,013 --> 01:34:15,573
Speaker 25: but there's just something very very special about favorite grooms Lambshanks.

1854
01:34:16,253 --> 01:34:19,853
Speaker 25: They cooked them over charcoal. If you like marinated chicken.

1855
01:34:19,893 --> 01:34:23,733
Speaker 25: The a Sheesh Talc is really good. And then just

1856
01:34:23,773 --> 01:34:27,093
Speaker 25: around the corner on Beach Road the Coconut Club. I mean,

1857
01:34:27,093 --> 01:34:29,053
Speaker 25: the name is such a great name, isn't it for

1858
01:34:29,053 --> 01:34:32,773
Speaker 25: a restaurant, The Coconut Club, And yeah, a lot of

1859
01:34:32,853 --> 01:34:37,293
Speaker 25: locals will go there for Lassi Nasi Lamark. The coconut

1860
01:34:37,373 --> 01:34:43,453
Speaker 25: perfumed rice is just delivered with perfection, and very close

1861
01:34:43,493 --> 01:34:49,013
Speaker 25: to that in Candahar Street. Chikiti is a very unexpected

1862
01:34:49,053 --> 01:34:53,413
Speaker 25: Italian joint in Kempong Glen. But the reason I mentioned

1863
01:34:53,413 --> 01:34:55,453
Speaker 25: this is because you've got to go there for a

1864
01:34:55,493 --> 01:35:00,493
Speaker 25: slice of Neapolitan pie. It's this triple decked creamy custard

1865
01:35:00,893 --> 01:35:05,413
Speaker 25: construction lad and chocolate strawberry and vanilla pannacotta.

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01:35:05,493 --> 01:35:07,013
Speaker 7: Oh my goodness, that's okay.

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01:35:07,133 --> 01:35:10,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't need to be told twice on that one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Mike. This sounds great. What about Orchid Road

1869
01:35:13,333 --> 01:35:15,013
Speaker 3: is that still a bit of a tourist trap?

1870
01:35:16,053 --> 01:35:17,133
Speaker 7: It is interesting.

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01:35:17,293 --> 01:35:21,773
Speaker 25: Yes, it is stacked with glamorous shopping centers, which would

1872
01:35:21,773 --> 01:35:24,373
Speaker 25: be the envy of, you know, any city in the world,

1873
01:35:24,453 --> 01:35:27,733
Speaker 25: but Singaporeans give it the wide birth. They never shop

1874
01:35:27,773 --> 01:35:31,613
Speaker 25: an Orchard Road, so it's totally good at tourists. The

1875
01:35:31,813 --> 01:35:35,733
Speaker 25: only exception for the locals would probably be the glitzy

1876
01:35:36,173 --> 01:35:39,013
Speaker 25: Ion Center, which from remembering is on the corner of

1877
01:35:39,093 --> 01:35:42,453
Speaker 25: Orchard Road in Scott's Road. The reason the locals love

1878
01:35:42,533 --> 01:35:46,173
Speaker 25: Ion is because it's got a really good hawker food court,

1879
01:35:47,053 --> 01:35:47,733
Speaker 25: so that's.

1880
01:35:47,573 --> 01:35:48,373
Speaker 5: Worth checking out.

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01:35:48,613 --> 01:35:50,973
Speaker 25: The other interesting thing about Orchard Road, though, Jack, is

1882
01:35:51,013 --> 01:35:55,733
Speaker 25: it's home to Singapore's ice cream sandwich. So there's a

1883
01:35:55,773 --> 01:35:59,253
Speaker 25: couple of old street carts which have operated on Orchard

1884
01:35:59,333 --> 01:36:03,413
Speaker 25: Road for more than thirty years, and it's very very

1885
01:36:03,493 --> 01:36:07,533
Speaker 25: much local flavors like Durian red bean, Yeah, sweet corn

1886
01:36:07,613 --> 01:36:11,693
Speaker 25: ice cream which has served between slices of very pillowy

1887
01:36:12,213 --> 01:36:15,613
Speaker 25: pend and bread made from pandanas, So yeah, give that

1888
01:36:15,693 --> 01:36:15,853
Speaker 25: a go.

1889
01:36:16,293 --> 01:36:21,533
Speaker 3: Durry and ice cream would be all right, ice cream

1890
01:36:21,573 --> 01:36:25,653
Speaker 3: not not necessarily not convinced it.

1891
01:36:25,653 --> 01:36:29,093
Speaker 25: That way, Yeah, I'd go with you on that. Yeah,

1892
01:36:29,213 --> 01:36:31,413
Speaker 25: I just yeah, I find I find it a very

1893
01:36:31,653 --> 01:36:35,693
Speaker 25: powerful flavor. So yeah, a little bit of dirry and

1894
01:36:35,933 --> 01:36:38,413
Speaker 25: amongst a couple of slices of bread would be okay,

1895
01:36:38,453 --> 01:36:39,253
Speaker 25: But that's about it.

1896
01:36:41,133 --> 01:36:43,973
Speaker 3: If you're traveling with kids, Singapore's Yeah is just an

1897
01:36:44,053 --> 01:36:46,533
Speaker 3: absolute knockout, a real family favorite.

1898
01:36:47,333 --> 01:36:50,213
Speaker 25: Definitely, Yeah. It's long been regarded as one of the

1899
01:36:50,213 --> 01:36:53,413
Speaker 25: world's best. The interesting thing is adjoining the zoo, they've

1900
01:36:53,453 --> 01:36:58,373
Speaker 25: got another attraction as such, called River Wonders, and it

1901
01:36:58,893 --> 01:37:04,413
Speaker 25: beautifully showcases various ecosystems like the Mississippi River habitat. And

1902
01:37:04,453 --> 01:37:08,413
Speaker 25: they've got an Amazon flooded forest complete with manatees, which

1903
01:37:08,413 --> 01:37:11,293
Speaker 25: is one of my favorite mammals. But beast of all

1904
01:37:11,453 --> 01:37:16,093
Speaker 25: Jack the giant panda forest. Oh my goodness. It's home

1905
01:37:16,133 --> 01:37:20,133
Speaker 25: to Kai Kai and Gigia, who effortlessly work the crowd

1906
01:37:20,493 --> 01:37:24,133
Speaker 25: day and day out, unsurprisingly for a lot of kids,

1907
01:37:24,373 --> 01:37:28,973
Speaker 25: particularly Kiwi kids going to Singapore for holiday, drawling over

1908
01:37:29,093 --> 01:37:33,133
Speaker 25: pandas the runaway holiday highlight. And then if you enter

1909
01:37:33,213 --> 01:37:36,333
Speaker 25: that your dinosaurs and an ice cream sandwich?

1910
01:37:36,573 --> 01:37:37,613
Speaker 7: What more could you want?

1911
01:37:37,693 --> 01:37:40,693
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, Well maybe for it not to be a

1912
01:37:40,773 --> 01:37:45,293
Speaker 3: Durian ice cream sandwich would be earlier exaction there. Love it.

1913
01:37:45,373 --> 01:37:47,813
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Mike. Those are fantastic little tips.

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01:37:47,813 --> 01:37:51,173
Speaker 3: For more of Mike's advice on enjoying a swing through Singapore,

1915
01:37:51,493 --> 01:37:53,173
Speaker 3: you can see his article on the news talks He'd

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01:37:53,173 --> 01:37:54,893
Speaker 3: Be website and all of his tips will go up

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Speaker 3: there as well. It's just coming up to eleven thirty,

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Speaker 3: so before middayn News Talks, he'd be we are going

1919
01:37:59,573 --> 01:38:02,573
Speaker 3: to go to Sydney ahead of the final Oasis gig

1920
01:38:02,613 --> 01:38:04,413
Speaker 3: in their world tour. We'll have your book picks for

1921
01:38:04,453 --> 01:38:05,493
Speaker 3: the weekend shortly too.

1922
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Speaker 2: Getting your weekends started.

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Speaker 1: It's Saturday morning with Jack Team on News Talks FB.

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Speaker 26: Gee Fine Time show, Johnby Show.

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Speaker 3: That's nice, That's home to you from Friend of the Show,

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Speaker 3: Kiwi Musoh Sam Cullen. His debut album is out now.

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Speaker 3: It is twenty eight minutes to twelve on News Talks,

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Speaker 3: he'd be there is the time that Jason pine will

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Speaker 3: be in taking over the mic for Weekend Sport this weekend,

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Speaker 3: and no doubt Piney is counting down the ours to

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Speaker 3: the first derby of the A League season for the

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Speaker 3: New Zealand teams. I reckon, Piney, this is just based

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Speaker 3: on absolutely nothing except that except that FC won all

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Speaker 3: three of them last year. I reckon, maybe this could

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Speaker 3: be the Phoenix's day.

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Speaker 21: Well, I hope so from a resident of the Capitol's

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Speaker 21: point of view, jaies.

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Speaker 3: They got three players out with injury.

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Speaker 21: Actually it's about double that now. I had a lot

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Speaker 21: this morning, so it's not not the greatest prep as

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Speaker 21: far as they concerned.

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Speaker 3: But you might need to lace up your boots.

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Speaker 21: Well, there's always a positive, there's always a positive. I

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Speaker 21: think the Phoenix have played well this season. They are unbeaten,

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Speaker 21: as are Auckland FC. And look, I just wonder whether

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Speaker 21: this is the Phoenix's best chance, probably since Darby won

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Speaker 21: last year, actually to actually win one of these things.

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Speaker 21: They come up against an Auckland FC side who, yes,

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Speaker 21: are also unbeaten, and yes, are at the top of

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Speaker 21: the table. But I'm not sure they have quite recaptured

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Speaker 21: their dominant form of last season. I think they're still

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Speaker 21: kind of finding combinations with some new players coming in

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Speaker 21: and haven't really yet hit their straps. Three goals and

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Speaker 21: three games jack, you know, you don't have to win

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Speaker 21: one nil, of course.

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Speaker 3: But they've only got three.

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Speaker 21: The Phoenix, by contrast, have already scored five goals this season.

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Speaker 21: So there's one little metric. A nice day in Wellington,

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Speaker 21: bit of a breeze, but nothing which is going to

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Speaker 21: interfere with the football at all. We've got a double header,

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Speaker 21: of course, with the women underway and there a league

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Speaker 21: women's season at four o'clock against Canberra then the derby

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Speaker 21: at seven set to be a terrific occasion.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm really I'm really looking forward to it. Actually,

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Speaker 3: I think it should be. Yeah, I mean it should be.

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Speaker 3: It should be like potentially quite even handed contests, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it blows out. I don't think it

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Speaker 3: blows out on the sixth one last year, Jack.

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Speaker 21: I feel like it's more like it's a one goal

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Speaker 21: win to either of the two sides. So just a

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Speaker 21: little stat for you. Auckland FC have never won a

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Speaker 21: game in which they've conceded the first goal, So that's

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Speaker 21: how important the first goal is for Wellington.

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Speaker 3: Interesting. Okay, good, so all backs, four am. We'll just

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Speaker 3: after four o'clock tomorrow kickoff at Murrayfield again against Scotland.

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Speaker 3: I think I feel more confident about the result in

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Speaker 3: this one, in that the All Blacks should get up

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Speaker 3: despite their injury concerns as well. I think so.

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Speaker 21: I think the last twenty minutes last week gave us

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Speaker 21: great encouragement, didn't they. When you and I were speaking

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Speaker 21: ahead of the Island game, I think we were sort

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Speaker 21: of reasonably confident. But after an hour of that game,

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Speaker 21: I'm sure that most people thought, hey, this could go

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Speaker 21: one of two ways. The fact that the All Blacks

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Speaker 21: came over the top of Ireland like they used to

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Speaker 21: do in the old days was very promising.

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Speaker 3: I like the side that's been named. Yes, Scotland will

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Speaker 3: be up for it.

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Speaker 21: Murrayfield celebrating its one hundred year anniversary this weekend as well,

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Speaker 21: with all sorts of pageantry around that. But I just

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Speaker 21: look at the All Blacks and I think, look, if

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Speaker 21: they can if they can assert dominance a little bit

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Speaker 21: earlier than the sixty minute mark, I really think they

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Speaker 21: will be too good for Scotland. So yeah, like the side,

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Speaker 21: I'm looking forward to an early start tomorrow morning to

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Speaker 21: watch this one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very good.

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Speaker 21: What are you planning for us this afternoon? Well, Brad

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Speaker 21: Moore is an interesting guy. He's been assistant coach of

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Speaker 21: the All Blacks and assistant coach of Scotland, so what

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Speaker 21: better man to talk about all Black spey Scotland. He's

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Speaker 21: with us after midday we'll take some rugby calls and

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Speaker 21: then after one o'clock we're onto the derby inside both camps,

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Speaker 21: but at Black camps as well. They're in Nelson to

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Speaker 21: take on the Western East tomorrow and on Monday. Mark Chapman,

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Speaker 21: who smashed it to all parts of Eden Park the

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Speaker 21: other night, is.

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Speaker 3: With us on the show too. Oh good, great looking

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Speaker 3: forward to that, Thank you, sir. Enjoy this afternoon, Enjoy

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Speaker 3: the game this evening Jason Pine with this Weekend Sport

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Speaker 3: right after the midday News. Before that, Oasis are in

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Speaker 3: Sydney and next up. If you're thinking for something slightly

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Speaker 3: quieter but probably with comparable levels of drama, Katherine Rain's,

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Speaker 3: our book reviewer, has her two recommendations for the week that's.

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Speaker 1: Next Saturday Morning with Jack Team Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio powered by News Talks EDB.

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Speaker 3: Twenty one to twelve on news talks 'b. Okay, when

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Speaker 3: I say this, it's going to sound boring, right. It

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Speaker 3: is the story of Wind, the story of the remarkable

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Speaker 3: role that Wind plays in our life. If I give

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Speaker 3: you the title of the book, it sounds a bit

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Speaker 3: more dramatic, The Breath of God Odds by Simon Winchester.

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Speaker 3: But Catherine Rains, our book reviewer, has read it and

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Speaker 3: reckons it is pretty damn interesting. Good morning, Catherine, I do.

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Speaker 27: You're quite right? And yes, but it wasn't a topic

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Speaker 27: that I thought that I would pick up a book

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Speaker 27: and read about. But I very much enjoy Simon Winchester's

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Speaker 27: writing and that was why I picked it up. And

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Speaker 27: in this he explains how wind plays a part in

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Speaker 27: our everyday lives, from aeroplane and car travel to natural

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Speaker 27: disasters that seem to be becoming more frequent and regular.

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Speaker 27: And you know, he sort of says, wind is this force,

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Speaker 27: of course, and it doesn't respect any national borders or

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Speaker 27: any vessel or structure in its path. And Winchester really

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Speaker 27: in this story takes you on this journey around the world,

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Speaker 27: and he stops in places and he talks about you know,

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Speaker 27: windriven tumble weed and how make me clever? Ancient mariners were,

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Speaker 27: and the technology behind wind turbines and the firestorms that

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Speaker 27: are generated, and then what happened during the Allied bombings

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Speaker 27: of places like Tokyo and Dresden. And he also considers

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Speaker 27: when he stops along the way, how different things might

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Speaker 27: have been had wind blown different directions. So, for example,

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Speaker 27: during the Chernobyl disaster, it was a prevailing southeasterly wind

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Speaker 27: and its effects were immediately detectable in Scandinavia. But if

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Speaker 27: it was during the spring and the westerlies were there,

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Speaker 27: it would have spread over Soviet territory instead, and potentially

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Speaker 27: might have been concealed from the world. And when Chester

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Speaker 27: starts in the beginning is kind of defining wind in

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Speaker 27: its consequences. And he also talks about this really interesting

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Speaker 27: event during the nineteen seventies through to the twenty tenish

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Speaker 27: time about the global stilling, terrestrial stilling, and meteorologists and

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Speaker 27: others could not work out why the average speeds of

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Speaker 27: the winds planets dropped more than two percent during these decades,

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Speaker 27: and he offers a really reasoned and compelling way of

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Speaker 27: why they occurred and the causes and the connections to

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Speaker 27: climate change. And you know what sounds like, as we

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Speaker 27: talked about in the beginning, a really strange subject to

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Speaker 27: write a book on, and it's really fascinating, and he

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Speaker 27: mixes in these personal stories and interesting people and places,

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Speaker 27: and he writes in such an engaging style. I can

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Speaker 27: guarantee you will be hooked and you will find yourself

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Speaker 27: reading this book because he tells it in such an

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Speaker 27: interesting way.

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Speaker 17: It does.

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Speaker 3: You've sold me, You've sold me, and I'm glad. I'm

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Speaker 3: glad that you have, because I'm sure there'll be some

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Speaker 3: people who say, oh, wow, really a story about wind,

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Speaker 3: But no, it does sound amazing. Okay. So that's The

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Speaker 3: Breath of God by Simon Winchester. Next up The Detective

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Speaker 3: by Matthew Riley.

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Speaker 27: So for something completely different. This is a contemporary crime

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Speaker 27: novel and it's set in the deep South of the US,

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Speaker 27: and you meet this guy is not your sort of

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Speaker 27: typical hero. Is a guy called Sam Speedman, and he's

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Speaker 27: a private detective but he was also autistic. But he

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Speaker 27: uses those unique attributes to his complete advantage. His obsessive behaviors,

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Speaker 27: the deep concentration, the problem solving, and the immense patience

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Speaker 27: he has to crack cases. And when we meet Sam,

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Speaker 27: he's focused on one of these old unsolved cases and

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Speaker 27: it comes to light in this quite gruesome manner, And

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Speaker 27: for one hundred and fifty years, women have been disappearing,

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Speaker 27: and all of the investigators who when in search of

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Speaker 27: them from eighteen seventy seven to now have also disappeared.

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Speaker 27: And Sam just starts to uncover one dark it's secret

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Speaker 27: after another, and each kind of more harrowing than the last,

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Speaker 27: and you find yourself in the plains of Texas and

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Speaker 27: in the middle of Louisiana and in Florida and back again,

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Speaker 27: and you're these unspeakable crimes and some of the worst

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Speaker 27: people imaginable, and it gets deep into that those worst

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Speaker 27: bits of southern politics. And Sam's character is really unconventional,

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Speaker 27: as I said, and it just in it, but it's

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Speaker 27: told in his perspective, which really helps you understand sort

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Speaker 27: of his character and the perception of what he's thinking

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Speaker 27: because he's directly speaking to you. And then add in

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Speaker 27: that airiness of the swamp country and the world of

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Speaker 27: the rich and famous, and there's this conspiracy involving politicians

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Speaker 27: and judges and police and the mega wealthy at the

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Speaker 27: center of the book, and it seems really outlandish when

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Speaker 27: you're kind of first reading it. I read and events

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Speaker 27: kind of gives things a little bit more credibility, and

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Speaker 27: he pulls in references to actual events and real press conferences,

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Speaker 27: so every now and again you find yourself thinking, oh, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 27: but it's a really page turning read, and social commentary

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Speaker 27: about the US is really really interesting from Matthew Riley's perspective.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nice, okay, great, So that is the detective by

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Speaker 3: Matthew Riley. The Breath of God's by Simon Winchester is

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Speaker 3: Catherine's first book. All of the details for both of those.

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Speaker 3: We'll be on the news talks he'd be website. We

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Speaker 3: are in Sydney ahead of Oasis' final gig of their

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Speaker 3: world tour. In a couple of minutes, giving.

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Speaker 1: The inside scoop on all you need to know Saturday

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Speaker 1: morning with Jack dam News Talks, the walk down.

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Speaker 19: The kind of well we were we.

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Speaker 3: Would get in Hide.

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Speaker 28: Sunday Well fine comedy, the last in a Champaint Superennover

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Speaker 28: and Sky Sam there you will find me coming in.

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Speaker 2: The least line, Hide in a.

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Speaker 28: Champas Superenova, a champassed Souperenover sco fourteen to twelve on

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Speaker 28: News Talks, He'd be I reckon if you were going

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Speaker 28: anywhere in Sydney or Melbourne or Australia over the last few.

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Speaker 3: Days, like any shot any more, any restaurant, you would

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Speaker 3: have been hearing that song. Oasis set to play the

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Speaker 3: final gig of their world tour this evening. Chris Schultz

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Speaker 3: is there in Sydney, Candy down the minutes to concert time,

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Speaker 3: give us a vibe check Chris.

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Speaker 6: It's exactly what you just said. Yeah, the fans are

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Speaker 6: everywhere that dicked and hit the toe and band shirts,

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Speaker 6: Addie dash jackets, Addi dash shoes. They're singing the songs

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Speaker 6: I heard yesterday. Don't Look Back in Anger. I heard

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Speaker 6: it six separate times, including while I was eating my dinner.

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Speaker 6: A group of people walk past just singing it to

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Speaker 6: the streets. That's exactly what's going on. Everyone here seems

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Speaker 6: to be heading to these shows. It's captured the zeitgeist

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Speaker 6: of Australia. I want to say, not in the way

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Speaker 6: since Taylor Swift was here a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 6: It feels like everyone is aimed towards these concerts. They're

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Speaker 6: unified behind them and they're just so happy. These people

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Speaker 6: are so happy. They just have the best fans, Like

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Speaker 6: no one thought this was possible. You know, they haven't

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Speaker 6: toured here in twenty seven years, and they famously broke

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Speaker 6: up in two thousand and nine by storming off stage.

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Speaker 6: That show in ninety eight, by the way, that did

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Speaker 6: make it to New Zealand that tour. It was so

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Speaker 6: bad that yeah, Liam headbutted a fan arrested. He got

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Speaker 6: banned from Cathay Pacific for life. And then in Wellington

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Speaker 6: he played a kazoo instead of singing the songs. He

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Speaker 6: played a kazoo, had a fight with his brother backstage

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Speaker 6: a show notes so notorious, someone wrote a book about it.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, it just feels like this is the place

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Speaker 6: to be at the moment, which is why I've come

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Speaker 6: over for it.

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Speaker 3: Good on you. I'm so pleased you there. I think

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Speaker 3: it's very much the place to be. And it's telling,

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Speaker 3: isn't it. I mean, as if we needed yet another example,

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Speaker 3: but the fact that they're playing Sydney, they're playing Melbourne,

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Speaker 3: they're not playing New Zealand.

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Speaker 6: It's a real shame. You know, the energy that a

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Speaker 6: big band like this brings to a city. You can

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Speaker 6: just feel it right just walking around you see the fans.

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Speaker 6: And in Melbourne especially, these reports came out from bar

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Speaker 6: owners who were claiming the band had like saved the year,

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Speaker 6: you know that said things like, you know, post COVID,

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Speaker 6: the hospitality industry was in ruin and suddenly they were

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01:51:07,853 --> 01:51:10,333
Speaker 6: taking in a week's worth of takings in a single

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Speaker 6: night because fans were all out enjoying themselves, you know,

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Speaker 6: out and he's filling these bars up until six am. Again,

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Speaker 6: like I guess pre COVID times. It's just that kind

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Speaker 6: of tour. I think too. You know, there's something about

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Speaker 6: the fact that these two brothers, you know, they notoriously

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Speaker 6: hated each other. They were so divided, they had so

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Speaker 6: many fights on stage over the years. You can't say

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Speaker 6: it was fake like it was. It was real. And

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01:51:37,173 --> 01:51:40,853
Speaker 6: in this moment right the world's quite divided. There's examples

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Speaker 6: of it happening every day, especially in America, and here's

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Speaker 6: two brothers who've managed to pick up the pieces and

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Speaker 6: get back on the road. I gave this tour, this

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Speaker 6: show tonight. I gave that when I bought my tickets

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Speaker 6: a year ago, a fifty to fifty chance of happening.

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Speaker 6: But they've done it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah they are, Yeah, yeah they have. It's amazing what

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Speaker 3: a motivator like tens of millions of dollars can be.

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Speaker 6: I think Noel the reporter, Noel's taking one hundred million

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Speaker 6: pounds away from this tour. So yeah, they're doing Okay,

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Speaker 6: Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, I didn't. They're good on them, you know,

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Speaker 3: good on them. If you've if you've done whatever you

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Speaker 3: need to do to have that kind of you know,

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Speaker 3: the support and level of fandom around the world, then

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Speaker 3: who could resent you for it? You know, I think

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Speaker 3: it's pretty amazing. So what is your just talking us

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Speaker 3: to your planning for the day, Then how's it? How's

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Speaker 3: it going to work?

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Speaker 6: I'm going to relax because tonight it sounds like it's

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Speaker 6: going to be pretty heatic. It's the biggest show I've

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Speaker 6: ever been to. I've never been to a concert with

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Speaker 6: eighty thousand people out of before. I think the biggest

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Speaker 6: thing I've been to is about forty five thousand. So

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Speaker 6: I'm going to rest up. Jack. I'm not going to

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Speaker 6: do a lot of walking because it's you know, it's

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Speaker 6: at a Core Stadium, it's out of town. Yeah, and yeah,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to try not to hear too many awaysis

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Speaker 6: songs like yesterday because that was blasting everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I reckon just hydrate as well. I reckon lots of

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01:52:59,693 --> 01:53:01,733
Speaker 3: you know, lots of and I and by that I

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01:53:01,813 --> 01:53:06,933
Speaker 3: mean water because yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, just there maybe

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01:53:06,973 --> 01:53:09,173
Speaker 3: a couple of bananas, bit of potassium in the system,

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01:53:09,253 --> 01:53:12,413
Speaker 3: you know, like you're just going to need You've got

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Speaker 3: to pay some of these things.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 6: It's just that, you know, the fans they bring out.

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Speaker 6: I've been at a Liam Gallagha show before, and they

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Speaker 6: bring out this x PAC community who are having, you know,

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01:53:22,253 --> 01:53:25,253
Speaker 6: the night of their lives. They're four or five drinks deep,

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01:53:25,293 --> 01:53:27,333
Speaker 6: they've got to arms around each other, and they're singing

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Speaker 6: these songs. You know, they're playing exclusively songs from the

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Speaker 6: ninety seven ninety eight period, the first two big albums.

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Speaker 6: It's it's just, you know, they're making all this money,

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Speaker 6: but also they're making people so happy, and that's why

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Speaker 6: I think no one's holding it against them.

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Speaker 3: No, no, of course, absolutely so. So do you reckon

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Speaker 3: this is it? Do you reckon they might do? Given

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Speaker 3: them made it through this, they might do another tour

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Speaker 3: in the years to come.

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Speaker 6: There's too much money on the table, Jack one hundred percent.

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Speaker 6: They're doing more shots, for sure. I can't see this

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Speaker 6: being it. Money talks and nostyle is huge at the

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Speaker 6: moment too, you.

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Speaker 3: Know it is especially with that generation. I suppose this

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Speaker 3: is the this is the first thing for that generation,

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Speaker 3: not the first thing, but you know, it really taps

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Speaker 3: into a generation who are probably feeling nostalgic for the

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Speaker 3: first time in their lives. You know, hey, it sounds amazing. Chris,

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Speaker 3: have a wonderful time tonight. I'm so envious and I

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Speaker 3: can't wait to hear all about it. But we'll be

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Speaker 3: thinking of you.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Jack, you appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Really look forward to it. Chris Schultz is in Sydney

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Speaker 3: ahead of the final Oasis concert tonight. You can see

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Speaker 3: more of Chris's takes on Oasis and the Vibe on

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Speaker 3: a substack. Boiler Room is the name of his substack.

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Speaker 3: We'll pick a good Oasis song just to play out

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Speaker 3: the hour and a couple of minutes. Right now, it's

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Speaker 3: seven to twelve.

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Speaker 1: Cracking way to start your Saturday Saturday morning with Jack

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Speaker 1: dam News Talks.

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Speaker 3: Be okay in a few minutes right after the midday news,

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Speaker 3: Jason Pine is going to be in for a weekend

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Speaker 3: sport on News Talks. He'd b but that is for

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Speaker 3: another Saturday morning together. Thank you for your messages throughout

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Speaker 3: the morning. Everything from our show is at News Talks,

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Speaker 3: head b dot co dot nz forward slash Jack. A

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Speaker 3: massive chure to my wonderful producer Libby for doing everything.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna leave you with Oasis ahead of their final

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Speaker 3: show tonight. Wish I was there, but this is live forever.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you next week.

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