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Speaker 1: Party review in to Darlne Tana has been released and

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Speaker 1: not publicly. So that was a little teas for you,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it. Here? You all worth thinking that I was

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Speaker 1: going to give you all the dirty details, but I

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Speaker 1: don't have any because the report is still behind closed doors.

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Speaker 1: Tana has resigned as a member of the party and

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Speaker 1: the Greens leaders have asked her to resign as an MP.

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Speaker 1: But what are the chances of that actually happening? Johnny

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Speaker 1: men Now's political commentator and former ministerial advisor for the

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Speaker 1: National Party Morton Bridget Good.

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Speaker 2: Morning, Good morning.

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Speaker 1: What happens here? So she's quit the party, that's okay.

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Speaker 1: The Greens are done with her, but she's not planning

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Speaker 1: to stick around.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ultimately she has all the cards in her hands.

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Speaker 2: Unless you know, the Greens aside to do a backflip

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Speaker 2: on the walker jumping legislation and actually invoke that legislation,

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Speaker 2: she can just sit there basically as long as she wants.

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Speaker 1: And this is because the Greens, I mean, they spent

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Speaker 1: about the good part of twenty years opposing walker jumping,

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Speaker 1: so for them to go and walk a jump her

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Speaker 1: would be it would be pretty it would be pretty rough. Politically,

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Speaker 1: wouldn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean they did ultimately vote to get it

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Speaker 2: in term for it to become legislation under the Labor

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Speaker 2: Greens New Zealand First government because it was a bottom

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Speaker 2: line for New Zealand First, so they are responsible for

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Speaker 2: it being on the books at least in part. But

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Speaker 2: ultimately they've had chances to use it previously obviously last

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Speaker 2: year was Elizabeth Kitty Kitty, and they chose not to

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Speaker 2: because their Green membership is very anti using the walker

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Speaker 2: jumping legislation.

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Speaker 1: Which is weird because they don't why they do now

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Speaker 1: have constituency MPs, but it seems an obvious one to

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Speaker 1: use on a list MP, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Particularly a list MP who hasn't been in

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Speaker 2: Parliament for half of the time that they've been elected

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Speaker 2: for doesn't represent a constituency and there's no evidence that

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Speaker 2: she is undertaking any constituency work. So ultimately, what is

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Speaker 2: she being paid for, Particularly when the Greens could have

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Speaker 2: someone in there that is advocating on Green's issues.

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Speaker 1: Why are the Green so obsessed with that, with that

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Speaker 1: particular rocker jumping bill, Why do they not, like I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know you mentioned that that they had to swallow

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Speaker 1: the dead rat as James Shaw put it, and pass it.

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Speaker 1: But what exactly don't they like about it?

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Speaker 2: They believe it's undemocratic and then allows for parties to

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Speaker 2: have a hold over the MP. So it wouldn't allow

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Speaker 2: an MP perhaps to cross the floor. It would maybe

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Speaker 2: make the parties much more of a dictatorship. You know,

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Speaker 2: you think about how the Greens operate operates. They've got

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Speaker 2: co leadership. They're very much and taking votes and feedback

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Speaker 2: from their membership, as opposed to say, more hierarchical parties

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Speaker 2: like Labor National or you see at first.

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Speaker 1: It's almost a vote against or against the faith and

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Speaker 1: their leadership, the leadership with their party, because if their

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Speaker 1: party was you know, was following a good process and

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Speaker 1: adjust process, et cetera, then you wouldn't really care what

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Speaker 1: they did because you know, at least natural some form

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Speaker 1: of natural justice would have happened or occurred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but in the seventh Darling Tanna has said absolutely

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Speaker 2: natural justice hasn't occurred. She doesn't agree with the findings

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Speaker 2: of the report all the way. That's Wallbrook characterized them,

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Speaker 2: as she says in the press conference yesterday. So she

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Speaker 2: would say that natural justice hasn't been followed. Therefore she

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Speaker 2: has been pushed out.

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Speaker 1: Just before we go, what is natural justice? It's one

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Speaker 1: of those Is it just one of those buzzwords now

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Speaker 1: that we all say, you know, I haven't had my

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Speaker 1: natural justice? What is that like? Does that going to

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Speaker 1: court and sitting in front of a jury or what

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Speaker 1: do they mean?

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Speaker 2: I think it's often used as a bit of a buzzword,

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Speaker 2: but it does mean that people have the ability to

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Speaker 2: be have their views represented, have the belief, have their say,

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Speaker 2: have that play out, have the rules known to everyone,

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Speaker 2: have a clear set of rules so that everyone knows

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Speaker 2: what they're playing by. So you can see in the circumstance,

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Speaker 2: Darlinge may argue that she hasn't had natural justice because

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Speaker 2: perhaps she hadn't any control over that investigation or understanding

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Speaker 2: what was happening in that investigation.

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Speaker 1: Ridget, thanks very much for your time this morning. Really

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Bridget Morton with US political commentator and former

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