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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Everyone knows that China, well, they head America by over

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Speaker 2: a barrel when it comes to rear earth's withholding them

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Speaker 2: was one of the Beijing's most effective weapons against Trump's tariffs.

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Speaker 2: The Americans use them in cars, healthcare, electronics, whole bunch

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Speaker 2: of stuff the world does. New Zealand is looking at

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Speaker 2: a framework to sell some of ours to Washington. Harvey

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Speaker 2: k is executive chairman at US Critical Minerals, which is

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Speaker 2: a privately owned rare earth company, and he joins me

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Speaker 2: on the show this morning. Harvey, welcome, Thank.

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Speaker 1: You, Brian.

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Speaker 3: It is a pleasure to be here, and actually it's

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Speaker 3: US Critical Materials.

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Speaker 1: As opposed to Minerals. Just want to get that straight.

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Speaker 3: So you have basically made my opening speech, because the

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Speaker 3: reality of it is is that the geopolitical aspects of

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Speaker 3: this are about fifteen years in the making. And what

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Speaker 3: that means is is that fifteen years ago, basically the

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Speaker 3: Chinese made the statement the Middle East has oil, we

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Speaker 3: have rare earths, and of course we didn't quite understand

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Speaker 3: the implications of that many many years ago. It has

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Speaker 3: now come home to roost, and just as you've said,

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Speaker 3: it has now become a geopolitical weapon. It has been

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Speaker 3: in effect in a long term strategy for a long time,

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Speaker 3: particularly Africa other parts of the world where even if

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Speaker 3: they have rare earths, the weapon that the Chinese use

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Speaker 3: is processing, and the processing that they have developed, in

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Speaker 3: which they controlled ninety eight percent of the world's capability

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Speaker 3: of processing, is old, environmentally dangerous, and it just is

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Speaker 3: what it is. And so about three or four years ago,

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Speaker 3: accelerating with the Trump administration, Okay, the United States realized,

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Speaker 3: just as you have pointed out, that we are in

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Speaker 3: effect not only over a barrel, but the Chinese have

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Speaker 3: their knee on our neck. And that is not acceptable.

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Speaker 3: The reason is not acceptable is because the future of

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Speaker 3: innovation in every area of human development, from medicine to

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Speaker 3: defense to artificial intelligence, is dependent upon having a ready

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Speaker 3: supply of the rare earths. In particular, this country has decided,

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Speaker 3: with a number of executive orders and a number of moves,

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Speaker 3: so to speak, to accomplish a couple of different things,

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Speaker 3: one of which is to accelerate permitting, the other of

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Speaker 3: which is to supply a guaranteed floor price on the

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Speaker 3: commodities that come out of the ground, because many years ago,

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Speaker 3: what the Chinese did is they flood in the market

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Speaker 3: and they killed off the new companies that were trying

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Speaker 3: to develop. And you know, once burned, you know you've

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Speaker 3: learned the lesson, and the lesson is you need to

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Speaker 3: support the price floors of.

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Speaker 1: These critical minerals and rare earths. To that end, I

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Speaker 1: hope you don't mind me just kind.

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Speaker 2: Of going on the wad into it, keep going.

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Speaker 1: Okay, good, thank you.

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Speaker 3: So to that end, what you saw in the news

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Speaker 3: the other day was an announcement of something called the Vault.

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Speaker 3: And what the purpose of the Vault is is to

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Speaker 3: try to put together a collaboration, a consortium if you will,

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Speaker 3: of rare earth deposits the guarantee floor for those minerals

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Speaker 3: and an understanding of process. What we have done is

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Speaker 3: we've adopted a little bit of a phrase at us

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Speaker 3: critical Materials, and that phrase is that we have the

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Speaker 3: keys through the vault, which I.

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Speaker 1: Like saying because it kind of rhymes.

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Speaker 3: But the reason I say that is we have the

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Speaker 3: richest deposit of rare earths ever found in America. As

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Speaker 3: you pointed out, Sheep Creek, Montana, with three hundred and

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Speaker 3: thirty six claims covering eleven square miles, represents the richest

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Speaker 3: deposit of rare earths ever found in America. We average

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Speaker 3: nine percent total rare earth, and to give you a comparison,

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Speaker 3: Mountain Pants has four or five US rare earth has

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Speaker 3: one percent. But most importantly what we have are the

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Speaker 3: heavy rare earths, and we also have an extremely rich

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Speaker 3: deposit of gallium. Gallium is a critical mineral and it

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Speaker 3: is now the number one product on the government's list

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Speaker 3: of must acquire, primarily because there are thirty eight hundred

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Speaker 3: military uses of gallium albe.

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Speaker 2: Just what is the hardest bit? Is it finding them?

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Speaker 2: Is it getting them out of the ground, or is

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Speaker 2: it processing and refining them.

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Speaker 3: It's processing and refining them, and it is getting the

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Speaker 3: permitting done. Historically, Ryan, it has taken fifteen years to

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Speaker 3: do an extraction permit, whether it's mining or any other

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Speaker 3: important material. I did an interview about six months ago

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Speaker 3: or the free World, if you will, is going to

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Speaker 3: be able to get rid of the dependence upon China

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Speaker 3: in any time that makes any sense, because it takes

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Speaker 3: fifteen years to do that. And my answer to that

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Speaker 3: was asked to be when I testified in front of

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Speaker 3: Congress about six months ago. What can we do to

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Speaker 3: help you? You can expedite permitting, and you can create

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Speaker 3: a floor and have an economic floor for these products.

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Speaker 3: In the event that the Chinese, you know, try to

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Speaker 3: do what they did fifteen years ago, we bet.

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Speaker 2: We have very quickly running out of time. But I

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Speaker 2: want to quickly ask where New Zealand fits into this.

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Speaker 1: That I appreciate that question very much.

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Speaker 3: What we have developed is an ability to utilize new

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Speaker 3: technologies based around artificial intelligence, to be able to assess

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Speaker 3: ors that come from other places, be able to match

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Speaker 3: that with the appropriate processes we are involved with five

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Speaker 3: or six of them, and then to be able to

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Speaker 3: help those minds negotiate off take agreements one at a time,

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Speaker 3: replacing the trainees.

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Speaker 2: Ah, Harvey, I got to Harvey. We have to leave

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Speaker 2: it there. This is Harvey k us critical Materials in

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Speaker 2: the United States. As you can hear nosas stuff. Great

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Speaker 2: to talk to him about this we are currently negotiating

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Speaker 2: a framework with the Americans about how we might get

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Speaker 2: some of ours out of the ground, sent there and

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Speaker 2: processed there for more fam.

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