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Speaker 1: So here's a question for you. Okay, should event promoters

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Speaker 1: pay police to turn up at whatever it is, whatever

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Speaker 1: the event is that these guys have organized. The question

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Speaker 1: has been raised by an Auckland MP who reckons the

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Speaker 1: constables and his electorates his electorate are sometimes spending fifty

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Speaker 1: percent of their time not patrolling the beat but patrolling

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Speaker 1: the sidelines instead. Now that MP is Greg Fleming from

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Speaker 1: among the kerk, who's with us?

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Greg, good morning here.

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Speaker 1: So are you talking about events at Mount Smart or

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Speaker 1: is it more than just that?

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Speaker 2: It's more than that. Yeah, so obviously that's the venue

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Speaker 2: that's local to us. But yeah, it's right across the right,

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Speaker 2: across the area, and it seems to be disproportionately affecting

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Speaker 2: the front the community officers. So we've got a couple

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Speaker 2: of ones who are focused in our community of any hunger.

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Speaker 2: And they were the ones that raised us with me

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Speaker 2: when I asked them one night, had long with an

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Speaker 2: MP where they had been patrolling that night, and they said,

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Speaker 2: they've been here, as you said, patrolling the warriors. And

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Speaker 2: so the more we've locked into it, the more I've

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Speaker 2: realized that it's not yet, it's not nice for lated

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Speaker 2: an incident at all. And and but we need to

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Speaker 2: need a little law change in order to in order

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Speaker 2: to change that.

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Speaker 1: And so how much would you expect people to pay?

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Speaker 2: Well, the math that we've run on the back of

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Speaker 2: the envelope at this stage because they've been focused more

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Speaker 2: on terms of the legislative change, it would only be a

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Speaker 2: dollar per ticket, because essentially what you're talking about is

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Speaker 2: that the change would be constrained through really large events.

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Speaker 2: Are you're talking to the forty fifty thousand people at

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Speaker 2: a music or a sports content venue, and then the

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Speaker 2: cost of that on an hourly basis based on overtime.

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Speaker 2: And this is the key thing. So what the law

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Speaker 2: change would do is would allow police to be able

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Speaker 2: to charge an event organizer for delivering police and from

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Speaker 2: that and they'd keep that revenue in a separate poll

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Speaker 2: which they could then use to pay off time off

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Speaker 2: duty officers. So we would have the double whammy. Number one,

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Speaker 2: Most importantly, it would keep our local bobby sexually on

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Speaker 2: the front line. Secondly, it would allow off duty officers

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Speaker 2: to earn some overtime.

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Speaker 1: And is Mark what you're okay with us? Have you

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Speaker 1: talked to him.

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Speaker 2: About yeah, Yeah, he's very support of it. The key

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Speaker 2: thing is going to be to see where it is

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Speaker 2: room on the government's legislative agenda to get it through.

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Speaker 2: So that's why in the meantime I've put it into

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Speaker 2: the Private member's bill so that I can process the

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Speaker 2: idea and then we'll see how we can actually get in.

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Speaker 1: What I do though, Greg, here's the problem with it,

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Speaker 1: because I think it sounds like it's a winning idea.

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Speaker 1: But the trouble is what if Mount Smart is like, Nah,

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Speaker 1: not going to pay, then what do you do as

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Speaker 1: the police. Do you do you go I get fine, call,

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Speaker 1: you get no policing and therefore people are at more

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Speaker 1: risk at the event. Or do you just go I

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Speaker 1: get fine, We'll do a free b for you because

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Speaker 1: you're being a pain.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is why they just sort of change was needed.

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Speaker 2: Because I first looked at it, I figured that there

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Speaker 2: was something in our law that the police couldn't change

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Speaker 2: the services, and then I found that in twenty sixteen

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Speaker 2: we actually did pass the piece of legislation, a Police

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Speaker 2: Cost Recovery Act, which allows them to do it, but

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Speaker 2: they just hadn't applied it to event, so it was

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Speaker 2: just mainly around police vescing. And then however, then we

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Speaker 2: dug deeper and realized that actually the actually could be

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Speaker 2: based on the UK experience of exactly what you just described.

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Speaker 2: So an event organized would say, well, I didn't ask

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Speaker 2: you police to come, so you can't charge me for it,

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Speaker 2: and the courts recently upheld there. So what my law

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Speaker 2: change would do would would make a special category making

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Speaker 2: it clear that just because there is also a public

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Speaker 2: benefit attached to it, it doesn't mean that you can't

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Speaker 2: charge for private benefit. So police would say, yeah, if

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Speaker 2: you have a certain size, we need to have police

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Speaker 2: there in terms of public safety. That's also going to

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Speaker 2: accrue a public a pretty significant private benefit to you guys.

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Speaker 2: That's going to impact I have policing on the front line,

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Speaker 2: So we're going to ask you to contribute to the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Greg, thanks very much, appreciate a great flimming the national

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Speaker 1: and people Mang and Kicking.

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