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Speaker 2: Super Rugby Finalists are set, but later on we will

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Speaker 2: dig in and reveal our all Black squads for the

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Speaker 2: and plenty else otherwise to get stuck into as well.

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Speaker 2: But Liam, welcome in. We have our Super Rugby finalists

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Speaker 2: and look at the start of the clubs. You said,

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Speaker 2: that's the Crusaders the Chiefs. In the final you would

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Speaker 2: have gone, yep, that's about what I expected. Doesn't tell

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Speaker 2: the false tale after what happened in the first round,

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Speaker 2: but the semifinals going to script by and large in

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Speaker 2: terms of who he expected to be the winners, they did.

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Speaker 3: And I mean there was a fair bit of drama

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Speaker 3: in christ Church at least. But yeah, at the start

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Speaker 3: of the year, the Crusades and Chiefs certainly were among

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Speaker 3: the best teams in the competition. I would say the

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Speaker 3: But I think most people would have expected the Blues

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Speaker 3: their dominance in that final, the way they beat the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: They had an amazing season and all the talk around

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Speaker 4: Well, it certainly didn't pan out that way.

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Speaker 3: They came good in the playoffs, but on the whole,

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Speaker 3: you'd have to say fairly under whelming season from the

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Speaker 4: So disappointing year for them.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the complexion of the finalists,

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Speaker 4: A final it should be. Yeah, it should be absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Let's dig into the two games, and the Chiefs just

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Speaker 2: the Chiefs always felt like, you know, obviously they considered earlier,

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Speaker 2: that's sort of how it eventuated. Eventuated some big penal

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Speaker 3: It was interesting to see the two out in Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: At least one of the stands was sort of half full,

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Speaker 3: So maybe there's a bit of apathy, or.

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Speaker 2: I think there is. Until Australian teams start beating New

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Speaker 3: Look, Australia has improved as a collective this year with

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Speaker 4: They did what they had to do.

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Speaker 3: Standout Portmans performance from Damien McKenzie after being shown up

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beloved, that is that is for certain. Look,

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Speaker 3: It was, and you know, you just know behind the

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Speaker 2: CLAYT.

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Speaker 3: McMillan is not a standoffish guy. When he wants to

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Speaker 3: So well, it's such a fascinating final, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: For me, it's a redemption story, a redemption arc over

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Speaker 3: a dire season for a proud franchise that's won fourteen

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and there've been probably the pace setters across Super

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Speaker 4: The most consistent team for the past three years.

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Speaker 2: They held the final in twenty three and then got

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Speaker 2: or thereabouts over the last three years. And that's great,

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Speaker 2: But there are thereabouts doesn't win your titles. You've actually

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Speaker 2: we'll get into the Crusader's blues game shortly, but they

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a tight final. I suspect,

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Speaker 2: They went down and did it earlier in the year.

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Speaker 2: They beat them in Hamilton almost put fifty on them.

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Speaker 2: But finals foot is different and there's a lot of

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Speaker 3: If you look at the two rosters, I would say

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Speaker 4: But yeah, home advantage does matter.

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Speaker 3: Clearly creates a lot of confidence and composure for the Crusaders.

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Speaker 3: But you're already seeing the messages coming out of Hamilton

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Speaker 3: As you mentioned, they've been there this year and actually

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Speaker 3: Even looking at what the Blues did on Friday night,

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Speaker 3: Thirty one to zero at home. There's a lot of

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Speaker 3: Antonina Brown, Simon Parker not too sure where he's at.

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Speaker 3: Right, But of a big blow then, because he has

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting dynamic.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: If the Crusaders do it this year, they really banish

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Speaker 4: that theory, don't you.

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Speaker 2: Well, they do essentially with their third choice depending on

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Speaker 2: First five Rivers Rayhannah didn't play really for the first

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Speaker 2: But you're right, it is absolutely rare that a team

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Speaker 3: There's a couple of points there that the technical kicking

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Speaker 2: He certainly is. Let's take a little deeper into that

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Speaker 2: I was sent some stats last week from neck Bulu,

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Speaker 2: Sport of the final. The Crusaders have a thirteen and

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Speaker 2: The Blues are five and seven record, So that to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: All referees are different, whether it's North South or Australia

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Speaker 4: You have to adapt.

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Speaker 3: And when you look at the actual stats from that game,

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Speaker 3: Ricky Ricky Tully actually had to go to LuSE head

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Speaker 3: Then James Lay came back and sort of shored up

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Speaker 3: I almost felt like they were going to steal out

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Speaker 3: of the death as you mentioned forty phases just and

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Speaker 3: they had no right to really be in that position.

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Speaker 3: They'd been on the rack. You know, I'm writting up

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Speaker 3: that game. I'm like, shit, I'm gonna have to rewrite

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Speaker 3: this whole thing. They're going to do it again that

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Speaker 3: Another fantastic performance from him, and the Crusaders get out

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Speaker 3: of jail to a degree silvery shushes the crowds. And

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Speaker 2: What is about rivalry and hard you know, and that's

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Speaker 2: Rivalries are key to it and we haven't had enough

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Speaker 2: of that. I don't think in super abian recent times

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Speaker 2: as by the bye. If it's a manufactured rivalry, you

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Speaker 2: and the more of that the better. And for the Blues,

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Speaker 2: that actually matters, actually matters. And yeah they haven't didn't

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Speaker 2: but think back to three at Eden Park. They've been

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Speaker 4: We have been last year.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're lost in the regular season, but in a

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Speaker 2: we'll live in the crawl for the Blues is that, Yes,

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Speaker 2: they won the title in twenty twenty four, but the

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Speaker 2: Crusaders went at their best. This is their old rivals,

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Speaker 2: the old foes, and they would know that the Crusaders

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's fair.

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Speaker 3: last year. So yeah, even when the Blues were at

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Speaker 4: And but that's not the case of the Chiefs like that.

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Speaker 2: It's not, No, it's not and that will probably almost

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Speaker 2: Friday is that over the last ten to fifteen years,

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Speaker 4: The greatest rival. Yes, because they beat them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because they beat them. The Blues that you know,

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Speaker 2: got that Auckland Canterbury rivalry of old. But really it's

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Speaker 3: Of time and that probably goes back to the Dave

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Speaker 3: Was that in Christian Yeah twenty one, Yeah, the Crusaders

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Speaker 3: last year when they were white. The Blues absolutely blew

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Speaker 2: Well, our favorites for that it was the last days

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Speaker 4: Played Sam Whitelotte came back from the Achilles, It's right.

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Speaker 2: And the Crusaders hadn't played their best periods that year

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Speaker 2: and that's the one that will hurt the Chiefs the

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Speaker 2: the line preps on the weekend, but they will feel

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Speaker 3: In all those little matches or moments in time build

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Speaker 3: can't remember who scored it, but McKenzie was ruled to

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Speaker 2: I think Sam Kaine got yellow carter for going in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, we do it all again on Saturday nights.

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Speaker 3: So there's so many different battlegrounds within this as well,

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Speaker 3: You'd think he wants it, But if you bank a title,

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Speaker 2: good an idea of what Rob Penny wants to do

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And there's no obvious next cab off the rink

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Speaker 3: Is there? Maybe Brad More, maybe a a Ross Philipo

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Speaker 4: Push them out the door.

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Speaker 2: You don't make it, you don't make a final way

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Speaker 2: that shortly. But I think this has the potential to

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Speaker 2: be a classic final. I think the Chiefs who goes

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Speaker 2: on his favorites.

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Speaker 3: Oh, Crusaders absolutely home advantage, Yeah, thirty one to zero,

437
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Speaker 3: twenty seven years since they lost the playoff game in

438
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Speaker 3: christ Church and they absolutely start favorites. But yeah, the

439
00:22:51,093 --> 00:22:54,413
Speaker 3: Chiefs for me, have the stronger roster, and I think

440
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Speaker 3: they have the ability to play more rugby as well.

441
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Speaker 3: That's a wee bit more higher risk, but I think

442
00:23:01,373 --> 00:23:04,213
Speaker 3: they have more points in them and you know the

443
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Speaker 3: way the Crusaders are going to play, and I think

444
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Speaker 3: there is the Chiefs have more variety to their game.

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00:23:11,493 --> 00:23:15,653
Speaker 3: So I think it swings on home advantage. If this

446
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Speaker 3: was in Hamilton, the Chiefs would be favorites.

447
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be tight final. I really do.

448
00:23:20,893 --> 00:23:22,613
Speaker 2: I agree that the Chiefs have probably been that will

449
00:23:22,653 --> 00:23:25,013
Speaker 2: definitely been the better team across the course of the season.

450
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Speaker 2: But the Crusaders with that ability to play knockout footy

451
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Speaker 2: and put the squeeze on teams. It's a coin flip

452
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Speaker 2: game for me honestly, with probably as you say, Crusaders

453
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Speaker 2: just slightly in front and let's hope the final lives

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Speaker 2: up to that occasion. Live on Gold Sport and iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: Nick Buley, John Haggitt and Craig Kerr will have the

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Speaker 2: call for that one seven and five on Saturday night.

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Speaker 2: You can fid as I said, live on gold Sport

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Speaker 2: or your iHeart Radio will take a break, come back.

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Speaker 2: We've got some All Black squads to pick after this.

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Speaker 1: This is Rugby Direct, a podcast for real rugby fans.

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Speaker 2: Every try try tends sixty take every tackle, tackle, get

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Speaker 4: It's Rugby Direct Talks.

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Speaker 2: You're back with Rugby Direct. Time now for our Final four.

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Speaker 2: And the first topic in the Final four is it's

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Speaker 2: going to be a long one because it's time to

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Speaker 2: pick out All Black squads Liam to play France in

468
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Speaker 2: the three Test series. It's going to be announced next Monday,

469
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Speaker 2: two days after the Super Rugby Final by chairm and

470
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Speaker 2: David Kirk. We sent you some homework. I did the same.

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Speaker 2: How have you gone about slicking your square before we

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Speaker 2: get into it.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting, isn't it, Because I think injuries are

474
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Speaker 3: going to play a part where if we talk about

475
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Speaker 3: offer toing a fussy. He's had neck surgery, not expected

476
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Speaker 3: to be available for July. I've heard that he will

477
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Speaker 3: be back this year for the All Blacks, and I

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Speaker 3: know they value him. He played a big role with

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Speaker 3: his experience off the bench last year, so expect him

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Speaker 3: to come back into the picture later in the air.

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Speaker 2: But he was wearing one of the old Brent Todd

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Speaker 2: Nick braces who was that Blues training maybe a month

483
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Speaker 2: or so ago. Yeah, so hopefully he's back on the park.

484
00:25:09,813 --> 00:25:11,453
Speaker 2: He was optimistic at that point.

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Speaker 3: It's mighty Williams. Sounds like he's probably out for the

486
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Speaker 3: July series as well.

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Speaker 2: So Rock Penny interesting postgame on on Friday Nights, just

488
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Speaker 2: that he wasn't all out of the final just yet.

489
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Speaker 2: So maybe there's a Sam white Lock type resurrection the

490
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Speaker 2: old tree leaves, perhaps in some good Greek food or something.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Get down to Costas and Dmitries, did we so lucky? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Anything, I suspect that's mine games from what I've did,

494
00:25:43,893 --> 00:25:48,333
Speaker 3: so look that sounds like to to you, Lucia, props

495
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Speaker 3: gone if we go through further injuries, Antonine A.

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Speaker 2: Brown? What was that?

497
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Speaker 3: There was Colarbonel So I think he's touch and go.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they name him with a view to a third test.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe maybe you don't not too sure, you know

500
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Speaker 3: the major.

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Speaker 2: Sam Doury's been out for also Bagby with that shoulder injury.

502
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Speaker 2: I noted down Simon Parker, a player we touched on

503
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Speaker 2: earlier in the podcast, as one of mine not considered

504
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Speaker 2: due to injury because I think he's been in a

505
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Speaker 2: very good form this year and worthy of consideration at

506
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Speaker 2: the very least. And that lot name I had. I'm

507
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Speaker 2: missing some others as Kennina holder As are not considered

508
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Speaker 2: because the way that he was finding form before he

509
00:26:29,133 --> 00:26:31,333
Speaker 2: took that injury would have been worthy of at least

510
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Speaker 2: consideration in their outside bag mix.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard whispers that Peter Lucky might be carrying

512
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Speaker 3: an injury. And the other one is Mark Tala of

513
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Speaker 3: course incumbent all black swing hidden off shore. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: interesting to see where that goes.

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Speaker 2: But I picked thirty five names I went with a

516
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Speaker 2: twenty to fifteen split. How do you solve it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure. I quite got to thirty five.

518
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Speaker 3: A few whispers about the flexibility around that squad where

519
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Speaker 3: they actually named thirty five. We saw last July that

520
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Speaker 3: the All Blacks used all of their squad members in

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Speaker 3: two tests against England and Fiji. Obviously a lot of

522
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Speaker 3: changes for the third Test against Fiji. Interesting dynamic this

523
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Speaker 3: time with France potentially bringing out some squad, some frontline

524
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Speaker 3: players from their top fourteen final potentially for that third test,

525
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Speaker 3: so you would expect that to be a tougher test,

526
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Speaker 3: much tougher test than what Fiji would be. If we

527
00:27:33,133 --> 00:27:35,213
Speaker 3: goes to playing, you'd expect Gilbecks to be up to Neil,

528
00:27:35,253 --> 00:27:37,773
Speaker 3: maybe make some changes for the third So interesting dynamic there.

529
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Speaker 3: But I think they will have the same selection philosophy,

530
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Speaker 3: wanting to use all the players they named for July

531
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Speaker 3: throughout this series. So I think there is some flexibility

532
00:27:48,133 --> 00:27:50,453
Speaker 3: about where they nam thirty five, thirty four, whatever it is.

533
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Speaker 4: But do you want to give us your squad? And

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Speaker 4: what I'll do is pick out the difference.

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Speaker 2: Is you want to go py position? Is it probably

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Speaker 2: easiest Okay, let's go with positions, so props. I've gone

537
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Speaker 2: Ethan de Grouz, Olie Norris and George Bauer, tight heads,

538
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Speaker 2: Fletch and Yule Troll, Lomax, Pussily or Tossy, noting that

539
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Speaker 2: to Mighty Williams is possibly out injured, otherwise Tomighty would

540
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Speaker 2: come in for George Bell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a straight shootout between for the

542
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Speaker 3: tour and Norris. I agree, I would pick Norris. I

543
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Speaker 3: think they'll I think they'll go for the tour, you

544
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Speaker 3: reckon the I heard some whispers that Xavier nu Me

545
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Speaker 3: is the other one, and apparently he's been heavily penalized

546
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Speaker 3: compared to those guys and so breakby this year, so

547
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Speaker 3: I don't expect him to be in the mix. And

548
00:28:41,413 --> 00:28:43,973
Speaker 3: it sounds like from the stats I heard that that

549
00:28:44,093 --> 00:28:48,253
Speaker 3: for the tour's scrum percentage record and how many times

550
00:28:48,293 --> 00:28:53,413
Speaker 3: he's penalized reflects very well. So straight shootout I would

551
00:28:53,413 --> 00:28:58,013
Speaker 3: suggest between those two fors and Olie Norris with offer

552
00:28:58,053 --> 00:28:59,053
Speaker 3: and to Mighty missing.

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Speaker 2: Would have been nice to see you have a bit

554
00:29:01,333 --> 00:29:03,253
Speaker 2: more of a game on on Friday night. Obviously got

555
00:29:03,333 --> 00:29:06,013
Speaker 2: yellow carded and didn't really see him up against Fletch

556
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Speaker 2: and Neuwele, because that would have been a good contest

557
00:29:07,773 --> 00:29:11,213
Speaker 2: if we've seen it for the duration, but ultimately ultimately not.

558
00:29:11,733 --> 00:29:15,853
Speaker 2: So that's our difference there. You've got for tour and locks,

559
00:29:16,613 --> 00:29:18,933
Speaker 2: four of them by hookers. Oh yeah, let's go hookers.

560
00:29:18,933 --> 00:29:20,413
Speaker 2: That's probably a good idea, isn't it. I think we're

561
00:29:20,493 --> 00:29:23,613
Speaker 2: on the same page there. But well more is the

562
00:29:23,693 --> 00:29:26,173
Speaker 2: question mark around that ankle injury. We haven't heard much

563
00:29:26,213 --> 00:29:27,253
Speaker 2: out of the Hurricanes camp.

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Speaker 3: He's hamstring, wasn't it. Yeah, yeah, he pulled up lame

565
00:29:31,733 --> 00:29:35,173
Speaker 3: before that semi final was carted off in a midicab.

566
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Speaker 4: So yeah, let's say he's in.

567
00:29:38,813 --> 00:29:41,573
Speaker 2: I've included him in and I've gone Cody Taylor more

568
00:29:41,613 --> 00:29:44,413
Speaker 2: SEMASONI type. If he's not, George Bell comes in for

569
00:29:44,853 --> 00:29:49,333
Speaker 2: were fairly straightforward. I think they want sorry locks Scott Barrett, Tupo, VI,

570
00:29:49,493 --> 00:29:52,053
Speaker 2: Patrick Tybalt and debutant and Fabin Horned.

571
00:29:52,253 --> 00:29:53,933
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be great to see him and the max

572
00:29:54,133 --> 00:29:57,613
Speaker 3: huge raps on the way he came into He obviously

573
00:29:57,653 --> 00:29:59,933
Speaker 3: played for the or Blacks fifteen, but joined the All

574
00:30:00,013 --> 00:30:05,453
Speaker 3: Blacks as a training partner. Yeah, injury cover at the

575
00:30:05,493 --> 00:30:07,413
Speaker 3: back end of last year on that you're being to

576
00:30:08,093 --> 00:30:08,933
Speaker 3: you'd when he came in.

577
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Speaker 2: I think it was for the French Test in Paris.

578
00:30:10,813 --> 00:30:14,293
Speaker 2: Remember seeing him training there and you look across the

579
00:30:14,333 --> 00:30:15,973
Speaker 2: park He's like, this is a huge human. It's not

580
00:30:16,013 --> 00:30:17,533
Speaker 2: that any of the other blocks are small, but he

581
00:30:17,653 --> 00:30:20,933
Speaker 2: just stood out physically and seemed to be right in

582
00:30:21,013 --> 00:30:24,373
Speaker 2: the mix, assertive and exactly what you want to be.

583
00:30:24,453 --> 00:30:27,573
Speaker 2: You could hear his Dutch accent across the training park

584
00:30:27,613 --> 00:30:29,453
Speaker 2: when he was yelling, and you know, that's what you want.

585
00:30:29,533 --> 00:30:32,373
Speaker 2: He came in confident from what I saw in Paris

586
00:30:32,653 --> 00:30:36,013
Speaker 2: and Turin. So look, he's him playing some good rugby

587
00:30:36,053 --> 00:30:37,373
Speaker 2: this year. I think he's still got room to grow

588
00:30:37,453 --> 00:30:41,453
Speaker 2: as a rugby player. But with Sam Dowry out injured

589
00:30:41,813 --> 00:30:46,253
Speaker 2: and Josh Lord not just knocking enough rugby under the

590
00:30:46,253 --> 00:30:49,853
Speaker 2: belt to impress, I think you go, Fabian Hond.

591
00:30:49,853 --> 00:30:50,373
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

592
00:30:50,453 --> 00:30:52,533
Speaker 3: It sounds like you did really come in and pick

593
00:30:52,613 --> 00:30:54,653
Speaker 3: up the line out calls be assertive. As you said,

594
00:30:55,053 --> 00:30:56,933
Speaker 3: a lot of rookies can come and be shy, take

595
00:30:56,933 --> 00:30:59,373
Speaker 3: a while to find their feet. I think it was

596
00:30:59,413 --> 00:31:04,413
Speaker 3: Sam Kine glowing in his praise for Holland, so I

597
00:31:04,533 --> 00:31:07,173
Speaker 3: think you bank on him been their next cab off

598
00:31:07,213 --> 00:31:09,173
Speaker 3: the rank I think would probably be KOI. I think

599
00:31:09,213 --> 00:31:12,333
Speaker 3: he's had a pretty good year for the Chiefs, But yeah,

600
00:31:12,333 --> 00:31:13,773
Speaker 3: I agree Fabian Holland, so.

601
00:31:14,053 --> 00:31:15,893
Speaker 2: Pretty similar to thus far loose forward is going to

602
00:31:15,933 --> 00:31:18,133
Speaker 2: be an interesting area. I have got seven in a

603
00:31:18,173 --> 00:31:24,053
Speaker 2: squad of thirty five. Should I go all right, Ardie Savia,

604
00:31:24,693 --> 00:31:27,733
Speaker 2: I'll be surprised if you don't have him, Wallace Satiti,

605
00:31:28,813 --> 00:31:36,573
Speaker 2: Ethan Blacketdter, Luke Jacobson, Christian Leo, Willie du plus.

606
00:31:36,453 --> 00:31:42,293
Speaker 4: Kaifi, Okay, yeah, I don't mind it.

607
00:31:42,413 --> 00:31:45,653
Speaker 3: I think it's worth noting that Samon Parker would have

608
00:31:45,693 --> 00:31:48,013
Speaker 3: been very close to this because he is a big

609
00:31:48,133 --> 00:31:53,853
Speaker 3: lump of a lad. He's quite dynamic, probably you know,

610
00:31:54,013 --> 00:31:56,173
Speaker 3: still unrefined, but I think he would have been in

611
00:31:56,253 --> 00:31:58,333
Speaker 3: that conversation had it not been for that injury.

612
00:31:58,373 --> 00:32:01,133
Speaker 2: He was all fifteen last year, clearly a player on

613
00:32:01,173 --> 00:32:01,613
Speaker 2: the radar.

614
00:32:02,453 --> 00:32:07,493
Speaker 3: I think you've probably got enough number eight cover there.

615
00:32:07,533 --> 00:32:13,013
Speaker 3: When you look at severe cit t, blackheaded Jacobson, I

616
00:32:13,093 --> 00:32:16,613
Speaker 3: think they'll probably pick even though some Openia I agree

617
00:32:16,653 --> 00:32:20,133
Speaker 3: with you was a penalty magnet, and that is a

618
00:32:20,213 --> 00:32:24,053
Speaker 3: real concern because Scott Robinson is hot on discipline and

619
00:32:24,173 --> 00:32:28,373
Speaker 3: the semi the quarterfinal against the Blues that was not

620
00:32:28,453 --> 00:32:30,573
Speaker 3: a good match. For some opinion, I think he has

621
00:32:30,653 --> 00:32:34,693
Speaker 3: been below his best this year. I think they've invested

622
00:32:34,733 --> 00:32:37,133
Speaker 3: a lot in him and so probably more likely to

623
00:32:37,173 --> 00:32:41,293
Speaker 3: go him over Alio were but on form I agree

624
00:32:41,293 --> 00:32:44,173
Speaker 3: with you, So I've gone some Opennie the only other

625
00:32:44,213 --> 00:32:46,413
Speaker 3: one to consider there, Well, there's a few, isn't there

626
00:32:47,093 --> 00:32:50,213
Speaker 3: any number? So Tutu has performance at the weekend already

627
00:32:50,253 --> 00:32:52,573
Speaker 3: heard him. I don't know if he was really in

628
00:32:52,733 --> 00:32:58,773
Speaker 3: the frame conversation. No, Papali was the heir apparent at seven,

629
00:32:58,853 --> 00:33:00,893
Speaker 3: but I think Doe Carief is blowing him out of

630
00:33:00,933 --> 00:33:05,173
Speaker 3: the water this year. And Kriefe is not the biggest

631
00:33:05,213 --> 00:33:11,933
Speaker 3: guy and probably not as good from a ball carrying

632
00:33:11,973 --> 00:33:16,453
Speaker 3: perspective either. But turnovers it's incredibly hard to come by,

633
00:33:16,653 --> 00:33:20,613
Speaker 3: so valuable the all flexibility to strike off turnover position.

634
00:33:20,813 --> 00:33:23,533
Speaker 3: I think I think Scott Robertson will rarely value that.

635
00:33:24,613 --> 00:33:27,693
Speaker 3: Peter Luckeye is very much the future, but I think

636
00:33:27,773 --> 00:33:32,933
Speaker 3: had a quiet year hasn't kicked on from that performance

637
00:33:32,973 --> 00:33:36,293
Speaker 3: off the bench in Paris, played seventy eight odd minutes.

638
00:33:36,333 --> 00:33:37,693
Speaker 4: I think you've replaced some of Penny.

639
00:33:38,053 --> 00:33:40,773
Speaker 3: He was excellent that yeah, but hasn't come back and

640
00:33:40,893 --> 00:33:42,813
Speaker 3: continued that form, So I think that will hurt him

641
00:33:42,853 --> 00:33:47,013
Speaker 3: and potentially caring an injury as well. So yeah, I

642
00:33:47,093 --> 00:33:49,293
Speaker 3: think we're largely on the same page as the loose Wars.

643
00:33:49,333 --> 00:33:52,373
Speaker 3: That's easily the most contestable area is that there's going

644
00:33:52,413 --> 00:33:55,373
Speaker 3: to be some you think leaving Papalia.

645
00:33:55,773 --> 00:34:01,933
Speaker 4: He's the guy that was groomed as far back as it.

646
00:34:01,973 --> 00:34:04,293
Speaker 2: Was twenty eighteen. He got put in the mix. He

647
00:34:04,373 --> 00:34:07,933
Speaker 2: had a very good season for Auckland and was playing

648
00:34:08,013 --> 00:34:10,453
Speaker 2: some some incredible footing. I remember Alama at a beer

649
00:34:10,493 --> 00:34:13,173
Speaker 2: at the time. I remember asking him, you know, sort

650
00:34:13,213 --> 00:34:17,373
Speaker 2: of about him. He's like, well, you know, if my

651
00:34:17,813 --> 00:34:19,453
Speaker 2: mail is right, and clearly he knew he'd be on

652
00:34:19,493 --> 00:34:21,133
Speaker 2: the All Blacks. He'd be on the plane with the

653
00:34:21,133 --> 00:34:23,573
Speaker 2: All Blacks in the til Sure enough he was, and

654
00:34:25,173 --> 00:34:30,053
Speaker 2: you're right. The here apparent to sam Kin, but just

655
00:34:30,213 --> 00:34:32,293
Speaker 2: kind of has gone off the boil a little bit.

656
00:34:32,773 --> 00:34:34,293
Speaker 2: I think he was good for the Blues this year

657
00:34:34,413 --> 00:34:36,733
Speaker 2: buy and large, but sort of drifted out of the

658
00:34:36,773 --> 00:34:38,253
Speaker 2: All Blacks a little bit last year, didn't go on

659
00:34:38,253 --> 00:34:40,133
Speaker 2: the end of your tour through injury, and I don't

660
00:34:40,133 --> 00:34:42,653
Speaker 2: think he has been good enough this year to go, hey,

661
00:34:42,693 --> 00:34:45,253
Speaker 2: I'm back. Put me in that squad and maybe a

662
00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,893
Speaker 2: bit of NPC might be the best thing with an

663
00:34:47,933 --> 00:34:49,333
Speaker 2: eye to perhaps the end of your tour to get

664
00:34:49,413 --> 00:34:51,533
Speaker 2: him back into some real form.

665
00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:57,293
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how he takes some potential.

666
00:34:57,413 --> 00:34:58,773
Speaker 2: If he does' miss up with mode completely wrong.

667
00:34:58,853 --> 00:35:01,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Let's say he does miss out. There's one

668
00:35:01,373 --> 00:35:03,973
Speaker 3: or two ways that can go right. He might see

669
00:35:04,253 --> 00:35:07,013
Speaker 3: the end of his contract and leave, or he might

670
00:35:07,093 --> 00:35:09,053
Speaker 3: dig in and say I'm going to make a real

671
00:35:09,093 --> 00:35:09,493
Speaker 3: crack of this.

672
00:35:09,653 --> 00:35:11,653
Speaker 4: He's just about to become a father.

673
00:35:13,373 --> 00:35:16,253
Speaker 3: I don't know whether the Blue style potentially has affected

674
00:35:16,293 --> 00:35:19,693
Speaker 3: his game, because it's fair to say that Vern Cotter's

675
00:35:19,773 --> 00:35:23,253
Speaker 3: arrival and that style of rugby hasn't brought ours best

676
00:35:23,293 --> 00:35:25,613
Speaker 3: for me. He is a guy that looks good when

677
00:35:25,613 --> 00:35:28,253
Speaker 3: he's in the wide channels, has a bit more room

678
00:35:28,333 --> 00:35:31,493
Speaker 3: to move when the Blues are playing a bit more expensively,

679
00:35:31,533 --> 00:35:34,293
Speaker 3: probably allows him to attack the breakdown a wee bit more.

680
00:35:35,373 --> 00:35:40,293
Speaker 3: He's very tight in his remit now and it was

681
00:35:40,453 --> 00:35:45,333
Speaker 3: last year where he really got usurped by the All

682
00:35:45,373 --> 00:35:49,453
Speaker 3: Blacks favoring Sam Kain's experience, and I think there was

683
00:35:49,533 --> 00:35:53,573
Speaker 3: a bit of grievance because do you remember the back

684
00:35:53,693 --> 00:35:57,493
Speaker 3: end of last year when him and Jacobsen and Blackhead

685
00:35:57,533 --> 00:36:01,013
Speaker 3: are injured and initially it was, oh, yeah, we're going

686
00:36:01,093 --> 00:36:03,413
Speaker 3: to bring one of them over when they get up

687
00:36:03,453 --> 00:36:05,453
Speaker 3: to speed. I think probably had a thumb injury or

688
00:36:05,973 --> 00:36:09,493
Speaker 3: something like that. I think that they were certainly populi

689
00:36:09,613 --> 00:36:11,093
Speaker 3: from what I can gather, was a bit miff that

690
00:36:11,373 --> 00:36:13,893
Speaker 3: that didn't transpire and actually got left behind and others

691
00:36:13,933 --> 00:36:18,973
Speaker 3: were given opportunities. So yeah, that you would have thought

692
00:36:19,013 --> 00:36:20,653
Speaker 3: that would put a chip on his shoulder. This year,

693
00:36:20,973 --> 00:36:23,493
Speaker 3: he's been good at times, but maybe that style of

694
00:36:23,533 --> 00:36:24,853
Speaker 3: rugby doesn't bring out his best.

695
00:36:25,133 --> 00:36:28,293
Speaker 2: It's quite possible because it is. He was a key

696
00:36:28,373 --> 00:36:31,733
Speaker 2: part in that Leo McDonald era of the Blues, captain

697
00:36:32,533 --> 00:36:35,813
Speaker 2: for a full season with Patrick three Beloto away a

698
00:36:35,893 --> 00:36:39,333
Speaker 2: real leader, and yes, since Vnquad has come in, it

699
00:36:39,373 --> 00:36:40,973
Speaker 2: has felt like he hasn't been able to get to

700
00:36:41,013 --> 00:36:43,493
Speaker 2: his best. So I mean, certainly is the most contestable position.

701
00:36:44,133 --> 00:36:45,773
Speaker 2: You mentioned people secret for you had him as well,

702
00:36:45,813 --> 00:36:49,733
Speaker 2: didn't you. He we saw about penalty magnets with Sma

703
00:36:49,853 --> 00:36:52,773
Speaker 2: Penny Feene now he was a penalty magnet. His discipline

704
00:36:52,813 --> 00:36:54,453
Speaker 2: this year has been very, very good. He spected his

705
00:36:54,573 --> 00:36:58,293
Speaker 2: moments better, that's what you want. And Test rugby is

706
00:36:58,293 --> 00:37:00,293
Speaker 2: another step up in terms of that discipline, meaning to

707
00:37:00,333 --> 00:37:02,253
Speaker 2: be you know, right on the on the button.

708
00:37:02,613 --> 00:37:05,253
Speaker 3: Yeah, and leaderships brought out the best in him. He

709
00:37:05,413 --> 00:37:08,893
Speaker 3: was co captain for the Hurricanes, but he was the

710
00:37:08,973 --> 00:37:13,373
Speaker 3: front man for the Keynes this year, very passionate, whereas

711
00:37:13,453 --> 00:37:16,373
Speaker 3: his hard on his sleeve and yeah, I just think

712
00:37:17,013 --> 00:37:20,173
Speaker 3: he's a point of difference. If you look at Blackheader,

713
00:37:20,333 --> 00:37:24,573
Speaker 3: Jacobson Populi, very similar players. Careefy does bring you that

714
00:37:24,733 --> 00:37:29,173
Speaker 3: genuine turnover exponent and I think that in Test rugby

715
00:37:29,253 --> 00:37:30,573
Speaker 3: is going to be incredibly valuable.

716
00:37:30,973 --> 00:37:32,413
Speaker 2: Right, let's move on to the back line. I have

717
00:37:32,493 --> 00:37:36,173
Speaker 2: fifteen backs, three half backs, Royguard, Hotham Rutima.

718
00:37:36,813 --> 00:37:42,773
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think Christy's probably your number four. But

719
00:37:44,293 --> 00:37:49,773
Speaker 3: the other one Preston purely almost purely because he can

720
00:37:49,853 --> 00:37:52,933
Speaker 3: kick off both feet and that's a real weapon. I

721
00:37:52,973 --> 00:37:57,333
Speaker 3: think defensively there's a few concerns about Preston, but yeah,

722
00:37:57,413 --> 00:37:59,213
Speaker 3: I think I don't think there's any disputing that those

723
00:37:59,213 --> 00:38:00,653
Speaker 3: will be the three half think it injury.

724
00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:02,493
Speaker 2: It's going to be fascinating to see what happens. Do

725
00:38:02,533 --> 00:38:05,253
Speaker 2: you go back to a Finlay Christie who's been there,

726
00:38:05,373 --> 00:38:07,933
Speaker 2: done that, or do you look for another young half

727
00:38:07,973 --> 00:38:10,813
Speaker 2: becking top of Funaki don't know exactly what he's done

728
00:38:10,853 --> 00:38:15,373
Speaker 2: wrong at the Blues. You know he came in who's

729
00:38:15,373 --> 00:38:17,373
Speaker 2: playing some good rugby, became their first choice for a

730
00:38:17,413 --> 00:38:21,413
Speaker 2: period last season with Krista out. Every time he plays,

731
00:38:21,773 --> 00:38:25,333
Speaker 2: he gives that quick ball for me. He would be

732
00:38:25,453 --> 00:38:27,773
Speaker 2: if he was playing consistent rugby, he'd be right in

733
00:38:27,853 --> 00:38:29,253
Speaker 2: that number four mix. But he's just not.

734
00:38:30,213 --> 00:38:35,133
Speaker 3: Yeah, limited chances I guess this year. As you mentioned,

735
00:38:35,213 --> 00:38:37,133
Speaker 3: he was the starting half back when the Blues won

736
00:38:37,173 --> 00:38:40,413
Speaker 3: the title last year and clearly he's been injured, but

737
00:38:40,533 --> 00:38:45,253
Speaker 3: they clearly lost a bit of faith in him. The

738
00:38:45,733 --> 00:38:51,333
Speaker 3: Kropper nines, there's what four or five there, but that

739
00:38:51,493 --> 00:38:54,213
Speaker 3: would be deemed to be ready now is actually quite limited.

740
00:38:54,293 --> 00:38:57,693
Speaker 3: I know the Hurricanes and others were scratching around to

741
00:38:57,773 --> 00:39:02,533
Speaker 3: potentially look for replacements, but there are some coming in

742
00:39:02,613 --> 00:39:05,893
Speaker 3: the form of pledgre Pleedger looks really promising at the Highlanders,

743
00:39:05,973 --> 00:39:08,933
Speaker 3: but a guy like that you'd think at least two

744
00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:10,893
Speaker 3: years off being in that sort of frame.

745
00:39:11,293 --> 00:39:14,173
Speaker 2: Fucka Tava played some good rugby at times this year,

746
00:39:14,413 --> 00:39:18,093
Speaker 2: but I just I think the moment might have passed

747
00:39:18,133 --> 00:39:23,093
Speaker 2: for Fuckatava. Feels like he, as I said, was good distribution,

748
00:39:23,173 --> 00:39:25,533
Speaker 2: but he's still are prone Fuckatava, and I think what

749
00:39:25,653 --> 00:39:27,733
Speaker 2: you get out of Fakatava you probably get out of

750
00:39:27,973 --> 00:39:29,813
Speaker 2: a roy Guard and to a lesser extent to hope

751
00:39:29,853 --> 00:39:31,693
Speaker 2: them in terms of the way that they play. So

752
00:39:31,813 --> 00:39:34,453
Speaker 2: I just don't know that he provides enough to get

753
00:39:34,733 --> 00:39:36,213
Speaker 2: into an All Black Smax at the moment.

754
00:39:36,973 --> 00:39:39,333
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy that's got that experience, and he

755
00:39:39,373 --> 00:39:42,013
Speaker 3: has a point of difference. He's a bigger halfback, he's

756
00:39:42,093 --> 00:39:46,373
Speaker 3: got a real variety of passing game, lethal around the fringes.

757
00:39:46,893 --> 00:39:50,333
Speaker 3: But yeah, hasn't really been in this conversation, certainly from

758
00:39:50,373 --> 00:39:53,173
Speaker 3: the robertsonario and you have to go back to that

759
00:39:54,013 --> 00:39:56,773
Speaker 3: or was it twenty twenty two really when he played

760
00:39:56,813 --> 00:40:01,013
Speaker 3: the irs series, hasn't really been in the mixed sense.

761
00:40:01,613 --> 00:40:02,093
Speaker 4: Injuries.

762
00:40:02,333 --> 00:40:05,533
Speaker 2: Yeah, he has had injuries. Means eligible for Tonga from

763
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:08,493
Speaker 2: July presumably, so whether he takes up that option will

764
00:40:08,533 --> 00:40:10,493
Speaker 2: still wants to play full Blacks. I know he's resigned

765
00:40:10,533 --> 00:40:14,573
Speaker 2: with New Zealand Rugby and apparently has had some good

766
00:40:14,613 --> 00:40:17,173
Speaker 2: conversations about where he's headed. So maybe his time will

767
00:40:17,213 --> 00:40:19,413
Speaker 2: come again, but doesn't feel like it's probably going to

768
00:40:19,453 --> 00:40:25,573
Speaker 2: be this year. First five's Boden Barrett, Damien McKenzie, Ruben Love.

769
00:40:26,373 --> 00:40:27,653
Speaker 2: I've included him in his first five.

770
00:40:28,133 --> 00:40:31,533
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. It would be very hard

771
00:40:31,653 --> 00:40:35,933
Speaker 3: to select Stephen Parrient Pedifectter. He's still for me is

772
00:40:35,973 --> 00:40:42,013
Speaker 3: the next guy, but successive all Black regimes have largely

773
00:40:42,013 --> 00:40:45,933
Speaker 3: played him at fullback and had minimal faith in or

774
00:40:46,613 --> 00:40:49,853
Speaker 3: giving him chances as a ten, and he basically hasn't

775
00:40:49,853 --> 00:40:52,973
Speaker 3: played for the Blues this year because of a debilitating

776
00:40:53,053 --> 00:40:57,773
Speaker 3: calf injury. So I think he's still ahead of Love

777
00:40:58,013 --> 00:41:01,373
Speaker 3: in the first five picking order, but Love probably with

778
00:41:01,533 --> 00:41:06,093
Speaker 3: his versatility in a squad, whether it's wing, fallback, first five,

779
00:41:07,373 --> 00:41:08,093
Speaker 3: he will be there.

780
00:41:08,333 --> 00:41:10,573
Speaker 4: It's just a matter of what he's considered as.

781
00:41:10,813 --> 00:41:11,013
Speaker 3: Yeah.

782
00:41:11,613 --> 00:41:13,493
Speaker 2: For Paraphetter, you're right, just Tom on the park is

783
00:41:13,533 --> 00:41:16,493
Speaker 2: the issue, and he's almost one of those guys that

784
00:41:16,613 --> 00:41:22,093
Speaker 2: has been pigeonholed as a utility, even though he's been

785
00:41:22,133 --> 00:41:24,253
Speaker 2: a regular starter for the Blues. It feels like all

786
00:41:24,293 --> 00:41:28,453
Speaker 2: Blacks level has been pegged as a utility, and I

787
00:41:28,533 --> 00:41:30,133
Speaker 2: just don't know that it's ever going to happen for him,

788
00:41:30,133 --> 00:41:32,493
Speaker 2: to be honest, I think he's what twenty eight this year.

789
00:41:34,493 --> 00:41:37,253
Speaker 2: Ribben Love's five years younger than him. Time's probably not

790
00:41:37,333 --> 00:41:41,373
Speaker 2: on Pedifiti's side anymore in terms of being inexperienced player

791
00:41:42,253 --> 00:41:44,973
Speaker 2: at his age. Do you go with a younger player

792
00:41:44,973 --> 00:41:46,853
Speaker 2: who is also an experience and get more out of

793
00:41:46,893 --> 00:41:48,173
Speaker 2: them over a longer period of time.

794
00:41:48,813 --> 00:41:50,453
Speaker 3: The other thing I'd say is Zee Black's a one

795
00:41:50,533 --> 00:41:56,613
Speaker 3: injury away from serious concerns at ten because the next

796
00:41:56,733 --> 00:42:02,973
Speaker 3: crop attends the gap between McKenzie and Barrett and the

797
00:42:03,053 --> 00:42:04,373
Speaker 3: rest is significant.

798
00:42:05,293 --> 00:42:07,053
Speaker 2: Okay, so both of those players are injured, who do

799
00:42:07,093 --> 00:42:09,853
Speaker 2: you start a chest it ten? Is it rubenin Love?

800
00:42:10,253 --> 00:42:11,933
Speaker 2: Is it Stephen Fetter as Josh Sha.

801
00:42:12,013 --> 00:42:12,973
Speaker 4: It's Peter Fetter for me?

802
00:42:13,613 --> 00:42:19,493
Speaker 3: But wow, like, yeah, even if you lose, you lose

803
00:42:20,173 --> 00:42:23,413
Speaker 3: one of Barrett and McKenzie, and it really does shine

804
00:42:23,413 --> 00:42:25,733
Speaker 3: a spotlight on the next crop of tens in New

805
00:42:25,853 --> 00:42:28,693
Speaker 3: Zealand's and you don't have to look at like, yeah,

806
00:42:28,773 --> 00:42:31,293
Speaker 3: Jacob is promising. I don't think he's had the opportunities

807
00:42:31,373 --> 00:42:34,853
Speaker 3: or kicked on as people would have hoped this year.

808
00:42:35,853 --> 00:42:37,613
Speaker 4: The Hrland is scratching around for tens.

809
00:42:37,653 --> 00:42:41,413
Speaker 3: The Hurricanes head issues this year because of you know,

810
00:42:41,573 --> 00:42:44,973
Speaker 3: the stockpiled nature that the Crusaders have stuck with some

811
00:42:45,133 --> 00:42:48,093
Speaker 3: young guys. But they're certainly not in the test conversation.

812
00:42:48,973 --> 00:42:52,573
Speaker 3: So depth of ten New Zealand is not in a

813
00:42:52,773 --> 00:42:56,373
Speaker 3: great healthy state. And I think when you look at

814
00:42:56,373 --> 00:42:59,453
Speaker 3: the balance of the squad Ten and Locke to a

815
00:42:59,533 --> 00:43:04,053
Speaker 3: degree where the real focus from a depth point of

816
00:43:04,133 --> 00:43:04,613
Speaker 3: view should be.

817
00:43:05,093 --> 00:43:07,493
Speaker 2: Okay, So I assume you had the same group of tens.

818
00:43:07,653 --> 00:43:10,773
Speaker 2: He didn't have a Yeah, I did have Love but

819
00:43:11,573 --> 00:43:15,413
Speaker 2: bracketed with Peter Fetter. But yes, not in a great

820
00:43:15,453 --> 00:43:19,893
Speaker 2: space midfield wise, I have five names Jordy Barrettrico, Juannie,

821
00:43:19,893 --> 00:43:21,933
Speaker 2: Billy Proctor, David Harvelli, Quinn to Pie.

822
00:43:23,493 --> 00:43:24,653
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

823
00:43:25,253 --> 00:43:29,053
Speaker 3: I guess it swings on until Lenna Brown yep available,

824
00:43:29,053 --> 00:43:33,253
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, And whether they take five is probably

825
00:43:33,293 --> 00:43:37,213
Speaker 3: a question. I think four is enough, but because you've

826
00:43:37,253 --> 00:43:43,573
Speaker 3: effectively got three second five's there and two and two centers.

827
00:43:45,853 --> 00:43:49,493
Speaker 3: If it's four, I would take to pire but I

828
00:43:49,533 --> 00:43:51,093
Speaker 3: think they will take heavily.

829
00:43:51,853 --> 00:43:54,093
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is I've named thirty five

830
00:43:54,213 --> 00:43:57,013
Speaker 2: names and they may not go that that far. Outside

831
00:43:57,053 --> 00:44:01,973
Speaker 2: backs Caleb Clark, despite not scoring a single try during

832
00:44:02,013 --> 00:44:05,053
Speaker 2: Super Rugby, which is, when's the last time a starting

833
00:44:05,133 --> 00:44:10,093
Speaker 2: wing would have not had to try for an all

834
00:44:10,133 --> 00:44:11,853
Speaker 2: blacks for you know, an all blacks wing in a

835
00:44:11,893 --> 00:44:14,493
Speaker 2: super routine not was tryph you know, playing that sort

836
00:44:14,493 --> 00:44:15,933
Speaker 2: of rugby anyway.

837
00:44:16,093 --> 00:44:18,733
Speaker 3: Probably it does speak to the Blue style to a degree.

838
00:44:18,813 --> 00:44:22,293
Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean Mark de Liz caut a few

839
00:44:24,093 --> 00:44:26,773
Speaker 3: Cole Forbes, others.

840
00:44:27,493 --> 00:44:30,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, is it a Yeah, it's hard to figure out

841
00:44:30,213 --> 00:44:32,813
Speaker 2: whether it's just a weird statistical quirk or whether it's

842
00:44:32,853 --> 00:44:33,813
Speaker 2: something to be concerned about.

843
00:44:34,013 --> 00:44:37,333
Speaker 3: The one thing about Caleb great in the air, great

844
00:44:37,333 --> 00:44:39,853
Speaker 3: with ball in hands. At times I feel like he

845
00:44:40,253 --> 00:44:44,533
Speaker 3: he goes looking for contact rather than running around people,

846
00:44:45,613 --> 00:44:48,333
Speaker 3: but he also has a week brain explosion in him

847
00:44:48,533 --> 00:44:51,373
Speaker 3: at times. It was the quick line out in Hamilton,

848
00:44:51,933 --> 00:44:55,373
Speaker 3: it was real, one real dusty pass to Boden Bearra

849
00:44:55,453 --> 00:44:59,013
Speaker 3: at the weekend that went beyond him. So he just

850
00:44:59,133 --> 00:45:03,653
Speaker 3: needs to minimize or reader's game of those instances because

851
00:45:03,653 --> 00:45:05,773
Speaker 3: they can be incredibly costly if they go wrong.

852
00:45:05,853 --> 00:45:07,933
Speaker 2: He has resigned with New Zealand Rugby as well. Last

853
00:45:08,013 --> 00:45:09,973
Speaker 2: week's it puts to be the rabbit oz chat for

854
00:45:09,973 --> 00:45:11,933
Speaker 2: another couple of years. I think it was a whisper

855
00:45:12,013 --> 00:45:14,773
Speaker 2: going around. He's going to wide up Pacifica. So he's

856
00:45:14,773 --> 00:45:16,453
Speaker 2: resigned with the Blues for a couple more years. My

857
00:45:16,533 --> 00:45:22,413
Speaker 2: others in the back three will Jordan No, Ammoni Nadawa

858
00:45:23,333 --> 00:45:30,973
Speaker 2: and Leroy Carter No No Severus. Well, I toss this

859
00:45:31,133 --> 00:45:35,213
Speaker 2: up yesterday as I was writing these down, and I

860
00:45:35,413 --> 00:45:37,733
Speaker 2: think for the here and now, Sivrees has had a

861
00:45:37,733 --> 00:45:40,493
Speaker 2: pretty good Super Rugby season. I think for the Crusaders

862
00:45:40,533 --> 00:45:46,213
Speaker 2: obviously broke the record for most tries, but I think

863
00:45:46,253 --> 00:45:49,693
Speaker 2: with a night towards twenty twenty seven, I'm not sure

864
00:45:49,733 --> 00:45:52,213
Speaker 2: that he can get that distance, get to that distance.

865
00:45:52,413 --> 00:45:54,933
Speaker 2: So I'm going Leroy Carter ahead him. I like it.

866
00:45:55,733 --> 00:45:57,693
Speaker 3: I don't think that's the way they'll go. I think

867
00:45:58,613 --> 00:46:01,653
Speaker 3: the Razors showed a lot of faith in Sevu last year,

868
00:46:02,653 --> 00:46:05,773
Speaker 3: way too much. And he was exposed at times in

869
00:46:05,813 --> 00:46:08,853
Speaker 3: the French Test for his pace and he's a wee

870
00:46:09,053 --> 00:46:11,093
Speaker 3: here brainers time at times as I was. And he

871
00:46:11,213 --> 00:46:16,133
Speaker 3: goes He's like a fly in a wine bottle. You

872
00:46:16,213 --> 00:46:18,573
Speaker 3: never know quite what he's going to do, and sometimes

873
00:46:18,653 --> 00:46:22,653
Speaker 3: it works, sometimes it doesn't. There was a tap back

874
00:46:23,093 --> 00:46:26,573
Speaker 3: instance in the South African game, which proves costly.

875
00:46:26,613 --> 00:46:28,973
Speaker 4: I mean, these are little instances, but I.

876
00:46:28,973 --> 00:46:31,213
Speaker 2: Think he's improved under the high ball big time. That's

877
00:46:31,253 --> 00:46:33,293
Speaker 2: been noticeable in Super Ragy this year. He's worked on that.

878
00:46:34,093 --> 00:46:35,053
Speaker 4: He's good over the ball.

879
00:46:35,173 --> 00:46:36,613
Speaker 2: Yeah, And for me, I don't think he's had a

880
00:46:36,613 --> 00:46:38,613
Speaker 2: bad SUPERB. I think he's had a good Super Ravy season.

881
00:46:38,693 --> 00:46:40,893
Speaker 2: But someone had to be squeezed out of that for

882
00:46:41,173 --> 00:46:44,813
Speaker 2: and he was down for a second, but I yeah,

883
00:46:44,893 --> 00:46:46,693
Speaker 2: changed it. Who are your our sobacks?

884
00:46:47,173 --> 00:46:49,293
Speaker 3: I had rece just because I think they will pick him,

885
00:46:49,333 --> 00:46:51,733
Speaker 3: and I've got Lee Ricarda, so I didn't select him

886
00:46:51,773 --> 00:46:54,333
Speaker 3: on in an hour, but I would like to see

887
00:46:54,893 --> 00:46:57,053
Speaker 3: hit a Rees. I just want to touch on Lea Riccarda.

888
00:46:57,373 --> 00:47:01,333
Speaker 3: He's a guy that has just taken this competition by

889
00:47:01,413 --> 00:47:05,093
Speaker 3: storm this year, and some of it's in ways that

890
00:47:05,253 --> 00:47:11,893
Speaker 3: you wouldn't necessarily notice. So defensively, he is brave. He

891
00:47:12,453 --> 00:47:16,453
Speaker 3: is you know, tackles low. Very few people get past them,

892
00:47:16,493 --> 00:47:19,133
Speaker 3: and I think that comes from the seventh scene because

893
00:47:19,253 --> 00:47:22,293
Speaker 3: there's so much less space you have to make your tackles.

894
00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:25,173
Speaker 3: If you don't, you get you know, it's glaringly obvious.

895
00:47:25,533 --> 00:47:28,653
Speaker 3: And the other thing he brings which we don't have

896
00:47:28,813 --> 00:47:31,413
Speaker 3: a lot of, surprisingly and new Zello Rabia's out and

897
00:47:31,493 --> 00:47:35,733
Speaker 3: outpace and you look at the French wing who came

898
00:47:35,813 --> 00:47:42,693
Speaker 3: from SEVENS as well, and the real point of difference

899
00:47:43,053 --> 00:47:44,693
Speaker 3: dynamic pace that he brings.

900
00:47:48,653 --> 00:47:51,333
Speaker 4: Our wings generally aren't that rapid.

901
00:47:51,413 --> 00:47:53,093
Speaker 2: No, they're not. No. It's one of the weird things

902
00:47:53,133 --> 00:47:56,053
Speaker 2: when Will Jordan's a fast player, but he's not out

903
00:47:56,093 --> 00:47:58,213
Speaker 2: and out pace. He usually beats you before you know

904
00:47:58,773 --> 00:48:01,253
Speaker 2: he's gone. And that's the trick with Will Jordan, how

905
00:48:01,293 --> 00:48:02,853
Speaker 2: good he is that you can see things happening before

906
00:48:02,893 --> 00:48:06,253
Speaker 2: it's actually happened. Lero Kara does bring out and it

907
00:48:06,333 --> 00:48:09,293
Speaker 2: reminds me a lot of Australian style of wing Corey

908
00:48:09,453 --> 00:48:15,413
Speaker 2: tool almost you know, smaller but punchier. We don't tend

909
00:48:15,453 --> 00:48:16,773
Speaker 2: to produce a lot of those players and I think

910
00:48:16,813 --> 00:48:19,813
Speaker 2: his SEVENS background has helped big time in that regard.

911
00:48:20,093 --> 00:48:22,013
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think there will be elements of his

912
00:48:22,133 --> 00:48:24,573
Speaker 3: game that will be really tested, you know, under the

913
00:48:24,653 --> 00:48:27,653
Speaker 3: high ball. How does he go with a barrage of

914
00:48:28,693 --> 00:48:32,613
Speaker 3: big South Africans bearing down on him, you know, just

915
00:48:33,053 --> 00:48:35,693
Speaker 3: high hoists all day. Test rugby can be very different

916
00:48:35,853 --> 00:48:36,853
Speaker 3: to Super rugby.

917
00:48:36,693 --> 00:48:40,573
Speaker 2: But it looks something like Cheoslan Colby and how you know,

918
00:48:40,733 --> 00:48:43,053
Speaker 2: maybe felt like he might have been prepared too small

919
00:48:43,093 --> 00:48:44,973
Speaker 2: for Test rugby, but boy, he's been one of those

920
00:48:44,973 --> 00:48:46,653
Speaker 2: players Test rugby for years now.

921
00:48:46,813 --> 00:48:49,853
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think wings you pick on form part

922
00:48:50,053 --> 00:48:53,933
Speaker 3: you can have an element of faith, sure, but there

923
00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:56,493
Speaker 3: has to be a place in the game for smaller

924
00:48:56,853 --> 00:49:00,173
Speaker 3: players and particularly on the edge. So yeah, I think

925
00:49:00,413 --> 00:49:02,053
Speaker 3: Lea Ricarter is a great show. I'd love to see

926
00:49:02,133 --> 00:49:02,573
Speaker 3: him included.

927
00:49:02,693 --> 00:49:05,853
Speaker 2: So our squad was relatively similar. Couple of differences here

928
00:49:05,893 --> 00:49:08,293
Speaker 2: and there, But for me, I mean, how many debutants

929
00:49:08,373 --> 00:49:13,493
Speaker 2: that I pick one and one prop one, two, three

930
00:49:13,653 --> 00:49:20,973
Speaker 2: Holland or five Leo, Willie Kreifi, Holland, Norris and Leroy Carter.

931
00:49:21,493 --> 00:49:23,693
Speaker 3: Yes, I didn't have Leo Weddis, So I think we've

932
00:49:23,733 --> 00:49:27,693
Speaker 3: got I had four. Gil Black said ten rookies last year,

933
00:49:27,693 --> 00:49:30,293
Speaker 3: and I think we are going to see that titan

934
00:49:32,133 --> 00:49:36,293
Speaker 3: four or five. I'd say it's probably at the upper end.

935
00:49:37,893 --> 00:49:39,173
Speaker 3: There will be a bigger squad for the end of

936
00:49:39,173 --> 00:49:41,613
Speaker 3: their tour. But the closer you get to the World Cup,

937
00:49:41,733 --> 00:49:44,773
Speaker 3: the more it's going to be about building cohesion combinations.

938
00:49:45,693 --> 00:49:48,893
Speaker 3: There will be room for the odd person breaking in,

939
00:49:49,333 --> 00:49:51,893
Speaker 3: but you certainly at the start of a cycle have

940
00:49:51,933 --> 00:49:55,373
Speaker 3: a lot more room to expand your squads bring through

941
00:49:55,493 --> 00:49:58,573
Speaker 3: fresh players than you do closer to that pinnacle tournament.

942
00:49:58,653 --> 00:50:00,213
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would also say that I don't know

943
00:50:00,333 --> 00:50:03,133
Speaker 2: that enough players outside of the All Blacksmiths have put

944
00:50:03,173 --> 00:50:06,693
Speaker 2: their hands up regularly enough this year to warrant selection.

945
00:50:06,733 --> 00:50:08,653
Speaker 2: I mean the ones we've named there that I you have,

946
00:50:09,653 --> 00:50:13,653
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of pecking stick with this squad,

947
00:50:13,933 --> 00:50:18,053
Speaker 2: and I think there's players certainly around the traps that

948
00:50:18,533 --> 00:50:20,773
Speaker 2: you know, maybe could have been in the All Blacks

949
00:50:20,893 --> 00:50:23,413
Speaker 2: if they put together more consistent performances. I think of

950
00:50:23,453 --> 00:50:25,373
Speaker 2: a tough Tather Nahwai. His name was mentioned at the

951
00:50:25,413 --> 00:50:27,813
Speaker 2: start of the year. He was good for periods, but

952
00:50:27,973 --> 00:50:30,973
Speaker 2: wasn't consistent enough. Yeah. I know people like the vat

953
00:50:31,173 --> 00:50:33,373
Speaker 2: Can Jackal, but I don't think he does his core

954
00:50:33,533 --> 00:50:37,013
Speaker 2: skills any better than the midfielders that we've selected. I've

955
00:50:37,053 --> 00:50:39,933
Speaker 2: selected and you're selected there today there's been others as well,

956
00:50:39,973 --> 00:50:42,773
Speaker 2: but I think there probably hasn't been enough names knocking

957
00:50:42,853 --> 00:50:45,973
Speaker 2: down the door of Scott Robson and co. To justify

958
00:50:46,053 --> 00:50:48,253
Speaker 2: pushing out some of those more experienced players that maybe

959
00:50:48,293 --> 00:50:50,213
Speaker 2: didn't have the best of twenty twenty fours.

960
00:50:50,853 --> 00:50:52,333
Speaker 4: Yeah, and two other points.

961
00:50:53,253 --> 00:50:56,253
Speaker 3: If you listen to the consistent messages coming out of

962
00:50:56,293 --> 00:50:59,573
Speaker 3: the All Blacks, it's that they felt like they created

963
00:50:59,653 --> 00:51:01,933
Speaker 3: more than everyone else last year and they didn't finish.

964
00:51:02,533 --> 00:51:05,053
Speaker 3: So that's where it comes back to your pick and

965
00:51:05,093 --> 00:51:09,293
Speaker 3: stick and just refining a lot of those finishing moments

966
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:12,533
Speaker 3: the players that they already have. And there's also a

967
00:51:12,653 --> 00:51:15,533
Speaker 3: number of players in a thirty four to thirty five

968
00:51:15,613 --> 00:51:17,813
Speaker 3: man squad that didn't see enough time last year that

969
00:51:17,893 --> 00:51:20,773
Speaker 3: were in the squad last year, Billy Procter prime example.

970
00:51:21,373 --> 00:51:24,973
Speaker 3: So giving those guys perhaps more opportunities, you can have

971
00:51:25,453 --> 00:51:28,973
Speaker 3: changes within your starting team, not necessarily within your squad.

972
00:51:29,133 --> 00:51:32,213
Speaker 3: So I don't think we'll see a spate of rookies,

973
00:51:32,293 --> 00:51:34,853
Speaker 3: certainly not ten this year, right those are.

974
00:51:34,773 --> 00:51:36,853
Speaker 2: At All Black squads. The real thing will be announced

975
00:51:37,213 --> 00:51:41,133
Speaker 2: midday Monday, the twenty third of June. You can follow

976
00:51:41,173 --> 00:51:43,813
Speaker 2: that on inzi Herol dot cot inzed Or on gold Sport,

977
00:51:43,893 --> 00:51:46,773
Speaker 2: newstalksb and iHeartRadio Time Awter the rest of the final

978
00:51:46,893 --> 00:51:50,933
Speaker 2: four Totic number two Olie Mathis. This is an interesting situation.

979
00:51:51,813 --> 00:51:54,053
Speaker 2: A player that our listeners I'm sure will be aware

980
00:51:54,093 --> 00:51:57,893
Speaker 2: of most recently been playing for the New Zealand Sevens.

981
00:51:58,013 --> 00:52:02,173
Speaker 2: Played NPC for Wakato last year. A hugely promising player.

982
00:52:02,453 --> 00:52:04,333
Speaker 2: His ability to play on the wing and also in

983
00:52:04,453 --> 00:52:08,933
Speaker 2: flink maybe off the cheers on overtime. Maybe what didn't

984
00:52:08,933 --> 00:52:11,213
Speaker 2: get a Super Raby contract this year obviously went down

985
00:52:11,253 --> 00:52:15,093
Speaker 2: the sevens path. He's been popping up playing club rugby

986
00:52:15,173 --> 00:52:17,573
Speaker 2: in Christch. I know he's played a few games of

987
00:52:17,653 --> 00:52:21,413
Speaker 2: high school boys at flanker, blindside, open side and on

988
00:52:21,493 --> 00:52:28,533
Speaker 2: the wing. Is a player of interest Liam, what's going on? Yeah?

989
00:52:28,573 --> 00:52:30,093
Speaker 4: Age grade star Oli Methos.

990
00:52:30,133 --> 00:52:33,133
Speaker 3: I think he scored four tries in one game maybe

991
00:52:33,173 --> 00:52:36,733
Speaker 3: against Ossie and yeah the schools on the twenties, something

992
00:52:36,813 --> 00:52:39,573
Speaker 3: like that. So a player of real interest and promise

993
00:52:41,093 --> 00:52:45,773
Speaker 3: is wa Wakato born and Breds. But sounds like classic

994
00:52:45,893 --> 00:52:50,333
Speaker 3: case of shady crusaders dealings here earlier you told.

995
00:52:50,213 --> 00:52:52,373
Speaker 2: Me the story off here. Just sounds like a professional

996
00:52:52,453 --> 00:52:53,613
Speaker 2: rugby environment.

997
00:52:53,613 --> 00:52:58,253
Speaker 3: Yees, so well, the story goes apparently the Chiefs requested

998
00:52:58,293 --> 00:53:00,533
Speaker 3: to bring him into their their squad this year as

999
00:53:00,613 --> 00:53:05,533
Speaker 3: as injury cover and they got denied, and the Crusaders

1000
00:53:05,573 --> 00:53:10,973
Speaker 3: did the same request and it was approved. And I've

1001
00:53:11,013 --> 00:53:15,333
Speaker 3: heard that they overlooked an under twenties flanker from Tasman

1002
00:53:15,493 --> 00:53:18,693
Speaker 3: to do that. So Oli Mathis has been training with

1003
00:53:18,733 --> 00:53:22,933
Speaker 3: the Crusaders this year and I'm sure they've got Scott

1004
00:53:23,013 --> 00:53:24,773
Speaker 3: Barrett and Is here and whoever else sold him the

1005
00:53:24,853 --> 00:53:27,453
Speaker 3: dream of playing for the Crusaders. Obviously the Chiefs want

1006
00:53:27,493 --> 00:53:31,653
Speaker 3: to keep him homegrown talent, so I've heard the Chiefs

1007
00:53:31,653 --> 00:53:35,253
Speaker 3: are very aggrieved about the process, but clearly there's a

1008
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:40,173
Speaker 3: fight for his future. So interesting to see where that

1009
00:53:40,373 --> 00:53:43,493
Speaker 3: ends up, because he is someone that's in demand.

1010
00:53:43,413 --> 00:53:46,293
Speaker 2: He certainly is, and the ability to play multiple positions,

1011
00:53:46,573 --> 00:53:48,373
Speaker 2: I mean obviously going off with the New Zealand under

1012
00:53:48,373 --> 00:53:50,533
Speaker 2: twenties in a few weeks to their World championship. So

1013
00:53:52,013 --> 00:53:53,413
Speaker 2: this is probably something that's going to be sorted in

1014
00:53:53,453 --> 00:53:55,893
Speaker 2: the coming months as to where he ends up for

1015
00:53:56,093 --> 00:54:00,453
Speaker 2: twenty twenty six and beyond. I'm sure the Crusaders are interested,

1016
00:54:00,493 --> 00:54:03,893
Speaker 2: I mean from their perspective. Ethan Blackadder hasn't resigned beyond

1017
00:54:04,053 --> 00:54:08,053
Speaker 2: this year as yet, Tom Christi is perhaps coming towards

1018
00:54:08,093 --> 00:54:10,293
Speaker 2: the close of his career. I know they've got a

1019
00:54:10,293 --> 00:54:12,733
Speaker 2: promising player now, whether it was when you mentioned or not,

1020
00:54:12,933 --> 00:54:15,533
Speaker 2: was Johnny Lee. He's been in the other he was

1021
00:54:15,573 --> 00:54:18,693
Speaker 2: injured as well, so maybe that's allowed Methods to come

1022
00:54:18,813 --> 00:54:21,173
Speaker 2: in at that point because I know the Crusaders were

1023
00:54:21,213 --> 00:54:23,173
Speaker 2: listing him as an injured player, so maybe that was

1024
00:54:23,253 --> 00:54:24,533
Speaker 2: part of it. Is if we list him as an

1025
00:54:24,573 --> 00:54:27,373
Speaker 2: injured player, we might be able to get Methis down.

1026
00:54:27,493 --> 00:54:30,413
Speaker 2: So yeah, watch the Space I guess. Yeah.

1027
00:54:30,533 --> 00:54:33,093
Speaker 3: I think it's worth noting that it's not uncommon for

1028
00:54:33,493 --> 00:54:37,733
Speaker 3: someone to Sam Darry play for Canterbury and the Blues. Yeah,

1029
00:54:37,933 --> 00:54:40,973
Speaker 3: so in a modern professional world this is not unprecedented.

1030
00:54:41,493 --> 00:54:44,093
Speaker 3: But clearly the Chiefs the desperate to keep them and

1031
00:54:44,293 --> 00:54:46,293
Speaker 3: the Crusader's doing all they can to lure them.

1032
00:54:46,373 --> 00:54:49,733
Speaker 4: So an interesting fight for his future.

1033
00:54:49,853 --> 00:54:51,973
Speaker 2: It was mentioned to me that he's obviously very loyal

1034
00:54:52,013 --> 00:54:54,093
Speaker 2: to Wakato, but whether that extends to the Chiefs I'm

1035
00:54:54,093 --> 00:54:56,333
Speaker 2: not sure, but I think he's a Moodler man through

1036
00:54:56,413 --> 00:54:59,053
Speaker 2: and through. So watch the Space top at number three.

1037
00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:01,413
Speaker 2: You're busy over the weekend Liam catching up on the

1038
00:55:01,413 --> 00:55:04,213
Speaker 2: European finals. What did you make of it?

1039
00:55:04,413 --> 00:55:05,373
Speaker 4: Oh, it's plenty happening.

1040
00:55:05,733 --> 00:55:09,053
Speaker 3: Bath won the Premiership title, their first title and I

1041
00:55:09,093 --> 00:55:10,893
Speaker 3: think it was ninety ninety six.

1042
00:55:11,533 --> 00:55:15,533
Speaker 2: So yeah, the prem for next season. You see that

1043
00:55:16,973 --> 00:55:19,653
Speaker 2: brand rebrandship well, Galliga Premiership to the Preme.

1044
00:55:19,773 --> 00:55:26,613
Speaker 3: Well, don't get too creative, yes and yeah, big celebrations

1045
00:55:26,653 --> 00:55:29,333
Speaker 3: in Bath. They had an impromptu one in the car

1046
00:55:29,453 --> 00:55:32,853
Speaker 3: parket Twickers and then a bus parades and Bath and

1047
00:55:32,973 --> 00:55:39,093
Speaker 3: then across the channel Leinster broke their title droughts. I

1048
00:55:39,173 --> 00:55:40,733
Speaker 3: think was it four years?

1049
00:55:41,133 --> 00:55:42,053
Speaker 2: Someone longer than you think.

1050
00:55:42,373 --> 00:55:48,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is staggering really for the the incredible depth

1051
00:55:48,373 --> 00:55:51,693
Speaker 3: of their roster. So Jordi Barrett will return home as

1052
00:55:51,853 --> 00:55:54,613
Speaker 3: a u RC champion. Scored a brilliant tries a chip

1053
00:55:54,653 --> 00:55:57,173
Speaker 3: over the top from the half back. Jordi Barrack comes

1054
00:55:57,253 --> 00:55:59,053
Speaker 3: flying through and then puts a bit of a fly

1055
00:55:59,253 --> 00:56:01,773
Speaker 3: kick in, chases the ball down and scored. So if

1056
00:56:01,773 --> 00:56:04,293
Speaker 3: you haven't seen that, seek out the highlights. So I'm

1057
00:56:04,333 --> 00:56:07,173
Speaker 3: sure Jordie tucked into a few Guinness and signed off

1058
00:56:07,813 --> 00:56:11,373
Speaker 3: his time in Ireland before joining us in Coastal for

1059
00:56:11,413 --> 00:56:13,653
Speaker 3: the All Black squad naming next week.

1060
00:56:13,693 --> 00:56:15,453
Speaker 2: Next week, Yeah, look forward to hearing from Jordian about

1061
00:56:15,493 --> 00:56:17,293
Speaker 2: how is the time in the USC went. I must

1062
00:56:17,293 --> 00:56:20,013
Speaker 2: have didn't see a lot of the USC throughout the season.

1063
00:56:20,013 --> 00:56:21,853
Speaker 2: It's very hard to access here in New Zealand. I

1064
00:56:21,933 --> 00:56:24,493
Speaker 2: know a lot of European rugby. Scribe has watched a

1065
00:56:24,533 --> 00:56:27,453
Speaker 2: lot of Super Rugby, but the same just Nott applying reverse.

1066
00:56:27,493 --> 00:56:31,293
Speaker 2: I'm afraid tough to say. Yeah, I'm sure it's a

1067
00:56:31,293 --> 00:56:34,653
Speaker 2: good comp As always, the USC taking along nicely And

1068
00:56:34,813 --> 00:56:36,573
Speaker 2: this is a story you broke on Friday. Brine Evans

1069
00:56:36,653 --> 00:56:39,853
Speaker 2: Topic four and the final four. Brane Evens, former two

1070
00:56:39,893 --> 00:56:42,853
Speaker 2: Tests All Black slock and owned nine has joined the

1071
00:56:42,893 --> 00:56:46,693
Speaker 2: All Blacks coaching staff as line out coach for this year.

1072
00:56:47,373 --> 00:56:51,213
Speaker 3: Interesting development I think we've discussed and I was always

1073
00:56:51,213 --> 00:56:53,973
Speaker 3: of the view that Jason Ryan's briefest forward coach, well,

1074
00:56:54,013 --> 00:56:57,533
Speaker 3: there's too much, too broad when you think about the breakdown,

1075
00:56:57,613 --> 00:57:01,133
Speaker 3: the line out, the scrum Kerry Cleans, there's so much

1076
00:57:01,173 --> 00:57:04,013
Speaker 3: that goes into that, and not only most international teams,

1077
00:57:04,093 --> 00:57:07,213
Speaker 3: most professional teams, Super Rugby or whatever it is have

1078
00:57:07,933 --> 00:57:11,013
Speaker 3: multiple four coaches right scrum coach, line out coach, you

1079
00:57:11,093 --> 00:57:12,893
Speaker 3: know the Blues, Greg Fek, Paul.

1080
00:57:12,773 --> 00:57:14,453
Speaker 4: Tito, it goes on.

1081
00:57:14,693 --> 00:57:17,293
Speaker 3: So it was always a bit bizarre to me that

1082
00:57:17,373 --> 00:57:20,693
Speaker 3: the All Blacks had their coaching groups so heavily weighted

1083
00:57:21,013 --> 00:57:27,133
Speaker 3: towards the backs, with Jason holland Scott Hansen, somebody Ellison

1084
00:57:27,173 --> 00:57:31,133
Speaker 3: to a degree, they're all Backsdonald Liam McDonald was there,

1085
00:57:31,253 --> 00:57:34,853
Speaker 3: so it does make sense that bringing in someone else.

1086
00:57:35,373 --> 00:57:37,573
Speaker 3: I think it's a surprise. It's fair to say it's

1087
00:57:37,653 --> 00:57:40,773
Speaker 3: Brent Evans. He's not the biggest name. He's only been

1088
00:57:40,853 --> 00:57:43,933
Speaker 3: coaching for since twenty twenty three. He does have vast

1089
00:57:44,013 --> 00:57:48,213
Speaker 3: experience in the Northern Hemisphere, played up there for twelve years,

1090
00:57:49,653 --> 00:57:53,853
Speaker 3: and from what I can gather in conversations spoke to

1091
00:57:53,933 --> 00:57:58,933
Speaker 3: Jason Ryan and web it to Scott Robertson, that's his

1092
00:57:59,293 --> 00:58:02,453
Speaker 3: recall of lineouts. Apparently he can just talk about some

1093
00:58:02,973 --> 00:58:07,493
Speaker 3: lineout from five years ago. So I think that that yeah,

1094
00:58:09,173 --> 00:58:09,973
Speaker 3: very niche, isn't it.

1095
00:58:10,093 --> 00:58:13,013
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think right move for the All Blacks in

1096
00:58:13,133 --> 00:58:15,493
Speaker 2: terms of appointing someone there, because there was a lot

1097
00:58:15,573 --> 00:58:19,093
Speaker 2: to be on jas Ryan's plate for the season, and

1098
00:58:19,453 --> 00:58:21,693
Speaker 2: I wonder whether it was a matter of waiting until

1099
00:58:21,693 --> 00:58:23,773
Speaker 2: I found the right person rather than jumping in and

1100
00:58:23,853 --> 00:58:25,893
Speaker 2: appointing someone until the end. Rhyme is going to look

1101
00:58:25,933 --> 00:58:30,053
Speaker 2: after everything, and so clearly sounds like they found the

1102
00:58:30,173 --> 00:58:30,493
Speaker 2: right guy.

1103
00:58:31,413 --> 00:58:34,293
Speaker 3: Yeah, the only thing I would say is wouldn't they

1104
00:58:34,333 --> 00:58:35,973
Speaker 3: love to have Sam white Lock in their mix?

1105
00:58:36,933 --> 00:58:41,213
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. But from what I say, Sam Whitelock's sort

1106
00:58:41,253 --> 00:58:43,853
Speaker 2: of inching towards beginning of coaching career. I think he's

1107
00:58:43,893 --> 00:58:47,653
Speaker 2: doing some work in Argentina in the next week while

1108
00:58:47,733 --> 00:58:51,173
Speaker 2: around some coaching camps over the year, very early days.

1109
00:58:51,373 --> 00:58:54,333
Speaker 2: And no one's doubting that the class of Sam white

1110
00:58:54,373 --> 00:58:57,893
Speaker 2: Lock and is the rugby ability. But it's also a

1111
00:58:57,933 --> 00:59:01,093
Speaker 2: different matter coaching to being a great player versus a

1112
00:59:01,093 --> 00:59:03,173
Speaker 2: great coach. And yeah, Sam white Locke called the All Blacks,

1113
00:59:03,213 --> 00:59:05,093
Speaker 2: lineouts and various things for a number of years. But

1114
00:59:05,813 --> 00:59:07,653
Speaker 2: you know, Brene Evans was a two test All Black.

1115
00:59:07,693 --> 00:59:09,773
Speaker 2: But doesn't mean it wasn't a great rugby mind. And

1116
00:59:09,853 --> 00:59:12,653
Speaker 2: sometimes you've got players that are better rugby mines and

1117
00:59:12,733 --> 00:59:15,013
Speaker 2: their bodies will actually allow them to be on the park.

1118
00:59:15,093 --> 00:59:16,893
Speaker 2: You know, they can see everything happening, they can do it,

1119
00:59:16,973 --> 00:59:20,693
Speaker 2: they just can't quite physically do it, so that may

1120
00:59:20,733 --> 00:59:22,533
Speaker 2: be one of those cases here and Brilliants was a

1121
00:59:22,613 --> 00:59:24,693
Speaker 2: very very good Super Rugby player, very good you know,

1122
00:59:24,853 --> 00:59:26,133
Speaker 2: domestic player up north as well.

1123
00:59:26,533 --> 00:59:30,333
Speaker 3: Johnny sixth didn't waste any time mate, straight into island

1124
00:59:30,493 --> 00:59:31,973
Speaker 3: the British and Irish Lions.

1125
00:59:32,213 --> 00:59:36,333
Speaker 2: Yeah, but what did Johnny sixthon actually win? It's one

1126
00:59:36,373 --> 00:59:39,213
Speaker 2: for our all right, that's probably a good night to

1127
00:59:39,253 --> 00:59:42,053
Speaker 2: move into the tipping and let's tip the Super Rugby Final,

1128
00:59:43,333 --> 00:59:45,533
Speaker 2: last tip of the season. I lead by seven points.

1129
00:59:46,733 --> 00:59:47,573
Speaker 4: Is it all or nothing?

1130
00:59:47,813 --> 00:59:52,213
Speaker 2: It's not quit it sure fucking anything else? I lead

1131
00:59:52,253 --> 00:59:55,213
Speaker 2: by seven points, fifty seven point five to fifty point five.

1132
00:59:55,253 --> 00:59:57,493
Speaker 2: You picked the Blues Chiefs Final. I picked Crusaders Chiefs

1133
00:59:57,773 --> 00:59:59,413
Speaker 2: Liam who will win Super Rugby?

1134
01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:04,653
Speaker 4: It's got two words for you, Elliott Chiefs Mina, I've.

1135
01:00:04,493 --> 01:00:07,213
Speaker 2: Got two words back for your crusade on out a

1136
01:00:07,253 --> 01:00:10,933
Speaker 2: third Crusader on b I'm going to Crusaders. You're going

1137
01:00:10,973 --> 01:00:13,893
Speaker 2: to cheat. I don't think there's anything I'm never any

1138
01:00:13,933 --> 01:00:17,253
Speaker 2: doubt about that was there? No. I'll best luck and

1139
01:00:17,373 --> 01:00:20,453
Speaker 2: your three two ones in the Rugby Direct MVP Middle

1140
01:00:22,253 --> 01:00:24,453
Speaker 2: the weekend confirmed actually by the way that Artie Savia

1141
01:00:25,173 --> 01:00:27,573
Speaker 2: is the winner of our MVP medal, the most important

1142
01:00:27,693 --> 01:00:29,853
Speaker 2: MVP medal going around. He is going to be on

1143
01:00:30,053 --> 01:00:32,933
Speaker 2: cloud nine. He can't, he will be. He can't be

1144
01:00:32,973 --> 01:00:37,213
Speaker 2: overtaken now because Boden Barrett's one isn't playing the final

1145
01:00:37,333 --> 01:00:40,453
Speaker 2: and well two isn't getting any points from me for

1146
01:00:40,533 --> 01:00:43,253
Speaker 2: this week, so he can't make up the eleven point

1147
01:00:43,333 --> 01:00:46,013
Speaker 2: gap over the couple of weeks. So congratulations Artie savi

1148
01:00:46,093 --> 01:00:48,933
Speaker 2: a on twenty five from Boden Baron on fourteen. Hoskins

1149
01:00:48,973 --> 01:00:50,693
Speaker 2: so two too on twelve. I don't think Hoskins is

1150
01:00:50,733 --> 01:00:53,133
Speaker 2: going to get any points this week either somehow. But

1151
01:00:53,213 --> 01:00:55,973
Speaker 2: my three two ones I'll go first. Will Jordan three,

1152
01:00:56,613 --> 01:00:59,173
Speaker 2: Damian McKinzie two, Ethan Blackhead are one. I don't thinkre's

1153
01:00:59,173 --> 01:01:00,933
Speaker 2: any explanation needed for any of those. They were the

1154
01:01:00,933 --> 01:01:02,133
Speaker 2: standout players from those games.

1155
01:01:02,413 --> 01:01:06,053
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, fair enough, I'm going McKinsey three, Blackhead. I

1156
01:01:06,093 --> 01:01:07,613
Speaker 3: think it didn't make twenty.

1157
01:01:07,493 --> 01:01:09,773
Speaker 2: Thirty or ten sackles thing was in the India and

1158
01:01:11,053 --> 01:01:11,533
Speaker 2: I was going.

1159
01:01:11,453 --> 01:01:14,173
Speaker 3: To give it to Heavily or Jordan, but I'm actually

1160
01:01:14,173 --> 01:01:16,893
Speaker 3: going to give one to James Dolman just for helping

1161
01:01:16,933 --> 01:01:18,013
Speaker 3: your crusaders to the final.

1162
01:01:18,053 --> 01:01:20,413
Speaker 2: No, I won't accept that down.

1163
01:01:21,813 --> 01:01:22,773
Speaker 4: All right, we'll go heavily.

1164
01:01:22,893 --> 01:01:26,213
Speaker 2: Then it's great news. Did you have a villion you're

1165
01:01:26,213 --> 01:01:26,933
Speaker 2: All Black squad? You did?

1166
01:01:27,093 --> 01:01:29,813
Speaker 4: I didn't know. I went to play. Okay, Well, so

1167
01:01:29,933 --> 01:01:31,413
Speaker 4: big big heads to hit this week.

1168
01:01:31,613 --> 01:01:35,133
Speaker 2: There's a consolation point there for you in the relationship.

1169
01:01:35,133 --> 01:01:36,333
Speaker 2: I just try to find the number of tackles that

1170
01:01:36,373 --> 01:01:37,573
Speaker 2: black Headed to make because it was a hell of

1171
01:01:37,613 --> 01:01:41,053
Speaker 2: a shift. Thirty one thirty one Yeah at a rugby

1172
01:01:41,133 --> 01:01:42,173
Speaker 2: union game. So it's a good one.

1173
01:01:42,213 --> 01:01:44,373
Speaker 4: Beaten and bloodied. What do you have four or five

1174
01:01:44,453 --> 01:01:46,093
Speaker 4: stitches in his eye?

1175
01:01:46,373 --> 01:01:50,613
Speaker 2: So yeah, beg effort, big old go for Ethan blackadded,

1176
01:01:50,653 --> 01:01:52,613
Speaker 2: they'll do us for rugby Derick for another week through

1177
01:01:52,653 --> 01:01:54,293
Speaker 2: to our friends that have it health techling, will your

1178
01:01:54,293 --> 01:01:56,893
Speaker 2: aches and pains for sporting will be back next week.

1179
01:01:56,973 --> 01:01:58,533
Speaker 2: It's going to be a busy old Monday for us

1180
01:01:58,573 --> 01:02:00,453
Speaker 2: with the All Black Squad naming, also a super Rugby

1181
01:02:00,493 --> 01:02:04,173
Speaker 2: final to wrap up as well, hopefully Monday on your feeds.

1182
01:02:04,213 --> 01:02:06,413
Speaker 2: If not, then we'll be back with you on at

1183
01:02:06,453 --> 01:02:08,213
Speaker 2: some point Tuesday to wrap up the All Black Squad

1184
01:02:08,253 --> 01:02:09,813
Speaker 2: and a busy weekend of rugby.

1185
01:02:10,093 --> 01:02:10,933
Speaker 4: Yeah, look forward to that.

1186
01:02:11,093 --> 01:02:14,853
Speaker 3: Hopefully Smiley Barrett's should be an open Barret coast to

1187
01:02:14,893 --> 01:02:15,293
Speaker 3: us to speak.

1188
01:02:15,333 --> 01:02:17,053
Speaker 2: What's the local drop down there? I was actually asking

1189
01:02:17,213 --> 01:02:18,973
Speaker 2: Scott Robinson that the other day and we couldn't quite

1190
01:02:19,013 --> 01:02:21,773
Speaker 2: place it. So have to teach us the way, Smiley

1191
01:02:21,853 --> 01:02:25,533
Speaker 2: of what the tuna mucky local droppers look forward to that.

1192
01:02:25,813 --> 01:02:27,253
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't imagine he's brought a beer in.

1193
01:02:27,573 --> 01:02:29,773
Speaker 2: Must be Yarrow's beer or something like that right there,

1194
01:02:29,813 --> 01:02:31,813
Speaker 2: or do us? Thanks to last and bars English. As always,

1195
01:02:31,853 --> 01:02:32,413
Speaker 2: we will catch you.

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