1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:04,360 Speaker 1: The huddle with New Zealand Southeby's international realty, local and 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: global exposure like no other. 3 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 2: Just to reminder, Nikola Willis the Finance ministers with us. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:10,960 Speaker 2: After six o'clock we're going to ask her how much 5 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:13,079 Speaker 2: money we're putting into as a rich country into the 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,080 Speaker 2: poor countries to help them deal with the climate with us. 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: Right now on the huddle, we've got David Farreh of 8 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: Kiwi Blog and also Joseph BEGANI of child Fun. Now 9 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 2: you guys, hello, Josie, how do you feel about the hucker. 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: Well, look, he says he did it for good intentions. 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 3: I'm sure he did. He's motivated by showing some unity 12 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,599 Speaker 3: as a nation. But the problem is, I think that's 13 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: a bit naive. I mean, you imagine you're waiving the 14 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 3: mun and we're to hockey flag. You imagine if it 15 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 3: had been I don't know, the Palestinian flag or something, 16 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:43,040 Speaker 3: and you're trying to say, oh, I'm just doing it 17 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 3: for healing and peace, and I just calling for peace, 18 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: it would be seen politically agree Yeah. Oh sorry, I 19 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 3: thought i'd just been cut off then, But yeah, so 20 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: I think it's naive. And secondly, I think that you know, 21 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 3: if you're going in principle, if you're going to say 22 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 3: you can use the hucker for you know, showing solidarity 23 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: for the hikoy, you actually have to follow the principle 24 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 3: through and agree that you have to be happy to 25 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 3: use the huker for something that you don't agree with. 26 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,959 Speaker 3: So you imagine I don't know if Israel Falow or 27 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 3: something who had very controversial views around same sex relationships, 28 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 3: but he managed to get you know, his all Blacks 29 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 3: team on side and the all Blacks and so on. 30 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,080 Speaker 3: If that had happened, we'd be outraged, right, I mean, 31 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 3: I think the principle you're going to use the huker politically, 32 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: you have to be prepared for it to be used 33 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: for something that you don't always agree with. And that's 34 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:32,680 Speaker 3: where the problem is. 35 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you reckon? 36 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 4: David on a personal live Of course, any sportsperson can 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 4: make any political statement they want, right, there's there, right absolutely, 38 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:47,040 Speaker 4: But it's really stupid because what it doesn't unify When 39 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 4: you decide to use your walking position to make political stance, 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 4: half the country probably doesn't agree with you. 41 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 5: And you do it enough. And this has happened in 42 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 5: America with the NFL, etc. 43 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 4: You all start switching off because it's hard to get 44 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 4: enthusiastic about your favorite players and teams if you think 45 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 4: they dramatically disagree with me and don't respect what I think. 46 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 4: And that's one of its best for them not to 47 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 4: do the polity every right to. 48 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 5: But there are consequences. 49 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: I agree with that, Jose. 50 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: I do think. I do think though, that people who 51 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:25,960 Speaker 3: are all sort of canceling their Sky subscriptions and so on, 52 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: that you know, we'll all smell the selling smelling salts 53 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 3: and we'll all get over it, because it's not actually 54 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 3: the biggest problem that faces the country right now. There's 55 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other problems, and I just think 56 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 3: we're pissed off about it, or people are pissed off 57 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: about it because you know, as you said, David, that 58 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 3: half the country don't agree with this, so they're going, oh, 59 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: you know, we don't like you making a political statement. 60 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 3: And again that's what I'm saying is that if you 61 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 3: if you agree with it for those who think it 62 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 3: was a brave thing for him to do and they 63 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 3: agree with his politics, you have to be prepared to 64 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 3: agree with someone who does it for something you don't 65 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 3: agree with you, And I don't think that's where the 66 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 3: problem is. 67 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: David, I tell you what I was thinking. The thing 68 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: is you say like half the country disagrees, is actually 69 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 2: at the last polling that you did, was the last 70 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: polling that we've got, it's actually something more like two 71 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: thirds of people who actually had an opinion would have 72 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 2: been in support of the general idea of the Treaty 73 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: Principles referendum versus one third who wasn't. But why I'm 74 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 2: telling you this is because I want to know where's 75 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: the next lot of polling. Are you guys not polling 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: on this anymore? 77 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 4: Well, look, we have a monthly poll that was We 78 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 4: did a poll last October on it. We did another 79 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 4: one in October. Once the government announce new principles, and 80 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 4: seeing they've now had slightly different principles in the bill 81 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: they introduce, it is our intention to have a poll 82 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 4: in a December on the boss and it'd be very 83 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 4: interesting to see what comes up because any changes may 84 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 4: reflect the slightly different wording, or it may reflect that 85 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 4: people agree with the opponents, or it might reflect that 86 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 4: the opponents have turned them off. 87 00:04:01,600 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 5: So what's for mid December for the latest polling. 88 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 3: We know what though, David, I reckon that people aren't 89 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 3: even reading the David Seymour Act, Treaty Principals Bill, et cetera, 90 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 3: et cetera, because the whole thing has just been pitched 91 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 3: now is that you're either for Mary or anti Marty. 92 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 3: And whether you've read the Principal Treaty Principal Bill or not, 93 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: or whatever you think about it, I don't think any 94 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 3: changing in the wording will change anything. It's now been 95 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 3: very successfully framed as pro or anti Mary. 96 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 5: They're very right, Josie. 97 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 4: But when we pull on it we actually read the 98 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 4: proposed principles out and you're right too that if you 99 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 4: guys't asked about the bill generally you can get a 100 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 4: different response to these are the proposed principles. 101 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 5: Do you agree or disagree on them? 102 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 4: And give me a wee bit away here in the 103 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 4: December poll we're actually going to ask break them down 104 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 4: to the three separate proposed principles to see if we 105 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 4: can find where is there more aggres emant and disagreement 106 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 4: I so speak. We're going to find that very few 107 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 4: people disagree with the first and third Principles, which is 108 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 4: about the government can government quality, and it will be 109 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 4: the second one. Hopefully that will help the public discussion 110 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 4: because if we can actually say we don't all disagree 111 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 4: on everything, it's actually just the wording of one of 112 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 4: the principles, that could be a good thing. But who 113 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 4: knows what the results are, right. 114 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to be absolutely fascinated, Thank you, David. But 115 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 2: now I've got something to look forward to, apart from 116 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 2: obviously Christmas. Like everybody else, the. 117 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Huddle with New Zealand Southby's International Realty elevate the marketing 118 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:34,640 Speaker 1: of your home Right. 119 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 2: Back with the heart of David Phara Joe Spaghani, David, 120 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: what do you reckon? How's the government going? 121 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:38,680 Speaker 3: One year in? 122 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 5: Pretty good? 123 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 4: Actually, I locked around the world and you've had all 124 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 4: these governments like you. Look in the UK came in 125 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 4: with a massive lead and twelve months on they're vacually 126 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 4: like you. Keir Starmer is underwater in his ratings and 127 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 4: I think what you see here is it's just been solid. 128 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 4: They're not more popular, not particularly less popular when they 129 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 4: came and LUXNS kept around in a bridge of a 130 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 4: plus three percent approval rating, etcetera. 131 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 5: And sure you can look at. 132 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 4: The John Kia and say, oh, he doesn't compare that, 133 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: but you look at Australia, Canada, UK, America, et cetera, 134 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 4: and things are pretty good. I think the biggest achievement, 135 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 4: and this will send a bit funny, is making Erica 136 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 4: stand for the education Minister. I think what she is 137 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 4: doing the so quickly and with such determination is so important. 138 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 5: And is by far got the most positive payoff for 139 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 5: as well. 140 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: Aren't we all looks like battle melting her house? Who 141 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 4: you wouldn't be surprised they whispered there under their breath, 142 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 4: but I was honestly surprised it was Erica. 143 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 5: It does shows you human like all. 144 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: Do you know what after she called after she called 145 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: Jen a stupid b ward? When I started hearing about 146 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: all the other stuff that Erica says and all the 147 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: pot he is not even that bad out of Erica's mouth, 148 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 2: and it totally surprised me. Did you know that she's 149 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 2: swore like this, Jose? 150 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: No, I didn't, And and I kind of like that 151 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: in a person. I mean, obviously not on air news 152 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 3: tok z B drivetime, but yes, it makes a human. 153 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 3: But look when I look at the government. Now you know, yes, 154 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: they're not in trouble like Kirstarmer's government in terms of popularity. 155 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 3: I think they do have a vision. I think the 156 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 3: biggest failure, which is going to get bigger and bigger 157 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: for them is their inability to explain it. And if 158 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: you take it to me, then well yeah, so it's 159 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: not my job to explain it. But what I think 160 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: it is, Heather is is basically we were elected, as 161 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 3: as Jacinda Ardun was elected on a kind of wish 162 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: for a government to do something about child poverty, about inequality. 163 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 3: There was a real sense of transformation was needed. They 164 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 3: were elected on a promise of change the economy, get 165 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: the economy working again, and so on and competent man. 166 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: And I think this what the problem is. They haven't 167 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 3: really been able to explain an exciting vision. It gets 168 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: people going, Okay, I get it. So if you take 169 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 3: the he Corey as an example, that was a moment 170 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 3: where any leader needs to step up and stand up 171 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 3: in front of people and go The reason I have 172 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 3: let this treaty principal bill through is because I believe 173 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 3: in a democratic debate. I don't agree with the bill. 174 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 3: So he kind of said it, but he said it. 175 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: He says it in a sort of managerial way. And 176 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 3: I think that's the problem for them, is that they're 177 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 3: doing incremental change. And you mentioned Erica Stanford. You're right, David, 178 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 3: She's come in with a good plan for getting you know, 179 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 3: an hour of maths, you know, compulsory maths and so on, 180 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: but it's not going to be enough to do something 181 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 3: where I think it's like with health, you need massive transformation. 182 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: You cannot solve that long tail and education with just 183 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 3: one hour of maths a week or whatever. So that 184 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:58,079 Speaker 3: I think they're failing to really communicate an exciting vision 185 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 3: and get people feeling really bad passionate about it. 186 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 2: I felt on David a little bit sorry for David 187 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 2: seymore to hear that Luxeon and Amanda and Winnipe and 188 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 2: jan are going on double dates together over dinner and 189 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: David's been left out. 190 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: Maybe it's actually I think he does have a partner, 191 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: does yeah, yeah, but sometimes you need to spend more 192 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 4: time on what can be the more challenging relationship. I 193 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 4: don't mean on all accounts has actually been a stunly 194 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 4: good coalition partner, but there is more history with Winston 195 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 4: like Winston you did have the big divorce with the 196 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 4: national government there, come. 197 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,599 Speaker 2: On fun to have dinner with because he hits the 198 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 2: whiskey exactly. 199 00:09:42,280 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 3: I was just going to say that it's about who's 200 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 3: more fun to have dinner with, although I'm sure David 201 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 3: is you know, God has got anecdotes and can sort 202 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 3: of amuse it dinner party. But yeah, I think it's 203 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 3: to do with a personal connection perhaps between Winston Peters 204 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 3: and Luxelon. And it was probably again a little bit 205 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 3: sort of politically naive to even have suggested that, you know, 206 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: Winson and I have dinners and we do double dating 207 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 3: and David and I have meetings. It's like, oh, I'm 208 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 3: not sure that's helping the polition. 209 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, that's really going to make David be nice 210 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: to you in public. Guys, Thank you so much, appreciate it. 211 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: David Farrer and Josephgani our hut all this evening at 212 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 2: seven Away from. 213 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 1: Six For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive. Listen live 214 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: to news talks it'd be from four pm weekdays, or 215 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,719 Speaker 1: follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.