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Speaker 1: A taxpayers union. Caurier Pole today wouldn't let the coalition

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Speaker 1: parties form a government. With a sharp almost four percentage

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Speaker 1: point jump and support for the Greens, the left block

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Speaker 1: of Parliament could form a government with sixty one seats

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Speaker 1: compared to fifty nine on the other side of the house.

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Speaker 1: Fifty percent of the respondents and this is the part

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Speaker 1: that we'll worry the government say the country is moving

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Speaker 1: in the wrong direction. Just thirty four feel it's moving

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Speaker 1: in the right direction. The Labour leaders Chris Hipkins's with

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Speaker 1: me this evening. Good evening, Koday, Ryan, What do you

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Speaker 1: put this down to because it's not you going up,

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Speaker 1: it's the Greens, right.

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Speaker 2: I think that the people can see that the country's

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Speaker 2: going in the wrong direction. Actually, Labor has been going

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Speaker 2: up in all of the recent polls that have been

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Speaker 2: released since Christmas. I'm encouraged by that. But we know

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Speaker 2: we've got a lot of work to do. You know,

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Speaker 2: we've still got a year and a half to go.

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Speaker 2: So polls at this point, you know, are interesting and

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Speaker 2: it's nice to be doing well in them, but you know,

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Speaker 2: I think we've still got a fair amount of water

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Speaker 2: to flow under the bridge.

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Speaker 1: Just Yet the Prime minister's talking about a summit to

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Speaker 1: attract foreign investment into New Zealand. There's one hundred big

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Speaker 1: wigs come here next month. Are you supporting that? And

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Speaker 1: do you support some of the fast track projects, some

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Speaker 1: of the roads of national significance, the infrastructure project that

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Speaker 1: they are going to be selling to these money men

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Speaker 1: and women to try and get growth out of New

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Speaker 1: Zealand foreign investment.

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Speaker 2: You know, we need to be strategic about the foreign

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Speaker 2: investment we want in New Zealand. So we want foreign

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Speaker 2: investment that helps our entrepreneurs to set up and grow

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Speaker 2: companies that are going to create jobs, create higher incomes

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Speaker 2: for New Zealanders. Similarly carving the country up and howking

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Speaker 2: it off to overseas investors who are more interested in

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Speaker 2: extracting a dividend.

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Speaker 1: Who's carving New Zealand up and howking it off?

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Speaker 2: Well, if you look at them, if you look at

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Speaker 2: what the current government are talking about, they're saying ideally

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Speaker 2: they'd like to be able to sell them residential houses.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to make New Zealand richer as a company, but.

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Speaker 1: They're not doing it. So are you against the changes

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Speaker 1: that they've announced?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure that the visa changes are going

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Speaker 2: to blake New Zealand a richer place.

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Speaker 1: Do you make New Zealand of it place? Because you

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Speaker 1: guys didn't.

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Speaker 2: So if you look at it, there's there's a bunch

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Speaker 2: of stuff we need to do R and D, research

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Speaker 2: and development. We're well below the average in terms of

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Speaker 2: what we should be investing on research and development. We

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Speaker 2: need to increase our own savings in New Zealand, so

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Speaker 2: we had more money to invest here in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: We've already got some quite a lot of money, and

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Speaker 2: Key we Saver, for example, it's being invested off because

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Speaker 2: those key we Saver fans can't find things to borrow.

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Speaker 1: Politicians since Moses was a linebacker, has said R and

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Speaker 1: D up the wazoo. What's happened?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 1: I mean, at least we have got at least these

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Speaker 1: guys have got a list of projects that they are

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Speaker 1: going out to the market and saying, here, invest in these.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is tangible stuff, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: Well, if you mean investing in things like that, or

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Speaker 2: it's basically bankrolling things like roads. Ultimately New Zealanders will

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Speaker 2: probably pay more for their roads as a result of that,

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Speaker 2: because the government can actually finance the roads cheaper if

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Speaker 2: it did it through public better than no private investment.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's better than no roads, which you gave

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Speaker 1: us right.

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Speaker 2: Well, though that's not true. Actually we haven't invested in

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Speaker 2: a number of roading projects, fewer roads. I invested in

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Speaker 2: a number of roading projects.

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Speaker 1: Don't come on here and tell me your pro road.

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Speaker 2: I think you've got to have a balanced trainsport portfolio.

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Speaker 2: You need to do both. You need to have roads,

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Speaker 2: you need to have you do need to invest in

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Speaker 2: rail and you do need to invest in public transport.

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Speaker 1: All right, Hey, thank you very much for coming on show. Chris,

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Speaker 1: great to have you on. As always, Chris Hopkins, labor

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Speaker 1: leader on that taxpayer union Caurier poll.

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