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Speaker 1: News talks. They'd be very Soper, senior political correspondent with

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Speaker 1: us this afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Hey ba, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Right, So in parliament all about the brain drain.

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Speaker 2: A lot about the brain drain today and it was

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Speaker 2: lead really by the Greens. And but you know, the

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Speaker 2: government's being blamed for the issues that lead to people

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Speaker 2: leaving the country. And certainly a lot of people have

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Speaker 2: left the country. When you look at the year ending

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Speaker 2: March seventy thousand Kiwis had left New Zealand. It's one

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Speaker 2: hundred and ninety one people a day leaving the country.

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Speaker 2: So it is big. And I remember I always remember

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Speaker 2: back to John Ken the two thousand and eight campaign

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Speaker 2: sitting in the stadium in Wellington saying that this number

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Speaker 2: of people and again thirty four thousand, so it's double

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Speaker 2: that now that are leaving the country. There are a

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Speaker 2: number of reasons for it. Of course, economic disparity in

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Speaker 2: Australia seems to pay more than what New Zealand do.

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Speaker 2: They have the same lifestyle is another matter. Cost of living,

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Speaker 2: housing market, all that sort of thing, and there's a

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Speaker 2: brain exchange of course, people coming back into the country.

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Speaker 2: I'm a good example of that. Ryan you know, having

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Speaker 2: lived overseas for a number of years many years ago,

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Speaker 2: came back to the country. You learn a lot when

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Speaker 2: you're overseas. There I say that two National prime ministers

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Speaker 2: and John Key and Chris Luxon, spent much of their

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Speaker 2: working life overseas, came back and look what they brought

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Speaker 2: to the country. That's a debatable issue, but it's the

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Speaker 2: government's fault. If you listen to the Greens with their

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Speaker 2: co leader Chloe Swarbrick having a go at the Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister in the House this afternoon before she was shut

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Speaker 2: down by a very sensitive speaker, Jerry Brownlee, The Prime

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Speaker 2: Minister had been making what I thought was a fairly

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Speaker 2: salient point to Swarbrick.

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Speaker 3: That's a bit ironic when you don't support oil and

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Speaker 3: gas and fast track and construction and getting things done

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Speaker 3: and built and actually where to go when they go

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Speaker 3: to Australia, they go work in oil and gas and mining.

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Speaker 3: Get on board support mining and the oil and gas band.

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Speaker 3: Let's get it done.

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Speaker 4: Is it good for the economy for thousands of our

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Speaker 4: young people to be forced to spend their days applying

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Speaker 4: for hundreds of jobs receiving only one to two interviews,

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Speaker 4: leading them to see our country as a place with

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Speaker 4: quote no work, shit pay why stay?

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Speaker 3: Very odd question than come I just primate as seat

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Speaker 3: not taking that questioning further.

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Speaker 2: That was after the sea bomb, of course dropped a

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Speaker 2: cuttle moment ago err not. No notice was taken it

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Speaker 2: of it at the time, and I think Jerry has

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Speaker 2: learned a very valuable lesson in that.

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Speaker 1: Watch your p's and ques he u n got this letter,

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Speaker 1: got a bit of an airing in the chamber.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, it just won't go away. Of course David

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Speaker 2: Seymour sent that letter before it was meant to be sent.

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Speaker 2: It's been withdrawn. Who knows how you do that. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: we said yesterday the Maldi part is co leader Rowery

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Speaker 2: way Tea. He decided to wade into the argument today

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Speaker 2: but seemed to have a little problem with a French language.

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Speaker 5: How does he intend to repair the international reputational damage

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Speaker 5: caused by Deputy Prime Minister on behalf of his government

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Speaker 5: who described the un special repertoire quote insane unquote for

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Speaker 5: raising concerns about indigenous rates.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think New Zealand should be very grateful that

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Speaker 3: we have an outstanding minister for foreign affairs. Someone there

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Speaker 3: is hugely respected around the world, and I trust him

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Speaker 3: to respond on all of our behalf.

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Speaker 4: David similar, let's just speak and normally I let it go,

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Speaker 4: but seeing as we have guests from the French Senate,

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Speaker 4: can we please have it said not repertoire?

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Speaker 2: Very sure.

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Speaker 4: A good number of the House deeply appreciative of your correction,

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Speaker 4: and we'll put that in there in their folk am

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Speaker 4: for future reference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think would be mentioned that much in Parliament,

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Speaker 2: but it apparently fell on deaf ears would seem too

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Speaker 2: white to tea because later he also said repertoire when

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Speaker 2: referring to that said gentleman to be to him.

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Speaker 1: He's probably had his own issues with others in the

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Speaker 1: House and their pronunciations, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: I'd stand guilty of that one.

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Speaker 1: Caps barnyard classrooms finally been scrapped. Have you ever did

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Speaker 1: you taught in a barnyard classroom?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 2: See the good that while I was taught by sisters

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Speaker 2: of mercy, and they had to show a lot of

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Speaker 2: it to teach me, I've got to say, and we

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Speaker 2: were in small classrooms, and you know that was the

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Speaker 2: case of course, with the baby boomer generation, we had

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Speaker 2: rope learning and you know we knew the times table

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Speaker 2: off by.

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Speaker 1: Heart, whips and canes, well, a lot of that.

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Speaker 2: A lot of straps we had not forever getting the strap.

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Speaker 2: But you know, the education system has been something of

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Speaker 2: the political football has, isn't it over the years. Look

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Speaker 2: at David Longe in the late eighties he became Minister

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Speaker 2: of Education, declared himself as that and also Prime Minister

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Speaker 2: and introduced Tomorrow's Schools. Now, that's been one consistent I've

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Speaker 2: got to say, in the education system. He wanted to

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Speaker 2: decentralize it and replace it with school boards of trustees

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Speaker 2: and they're still in place. So that's one thing that

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Speaker 2: came out of that. But these barnyard classrooms, and I

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Speaker 2: heard your editorial about it. You imagine, I mean acoustics,

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have some kids sitting high in.

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Speaker 1: Some kids and outrageous very and some learning. You know,

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Speaker 1: if you're trying to teach maths and they're doing arts

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Speaker 1: and crafts, I mean, the kids aren't going to be

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Speaker 1: watching you, are they No.

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Speaker 2: They're not. And you can imagine kids, you know, if

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Speaker 2: you're in a classroom, say average size classroom, thirty kids.

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Speaker 2: You've got one hundred kids virtually and one big classroom

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Speaker 2: and three teachers. You can imagine trying to control that.

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Speaker 2: I have enough trouble controlling two kids at home. They'll

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Speaker 2: earn one hundred.

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Speaker 1: Controlling myself exactly. I thank you, very good to see you.

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