1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,639 Speaker 1: Sports Tittle this evening, Nathan Limb newstalok z'd be sports 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: reporter and Lavina Good sports journalist. Hello you two, Hello 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:07,960 Speaker 1: the Hello Kirot. 4 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 2: I'm nice to speak to you both. 5 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Now, Nathan, what do you think of those five floating games? 6 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 3: Bizarre? Right? I have no idea where they could go 7 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 3: with that if it lies outside of the regular scheduling 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 3: for tests every year. I mean, the All Blacks already 9 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: play quite a lot, so to have five more, you'd 10 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 3: think they'd be spaced out over a number of years. 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 3: So we're thinking maybe what one extra each year? 12 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: I've thought it was the five four the five years, 13 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: like five games over the five years, so maybe just 14 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 1: one a year. 15 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So like, yeah, 16 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 3: I have no idea where they'd go with this or 17 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: what sort of opposition they look to do do you 18 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: look to someone that we don't normally play? And the 19 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: other aspect is who comes into the play in terms 20 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 3: of who's going to broadcast it, because obviously, you know 21 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 3: there's the obvious ones like our ones, TV and ZED 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 3: three that sort of thing. But I don't think we 23 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 3: should rule out the major overseas streaming platforms. We've seen 24 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: the likes of Dezone get really into sport lately. Obviously 25 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 3: they've done a lot of boxing. They've also got tennis. 26 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: Now Disney has all of ESPN. If you want to 27 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 3: watch the NBA, you get Disney Plus. So let's not 28 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 3: rule out them and the big guns in the NBA. 29 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 3: I don't think anyone from New Zealand's going to be 30 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 3: able to compete with them. 31 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: Now it'll be Saudi Arabia or something, won't it. 32 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: Levina? 33 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so as well. I mean there's no 34 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 2: competition in terms of those big sports. But yeah, I 35 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 2: mean you need to weigh up what's working and what 36 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: isn't working. And at the moment New Zealand Rugby are 37 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 2: saying we need to get us signing on the board. 38 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: We need to make sure we can expose everything that's 39 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 2: needed to be there. But you've also got to consider 40 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: like like the ninety three provincial matches that are free 41 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 2: to air on TV and said that's great for rugby. 42 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: You need to capture the fans and if you're not 43 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 2: capturing the fans, you've got no chance. 44 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't this a Levina isn't this a lesson that 45 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: we have learned about putting sport behind the paywall is 46 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: that it brings in the dollars up front, but long 47 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: term you start to lose the fans and the kids 48 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: want well. 49 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: I mean have that to be honest, that's what's happening 50 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: with netbul New Zealand at the moment. Yeah. And if 51 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 2: you don't capture that grassroots and investment and pathways, if 52 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 2: you're just all about let's get the broadcast deal, make 53 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 2: money and corporate bring it in, then then you'll lose 54 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:10,679 Speaker 2: the audience. And if you lose the audience, as we've 55 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 2: seen for netbulls, and that's a massive concern, a massive contenter. 56 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: Now, Nathan, are you starting to get a little worried 57 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: about how many netbullers we're losing to Australia in the UK? 58 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: Yes, it's got to the point where it is concerning 59 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: the number of players who are leaving. We knew that 60 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 3: there would be a handful of major players of silver fans, 61 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 3: sort of around five or six who would go to 62 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 3: Australia and have the exemptions. The issue is we are 63 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 3: now getting a lot of players who don't have the 64 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: exemption who aren't in the Silver fans, who are still 65 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 3: choosing to leave the A and Z Premiership. 66 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: Because Nathan, it's not just an exemption story, right. We 67 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: were talking about the exemptions what like a year ago, 68 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: but it's been exemption granted at the same time as 69 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: and we're not paying. 70 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 3: You one hundred percent. There are two There are two 71 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 3: issues to the broadcast deal and the exemptions, and I 72 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: think they're actually intertwined because if you're a broadcaster and 73 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 3: you're going do I want to broadcast the A and 74 00:02:57,280 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 3: Z Premiership, what you want to know is who's going 75 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 3: to be playing the A Z Premiership? Who are the 76 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 3: big stars who are going to attract the audience. And 77 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 3: if they know that actually they're going to be handing 78 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 3: out the exemptions and the six best players in New 79 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 3: Zealand are going to leave, then it's not going to 80 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: be as tantalizing a product for a broadcast to bid on. 81 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 3: And then you have less money to pay the players. 82 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 3: The players are going to be taking a pay cut, 83 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 3: So the players then have to make a decision of 84 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 3: do I want to stay here and take a pay 85 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: cut I'm not in the silver fans, or do I 86 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 3: want to go to Ossie, make bank play in a 87 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 3: better competition and live a better lifestyle. 88 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: No, it's a no brainer, Levina. What about Kitty Wills 89 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: has said today that basically the ain Z Premiership has 90 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: become a development competition. Is that true? 91 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know if it's true, but it's like 92 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: she's touted it and asked many questions. But the thing 93 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 2: is if the ains HAD Premiership could attract even half 94 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: of the international talent that Australia has done, then it 95 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: would be a much better competition. And it's a real 96 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 2: kind of balancing act for netball New Zealand at the moment. 97 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: You know, they need to start treating the league like 98 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: it's a product to it's not a stepping stone. If 99 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 2: it's a stepping stone, we've lost nine players, we'll lose 100 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: another twenty if we're not careful. Then we need to 101 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 2: make sure that New Zealand witness netble, watch netball and 102 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: support netball. And to do that, get the Aussi players 103 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: over here. Get more money. You've got to get more money, 104 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 2: get the Aussies over here and make it a better 105 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 2: competition to watch. 106 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: It is becoming a development league though with the number 107 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 3: of play. There is not the depth in New Zealand 108 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:26,280 Speaker 3: to keep the talent, to keep the level of competition 109 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 3: the same. The Tactics have lost seven players. There are 110 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: only seven players on the court at a time, right, 111 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 3: so that's the entire team, and the Pulse have lost 112 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: five and we're talking about five frontline starting player silver Ferns. 113 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 3: You can't just bring up an entire team's worth of 114 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,039 Speaker 3: development players, girls who are coming out of school who 115 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 3: aren't at the Hay and Z level and expect them 116 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 3: to just play A and Z Premiership and be at 117 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 3: the same level. It's not going to be the same product. 118 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 1: No, You're going to have to import a lot of players. 119 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: At the Friday Sports Title with New Zealand Southeby's International Realty, 120 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: the ones fun results, you're back with the sports huddle, 121 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,719 Speaker 1: Nathan Limb Levina, Good Levina, What are the chances the 122 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: Warriors end up in the top four? 123 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: Oh goodness, honestly, I think they'll make the top four. 124 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 2: And as for tomorrow against the Titans, it's great. They've 125 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 2: got Capewell back and to Mighty Martin and we all 126 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 2: know Jacksonville will not be playing. But like the Titans 127 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: beat them sixty six to six last year, Heather, and 128 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: it was like quite a flogging. And the Warrior you 129 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 2: know that, Yeah, the Warrior, Heather. The Warriors are fifth 130 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,840 Speaker 2: and the Titans at seventeen. So here's the thing about 131 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:36,120 Speaker 2: the Warriors. They win the games we expect them to win. 132 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 2: They lose the games that we think, you know, So 133 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 2: I just think, I don't know, like I reckon they 134 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: will beat the Titans tomorrow, but they certainly have a 135 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 2: couple of teams breathing down their necks, including the Roosters 136 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 2: and the Panthers and the Broncos. And what I've seen 137 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: from the Warriors so far, I do not think they 138 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: will finish in the top four when it comes to 139 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: the finals. And it's been like the last time a 140 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: top eight finals four that was introduced with nineteen ninety nine, 141 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: no team outside of the top five has won anything 142 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 2: for a premiership in nineteen ninety nine. But the product 143 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: is so good, it's so good to watch, it doesn't 144 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 2: really matter. I do not think they'll make the top four. 145 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:13,720 Speaker 1: Nathan. 146 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 3: The Warriors have the Titans, the Eels and the Seagulls left. 147 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 3: All three of those teams have really struggled this year. 148 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 3: If the Warriors loose to the Titans, it'll be the 149 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: seventh lost in the last eight games, and the Big 150 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 3: League podcast on Monday is going to be very morbid. 151 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:29,720 Speaker 1: But is that your podcast? 152 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: It is my podcast. It's z B though. We get them, 153 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 3: so we get the plug in. It's fine, but no, 154 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 3: Look the Warriors, it's been the whole thing all year 155 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 3: has been injuries. If you lose your half back and 156 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: you lose your best forward in Mitch Barnett, you are 157 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 3: going to struggle. The fact that Warriors are still in 158 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: the top four is remarkable in itself. If they can 159 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: get past the Titans, they'll still be top four with 160 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 3: two games to go. Look, I think they can do it, 161 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: but it feels a long way away. And the NRL 162 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 3: is a competent where you can have the seventeenth place 163 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: team knocking off one of the top four teams, which 164 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 3: is what makes it so good. That the thing is though, 165 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: if they limped through to the finals, it's still in 166 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 3: the same place and suddenly everything goes up a gear. 167 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: So if they finished top four, it's still not looking 168 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 3: likely that they make it very far in the playoffs. 169 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 2: Okay, well, they won't finish top four, they won't finish. 170 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 1: Okay, right, So it's just it's low expectations. You never 171 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: know what might happen. 172 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 3: Now. 173 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm told Levina that you were at the World Games 174 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: this week and my question is what are the World Games? 175 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: Well, the World Games are held every four years and 176 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: they consist of sports that have not been invited into 177 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: into the Olympics, and it's like a bative event. There's 178 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 2: four thousand athletes that are competing and trying to showcase 179 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 2: their sport. New Zealand did very well in life saving, 180 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: a couple of gold medals in fact. But I had 181 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: a chat with the life saving piece afterwards and said, 182 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 2: you guys did great, and they're like, you know what, 183 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: we actually we're not competing well enough against the European country. 184 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: So what The word I had Heather from the life 185 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 2: saving piece was why don't we join forces with Australia. 186 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 2: Why don't we join forces, Why don't we get all 187 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: the funding, all the pathways everything together and then we 188 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,040 Speaker 2: can beat Belgium, Italy and Germany. And I'm like, that's 189 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: never going to happen. 190 00:08:18,120 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: Don't think I thought there was going to be the 191 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: vision for the future. 192 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: Jason, Hey, it might happen, It might happen, it might happen. 193 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 1: All right, thank you very much. Guys. Nathan, what's the 194 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: name of the podcast we need to look out for 195 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: on Monday? 196 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 3: The Big League Podcast on Monday, Heather. 197 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 1: Don't say I don't do him any favors. Thank you 198 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: to Nathan Limb and Levina Good for more from Heather 199 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: Duplessy Allen Drive. 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