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Speaker 2: It'd be welcome after the into and welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: So on the program today for the twentieth of January,

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Speaker 2: Homegrown leaves Wellington. So why and where is it going?

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Speaker 2: That's just two minutes away. We're going to count down

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Speaker 2: to President Trump's second inauguration. We're going to cross to

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Speaker 2: Washington just after five. We've got the new Minister for

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Speaker 2: the South Island, James So, I haven't done this name before,

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Speaker 2: Meaga before. It looks like a mayor to me, doesn't

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Speaker 2: E R. But it's Mega James Meager. James Meager is

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Speaker 2: the new Minister for the South Island and he joins

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Speaker 2: me after five thirty five. And the new Minister for

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Speaker 2: Everything Economic, Nicola willis on the Year of Growth and

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Speaker 2: how are we going to do it? Nikola is here

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Speaker 2: just after six. You can text me ninety two ninety

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Speaker 2: after four, James Meagher. You learn something every day. Welcome

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Speaker 2: to twenty twenty five and welcome to being back at work.

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Speaker 2: So I could start the year getting straight into politics,

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Speaker 2: getting into national politics and national versus labor and the

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Speaker 2: mad escapades of Tapati Marii and act in New Zealand first,

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Speaker 2: and what's going to happen right to know and what's

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Speaker 2: going to happen on White Tongue in day? But honestly,

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Speaker 2: who needs that? We haven't had it for a month

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Speaker 2: and hasn't it been refreshing. There's more than enough time

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Speaker 2: to get into all that stuff, and maybe I'll even

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Speaker 2: to note at this moment is just how vibrant New

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Speaker 2: Zealand was over the weekend. Cold Chisel and Ice House

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Speaker 2: rocked fourteen thousand in the Gibston Valley. Whish I was there.

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Speaker 2: Dunedin had a great crowd for the Super Smash. Ben

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Speaker 2: They had the Black Clash and a full Hagley Oval.

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Speaker 2: Music and food festivals were everywhere. Devenport charming mistle Devenport

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Speaker 2: had eight thousand people whining and dining in the Saturday

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Speaker 2: generally was insane. We had eighty thousand people over two

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Speaker 2: We had fifteen thousand people at Mount Smart for all CONDFC.

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Speaker 2: We had twenty five thousand paying spectators for the Sale GP,

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Speaker 2: with double that in the CBD and on boats and

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Speaker 2: and I. We were all smiling. Now, if this is

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Speaker 2: a country that's lost its mojo, then somebody obviously forgot

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Speaker 2: to tell the people. But on a political note, with that,

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Speaker 2: all these events were made possible by councils in one

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Speaker 2: sale GP to Auckland. And by my reckoning and probably yours,

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Speaker 2: what do you think that was a great investment? One

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Speaker 2: million bucks for a World TV event that looked like

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Speaker 2: it did with that crowd, And now they're negotiating a

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Speaker 2: five year deal. Now, if they can get that for

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Speaker 2: five million, that would be a bargain. I think it'll

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Speaker 2: be more if they have to pay more, well, Banky,

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Speaker 2: Apparently this is the year of growth. If that's so,

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Speaker 2: Now talking of growth. After eighteen years in the capitol,

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Speaker 2: Hello Andrew, Hello Andrew, how are you say? Very good?

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Speaker 2: But it's leaving Wellington. You couldn't find anywhere else heart wreck,

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Speaker 4: We looked everywhere to see if we could accommodate inside Wellington.

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Speaker 2: You've got twenty five thousand punters, how many do you want?

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Speaker 4: It's not so much about the number of people, it's

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Speaker 2: But it's a lovely stage and Seehard is going to

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Speaker 2: be playing this year and that's going to be awesome.

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Speaker 2: But that city to city to see Bridge is a problem,

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Speaker 4: decided that yet, Andrew. We've narrowed down to about three

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Speaker 4: an announcement through Very Good.

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Speaker 2: What are the three or four spots you've considered.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm not going to share that with you. We'd

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Speaker 2: I heard the speculation this morning when people talked about it,

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Speaker 3: And that's that's the joy of it.

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Speaker 4: There will be lots of speculations and stuff, but we

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Speaker 2: First. You know what I thought, when you've.

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Speaker 3: Done that, we'll definitely you know what I.

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Speaker 2: Thought when you chuckled as Dickens. You've nowded.

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Speaker 4: No, no, you haven't quite known it, but but I

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Speaker 2: So thank you. So Auckland is looking probable because of

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Speaker 4: New Zealand music wasn't wasn't strong enough. After eighteen years

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Speaker 4: we've showed that New Zealand music is outstanding.

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Speaker 2: I was. I'm from the radio generation that actually in

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Speaker 4: It's a fantastic sign and for us, we want to

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Speaker 2: It's a great little festival. Andrew, congratulations, well done and

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Speaker 2: thank you for everything. And I'll see at Western Springs

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Speaker 2: bringing back the big day out? Oh yes? Or can

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Speaker 2: we will talk about the sale GP And did you

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Speaker 2: This is News Talks AB. Where's the button? Oh?

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Speaker 5: There it is?

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Speaker 1: Who will take the White House results and analysis of

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Speaker 3: The news talk said be.

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Speaker 2: Deemed from Napier writes on the text ninety two ninety two.

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Speaker 2: Also twenty thousand people at the repco Qmu hot rod

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Speaker 2: of Auckland's Melick Tex says Andrew good editorial. My sixty

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Speaker 2: for forty years, has just spent a month in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: His comments include, obviously many are struggling, but I see

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Speaker 2: is so amazing. Be proud of your cities. It's four

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Speaker 2: nine team Jason Pine. Hello, Andrew, we're a busy man.

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Speaker 2: You're at you're at the sailing and you also called

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Speaker 6: Well, I mean it's good. It's good to get the

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Speaker 6: you know, Aukland over the weekend just felt like it

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Speaker 6: just felt like I had a vibe about it. Absolutely

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Speaker 2: Now, I don't want to be a you know, and

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be negative radio host guy. But

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Speaker 6: if it was longer, they wouldn't have got eight races

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Speaker 6: in which they did four fleet racers Saturday, three fleet

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Speaker 6: money's worth, your bang for your bucket you paid for it.

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Speaker 6: Typically it's three fleet races on the Saturday, two more

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Speaker 6: said hey, we can get some more races in there.

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Speaker 6: I guess what it did was give you less opportunity

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Speaker 2: It'd be I don't know what's happening here. This is

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Speaker 3: Breaking the hard.

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Speaker 1: Less, recapping the day's big news and making tomorrow's headlines.

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Speaker 2: To the program. My name is Andrew Dickens, tick through

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Speaker 2: on ninety to ninety two. Small charge from Thomas and Andrew.

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Speaker 2: Have you seen the video clip of the Village People

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Speaker 2: There's a few people texting me saying, well, he's got

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Speaker 2: Oh Angston Today's Breakfast Show with Ryan Bridge, as reports

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Speaker 2: came in that Champagne is having a bad year. A

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Speaker 2: French champagne shipment's down nine point two percent. Manufacturers blame

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Speaker 1: It's the world wires on news talks, they'd be drive.

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Speaker 2: For the twentieth of January, US President elect Johnald Trump

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Speaker 9: We will make America proud again, we won't make America

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Speaker 3: Thank you very much.

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Speaker 10: The Israelian intelligence officer called us more than once seeing

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Speaker 11: When your daughter Jeanine is released, it's forbidden.

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Speaker 2: And finally, a gold medal from the nineteen nine fourths

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Speaker 1: International correspondence with ends and eye insurance. Peace of mind

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Speaker 2: Happy new Year, Oli Petersen Andrew you too. Can I

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Speaker 13: you and I know, we go through from time to

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Speaker 13: time to the organizations.

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Speaker 2: Wist but can I don't think anybody is completing I

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Speaker 2: think nine and the Aussie openness is in there going.

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Speaker 2: This is excellent publicity and true people are going to

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Speaker 2: be watching to see what Tony says next and what

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Speaker 2: Novak's is next. So it's not bad now serious topic.

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Speaker 2: New South Wales government they're cracking down on anti Semitism.

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Speaker 2: There's anti hate laws, all sorts of stuff.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, they're going to be bringing these new laws next

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Speaker 13: month which will effectively make it illegal for hate speech.

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Speaker 13: It'll make it more difficult of the contentious legislation when

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Speaker 13: the new legislation is brought about next month in the

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Speaker 13: state Parliament of New South Wales.

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Speaker 11: So if somebody's preaching hatred in the community.

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Speaker 13: They say it won't manifest itself two or three months

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Speaker 13: later in a fire bombing, an attack or something worse.

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Speaker 13: But doesn't that just show there's a failure of the

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Speaker 13: current laws, Like you know, put even all of these

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Speaker 13: issues to one side. In terms of people's houses being

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Speaker 13: fire bombed in Sydney or graffiti or with anti anti

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Speaker 13: Semitic messages, we already have the laws in place, like

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Speaker 13: if you're going to be a goose, then you're going

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Speaker 13: to have to be held to account for being a

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Speaker 13: goose regardless of what you do. You can't go around

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Speaker 13: grafeeding a place, you can't go around fire bombing a

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Speaker 13: place for whatever the motivation is. And I don't think

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Speaker 13: this cracks down, Andrew on groups that are trying to

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Speaker 13: gather together for religious purposes to protest for whatever form

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Speaker 13: of issue that they might want to be making a

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Speaker 13: song and dance about. This doesn't change any of that.

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Speaker 13: Just don't be a dhead, basically, Andrew, that's what it's saying.

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Speaker 13: And if you are, then you should be facing the

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Speaker 13: full extent of the law. I don't know why you

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Speaker 13: need to bring a new legislation to stop this. You

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Speaker 13: already have the power there at your disposal. Just make

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Speaker 13: sure they're in enough police on the beat.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm talking about two sensitive I probably should have

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Speaker 2: done this after Novakdjokovic. Really we've got the stories around

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Speaker 2: the wrong way. But we've got this graduate lawyer who's

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Speaker 2: accused as the employer of bullying after they told him

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Speaker 2: to stop showing up late two meetings.

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Speaker 13: How's this a lawyer who's working, by the way, for

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Speaker 13: the government department as well, so he's working for the

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Speaker 13: public sector. He has taken on his employer to the

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Speaker 13: Fair Work Commission because let's say it was a nine

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Speaker 13: o'clock start. He got reprimanded on a few occasions for

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Speaker 13: turning up after nine o'clock at well after nine o'clock

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Speaker 13: as well, it might have been ten or eleven because

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Speaker 13: he had a bit of a sleeping disorder.

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Speaker 11: He really struggled.

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Speaker 13: And he also had an issue with the fact that

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Speaker 13: the meetings were too long Andrews, some of them going

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Speaker 13: for two hours or four hours.

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Speaker 11: He just couldn't cop it.

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Speaker 13: Doesn't this sound like the current generation of university in

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Speaker 13: high school graduates.

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Speaker 11: I might be generalizing here for a moment.

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Speaker 13: Who just don't understand the definition of a little bit

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Speaker 13: of hard work and getting your head. So poor boy,

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Speaker 13: he's obviously trotted off to a new organization and fair

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Speaker 13: work didn't find in favor.

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Speaker 2: The funny thing is that they have no shame. They

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Speaker 2: have no fear either. They just they open up their

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Speaker 2: mouth and they go for it and they stand up

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Speaker 2: for themselves, which is also an admirable quality, even if

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Speaker 2: he's a complete dhead to quick.

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Speaker 13: Well, he's starting off thinking that he should be the

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Speaker 13: manager of the boss beacause why not, like just walk

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Speaker 13: into the top job and not have to do the

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Speaker 13: hard work. So poor fellow, he's got a reality check

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Speaker 13: and maybe he should have decided to go into another

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Speaker 13: profession other than being a lawyer, because good luck getting

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Speaker 13: another gig. How old you OLLI thirty seven points nine?

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Speaker 3: How are you?

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Speaker 11: Andrew?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm sixty one and you are far too young

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Speaker 2: to say. Greg. Problem with the new young generation as

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Speaker 2: that they don't know how to work because you're part

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Speaker 2: of them. Boy, that's true.

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Speaker 13: But I've didn't talk about radio for almost ten years,

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Speaker 13: so you know, maybe I'm an old and cynical already,

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Speaker 13: Andrew prematurely aging.

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Speaker 2: I love your work and thank you very much. Olie

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Speaker 2: Peterson from six pr it is fifteen to five who

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Speaker 2: wouldn't want the job as Minister for the South Island.

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Speaker 2: If I got that job, I will be off immediately

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Speaker 2: on a year long fact finding road trip. Not only

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Speaker 2: that James Miya is also now sorry Meager really, not

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Speaker 2: only that James Meager spelt Mega mea but anyway, not

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Speaker 2: only that James Meaga is also now the Hunting and

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Speaker 2: Fishing Minister. So in a second year after doing the

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Speaker 2: fact finding of the South Island, he would go on

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Speaker 2: a hunting and fishing trip, would he not? But despite that,

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Speaker 2: I think the South Island really does deserve a voice

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Speaker 2: because it doesn't have much say. And I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: more about that a bit later on. But we're looking

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Speaker 2: at politics with Thomas Coughlin in just a few moments time.

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Speaker 2: It is now fifteen minutes to five.

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Speaker 1: Politics with Centrics Credit, check your customers and get payments.

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Speaker 2: Certainty, Thomas Coglan from the here, welcome back to work, mister.

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Speaker 15: Yes, yes, someone's told you this is my first day back.

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Speaker 2: Well the same with you really, So here we go

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Speaker 2: and look, you're wanted a nice quiet start to the year.

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Speaker 2: And what does Christopher Laxon do. It goes demotes the

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Speaker 2: person who in the weekend was saying, this is no

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Speaker 2: way I'm going to be demoted the next thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: Oh Shane, You're gone.

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Speaker 15: Yes, yes, exactly, that Shane Ritty. It appears he was

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Speaker 15: one of the last people to be told about his

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Speaker 15: own demotion, which which obviously can't be can't be very nice.

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Speaker 15: It was speculated about very heavily at the end of

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Speaker 15: last year, and it does appear that Christopher Luxon had

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Speaker 15: sort of sounded out some allies over the over the

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Speaker 15: sun and Break as to whether that was a good

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Speaker 15: idea to demote him and uh and and and those

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Speaker 15: alas seemed to have come back and said it was

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Speaker 15: so so yes, Shane Ritty has sone has said a

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Speaker 15: rather a rather unhappy and and and unkind starts the

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Speaker 15: new year being demo from their health portfolio.

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Speaker 2: You're paid to watch these animals prow around in their cage.

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Speaker 2: And so I asked you, are you surprised by the timing?

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Speaker 2: Did it make sense? And is it the right thing

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Speaker 2: for Christopher Lection as leader of the National Party to

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Speaker 2: be doing it this moment, at this time when we're

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Speaker 2: all in holiday mode and just still chill down.

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Speaker 15: I'm not surprised that by the timing, and I think

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Speaker 15: it does actually make sense. We're still two years out

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Speaker 15: from an election, so there is time to reset the

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Speaker 15: story on health. I think if you were if you

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Speaker 15: were to ask New Zealanders and exactly the pulses have

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Speaker 15: asked New Zealanders how they feel about the health system.

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Speaker 15: Health seems to be rating pretty highly in most polls.

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Speaker 15: Is an issue voters care about, and that they care

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Speaker 15: about it because the health system is clearly in a

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Speaker 15: bit of dire straight at the moment, so bringing in

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Speaker 15: someone new to fix that is probably a good idea,

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Speaker 15: and it's a good idea to do it sooner other

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Speaker 15: than later. It's a good way to begin the new year.

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Speaker 15: Like New Zealanders tend to tune out of politics over

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Speaker 15: the summer and don't really care about politics over summer,

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Speaker 15: Wellington Anniversary weekends tends to be the period where I

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Speaker 15: am not the rest of the country here is about

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Speaker 15: one in the versial weekend, but this weekend tends to

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Speaker 15: be the weekend where people start to sort of tune

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Speaker 15: in the game. So I think it's a good it's

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Speaker 15: a good a good time for the Prime Minister to

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Speaker 15: just put the research to hit the reset button. But

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Speaker 15: whether or not you know things can actually change in health,

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Speaker 15: that is probably a bigger question and one that will be,

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Speaker 15: you know, pretty hard to answer.

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Speaker 2: I ask you, have you ever seen a health system

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Speaker 2: that's not in dire straits in New Zealand? And I

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Speaker 2: also ask you, have you ever seen anyone appointed to

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Speaker 2: be health minister who finished in the job with a

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Speaker 2: better reputation than when they started.

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Speaker 15: That is a very good question.

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Speaker 2: It's the answer is no, yes, it probably is no.

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Speaker 15: I'm I mean and it can seem to do I

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Speaker 15: mean health as a health as a portfolio where you

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Speaker 15: where you survive. You know, survival is you don't necessarily

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Speaker 15: win winning as survival. And the ones the ones who

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Speaker 15: tend to get out okay, seem to be the ones

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Speaker 15: who who aren't in there for very long. So Andrew Little, actually,

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Speaker 15: I think it seemed to you know, get he wasn't

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Speaker 15: in there for a very long time.

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Speaker 2: As Ryan Bridge pointed out this morning, the health job

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Speaker 2: is the biggest and worst job in New Zealand. Eighty

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Speaker 2: thousand employees under the health department. I mean that dwarfs

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Speaker 2: in New Zealand, Fonterra, Fisher and pikele fletches. Every eighty

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Speaker 2: thousand people know it, all health professionals, smart and all unionized.

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Speaker 15: Good luck, it's about I actually did those numbers a

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Speaker 15: little while ago. I think one point seven percent of

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Speaker 15: New Zealanders, including infants and retirees, so all of one

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Speaker 15: point seven percent of us work for the health system.

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Speaker 15: It's a huge Well yeah, it's a losing job. It's

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Speaker 15: very hard to do properly. So so yes, I think

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Speaker 15: I think Simmy and Brown has been handed the most

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Speaker 15: difficult job of his career.

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Speaker 2: But he's an ambitious man and he's keen in his confidence.

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Speaker 2: And there we go. And would you just final question,

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Speaker 2: do you did this have anything to do with the

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Speaker 2: fact with the Courier Taxpayers Union poll, you know, which

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Speaker 2: showed that National had slip below thirty and they've been

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Speaker 2: overtaken by a stagnant labor did that far On? Have

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Speaker 2: you some changes We've got to look better?

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Speaker 15: That's a good question too. I actually think that the

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Speaker 15: Courier poll, it's unfortunate for Christopher Laxon because he's quite

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Speaker 15: a deliberative guy. And I think you will have been

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Speaker 15: thinking about this over summer, thinking about it very deeply

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Speaker 15: and really questioning himself over summer about it. And I've

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Speaker 15: heard that. I think it looks like it looks like

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Speaker 15: it was reactive, but I don't think it was very good.

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Speaker 2: Got to go, and I thank you for your time.

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Speaker 2: It is now seven to five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newsmakers the mic asking

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Speaker 1: breakfast saman Brown, the new health ministers with me Levy,

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Speaker 1: are you going to keep him on?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Look, I'm meeting with Wellington.

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Speaker 16: I'm meeting down there now keeping brought in to do

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Speaker 16: a job, which is to make sure that we get

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Speaker 16: the health system delivering. That's my focus as minister, making

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Speaker 16: sure it's delivering quality and timely access to health.

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Speaker 1: If News Islanders, it's not making the progress you need

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Speaker 1: right now, does that mean that he's gone to look.

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Speaker 16: Well, I think what we've seen from the health targets,

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Speaker 16: we are starting.

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Speaker 17: To see some of those tadlines, but there is so

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Speaker 17: much more work to do.

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Speaker 12: We would need to see New Zealanders getting through Ed's

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Speaker 12: after excess to the GPS sooner to.

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Speaker 2: Have confidence in them to do that.

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Speaker 15: Look, you've been given a job, is in that job

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Speaker 15: to them a lot this year, but I need the

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Speaker 15: whole system to be focused on delivery.

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Speaker 1: Ryan Bridge on the My Casting Breakfast It's back tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at six am with the Range.

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Speaker 3: Rover Villain on News Talks deadb.

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Speaker 2: Good Health Ministers, Bernie reckons Tony Ryle as in other

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Speaker 2: people say Tony Ryle. Helen Clark says someone was an

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Speaker 2: outstanding minister of health. Anyway, we have a new Minister

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Speaker 2: of Health, sime and Brown, and we will talk about

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Speaker 2: him next hour. We're going to talk to James Meager.

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Speaker 2: Got the name, took me an hour. The Hunting and

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Speaker 2: Fishing minister, the South Island minister. I like this idea

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Speaker 2: extually because the South Island does not have a lot

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Speaker 2: of people, so it doesn't have a lot of elector

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Speaker 2: so it's always been underrepresented. But what it does have

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Speaker 2: is loads of minerals, it has loads of electricity, it

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Speaker 2: has loads of tourism holdings. So having a voice is fine.

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Speaker 2: But I thought it was a bit ironic that Doucy

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Speaker 2: got demoted and then they brought it he was South

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Speaker 2: Island's guy in cabinet and they had they had James

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Speaker 2: Meager right there, made him a South Island minister, but

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Speaker 2: didn't put him in cabinet. You need to be at

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Speaker 2: the big table to have your voice for it. But anyway,

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Speaker 2: we'll talk to James Meager next hour. But next we're

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Speaker 2: off to Washington. How cold is it and what will

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Speaker 2: happen with Donald Trump's inauguration? And how powerful is the dot?

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Speaker 5: I'm Andrew Dickinson.

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Speaker 3: No, not to celebrate, just a.

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Speaker 1: Questions, answers, facts analysis, the drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture.

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Speaker 3: Andrew Dickens on Hither Duplessy.

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Speaker 1: Alan Drive with One New Zealand, Let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 7: They'd be.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is taking red the keys to the White

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Speaker 2: House tomorrow, so his inauguration kicks off at six o'clock

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Speaker 2: tomorrow morning, New Zealand Time, six a m. Breakfast entertainment,

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Speaker 2: breakfast entertainment instead of an outdoor event, though the ceremony

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Speaker 2: will be held indoors at the Capitol with all living

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Speaker 2: former presidents and numerous world leaders in attendance. And also

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Speaker 2: watching on will be our US correspondent, son of Matts,

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Speaker 2: who's back with me now. Good evening, Simon.

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Speaker 17: Good evening to you, Andrew.

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Speaker 2: So it's pretty cold. It's the first time indoors since

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Speaker 2: eighty five.

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Speaker 17: Yes, absolutely, And it's been a mad scramble here in Washington,

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Speaker 17: DC over the weekend to change all the arrangements because

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Speaker 17: of course everything's ready for the president elect, President Donald Trump,

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Speaker 17: as he will be on the stroke of midday here

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Speaker 17: on Monday to take the oath of office up on

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Speaker 17: Capitol Hill in the outdoors in time. On a tradition,

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Speaker 17: we are not going to break minus five degrees celsius

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Speaker 17: on Monday here in Washington, d C. They made the

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Speaker 17: decision on Friday to move everything indoors, so there are

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Speaker 17: now two central locations the Rotunda of Congress inside the

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Speaker 17: Congressional Building where Donald Trump will take the oath of office.

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Speaker 17: That is the same rotunda that his own supporters ransacked

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Speaker 17: back on January sixth of twenty twenty one. And then

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Speaker 17: the second location is the Arena, the Capital One Arena

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Speaker 17: in the Chinatown district of Washington, d C. Where Donald

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Speaker 17: Trump actually a dressed a pre inauguration rally on Sunday evening.

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Speaker 17: Instead of a capacity of two hundred thousand people able

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Speaker 17: to watch everything from the National Mall, it's going to

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Speaker 17: be taking place inside the Rotunda on Capitol Hill, which

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Speaker 17: can accommodate about a thousand people, and then at the

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Speaker 17: Capital One Arena, which has a seating capacity of twenty thousands.

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Speaker 2: Michelle Obama is not attending despite the fact her husband

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Speaker 2: is as a former president. Is that spite or was

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Speaker 2: she just busy?

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Speaker 17: I think it might be a bit of both. You'll

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Speaker 17: remember that Michelle Obama also did not attend Jimmy Carter's

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Speaker 17: funeral a few days ago. With regard to both appointments,

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Speaker 17: she says that she's got scheduling difficulties. She's in Hawaii,

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Speaker 17: and frankly, who wouldn't want to be in Hawaii given

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Speaker 17: the state of the weather here in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 17: But I think it's not so much the climactic conditions

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Speaker 17: that have kept her away from both of those events,

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Speaker 17: but the inevitay ability of her having to rub shoulders

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Speaker 17: with the Trumps at them.

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Speaker 2: So what about Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg? Will they

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Speaker 2: be there?

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Speaker 17: Yes, they absolutely will be there, and in fact, they

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Speaker 17: are already adhering themselves to the President Elect's side. Elon

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Speaker 17: Musk was called upon by Donald Trump to speak briefly

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Speaker 17: at the pre inauguration rally that was held on Sunday

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Speaker 17: evening here, and he insisted head of that as the

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Speaker 17: head of this new Department of Government Efficiency, which is

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Speaker 17: not really a government department, it doesn't exist as a ministry,

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Speaker 17: but he said that he was absolutely determined to go

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Speaker 17: about his task of eliminating federal government waste wherever he

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Speaker 17: can find it. Mark Zuckerberg has already arrived in town.

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Speaker 17: He's been attending a variety of inaugural events over the weekend.

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Speaker 17: Jeff Bezos is also coming here, of course, the Amazon founder.

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Speaker 17: And you know, I think Donald Trump is really resplendent

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Speaker 17: in the fact the three of them, who had all

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Speaker 17: in varying degrees, expressed hostility to Donald Trump in the past,

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Speaker 17: have like so many other people since November and the

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Speaker 17: election win, bent to the knee to Donald Trump, pledged

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Speaker 17: fealty to him. And that's one of the reasons why

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Speaker 17: Donald Trump has returned to Washington, d C. With First

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Speaker 17: Lady Milania Trump absolutely thinking that they are in the

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Speaker 17: catbird seat, I mean will when he's sworn in, he

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Speaker 17: will immediately become the most powerful president this country has

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Speaker 17: ever had, not simply because he controls the White House,

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Speaker 17: Republicans control the House of Representatives and the Senate, and

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Speaker 17: of course Republican nominated Supreme Court justices are in a

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Speaker 17: six to three majority at the Court, but also because

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Speaker 17: of that immunity decision by the Supreme Court which says

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Speaker 17: that no fitting or former president can be prosecuted for

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Speaker 17: any actions that they take in line with their official duties.

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Speaker 17: It gives him sweeping amounts of power. And he made

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Speaker 17: it absolutely clear in that inauguration Eve rally that he

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Speaker 17: is going to deliver to his supporters the central plinths

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Speaker 17: of policy that he promised he was going to deliver

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Speaker 17: during the election. Campaign.

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Speaker 2: So I'm REMARX, thank you. There's a fascinating inside. Of course,

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Speaker 2: as I say, the inauguration is at six a m.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow morning, and yes, corporate America has flocked to Donald Trump.

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Speaker 2: They understand his influence, They understand his power holding all

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Speaker 2: the houses at this moment. Elon Musk of course understands.

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Speaker 2: And he also holds the budget to all the trips

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Speaker 2: to Mars and all the rockets you could ever hope for.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, who was an active opponent for a while,

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Speaker 2: canceled that supporting Washington Post editorial for that other woman.

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Speaker 2: What was that? O? Kamala Kamala Harris? He did that

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Speaker 2: as well. But he can see the money in Trump,

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Speaker 2: which is probably why he offered forty million dollars for

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Speaker 2: Amazon TV to make a documentary about Millennia and Trump.

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Speaker 2: Do you pay forty million dollars for a documentary about

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Speaker 2: Millennia Trump unless you were trying to buy a favor.

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Speaker 2: So Donald's got them in the palm of his hands.

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Speaker 2: What will happen next? Fascinating stuff. We'll keep you in

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Speaker 2: touch with that. Meanwhile, Donald Trump also claims that he

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Speaker 2: saved TikTok TikTok is on again, off again at the

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Speaker 2: moment the American Congress wanted to get rid of it

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Speaker 2: because it's been mining data of US citizens for a while.

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Speaker 2: There it was off, then it came back on again.

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Speaker 2: In just a moment's time, we'll talk to a New

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Speaker 2: Zealand TikToker and you will not believe just how many

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Speaker 2: followers she has and does that equate to money? We'll

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Speaker 2: find out next here on newstalks, there be new stalks.

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Speaker 2: Ab So, a Gloria Vale leader made a public apology

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Speaker 2: yesterday for the historic abuse that happened at Gloria Vale.

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Speaker 2: Overseeing Shepherd Howard Temple acknowledged that abuse happened in Gloria

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Speaker 2: Vale between nineteen fifty and nineteen ninety nine. Why did

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Speaker 2: this happen?

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Speaker 18: Well?

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Speaker 2: The Royal Commission of Inquiry into Historic Abusing's Care asked

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Speaker 2: Gloria Vale to apologize to its members back in July.

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Speaker 2: Here we are in January. They finally got round to it.

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Speaker 2: John Reddy was expelled from Gloria Vale in twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: and John joins me. Now, Hello, John, Hello Andrew, is

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Speaker 2: this apology since here?

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Speaker 16: I don't believe so it's pretty clear that it's not

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Speaker 16: particularly like the time stamp nineteen fifty to nineteen ninety

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Speaker 16: nine leaves out the majority of the abuse from two

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Speaker 16: thousand to the present day twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, exactly how well were you there after nineteen

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Speaker 2: ninety nine?

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Speaker 16: Yes, I was twenty one in nineteen ninety nine, and

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Speaker 16: I left on the twenty fourth of December two thy

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Speaker 16: and seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, eighteen years and you're saying there was abuse there?

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Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, So why was there a timestamp? Do

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Speaker 2: you know?

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Speaker 16: I don't know. I was pondering that last night when

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Speaker 16: I read the apology, which made me relatively livid, to

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Speaker 16: be fair, just their complete lack of understanding of the

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Speaker 16: sort of carnage that they've had in people's lives and

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Speaker 16: left behind them under their leadership and mentorship. And that's

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Speaker 16: putting it nicely, because it's actually under their control, like

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Speaker 16: their complete control has been.

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Speaker 2: He also says the glory of ole. This is how

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Speaker 2: Temple now says. Gloria Vale provides abuse awareness, prevention training

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Speaker 2: and a set of a page on its website to

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Speaker 2: report abuse. Has it and is that enough?

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Speaker 16: I just think it's completely empty words. They don't believe

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Speaker 16: or understand the type of abuse that they've done and

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Speaker 16: the effect that they've had on people's lives, and they

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Speaker 16: just sort of I mean they've been forced to make

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Speaker 16: an apology. I mean that kind of tells you everything

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Speaker 16: you need to know about the apology tourn A.

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Speaker 2: You're good now?

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Speaker 3: Ye am?

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Speaker 16: I good?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 16: How do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, after your experience and what you've been through,

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Speaker 2: you know obviously has an impact. And you're out and

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Speaker 2: you were expelled and now you've got a new life.

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Speaker 2: Are you good?

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Speaker 16: Well, I'm much better, that's for real. But there is

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Speaker 16: a lot of there's a lot to work through, and

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Speaker 16: it's very difficult to come out of an organization that

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Speaker 16: you were born into and then at forty years old

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Speaker 16: to go you know, there's some with this, and then

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Speaker 16: to come out and then start a process because I

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Speaker 16: got involved in a call case for one of my

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Speaker 16: family members immediately to try and get some a justice

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Speaker 16: for her, and it all started from that date, like

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Speaker 16: seven years ago, that's when this all started happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, may you know that we alwish you all the

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Speaker 2: very best of luck as a head forward, and thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for your bravery and talking to us

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Speaker 2: today as John Ready former Gloria vale Man five twenty

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Speaker 2: All right, TikTok users in the USA had a bit

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Speaker 2: of a rollercoaster ride this morning. The app started functioning,

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Speaker 2: I stopped functioning. At first there was a pop up

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Speaker 2: message that said this is because of the impending band

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Speaker 2: by the US government, who's very worried about mining of

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Speaker 2: data by China, and then about twelve hours later it

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Speaker 2: was back. In Coming President Donald Trump says, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to arrange for TikTok's parent company, byte Dance, to become

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Speaker 2: part of American owned. It's all good, We've sorted it,

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Speaker 2: says Donald. Mental health advocate Jazz Thornton is on the

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Speaker 2: TikTok and joins me, Now, hell a, Jazz, Hey, how

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Speaker 2: many followers you got? Uh?

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Speaker 19: On one account? I got two point three or two

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Speaker 19: point four million, I think, and then another account with

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Speaker 19: another million on it.

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Speaker 2: Does it blow your mind?

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Speaker 18: Yeah?

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Speaker 19: Sometimes?

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Speaker 2: Can you make money from that two point four million

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Speaker 2: people who like to look at what you say on TikTok?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

872
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 19: Yeah, you definitely can, but not compared to what the

873
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 19: Americans can make. They're actually getting paid for the purviews

874
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Speaker 19: on the New Zealanders don't get that.

875
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Speaker 2: Why don't we get that because.

876
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Speaker 19: We're not in the creator fund, which is ridiculous, but

877
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 19: it's Yeah, it's America, and I think Canada are that inert,

878
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 19: but not US.

879
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Speaker 2: So if TikTok stops, do you lose lots of money?

880
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 19: I don't personally, but I think a lot of creators do.

881
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 19: I mean, it'll definitely affect our engagement and our ability

882
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 19: to be able to do like ad campaigns and stuff

883
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 19: like that. But yeah, it's not compared to what America

884
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 19: is going to be hit worth.

885
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,439
Speaker 2: Should the West be worried about China owning TikTok and

886
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 2: mining for our data like exactly how we like to

887
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: stroke our dogs.

888
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 19: No, not at all. I think if the US were

889
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 19: genuinely concerned about data security, they would have banned things

890
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 19: like timu. This is entirely a money control thing. A

891
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 19: whole lot of the Senates that voted yes on the

892
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,760
Speaker 19: bill have stocks and Meta and Meta was losing billions

893
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 19: of dollars because all eyes were on TikTok. So they're

894
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 19: trying to make it out to be this whole thing

895
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 19: about with security, but it's not. If it's about that,

896
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 19: then they would have banned so many other things first,

897
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Speaker 19: so I don't think we have to worry about that.

898
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Speaker 2: And of course, because there's so much money involved, as

899
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 2: soon as you say TikTok stopped, another one will pop up.

900
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: It's like whack a mole. Have you ever heard about

901
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 2: Red Note?

902
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 15: Oh?

903
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 19: Yes, I downloaded Red Note as soon as all this

904
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 19: started happening.

905
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 2: Is it any good?

906
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 9: Oh?

907
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 2: Not really.

908
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 19: I mean a lot of it's in Chinese, but to

909
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 19: be honest, it was pretty much just a lot of

910
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 19: people trying to go against the US government and Meta

911
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 19: because they knew that this band was coming from that,

912
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 19: so they were like, screw you, We'll get our data

913
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Speaker 19: directly to the Chinese, which I thought was quite funny.

914
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Speaker 19: So I joined on that as well.

915
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 2: So you're putting your stuff on YouTube shorts, now I understand.

916
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 19: Yes, yeah, I think it's for security, but also, you know,

917
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Speaker 19: to be able to continue to reach the people that

918
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 19: we do. There's so much uncertainty with all kind of

919
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 19: social media that you can't put everything in one basket.

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Speaker 2: So has the don saved TikTok? Do you think it's

921
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 2: gone or is it going to stay.

922
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Speaker 19: He was the one that initiated the band in twenty twenty.

923
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 19: He was the person that put this thing into play.

924
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 19: So it's I think it's going to stay, but I

925
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 19: think they, probably, to be honest, have already sold it.

926
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Speaker 19: I think this whole thing has been a ployee. So yeah,

927
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Speaker 19: I think it's not going anywhere, but it won't be

928
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Speaker 19: the same as.

929
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Speaker 2: What it was. Jazz what's your handle?

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Speaker 19: Jazz Thornton, underscore.

931
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Speaker 2: Jazz Thornton, the whole thing underscored.

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Speaker 19: No, just Jazz Thornton and then a underscore.

933
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 2: A little because is there another Jazz Thornton?

934
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Speaker 19: I know, but I have another account called not jas Thornton,

935
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Speaker 19: which is my silly one that blew up in America.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so you need the underscore Okay, yeah, apparently

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Speaker 2: it's all good on Twitter x whatever that's called. On

938
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Speaker 2: Andrew Dickens two and I'm not out there we go.

939
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Speaker 2: I haven't found the Andrew Dickens one yet, and I

940
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Speaker 2: want to talk to that man. I thank you for

941
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Speaker 2: your time today, Jazz no worries, thank.

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Speaker 1: You informed insight into today's issues. It's Andrew Dickens on

943
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Speaker 1: Hither Duplicy Alan Drive with one New Zealand.

944
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Speaker 3: Let's get connected news talks they'd be.

945
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Speaker 2: Here's five twenty six mm. So one year ago we

946
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 2: had a new government and Christopher Luxon and his team

947
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 2: of MPs and support partners took control of the treasury

948
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Speaker 2: benches and Christopher did a speech, you may remember it.

949
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,720
Speaker 2: In that speech he said he would deliver the deliverables,

950
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Speaker 2: a term that was praised by some but also ridiculed

951
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: by others because you know, well, that's pretty obvious. It's

952
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 2: very simple, deliver the deliverables. If your job is delivery,

953
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 2: then it's plain you have to deliver those deliverables. And

954
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: that's what he promised to do. You'd be called a

955
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 2: genius if you delivered what was thought to be undeliverable.

956
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 2: But you're supposed to deliver the deliverable. That is politics

957
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: for you. Catchy slogans that fit the mood and are

958
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: easily understood. Examples calling inflation a cost of living crisis

959
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,840
Speaker 2: made it more, you know, saying we need Toyota Corollas

960
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 2: on cookstraight, not Ferrari's. That's politics in Christopher Luxon's cabinet.

961
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Speaker 2: The man who learned that lesson the least was Shane Retty.

962
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 2: His problem was he's a doctor. His problem was knowing

963
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: the difficulties too well. His problem was recognizing the grays

964
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 2: and all the issues. His problem was trying to sell

965
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 2: those grays. His problem was dumping on his mates. The

966
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 2: man who learned from his boss the best was Simeon Brown,

967
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: the man who made all the roading issues all about

968
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 2: potholes after one of the wettest years ever. The man

969
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 2: who criticized blanket speed limits and then imposed the blanket

970
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,359
Speaker 2: speed limit, but he knew exactly how to do a

971
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: great quote. I listened to all of Sybyans interviews today,

972
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: and the thing that stood out to me was that, well,

973
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,799
Speaker 2: how little was said and the number of words he

974
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: said the word delivery, delivery, delivery, delivery. When asked about

975
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 2: a specific he would just say, I'm going to concentrate

976
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 2: on the delivery. When he wasn't saying delivery, he was

977
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Speaker 2: saying timely in quality delivery of health care. None of

978
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,399
Speaker 2: it answered the question, but it doesn't matter. It sounded good.

979
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Speaker 2: That's why the Prime Minister hired him. When I came

980
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 2: in and people said he wouldn't confirm Lester Levy, I

981
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 2: said he wouldn't deny less to Levy either. He's not

982
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 2: here to say a thing. He's just here to say

983
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: I'm going to deliver. So obviously Simeon needs to get

984
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: his feet under the desk, and when he does, he

985
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: will not take any prisoners. Because once Simeon sets his

986
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: mind to a course, it will stay set. And that

987
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 2: is a strength, just as long as it's the right course.

988
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 2: And then it's not. We'll talk with the huddle about

989
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: this later.

990
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Speaker 1: Man on the iHeart app and in your car on

991
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: your drive home, it's Andrew Dickens on the duplicy album

992
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,240
Speaker 1: Drive with One New Zealand, let's get connected.

993
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 3: News talks, they'd.

994
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 20: Be stuff work against. Is your truck breaks? Did you

995
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 20: first through money died? It's fun, there's a way. I'm

996
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 20: sure you're last.

997
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: Thank you for choosing us. Also to the program, my

998
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 2: Mandrel Dickens here for the week. Latest update on inflation

999
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 2: for the December quarter is out on Wednesday. Yeah, we're

1000
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 2: right back, aren't we. Summer holidays over there are predictions

1001
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 2: of two point one percent Now over summer, I heard

1002
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 2: a lot of people saying that inflation's on the fall,

1003
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: and just as many people saying that inflation has been conquered.

1004
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: Even the government was saying that we've we've got to

1005
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,879
Speaker 2: handle on this, this inflation thing. But just a word

1006
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 2: of warning on all of that. Inflation is certainly slowed,

1007
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: prices are still going up. The rate of two point

1008
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 2: two percent which we have at the moment rates well internationally.

1009
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,400
Speaker 2: But remember that figure is an average of two measures,

1010
00:50:57,640 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: is tradable and non tradable inflation. So trade inflation has

1011
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,680
Speaker 2: settled down, but tradable inflation will get hit by the

1012
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: fall the New Zealand dollar and rising all prices. That's

1013
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 2: not good news. Non tradable still sits at over five percent.

1014
00:51:13,520 --> 00:51:18,879
Speaker 2: Five percent, so non tradable is set in New Zealand.

1015
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 2: Non tradable is things like electricity and bank fees and

1016
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 2: insurance premiums, are rent and rates and user charges. So

1017
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 2: I want to ask you to ask yourself, are those

1018
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 2: prices calming down? Do you really feel the inflation tiger

1019
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: is in a cage? And when you add to that

1020
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 2: all the currency and energy issues that are affecting all

1021
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: those overseas factors, which is in tradable inflation, are you

1022
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: confident we're in a good space and we'll see a

1023
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: good number on Wednesday and a number that only gets better.

1024
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 2: Yes or no, think about it. You can text week

1025
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: ninety two ninety two and I remind you that Nicola

1026
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,600
Speaker 2: willis the woman who has to manage our economy in

1027
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: the face of all of this. Is our very special

1028
00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 2: guest just after.

1029
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 3: Six to Coundrew Dickens.

1030
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:04,760
Speaker 2: So one of the big winners in Chris Lackson's cabinet

1031
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,600
Speaker 2: reshuffle as a man you might not have heard of.

1032
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 2: His name is James Meagher. He's the first term MP

1033
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: for Rangitata. He's been given three portfolios. He becomes Minister

1034
00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: for Hunting and Fishing, Minister for Youth and a newly

1035
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 2: created Minister for the South Island and James mega joins him. Now,

1036
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 2: congratulations James.

1037
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 12: Andrews from a sunny South Island. Great work here.

1038
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 2: When did you get the call up?

1039
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,280
Speaker 12: I was sitting at the Black Clash game at Heckley

1040
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 12: Oval on Sunday night. It was a couple of balls

1041
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 12: into the first innings and I got a call from

1042
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,120
Speaker 12: the PM and I thought, all shivers, I might be

1043
00:52:39,160 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 12: in trouble here and took the call founder a quiet

1044
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 12: corner and he gave me the good news.

1045
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was.

1046
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,280
Speaker 12: It was late afternoon, early evening on Saturday.

1047
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 2: What did he say?

1048
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 12: He was very polite, he said, what am I up to?

1049
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 12: I said him at the cricket He told me about

1050
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 12: the fact that his grandfather was a groundsman there, and

1051
00:52:57,520 --> 00:52:59,399
Speaker 12: then he launched into it. He said, hey, look, I've

1052
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 12: got some good news. I'd be really keen for you

1053
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 12: to join our team as Minister for the South Island,

1054
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 12: Minister for Youth Minnesota Hunting and Fishing, and Associate Transport.

1055
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 12: And I kind of stopped and took a second to

1056
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 12: download what he'd asked me to do, and then are

1057
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 12: we chatted about the priorities, and then he said, all right,

1058
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 12: have a good evening. I've got to go make some other.

1059
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: Course, probably dismister RITTI, I'm afraid, but yeah, okay, well,

1060
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 2: well how amazing is that? And I hope he also

1061
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: told you to remember to catch a ball with one

1062
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:28,720
Speaker 2: hand if you want to make some money or actually

1063
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 2: get some koc at that game, because that was a

1064
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 2: good thing. Now, I presume the very first thing you're

1065
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: going to do is a very leisurely road trip all

1066
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,320
Speaker 2: around the South Island with a bit of hunting and fishing,

1067
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 2: so you can appraise the issues.

1068
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 12: Well, if you've ever traveled around the South to take

1069
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 12: a leisurely road trip around the whole island is going

1070
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 12: to take a couple of months if you did it NonStop,

1071
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 12: So no, you're right. The first thing to do is

1072
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 12: to figure out exactly where I need to get to,

1073
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 12: and for me, that's as far south as I can go,

1074
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 12: right up to the far North. And what I want

1075
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 12: to do is I want to talk to South Island

1076
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 12: is about what their priority is for making sure that

1077
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 12: our island can grow and the South Island can contribute

1078
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 12: to Nichola Willis's economic growth plan, and so that's a

1079
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:11,319
Speaker 12: big part of what the PEM wants me to do.

1080
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 12: Help us focus on what can we do to promote

1081
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 12: growth in the South Island, and then what can I

1082
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 12: do to make sure that I maintain a good, strong

1083
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 12: voice for mainlanders up in Wellington.

1084
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,360
Speaker 2: Are you amazed that there's never been a minister for

1085
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: the South Island before?

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Speaker 12: It surprised me and I didn't want to say that

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Speaker 12: publicly because I wasn't actually quite sure, but a few

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00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 12: people have told me that and I'm obviously excited and

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Speaker 12: it's a new portfolio, and given that there hasn't been

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Speaker 12: one before, it's a little bit of a blank canvas

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Speaker 12: that the PEM is going to give me a good

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Speaker 12: steer on what his priorities are and what he needs

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Speaker 12: me to deliver. But the great thing is is that

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Speaker 12: Mainlanders and look, actually everyone's got an interest in making

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Speaker 12: sure the South Island is successful. So I'm keen to

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Speaker 12: hear from people about what their priorities are to me,

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Speaker 12: what they'd like to see me to deliver, and how

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Speaker 12: I can work for them.

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Speaker 2: I actually said earlier this afternoon is that your island

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Speaker 2: is full of minerals and agriculture and electricity and tourism,

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Speaker 2: but unfortunately not full of people, so you don't get

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Speaker 2: represented in Parliament much.

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Speaker 12: No, And like if people look at the electric max

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Speaker 12: we've got sixteen electrics in the south Land and then

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Speaker 12: I don't want to pressure my mass here, but you've

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Speaker 12: got what sixty odd well, yes, fifty five sixty odd

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Speaker 12: up in Northoland. So we don't want this to turn

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Speaker 12: into a bit of a numbers game. We want to

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Speaker 12: make sure that the south Land has good representation both

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Speaker 12: in our caucus and in our government, and we do.

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Speaker 12: But The point is that if we really want to

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Speaker 12: grow the economy, the South ISLD is going to be

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Speaker 12: a big part of that. And you mentioned it. Tourism, agriculture, minerals, exploration,

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00:55:43,920 --> 00:55:45,959
Speaker 12: small business. They are all key things to the South.

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Speaker 2: Hand can album very good. You've already got a job though.

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Speaker 2: You're tairing the Justice Select Committee and for your crimes,

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00:55:50,640 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: you're dealing with the Treaty Principal's bills. So you've read

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Speaker 2: all three hundred thousand. I presume most of them, say

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00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 2: like the styled, I.

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Speaker 12: Will openly admit I have not read all three hundred thousand.

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Speaker 12: I can't even get close to reading them. I think

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00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 12: someone did the mass and decided that you need to

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Speaker 12: outlive Moses in order.

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Speaker 2: To be able to read them all.

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Speaker 12: We don't have a breakdown of what the submissions look

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Speaker 12: like at the moment. We're starting to decide on who

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00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,800
Speaker 12: our first submitters are, and we'll make some public information

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Speaker 12: about numbers and about content and that and of course,

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Speaker 12: but from what I understand the campaigns that I've seen running,

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Speaker 12: there will be a lot of repetitive stuff. There will

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00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 12: be a lot of single line submissions, but there will

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Speaker 12: be a lot of people who puts a lot of

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Speaker 12: time and effort into these submissions too. So I just

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Speaker 12: want to sure the listeners that they are all read

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Speaker 12: by humans.

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Speaker 2: Of course, because many of them will have exactly the

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00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: same wordings. And I'm talking about both sides here. I'm

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Speaker 2: not talking one more time that'll be exactly the same.

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Speaker 2: They're just the photocopy has been running hot. Oral submissions

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Speaker 2: follow in the next few weeks. I reckon that's going

1141
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 2: to be tense.

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Speaker 12: Look, it depends on how to tone sit in that

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00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,640
Speaker 12: first week. So we've made a very deliberate choice it

1144
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Speaker 12: and when we start hearings on the tweeters in the

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00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 12: first week, we're wanting to invite sumers who have something

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00:57:01,160 --> 00:57:03,160
Speaker 12: substantive to say, who will do it in a way

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00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 12: which is respectful of the process and hopefully set the

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Speaker 12: tone for the remainder of the hearings. And Look, it's

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Speaker 12: up to individuals and organizations as for how they decide

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00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,720
Speaker 12: to submit, and we can put value in waiting on

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Speaker 12: how that decided to present their submission, but we expect

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Speaker 12: people to engage in the process in a respectful way.

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00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 12: People have got strong views, that's fine. They can let

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00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 12: those views be heard. But they've got to do it

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00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 12: in a way which is respectful to the process and

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00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 12: respectful to each other.

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Speaker 2: I'm not ages, James. How old are you?

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Speaker 12: I'm thirty seven, although Wikipedia can't decide whether I'm thirty

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Speaker 12: seven or thirty eight, so not for the record, I'm

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Speaker 12: thirty seven. Birthdays in August. No need to send any

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 12: gifts down my way. Just come and visit and spend

1162
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Speaker 12: your tourist dollars down the South.

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Speaker 2: Old Oh look at that. Straight on the job already, James,

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Speaker 2: Meg the new Minister for the South Islands. It is

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Speaker 2: sixteen to six. We're moving on and to the huddle

1166
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Speaker 2: we go.

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Speaker 5: And in the.

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Speaker 2: Hudder we have tri sess and from SS and Willis

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Speaker 2: pr Peghani, the CEO of Child Fun.

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Speaker 21: Hello people and happy New Year.

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Speaker 22: What about that, James, I think it's too late to

1172
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 22: say that trash, isn't it?

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Speaker 18: Is?

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00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:09,760
Speaker 22: It almost too late?

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00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 21: No for show first, when you first see people I

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Speaker 21: go through to the end of January, I think it's fine.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I only packed down my Christmas tree

1178
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 2: two days ago because I've been on holidays, you know,

1179
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: so frankly, the New Year hasn't really happened for me

1180
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Speaker 2: that James Meager fellow Josie PEGANI he seems pretty good.

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Speaker 22: He's pretty impressive, isn't he first time MP, first term MP.

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Speaker 22: And look, if anyone can make this ghost Chips ministerial

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Speaker 22: portfolio into something that means something, it's probably him.

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Speaker 19: I do think the top the Why do.

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Speaker 2: You say it's a ghost chip portfolio.

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Speaker 22: Because I'll tell you why, Andrew, because Whomen in the

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Speaker 22: last government we had a minister for Auckland And the

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Speaker 22: problem with these kind of slightly vanity ministerial portfolios is

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Speaker 22: that they sound great, but they've got no leavers to pull,

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Speaker 22: they've got no ministry, so they can't actually do much

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00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 22: and all they can do is kind of represent Auckland

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Speaker 22: or represent the south Old. So I don't think it's

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Speaker 22: a portfolio that means much other than that. You know,

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Speaker 22: someone like James Meagher if he can make something of it,

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Speaker 22: if he can make something of promoting the South Island,

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Speaker 22: he will.

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Speaker 18: But it's a ghost Chips portfolio.

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Speaker 2: Do you agree with that, Trish?

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Speaker 19: I do agree with that.

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Speaker 18: Actually.

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Speaker 21: I think if the job is being done by the

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Speaker 21: senior ministers in the key portfolios, that means it's a

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Speaker 21: job that's being done for New Zealanders in the places

1204
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 21: they care about, like can I get an operation?

1205
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 18: Am I safe?

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Speaker 21: Is the economy growing regardless of whether you're in the

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Speaker 21: South Island or the North Island, And it seems odd

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Speaker 21: to me that you would have a minister for the

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Speaker 21: South Island. There's no minister for the North Island. The

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00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 21: Minister for Auckland issues was done away with, and as

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Speaker 21: an Auckland I agree. I sense it's about actually showing

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Speaker 21: the South Island some love and that there is some

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Speaker 21: focus there. I don't know that it's going to be

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Speaker 21: a huge vote winner because I think you know, as

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Speaker 21: you've seen with Nationals reshuffle that's been signaled this year,

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Speaker 21: it is all about the economy and it's all about

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Speaker 21: growth and that's not actually about the government's box. That's

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01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 21: about the government getting out of the way of New

1219
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 21: Zealand business and get help, you know, making sure they

1220
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Speaker 21: can get cranking.

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Speaker 2: And Josie, the reshuffle is all about Sibby and Brown.

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 2: He's the new mister fix It. He's the new Stephen Joyce.

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Speaker 2: He's the new let's give a guy a job. And

1224
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: even if it's a bad one. He's going to go. Yep,

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01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 2: I'm up for it and I'm ready to go. But

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Speaker 2: does is this a sign that they don't have anybody

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Speaker 2: else in their cabinet, in their in their caucus.

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Speaker 15: Ah.

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Speaker 22: Yeah, you make a good point, because I think they

1230
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 22: came into government with quite a small caucus. You know

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01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 22: that is in opposition, it was a small caucus, and

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Speaker 22: they've come into government with one. So they do lack

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01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 22: a bit of talent in that in the in the

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01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 22: back seats there. And Simeon Brown is the kind of

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Speaker 22: mix it mister fix it guy there. I mean, he's

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Speaker 22: certainly made in roads and reframing local government, transport, energy,

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Speaker 22: and he's got a reputation for kind of holding holding

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Speaker 22: government government departments accountable, making it really clear what his

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Speaker 22: expectations are. He's quite tough, so I think he's a

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01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 22: good choice for health. And certainly the drums were out

1241
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 22: for Shane Retty. A nice guy, but not wrong diagnosis.

1242
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Speaker 22: You know, he's a doctor, but he just wasn't quite

1243
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 22: sort of getting his teeth into the right problem for health.

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01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 22: And I think this is a problem what Simeon is

1245
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 22: going to have to face here in the health portfolio.

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01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,840
Speaker 22: We're all blom and terrified of something happening to us

1247
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 22: or our families because can't see a GP, can't get

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01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 22: an appointment. I've got an appointment for an MRI. I've

1249
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 22: got to wait about a year, you know.

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Speaker 18: I mean, it's just.

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Speaker 22: Crazy at the moment. So I think people are really

1252
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Speaker 22: terrified of this. And it can't just be chuck more

1253
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 22: money at it, and neither can it be cut spending

1254
01:01:52,040 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 22: and just rearrange the deck chairs and you know, cut

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01:01:54,920 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 22: spending in the health button. It's just got to be

1256
01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 22: structural changed there, and you've got to find a way

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01:01:59,760 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 22: to do it.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. My neighbor actually just found out she

1259
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 2: has blood cancer and there's no way that she's getting

1260
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 2: anywhere near any treatment or any oncologists for six months,

1261
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 2: and she's going what was going to happen in that

1262
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 2: six months. That is the primal fear that mister Brown

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01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: is going to have to counter. It is eleven to six.

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Speaker 2: This is the huddle on news talks.

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Speaker 3: Heb fat to Uma scrutiny suggestion.

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Speaker 2: Of the huddle with Tris Sheerson and jose PEGANI. And

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Speaker 2: it's inauguration day tomorrow, so I actually had a fellow saying, Joseie, no, sorry, Tristan,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go to Tristan. Now, a fellow on

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Speaker 2: the radio just before saying, this will be the most

1270
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,800
Speaker 2: powerful United States president ever because he owns the House,

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01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 2: he owns the Senate, he's got the vote, and he's

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01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 2: also got all of corporate America falling at their feet.

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01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,040
Speaker 2: And of course the Supreme Court says you can't actually

1274
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 2: sort of prosecute him. So do you agree with that?

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01:02:49,800 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 21: Well, someone much smarter than me over the weekend made

1276
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 21: the analogy that this is like when Caesar took Rome

1277
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 21: effectively for all of those reasons that you've said, like,

1278
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 21: you know, he can't he can't be prosecuted.

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Speaker 11: He will have incredible.

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Speaker 21: Power over everything. I mean, I think one of the

1281
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,480
Speaker 21: great spectacles this week will be all of the all

1282
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Speaker 21: of the tech bros bending the knee to Trump. You know,

1283
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:23,040
Speaker 21: Corporate America throwing you know, it's sort of like terrible,

1284
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 21: terrible mental image, but you know they'll be sort of

1285
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 21: throwing undies and money at him is as fast as

1286
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 21: they can, and it just I think from here it's

1287
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,960
Speaker 21: a it's a hold on to your hats moment. There

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01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 21: has also been talk that Trump is going to sign

1289
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 21: something like a hundred executive orders in the first twenty

1290
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 21: four hours of office. So you know what an absolute

1291
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 21: lucky dip that's going to be.

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Speaker 19: And I love it, Andrew. I mean like talking about

1293
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 19: the tech bros. I mean, they really have been sucking up,

1294
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:56,880
Speaker 19: haven't they?

1295
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 18: To Trump?

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01:03:57,440 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 22: At Mari Lago and someone described Elon Muskers as channeling

1297
01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 22: a kind of top Gun meets Goldfinger five, which, when

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01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 22: you think about it, that's exactly what he looks like.

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Speaker 22: And even like Mark Zuckerberg, you know, who seemed like

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Speaker 22: this kind of serial killer look that he had as

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Speaker 22: dead fish eyes, you know, Julius Caesar haircut, and now

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Speaker 22: he's become the simpering, baggy T shirted, gold chain wearing

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Speaker 22: kind of white wrapper.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people have been watching too many movies, but yes,

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Speaker 2: I agree, it's going to be very cinematic at six

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Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow and we'll have full coverage. Thank you so much, Tutrician, Josie,

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Speaker 2: This is News Talks. He be at sixty six.

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Speaker 1: Red or blue, Trump or Harris? Who will win the

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Speaker 1: battleground states? The latest on the US election. It's Heather

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Speaker 1: duplicy Alan drive with one New Zealand. Let's get connected.

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Speaker 3: Youth talks in be.

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Speaker 2: A New Talks be you can text ninety two ninety

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Speaker 2: two small charge, Aaron writes, Andrew, keep an eye on

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Speaker 2: mister Megha. This guy's going places. I reckon he'll be

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Speaker 2: New Zealand's first Maldi prime minister.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Aaron Ps writes Labor was also lacking in talent during

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Speaker 2: their time in power. On the question I asked as

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Speaker 2: national because they're giving everything to Simeon, Labor was also

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Speaker 2: lacking in talent. Ps goes on to say Chris Hipkins

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Speaker 2: was there, mister fix it. And this is true as well,

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Speaker 2: speaking of all that. Someone have found it very funny

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Speaker 2: on my delivery editorial about Simon Brown who said delivery

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Speaker 2: an awful lot over the last twenty four hours. He

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Speaker 2: finds it very funny that Disinda Adurn called one year

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Speaker 2: a year of delivery. So obviously delivery is a word

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Speaker 2: a thing for politicians. I've often said two sides of

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Speaker 2: the same coin. All politicians in New Zealand fair to

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Speaker 2: say yes or no whatever delivery and Lee Andrew, do

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Speaker 2: you think it is a coincidence that every time there

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Speaker 2: are big fires overseas, we start having a spate of

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Speaker 2: fires in New Zealand. Lee, No, no, they are d

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Speaker 2: heads everywhere. To quote Olli Peterson, Nicola Willis is joining

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Speaker 2: us right after the news the new Minister of everything economic.

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Speaker 2: I thought she had all the economic plot follows. No,

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Speaker 2: they gave one to Melinda Lee, and I'll tee the

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Speaker 2: other thing Melissa Lee. And the other thing is she

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Speaker 2: had envy, which is a big, old, powerful unit full

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Speaker 2: of a whole lot of people. So now Nichola has

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Speaker 2: got that and it's the year of growth. So how's

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Speaker 2: she going to do it?

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Speaker 1: That's next ye We're Business Meets Insight the Business Hour

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Speaker 1: with Drew Dickins on News Talks MB.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome back to the program. Thank you for joining us.

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Speaker 2: It's the twentieth of January. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 2: what we have to do to fix New Zealand's energy

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Speaker 2: crisis later in the program, but welcome to the Year

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Speaker 2: of Growth. As pointed out by the Prime Minister Christopher

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Speaker 2: Luxon yesterday, and that economic growth and the economic recovery

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Speaker 2: of New Zealand has been placed firmly into Nicola Willis's lap.

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Speaker 2: Nicola the Finance Minister. She is now though also the

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Speaker 2: new Minister for Economic Growth in addition to being Finance.

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Speaker 2: Chris Luxon says twenty twenty five, it's all about going

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Speaker 2: for growth and Nicola is the one to do it.

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Speaker 2: And Nicola joins me. Now, congratulations Nicola, and happy new year.

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Speaker 18: Thanks Andrew. Happy new year to you too.

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Speaker 19: And this is going to be the year in which

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Speaker 19: we drive growth of the New Zealand economy forward. That

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Speaker 19: is the way we can afford all of the things

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Speaker 19: New Zealanders deserve.

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Speaker 18: No job, better incomes, investment in our public services.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about this new portfolio. So economic development now

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Speaker 2: becomes economic growth and it goes from listen to these

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Speaker 2: hands to yours. Why wasn't in your hands right from

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Speaker 2: the get go.

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Speaker 18: Well, traditionally these two portfolios, finance and what has been

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Speaker 18: previously called economic development, haven't been held by the same minister.

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Speaker 18: What the PMS identified is, given how important growth is

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Speaker 18: to our agenda, he wants me driving that across government.

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Speaker 18: So in this portfolio, I will lead the Ministry for Business,

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Speaker 18: Innovation and Employment. Yes, and through that role I will

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Speaker 18: be making sure that we're responding to businesses, industries, small

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Speaker 18: business owners about what they need to have the confidence

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Speaker 18: to be investing, to be hiring, to be innovating. And

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Speaker 18: there are a lot of things we can do to

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Speaker 18: reform New Zealand to remove the barriers to all of those.

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Speaker 18: They talk about that progressing a big agenda, but there's

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Speaker 18: more to do.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk about that. But MB was created by Stephen

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Speaker 2: Joyce who was the Minister of Finance as well, and

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Speaker 2: it is a big unit full of a lot of

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Speaker 2: big brains who work on economic development in many cases,

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Speaker 2: and you are starting to use their forecast as well

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Speaker 2: as Treasury more and more and again I come back

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Speaker 2: to the question it just beggars belief that the two

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Speaker 2: were separated in the first place.

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Speaker 18: Well, look, MB does things that are very specific to

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Speaker 18: particular sectors. So they're looking at the whole immigration area,

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Speaker 18: they look at the science and innovation area, regulation, employment law,

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Speaker 18: so it's a broad span, whereas treasuries focus is more

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Speaker 18: on the big picture of what are we doing to

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Speaker 18: manage the books, ensure that inflation, interest rates are in

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Speaker 18: the right place, and those questions of where we allocate

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Speaker 18: funding and the budget and across our various public services,

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Speaker 18: so they are distinct roles. There are a huge scope

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Speaker 18: for NB. The point for me is, let's make sure

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Speaker 18: we're prioritizing that work properly. We're doing the things that

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Speaker 18: will really shift the dial, and we're doing them at pace,

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Speaker 18: and we're being responsive to the people who will actually

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Speaker 18: create growth, which in the end won't be a government minister,

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Speaker 18: and it'll be every entrepreneur who decides to invest in

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Speaker 18: that next step. It are we every exporter who says

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Speaker 18: let's take on a new market. It'll be every manufacturer

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Speaker 18: who says, let's buy that next piece of machinery. Where

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Speaker 18: both comes from.

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Speaker 2: I understand that all let's talk about growth and let's

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Speaker 2: talk about productivity. Because Roger Partridge from the New Zealand Initiative,

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Speaker 2: but an article in the Held last week. Did you

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Speaker 2: read it?

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Speaker 18: I did. I thought it was a good article.

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Speaker 2: And he points out that New Zealand ranks near the

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Speaker 2: top of per capita resources and assets, but New Zealand

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Speaker 2: ranks seventh globally for average private adult wealth. This is

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Speaker 2: all great, but we are only ranked twenty second in

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Speaker 2: the OECD for GDP for capiture. So in other words,

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Speaker 2: where's all the money going. We've got it, but it's

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Speaker 2: not going into productivity.

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Speaker 18: That's right. So actually our fundamentals are good. We are

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Speaker 18: a wealthy country when you think about our natural resources,

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Speaker 18: our talent, our capability. The problem is, for actually decades,

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Speaker 18: we've done badly on what people call productivity, which is

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Speaker 18: how much we produce for an hour of work. How

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Speaker 18: people work hard, they work big hours, but we don't

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Speaker 18: get enough value out of that, and that's because our

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Speaker 18: economy hasn't been as efficient as it needs to be.

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Speaker 18: The question for us is also.

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Speaker 2: New Zealand, doers take their wealth and they invested in

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Speaker 2: bricks and watar because the residential market has been so

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Speaker 2: profitable for them, and then that's locked up money, you know,

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Speaker 2: and you've met it even easier for investors to lock

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Speaker 2: up money which should be going into businesses to expand.

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Speaker 18: Well, I'd argue that actually we will continue to need

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Speaker 18: rental properties available so that we have stabilization and rents

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Speaker 18: in New Zealand. But you're right, I do want to

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Speaker 18: see more investment in our industries and our export are

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Speaker 18: exporters because they're the ones actually making us a living

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Speaker 18: in the world. And when you talk to farmers When

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Speaker 18: you talk to people in the digital services industries, they

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Speaker 18: say for them to make those investments, they need to

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Speaker 18: feel that in New Zealand, they're not going to face

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Speaker 18: too much red tape. They can get skilled workers, that

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Speaker 18: they've got good trading relationships, that if they want to

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Speaker 18: access capital, that is funding from other parts of the world,

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Speaker 18: that that investment can come in, that we have a

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Speaker 18: good science and innovation system to support them. So those

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Speaker 18: are the sorts of issues we have to get into.

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Speaker 18: The nitty gritty of it is actually an area that

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Speaker 18: is about the detail of each of those areas. And

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Speaker 18: as a government, we've been driving reform across the resource

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Speaker 18: management system so people can get a consent. We're looking

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Speaker 18: to cut through the red tape and the Health and

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Speaker 18: Safety Act. We've been doing things with employment law, but

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Speaker 18: there is more.

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Speaker 2: To do Roger and Roger also talks about five hundred

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Speaker 2: billion dollars worth of Crown held assets that he believes

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Speaker 2: locks up the capital. He believes we need to get

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Speaker 2: into asset recycling, just like New South Wales have done

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Speaker 2: over the last decade. Do you agree.

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Speaker 18: I agree that we need to manage the significant assets

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Speaker 18: that the government owns much much better when you look

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Speaker 18: across the Tasman, Sydney, Melbourne. Part of what has allowed

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Speaker 18: them to have much more advanced transport systems is that

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Speaker 18: they have embraced public private partnerships. They've allowed new mechanisms

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Speaker 18: for funding public transport projects and major roads. And that's

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Speaker 18: exactly the reforms that we put in last year with

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Speaker 18: our National Infrastructure Agency now open for business and we

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Speaker 18: are actively seeking investment from partners around the world to

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Speaker 18: do a better job of delivering that infrastructure.

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Speaker 2: Well, because when you talk about asset recycling, that's just

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Speaker 2: a new politically correct for a little bit of privatization,

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Speaker 2: and that actually causes some willy wobbles, which and I

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Speaker 2: know that causes willy wobbles because Christopher Luxon in his campaigns,

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Speaker 2: we're saying we're not going to be doing this sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff. So in a way you said we will.

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Speaker 18: Well, what I've said is the first step is to

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Speaker 18: manage our existing assets better. The second step is to

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Speaker 18: make sure that when we're creating new assets, new roads,

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Speaker 18: new hospitals, that we're doing that much more efficiently. And

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Speaker 18: then down the line are potentially at the election, we

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Speaker 18: should have a conversation in New Zealand about our investments

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Speaker 18: in the right place. Are there things that we would

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Speaker 18: rather have than some of the things we currently have.

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Speaker 18: That's a conversation for down the line. But first step,

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Speaker 18: manage what we've got a lot better and deliver the

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Speaker 18: new things we're committed to much more efficiently.

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Speaker 2: Now I apologize, but this is it has to be said.

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Speaker 2: Labor Minister Stuart Nash has written an opinion piece today

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Speaker 2: in Newsroom. I don't know if you've read it or not,

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Speaker 2: and then it for those who have not read it.

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Speaker 2: There was a term circulating amongst the business community around

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Speaker 2: the country. It's called being Willis. Being Willis happens to

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Speaker 2: senior businessmen and women who attend meetings with the Finance

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Speaker 2: Minister Nicola Willis and leave having received a lecture on

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Speaker 2: how to run a business and what they should do

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Speaker 2: to be successful, despite the fact that Nicola Willis has

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Speaker 2: not been in the business sector apart from one job

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Speaker 2: at Fonterra. What do you make of what Stuart's just written?

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Speaker 18: Well, I was so cross when I read that because

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Speaker 18: it's so far from what I say to business audiences

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Speaker 18: and such a false depiction of my role at Fontira

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Speaker 18: that I actually rang Stuart today to ask him where

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Speaker 18: he's coming from. Unfortunately he hasn't picked up my call yet.

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Speaker 18: So if you're listening, Steve, give me a call. Because

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Speaker 18: one of the first things I say to business audiences

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Speaker 18: wherever I am in the country is it's not the

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Speaker 18: government who should tell you how to run your business.

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Speaker 18: You know how to do it better than we do.

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Speaker 18: Our job is to create the conditions in which you

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Speaker 18: can succeed. And I'll also defend myself. At Fontira, I

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Speaker 18: had a range of roles including trade strategy with some

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01:15:00,520 --> 01:15:03,880
Speaker 18: of our critical trading partners around the world, deploying our

1512
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:08,799
Speaker 18: commercial strategy, and ultimately running an operational unit with farms

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 18: and waste management. So his characterization of my experience is wrong.

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01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 18: We will make mistakes, Jue, so you are open to

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01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 18: correct that one.

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Speaker 7: All right.

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01:15:18,160 --> 01:15:20,320
Speaker 2: Now, Look, you've just hired the visitor levy from thirty

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01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 2: five dollars to one hundred bucks per traveler councilors and

1519
01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: of course the Department of Conservation want that money. They

1520
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 2: feel it's being sucked up into the consolidated fund or

1521
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:34,040
Speaker 2: some slush fund somewhere. Are you going to give councils

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01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:39,519
Speaker 2: and do more to manage our assets that are stressed

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01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 2: by tourism.

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01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 18: Yes, our view is that having more international visitors come

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01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,639
Speaker 18: to New Zealand is the really good thing, and I'm

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01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 18: delighted that the numbers for our foreign visitors through December

1527
01:15:53,479 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 18: and January are the highest I've been in five years.

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01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 18: That does create pressure both on our conservation to state

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,080
Speaker 18: our national parks and the infrastructure needed to support those visitors,

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01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 18: and it creates pressure in our regions in terms of

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01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:12,680
Speaker 18: what tourists coming in require. So we haven't made as

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01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,560
Speaker 18: our cabinet decisions yet on what we will do specifically

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01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:20,240
Speaker 18: with that additional revenue, but our intention is to support

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01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 18: both conservation activity and to support tourism and to keep

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01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 18: that pump going so that we keep attracting tourists and

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01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 18: the money they bring to our businesses, our retailers, our

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01:16:31,120 --> 01:16:32,440
Speaker 18: hospitality providers.

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Speaker 2: Now and as I said at the beginning of the program,

1539
01:16:34,520 --> 01:16:36,439
Speaker 2: of New Zealand certainly has mojo at the moment. I mean,

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01:16:36,479 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 2: did you see what happened on this past weekend. Everywhere

1541
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 2: everybody's out, everybody's making things happen. Entrepreneurially, we're up for

1542
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,240
Speaker 2: it mate. A year of growth is what we all want. Nicola,

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Speaker 2: I thank you so much for your time today. That

1544
01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 2: is Nicola Willius and the Finance Minister. It's seventeen minutes after.

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01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:56,639
Speaker 1: Six analysis from the experts bringing you everything you need

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01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:59,439
Speaker 1: to know on the US election. It's the business our

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01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:03,000
Speaker 1: Heather Dup for c Allen and my HR THEHR solution

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01:17:03,160 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: for busy SMEs used talks.

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01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 3: They'd be.

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01:17:07,080 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 2: A few people have briefly commented that Nicola and I

1551
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,719
Speaker 2: briefly talked over each other. She was linked by internet.

1552
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: There is a lag and we've noticed that there's about

1553
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 2: one second mag so that happens from time to time,

1554
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:22,000
Speaker 2: and I apologize. Now we have Jared Kerr on the

1555
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 2: line and he is KIWI Banks chief Economists. Welcome to

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01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 2: the program, Jared, and happy new year. Happy new year,

1557
01:17:28,680 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 2: and it's time to look at this year and to

1558
01:17:30,400 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 2: look at the economy and look at the markets. I've

1559
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 2: been treading this slightly for a little while now because

1560
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 2: I've had such a happy time over someone with my holiday,

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01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:39,040
Speaker 2: but there we go. So the latest one is the

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Speaker 2: inflation data, which for the December quarter is out on Wednesday.

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01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:47,160
Speaker 2: We have a dollar that's tanking in petrol that's going

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01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:49,280
Speaker 2: up and all sorts of things. So what do you

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01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: think is going to look like, Well, we.

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Speaker 7: Think it's going to be quite good. Actually, the annual

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01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 7: rate's going to fall to about two point one percent,

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01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,759
Speaker 7: which from the Reserve Bank's perspective, you know, that's job done.

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01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 7: There's a few things happening beneath the surface there. We're

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01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 7: seeing like petro port petrol prices are actually down, a

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01:18:08,320 --> 01:18:12,280
Speaker 7: lot of imported goods are down in price, which is nice.

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01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,679
Speaker 7: And it's just the homegrown inflation that's still a little sticky,

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 7: but it looks to be heading in the right direction.

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Speaker 2: You talk about that homegrown that's that's the that's a nontradable, right,

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01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: that's the stuff like, well, we've got their rates and

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01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:31,200
Speaker 2: rents and electricity charges and supermarket charges and all sorts

1577
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:34,080
Speaker 2: of things, and that's a never ending, you know, saga

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01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: of increasing costs and increasing prices. Don't we have more

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01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,640
Speaker 2: control over that than than the tradable inflation, which is

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01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 2: overseas based.

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01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, exactly right. So the Reserve Bank does target, you know,

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01:18:49,360 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 7: with a with an eye on domestic inflation because that's

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01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 7: what they can control it has fallen quite sharply over

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01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 7: the last couple of years. It's got a little bit

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01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:03,120
Speaker 7: fairther a go. Like you say, there's some frustrating stuff

1586
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:08,719
Speaker 7: in there, like rates, you know, council rates, insurance costs.

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01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 7: There's a few things in there that are quite that

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01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 7: are running at quite a high rate. That will start

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Speaker 7: to ease off this year.

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01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,519
Speaker 2: But last time we measured that was have a five

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01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:20,759
Speaker 2: percent that's that's the inflation rate from hell.

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01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 7: Well, it's in the falls now and we expect it

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01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:28,800
Speaker 7: to come to come down to about three percent this year,

1594
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,920
Speaker 7: which is in line with its longer run average. So

1595
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 7: we have had a really strong bout of inflation. But

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01:19:35,960 --> 01:19:37,720
Speaker 7: the good news is that we're on top of it

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01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:39,759
Speaker 7: and it's getting back to longer term averages.

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Speaker 2: Very good. Meanwhile, as I mentioned before, the New Zealand

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Speaker 2: doal is looking terrible. What do you make of that.

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Speaker 7: It's a double edged sword. So on the on the

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01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:53,560
Speaker 7: one hand, it's really useful in making New Zealand detractive.

1602
01:19:54,600 --> 01:19:58,000
Speaker 7: New Zealand goes on sale when the currency falls, makes

1603
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,200
Speaker 7: our goods and services and travel cheaper to foreigners. So

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01:20:02,439 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 7: you know that's nice. We need more tourists here and

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01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:10,320
Speaker 7: our farmers could always do with a few extra dollars

1606
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:15,680
Speaker 7: in pay. The other side is one of Kivi frustration,

1607
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:20,080
Speaker 7: where it costs US more to buy foreign goods, costs

1608
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 7: US more to travel over seas. So the falling dollar,

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01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 7: you know, good on one hand, bad on the other.

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01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:28,240
Speaker 7: I'm an economist, you know, I stay down the middle.

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01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:31,240
Speaker 7: It is. It is a bit better for US as

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01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 7: an economic when it does come up.

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01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:35,160
Speaker 2: But the thing is, it also affects things like oil

1614
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 2: prices and petrol prices, and rather than worrying about going

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01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 2: over seas, I think most people are more worried about

1616
01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:41,680
Speaker 2: the fact that it's going to cost an awful lot

1617
01:20:41,680 --> 01:20:43,240
Speaker 2: more to deliver their goods to market.

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01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:49,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's true. So as petrol prices lift, petrol prices

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01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 7: are actually down at the moment. But if they if

1620
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 7: they lift on the back of this floor in the currency,

1621
01:20:55,160 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 7: then that that acts like a tax on households, and

1622
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 7: it affects us or anyone with a car or transport.

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01:21:03,920 --> 01:21:07,519
Speaker 2: It hurts, right, Jared, Well, look, I thank you very much,

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01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 2: and we'll talk again soon and have a great year.

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01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 2: It's a year of gross It is now six twenty four.

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01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 2: It's News Talks MB.

1627
01:21:13,520 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 3: Crunching the numbers and getting the results.

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01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:20,240
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous with the Business Hour on Newstalks MB.

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01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 2: It's walking to the program five twenty seven. As we

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01:21:24,560 --> 01:21:26,360
Speaker 2: mentioned a couple of times today on the radio, and

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01:21:26,360 --> 01:21:28,559
Speaker 2: this is Roger Partridge from the New Zealand Initiative. In

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01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,120
Speaker 2: his article last week in the Herald, we he asked

1633
01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,439
Speaker 2: the questions, how do we end out so asset rich

1634
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:38,280
Speaker 2: but service poor? And then he starts talking about the

1635
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 2: assets that we have. Core Crown assets are worth three

1636
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,760
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty seven billion dollars at state highways and

1637
01:21:43,800 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 2: conservation lands, et cetera. Then you've got publicly owned assets

1638
01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: like soees, schools and hospitals, and how total Crown assets

1639
01:21:52,479 --> 01:21:57,839
Speaker 2: reach five hundred and seventy one billion dollars. The government

1640
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 2: owns seventy two thousand houses forty five billion dollars. The

1641
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 2: super fund man manages seventy nine billion dollars. So when

1642
01:22:06,479 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 2: you hear that the government's got no money, well yeah maybe,

1643
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,439
Speaker 2: but the Crown does. And so they talk about this

1644
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 2: idea and it's a it's a term that came in

1645
01:22:15,360 --> 01:22:17,880
Speaker 2: New South Wales. It's called asset recycling, and that is

1646
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:21,200
Speaker 2: managing the crown held assets better, making more money out

1647
01:22:21,240 --> 01:22:24,400
Speaker 2: of them. But it also means recycling the assets, which

1648
01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:27,479
Speaker 2: means selling some as well, which as I said, many

1649
01:22:27,479 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 2: people get very leary about. And of course all the

1650
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 2: comments on that article by Roger Partridge or go, well,

1651
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 2: you don't want to sell off the family silver mate

1652
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,320
Speaker 2: because you only get one sugar hit from that sort

1653
01:22:38,320 --> 01:22:40,439
Speaker 2: of stuff. But anyway, it's a fascinating read. It's a

1654
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 2: big study on it as well, and I suggest that

1655
01:22:42,880 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: you should actually read it. It's a report called Unlocking

1656
01:22:45,360 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 2: Value from Infrastructure New Zealand which suggests asset recycling and

1657
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: the building of a lot more infrastructure is one way

1658
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: out of our productivity crisis. It's coming up six twenty

1659
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:59,240
Speaker 2: nine on Newstalks The Still to Come. We're going to

1660
01:22:59,320 --> 01:23:01,639
Speaker 2: look at what Simon Wats has to do to fix

1661
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:03,560
Speaker 2: the New Zealand's energy crisis.

1662
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:07,080
Speaker 3: Whether it's macro micro or just plain economics.

1663
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,479
Speaker 1: It's all on the Business Hour with Andrew Dickens on

1664
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: these talks.

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01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:32,599
Speaker 2: Ah Billie Eirish, that's a huge song. Had a great

1666
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:35,719
Speaker 2: summer streaming in all over the place. People making money

1667
01:23:35,720 --> 01:23:39,920
Speaker 2: on the internet. Now we're going to text through. This

1668
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 2: is interesting when the text says the issue, of course

1669
01:23:42,600 --> 01:23:44,720
Speaker 2: with the dollar being down is that it's great for

1670
01:23:44,760 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 2: exporters and we're an export based economy. Meanwhile, everyone else

1671
01:23:48,240 --> 01:23:50,800
Speaker 2: feels the pain. And that's true. The domestic economy feels

1672
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:53,720
Speaker 2: the pain. The dollar goes down, the picture prices go up,

1673
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:56,280
Speaker 2: it costs forever to it costs an enormous amount to

1674
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,639
Speaker 2: run the car and all other things, because remember everything

1675
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,640
Speaker 2: depends on energy, right Anyway, the text goes on and

1676
01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:06,840
Speaker 2: says central government will never change their stance because it

1677
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,160
Speaker 2: helps boost GDP and boost tax receipts. And this is

1678
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,000
Speaker 2: the sort of frustration which sends people who are not

1679
01:24:13,080 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: involved in the export industry and they were not making

1680
01:24:15,479 --> 01:24:17,680
Speaker 2: money from the lower dollar. That's the sort of thing

1681
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 2: that sends people overseas. And I read that text out

1682
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 2: because I want to talk about energy. The energy sector

1683
01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:28,920
Speaker 2: drives an economy, and the energy sector has a new

1684
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 2: minister and they're hoping that that new minister will have

1685
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:35,640
Speaker 2: new solutions to the country's energy crisis. So we've got

1686
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 2: electricity prices continuing to rise. We've got no solution found

1687
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:42,600
Speaker 2: for our looming gas shortage so far. And we have

1688
01:24:42,640 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 2: a new Climate Change Minister and it's Simon Watts from

1689
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,680
Speaker 2: the North Shore. He picks up the energy portfolio from

1690
01:24:47,720 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 2: simmm Brown. So let's talk about this. I'm joined by

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01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 2: Octopus Energy Chief Operating Officer Margaret Cooney right now, Happy

1692
01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 2: new year, Margaret.

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:57,880
Speaker 12: Thanks for giving me.

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01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 2: It's a pleasure. So the energy crisis, where is it

1695
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,360
Speaker 2: from your point of view?

1696
01:25:04,240 --> 01:25:04,439
Speaker 10: Oh?

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01:25:04,479 --> 01:25:07,760
Speaker 23: Look, it's still going. I think as we saw in

1698
01:25:07,800 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 23: December when the GDP numbers came out, electricity costs are

1699
01:25:14,160 --> 01:25:17,120
Speaker 23: having a real drag on the economy and end productivity.

1700
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 23: So the issue the dry year has gone from last year,

1701
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 23: but issue of high prices impacting New Zealand businesses and

1702
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 23: households is an ongoing issue.

1703
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so what's the answer? I know, I mean, we

1704
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:34,920
Speaker 2: all know this is the problem with it so many things.

1705
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 2: We can all point out the problem beautifully. The question

1706
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 2: is what is the answer.

1707
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1708
01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 23: Well, I think the good thing is that New Zealand

1709
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 23: really didn't need to reinvent the wheel here that OCD

1710
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,520
Speaker 23: have identified that basically we need to do some reforms

1711
01:25:50,560 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 23: to support competition in the sector. So one of the

1712
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,160
Speaker 23: things that the Minister has highlighted is that there is

1713
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 23: a reform agenda that's needed energy and it's really action

1714
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,320
Speaker 23: in that. So we know already that the current energy

1715
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 23: prices are well above the cost of new generation. So

1716
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:13,479
Speaker 23: all we need is new generation coming into market and

1717
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:18,280
Speaker 23: also settings that support much more innovation. So we have

1718
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 23: seen abroad just the massive impact that entry from new

1719
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:30,879
Speaker 23: generation investors and retailers like ourselves as having on energy markets.

1720
01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,479
Speaker 23: And I think, you know, there's a bad news story

1721
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 23: at the moment around energy, but there should be a

1722
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:40,680
Speaker 23: lot of hope and confidence that with some reform we

1723
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 23: can actually make sure that the New Zealand economy is

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Speaker 23: driven by the energy sector and it's not no longer

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Speaker 23: an Archilles heel.

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Speaker 2: So when we talk about new generation, if you're going

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Speaker 2: to talk about a DAN that's going to take forever,

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Speaker 2: even no matter how much fast track legislation comes in.

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Speaker 2: The resource consenting and the engineering is extraordinary. If you're

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Speaker 2: going hydro, then you've got to cause wind, and you've

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01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:06,720
Speaker 2: got geothermal et cetera, and you've got solar. You know, now,

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Speaker 2: really do we have enough extra generation there to actually

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Speaker 2: cope with what we already use in terms of energy

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Speaker 2: and what we hope to use in energy to further

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Speaker 2: far on growth.

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Speaker 23: There is quite a substantial pipeline of potential generation development sites.

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Speaker 23: Part of the problem is that lots of these new

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01:27:31,960 --> 01:27:35,519
Speaker 23: entrant generators actually can't get the projects off the ground

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01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 23: because they can't get the contracts of counterparties because the

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01:27:41,240 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 23: market so locked up. So it's really just reforming that

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01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 23: piece to unleash a level of investment that's needed to

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Speaker 23: help scale the sector and also decarbonize the sector as well.

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Speaker 2: Everyone loves to talk about the oil gas exploration. Of

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01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: course we didn't promote it. We didn't actually stir it

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Speaker 2: on by banning it. That was bad for business, and

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01:28:07,400 --> 01:28:09,200
Speaker 2: of course people didn't want to put money into that

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Speaker 2: sort of business if they're going to see a government

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Speaker 2: banning and then unbanning oil and gas exploration. But also

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Speaker 2: before that even happened, we were finding it difficult to

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Speaker 2: find any new sources. So where do you think that

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Speaker 2: Where do you think we are in that area in

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Speaker 2: that sector of the sector.

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Speaker 23: Look, I think there are a whole number of issues

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Speaker 23: around the gas sector. There hasn't been enough exploration to

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01:28:34,960 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 23: bring on new supply. That's an obvious issue, but there's

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Speaker 23: much debate about the Crown Minerals Act as well, So

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Speaker 23: I don't think we should expect huge changes there in

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Speaker 23: the short term. It as a gas is ultimately like

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01:28:51,320 --> 01:28:55,160
Speaker 23: kind of ten year horizon to invest in it and

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Speaker 23: find it. But I think one of the things we

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Speaker 23: should place a lot more hopen is actually the potential

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Speaker 23: of other technologies to fill the gap that has previously

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Speaker 23: been filled by gas. So we are seeing massive reductions

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Speaker 23: in the cost of grid scale batteries, and so the

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Speaker 23: combination of building out those renewables like solar that's falling

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Speaker 23: and putting batteries in that is another solution.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely, But of course then they become dependent

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Speaker 2: on the rare earth minerals that then also start to

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01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 2: run out, and then you have a run out there

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Speaker 2: as well. I mean, really, what human kind needs to

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Speaker 2: find is a cheap and reliable and perpetually renewing energy source.

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Speaker 2: Have you heard of any of those ladies.

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Speaker 23: Well, we've got a New Zealand based nuclear fusion operation,

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01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:01,519
Speaker 23: so open Star. Maybe there's hope in that.

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Speaker 2: Really is that we're at because I'm hearing this in

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Speaker 2: America as well, I think they are saying they are saying, look,

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Speaker 2: we've got an energy crisis in America and look how

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01:30:09,920 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 2: my oil we've got. But so they are really saying

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01:30:14,120 --> 01:30:17,839
Speaker 2: we have not maximized nuclear technology.

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Speaker 16: Yeah.

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Speaker 23: Look, I think more immediately for New Zealand building out

1782
01:30:24,160 --> 01:30:29,640
Speaker 23: renewables and batteries are an option lot guests. In the

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Speaker 23: medium term maybe, but there's a few hurdles there.

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 23: The other big thing to highlight is that for households,

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Speaker 23: adopting solar is becoming increasingly economic. So the payback on

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01:30:47,680 --> 01:30:51,320
Speaker 23: the solar system now is around five to seven years,

1788
01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,240
Speaker 23: and you know, beyond that period, it's not.

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Speaker 17: Like a couch.

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Speaker 23: It actually starts making new money. So the LAE team,

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01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 23: which we don't need to know, extending our energy supply,

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Speaker 23: you know, I would strongly encourage everyone who has the

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01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:12,920
Speaker 23: access to money or a lot of interest loan to

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Speaker 23: look at solar because you know, it really really does

1795
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Speaker 23: steck up.

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Speaker 2: All right, Margaret Cooney, I thank you so much. Now

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Speaker 2: Margaret is the Octopus Energy Chief operating Officer, And it

1798
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Speaker 2: is now sixteen minutes to seven. We're after the Europe

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Speaker 2: in just a few months time. This is news Talks.

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Speaker 1: AB everything from SMEs to the big corporates of the

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01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:37,880
Speaker 1: Business Hour with Dridkins on News Talks AB.

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01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been talking, well, we've been talking to some

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01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 2: pretty depressing stuff over the course of this hour. But

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01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 2: I did start off the program by talking about how

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01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:53,919
Speaker 2: vibrant New Zealand was over the weekend, how many activities

1806
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,200
Speaker 2: were being held up and down the country, how many

1807
01:31:57,240 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 2: people got out and invested in those activities, how many

1808
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:03,920
Speaker 2: hospitality ventures managed to profit from those, how many people

1809
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:06,160
Speaker 2: got employed by it. And I just had a text

1810
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:09,639
Speaker 2: saying from Steve saying, Graymouth and the West Coast is

1811
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 2: absolutely pumping right now, full of tourists and fantastic weather,

1812
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:17,679
Speaker 2: and always remember that it's a good place to be living.

1813
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Speaker 2: But meanwhile, let's go overseas. We go to Gail Downey now,

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Speaker 2: who is our UK correspondent. Hello and happy New Year.

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Speaker 24: Gail, Hello Andrew and happy New Year to you too.

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Speaker 2: And let's get to the issue of the of the day,

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Speaker 2: and this is the Gaza and Israel deal and the

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Speaker 2: swap of hostages. So we've had a British Israeli hostage released.

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Speaker 24: That's right. Her name is Emily Demara, and she's among

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Speaker 24: three young women released as part of the ceasefire agreement

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Speaker 24: in Gaza. She and the other hostages were reunited with

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Speaker 24: their mums at the Sheba Hospital in Tel Aviv, where

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Speaker 24: they were undergoing medical checks. Emily was seen with a

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Speaker 24: bandage around her hand and has two missing fingers, and

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Speaker 24: she had been shot when she was captured by her

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Speaker 24: mass at the kibbutz where she'd been working. We don't

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Speaker 24: know any more detail than that she'd been held captive

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Speaker 24: for four hundred and seventy one days, and further hostage

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Speaker 24: releases are expected in a staged process which is going

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Speaker 24: to take place over the next few weeks, and in return,

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Speaker 24: ninety Palestinian prisoners, mostly women and children, have been freed

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Speaker 24: from Israeli jails as part of the deal.

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Speaker 2: Do you think we'll ever hear her story, because four

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Speaker 2: hundred and seventy one days is enormous. The toll will

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Speaker 2: be great, the mental toll will be great, and there'll

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Speaker 2: be some people who will want to tell the story,

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Speaker 2: which we would like to hear, but there'll be others

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Speaker 2: who would never go near us. Yeah.

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Speaker 24: I suspect that at this moment in time, until all

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Speaker 24: the hostages are released, people have decided not to say

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01:33:50,960 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 24: very much that We've had a few little bits and

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01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 24: pieces from people talking about their conditions, but it may

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01:33:56,600 --> 01:34:01,080
Speaker 24: be that the Israeli government feel its safe for people

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Speaker 24: to talk about it because there are still people being

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Speaker 24: held hostage. So I don't know in the long run

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Speaker 24: whether these stories will come out. I'm sure they will

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Speaker 24: in the end, but at the moment people don't seem

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01:34:11,840 --> 01:34:14,439
Speaker 24: to be saying very much. Only the occasional snippet.

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Speaker 2: That's understandable. But whenever we mention either side in our

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01:34:19,640 --> 01:34:21,799
Speaker 2: news stories at the moment, we get an incredible reaction

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01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 2: from the other side, from our listenship, and it takes

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01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:29,519
Speaker 2: or whatever this I think it's important to announce, to

1853
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:33,599
Speaker 2: reiterate is SDEs fire it's not the end of the problem.

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Speaker 24: No, this is a very much a stage process and

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01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:40,000
Speaker 24: what happens in the future, of course, has yet to

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Speaker 24: be decided. Because if you saw the images of displaced

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01:34:44,200 --> 01:34:49,400
Speaker 24: Palestinians who basically were bombed out of the Gaza Strip,

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Speaker 24: they're now returning home.

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Speaker 18: But if you see the.

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Speaker 24: Images of the Gaza Strip, one has to ask themselves,

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01:34:56,520 --> 01:34:59,840
Speaker 24: hold on a minute, there's a massive reconstruction process going

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01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,599
Speaker 24: that needs to be done here, Who's going to pay

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01:35:02,640 --> 01:35:07,519
Speaker 24: for it and who is going to rule if you like,

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01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,640
Speaker 24: in the strictest sense the strip once things kind of

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01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 24: do eventually maybe get back to where they were. But

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Speaker 24: when you see the images you just think this is,

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01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:24,519
Speaker 24: you know, one of a reconstruction job.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely. But the thing here is that Emily Danaly is

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Speaker 2: home with her people. Prince Harry, he's going to court again.

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Speaker 24: Yes, it's part of a massive case against the parent company,

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Speaker 24: Newsgroup Newspapers, which owns The Sun and it also owned

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Speaker 24: which is now closed, the newspaper the Sunday newspaper, the

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Speaker 24: News of the World. It's the first time the group

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Speaker 24: itself has had to put up a defense against allegations

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01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:56,800
Speaker 24: that journalists and executives knew what was going on in

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Speaker 24: the way that the stories were gathered by phone hacking

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01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:02,760
Speaker 24: and other illegal methods. Because in the past what's been

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01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 24: claimed is it was just a handful of wrongdoers and

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01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:08,679
Speaker 24: some of whom have been sent to prisons. So this

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01:36:08,720 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 24: is a case against the group. Now the group has

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01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 24: apologized for unlawful practices at the News of the World

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01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:18,200
Speaker 24: and as to say Clows it down in twenty eleven,

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01:36:18,520 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 24: but it denies similar claims against the Sun newspaper and

1884
01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:26,519
Speaker 24: Prince Harry's wider allegations of a corporate a massive, corporate

1885
01:36:26,560 --> 01:36:27,320
Speaker 24: wide cover up.

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Speaker 2: This must been costing Harry a fortune.

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Speaker 24: Oh, undoubtedly. You don't get a cheap lawyers anywhere if

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Speaker 24: you don't get two lawyers and two parisones in London

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Speaker 24: for sure.

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Speaker 2: And is this hiting in London?

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Speaker 24: Yes, that's right, it's happening in London. Starts tomorrow and

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Speaker 24: obviously we'll bring you more news on that as it happens.

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Speaker 2: Will Harry be in attendant.

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Speaker 24: One expects him to be in attendance, Yes.

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Speaker 2: And will he be giving you.

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Speaker 24: That I don't know at this moment in time. Mean

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01:37:05,360 --> 01:37:09,120
Speaker 24: he has in the past certainly, which has been incredibly interesting,

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Speaker 24: But at the moment we don't know.

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Speaker 2: And here's a great question for you. Why is a

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Speaker 2: local council in Lincolnshire giving out free air friers to

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Speaker 2: six thousand pensioners?

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01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 24: Well once, it's an interesting story actually, because what's happened

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01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 24: is that the government when it came in it's controversially

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01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:31,360
Speaker 24: scrapped what's called the winter fuel payment, which is given

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01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:36,400
Speaker 24: to all pensioners in the UK as part of an

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01:37:36,439 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 24: aid to help them with winter fuel bills. Now it

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01:37:39,800 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 24: says only a certain group of pensioners, people on benefits

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01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 24: in the main who can now claim for it. And

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Speaker 24: what it's done, it's set up something called a Household

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Speaker 24: Support Fund and local authorities, local councils can dip into

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01:37:54,520 --> 01:37:59,240
Speaker 24: the Household Support Fund and use that support householders to

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Speaker 24: support pensions. And what this council has done has said

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01:38:02,600 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 24: we're going to give out use up money to give

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Speaker 24: out air fryers to six thousand pensioners to help with

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01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:13,120
Speaker 24: their energy bills. They're also giving out thirteen hundred slow

1916
01:38:13,120 --> 01:38:16,799
Speaker 24: cookers and four hundred one cup kettles. And of course

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Speaker 24: it's much cheaper to use an air fright than it

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Speaker 24: is to use bigger others. So the idea is yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, okay, funny old thing, got we overthink stuff. Hey, Gail,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for your time today. Talking again later.

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Speaker 2: That is Gail Downey who is our UK correspondent, and

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Speaker 2: this is News Talks.

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Speaker 3: It be getting ready for a new administration in the US.

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Speaker 3: What will be the impact.

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Speaker 1: It's the Business Hour with hither duplicy Ellen and my

1926
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Speaker 1: HR the HR solution for busy news talks.

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Speaker 2: It be news talks here be Well, this has been

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Speaker 2: a bit of a shock, got It's been a whole January,

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01:38:55,080 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 2: just sitting on beaches, heaven swims, going for long walks

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Speaker 2: looking it to strave a feed out from your things,

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Speaker 2: seeing how far you've walked and see if you're getting kudos,

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden I had to sit and think,

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Speaker 2: exhausting and guess what, I'm going to do it again tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So thank you so much for your company today. And Anthony, Yes, Andrew,

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Speaker 2: you're playing Walliam c By are you not?

1936
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:23,920
Speaker 10: By the village people? Inaugurations not far off, Andrew. I

1937
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,160
Speaker 10: think we're what twelve hours away in our least, So

1938
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 10: we've got to start getting into the mood of it.

1939
01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:29,960
Speaker 10: And this song is going to be played at least

1940
01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,599
Speaker 10: once during the inauguration, right the village people are performing,

1941
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 10: they'll do it.

1942
01:39:33,439 --> 01:39:36,200
Speaker 2: They've already done it. They they've performed at the pre inauguration.

1943
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I'm surely he'll play it as he wums

1944
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 10: on stage as well as going to be a stage

1945
01:39:40,479 --> 01:39:42,839
Speaker 10: inside and get ready, get get all warmed up, Laura's

1946
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,679
Speaker 10: doing the dance already, or she's doing the dance Trump

1947
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 10: was doing, which is nothing resembling the way of theater.

1948
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Speaker 2: But you just just visualize what everyone's enjoying, the degree

1949
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:57,599
Speaker 2: anger up and down and down in a syncopated rhythm.

1950
01:39:57,960 --> 01:40:00,360
Speaker 2: All right. Then the village people say they don't support

1951
01:40:00,360 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, but they support the song bringing people together.

1952
01:40:03,320 --> 01:40:05,799
Speaker 2: And we are having an inauguration tomorrow on a legally

1953
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:09,719
Speaker 2: elected president and next to have a bit of a party,

1954
01:40:09,800 --> 01:40:12,760
Speaker 2: shall we indoors, which is going to be helpful. No

1955
01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:14,560
Speaker 2: one's going to be complaining about the numbers.

1956
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