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Speaker 2: Heather Duplessy on Drive.

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Speaker 3: Hey, good afternoon, welcome to the show. And coming up today.

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Speaker 3: Winston Peters has warned Kiwis to leave what he's calling

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Speaker 3: the ark of danger, which is Israel and Iran. He's

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Speaker 3: with us after five. Rook van Velden's had to clear

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Speaker 3: up the Prime minister's whoopsie on the sick leave. She's

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Speaker 3: with us after five. And happy days for Pyramid and

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Speaker 3: pools all women because Farmak has done a U turn

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Speaker 3: on the patches kafuffle.

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Speaker 2: Heather Duplassy, Allen, all right, have.

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Speaker 3: A listen to this for me.

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Speaker 4: You've only cut two thousand people for all that noise

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Speaker 4: of you hoeing through the public service. You've lost two

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Speaker 5: Yeah, what were you doing a couple of things there.

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Speaker 5: One is if the trend had continued, you'd have eight

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Speaker 3: That right there is part of the reason why this

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Speaker 3: Bugger all action.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I realized this is a lot to start

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Speaker 3: I was to hear that we've only cut two thousand

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Speaker 3: Minister's explanation is no more than a verbal shrug. This,

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Speaker 3: There is no reason why we have more than double

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Speaker 3: as bad as labor. Well, maybe so, but I hoped

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Speaker 3: that just feels like it's actually labor dressed in blue clothing.

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Speaker 3: And isn't this just the latest example of talk from

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Speaker 3: Every year they add more to the debt. They promise

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Speaker 3: In fact, if they were braver, they might be more popular.

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Speaker 3: Weigh in on it. Nine two nine two is the

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Speaker 3: What would they need? What would they spend the money on?

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Speaker 7: Now? This will be the process where the dogs. We

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Speaker 3: Hey Listen, I see that Safe has put out a

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Speaker 3: Brilliant He listen, Edward, thank you very much for talking

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Speaker 3: us through. To appreciate your time. That's Edward Reynolds, Greyhound Racing,

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Speaker 3: New Zealand CEO. See the texts coming in. I'm going

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Speaker 3: They are now going to fund both of the patches.

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Speaker 3: Zeb Jason Pie and sports talk Hoosters of us A Piney, Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 3: So Auckland said he lose ten nil to this German squad.

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Speaker 3: How embarrassed should we be?

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Speaker 10: Ah, Look, no one wants to lose ten nil. There's

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Speaker 10: always looked like it was going to be a mismatch.

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Speaker 10: Someone said to me yesterday Auckland City against Buyer Munich,

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Speaker 10: Look, yeah they'll lose, but it might be like a

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Speaker 10: three or four nil. I didn't expect ten nil. I

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Speaker 10: buying Munich are that would just show ruthless efficiency in

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Speaker 10: many ways. I kind of rate the fact they didn't

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Speaker 10: ease off. They could have easily done that. It's a

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Speaker 10: not Auckland FC for people who are confused, it's Auckland City.

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Speaker 10: They are amateur players. Their airdressers and real estate agents

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Speaker 10: seen this coming. They've been very good domestically here for

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Speaker 9: Isn't that bang on? Yes, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: So why did they do that?

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Speaker 10: Only one reason, Heather, and if you know FIFA, yeah,

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Speaker 10: you've got it in one. That's the only reason. It's

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Speaker 10: to further inflate the bank balance at FIFA. HQ, You're right,

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Speaker 10: used to be seven teams Auckland City normally qualified for it.

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Speaker 10: that would go through and Auckland City more often than

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Speaker 10: group of four. They've got to play ben Fica and

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Speaker 10: Boker Juniors, you know, two big teams from Portugal and

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Speaker 10: from Argentina, so it's a group of death for them. Look,

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Speaker 10: it's a great experience, but I'm not sure you want

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Speaker 10: to be losing ten.

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Speaker 3: Now, Okay. I looked at him, thought, finally, if there's

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Speaker 3: to get better. But how long is that going to take?

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Speaker 3: How many years?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, don't I don't know that this is an improvement

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Speaker 10: situation necessarily. Heither, I don't think that this is you know,

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Speaker 10: Auckland City, like I say, are an amateur football team

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Speaker 10: who do well domestically and use this would be like

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Speaker 10: this would be like a club team in the UK,

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Speaker 10: a club rugby team who have jobs during the day,

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Speaker 10: playing against the All Blacks. That is what it is like.

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Speaker 10: It is like it is an amateur team against one

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Speaker 9: That is what this is. It's a mismatch.

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Speaker 10: And like I say, even as I'm saying these words,

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Speaker 10: I don't know why I didn't predict a highest school

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Speaker 3: They don't even play in New Zealand. Not even part

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Speaker 3: He said, oh, we've added seven hundred corrections officers or

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Speaker 3: Seven hundred frontline job officers, jobs like correct offices. Just

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Speaker 3: Hither I changed my voting allegiance to National as they

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Speaker 2: Their days coming.

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Speaker 13: Are you?

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Speaker 3: Are you just standing there at the door letting people

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Speaker 3: the public sector. Listen. Rules are tightening up on the

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Speaker 3: The Minnesota shooting suspect has been arrested. He surrendered shortly

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Speaker 16: This is a very positive conclusion to a very dangerous situation.

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Speaker 16: Other people could have been injured or killed. The suspect

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Speaker 2: This is a good ending.

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Speaker 3: And finally, if former NASA official reckons UFOs don't come

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Speaker 1: International Correspondence with Ends and Eye Insurance, Peace of Mind

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Speaker 3: Olli Peterson sixty U Perth Life Presenters with us OLI.

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Speaker 3: Hello mate yet ahead that So, what's Elbogna say to Trumpy.

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Speaker 18: Well, he's going to tell him that he should put

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Speaker 18: I'm just hoping that Donald Trump remembers his name because

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Speaker 3: I mean only be fair to Trump. Biden, remember, but

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Speaker 2: Well maybe we are.

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Speaker 18: It's a bit like New Zealand. But I think that

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Speaker 9: So that's probably where it's going to light land.

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Speaker 3: That's probably How were you guys feeling about this Orchestra review?

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Speaker 3: Do you see this as just sort of going through

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Speaker 18: I think that's the optimistic view for most Australians. But

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Speaker 18: That's going to happen, Heather. So this is a this

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Speaker 3: Now, how does Chap end up getting shot in Balley?

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Speaker 18: It's something like thirty odd shots and you can hear it.

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Speaker 18: But police have Just a short time ago Heather arrested

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Speaker 18: a suspects related to that shooting incident which has killed

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Speaker 18: an ossie and another injured another in Bali. Zivan Radmanovich

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Speaker 18: was killed on Saturday when two men broke into the

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Speaker 18: villa he was staying in the tourist hot spot of

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Speaker 18: Can they do.

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Speaker 3: Have or the dead man.

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Speaker 18: Now, Zevan Radmanovich has links to the Melbourne underworld, so

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Speaker 18: we all think of when I say that underbelly and

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Speaker 18: that successful series of about fifteen years ago, those gangland

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Speaker 18: shootings in Melbourne have now moved to Ballei, which is

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Speaker 18: for all sorts of reasons very worrying. But Balley Police

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Speaker 18: are they now arrested a suspect related to that shooting

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Speaker 18: incident and they have not released any more information at

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Speaker 18: this moment. Witnesses heard men with the Aussie accents fleeing

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Speaker 18: the scene, so it is believed the shooter may be

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Speaker 18: known to the victim. But obviously that is just breaking

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Speaker 18: news which is coming out of den Pasar as we speak.

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Speaker 13: Ollie.

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Speaker 3: Now, this business with Amazon investing all this money and

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Speaker 3: data centers, why why Australia.

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Speaker 18: Well, they say a demand is growing over here, the

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Speaker 18: fact that we need it. We need a bigger data center.

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Speaker 18: We're gonna be a regional data center. So look, maybe

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Speaker 18: some of what you're going to get out of out

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Speaker 18: of these Amazon data centers will be feeding across the Pacific,

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Speaker 18: and maybe we're going to hold some of some of

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Speaker 18: your data over here as well.

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Speaker 3: I will trust you with it. Thank you, Oli, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Oliver Peterson, six PR Perth Life Presenter. I feel like

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Speaker 3: that was supposed to sound slightly sinister from him. What

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Speaker 3: do you think? What about by what?

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Speaker 6: Jeez?

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Speaker 3: The Prime minister's having a day of it, isn't he?

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Speaker 3: So he's basically the Prime minister is the reason why

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Speaker 3: we've had this big sickly kerfuffle today. So I was

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Speaker 3: listening to obviously, I was listening to him with Mike

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Speaker 3: this morning, as we all were, and I heard him say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Brookmanvelden's looking at cutting sickly from ten days to five days.

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Speaker 13: I thought, geez, are you sure, mate?

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Speaker 3: That's not your government policy. It's alarming when I know

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Speaker 3: more about his government's policy than he does. Because then

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Speaker 3: he went on another radio station, Arin Zid repeat it.

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Speaker 3: They obviously they were listening to Mike as well, because

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Speaker 3: of course they were, because they want to know what's

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Speaker 3: going on in the world. So they said, oh, we

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Speaker 3: better ask the Prime minister that question. So they asked

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Speaker 3: him the question, and even by then he didn't like

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Speaker 3: he should have been like, why all these people asked

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Speaker 3: me this question? Mat He said, Yep, Brook's looking at

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Speaker 3: it ten days down to five, I thought, geez, you're

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Speaker 3: repeating it. What's wrong with you? Anyway, it's not true

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Speaker 3: because that's not the government's policy. So Brooks had to

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Speaker 3: come out today and clear it up, and she said

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Speaker 3: to go, no, we're not doing that. Actually, we're just

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Speaker 3: doing the pro rata thing, which is where if you're

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Speaker 3: part time you get five days and if you're full

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Speaker 3: time you get ten days because and you know, if

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Speaker 3: you work thirty percent of the time, you get thirty

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Speaker 3: percent of the second leaf. Blah blah blah. That totally

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Speaker 3: makes sense. Anyway, I feel a bit sorry for Brooke

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Speaker 3: because Brooke actually had a really great announcement today, which

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Speaker 3: was that she was bumping up because you know, Brooke

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Speaker 3: Brook taketh a lot, you know, from the women, and

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Speaker 3: so she's responsible for that. So she's announced today she's

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Speaker 3: bumping up the old pay parental leave and that was

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Speaker 3: a good news story. But it got completely Oh nobody's

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Speaker 3: talking about that, are they. They're talking about how they

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Speaker 3: almost took the sick leave away from us and then didn't. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: so we're getting Brook on the show after five o'clock,

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Speaker 3: so brook can at least have her chance to shine

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Speaker 3: outside of the shadow that her prime minister has cast

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Speaker 3: on her. Jeez, what a day for Chris seventeen away

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Speaker 3: from five.

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Speaker 1: Politics was centrics credit, check your customers and get payment certainty.

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Speaker 3: Thomas Coglan, the Herald's political editors with us. Now, hey, Thomas,

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Speaker 3: A good afternoon. Okay, So the sick leav kerfuffle that

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Speaker 3: was unnecessary, wasn't it?

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Speaker 19: That was quite unnecessary? The Prime Minister on his morning

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Speaker 19: media around this morning, was asked about whether or not

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Speaker 19: the government was looking to reduce the number of sick

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Speaker 19: days that that workers get. He basically alluded to the

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Speaker 19: fact that brook van Velden was doing work in this

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Speaker 19: area and that, you know, options were open to the government.

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Speaker 19: So everyone quickly he wrote up stories that suggested that

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Speaker 19: that said that the government was open to, you know,

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Speaker 19: halving people's sick leave entitlements. Brook van Velden quickly poured

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Speaker 19: cold water on this. The government is looking at a

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Speaker 19: system for part time workers, like a pro rated style system.

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Speaker 19: So that's Brooklyn Veldin's exactly as we might need to

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Speaker 19: do things about pro rating sick leave as well, because

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Speaker 19: people who are on time part time contracts are getting

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Speaker 19: full time ten day equivalency. A pardon me that was

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Speaker 19: that was Prime Minister Christopher Latson's remark. But but we're

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Speaker 19: we're not looking at completely having the the the entitlement

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Speaker 19: from ten days to five days. So a bit of

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Speaker 19: a bit of a miss.

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Speaker 3: So he caused his own government kerfuffle for the day.

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Speaker 3: Now would you expect I would have I would expect

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Speaker 3: that he knows better than this what's going on?

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Speaker 11: All right?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, he is.

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Speaker 19: He does have quite an executive or chair of the

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Speaker 19: board style where he's not in the weeds any py

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Speaker 19: minister's portfolios. I think that has a benefit. I think

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Speaker 19: you'd see, like just into a don sometimes would would

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Speaker 19: get quite in the weeds and other people's portfolios. Christopher

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Speaker 19: Latson is that isn't Thomas.

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Speaker 3: There are better examples there. Helen Clark was across absolutely

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Speaker 3: every single piece of detail, even if she wasn't a micromanager,

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Speaker 3: and so was John Key. They would never make mistakes

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Speaker 3: like this.

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Speaker 19: Yes, and that is the other side of it, you know.

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Speaker 19: I mean Helen Clark and John Key remarkable for probably

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Speaker 19: knowing more about some portfolios than the ministers that held them,

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Speaker 19: and and the issue.

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Speaker 3: Even if you didn't know, right, even if you weren't

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Speaker 3: across all of these details, surely you just it would

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Speaker 3: occur to you as a politician that taking away fifty

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Speaker 3: percent of someone sickly would be a reasonably big political issue,

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Speaker 3: and maybe you wouldn't just say that out loud.

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Speaker 19: Well, I am surprised, as you say, I'm surprised that

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Speaker 19: that there isn't a book of you know, red flags

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Speaker 19: that the pre Minister is aware of. That it was

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Speaker 19: sort of like like that old mind sweeper game that

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Speaker 19: used to play on old computers. I'm surprised that that

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Speaker 19: that that he doesn't have it at a hand, the

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Speaker 19: sort of a knowledge of the very real issues that

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Speaker 19: the government's going to face in the next six months

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Speaker 19: and knows how to handle them delicately. But but yeah,

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Speaker 19: you know, yeah, it is.

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Speaker 7: It is.

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Speaker 19: He probably lost a very valuable morning when he probably

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Speaker 19: want to be talking.

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Speaker 3: About I mean, not the biggest, not the biggest mistake

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Speaker 3: in the world, right, But but but it's forming a

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Speaker 3: bit of a pattern because it's not the first time

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Speaker 3: he's done this, is.

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Speaker 19: It he is he is very easily, he very easily

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Speaker 19: talked White ties himself a knots of the morning there.

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Speaker 19: I just did it myself on the on the morning

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Speaker 19: media circuit. He he, It is that detailed issue. And

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Speaker 19: when when when people Smith sniff that he has gone

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Speaker 19: off topic or he doesn't know what he's talking about,

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Speaker 19: you know, that's where he really he really leads leads

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Speaker 19: himself astray. And it didn't that didn't need to be

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Speaker 19: the spad he I mean just into were doing again.

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Speaker 19: She could quite definitely sort of stone more people. It

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Speaker 19: was annoying because you knew she wasn't giving you the

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Speaker 19: whole answer. It was very annoying from time to time,

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Speaker 19: but but it did avoid situations like this.

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Speaker 3: Now he will be much happier. I think this is

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Speaker 3: his happy place when he's off around the world doing

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Speaker 3: doing foreign policy. So he's heading to China tomorrow.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah, very early in the morning, so he's he's

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Speaker 19: he's catching the dreaded boeing to China. It's a it's

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Speaker 19: a you know, the government's defense force plane doesn't have

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Speaker 19: a very long range, so it's going to take three

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Speaker 19: flights to get to get to China. It is his

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Speaker 19: happy place. Tourism and international education are the big goals

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Speaker 19: of the trip Chinese visitor arrivals. The Chinese tourism market

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Speaker 19: is sixty percent of pre COVID level, so we really

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Speaker 19: need to get that back up. There's a visa announcement

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Speaker 19: this weekend to make it easier if you're a Chinese

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Speaker 19: tourist with a visa for Australia, much easier now to

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Speaker 19: hop across the ditch to New Zealand. So that seems

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Speaker 19: like a really really positive initiative. International education is the

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Speaker 19: other big one for New Zealand schools and universities, so

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Speaker 19: they're trying to ang some deals to get a bit

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Speaker 19: of that, a bit of that coming back to New

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Speaker 19: Zealand as well. It is his heavy place. He likes

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Speaker 19: that he's quite good at it. He hasn't been to

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Speaker 19: China before his Prime minister, so we'll see how he

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Speaker 19: does there.

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Speaker 3: Good stuff, Hey, Thomas, as always, thank you so much, mate, appreciated.

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Speaker 3: That's Thomas Coglan, The Herald's political editor. Air is nine

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Speaker 3: away from.

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Speaker 1: Five putting the tough questions to the newspakers, the mic

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Speaker 1: asking breakfast.

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Speaker 4: Time is where there's twenty seven thousand people more are

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Speaker 4: on a benefit in May that once again is not

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Speaker 4: a good for the economy.

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Speaker 2: What's happening. No, that's not good.

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Speaker 5: We're trying to get spending under control, which gets inflation down,

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Speaker 5: gets interest rates down, gets the economy growing.

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Speaker 2: That's good the last. But the le figures as the unemployment.

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Speaker 2: That part fell apart.

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Speaker 4: Your theory was you've got your spending under control to

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Speaker 4: a agree where this point now stuck. Well, no run

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Speaker 4: out of part way donantcy where the economy is growing.

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Speaker 4: That theory that April may was a problem, but hang

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Speaker 4: on the latter part of twenty five will be fine.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't seem as real as it once did.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we always knew unemployments the last, but

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Speaker 5: that has to come right after those first four bits.

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Speaker 4: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 4: the Defender Octor News Talk z B.

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Speaker 3: Hither we almost got a break for small business. It's

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Speaker 3: always that one employee that uses the five days six

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Speaker 3: leave to take the person. Now they use the ten

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Speaker 3: days sick leave to take the piss dave, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much.

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Speaker 2: So there is a.

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Speaker 3: Little bit of them. Of course, there will be a

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Speaker 3: little bit of an appetite for that. Hey, Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: is considering adding another thirty six countries to the travel

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Speaker 3: band list, and this time it's country is actually not

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Speaker 3: that far from US, including Tonga, Tuvalu, and Vanawante. Now

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Speaker 3: they haven't said why, but the existing list had a

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Speaker 3: bunch of reasons for why any country might be added,

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Speaker 3: and it's not all of the reasons. It could be

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Speaker 3: any one of these reasons, but it might be foreign

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Speaker 3: terrorists come from that part of the world, or other

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Speaker 3: national security threats. Lack of a competent government, lack of

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Speaker 3: a cooperative government. For example, if the US asks them

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Speaker 3: to take certain people off lists and stuff and they

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Speaker 3: don't do it, then they're not cooperative. Lack of reliable

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Speaker 3: identification documents like passports, anti Semitic, anti American. Could be

654
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Speaker 3: any of those reasons. Not sure at the moment which

655
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Speaker 3: one it is. Fozzy. Now Fozzy's book has come out

656
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Speaker 3: there is well, actually Fozzy's book officially comes out in

657
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Speaker 3: two days time, but an extract of Fozzy's book has

658
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Speaker 3: been published over the weekend and man Alive. I don't

659
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Speaker 3: know if you read this, but boy did he have

660
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Speaker 3: a breakdown in the relationship between himself and Mark Robinson,

661
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Speaker 3: who's now headed out the door. As well. He tells

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Speaker 3: in this particular extract that was published in the Herald,

663
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Speaker 3: He's in South Africa and they have just remembered. Remember

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Speaker 3: there was all that talk about Fozzy needing to be

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Speaker 3: fired at this stage, and Mark Robinson flew over to

666
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Speaker 3: South Africa basically to fire him. But then they won

667
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Speaker 3: the Test against South Africa and then the firing was off.

668
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Speaker 3: And so he tells about that. He said that. So

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Speaker 3: he says, the All Blacks leaders like Sam Caine and

670
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Speaker 3: Ardie Savier and stuff had a meeting with called a

671
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Speaker 3: meetings Mark Robinson basically to advocate on Fozzy's behalf. That

672
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Speaker 3: evening there was a rooftop barbecue held for the team

673
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Speaker 3: at the hotel and when Robo came back he had

674
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Speaker 3: finished that meeting. He sat down near me and tried

675
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Speaker 3: to chat normally. That was good. I was pleased he

676
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Speaker 3: was there and enjoying the moment. But the respect I'd

677
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Speaker 3: had for him previously had changed. It was a hard

678
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Speaker 3: relationship for me to figure out how to be because

679
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Speaker 3: I felt there were so many things happening around me

680
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: and behind me. There was not a lot of trust

681
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Speaker 3: between us anymore. I would even say there was zero trust.

682
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Speaker 3: I went to bed feeling satisfied with what we had

683
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: achieved that day, which was the win. As I was

684
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Speaker 3: about to turn out the light, my phone lit up

685
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Speaker 3: with a message from Robbo asking if I was available

686
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Speaker 3: for a chat. I knew he was going to do

687
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Speaker 3: a media conference the next day, and what he wanted

688
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Speaker 3: to do was say he'd spoken to me before he

689
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Speaker 3: announced whatever he planned to say the next morning. I

690
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 3: didn't want to ruin my night, so I turned my

691
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Speaker 3: phone off.

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Speaker 13: How brutal is that?

693
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Speaker 3: How do you think Mark Robinson feels about that today?

694
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Speaker 3: Reading they would have opened the paper been like I

695
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: always wondered why Ian Foster. I thought Jesse's in bed early. No, No, Mark,

696
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Speaker 3: he got your text. He just totally blanked you.

697
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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

699
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you what. I'm already loving Fozzy's memoir more

700
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Speaker 3: than Jacinta's Becausejacinda had absolutely no good gossen it whatsoever.

701
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Speaker 3: This is already delivering heaps and heaps. Winston Peters is

702
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Speaker 3: with us next on this situation with Israel and Naran Newstoks.

703
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Speaker 13: He'd be.

704
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Speaker 1: Digging through the spins to find the real story. Ory

705
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Speaker 1: it's hither dups On drive with one New Zealand let's

706
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Speaker 1: get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be.

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Speaker 13: Afternoon.

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Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Winston Peters has warned Kiwis in Iran and

710
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Speaker 3: Israel that they should get out of the ark of

711
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Speaker 3: danger if they can. The conflict between the two countries

712
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Speaker 3: has been escalating their new bombings in both countries today.

713
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Speaker 3: In fact, currently knows of forty six kiwis in Iran

714
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Speaker 3: and seventy nine in Israel, and Winston Peters is with

715
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Speaker 3: us now.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Winston, hello, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm well? Thank you now? As the airspace in both

718
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Speaker 3: of these countries still closed.

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Speaker 12: To the best my knowledge, yes, So how.

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Speaker 3: Do people get out?

721
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Speaker 2: They got to drive.

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Speaker 3: And where do they drive to.

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Speaker 12: The nearest.

724
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Speaker 2: It's a good question.

725
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Speaker 12: Well, if you are you know in Iran you want

726
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 12: to get at Isa Bazaan, that'll be eight hours driving,

727
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 12: but then you'll need to be ensure that you can

728
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Speaker 12: make the distance. And these are all sort of considerations

729
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 12: where we are trying to help people if they're seeing advice.

730
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Speaker 3: And does it sound like these people actually plan to leave?

731
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Speaker 2: It depends.

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Speaker 12: It's the evolving and possibly worstening situation that will make

733
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Speaker 12: people's minds up all we can do is given the

734
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Speaker 12: best advice possible on an hourly basis.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes Winston, how long do you think this is going

736
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Speaker 3: to go on for?

737
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Speaker 2: Well, I hope not for too long.

738
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Speaker 12: And really it's a great concerned because basically, in the

739
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 12: end this country is for peace not war. I mean,

740
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Speaker 12: are where for diplomacy and talking rather than fighting and

741
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Speaker 12: all the misery that goes with that.

742
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Speaker 3: We had Elger Lispi on the show on Friday. He

743
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 3: reckons this is not World War three. It'll be contained

744
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 3: regionally basically because doesn't have any allies will come to

745
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Speaker 3: its assistance.

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Speaker 12: What do you think, Well, because the Ruan's past behavior

747
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 12: and the number of proxies they've got doing horrific things

748
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 12: in the Middle East, he could be right. But I've

749
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Speaker 12: never made a comment about a certainty here into the

750
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Speaker 12: future without being ultra cautious about things like that. Our

751
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 12: job is to try and bring about peace.

752
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Speaker 3: And now do you think that Israel has done the

753
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Speaker 3: right thing?

754
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Speaker 12: Well, look, we're not excusing anyone because we say at

755
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 12: this point in time, there are no innocent actors. At

756
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 12: a certain time. Your justification for your behavior if it

757
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 12: is prolonged and out of all proportion to the original offense.

758
00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 12: Then that changes the script. But our job is to,

759
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 12: as I say, keep New Zealanders out of harm's way.

760
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Speaker 12: O post military conflict in esculation, our post in nuclear run.

761
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Speaker 12: We opposed to people starving in the streets and dying

762
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Speaker 12: for military contact conflict. Brother, and we've designated certain people

763
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Speaker 12: as being terrorists because by.

764
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Speaker 2: Reason of their behavior.

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Speaker 12: Okay, we've totally balanced about this.

766
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Speaker 3: Well, if we don't want a nuclear armed to run,

767
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: then you're going to have to blow up their nuclear

768
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Speaker 3: facilities or take out some of the key players, which

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Speaker 3: Israel has done. Therefore Israel has done the right thing.

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Speaker 12: No Ah, Look, we do not look at things that

771
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Speaker 12: way in terms of making an answer. The legality of

772
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 12: what a country is doing is based on the evidence

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Speaker 12: that they can provide, and that's yet to come.

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Speaker 3: All right, Winston, thank you, has always appreciate it. Winston

775
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Speaker 3: Peter's Foreign.

776
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Speaker 2: Minister together do for see Ellen, let's get to.

777
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Speaker 3: The bottom of what is happening with sick leaves. So

778
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 3: the Prime Minister hinted this morning that the current ten

779
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 3: day allowance might be cut back to five.

780
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Speaker 5: Well, there's some changes coming through on workplace relations where

781
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Speaker 5: we go.

782
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 4: So we had five sick days until just decided we

783
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Speaker 4: needed ten correct for COVID. COVID's now can we agree

784
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 4: that it's gone? Yes, and we might need to know

785
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Speaker 4: something about sickly.

786
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Speaker 3: We might need to Brook van Velden is the workplace

787
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Speaker 3: relations minister?

788
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Speaker 9: Hebrook, Hey, Heather, how are you?

789
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 2: Well?

790
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Speaker 3: Thank you? Are you cutting it back then?

791
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Speaker 6: No?

792
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Speaker 20: So let me just clarify a few things. So what

793
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Speaker 20: we are doing is saying, is it fear that someone

794
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Speaker 20: who works maybe one day a week two days a

795
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Speaker 20: week gets the same sickle entitlement as someone who works

796
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Speaker 20: full time? We would say no as a government, but

797
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Speaker 20: there's there's no agreement from cabinet at the stage to

798
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Speaker 20: look at changing the overall ten day entitlement and strip

799
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Speaker 20: that back to five. We've only agreed to pro rating sickly.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So how did you feel when you heard the

801
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 3: Prime Minister saying this on not one but two radio

802
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: stations this morning.

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Speaker 20: Well, look, I think we've also just got to, you know,

804
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 20: give people the ability to be human. You know, I

805
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 20: don't expect anyone to be an encyclopedia from year ago.

806
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Speaker 13: Don't make excuses, Brook.

807
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Speaker 3: I listened to it. I thought, geez, that's not your

808
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 3: government policy. I'm just a numpty listening to the radio.

809
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Speaker 3: If I knew it, Why didn't he know what his

810
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: government's policy is?

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Speaker 20: Well, look, this was this was a discussion that we

812
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Speaker 20: had about a year ago. Now, so look, I think

813
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 20: we've got.

814
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Speaker 19: To give it.

815
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Speaker 3: Did you consider it at that stage?

816
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Speaker 20: Look, I did go to a cabinet and ask, you know,

817
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 20: what did people want to do with the sickly provision.

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Speaker 20: What came out of that discussion was we weren't touching

819
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Speaker 20: the overall kind of ten day area, but we were

820
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 20: looking at so it was discussed. Oh I think you know,

821
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 20: we discuss a lot of things.

822
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Speaker 3: I'm just trying to where this is important with him.

823
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Speaker 3: Never mind, it's okay, I see.

824
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Speaker 20: You, yes, but it's important what we actually ended up with.

825
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was that we were covering. You should as

826
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Speaker 3: you should. But I feel frustrated for you, Brooke, because

827
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Speaker 3: what you obviously wanted to talk about today was not

828
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Speaker 3: what you're not doing with sickly, but what you are

829
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Speaker 3: doing with paid parental leave. So you're bumping it up,

830
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Speaker 3: are you?

831
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Speaker 20: That's right? So paid parental leave will be going up

832
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 20: to seven hundred and eighty eight dollars. I think that's

833
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,479
Speaker 20: a thirty four dollars increase on the first of July.

834
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Speaker 20: And I know a lot of people have been struggling

835
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Speaker 20: with cost of living, but really importantly, people who just

836
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 20: have a newborn will also be struggling while they are

837
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Speaker 20: away from work, so the entitlement will be going up.

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Speaker 20: And I really congratulate anybody who has a beautiful new Bailey, thank.

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Speaker 2: You who plays relations minister hell Dull.

840
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Speaker 3: All things get weird sometimes. Hey, Woolworth's is introducing an

841
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 3: onion that won't make you cry. I'm going to tell

842
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 3: you about that shortly, but I have to tell you

843
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: about this is absolutely my favorite thing that I've read today.

844
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Speaker 3: The Taxpayers Union has revealed that the Department of Conservation

845
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Speaker 3: has spent four hundred and twelve thousand dollars saving snails,

846
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 3: in particular the endangered southern powly Fanta Augusta snails. I know,

847
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: I mean I like them too, so I who even

848
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 3: knows what these snails are? Southern poorly fanta or Gusta snails? Anyway,

849
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,360
Speaker 3: they live on so what's happened to they live on

850
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Speaker 3: the West Coast? Solid Energy was looking after them while

851
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,320
Speaker 3: it was mucking around with their natural you know, habitat,

852
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:10,760
Speaker 3: and so it was looking after them. But then it collapsed.

853
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 3: So Doc had to start looking after them and try

854
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Speaker 3: to get the vegetation and the habitat up to speed

855
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Speaker 3: again and stuff. Doc's actually been going gangbusters on it.

856
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Speaker 3: They have introduced ten thousand of these snails and their

857
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Speaker 3: little legs into the wild. They've managed to breed thousands

858
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Speaker 3: of them. Like these guys, it's just I mean, these

859
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Speaker 3: snails are prolific, right, so it doesn't sound like they're

860
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Speaker 3: that endangered, do you know what I mean, Like if

861
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 3: you're introducing ten thousand anyway. Anyway, meanwhile, just in case,

862
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Speaker 3: in case, in case something goes terribly out there on

863
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Speaker 3: the West coast and the snails, you know whatever, I

864
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Speaker 3: don't know die. They have kept some of these snails

865
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Speaker 3: in fridges in a hook Atika for twenty years. That's

866
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Speaker 3: what's costing us this money. They're keeping them in fridges

867
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Speaker 3: for twenty years just in case, as an insurance policy,

868
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Speaker 3: maybe against themselves, because another fact is that Doc has

869
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Speaker 3: managed to kill over eight hundred of these snails themselves

870
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 3: by accident. But anyway, if you're wondering where your money's

871
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 3: going and why Doc has got no money because of

872
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: the snails quarter past man. How much do you love

873
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Speaker 2: Zgether do for see Allen.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen past five. No more cheap hits for your vaping friends. Ah,

893
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: the rules change from tomorrow. The disposable vaping products will

894
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 3: be banned. Dr Jude Hall is a senior research fellow

895
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 3: for the Aspire ALCIA or Tobacco Control Research Group. Hi, Jude, Hi,

896
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 3: This is not really a sector that's known for following

897
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 3: the rules. So are they going to follow the rules

898
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: from tomorrow? Do you think?

899
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 21: Well, that's a great question. And what we've seen overseas

900
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 21: is that noncompliance has been a problem. So the effectiveness

901
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 21: of this rule, these rules are really going to depend

902
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 21: on whether they're strictly enforced or not.

903
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 11: Yeah.

904
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 3: And how many enforcement agents have we got?

905
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 21: Oh, that's no question I can answer off the top

906
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 21: of my head.

907
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Speaker 6: Not a lot.

908
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 21: Though the number has gone up, but it's still not

909
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 21: a lot.

910
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 14: You're right.

911
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 11: What do they do?

912
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: Do they go around actually visiting the vape shops?

913
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 22: Yes?

914
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 11: They do?

915
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 3: Okay, So do you expect it will be enforced?

916
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 21: I certainly hope. So I mean this, these measures are

917
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 21: designed to protect children and young people from a predatory industry.

918
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 21: So without that enforcement, they're really meaningless.

919
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: Is it also the case that from tomorrow there's basically

920
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 3: no advertising allowed.

921
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 22: Yeah, that's right.

922
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 21: So there have been some loopholes, but from tomorrow the

923
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 21: visibility of vapes and the way they're marketed will be

924
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 21: very much more like tobacco. So in the dairies, service

925
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 21: stations have to be out of sight, and vape retailers

926
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Speaker 21: can no longer email their customers with discounts and clubs

927
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Speaker 21: and promoting new flavors and products and so on.

928
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 3: What about if you go on what about if you

929
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 3: go onto a vaping website? Can you actually buy something online?

930
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 3: Can you actually see what the product is that you're

931
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: trying to buy, because if it's not supposed to, if

932
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 3: it's not supposed to be displayed, it kind of it

933
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,840
Speaker 3: feels like that may become a problem.

934
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Speaker 21: Well, the law does include websites, so from tomorrow websites

935
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Speaker 21: won't be able to display images of vaping products.

936
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Speaker 3: How are people going to know what they're buying?

937
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Speaker 14: I mean, not that I cared, it's a great question.

938
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Speaker 21: So I mean it's going to be less viable probably

939
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Speaker 21: for people to buy online. They'll be able to see

940
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Speaker 21: the product name in the price. If it's something they're

941
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 21: used to buying, fine, but otherwise could be problematic.

942
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Speaker 3: Jude, where are we at now? I mean, the science

943
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 3: around this is kind of, you know, evolving as we go,

944
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 3: but we are we still sure that vapes are better

945
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: than fags.

946
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Speaker 21: Someone made the analogy to me. It's like, would you rather,

947
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:39,839
Speaker 21: as a pedestrian, be hit by a motorcycle or hit

948
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 21: by a truck. You know, they're both bad. One's worse

949
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Speaker 21: than the other, But the healthiest thing is to be

950
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Speaker 21: vape free and smoke free.

951
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: Jude, thank you very much appreciated. Jude Ball, Senior Research

952
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 3: Fellow Aspire ALTA or Tobacco Control Research Group. Heather, if

953
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Speaker 3: you slice the onion in the correct way, it doesn't

954
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: make your eyes water, So why waste money creating a

955
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: new one? Murray? That's that's bs, isn't it. That's not true?

956
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 3: Which way I can, Murray if you believe, if you

957
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: truly believe that, tell me which way you've got to

958
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 3: slice the onion in order to make it not make

959
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: your eyes water? Anyway, So I'll tell you about it.

960
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 3: I'll tell you about it in a minute. I'll tell

961
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 3: you that in a minute. Five twenty two.

962
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Speaker 1: Checking the point of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen

963
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Speaker 1: drive with one New Zealand, let's get connected and youth dogs.

964
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Speaker 3: They'd be five twenty four. Now, how ironic is it,

965
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 3: by the way, that Brimworth is the carpet company that's

966
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 3: been chosen to do the wool carpets for state houses.

967
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,960
Speaker 3: They outed themselves on Friday as having won that contract.

968
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: It's ironic because Brimworth just gave up trying to sell

969
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: only wool to you and I.

970
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 13: They remember this.

971
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 3: They declared themselves wool only. They launched a massive marketing campaign.

972
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 3: It went hard on it. They tried, and they tried

973
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 3: for five years, and in the end, about a month ago,

974
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 3: they gave up and they decided they would be selling

975
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: us nylon carpets as well, because that's what we want

976
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 3: to buy. Dreamworth has found out that wool only didn't

977
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 3: work in the real world, but wool only does work

978
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: with the government apparently because it is wool only in

979
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,800
Speaker 3: the state houses. That is ironic, isn't it? Doesn't that

980
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: just say everything. It's the difference between the private and

981
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 3: the public sector. Now, I have said before, I love

982
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 3: the wool, I love natural fibers. I love our farmers.

983
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: I really would love it if our sheep farmers could

984
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 3: do well, but in the free market, not because we're

985
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 3: subsidizing them, and we are. The wool carpets that we're

986
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 3: going to be buying for the state houses are more

987
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 3: expensive than the nylon carpets that we were going to buy.

988
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: How much more expensive we don't know. They won't say,

989
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: but it's definitely more expensive.

990
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:38,799
Speaker 1: Now.

991
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a smart move for us as

992
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: the taxpayer, to artificially support an industry by making a

993
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 3: rule that we can only use more expensive wool for

994
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 3: state houses. Muldoon tried that, As I've said before, look

995
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: where that got us. When I carpeted my house, I

996
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 3: went for synthetics. I did that twice because it's cheaper.

997
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 3: So how ironic is it that state houses have wool

998
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 3: carpets that the rest of us don't want to pay for.

999
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 20: The sea.

1000
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 3: Give an health and safety at work. They've given me

1001
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:10,759
Speaker 3: quite a big knife. How big is this knife? Snife is?

1002
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 3: That's a seven inch knife? Okay, Woolworths has launched itself

1003
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 3: the Tearless Onions. It says, if you want to be

1004
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 3: able to slice an onion without crying your eyes out.

1005
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: You've got to buy one of these puppies they called

1006
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 3: the happy Chopped tearless onions. I've got it in front

1007
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 3: of me. I'm just cutting it open.

1008
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: Now.

1009
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: What it is, Jesus knife, is rubbish, lower pyruvic acid

1010
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: level apparently, because it's the pyruvic acids that cause the tears. Right,

1011
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 3: so they've put legs of that in your onion. Still sweet,

1012
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 3: they say, so's still a bit yummy. And what they

1013
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 3: want me to do is they want me to chop

1014
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 3: it all right. Well, no, they don't want me to

1015
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: chop it because because I'm going to tell you the truth.

1016
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 3: They just want me to tell you that you should

1017
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: buy this. But I'm going to chop it hanging a tick. Okay,

1018
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 3: there we go. We'll chopped the onion and I'm gonna

1019
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 3: hold I'm gonna hold it under my eyes like like

1020
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: too little rain catching, like tear catch.

1021
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 9: You do that every time you can on.

1022
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: This is what I'm gonna see, doing a real life

1023
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 3: test to see if this is gonna make your eyes water.

1024
00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: I'll tell you after the news. I'm just sit here

1025
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 3: the whole way through Okay.

1026
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 2: After making the news, the news makers talk to you.

1027
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: Heather first, it's hither duplessy elan drive with one New

1028
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talk.

1029
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: Sa'd be.

1030
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,320
Speaker 4: Not crying.

1031
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 3: I've been sitting here this whole time with this chop.

1032
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 3: I even because I watched the text coming in and

1033
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 3: people will saying, no, no, no, you can't just sit

1034
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 3: there with the onions under your eyes. Cut them half

1035
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: along the equator. You have to chop it. I chopped

1036
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 3: it up all over the board. I mean, like, I'll

1037
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 3: be honest, if there's a bit of it in your

1038
00:48:59,080 --> 00:49:02,400
Speaker 3: eye but there's no tear. Well, this is my life anyway.

1039
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. Okay, so the taste, it's got

1040
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: to be it's also got to taste like an onion.

1041
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 3: It's okay, Trisha is gonna try it.

1042
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,279
Speaker 13: No, that's no.

1043
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 9: Do you eat your onions? Were all very often?

1044
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: You sometimes don't you when you're chopping it? You think

1045
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 3: I would have a little sneaky little onion while I'm

1046
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 3: chopping my onions.

1047
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,319
Speaker 9: No, no, not not your cave genuinely say it's never

1048
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 9: happened to me.

1049
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 3: Huh. That's a four out of ten. Onion on the taste.

1050
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 3: So if you don't really care to, if you love

1051
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: your onion taste, I don't think this is a winner.

1052
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 3: But you do get a little bit of onion taste

1053
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,879
Speaker 3: without crying your tears, so that's okay, that's not bad.

1054
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 3: Three dollars forty nine perkg as opposed to one dollar

1055
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 3: sixty nine perkg for the full on like Pa, you know,

1056
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: having having a weep onions that you would normally buy. Anyway,

1057
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: Trish also has been sitting here with an onion. She's

1058
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: not crying, No, Laura, the Germans not crying.

1059
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 6: So there you go.

1060
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 3: It does that trick.

1061
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 13: Just not sure that.

1062
00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 3: I'm just not You're only going to get forty percent

1063
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 3: of your onion taste away. Happy days for you, twenty

1064
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 3: three away.

1065
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 2: From six to give a dupl.

1066
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 3: FIREMAK has done the U turn on the estrogen patches,

1067
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 3: so it's going to fund the old Patchestra DOT and

1068
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 3: the new one, the Myeland patches. Because of the backlash,

1069
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 3: people got upset about this. Doctor Linda Deere is a

1070
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 3: clinical director always the clinical director of MENO doctor and

1071
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 3: with us now, heylander, hello, good news, yes.

1072
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 22: Oh, very good news. Yeah, a relief. This is what

1073
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 22: we needed to hear.

1074
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,520
Speaker 3: Do you think anyone's going to go for the myelind

1075
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: or is everybody just going to opt for the old one.

1076
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 22: Well, it's important to say that. You know, some women

1077
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 22: actually get on better with my LAMB than estradot. So although, yeah,

1078
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 22: so we can't all just now all rush out and

1079
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 22: all want to get estradot patches because basically then we

1080
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 22: will run out of them again. Yeah, so we've got

1081
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 22: to bear in mind. It's good to have these options

1082
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 22: because some women actually get on better with myeline than estradot,

1083
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 22: but for other women it was the other way round.

1084
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 22: So losing estradot for those women was just devastating.

1085
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 3: Brilliant Oll, that's fantastically now, Linda, did you see the

1086
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,840
Speaker 3: story about the woman who was refused an insurance policy

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Speaker 3: cover over anything to do with her minopause because she

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Speaker 3: already had it. It was a pre existing health condition.

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Speaker 3: Did you see that?

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Speaker 14: I did.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, someone sent that to me this morning. I mean

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Speaker 22: it's a tricky one in that case. I think they

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Speaker 22: were sort of saying, well, she was already on some HRT, therefore,

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Speaker 22: email way you could say, well, there's that preexisting. The

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Speaker 22: way the article was written, though, it was kind of

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Speaker 22: hard to decipher. But were they saying, actually it was

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Speaker 22: just if she ever gets anything to do with peri

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Speaker 22: or menopause, they're not going to cover it. I don't

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Speaker 22: think that was the message from Southern Cross.

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Speaker 8: I would hope not.

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Speaker 22: And they do cover menopause consultations for some specialties, although

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Speaker 22: unfortunately not for my clinic.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so if you had, if you were covered by insurance,

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Speaker 3: what is it that you would be claiming related to

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Speaker 3: your minopause.

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Speaker 22: Well, to see a specialist to kind of get that

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Speaker 22: tailored invigalized HRT and assessment. So that might be an

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Speaker 22: endocrinologist or a guynecologist or a menopause doctor. Because for

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Speaker 22: a lot of GPS this can be too complicated and

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Speaker 22: difficult and it does take a bit more time in

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Speaker 22: the average fifteen minute GP appointment, and we don't get

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Speaker 22: that much training as GPS on menopause hormone therapy. So

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Speaker 22: a lot of women do need that extra care, that

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Speaker 22: extra expertise.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Linda, thanks very much, I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 3: It's Linda Deer, the clinical director of meno Doctor the.

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Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty. Find you all

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Speaker 1: one of a kind.

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Speaker 3: Onion breath hither? I can smell it from Hawks Bay.

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Speaker 6: You.

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Speaker 3: No, here's the thing, because you're only getting a forty

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Speaker 3: percent onion flavor. You're not getting the onion breath, are you?

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Speaker 3: So maybe if you want to know, munch down on

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Speaker 3: an onion and then head out for a hot date.

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Speaker 3: This is your guy to go to because you're not

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Speaker 3: going to be You're not going to be chasing any

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Speaker 3: vampires away with us? Are you with us? On the huddle?

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Speaker 3: We have Tresherson and Stewart Nash. Hello you too.

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Speaker 11: Hello here there's Trish. How are you well?

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Speaker 3: Thank you?

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Speaker 1: How are you going?

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Speaker 3: Trish? I'll see you faced your onion away from me though.

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Speaker 23: So Stuart, you know you're lucky you're not in the

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Speaker 23: studio because I walked in, I had a cut onion

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Speaker 23: thrust under my eyes and been treated like some sort

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Speaker 23: of human guinea pig.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to tell you what? Would you take

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Speaker 3: a little nibble on that for me and just tell

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Speaker 3: me what you think flavor wise, if we're getting, if

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Speaker 3: we're getting like.

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Speaker 9: I think, it's a forty percent smell of breath. Trish, Well,

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Speaker 9: what do you think.

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Speaker 23: I'm a big onion fan and I think, like with anything,

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Speaker 23: there's no free lunch, so you're not going to get

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Speaker 23: the no tea compromise. There's a trade off here, yeah,

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Speaker 23: and are.

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Speaker 3: You tasting that trade off? It's not too bad, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: not too bad, but not the full oomph Yeah. Okay. Anyways, Stu, So,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you You probably don't care in

1150
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Speaker 3: the slightest about this, but what you'd probably love to

1151
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,719
Speaker 3: do is have a crack at the government. So what's

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Speaker 3: your reaction to the fact that I've only reduced the

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Speaker 3: public servants by two.

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Speaker 9: Thousand at the bottom line?

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Speaker 11: As as David Sima was out after the budget having

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Speaker 11: a real go government. This is a This is an

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Speaker 11: associate Finance Minister's saying publicly that the government hasn't cut

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Speaker 11: spinning enough. In fact, he was the one that highlighted

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Speaker 11: that Grant Ronson was spending less in his our years

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Speaker 11: of this government spending now. So but for me, it's

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Speaker 11: not about cutting. It's not about the number of public

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Speaker 11: servant ship cuts, the quality of services deliver and I

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Speaker 11: just don't think there's been a noticeabill increase at all.

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Speaker 11: In fact that I think there's been an erosion in

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Speaker 11: the quality of publics.

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Speaker 3: Were you surprised by that trusty here it was only

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Speaker 3: down by two thousand after all of this.

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Speaker 23: Well, I heard the Prime Minister this morning on the

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Speaker 23: interview with Mike Hosking and he was sort of dancing

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Speaker 23: around the head of a pin on this and trying

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Speaker 23: to say, oh, look, this is all about getting outcomes

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Speaker 23: in the front line. There's a couple of things here.

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Speaker 23: One is, I think for the government there is a

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Speaker 23: divergence at the moment between what they're saying and the

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Speaker 23: results that New Zealand is a actually seen on the ground.

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Speaker 23: So even if you take there economy, you know there's

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Speaker 23: a lot of hype around going gangbusters, em South going gangbusters.

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Speaker 23: Well that's just not the not the case, and there

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Speaker 23: is a there's there's a real danger in that because

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Speaker 23: you know, New Zealanders are still in tough times. It's

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Speaker 23: a big grind and they really want to see that

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Speaker 23: you know, there is a there is an end in sight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't you think Stu, that we realize as voters

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Speaker 3: that there is something close to something of a crisis

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Speaker 3: going on at the moment right the country is in

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Speaker 3: a really bad way and tough decisions have to be taken.

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Speaker 3: And part of the problem here is the government is

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Speaker 3: not being seen to take those decisions.

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Speaker 11: They're not they're not. You know, Chris likes and made

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Speaker 11: a bout with the fact that you know he knows

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Speaker 11: how to run a country because he ran in New Zealand,

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Speaker 11: World World News Chris country New Zealand is not in

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Speaker 11: New Zealand. And just because you run a big corporate

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Speaker 11: it doesn't mean you know how to run a country,

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Speaker 11: particularly effectively. And I agree with Trisha, I agree with

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Speaker 11: the vast majority of people like to including a whole

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Speaker 11: of your list, is no doubt who were saying these

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Speaker 11: guys made a whole lot of promises around how they

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Speaker 11: were going to drive economic growth and productivity, They're going

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Speaker 11: to get rid of the cost of the eleven crisis,

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Speaker 11: et cetera, et cetera. Nothing has happened after eighteen months.

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Speaker 11: So there's a whole lot of people out there who

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Speaker 11: voted for Luxeant because he was the CEO of the

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Speaker 11: News Eland who have every right to feel a little

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Speaker 11: bit disappointed at this point in time, I would say,

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Speaker 11: I would.

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Speaker 3: Say, so what do you think, though, Trish? The counterfactual

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Speaker 3: is if they were prepared to take the really tough decisions,

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Speaker 3: and I think I think Ruth Richardson was talking about

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Speaker 3: this yesterday on Q and A, where you know, you

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Speaker 3: have to take the decisions that will potentially lead people

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Speaker 3: to hate you. If they took it, would they be

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Speaker 3: more popular?

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Speaker 23: Well, while we're putting the slipper in, it is good

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Speaker 23: to recognize that there are some big reforms happening. So

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Speaker 23: the RIMA stuff that is really good stuff, the education

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Speaker 23: stuff that is really good stuff. My concern is that

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Speaker 23: in terms of the economy, there is a propensity to

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Speaker 23: go after the the easy, shiny things on the periphery.

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Speaker 23: I mean, think about how much energy has been expended

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Speaker 23: on pumping up the investment boost for companies. Look, it's great,

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Speaker 23: but at the moment, companies have to have the capital

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Speaker 23: available to be able to invest and to get the

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Speaker 23: investment for both.

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Speaker 11: Sure it's not great. Will I see that it's going

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Speaker 11: to increase GDP by one percent over twenty years. And

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Speaker 11: the investment boost was the you know, it was the

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Speaker 11: crowning glory in her budget. One percent over twenty years.

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Speaker 11: I don't think that's particularly aspiration of the truth.

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Speaker 23: Beyone, well, well, this is this is the issue, though,

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Speaker 23: isn't it.

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 23: I know you referenced earlier Heather the eighty four labor

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Speaker 23: government and look at what Ruth Richardson had to do

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Speaker 23: in nineteen ninety. In my view, we have got away

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Speaker 23: from governments who really want to get under the hood

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Speaker 23: of serious policy issues and address them, whether or not

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Speaker 23: that means, you know, you might be in for you know,

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Speaker 23: not for a long time, but that is the purpose

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Speaker 23: of being in parliament. And I think that really hard

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Speaker 23: policy grunt work isn't happening as much as it should be.

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Speaker 23: I know it's easy to say that from the outside,

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Speaker 23: but look at you know, other debates that are going

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Speaker 23: on at the moment, the likes of superannuation, and it's

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00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,400
Speaker 23: hard to get a read on are we really going

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Speaker 23: to tackle that or are we not?

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Speaker 3: Are you so Trish? What you're saying is they're putting

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Speaker 3: their re election chances ahead of making those really tough

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Speaker 3: calls that actually we need to make as a country.

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Speaker 23: On balance, if I look at what's happening right now,

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Speaker 23: I would say yes, if their rhetoric is right that

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00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 23: we have come through and we're still in the worst

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Speaker 23: recession historically, then that means the decisions that you making

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Speaker 23: are making are very big, the structural and the fundamental,

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Speaker 23: and they aim at getting that structural debt fixed up.

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Speaker 11: I would go a little bit further than that. I

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Speaker 11: think any government can make changes if they go to

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Speaker 11: the public with a bold vision and then they say

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Speaker 11: this is where we want the country to be in

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Speaker 11: pick a time, ten twenty thirty years out, and this

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Speaker 11: is what we need to do enable in order to

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Speaker 11: be able to achieve that. What I would say around

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Speaker 11: this government is there is actually no bold vision that

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Speaker 11: people can buy into and look at and go oh yeah, okay,

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Speaker 11: that's why they're doing this. It just seems very It's

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Speaker 11: not even business as usual. It's sort of muddling on

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Speaker 11: through with a strong dose of mediocrity.

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Speaker 23: Well well and rich coming from you, stew.

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Speaker 11: I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 8: Look, I will agree with you. Look, I agree with you.

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Speaker 11: I think in twenty twenty to twenty twenty three we

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Speaker 11: had an opportunity to be really transformational because we had

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Speaker 11: over fifty percent of the vote. And I don't think

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Speaker 11: the second term of our government. We took advantage of

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Speaker 11: that when we absolutely should have and that's a you know,

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Speaker 11: that's a story for another day. But we had that opportunity,

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Speaker 11: we didn't take advantage. But this government has learned nothing

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00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 11: from any other government and so there is no vision,

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Speaker 11: there is no bold aspiration. It is just like I said,

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Speaker 11: it just it's just mediocrity, which is not good for

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Speaker 11: our country at this point in time.

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Speaker 3: All right, we'll take a break. Come back to you guys.

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Speaker 3: It's thirteen minutes away from six.

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Speaker 1: The Huddle with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty achieve extraordinary

1285
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Speaker 1: results with unparallel reach.

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Speaker 3: Back with the Huddle, Stuart Nash and Trisherson, Stu, what

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Speaker 3: did you make of the sick leave debarcle today?

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Speaker 11: I always listened to that interview and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 11: I didn't know that this was one of their policies.

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Speaker 11: And I also thought to myself, well, they've pissed off

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Speaker 11: every single woman in the country with pay equity, and

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Speaker 11: now they're going to piss off every single worker by

1293
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Speaker 11: cutting back sickly to five days. Wow. And then I

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Speaker 11: read that it actually wasn't one of their policies, and

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Speaker 11: I heard Brook van Belden being interviewed earlier on she

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Speaker 11: said everyone's got to allow to be a human and

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Speaker 11: I'm going here, but the Prime Minister should know the policies.

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Speaker 11: I thought that was unbelievable, but you know Chris Lackslin's

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Speaker 11: track record, it wasn't surprising, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: What do you think, Chrish?

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Speaker 23: I listen every Monday to that interview with the PM

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Speaker 23: because it's a good set up, particularly for HUDDLE, and

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Speaker 23: I think if you went and analyzed pretty much every

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Speaker 23: one of those weekly interviews, there would be something on

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Speaker 23: a scale of small to big gaffs that someone picks

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Speaker 23: up on during the day. So the most recent example

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Speaker 23: I thought of was when there was the stoush over

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Speaker 23: banning social media for under sixteens. The Prime Minister was

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Speaker 23: on being interviewed about it and he said, oh, well,

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Speaker 23: you know ACT was opposed to it, but they are

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Speaker 23: changing their position over the weekend. David Seymour was out

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Speaker 23: within about five minutes saying absolutely no, where not and

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Speaker 23: there are you know this sounds a little bit like

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Speaker 23: telling someone how to suck eggs. But when I listen

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Speaker 23: to Chris Luxen. I often think of two great acronyms

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Speaker 23: that can help you in your work life not dig

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Speaker 23: yourself into holes with talking too much. Number one is wait,

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Speaker 23: why am I talking? Number two is waste? Why am

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Speaker 23: I still talking? And think that's often where these guests

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Speaker 23: come from. It's from wanting to not say no, I

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Speaker 23: don't know, no, we're not doing that, and and sort

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Speaker 23: of really take take take the bull by the horns

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Speaker 23: and these interviews rather than trying to be the nice guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, is he trying to be too agreeable? Is that

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Speaker 3: what's up?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 11: Well, you know, Mike is a mass interviewer, you know,

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Speaker 11: second only to you here that and you know he

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Speaker 11: hears I love that weight and waste. I wish I

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Speaker 11: knew that five years ago, but he the you know,

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Speaker 11: he hears the ability to draw things out of people

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Speaker 11: in a way very very few other interviewers are. And

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Speaker 11: I agree with you. I think Chris likes to be liked.

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Speaker 11: He knows that his media performances in the past haven't

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Speaker 11: been great. Chris luctionnesses and so if he agrees with

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Speaker 11: Mike and gets Mike on side, it's all goes. He

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Speaker 11: thinks it all goes very well, but then you end

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Speaker 11: up with this pr disaster where you've got his coalition

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Speaker 11: partner on saying well, no, we're not going to do that,

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Speaker 11: and we discuss that a year ago and decided we

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Speaker 11: wouldn't go down that track. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 11: what's going on the ninth floor, but I do know

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Speaker 11: you whenever I was a minister, and I've seen what

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Speaker 11: the Prime Minister gets when you're about to go on

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Speaker 11: a show like My cost Ging or hither Duke to

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Speaker 11: see Allen, You brief like there is no tomorrow, so

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Speaker 11: you are over every single topic that could possibly be asked.

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Speaker 11: And I don't know if his press sex just aren't

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Speaker 11: giving him the briefing notes or what's going on. But

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Speaker 11: it's trus said. It just seems to be gaff after

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Speaker 11: gaff after gaff and he's just not learning. It's quite surprising.

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Speaker 23: I think the problem is it goes to that underlying

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Speaker 23: theme of inauthenticity that's coming across and that's why there's

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Speaker 23: just no traction being gained in the preferred Prime Minister

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Speaker 23: ratings because there's really nothing for you to grasp onto

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Speaker 23: when you listen to these interviews apart from the odd mistake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, listen, how's your onion breath?

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Speaker 23: Well, as I said to you, it's a strong onion

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Speaker 23: breath that I wouldn't normally have at ten minutes to

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Speaker 23: six on a Monday night usual.

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Speaker 3: I apologize, I'll see, I'll dig out some mints for you. Attack.

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Speaker 3: That's our huddle's evening Trishurs and stude Ash seven away

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Speaker 3: from six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplassy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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Speaker 1: my Heart Radio powered by News Talk Z.

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Speaker 3: B Uh, Heather, don't be disingenuous. Chris Luckson never said

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Speaker 3: sickly was reducing from ten to five days. At no

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Speaker 3: point does he say that. Now the trouble is, yes, correct,

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Speaker 3: he sort of gets there with Mike. But then of

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Speaker 3: course the opposition Radio or Zealand were listening and they

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Speaker 3: asked the Prime Minister as well, and they said, is

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Speaker 3: your government looking at reducing the number of leave leave

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Speaker 3: days from ten to five? And he said that's something

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Speaker 3: that I know Brook van Walden is looking into. So

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Speaker 3: he does get there in the end. Now, oh listen,

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Speaker 3: it's not all bad for him today. Chris Luxen has

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Speaker 3: just been named as what happened let me start this.

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Speaker 3: The Loewe Institute asked Australians which world leader they felt

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Speaker 3: most confident to do the right thing regarding foreign policy,

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Speaker 3: and Chris Luxein's came out on top. So he's beat

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Speaker 3: Emmanuel Macron, He's beat Donald Trump, He's beat Keir Starmer,

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Speaker 3: He's beat their very own Anthony Albanezi. He has come

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Speaker 3: out number one, the best prime minister on best world

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Speaker 3: leader on foreign matters. So did Chris Hepkins. So did

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Speaker 3: just done. So I think maybe the Australians just sort

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Speaker 3: of they just love us all. It's like it's basically

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Speaker 3: it's an award for all of us, isn't it just

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Speaker 3: for being New Zealanders? But hey, as the prime minister,

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Speaker 3: he gets it, so congrats to him. Now we have

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Speaker 3: to talk about AI because there's a suggestion AI can

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Speaker 3: do your mental health check for you. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 3: Nicola Willis' is us next news togs.

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Speaker 13: They've beat.

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Speaker 1: Quads, Fouquod's down. What were the major calls and how

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Speaker 1: will it affect the economy? The big business questions on

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Speaker 1: the Business Hour with Heather duplessy Ellen and Maas insurance

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Speaker 1: and investments grow your wealth, Protect your future news talks had.

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Speaker 3: Been evening coming up in the next hour, Shane Soley's

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Speaker 3: going to talk us through the tourism holdings takeover offer.

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Speaker 3: We'll have a chat to a clinical psychologist about whether

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Speaker 3: we should actually use chatbots for therapy. And Gavin Gray

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Speaker 3: is with us out of the UK at seven past six,

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Speaker 3: and as but usual, Nikola willis our finance ministers with us. Hey, Nikola, Hi, Heather, Now, Nicola,

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Speaker 3: have you spoken to Neil about his FIBs?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 6: As I said last week, I did speak to Neil

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Speaker 6: last week to share my view that while of course

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Speaker 6: they were initially limited the Reserve Bank and what they

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Speaker 6: could say about the terms of Adrian Or's exit agreement,

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Speaker 6: once they had worked through that, they could have provided

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Speaker 6: some clarifying statements more promptly than they did.

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Speaker 3: How promptly.

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Speaker 6: Well, I think as soon as worked through what they

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Speaker 6: could say with the former governor then there was obviously

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Speaker 6: significant public interest in that information and it would have

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Speaker 6: been in everyone's best interests for them to share that

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Speaker 6: in an earlier junction.

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Speaker 3: How long did it take them to work through this

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Speaker 3: with Adrian.

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Speaker 6: Or, Well, that's a question for Professor Quigley rather than

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Speaker 6: for me.

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Speaker 3: What was it like on the day, within a week,

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Speaker 3: within a month, within three months, do you know?

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Speaker 6: I don't know the answer to that question, but my

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Speaker 6: point is simply, there were always going to be Official

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Speaker 6: Information Act requests public interest in this matter. So as

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Speaker 6: soon as they had worked through what they could say,

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Speaker 6: I think it would have been in everyone's interest for

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Speaker 6: them to come out with that.

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Speaker 3: I mean, fair enough on all of that stuff. But

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Speaker 3: he didn't have to go out there in fib did he?

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Speaker 3: And he did, and have you spoken to him about that?

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Speaker 6: Well, his view is that the statements that he made

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Speaker 6: on day one were necessarily limited, both because the funding agreement.

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Speaker 3: They were agreed they would just outright FIBs.

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Speaker 6: Well, as I say, and i'd point you to his statement.

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Speaker 6: He has explained that he believes that both the terms

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Speaker 6: of the exit agreement and the working through the finalization

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Speaker 6: of a five year funding great agreement limited what he

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Speaker 6: could say.

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Speaker 3: Okay, what do you think, as the finance mitist, do

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Speaker 3: you think that he was completely honest?

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Speaker 6: What I think is exactly what I've just said to you,

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Speaker 6: which is, as soon as they had worked through the

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Speaker 6: details of what could not I know that as in

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Speaker 6: the public interest for them to share that Nichola.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't excuse him getting up on the day and

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Speaker 3: basically telling Porky's does it.

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Speaker 6: Well, I've been in a difficult position on this, Heather,

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Speaker 6: which is that my view has been the employment agreement

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Speaker 6: was between the governor and his board, and so I

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Speaker 6: have at all stages sought to remove myself from those

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Speaker 6: employment discussions and how they were communicated publicly, and in

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Speaker 6: doing that, I have relied on the board to take

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Speaker 6: responsibility for both those things.

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Speaker 3: The reason are you trying to avoid right now casting

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Speaker 3: judgment on what Neil quickly said and the Polkies that

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Speaker 3: he told.

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Speaker 6: Well, I have already cast judgment. I was pretty blunt

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Speaker 6: last week. I said, I think they should have pulled

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Speaker 6: their socks up on this one.

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Speaker 3: You were talking about. I mean, that's a completely different thing.

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Speaker 3: Nicholaea in one hundred days is different to this guy

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Speaker 3: who's the Reserve Bank governor getting up and not telling

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Speaker 3: us the truth.

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Speaker 6: No, I think if you look at my statements carefully,

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Speaker 6: my point that I made was that this information could

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Speaker 6: have been conveyed sooner, Heather, and you and I both

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Speaker 6: know it doesn't require an Official Information Act request for

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Speaker 6: public bodies to make themselves publicly accountable, and I think

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Speaker 6: this information being in the public domain earlier would have

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Speaker 6: been helpful to everyone involved.

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Speaker 3: Now have you spoken to Neil quickly about his term

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Speaker 3: as the chair?

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Speaker 6: Well, as you know, he's already on a two year

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Speaker 6: term rather than a longer term, and that I have

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Speaker 6: previously spoken to him about that. The fact that we

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Speaker 6: are obviously in a period of transition at the Reserve Bank,

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Speaker 6: as a search for a new governor is underway and

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Speaker 6: we have also been replacing people on the Reserve Bank Board.

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Speaker 6: So I've made it clear to him that I view

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Speaker 6: his role as supporting those transitions as they take place.

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Speaker 3: As in staying there for two years to see it

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Speaker 3: through or getting out of the way.

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Speaker 6: Well, ultimately that will be up to Neil Quidly, because

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Speaker 6: my view is that what's required for the Reserve Bank

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Speaker 6: as an institution is that we have smooth transitions.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to see him out of there before

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Speaker 3: two years are up?

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Speaker 6: I have confidence in him doing the role as it

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Speaker 6: currently stands, and what I am interested in is the

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Speaker 6: Reserve Bank remaining a sound, respected institution and that it

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Speaker 6: manages its transitions at a senior leadership role level well,

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Speaker 6: and that the Reserve Bank has the people in place

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Speaker 6: to do that.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let me ask you this aga. Given that he

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Speaker 3: has indicated that he's more than happy to stand up

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Speaker 3: in front of the country and just concoct stories, do

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Speaker 3: you trust him when he talks to you?

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Speaker 6: Well? I trust that he found himself in a challenging

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Speaker 6: situation where he felt bound by the terms of an

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Speaker 6: exit agreement by privacy law, and that he was then

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Speaker 6: weighing that against his need to be publicly open. And

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Speaker 6: as I've said, I think I've been pretty blunt. At

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Speaker 6: the minute, he knew that what else he could communicate,

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Speaker 6: and would have been better if that had been communicated sooner.

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Speaker 6: This was all foreseeable so far as I can see,

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Speaker 6: and it frustrates me that we're in this situation.

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Speaker 3: That was not a yes. By the way, So we'll

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Speaker 3: just note that what happened to you guys cutting back

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Speaker 3: the public servants and we own two thousand down.

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Speaker 6: Well, we're doing a great job. We've reversed the trend,

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Speaker 6: which was an exploding growth. And what we've done is

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Speaker 6: we've put the emphasis away from the back office rolls,

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Speaker 6: the policy analysts, the admin roles, and what you are

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Speaker 6: continuing to see that there are people being hired for

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Speaker 6: as things like customer service roles. And that's what you'd

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Speaker 6: expect because we're a government that is focused on delivering

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Speaker 6: very good services.

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Speaker 3: To How many frontline How many frontline staff have you hired.

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Speaker 6: Frontline staff? I can't give you a number right now,

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01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 6: but nurses alone, seventeen hundred more, several more, teachers, hundreds more.

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Speaker 3: Correctly account how many of that? We don't count the

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Speaker 3: teachers and the public servant numbers do it.

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Speaker 6: So that depends on whether you're using the broader public

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Speaker 6: service definition or the narrower one.

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Speaker 13: The narrow.

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Speaker 6: That the narrow one in terms of the core public

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Speaker 6: service numbers. No not.

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Speaker 3: Can you understand why this is profoundly disappointing to people,

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01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:44,519
Speaker 3: because because we all understand, I mean, you'd have to

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01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 3: be an idiot not to see that the country is

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01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 3: in a really tough place. We're spending far too much money.

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,640
Speaker 3: We're blowing out our budgets every single year, and this

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01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 3: is an obvious way for you guys to pair the

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01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 3: spending back. There are way too many public servants as

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01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,880
Speaker 3: a reportion of our population. And you guys don't do it, but.

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Speaker 6: We are doing it. So there's been an eleven percent

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01:13:03,200 --> 01:13:06,519
Speaker 6: reduction and clerical and admin rolls, eight percent reduction, and

1540
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Speaker 6: policy jobs, some increase in contact into workers, some increase

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01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:12,599
Speaker 6: in inspectors.

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01:13:12,040 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 3: And any pounds down.

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01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 6: Well that's overall, but still I think in eleven percent

1544
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,200
Speaker 6: reduction in clerical and admin rolls, eight percent reduction and

1545
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:23,839
Speaker 6: policy jobs, that's progress.

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01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:26,160
Speaker 3: Do you know where you've taken us back to the

1547
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:30,080
Speaker 3: last time we had this many public servants March twenty three.

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01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:35,080
Speaker 6: Well, he peaked in December twenty twenty three, and since

1549
01:13:35,120 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 6: then the only way has been down. And so we

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01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:40,240
Speaker 6: are making good progress. And I tell you what, either

1551
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 6: every single job reduction we have made has been hollowed

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01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:50,240
Speaker 6: at and screened at by our political opponents, who would

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01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 6: have it believed that the only way to grow employment

1554
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 6: in this country is to harre more public servants in Wellington.

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01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 6: We haven't taken that view, and we've been pretty staunch

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 6: and continuing to make progress.

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Speaker 3: How much more are the wall carpets costing us than

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,639
Speaker 3: the nylon carpets?

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01:14:03,400 --> 01:14:05,679
Speaker 6: Well, I've heard your cynicism so I've gone and double

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01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 6: checked on this. So actually the purchase price for the

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01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 6: woolen carpet, I'm advised, is no more than the purchase

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:16,400
Speaker 6: price for nylon under the old contract. What happened here,

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01:14:17,600 --> 01:14:19,880
Speaker 6: I don't have the dollars, But what you care about

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Speaker 6: is are we paying a premium over nylon? Answer?

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01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,040
Speaker 3: No, No, what happens. I know what the nylon costs.

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01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 3: It cost forty three dollars eighteen per square meter, and

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01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:30,759
Speaker 3: clearly the wall is more expensive.

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01:14:31,800 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 6: No. What I've been advised is that the contract for

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01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 6: kaying Aura is no more expensive than nylon was under

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01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 6: the old contract. What the terms are that they got

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01:14:42,120 --> 01:14:45,320
Speaker 6: depends on how, of course people showed up, because when

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01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 6: people get a big commercial tender like this, you'll find

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01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,759
Speaker 6: that they shaften their price that they're offering. That's exactly

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01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 6: what happened here. Said well, this is your chance, and

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01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:57,240
Speaker 6: I think will came with their absolute Shaffer steel. They

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01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:00,679
Speaker 6: shaftened their pencil. That's good news for the industry.

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01:15:02,040 --> 01:15:03,679
Speaker 3: Eighteen per square meter for the wall.

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01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 6: As I said, I do not have that number, but

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01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 6: what I have is a car sign assurance. It is

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01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,400
Speaker 6: no more than the purchase price and under theirs.

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Speaker 3: It's not true at all. You know that what it

1582
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 3: will be.

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01:15:14,479 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 6: Get forty three from here this googled it. Yes, but

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01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 6: the business commercials. Yeah, but that's different from the commercial

1585
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 6: supply agreement that crying or.

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01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,920
Speaker 3: A mastruct that is the kying of order deal.

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01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, in which case, as I've said to you,

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01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 6: what I've been assured is that it is no more

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01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 6: than you know what they're doing.

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 3: They'll be taking into account they've waited it differently, right,

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01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 3: So price is only one waiting when it comes to

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01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 3: a tender, right, So they're waiting other things like is

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01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 3: it good for the country?

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 6: No? No, no, that is that is the straight purchase

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01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:48,719
Speaker 6: price comparison. Okay, So how can I even start counting

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01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:49,679
Speaker 6: all of the other.

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Speaker 3: If it's one same price? About well, if it's the

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01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 3: same price, why are you the second person I've asked

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01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 3: and you guys can't tell me. You can't tell me

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Speaker 3: the price. The guy reading okay can't tell me the.

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01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,920
Speaker 6: Price because we don't in my case, because I don't

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01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 6: get given those operational contract details, which are also commercially sensitive.

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 6: So is it no, there's no ret here? Can I

1604
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:12,960
Speaker 6: just tell you your cynicism is misplaced. All got a

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01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:16,400
Speaker 6: chance to sharpen their offer. They came up with an

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01:16:16,479 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 6: offer that met on price and delivers a product that is.

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01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 3: Much I'll tell you what, what can you go? Would

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01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:25,719
Speaker 3: you mind? I know you're busy, but can your people

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01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 3: just ask Ko or bring Worth what the price is

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01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 3: and come back.

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Speaker 6: To us next. I'm just starting to feel for you

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 6: and your colleagues and your family who clearly are going

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01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 6: to have to have plastic carpet. Yeah, plastic acoustic panels

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 6: well is a beautiful product. When given the chance to

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01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:45,200
Speaker 6: compete on price, it can it delivers massive benefits. I

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01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 6: don't know what you've got against sheep farmers, but personally

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01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 6: I think they're great. And the fact that they've turned

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01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:54,240
Speaker 6: up with a really competitive price it is good news

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:56,600
Speaker 6: for everyone. And there's only one person who's upset about it,

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01:16:56,600 --> 01:17:00,920
Speaker 6: and it's here. You're an optimist from this, Heather, Hey,

1621
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 6: and this is actually a one one for everyone, So

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01:17:03,479 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 6: let's not rain on the parade.

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01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:06,640
Speaker 3: Have you turned up with a cold and everything? Are

1624
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:07,719
Speaker 3: you working through a sickness?

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01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 6: Yeah? Look, I'm sorry for my voice. Callers will not

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01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:14,960
Speaker 6: be appreciating it. This evening well, it turns out the

1627
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,640
Speaker 6: ministerial title doesn't make you immune to the viruses that

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01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 6: go around the world.

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01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,400
Speaker 3: We all appreciate a hard worker, so thank you for

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01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:23,200
Speaker 3: turning up. Nichola Willis the Finance Minister. Eighteen past six.

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Speaker 1: It's the Heather Duplessy Allen Drive Full Show podcast on

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01:17:28,200 --> 01:17:30,640
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01:17:32,040 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: Everything from SMEs to the big corporates. The Business Hour with.

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01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: Heather Duplicy Ellen and Mass Insurance and investments, Grow your Wealth,

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01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: Protect your Future News Talks EDB.

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:45,880
Speaker 13: Heather.

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01:17:45,960 --> 01:17:49,040
Speaker 3: When people talk slowly, they are remembering their lines.

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01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 2: Do you mean this?

1639
01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 3: Do you trust him when he talks to you?

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01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 6: Well, I trust that he found himself in a challenging situation.

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01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 13: Mmmmm.

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01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 3: Minister does not trust Neil Quigley when Neil Kigley talks

1643
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 3: to her and fear enough do I don't need to

1644
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:09,799
Speaker 3: remind you of the FIBs. A. You know the FIBs.

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01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 3: If you don't know the FIBs, you can text me

1646
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 3: and then we can talk about those FIBs and just

1647
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 3: get them out there again. Here though, what she's referring

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01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 3: to with the contract that KO had for the synthetic

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01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,880
Speaker 3: price that was what they had already agreed. I wonder

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 3: actually what the price was for synthetics that they had

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01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:25,760
Speaker 3: agreed to now that they had actually asked to buy wool,

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01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 3: so what it was. So it's about what they can

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01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:32,760
Speaker 3: when they say woll is no more expensive. Are we

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01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 3: talking about the contracted price for the existing price for

1655
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,080
Speaker 3: the synthetics? Are we talking about the offered price for

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01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: the synthetics, Because what you'll know is they keep telling

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01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 3: us it's not more expensive, but they ang going to

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01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 3: cough up that figure A and we know what the

1659
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,519
Speaker 3: original figure was, so we can compare apples with apples.

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01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:50,120
Speaker 3: And they're not going to let us, are they. Shane

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01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:51,320
Speaker 3: Soley next six twenty two.

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Speaker 2: If it's to do with money, it matters to you.

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01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:57,040
Speaker 2: The Business Hour where.

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01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 1: The head duplic Ellen and Mares insurance and grow your wealth,

1665
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:04,639
Speaker 1: Protect your future News talks v Listen.

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01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 3: You might have heard in the news earlier about the

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01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 3: man who has killed twice. This is a complete stuff

1668
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:11,439
Speaker 3: up by the health system and I'm going to have

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01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 3: to run you through those details before the end of

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Speaker 3: this hour six twenty five with me now, though Shane

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01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,719
Speaker 3: solely harbor asset management. Hey, Shane.

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Speaker 8: Hello, only that Shane.

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Speaker 3: So how have the capital markets reacted to this Iran

1674
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:23,360
Speaker 3: Israel conflict.

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01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 8: Yeah, so Friday we saw the USHA market in the

1676
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 8: S and P five hundred, which is the broad market,

1677
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,679
Speaker 8: down about one point one percent. Since then, we've since

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01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 8: the clothes have seen another escalation and conflict, a lot

1679
01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 8: more bombardments of each other's, particularly the energy infrastructure. So look,

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01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,360
Speaker 8: we're just watching to see what the US market does

1681
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 8: when they open the futures, which is the forward looking

1682
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 8: indicators actually slightly up.

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01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:46,439
Speaker 11: We don't know.

1684
01:19:46,560 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 8: Locally. We saw the New Zealand dollar pretty stable against

1685
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 8: the US dollar today about sixty point two eight hits

1686
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Speaker 8: being yield in the New Zion ten yure government bond

1687
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 8: years there was up a little bit just under ten

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01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,639
Speaker 8: besis points back to four point sixty four percent. Maybe

1689
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 8: there's about people think about inflation on the back of

1690
01:20:01,920 --> 01:20:04,800
Speaker 8: higher oil prices. And actually the New Zealand Shire marker

1691
01:20:04,920 --> 01:20:06,600
Speaker 8: was up one percent today and that was led by

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Speaker 8: strength and some of our growth stocks utilities and infrastructure's used.

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Speaker 8: So probabit of a surprise for some people on that one.

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Speaker 3: What do you reckon is the key risks from the

1695
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 3: conflict to economies and markets from here on in.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, Look, it's tough to know how this is going

1697
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 8: to turn out. Clearly, some real human tragedy year we've

1698
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 8: got to put into that. But for the global economies

1699
01:20:24,920 --> 01:20:28,559
Speaker 8: and capital markets, probably the biggest risk is that Iran

1700
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,160
Speaker 8: or it's our ways to disrupt the slate straits of homes.

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01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,720
Speaker 8: That's with is a lot of oil comes through the

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01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:36,559
Speaker 8: conflict widens and we actually see some inflation go up

1703
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 8: on the back of it. Since we've had this conflict

1704
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 8: keeckoff with Texas Internedio oil prices, it's the main one

1705
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 8: of the reference points for oil going to just under

1706
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 8: seventy three dollars use a barrel, that's twelve up in

1707
01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:50,439
Speaker 8: a week, So tough one for us in New Zealand.

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01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,720
Speaker 8: The risk is a lot of that oil out of

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Speaker 8: our own gost to China, and if there's a problem

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01:20:54,479 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 8: there then slows the Chinese economy down, slows our economy down,

1711
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:01,000
Speaker 8: and just higher energy prices not good for inflation in

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Speaker 8: this part of the world.

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Speaker 3: Shane, what do you make of this takeover offer for

1714
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 3: tourism holdings?

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01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, so interesting one. We had on s set of

1716
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,799
Speaker 8: non binding offer for theres and holdings is their candadown

1717
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:17,840
Speaker 8: operator from a group called BGH Capital that's a private

1718
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 8: equity firm and back for by the Australian Trichet family

1719
01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:24,599
Speaker 8: who had backed some Australians and Tourism holdings a few

1720
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:27,760
Speaker 8: years ago. The bid two dollars thirty. That's fifty seven

1721
01:21:27,800 --> 01:21:30,800
Speaker 8: percent above Friday's close A one for hysics. Pretty healthy.

1722
01:21:31,800 --> 01:21:34,679
Speaker 8: They've got the backing of Truche, the true schase holders

1723
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,759
Speaker 8: holders and also as the A and D and Wilson

1724
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:40,679
Speaker 8: Hessey Management, So BGH has got about a twenty percent stake.

1725
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 8: Now there's no studency on the transaction. Uh, it's subject

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01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 8: to due diligence and finding board recommendations. But BGH they've

1727
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:50,479
Speaker 8: got a history of being pretty patient on these things.

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01:21:50,960 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 8: So we saw that tourism holding ship I was closed

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01:21:53,080 --> 01:21:55,679
Speaker 8: at two dollars thirty today. A little bit to play

1730
01:21:55,680 --> 01:21:57,120
Speaker 8: out here here though, I think I think we've got

1731
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 8: somewhere to go. But you know, that's a bit of

1732
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:01,679
Speaker 8: a reminder that parts of bell share market are pretty

1733
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:03,120
Speaker 8: attractive to overseas investors.

1734
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean, Hey, thanks very much, always good to talk

1735
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 3: to you. Appreciate it, mate, that Shane solely harbor Asset Management.

1736
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 3: Going to talk Heather, why don't you like wooll Would

1737
01:22:12,520 --> 01:22:15,720
Speaker 3: you rather have plastic? Yes, it's cheaper. That's what I've

1738
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 3: got in my house is plastic. Why shouldn't the state

1739
01:22:18,120 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 3: houses have that? Anyway, Listen, let's talk about chat GPT

1740
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 3: and whether it should do the old consultations for.

1741
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:27,120
Speaker 2: Us next crunching the numbers and getting the results.

1742
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:30,600
Speaker 1: It's Heather, do for clan with the business hour and

1743
01:22:31,000 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 1: mass insurance and investments, grow your wealth, protect your future.

1744
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,400
Speaker 2: Use talks that'd be did you taken?

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01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,679
Speaker 13: They?

1746
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:42,639
Speaker 11: Would you name?

1747
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 2: Go to j.

1748
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,040
Speaker 3: Right, David Gray is going to be with us out

1749
01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,880
Speaker 3: of the UK in about ten minutes time. And incidentally,

1750
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,639
Speaker 3: in the UK, they have just had MI six appointed

1751
01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:58,639
Speaker 3: for the first time ever a woman as their boss,

1752
01:22:58,840 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 3: which is just like in j Bond, except in real

1753
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 3: life not m M and James Bond. In real life.

1754
01:23:04,800 --> 01:23:10,000
Speaker 3: C C for Chief Chief is Blaize Metrowelli, who joined

1755
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:13,719
Speaker 3: the Secret Intelligence Service in nineteen ninety nine. Are currently

1756
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 3: the position that she holds is Q Director General, Q

1757
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 3: Head of Technology and Innovation Division, and before that she

1758
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,600
Speaker 3: was at m I five and she was director K

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01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,040
Speaker 3: it's twenty three wait.

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01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 9: Wait, wait, hang on, So the person in charge of

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01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:28,280
Speaker 9: the technology is actually called Q in the real MI

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01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 9: six Yeah, Bond, that's the thing that blew my money,

1763
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 9: I think.

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01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,519
Speaker 3: But there's somebody actually called money Penny as well.

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01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, well, includly there's actually an M as well. We

1766
01:23:36,720 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 9: just don't know about who's actually in charge of What

1767
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,760
Speaker 9: does M do? If Dame Judy just retired and AS

1768
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:42,080
Speaker 9: does that?

1769
01:23:42,200 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 3: Now maybe if C is chief, M would be management, well.

1770
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 9: They hint, and Casino Royal we're going way down the

1771
01:23:48,920 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 9: rabbit in cassinarel that they mentioned that it's got something

1772
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,120
Speaker 9: to do with her real name, but they never tell

1773
01:23:54,120 --> 01:23:54,880
Speaker 9: you any more than that.

1774
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:57,559
Speaker 3: But yeah, oh not her title.

1775
01:23:57,880 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 9: No, yeah, yeah, that's the that's the thing, Bond says.

1776
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,840
Speaker 9: I thought it was a randomly assign numal. I didn't

1777
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,400
Speaker 9: realize it had something with your name. And then she

1778
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 9: hushes them up.

1779
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 3: Oh well, as Blaze's point has proved to us, she's

1780
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 3: been k, Q and M and C. I mean, so

1781
01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 3: it's got nothing in the real life to do with

1782
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,400
Speaker 3: the actual name anyway. Thanks Ans for your random information.

1783
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 3: As per usual, twenty two away from seven ever, do

1784
01:24:17,320 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 3: for cel would AI be the key to solving our

1785
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:23,040
Speaker 3: mental health backlog? Mental Health Minister Matt Doocy has claimed

1786
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,639
Speaker 3: that up to twenty percent of New Zealand's unmet needs

1787
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 3: could be solved. This is mental health needs could be

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01:24:27,960 --> 01:24:31,240
Speaker 3: solved using chatbots like chat GPT. Jackie maguire as a

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01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,800
Speaker 3: clinical psychologist, Hey Jackie, Hi, Heather, is he on to

1790
01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 3: something here?

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01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:41,679
Speaker 14: I think therapy AI is really helpful for life stuff.

1792
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 14: You want to make a decision, if you're wanting to

1793
01:24:44,280 --> 01:24:48,479
Speaker 14: plan a conversation, if you are switched on with critical

1794
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:52,360
Speaker 14: analysis skills that you can go yeah, actually helpful. You

1795
01:24:52,439 --> 01:24:55,400
Speaker 14: know you're grounding or you're prompting me. I'm going to

1796
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,240
Speaker 14: use that and I'm going to think about that. I mean,

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01:24:57,280 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 14: that's really helpful in terms of an AI tool. Is

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01:24:59,520 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 14: it going to sol our mental health crisis? In terms

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01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,200
Speaker 14: of we've got huge weightlists and people unable to get

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01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 14: meaningful support. I don't think it's going to fill that gap.

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01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 3: What about what about just triaging? So I was just

1802
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:18,679
Speaker 3: thinking about so, for example, had my second baby about

1803
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,720
Speaker 3: five months ago, so obviously would be experiencing what a

1804
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 3: lot of mums will experience postpartum, which is a little

1805
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 3: bit of anxiety, maybe a bit of the blues or whatever,

1806
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 3: whatever whatever. So I go along to it and I say, hey,

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01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 3: I'm having some anxiety babies five months old, and it says, yep,

1808
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 3: completely normal. Try doing this. Would that not be helpful

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01:25:35,720 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: for just triaging some people out who actually don't need

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01:25:38,920 --> 01:25:41,640
Speaker 3: any more assistance than just knowing what's going on?

1811
01:25:43,479 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 14: So yes, I think being able to have anyone validate you,

1812
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:50,040
Speaker 14: including a chatbot, actually has shown when your name it

1813
01:25:50,120 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 14: your tainment, So some form of validation is helpful. Being

1814
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:57,759
Speaker 14: able to be provided with in terms of strategies is useful,

1815
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 14: But that also requires that the person that is being

1816
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 14: validated and receiving their information is in a headspace to

1817
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 14: use that wisely. Like if you logged on and you

1818
01:26:07,880 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 14: were so distressed or experiencing such great post atal depression

1819
01:26:12,160 --> 01:26:15,760
Speaker 14: that you were psychotic, then you need a person in

1820
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:18,640
Speaker 14: front of you assessing you, not chatbot, right, So and

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01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 14: I guess there's no way hard because you don't know

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01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:22,640
Speaker 14: who's on the other side of the computer screen, So.

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01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 3: There's no way of knowing whether like can we not

1824
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 3: triage it and go chat GPT has screened you at

1825
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: the start whoa, you need some help or no, you're okay,

1826
01:26:31,479 --> 01:26:32,439
Speaker 3: off you we can't do that.

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Speaker 14: I think it would be useful if there was a

1828
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:37,519
Speaker 14: clinician to see you through that process.

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01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, but there is not right, not.

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01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 14: Currently in terms of you know, we would hope that

1831
01:26:45,320 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 14: people in crisis are being seen, but we know from

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01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:51,439
Speaker 14: those that are experiencing moderate to severe mental illness or

1833
01:26:51,479 --> 01:26:54,720
Speaker 14: who are in great distress, many people aren't getting the

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01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:57,560
Speaker 14: support that they need. And so, you know, it's a

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01:26:57,720 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 14: useful tool. I just don't want it to be spoken

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01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:02,560
Speaker 14: about in terms of it's our how Mary.

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01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:06,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, is there also the risk that it affirms your neuroses?

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Speaker 14: You know, it's interesting because I've used a free therapy

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01:27:12,120 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 14: tool when I was having to plan a difficult conversation

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01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,759
Speaker 14: with somebody, and yes, like I'm a clinical psych sitting

1841
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 14: on the end of the computer and I can go,

1842
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,360
Speaker 14: and that's really useful. I wouldn't have thought of that

1843
01:27:22,479 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 14: question and I can go. No, I wouldn't take that

1844
01:27:24,640 --> 01:27:27,320
Speaker 14: on board, but like from that perspective here that it

1845
01:27:27,479 --> 01:27:31,120
Speaker 14: was really helpful, saves me affession from going to see

1846
01:27:31,160 --> 01:27:33,840
Speaker 14: someone in supervise and you know in soundboard that like

1847
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:36,640
Speaker 14: I think it can be an excellent soundboarding, you know,

1848
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 14: life challenge tool. I think it can be really helpful

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01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,880
Speaker 14: used in that forum. I just think we have to

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01:27:43,439 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 14: go human beings a complex if you are experiencing mental illness,

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 14: if your life has got multiple things going on, if

1852
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:53,519
Speaker 14: you're in a state of distress. We know that one

1853
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 14: of the primary factors of success in therapy is the

1854
01:27:55,920 --> 01:28:00,439
Speaker 14: therapeutic alliance, which means an individual other person and can

1855
01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,120
Speaker 14: see you as a human being, can understand the complexities

1856
01:28:04,200 --> 01:28:06,960
Speaker 14: of your life, can build a relationship with you and

1857
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:11,120
Speaker 14: AI Whilst it might feel like they're building a relationship

1858
01:28:11,200 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 14: with you, their relationship is based on data, you know,

1859
01:28:15,200 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 14: patterns and data. It's not based on you.

1860
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jackie, thank you. I appreciate you talking us through.

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01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 3: It's fascinating stuff, Oh, Jackie maguire, clinical psychologist. At the moment,

1862
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get chat GPT to figure out why

1863
01:28:27,479 --> 01:28:30,680
Speaker 3: I get migraines from certain this I love. If I

1864
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:32,720
Speaker 3: told you I'm obsessed with it, I'm obsessed with it.

1865
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:37,800
Speaker 3: So I get migraines if I put like crappy perfumes

1866
01:28:37,880 --> 01:28:41,679
Speaker 3: and even nice perfumes on. Sometimes. Jamie McKay cousin Jamie.

1867
01:28:42,000 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 3: One time I sat and he had to throw a

1868
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 3: whole perfume bottle away because I sat in a car

1869
01:28:46,040 --> 01:28:49,400
Speaker 3: with him. For gosh. We were on a tour of

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01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: Dunedin and it would have been maybe an hour, maybe

1871
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:53,960
Speaker 3: an hour and a half. It wasn't very long time

1872
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:56,640
Speaker 3: to need. It's a small place. But he gave me

1873
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:58,679
Speaker 3: a migraine because I think it was as a maani

1874
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:00,519
Speaker 3: that he was wearing. We never saw the money again

1875
01:29:00,600 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 3: gone anyway, So there must be something in these perfumes

1876
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that that has given given me the

1877
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,519
Speaker 3: migraine if I sniffered too much or put it on

1878
01:29:08,600 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 3: my skin. So I'm trying to get I'm starting my

1879
01:29:11,400 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 3: relationship with chat GPT, which it's going to take a

1880
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 3: lot of prompts to get to this point, but I'm

1881
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 3: figuring that maybe it can help me figure out what

1882
01:29:18,479 --> 01:29:21,439
Speaker 3: this common thing is. If you know, by the way,

1883
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 3: let's just shortcut it nine two nine two, thanks very much,

1884
01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 3: or crowdsauce it.

1885
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 2: Do for seel.

1886
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:28,960
Speaker 3: You would have heard in the news at the start

1887
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,759
Speaker 3: of the hour about the man who's killed twice. Complete

1888
01:29:31,800 --> 01:29:33,400
Speaker 3: stuff up from the health system. Let me run you

1889
01:29:33,479 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 3: through the details here right, So this guy's name, this

1890
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 3: is the one that was subject to suppression. The suppression

1891
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,000
Speaker 3: has been lifted and now we know who it is.

1892
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,320
Speaker 3: This guy's name is Elliott Cameron. He killed his brother

1893
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,800
Speaker 3: in the seventies and was declared not guilty by way

1894
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,600
Speaker 3: of insanity fifty years later. Last year he murdered the

1895
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,639
Speaker 3: Christ Church pension of fee pH Alps. Now the trouble

1896
01:29:54,720 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 3: here is that he was obviously obviously a risk before

1897
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,320
Speaker 3: before he killed faith Alps, specifically because he'd killed before

1898
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:06,120
Speaker 3: and because he said he was going to kill again.

1899
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,640
Speaker 3: He warned his cousin Alan, So here's at Helmilton and

1900
01:30:09,760 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 3: he didn't want to leave Helmolton. He warned his cousin

1901
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 3: Alan via email in twenty ten that he needed to

1902
01:30:14,720 --> 01:30:17,200
Speaker 3: stay in hospital. He said, the probability of me repeating

1903
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,680
Speaker 3: the offense outside hospital is greater than the probability of

1904
01:30:20,760 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 3: me repeating the fence where offense where I am, and

1905
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,120
Speaker 3: so disrupting society is less when I remain in hospital.

1906
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,080
Speaker 3: I am currently placed in a mental hospital. I should

1907
01:30:29,120 --> 01:30:33,080
Speaker 3: remain where I am. He repeated this similar vibe to Allan,

1908
01:30:33,200 --> 01:30:36,280
Speaker 3: the cousin in twenty sixteen and again in twenty twenty two.

1909
01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,400
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, the reason he said it again

1910
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:41,200
Speaker 3: was because he heard that he might be forced to

1911
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:43,400
Speaker 3: move hospital because there were some sort of renovations going on.

1912
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,880
Speaker 3: So he asked emailed Allan and said, can you please interveen?

1913
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:51,120
Speaker 3: I cannot move, I cannot leave this place. In December

1914
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 3: twenty twenty two, he told nursing staff he would be

1915
01:30:54,040 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 3: quote hard to ignore if he was chopping up bodies,

1916
01:30:58,720 --> 01:31:00,679
Speaker 3: and then continued his threeat so over the next couple

1917
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 3: of months to kill people if he was discharged from hospital,

1918
01:31:03,640 --> 01:31:06,080
Speaker 3: and then in July twenty twenty four last year, he

1919
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:10,160
Speaker 3: threatened disastrous measures if he was discharged, and then he

1920
01:31:10,200 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 3: went on to kill so clearly. I mean, I don't

1921
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,920
Speaker 3: know how many more red flags you need than a

1922
01:31:15,960 --> 01:31:17,840
Speaker 3: guy who says that he's going to chop up bodies.

1923
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:19,759
Speaker 3: But there you have it. He gave them the red flags.

1924
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:22,320
Speaker 3: They evidently ignored it. He was allowed out to go

1925
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 3: gardening or whatever. This is how he came across her

1926
01:31:25,240 --> 01:31:29,200
Speaker 3: and murdered her with an axe at her house. Just incidentally,

1927
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 3: because it is interesting how he came to be the

1928
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 3: way that he is in the nineteen sixties. He was

1929
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 3: fifteen there about fifteen sixteen. It was in his fifth

1930
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 3: form year and he something went wrong in his head.

1931
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:42,360
Speaker 3: He went, They diagnosed him with a tumor. He had

1932
01:31:42,439 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 3: surgery and after that he changed, couldn't tolerate noise. And

1933
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,360
Speaker 3: some years later nineteen seventy five parents heard the shotgun

1934
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,560
Speaker 3: go off. Was the father shotgun went and had a

1935
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 3: look shot his brother. Incredibly tragic Quarter two.

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Speaker 2: These talks, they'd be.

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Speaker 3: Twelve away from seven and Gevin Gray are UK correspondents

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Speaker 3: with us A Gevin Hi there. They're going to discuss

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Speaker 3: the sanctions at the G seven. But will they actually

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Speaker 3: impose sanctions.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, that's something that this government in the UK is

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Speaker 24: very much looking at, along with the European allies. There's

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Speaker 24: all this talk about Coalition of the Willing coming to

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Speaker 24: the fore again because Donald Trump's attempts to get them

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Speaker 24: around the table Ukraine and Russia and get a piece

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Speaker 24: deals on to that does seem to be stalling, with

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Speaker 24: the Russians showing very little interest in it, and so

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Speaker 24: it's a chance, I think at the G seven, yes,

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Speaker 24: to discuss other things, including of course what's going on

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Speaker 24: in the Middle East. But I think as well, the

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Speaker 24: UK Prime Minister on the plane on the way over

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Speaker 24: talking journalists said, you know, if Vladimir Putin does not

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Speaker 24: agree to negotiate a ceasefire in Ukraine and there's movement there,

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Speaker 24: then further sanctions are bound to follow sort of things.

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Speaker 24: So that's something he's very keen on doing, to do

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Speaker 24: things through the sort of the court of law as

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Speaker 24: it were, and use sanctions rather than any other weapons

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Speaker 24: of choice. But it's certainly going to be an interesting

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Speaker 24: discussion because not all the countries involved are going to

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Speaker 24: be that keen on doing it.

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Speaker 2: Though.

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Speaker 24: Of the G seven, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the

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Speaker 24: US and the UK, as well as the EU are

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Speaker 24: certainly going to need to show unified from Hey, did.

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Speaker 3: You see those guys in Spain are running around with

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Speaker 3: water pistols and firing it at.

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Speaker 24: The tourists, Yes, and being encouraged to fire it at tourists.

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Speaker 24: So this is the ongoing protests in various countries, predominantly

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Speaker 24: in Spain but also now in Italy and Portugal, that

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Speaker 24: they're basically saying tourism, mass tourism, excessive levels of tourism,

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Speaker 24: are forcing locals out of affordable housing. They say, the

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Speaker 24: cost of living now in the city centers is absolutely unsustainable,

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Speaker 24: and these anti tourism protests are getting bigger and bigger.

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Speaker 24: Now while average wages have risen a few percent, they're saying, actually,

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Speaker 24: do you know what, the percentage rise of rental properties

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Speaker 24: has gone up massively more. And Barcelona has twenty million

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Speaker 24: tourists in twenty twenty four, and they're saying, you know,

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Speaker 24: quite frankly, that number is unsustainable when you look at

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Speaker 24: who uses hotels and who uses Airbnb or other various

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Speaker 24: ways of staying over. And it comes, as we're seeing reports,

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Speaker 24: a sort of almost shanty towns now on the edge

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Speaker 24: of some of these very popular tourist destinations because locals

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Speaker 24: say they're unable to live there. So big protests saying

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Speaker 24: they want the government to act to limit tourism, but

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Speaker 24: also to say to make holidaymakers much or much less

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Speaker 24: welcome by perhaps spraying than with water pistols, and even

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Speaker 24: in some centers in the bally Erics islands of the

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Speaker 24: Off Africa that are Spanish saying that perhaps people should

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Speaker 24: put super glue in the locks of holiday apartments.

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Speaker 3: Oh lejes. That's rough, Gavin, thanks very much, appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Gavin Gray, UK Correspondent. May make you feel unwanted today

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Speaker 3: nine away from seven.

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Speaker 2: It's the Heather Tip.

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Speaker 1: See Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered by

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Speaker 3: Interesting little thing is happening in the UK at the moment.

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Speaker 3: This is along England's south southwest coast. They're catching heaps

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Speaker 3: of octopodes octopus because basically climate change obviously, but what

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Speaker 3: has happen Everything is climate change, isn't it. What's happening

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Speaker 3: is that they've got the guys who normally, you know,

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Speaker 3: go fishing and they catch the usual kind of stuff

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Speaker 3: like cod and whatnot, pollock that kind of thing, are

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Speaker 3: pulling it up and there's huge amounts of huge amounts

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Speaker 3: of octopus in there. And the octopus are really hammering

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Speaker 3: the crab farmers because they get into the craypots and

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Speaker 3: the crab pots and stuff, and young young eat that

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Speaker 3: stuff up for an easy feed. And so yeah, nobody's

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Speaker 3: happy out of this. And apparently, yes, it is the

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Speaker 3: climate change and all that kind of usual stuff that's

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Speaker 3: causing these fundamental shift they say, in the ocean around

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Speaker 3: that part of the world. Heather, you're getting migraines from

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Speaker 3: your nylon carpet properly, Heather, it must be your ADHD

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Speaker 3: that's giving you the migraines. Yeah, yeah, yeah, self diagnosed

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Speaker 3: self do well, that's what happens when you go onto

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Speaker 3: chat GPT and you go, do I have ADHD? It

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Speaker 3: goes sounds like it basically diagnoses you. Hither, you need

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Speaker 3: to cleanse your liver. It needs some help. Stop drinking alcohol,

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Speaker 3: take some milk thistle or liver support such as glutathione, Heather,

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Speaker 3: turn on the deep research, ask chat GPT for correlations

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Speaker 3: between fumes and migraines. Hither, it's probably their esters like

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Speaker 3: it is in the red wine and so on, to say,

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Speaker 3: do you know what, actually some of this is really

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Speaker 3: invaluable because somebody says it's the essential oils that are

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Speaker 3: in the perfume, And what it'll be is that there's

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Speaker 3: a regular essential oil that's popping up. So I'd sent

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Speaker 3: cousin Jamie a text just now said, what's the what's

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Speaker 3: the perfume that I made you throw away? So I'm

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Speaker 3: going to get that perfume and then I'm going to

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Speaker 3: cross reference the other one that I know and we're

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Speaker 3: going to figure this one out. I will never get

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Speaker 3: another Migraine in my life again.

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Speaker 9: And are you going to go my way? By Lenny

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Speaker 9: Kravitz to play this out to? No, Sorry, it's quite

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Speaker 9: quite a loud song, so I maybe shouldn't have played

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Speaker 9: a forginning of Migraine. But Lenny Kravitz coming to New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: He was meant to be here in March twenty twenty.

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately at the time he said, due to COVID nineteen

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Speaker 9: and government restrictions, I have to cancel this, but I'm

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Speaker 9: hoping to be back soon. And he's done it. He's

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Speaker 9: come back. It's going to be his first show.

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Speaker 2: Ever in New Zealand.

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Speaker 9: It's going to be an Auckland. You're going to have

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Speaker 9: to get up to there. But it's at Spark Arena

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Speaker 9: on November the fifteenth. It's in support of his new album,

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Speaker 9: but the promoters have promised he's going to play all

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Speaker 9: hits as well. Why did you choose the song Ants

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Speaker 9: because it's the most up tempo out of the three

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Speaker 9: that everybody knows.

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Speaker 3: Why did you choose the song ants.

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Speaker 9: Because it's the most uptemper That was That was the truth.

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Speaker 3: Not because I told you that I heard it today.

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Speaker 9: No, I'm I'm out of my story.

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, hold on, I was listening to

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Speaker 3: Lenny Kravitz today when I was doing bicep curls at leasmell.

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Speaker 9: Isn't that everyone here that does Bicaid phills in the gym?

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Speaker 9: I think she really wants you to know that.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, so listen to this. It was jazzi.

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Speaker 3: It was fantastic. It's great for bicit kills anyway. Either

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Speaker 3: it's off to pie, mate, it's not off the pie,

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Speaker 3: it's off the poee go google as chet TPT.

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Speaker 6: You're welcome. See tomorrow.

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