1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,679 Speaker 1: Afternoon. The world has failed to meet its big target 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: of limiting the rising global temperatures to one point five 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: degrees celsius. The UN now says that we are likely 4 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: to breach this threshold in the next decade. And they 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: say this because, of course, world leaders are making their 6 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: way to the COP thirty summit in Brazil, including a 7 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: New Zealand delegation of fifteen people, and among them is 8 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: Deborah Russell, Labour's climate change spokesperson. 9 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,279 Speaker 2: Hello, Debrah, sure, Heather, how are you well? 10 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Thank you? What is the point in going to an 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,480 Speaker 1: annual get together that has already failed? 12 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:30,479 Speaker 2: All the get together hasn't failed. We actually need to 13 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: keep on working to keep the warming of the planet 14 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 2: as low as possible. Yes, we've missed that one point five, 15 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: but we can hopefully still pull it back and the 16 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 2: only way we're going to do that is by all 17 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 2: of us working together. 18 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, why I say it's failed is because four 19 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: cops are go a COP twenty six. The whole point 20 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: of the thing was to keep one point five alive 21 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 1: and it's failed within four years. It's a failure. 22 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: Well, we still need to work on it. The fact 23 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: is that we will be faced with absolute disaster if 24 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 2: we cannot haul global warming and somehow so we actually 25 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 2: need to keep on trying to find a way to 26 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 2: do it. It does seem it's a really hard task 27 00:01:06,959 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: and we're not going to achieve it unless we do 28 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 2: actually keep on trying. 29 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: Okay, what is your plan. 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 2: When I get there? When I'm traveling with the Minister's delegation, 31 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: so I will accompany him to some of his meetings. 32 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: I also want to find out as much as I 33 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 2: can about me sane and about some of the solutions 34 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: for agriculture around the world. That's a pressing problem for 35 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 2: us in New Zealand, and it helps as many of 36 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: us as possible know as much about it as possible. 37 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: Okay, what I was meaning is, do you have a 38 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: plan on how we manage to stay within one point five? 39 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: Sorry I didn't pick that, not a detailed plan, because 40 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 2: it's very hard to do that from opposition. But yes, 41 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: I do think we need to look at getting our 42 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: transport fleet to electric as soon as possible. I think 43 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: we need to try to get our agricultural emissions down 44 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 2: while still keeping our far as profitable. It will be hard, 45 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: but we've got to do it. 46 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: It's too expensive. We haven't got the money on either 47 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 1: of those things. 48 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: Actually, don't. I disagree with that, Heather. I think in 49 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 2: terms of once we start to make this move, I 50 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: think there we'll find there's plenty of money in it. 51 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,960 Speaker 2: There are ways to for example, to do solar power 52 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 2: that then is cheaper than fossil fuel power, and so on, 53 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 2: so we can generate money through green jobs and through 54 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 2: the whole transition through to a cab. 55 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, do you know what you give it? 56 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:30,640 Speaker 2: Your is? 57 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: It's triggering me. I feel like you taking batory days. 58 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: What you guys need to do. Listen, this is just 59 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: a piece of advice. Anything that reminds us of just 60 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: send it. Just get it out of the vocab, because 61 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: it's a bad time for many of us. Where do 62 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 1: you stand on buying offshore carbon credits? Yes? 63 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 2: Or no? It's complicated. Look, I think we should be 64 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: doing our bit offshore, but one of the ways to 65 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: do it is by helping our specific neighbors with their 66 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 2: carbon effort. 67 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 1: Yes, but do you do you agree with the idea 68 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: of putting money towards buying offshore carbon credits to offset 69 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: what we're doing. 70 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: No, I'd rather see us doing it on shore. 71 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's an absolutely. 72 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 2: No. 73 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: Labour is not going to send money overseas to plant. 74 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: No, if we have to do it, we will. But 75 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: you spend we don't know, because we need to put 76 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: our plans and possibly twenty. 77 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: Three billion dollars Deborah, possibly twenty four and that did 78 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: last count, not taking into account inflation. Would you spend 79 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: that much? 80 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 2: Well? No, I want to try to do stuff onshore 81 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 2: as much as possible first, and starts planting that money 82 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: tree now, ay, not just trees. I mean there's ways 83 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 2: to actually get our missions down, not just to offset them. 84 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: So really do need to work on that, and of 85 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 2: course I want to keep the money here. Oh lord, 86 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 2: we all do. 87 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: Deborah, thanks very much, appreciate your time and enjoy Brazil. 88 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:47,840 Speaker 1: Deborah Russell, climate change spokesperson. For more from Heather Duplassy 89 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: Allen Drive, listen live to news Talk sai'd be from 90 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: four pm weekdays, or follow the podcast on iHeartRadio