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Speaker 2: You, Good afternoon, Welcome to the show coming out today.

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Speaker 2: The Education Minister Erica Stanford on scrapping NCEEA and what

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Speaker 2: the kids will get instead. Jared Savage, our Herald reporter,

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Speaker 2: with the details on Jeva Mcskimmick's Egyptian objectionable pawn almost

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Speaker 2: kind of insane, and Nichola Willi's finance minister with us

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Speaker 2: after six Heather Duplicy Allen, Wheuz you can't accuse Erica

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Speaker 2: Stamford of mucking around, can you? NCIA is gone marks

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Speaker 2: out of one hundred to back grades from A to E,

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Speaker 2: A back needing to pass full subjects at least in

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Speaker 2: order to get the qualification is back. Now, how long

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Speaker 2: have we been talking about the need to do this,

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Speaker 2: About the fact that NCAA is rubbish, that it's being gained,

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Speaker 2: that it's not respected by employers, that it's not understood

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Speaker 2: by parents. How long have we talked about this? And

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Speaker 2: then within eighteen months of Erica Stanford taking over the

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Speaker 2: education portfolio, the changes are made. This is absolutely, by

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Speaker 2: the way, the right thing to do. Nowhere in none

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Speaker 2: of the assessments of what's happening at NCA level one,

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Speaker 2: two or three do you hear anyone say, hey, you

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Speaker 2: know what, this is a good system. It's always criticism.

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Speaker 2: The era I had a look at NCAA level one

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Speaker 2: last year. They found such big problems so that they

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Speaker 2: recommended getting rid of it. The NZQA last year found

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Speaker 2: only half of Year twelve students actually finished three full subjects.

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Speaker 2: They didn't even get to do three full subjects, still

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Speaker 2: somehow managed to pass the NCEEA. Nz CER found that

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Speaker 2: level more level anymore assessment was. The OECD two years

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Speaker 2: ago found what we always know is going on lately,

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Speaker 2: it now fall and below the OECD average. The NZQA

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Speaker 2: insights paper found a huge number of kids got level

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Speaker 2: three because it's easy, but ue the old equivalent couldn't

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Speaker 2: get it because it's not easy. Now none of this

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Speaker 2: is news to us, right. Some of these reports actually

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Speaker 2: date back to twenty eighteen, seven years ago. Yet NCEEA

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Speaker 2: hasn't been scrapped until now. Now this is brave, because

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Speaker 2: any change this beek is brave. But especially it's brave

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Speaker 2: right now at a time when secondary school teachers are

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Speaker 2: already dealing with a lot. They have a curriculum refresh

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Speaker 2: they've got this. They are busy, and they're about to

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Speaker 2: get busier. And while I feel for them, and I do,

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Speaker 2: our kids are too important and their education is too

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Speaker 3: Do for ce Ellen.

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Speaker 2: So Eric is going to be in the studio with

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Speaker 2: us after five. I want to hear what you think.

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Speaker 2: Nine two ninety two is the text number. Standard text

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Speaker 2: fees apply onto something else altogether. North Shore Hospital, this

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Speaker 2: place has now got a ward for people who shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be in hospital. These are people who should be going

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Speaker 2: but they can't. So the hospitals sent a set up

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Speaker 2: a twenty bed ward in May. Sarah Dalton is the

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Speaker 2: executive director of the Association of Salaried Medical Specialists and

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Speaker 4: Sarah, hey, hether, how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm very well, thank you. Why have these people got

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Speaker 2: nowhere to go.

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Speaker 4: It's a really good question, isn't it. But I think

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Speaker 4: You know, they're a big part of the health package.

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Speaker 4: We shouldn't just think about hospitals when we think about

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Speaker 2: And are these people unable to go there because they

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Speaker 4: Look, I don't know about the details of the exact,

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Speaker 4: There isn't public aged residential care in place. I mean

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Speaker 2: Oh why because not enough funding?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely. And of course it's more expensive to keep

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Speaker 2: Now in some cases, these people need rehab apparently and

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Speaker 4: Also, if you've been in hospital, in a hospital bid

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Speaker 4: occupational therapy, it's physiotherapy. It's making sure you can safely

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Speaker 4: doing the exercises that you need to do if you've

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Speaker 2: Now, the problem is this has obviously only been around

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think it's also ironic that I believe

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Speaker 4: holistically at our health system. These people won't be captured

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford. Don't you come in and change things up?

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Speaker 4: Well, we absolutely need to have some better conversations and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sarah, thanks very much, appreciate it. Sarah Doulton of

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Speaker 2: Salary Medical Specialists, Executive Director. She won't, she won't going

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Speaker 2: And I'll come back to that and just attack. Actually

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Speaker 2: it's funny that you should ask that, but I'll come

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Speaker 2: know about. This is serious, that prominent New Zealand has

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Speaker 2: just been unmasked today. It's Steven mcskimming, who is facing

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Speaker 2: Jason pine Sports hosters with us at Piney. Hello, Heather,

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Speaker 2: all right, you got the All Black squad for the

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Speaker 2: Rugby Championship. What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I like it.

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Speaker 7: So income Finlay Christy we know about him, experienced player.

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Speaker 7: He's a big, raw boned, loose forward out of Northland

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Speaker 2: All right, what about the Warriors?

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Speaker 7: What about the Warriors. I'm looking at the table. They're fourth,

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Speaker 7: They've been in the top four since round six. We're

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Speaker 7: Canterbury that's Cannaby Bulldogs Country, of course, they would fall

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Speaker 2: So I watched most of the game and then I

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Speaker 2: Oh no, And I thought to myself as I headed off,

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Speaker 2: It was just that it wasn't convincing, was it.

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Speaker 3: That'd be Heather.

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Speaker 3: Fifty exkive what pudding? The challenging questions to the people.

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Speaker 1: At the heart of the story, it's hither duplicy Ellen

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Speaker 3: It's the world wires on News Talks, Eddy Drive.

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Speaker 2: The Palestinian Red Crescent has accused Israel of attacking its

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Speaker 2: And finally for Cow, the chocolate Labrador has come out

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Speaker 14: Of course, that's why they're over there, you know, that's

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Speaker 2: Worry about what's going on over there.

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Speaker 14: Here's another idea, like a bright spark. You can all

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Speaker 14: And you know Victoria is really becoming you know, the

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Speaker 14: going to be telling a private enterprise how they operate.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I look at the jobs that we all

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Speaker 2: do in the media. It takes about the media, but

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Speaker 2: look at the physios. Look at the people who.

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Speaker 14: Are building houses. They can't say no, I'm a brickie.

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Speaker 14: I'm going to work from home two days a week.

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Speaker 3: That house won't get built.

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Speaker 2: No exactly. I mean, they're going to have to be

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Speaker 2: so many carve outs, and I just wonder if that's

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Speaker 2: the savior here, is that they do so many exemptions

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Speaker 2: that actually any business can manage to get around it.

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Speaker 2: You'd have to have your fingers crossed for it. And

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Speaker 2: that is basically a hollow announcement. Listen, tell me what's

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Speaker 2: going on with the flooding in New South Wales.

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Speaker 14: Well, the Warrigamber Dam's about to burst, and unfortunately haven't

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Speaker 14: we heard that time and time again in recent years.

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Speaker 14: They've got to change something here though, because stored water

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Speaker 14: cannot be released. The Warrigamber Dam is operated as a

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Speaker 14: water security dam, so even if it's reaching capacity, they

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Speaker 14: can't get rid of it, which I just find bizarre.

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Speaker 14: Wouldn't you flush it away before you knew there was

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Speaker 14: going to be flooding. The real issue though, is we've

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Speaker 14: got places like Campsey Smith's Lake Armadale where they have

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Speaker 14: been already told to evacuate because of flooding, and we've

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Speaker 14: already got over fourteen thousand homes and businesses without power. Again,

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Speaker 14: it's unupport story we keep hearing about in northern New

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Speaker 14: South Wales just been inundated with rain for days and

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Speaker 14: days and days. This side of the country where I

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Speaker 14: am in Perth, we've had a lot of rain as well.

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Speaker 14: It is winter. It doesn't come as a surprise, but

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Speaker 14: you really feel for these communities which have been flat

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Speaker 14: affected almost on an annual basis. At the moment, Heather,

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Speaker 14: we hope everybody's okay.

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Speaker 2: Hey, listen, tell me about this foot and mouth vaccine.

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Speaker 4: Is this for real?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 14: It is for real and it's going to be developed

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Speaker 14: here in Australia's an mrina vaccine to protect our cows

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Speaker 14: against foot and mouth disease comes obviously after we have

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Speaker 14: enabled a change in the laws where we can import

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Speaker 14: American beef and then where some concerns over foot and

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Speaker 14: mouth disease. It's something that obviously Australia takes very seriously

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Speaker 14: on know New Zealand does too biosecurity measures in regards

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Speaker 14: to protecting particularly our agriculture industries. So this is going

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Speaker 14: to be developed locally in a new South Wales facility

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Speaker 14: and that'll hopefully be rolled out as soon as possible

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Speaker 14: to protect our cows from foot and mouth, which is a.

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Speaker 2: Good step in agriculture and biosecurity. You should use that

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Speaker 2: voice more often. I liked it. Hey, thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Olli Peterson six, pur Perth Life presenter. Hey,

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Speaker 2: can I tell you what I read about this center?

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Speaker 2: Allan announcement over the weekend. This is the one where

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Speaker 2: people can stay home work from I think she described

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Speaker 2: it as a right that you should be able to

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Speaker 2: work from home two days out of five, which is

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Speaker 2: completely nuts. And then she said, you know, all the

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Speaker 2: latest evidence suggests it's a good thing. We'll actually know

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Speaker 2: all the latest evidence is quite the contrary. But whatever

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Speaker 2: But the thing that really got my goat and gets

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Speaker 2: my goat every single time is when they say this,

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Speaker 2: the move could save the average worker so many dollars

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Speaker 2: a week, cut congestion on roads, and keep more women

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Speaker 2: in the workforce. Now, hang on a tack. Let's just

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Speaker 2: unpick this for as a woman, I object to this.

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Speaker 2: Let's unpick this for attack. Why are we making women

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Speaker 2: stay at home two days a week in order to

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Speaker 2: stay in the workforce, Because what Jacinta's doing is she's going, oh, listen,

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Speaker 2: we know it's the women at home who do the

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Speaker 2: dishes and do the laundry and vacuum and mop and

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Speaker 2: pack away everything and make the kids' beds, and you know, like,

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Speaker 2: well the list never ends, right, So what they're doing

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Speaker 2: is going, listen, if the women and the child care

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Speaker 2: and take the children to the doctor, I'm we just

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Speaker 2: go on, right. So what they're doing is they're saying,

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Speaker 2: let the women stay at home because then they can

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Speaker 2: do all of those things while also working. Actually, no,

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Speaker 2: that's not what I want for my life, thanks very much.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be doing that at home and

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Speaker 2: then also going to work. That's not fair. Well, it's

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Speaker 2: some trenching gender roles. There aren't they. So when they

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Speaker 2: tell you that they're all woky and stuff and trying

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Speaker 2: to fight for women, look at that just keeping the

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Speaker 2: women in the kitchen. There aren't they. Seventeen away from

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Speaker 2: five Politics with centrics Credit, check your customers and get payment.

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Speaker 2: Certady right, Barrisoper, Senior political correspondence with US Hey, Barry Afternoon.

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Speaker 2: Heather Erica sets Stamford smashing it out of the park.

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Speaker 2: I mean, she's not stopping.

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Speaker 10: This is a significant, certainly a significant change in education.

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Speaker 10: I mean, the last time there was one as big

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Speaker 10: as this was back in two thousand and two, which

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Speaker 10: was when they brought in the NCO and the minister

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Speaker 10: then was none other than our old favorite Treva Mallard

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Speaker 10: who played Barry Manilow to the protests down at Parliament

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Speaker 10: during COVID. So yeah, we can blame him for that,

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Speaker 10: along with a number of other things. But look, certainly

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Speaker 10: n CEA was indeterminate. For certainly, for employers didn't quite

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Speaker 10: understand the past passes that were given assessed and then

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Speaker 10: they could be traded off with other subjects.

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Speaker 2: To any parent or a lot of students. Most of

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Speaker 2: the honest students, and they will tell you the kids

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Speaker 2: are gaming it. They gamed it. Parents will tell you

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Speaker 2: how their children are gaming it. One of our colleagues

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Speaker 2: has a son who gamed it, so she pulled her

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Speaker 2: daughter out of and put her daughter in Cambridge.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, was up the daughter.

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Speaker 10: You know, this essentially is going back to what it

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Speaker 10: was in the olden days when I was at school

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Speaker 10: and we had school certificate and university entrance and you

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Speaker 10: know five subjects, you had past four. But it's exactly

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Speaker 10: the same as what you've got to do here. Get

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Speaker 10: at least fifty percent in each subject. At least you've

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Speaker 10: got a good yardstick for employers to look at and say,

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Speaker 10: have they got school? See, have they got yu wei?

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Speaker 10: What were their past marks? What were their strong points?

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Speaker 10: What were the weak points? You know, we can't have

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Speaker 10: this namby Pamby stand in education where you know, we

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Speaker 10: don't like winners and losers. We just like winners.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well we're just like a were just like people

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Speaker 2: who turn up apparently, Yeah, I see those complaints against

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Speaker 2: Ozzie Malcolm have been basically substantiated by the cop seven Babe.

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Speaker 10: Well, yes, these were allegations that were made between well,

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Speaker 10: they curved between allegedly between nineteen ninety two and twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 10: And I've got to say for people like me who

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Speaker 10: knew Ossy Malcolm very well when he was in parliament,

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Speaker 10: he was out of parliament nineteen eighty four with a

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Speaker 10: snap election. He was the immigration minister interestingly that allowed

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Speaker 10: the spring Box to come into this country. He issued

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Speaker 10: the visas and he was a big supporter of Rob Muldoon.

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Speaker 10: But look, he's an extraordinarily likable bloke. But clearly you

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Speaker 10: know this is a terrible cloud that now hangs over him.

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Speaker 10: He died last September and you know allegations then for

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Speaker 10: surfaced and now they've done a review of it and

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Speaker 10: released under the Official Information Act. We see that. Look,

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Speaker 10: these charges, if they were now looked at yet again,

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Speaker 10: would likely have stood up.

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Speaker 2: Hey is Winston Peters going to the Cox for the speech.

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Speaker 3: No he's not.

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Speaker 10: He was here today and this was sixty years today

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Speaker 10: since they signed off the free Association with the Cork Islands.

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Speaker 10: That's where Cork Islanders get New Zealand passports New Zealand citizenship.

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Speaker 10: So it was in nineteen sixty five that this was

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Speaker 10: signed off and Winston Peters was. You know, he's still

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Speaker 10: obviously annoyed at the Cox and their Prime minister for

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Speaker 10: doing that deal with China, because as part of the

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Speaker 10: Free Association agreement, the agreement is that they should consult

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Speaker 10: regularly with New Zealand on issues like this, and this

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Speaker 10: was a fairly comprehensive agreement that the Cork Islands made

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Speaker 10: with China. And we're still in the dark and Winston

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Speaker 10: Peters is withholding money from the Cork Islands and there's

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Speaker 10: no indication at the moment when that money will be restored.

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Speaker 10: But the Prime Minister there, Mark Brown, he's not telling

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Speaker 10: us anything. He hasn't made any public statement. So I

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Speaker 10: think whilst they're in that situation, there will be a

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Speaker 10: lot of Cork Islanders. I think that'll be quite upset

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Speaker 10: about this.

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Speaker 2: This plea to understand Chris Luxe's humanity sounds a little desperate,

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Speaker 2: doesn't it.

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Speaker 10: Well you know this, Sylvia Wood made it at the

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Speaker 10: party's annual conference over the weekend. Yeah, well, it's probably

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Speaker 10: her pointing out a side of Chris lux And that

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Speaker 10: a lot of people don't see. He's seen as a business.

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Speaker 2: Does that even mean his humanity?

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Speaker 10: What she's talking about clearly, is that we see that

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Speaker 10: the hard side of Chris Luxon and there is a

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Speaker 10: softer side.

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Speaker 2: Hard side, it's not hard enough. Well do you see

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Speaker 2: a wishy washy in the middle.

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Speaker 10: Well, no, some would say that. But look, I think

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Speaker 10: if you look at the A and Z chief economists,

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Speaker 10: the Group A and JED and Z chief economist Richard

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Speaker 10: yet Singer, he did a look at the New Zealand

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Speaker 10: economy and believes that we're even with that fifteen percent

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Speaker 10: terror from the United States, we will be looking much

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Speaker 10: better next year. And that'll be the hope, obviously of

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Speaker 10: Chris Luxon. The point that Sylvia Wood was making is

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Speaker 10: that look, look beyond what you see at the moment,

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Speaker 10: which is a hard line business sort of approach to politics,

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Speaker 10: and then you'll see another side and his popularity will increase.

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Speaker 10: And I actually happen to agree with her. I think

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Speaker 10: being Prime Minister in this period, in the last eighteen

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Speaker 10: months has been an appalling situation, very tough to be in,

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Speaker 10: and you know, I think, like you said, they should

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Speaker 10: have been tougher and they should have been in a

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Speaker 10: number of areas. But I think you're seeing, you know,

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Speaker 10: the point that you singer made was that in sorry

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Speaker 10: interest rates when they're low, they encourage business and they

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Speaker 10: put a new injection into the economy. And that's what

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Speaker 10: we hopefully will see the proceeds of next year.

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Speaker 2: Barry, thank you appreciate it. Barry Soper, senior political correspondent

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Speaker 2: here that my pick for the next National Party leader

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Speaker 2: is Chris Bishop. So Barry shaking his head. I just

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Speaker 2: want you to know Chris because he's just like, why

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Speaker 2: are people doing this to Chris Luxon, He's articulate, decisive, intelligent,

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Speaker 2: quick off the mark. Thank you for that. Eight Away

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Speaker 2: from five.

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Speaker 1: Putting the tough questions to the newspeakers, the mic asking breakfast.

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Speaker 16: Christmal Lection's Wether's fifteen percent. You've said on the show

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Speaker 16: a number of times we don't want to be materially

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Speaker 16: worse off than anyone else. Yep, you lose because you

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Speaker 16: are well.

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Speaker 11: We've got a new minimum standard for those countries that

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Speaker 11: are selling more than what they buy from.

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Speaker 16: The US said, you stand zero chance of getting the

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Speaker 16: suggusted in any ways.

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Speaker 11: You're right, yeah, think it's pretty unlikely. Present's pretty fixed

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Speaker 11: in his firm views.

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Speaker 16: So you are hand on heart telling us you could

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Speaker 16: have done nothing more.

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Speaker 11: I think we had very good engagement at official ministerial level.

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Speaker 11: This was a lump decision made pretty last minute. Or

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Speaker 11: countries with a deficit yet ten minimum, or countries with

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Speaker 11: a surplus get fifteen miniment.

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Speaker 16: Back tomorrow at six am the Mike Hosking Breakfast with

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Speaker 16: Mayley's Real Estate News Talk ZB.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if you have long suspected that you can get

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Speaker 2: ahead in the corporate world if you just kind of

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Speaker 2: use jargon and you know, have an awesome LinkedIn profile

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Speaker 2: and write really weird things on LinkedIn when you've had

655
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Speaker 2: maybe two glasses of red wine on a Friday night,

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Speaker 2: If you've always suspected that people get ahead by doing

657
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Speaker 2: these kinds of things. A couple of comedians in Australia

658
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Speaker 2: reckon you bang on, and so they've written a book

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Speaker 2: about it. Am I allowed to say that word on air?

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Speaker 2: Am I allowed to say?

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Speaker 8: We just have to warn people that if the kids

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Speaker 8: are listening, it might be a bit rude.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well then you had it. What you just said

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Speaker 2: went on the radio.

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Speaker 17: Ads.

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Speaker 2: I never really know if you're just talking to me

667
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Speaker 2: or to everyone else. Know that went on the rat

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Speaker 2: because you had your warning NOWDNA, it's called wang Konomics.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm asking that question because back when I was

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Speaker 2: very young, I was I was under strict instructions. I

671
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Speaker 2: was not allowed to say the W word on any

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Speaker 2: it was there. Did you know that it was the

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Speaker 2: worst word in the in all of broadcasting, the W word.

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Speaker 2: It was surprised me too. Anyway, how our standards have slipped. Hey,

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Speaker 2: so now I can say it anyway. So the book's

676
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Speaker 2: called Wangkconomics, So we'll have a chat to them about

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Speaker 2: quarter pass bo actually on the subject of that. On

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Speaker 2: the subject of that, do you remember the sea bomb

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Speaker 2: column where Andrea Vance called the female MPs, including Nikola

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Speaker 2: Willis and Brook van Velden, the sea bomb because she

681
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Speaker 2: was so cross with him over the pay equity thing. Well,

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Speaker 2: update on that is, it's totally fine that she did,

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Speaker 2: absolute no problem at all, said the media counsel. A

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Speaker 2: whole bunch of people really upset about it, because, I mean,

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Speaker 2: there are some of us who still thought that there

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Speaker 2: were standards in the media, and you just you couldn't

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Speaker 2: say words like the seat but like lowls. How naive

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Speaker 2: are we? So everybody who went and complained the Media Council.

689
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Speaker 2: They had various reasons for the complaints and stuff like that.

690
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Speaker 2: Media Council went through it went oh nah, nothing to say. No,

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Speaker 2: it's all right, guys, she's very cross, so you can

692
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Speaker 2: say what you like when you're very cross. Somebody argued

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Speaker 2: that it was gendered, because I mean, it quite clearly

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Speaker 2: is gendered. I mean you're talking about a woman's bits,

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Speaker 2: aren't you, and then you're calling a woman a woman.

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Speaker 2: We don't need to get into it for the kids

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Speaker 2: and stuff, but it's a gender well either, No, said

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Speaker 2: the Media Council is not gendered at all, because you

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Speaker 2: can call dudes the same. This is not yet whatever whatever.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I have?

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Speaker 3: This?

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Speaker 2: If you could see my fingers right now, I'm doing

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Speaker 2: the zero sign. That's how much respect I've got for

704
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Speaker 2: the Media Council because these guys just come up with

705
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Speaker 2: the weirdest decisions are and same with the BSA. They go, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: I really like it. I really like Andrea. No, she

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Speaker 2: kind of I like Andrea too. I think she's also

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Speaker 2: met a job, but I still have the ability to

709
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Speaker 2: go And that was out of line, mate, but not

710
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Speaker 2: the Media Council, going no, we love Andrea and now

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Speaker 2: she can use she can, she can she can because

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Speaker 2: she's seen you and she's really cross anyway or by

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Speaker 2: the way. And then the stuff stuff is because it's

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Speaker 2: one of their publications, has it all the hoster one

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Speaker 2: of them, I don't know, one of the websites has

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Speaker 2: it up on the on the homepage right now. And

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Speaker 2: the Headliners Media Council rejects complains about Sunday Star Times

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Speaker 2: girl Math column because that's what is that. We're calling

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Speaker 2: it the girl math column, now, are we anyway? Whatever?

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford's with us next on n CEAD.

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Speaker 1: Questions, Answers, facts, analysis, the Drive show you trust for

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Speaker 1: the full picture. Heather Dupasy on Drive with One New

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Speaker 1: Zealand let's get connected news talks.

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Speaker 2: That'd be hey, good afternoon. So n CEA is scrapped. Instead,

725
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Speaker 2: we're going back to marks out of ten grades from

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Speaker 2: ADE and students being required to take five subjects and

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Speaker 2: pass four of them if they want to get the achievement.

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Speaker 2: Erica Stanford is the Education Mini stand in studio with us.

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Speaker 15: Erica, Hello, Hey, great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me what's brought this on for you?

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Speaker 15: I always knew as a parent. Inherently there was something

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Speaker 15: not quite right about NCA, and then that data was

733
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Speaker 15: born out as the minister, I could see that too

734
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Speaker 15: many young people were scraping together random credits, not getting

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Speaker 15: deep subject learning. We just weren't setting our kids up

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Speaker 15: for success, and we need to be. We've got to

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Speaker 15: be aspirational for them. So we always knew that this

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Speaker 15: would we would need to do something relatively dressed up.

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Speaker 2: So what is it that is wrong with the NCA

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Speaker 2: that led us to that point.

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Speaker 15: There's a couple of things. One, there is no national

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Speaker 15: curriculum that we teach to. We teach to what's in

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Speaker 15: the standards, So essentially the qualification drives what's taught. That's

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Speaker 15: totally backwards. Nobody else does that. And then we don't

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Speaker 15: require a certain amount of learning in each subject area.

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Speaker 2: So basically what you're saying is, if you do maths,

747
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Speaker 2: you don't need to actually know all of these things.

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Speaker 2: We don't need.

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Speaker 15: You could pick one or two bits of the maths

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Speaker 15: and one or two bits of the English, and one

751
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Speaker 15: bit of geography and a unit standard filling in a form,

752
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Speaker 15: put it all together, and that's your qualification. There's no

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Speaker 15: deep learning in one subject area, which means it's not

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Speaker 15: consistent across the country and we.

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Speaker 2: Can't be sure you've learned everything you need to learn

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Speaker 2: that's exactly right, right, So which five subjects are these

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Speaker 2: kids going to pick from or pick.

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Speaker 15: We're working on the subjects at the moment, so that's

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Speaker 15: a separate path of work that we're doing. So we're

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Speaker 15: going through the subject areas where we're rewriting them all

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Speaker 15: the way up to year thirteen and just taking a

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Speaker 15: look at which ones that may be we don't need

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Speaker 15: anymore because not enough students are doing them, ones that

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Speaker 15: we can combine. But we're taking a look at that.

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Speaker 15: We're talking to the different setts.

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Speaker 2: So you remember back in the old days pre NCA,

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Speaker 2: you had to take you sort of had like your

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Speaker 2: class A subjects. You had to take some of those

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Speaker 2: and then you could buffer them up with some kind

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Speaker 2: of other ones that were less important. Are we still

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Speaker 2: going to do the same kind of thing.

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Speaker 15: We are saying in year eleven, in your foundational year

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Speaker 15: where you do that certificate, you will need to take

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Speaker 15: English and maths. Most schools do that already, but not all.

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Speaker 15: So we are saying, actually all schools need to do that.

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Speaker 15: Those are key foundational areas of learning, and then when

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Speaker 15: you go into year twelve, there'll be your normal range

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Speaker 15: of subjects that you can choose from. Again, that's a

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Speaker 15: workstream we're doing at the moment. It's very separate to

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Speaker 15: the actual curriculum and how we assess. How we assess,

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Speaker 15: and the curriculum is being set, and we'll have subject

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Speaker 15: areas that will come and go over time, but the

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Speaker 15: one thing that will remain constant is how we assess.

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Speaker 2: Ok, and how prescriptive are youre going to be about

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Speaker 2: what the kids are learning.

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Speaker 15: We will have a curriculum that goes all the way

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Speaker 15: up to year twelve, year thirteen, sorry, and it will

788
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Speaker 15: lay out what must be taught each year. But within

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Speaker 15: that there is flexibility. So for an English, for example,

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Speaker 15: we're not saying you must teach this book and this

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Speaker 15: text and this solid y and this. We're saying, you know, look,

792
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Speaker 15: you have to teach a Shakespeare teacher could choose us

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Speaker 15: on it a play. You have to teach a nineteenth

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Speaker 15: century text. You have to teach English a New Zealand writer.

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Speaker 15: They will be able to pack and choose the texts

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Speaker 15: that they use yeah, but the actual knowledge and skill

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Speaker 15: they build up will be prescribed in the curriculum, so

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Speaker 15: it's consistent.

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Speaker 2: You want to get this out by twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 15: We will have the draft curriculum out by the by

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Speaker 15: term four for up to year ten, and then early

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Speaker 15: next year it will be the full curriculum all the

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Speaker 15: way up to year thirteen. But we're carefully phasing this in.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's fast, isn't it.

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Speaker 15: We have been working at pace. Yeah, We've been looking

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Speaker 15: at the best curriculum from overseas. We've been writing with

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Speaker 15: local experts here as well and creating what I know

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Speaker 15: will be a world leading curriculum, and that's what we're

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Speaker 15: aiming for.

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Speaker 2: How's the teacher load? Have you heard back from them

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Speaker 2: that this is all too much?

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Speaker 15: Look, having a world leading curriculum and excellent qualifications and

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Speaker 15: teaching to those is a core part of the business

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Speaker 15: of the education sector. But I know very well that

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Speaker 15: they are there is a very heavy workload, So there

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Speaker 15: are a number of things we're doing to try and

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Speaker 15: lighten that. I've already said to NZQA want everything externally

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Speaker 15: marked by twenty twenty eight. I didn't say that this morning,

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Speaker 15: but in saying it reactively today to take that workload off,

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Speaker 15: so all the internals teachers won't.

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Speaker 2: Have to mark, so no more self marking.

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Speaker 15: Well, that's where we're trying to get to. There'll be

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Speaker 15: somewhere it's hard to get away from, like a performance,

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Speaker 15: music performance or a science experiment.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to ease the workload considerably. So it

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Speaker 2: imagine that puts a huge amount of pressure on them.

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Speaker 15: Absolutely will, and that'll be a game changer for them.

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Speaker 15: But also we are staging this over time, rolling it

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Speaker 15: out very carefully because I want parents to feel confident

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Speaker 15: that who are you. I've got Year eight students who

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Speaker 15: will be the first cohort through that. We are very

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Speaker 15: carefully thinking about how we roll this out, how we

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Speaker 15: give teachers plenty of time to learn the new curriculum,

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Speaker 15: the new qualification system, which is why it doesn't come

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Speaker 15: until twenty twenty eight. It sounds like a long way away.

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Speaker 2: Yep, it was really not, but it's really not.

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Speaker 17: Really.

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Speaker 15: It gives us time to do that implementation.

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Speaker 2: What do you say? I mean, I had a parent

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Speaker 2: text through before and say, Erica, what do you say

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Speaker 2: to kids who are doing NCEEA right now? And are

842
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Speaker 2: going to think, jeez, this is an utterly worthless thing.

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Speaker 15: Well, I've said quite a lot today. It's certainly not worthless.

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Speaker 15: And students who are going through NCA should feel very

845
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Speaker 15: proud of their achievements. My daughter is just finishing it.

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Speaker 15: My son is going to be doing it. He's the

847
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Speaker 15: last cohort. He's in year nine this year, so he

848
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Speaker 15: will be one of those students and he should feel

849
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Speaker 15: very proud of what he achieved. So hopefully if he

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Speaker 15: gets it.

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Speaker 2: Sure he will, it's easy, He'll be fine.

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Speaker 15: But look, it is still a good qualification. Many students

853
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 15: still go into top universities around the world. It needs

854
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 15: to be better and it needs to be more consistent

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Speaker 15: and we can aim to be more ambitious for our kids,

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Speaker 15: and that's what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 2: You did you at any point think why don't we

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Speaker 2: just go with Cambridge or or ib.

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Speaker 15: Well, we want something that's New Zealand that we can

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Speaker 15: stand behind. And by the way we are looking.

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Speaker 2: Why do we That's like what I mean, that's that's silly,

862
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: right to do our own thing.

863
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,520
Speaker 15: Because we can be we can be the best. Because

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Speaker 15: if you go to Cambridge, there are things that aren't

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Speaker 15: perfect about that, but IB there is my kids could

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Speaker 15: choose to do IB. They're not a number of reasons.

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Speaker 15: We want to take what's the best bits of everything

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Speaker 15: from around the world. And believe me, we are looking

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Speaker 15: all around the world at what works and what is

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Speaker 15: best and what is doing well and bringing it here

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Speaker 15: and creating what will be the best curriculum I believe

872
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Speaker 15: in the world. And if you look at our primary

873
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Speaker 15: English and mass curriculum already, people are saying that it

874
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Speaker 15: is world leading. I'm very proud of that, and that's

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Speaker 15: what we want all the way out.

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Speaker 2: Eric, I haven't got a lot of time, but you

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Speaker 2: listen to the show, so you'll know that I've been

878
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Speaker 2: calling you the MVP for the longest time. Right, I'm

879
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Speaker 2: not blowing smoke and I mean it. But why is

880
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Speaker 2: it that you are able to get this much done

881
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Speaker 2: in eighteen months and other guys in their portfolios arelaughing around.

882
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Speaker 15: Well, I think everyone's working really hard. I mean, look

883
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Speaker 15: at the word I'm shaving so much Brown and Nikola

884
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Speaker 15: willis the secrets to all of our success is that

885
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Speaker 15: we spend time and opposition thinking about this. I had

886
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Speaker 15: my sex point plan ready to go. We hit the

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Speaker 15: ground running. We'd had a property thing that fell in there.

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Speaker 15: It's my seventh part of my plan. I wasn't expecting,

889
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Speaker 15: but I knew exactly what we needed to do. I

890
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Speaker 15: did all the research in our position around structured literacy,

891
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Speaker 15: structured mass ex PLUSIT, teaching the reading was and what

892
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Speaker 15: was wrong with our qualification. I knew exactly what we

893
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Speaker 15: needed to do. We've been moving with clarity and pace

894
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Speaker 15: for the last eighteen months and there is more to come.

895
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Speaker 15: Next year we'll be doing twice yearly assessments so parents

896
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Speaker 15: will know how their children are going.

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Speaker 2: Erica, thank you for coming in. I really appreciate your time.

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Speaker 2: That's Erica stand for the Education Minister. Fourteen past five

899
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Speaker 2: hever do fore so we can now name the prominent

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Speaker 2: New Zealander facing serious charges and court it as deputy

901
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Speaker 2: former Deputy Police Commissioner Jim mcskimming. He's facing charges of

902
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Speaker 2: possessing objectionabable, objectionable material, good designing to go and study again,

903
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Speaker 2: including child exploitation material and unfortunately best regality. Jared Savage

904
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Speaker 2: is an investigative reporter at the Herald High Jarrett Hi Heather.

905
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Speaker 2: Jared is this content that he got through his work

906
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Speaker 2: in the police or is this stuff that he just

907
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Speaker 2: got from the internet as a civilian.

908
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Speaker 17: I don't know there are to connectier, but I would

909
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Speaker 17: say that I strongly doubt whether the police would have

910
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Speaker 17: laid such serious charges against the former Deputy commissioner if

911
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Speaker 17: it was something that he had been looking at as

912
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Speaker 17: part of his duties as a police officer. So there's

913
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Speaker 17: a lot more to play out with us in the

914
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Speaker 17: court process. Is going to be pretty careful about the dellegations,

915
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Speaker 17: but I would suspect that if that's a defense to

916
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Speaker 17: be raised, that will come later at trial.

917
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Speaker 2: Right, And was this found because police were looking for

918
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Speaker 2: the stuff or did they just stumble it across across

919
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Speaker 2: it when they were investigating the separate staff related complaint

920
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Speaker 2: which came first.

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Speaker 17: So yeah, you're right, there's a separate complaint that the

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Speaker 17: police were investigating late last year with the Independent Police

923
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Speaker 17: Conduct Authority. My understanding is a part of that inquiry,

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Speaker 17: and we can't get into the details of that for

925
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Speaker 17: other reasons, but as part of that, they have had

926
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Speaker 17: such once of his group devices and allegedly found this

927
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Speaker 17: objectional material on his computer that led to a separate

928
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Speaker 17: a separate police investigation, and it was at that point

929
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Speaker 17: where you know, the police Minister Mark Mitchell was, you know,

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Speaker 17: sort of given this maturity. Look, we found an issue

931
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Speaker 17: here separate to the original complaint and that's read the

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Speaker 17: mixed skimming resigning in May.

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Speaker 2: I think, And why did he allow his name suppression

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Speaker 2: to lapse today?

935
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Speaker 17: I'm not sure what and he allowed it to lapse,

936
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Speaker 17: but it's sort of one of those things where this

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Speaker 17: actually is quite hard to keep name supression ongoing for

938
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Speaker 17: for a long time unless there are very good reasons

939
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Speaker 17: for it. That the threshold can be quite high the media.

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Speaker 17: So the herodingsed Me staff are in zenith coming banding

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Speaker 17: together and sort of finding the suppression aspect of it earlier.

942
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Speaker 17: And I think given the significant public interest in this,

943
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Speaker 17: I think it would have been very hard we're judged

944
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Speaker 17: to sort of maintain the status qual ready.

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Speaker 2: And so what's the maximum sentence he faces here if

946
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Speaker 2: he was to be found guilty.

947
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Speaker 17: I hope people was to be found guilty though maximum

948
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Speaker 17: sentence is ten years in prison or of fifty thousand

949
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Speaker 17: dollars fine. But that's the viye, that's the very maximum

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Speaker 17: end of it.

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Speaker 2: Brilliant. Hey, thank you for running us through that. Jared

952
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Speaker 2: appreciated that. It's Jared Savage, the Herald's investigative reporter here

953
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Speaker 2: the Thank goodness, the government's seen the light and change

954
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Speaker 2: the NCAA back to a real qualification that everyone can

955
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Speaker 2: understand no more, woke cotton woodl Education seventeen past five.

956
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Speaker 2: Just to reminder that Nikola Willis is going to be

957
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Speaker 2: with us after six o'clock. We're going to ask you

958
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Speaker 2: about this trade situation and five twenty At the moment.

959
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Speaker 2: On the trade situation, the Prime Minister reckons it's unlikely

960
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Speaker 2: We're going to be able to change Donald Trump's mind

961
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Speaker 2: on the higher tariff that he slapped on New Zealand

962
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Speaker 2: came in at fifteen percent when Australia got slapped with

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Speaker 2: ten percent. Felicity Roxburgh as the director of the International

964
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Speaker 2: Business Forum and with us, Hey, Felicity, hi there, do

965
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Speaker 2: you agree with the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 18: Well, we believe that it's worth. We welcome the decision

967
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Speaker 18: to go to Washington to press our case, to put

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Speaker 18: the word that we have a balanced trade profile with

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Speaker 18: the US and that we've sort of been hopefully inadvertently

970
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Speaker 18: caught up in the Trump tariff net.

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Speaker 2: Do you think there we'll be able to change Trump's mind.

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Speaker 18: It's it's going to be difficult. I think it's going

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Speaker 18: to be difficult.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, let's be honest about it, felicity, so

975
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Speaker 2: we can stop getting our hopes up. Okay, So it's

976
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Speaker 2: unlikely to happen even if we did the things that

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Speaker 2: they would want, right, even if we removed all the

978
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Speaker 2: tariffs that we slap on their staff, looked at the

979
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Speaker 2: biosecurity regime on US imports, maybe bought some Boeings quicker,

980
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Speaker 2: so we could kind of you know, change the trade,

981
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Speaker 2: the balance of trade, even all of that stuff. They

982
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Speaker 2: still wouldn't budge.

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Speaker 18: Well, it's still we do believe it's still worth making

984
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Speaker 18: an attempt to go and talk to them. I mean

985
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Speaker 18: what the other thing to remember is that you know

986
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Speaker 18: that we have supported more or less the government's approach

987
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Speaker 18: up until now because it was a lot of downside

988
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Speaker 18: risk as well to negotiating. You know, it's very unpredictable

989
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Speaker 18: the situation, and if we'd go on there and made

990
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Speaker 18: a big noise, then we could have ended up in

991
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Speaker 18: some conversations that we didn't want to be in and

992
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Speaker 18: also you know ten percenters. There's a very long queue

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Speaker 18: of the ten percent club, so we probably were at

994
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Speaker 18: the end of it. So, you know, the businesses aspectually,

995
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Speaker 18: they understood and accepted the government's kind of head down

996
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Speaker 18: ears open.

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Speaker 2: The conversations that we might have ended up in that

998
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Speaker 2: we didn't want to end up in. Are they China?

999
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Speaker 18: Not necessarily? I mean there's also the pharmac piece that's

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Speaker 18: been you know, a difficulty for the government. The US

1001
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Speaker 18: doesn't like our sort of single buyer model. We do

1002
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Speaker 18: have defensive interests as well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Felicity, it's wonderful to talk to you. Thanks for

1004
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Speaker 2: your expertise. That's Felicity Rocksbury, director of the International Business Forum.

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00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 2: We'll come back to why I asked about China, and

1006
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Speaker 2: just to take five twenty two.

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Speaker 3: Checking good point of the story.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand let's

1009
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Speaker 1: get connected and news dogs.

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Speaker 3: They'd be.

1011
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Speaker 2: Five twenty four. Well, I can't imagine that too many

1012
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: people are going to hate the idea of charging the

1013
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 2: tourists to visit Cathedral Cove, are they? I mean, this

1014
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Speaker 2: is probably going to be incredibly popular. This thing that

1015
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Speaker 2: was announced over the weekend, and it should be and

1016
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Speaker 2: it should be popular for not just Cathedral Cove, but

1017
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Speaker 2: also for the tong that dead are crossing Milford Sound,

1018
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Speaker 2: al Raqui Mount Cook because we all know, don't we,

1019
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Speaker 2: that we are not getting the maximum dollar out of

1020
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Speaker 2: our great outdoors. I mean, this is why the tourists

1021
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: come to our country, right. They don't come here for

1022
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: the night life. They don't come here for the cuisine

1023
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: or our awesome amusement parks or our shopping. They come

1024
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Speaker 2: here because of our outdoors, our views and our walks.

1025
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Speaker 2: They are incredible. They're better than in a lot of

1026
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Speaker 2: places in the world. We do not and we also

1027
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: know this, We do not make nearly enough money out

1028
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: of those views and those walks. Once the people get here,

1029
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Speaker 2: they mostly do all of it for free, don't they. Probably?

1030
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Speaker 2: I would say probably, even if we're charging them twenty

1031
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: to forty New Zealand dollars, what's that like around about

1032
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 2: ten to something New Zealand American dollars, Not a lot

1033
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: of money. Probably at that we're completely under charging them anyway,

1034
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Speaker 2: So this is a no brainer, and I don't think

1035
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Speaker 2: we should limit limit it to these full spots. I

1036
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Speaker 2: think we need to roll it out absolutely everywhere where

1037
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: the tourists flock. But here's the wrinkle. Great idea, which

1038
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Speaker 2: is why we've talked about it for such a long time,

1039
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 2: But how do you do it? Which is why we've

1040
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: never done it because think of, for example, Cathedral Cove.

1041
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 2: I mean, sure, you can fix it in one spot.

1042
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 2: You chuck a guy in a booth at the top there,

1043
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 2: make the tourists pay when they can't produce proof that

1044
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 2: they live here. But then what about the people who

1045
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 2: come into the cove on the boats because there are

1046
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 2: a lot of them, right, how do you charge them?

1047
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: Do you ask the boat operators to charge a little

1048
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 2: bit more and then pass it on to the government.

1049
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: What if they don't want to do it because it

1050
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: lifts their overall charge and then makes the tourists drop off.

1051
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 2: Do you then have a guy patrolling the beach asking

1052
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 2: everybody do you have a proof that you have a

1053
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 2: little ticket to show that you're supposed to be here.

1054
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 2: It gets a lot more tricky when you think about

1055
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 2: the actual practicalities of it. What about torgut edor yeah,

1056
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Speaker 2: there's one or two, there's two may points and that

1057
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 2: track actually has a lot of points where you can

1058
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 2: just jump on if you want to come in from

1059
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 2: the side, don't pay your bill? How do you do that?

1060
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 2: Then the devil is in the detail here, and that

1061
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 2: is why we never have done it. And that is

1062
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,359
Speaker 2: what is missing from that announcement at the weekend. If

1063
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 2: they can figure that out, and you know, I wait

1064
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 2: to see if they can then and only then they're

1065
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Speaker 2: onto a no brainer here.

1066
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Speaker 3: Heather, do for see Ellen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So why I was going to talk to you

1068
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: about China. So I called a trade negotiated today and

1069
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: I said to them, okay, listen, what do we How

1070
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Speaker 2: can we get Trump to back down on the fifteen

1071
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: percent down to the ten percent? And he and literally

1072
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: everybody else we've spoken to agrees with the Prime Minister.

1073
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 2: It's probably not going to happen. We're probably stuck with

1074
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: the fifteen percent. We could maybe if we wanted to,

1075
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 2: and here's the thing, if we really wanted to, we

1076
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 2: could have gone hard and gone in there with some offers, right,

1077
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 2: and then maybe it would have changed things. So we

1078
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 2: could have taken the tariffs of all the things that

1079
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 2: we put tariffs on it, we put tariffs on us

1080
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 2: shoes and stuff like that could have whipped them off.

1081
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: Could have promised to look at the biosecurity regime on

1082
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: some of their imports because they hate that, they hate

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Speaker 2: what they have to do here. Could offer to bring

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Speaker 2: forward some of the purchases of the Boeings out of

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Speaker 2: this country. But then what if they start asking us

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Speaker 2: to do things on China? And that's basically where negotiators got.

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Speaker 2: They were like, too much risk, don't do it. Headline's next.

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Speaker 3: After making the news, the news makers talk to Heather first.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather Duplicy Ellen drive with one New Zealand, let's

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Speaker 1: get connected and news talks.

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Speaker 19: They'd be what is a fill?

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Speaker 16: What is a fill?

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Speaker 2: Heather? Trying to figure this stuff out as exactly the

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Speaker 2: opposite of a no brainer, which actually, do you know

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Speaker 2: what is a very fair point that you make. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for that. It is not a no brainer. It's

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Speaker 2: something I'd like to do, but I'll leave it to

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Speaker 2: Toma Porultacker to figure out exactly how, and if he does,

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Speaker 2: he'll be the first minister and a long line of

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Speaker 2: ministers who thought about this, who can actually crack it anyway.

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Speaker 2: The Huddles standing by Nikola Willis is going to be

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Speaker 2: with us after six o'clock. It's twenty four away from six. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you work in a white collar workplace, the chances

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Speaker 2: are that you have put up with more than your

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00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 2: fair share of corporate Oh yes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: The meetings that could have been emails, the stupid acronyms,

1107
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Speaker 2: the mission statements, the LinkedIn. A couple of Ossie comedians

1108
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Speaker 2: have put together a highly tongue in cheek guide on

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Speaker 2: how to navigate modern office culture. Kids warning. It's called Wankanomics.

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Speaker 2: The book. One of the authors is James Schleffel. Hi, James, Hi,

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Speaker 2: how are you well? Thank you very much. So is

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Speaker 2: the idea here that you can basically rise through the

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Speaker 2: corporate world just by using stupid acronyms and jargon and

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00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:27,960
Speaker 2: looking like you know what you're doing.

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Speaker 19: Well, it's actually the only way that you can rise

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Speaker 19: through the corporate ranks, because look, it doesn't matter how

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Speaker 19: smart you are, Like you could have a PhD in

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Speaker 19: theoretical chemistry, but you're just not going to be matched

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00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 19: to the person in middle management who has an omniir

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Speaker 19: channel thought leadership adiation solution that is going to cascade

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Speaker 19: to SLT for feedback. So this kind of language is

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Speaker 19: the key to surviving, if not thriving, in the corporate environment.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you sound like you know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Is this based on some real world experience or just

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Speaker 2: you've been not observing this?

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Speaker 19: It is based in real world experience. I did work

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Speaker 19: in the corporate world for a long long time, and look,

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Speaker 19: in many ways, Wanconomics is a bit of a therapy

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Speaker 19: session for me. It's a way for me to work

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Speaker 19: through the issues that I've built up over the years.

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Speaker 19: But I think also too, it's a way for other

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Speaker 19: people to have that therapy session too. It is quite cathartic.

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Speaker 19: I think reading this book, what is.

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Speaker 2: The evil role that LinkedIn plays here?

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Speaker 20: Well?

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Speaker 19: Look, LinkedIn is a funny place, isn't It's actually my

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Speaker 19: favorite social media platform because it's this weird place where

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Speaker 19: everyone is inexplicably excited about everything, Like you know what

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Speaker 19: I mean, Like, it doesn't matter how mundane someone's day

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Speaker 19: has been, they will talk about their little achievements at work,

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Speaker 19: as with the excitement levels that they would usually only

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Speaker 19: muster when they're on class A drugs. So you know,

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Speaker 19: even if you've just finished a report, you've sent out

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Speaker 19: a document. You need to be thrilled or excited or

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Speaker 19: ecstatic about it. That's what LinkedIn is. It's a funny place.

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Speaker 2: It feels to me like it's a very exclusive club

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Speaker 2: of people. I mean, even though it's very accessible, it's

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Speaker 2: a very exclusive club of people, or at least they

1149
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: like to think they're exclusive and special for using LinkedIn,

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Speaker 2: don't they.

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Speaker 19: Well, you've got to make yourself sounds special. But that's

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Speaker 19: the key to it. So look, you would never say

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Speaker 19: something like on LinkedIn that you maybe worked in a

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Speaker 19: bar when you were at university. You would say that

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Speaker 19: you managed a portfolio of liquid assets. You know, that's

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00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 19: the kind of that's the kind of wankery you need

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Speaker 19: on LinkedIn to give those kind of minor accomplishments, give

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Speaker 19: them a bit of a bit of a push, make

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Speaker 19: them sound like they's something special.

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Speaker 2: So what's the proportion do you reckon of, as you

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Speaker 2: call it, whankory? What proportion of whankory versus actual ability

1162
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Speaker 2: do you need in order to succeed?

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Speaker 19: Well, here's the funny thing, right, So we've done some research, sorry,

1164
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Speaker 19: we've made up some research that has shown that there's

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Speaker 19: about twenty percent of people in any given workplace that

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Speaker 19: have absolutely no idea what they're doing, totally out of

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Speaker 19: their depth. And we've all seen these people. They're usually

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Speaker 19: in senior management positions, and so they will use these

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Speaker 19: long winded words, overly complex sentences to give the impression

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Speaker 19: that they know what they're doing, because like instead of

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Speaker 19: saying I'm incompetent, you would say something like there are

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Speaker 19: a lot of moving parts, and then all of a

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Speaker 19: sudden everyone thinks that you're very, very clever. The problem is, though,

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Speaker 19: the language of that twenty percent then very quickly spreads

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Speaker 19: to the other eighty percent, a bit like how a

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Speaker 19: virus spreads. I mean, it's incredibly infectious because you could

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Speaker 19: have someone saying a phrase like circle back at the

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Speaker 19: start of a meeting, and by the end of the meeting,

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Speaker 19: the three or four people are saying circle back, and

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Speaker 19: then by the end of the week, the entire office

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Speaker 19: is speaking like that. So it spreads incredibly quickly, and

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Speaker 19: unfortunately there's no vaccine for it.

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Speaker 2: James, thank you very much, appreciate your time, very very much,

1184
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 2: and your mutual hatred. Of our mutual hatred, I suppose

1185
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: of Lincoln, James Schleffel, who was one of the authors

1186
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Speaker 2: of Wangconomics. If you want to get it, you could

1187
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Speaker 2: just go to the website wanconomics dot com and it'll

1188
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Speaker 2: tell you where.

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Speaker 2: of Sheerson, Willis pr and Joe Spigani, CEO of child Found.

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Speaker 2: Hello you too, Hello, Hello, You were giggling all the

1194
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Speaker 2: way through that trash. Did this just remind you of

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00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: your day job? Oh? I just I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 6: And what I'm worried about now is am I going

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Speaker 6: to be consigned to the bill the bin of corporate wankery?

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Speaker 6: Because I am quite a big LinkedIn user and quite

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Speaker 6: a big proponent of Linklin.

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Speaker 2: What's the value of Lincoln?

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Speaker 17: So tell it?

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Speaker 6: Well, let me tell you my journey, which is another

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Speaker 6: terrible corporate Back in the day, I was one of

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Speaker 6: those people. I actually called LinkedIn Facebook for accountants and

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Speaker 6: I laughed, laughed in its face, ha ha LinkedIn. But

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Speaker 6: what I have actually found is that LinkedIn now it's

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Speaker 6: gone from the place where everyone's just saying I'm proud

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Speaker 6: to or whatever. It's an incredible place for learning. If

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Speaker 6: you want to learn about AI and you go on

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Speaker 6: to LinkedIn and you follow the right people, amazing learning

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Speaker 6: it is at it's heart.

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Speaker 15: LinkedIn is an educational tool. That's what it was formed for.

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Speaker 6: And I think there's been a huge maturity in the users.

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Speaker 6: As someone who works in communications, I have never had

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Speaker 6: such a data rich, a real time analytical tool for clients.

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Speaker 15: It is actually fantastic.

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Speaker 5: So there we go.

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Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm, I'm admits. I think we've I

1219
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Speaker 2: think we've got the cut of herd job.

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Speaker 17: Now haven't we?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 21: I can't stand LinkedIn, honestly, I get any more alerts

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Speaker 21: about people's skills, people's new jobs anniversaries, new job anniversaries,

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Speaker 21: and so I've banned meetings in our organization. You can

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Speaker 21: have them, but you've got to stand up so that

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Speaker 21: it last too long.

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Speaker 4: But the serious ways of pushing.

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Speaker 21: Back on this virus, as James the author called it,

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Speaker 21: I mean it's things like powerpoints, isn't it. We all

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Speaker 21: know that most people do really stupid, shitty powerpoints with

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Speaker 21: way too many words on them, and they always go,

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Speaker 21: I don't expect you to read this, but I'm just

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Speaker 21: going to talk to it. Well, why did you put

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Speaker 21: it up there if we can't read it? So what

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Speaker 21: happens is everybody starts to think that it's actually like

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Speaker 21: a secret handshake. You have to talk in this jargon

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Speaker 21: rich language and you have to do a really bad

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Speaker 21: PowerPoint with thousands of words on one slide and font

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Speaker 21: nine in order to sort of look like you know

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Speaker 21: what you're talking about it. So it's going to Honestly,

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Speaker 21: there's a pushback on this. And I work in development

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Speaker 21: and aid and development. There are so much jargony words

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Speaker 21: in that, like we talk about sustainable livelihoods when we

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00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 21: actually just mean jobs, And why we can't just like

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Speaker 21: talk like humans.

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Speaker 17: I don't know.

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Speaker 21: So no, I think this is wonderful. I absolutely love

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Speaker 21: it because we have to push back on and we're

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Speaker 21: going to talk about education. I've heard somebody in this

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Speaker 21: kind of you know, public sector corporate language stuff talk

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Speaker 21: about scaffolding of the scusters of loving to describe a teacher,

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Speaker 21: and it's like, the hell are you talking about?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: They just teachers. Thank you, Thank you for pointing out

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Speaker 2: some home truths that Josie, right, Trisha, I do want

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Speaker 2: to talk about education, but let's talk about the tariff's

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Speaker 2: revery quickly. It doesn't sound to me like there's any

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Speaker 2: chance we're going to get Trump to go go, you know,

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Speaker 2: to go from fifteen down to ten percent? Does it

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Speaker 2: you no chance at all?

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Speaker 6: No, that that ship has sailed. And remember, I think

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Speaker 6: we had this conversation a couple of weeks ago. If

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Speaker 6: you think about if Ozzie's got ten percent tariff and

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Speaker 6: we've got fifteen, effectively we've got five percent over them.

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Speaker 6: So it's not great for New Zealand. But I don't

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Speaker 6: think it's a surprise that it was coming, and I

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Speaker 6: think probably the government thought it was inevitable, like they

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Speaker 6: really sort of stood back and kind of let it,

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Speaker 6: let it have role. I don't think it's great for

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Speaker 6: the government in terms of domestic politics at the moment.

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Speaker 6: If you looked at the Columbus over the weekend this,

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Speaker 6: you know they were sort of characterizing this as a

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Speaker 6: government caught on the back foot, not really knowing again

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Speaker 6: what they were what they were doing. So I don't

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Speaker 6: think that's great, and I just think overall, again it's

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Speaker 6: not good for sort of business sentiment and confidence at

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Speaker 6: the moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. What do you think, Josie, I think this.

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Speaker 21: Is going to really hurt us, and I don't think

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Speaker 21: we've quite grasped how much you take just one sector

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Speaker 21: like wyn exporters. They have said that their profits will

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Speaker 21: be halved by this because of this tariff going from

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Speaker 21: ten to fifteen percent. And I wrote about this last

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Speaker 21: year before the US election, and we now have let's

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Speaker 21: just be realistic, we have a higher tariff than Russia.

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Speaker 21: In other words, we're being treated worse than Russia. And

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Speaker 21: I think we do have some negotiating power. So they

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Speaker 21: announced this higher fifteen per cent tariff the day after

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Speaker 21: the FBI office was announced that we're having a new Zealand.

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Speaker 21: I think they can say, until you treat us better

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Speaker 21: than Russia, we're not having your FBI off, you know what.

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Speaker 9: I think.

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Speaker 2: We know we've got a little bit of a little

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Speaker 2: bit of leverage, but we were too scared to use

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Speaker 2: it in case more stuff came at us. But we'll

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Speaker 2: talk to Nichola Willis about it when she's with us.

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Speaker 2: After sex, we take a break.

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Speaker 1: It's called it two the huddle with New Zealand Southeby's

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Speaker 1: International Realty, the ones for unmatched results.

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Speaker 2: Right, you're back with the huddle. We've got Joe SPEGANI

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Speaker 2: and Tricious and so Josie. What do you think of

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Speaker 2: getting rid of NCEA.

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Speaker 21: The right thing to do. I mean, this is potentially

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Speaker 21: the most transformational thing the government has done so far,

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Speaker 21: and I think whatever your political persuasions, they deserve credit

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Speaker 21: for it. And they've done it sooner than I thought.

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Speaker 21: And I think the opposition I saw Willow Jene Prime

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Speaker 21: from Labor, you know, accusing Erica Stanford of rushing changes

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Speaker 21: through now for political expediency. Well, getting things done really

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Speaker 21: quickly when you can see the obvious fault is actually

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Speaker 21: a really good thing. And I think it would be

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Speaker 21: better if labor kind of got behind this because Eric's

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Speaker 21: Stanford has done this with a panel of principles. She

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Speaker 21: hasn't just kind of waded in and gone right, national government,

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Speaker 21: we're a lunatic government. We're going to make these changes.

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Speaker 21: She's actually done it with the sector as much as

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Speaker 21: possible onside. And I do think the media, you know,

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Speaker 21: not said b I have to say, but a lot

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Speaker 21: of the media we've spent so much time talking about

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Speaker 21: school lunches. I mean, there are hundreds of stories on

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Speaker 21: Blimen's school lunches that we've ignored. You know what is

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Speaker 21: really a rapid decline over the last ten years and standards,

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Speaker 21: and it's the poorest kids that have been impacted. So no,

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Speaker 21: this is I think this is a really good thing.

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Speaker 21: People are saying devil's in the detail. Well it always is,

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Speaker 21: really And I just think the fact we know the

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Speaker 21: NCA hasn't worked as a parent, I've never understood it.

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Speaker 21: My eldest boy got a whole bunch of credits and

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Speaker 21: excellence for being top of his class for coming up

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Speaker 21: with the most words for penis and vagina, So you go,

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Speaker 21: what the hell is it?

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Speaker 3: For real?

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Speaker 2: Wow, it's for real.

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Speaker 21: Yes, this is years ago, but that's you know, the

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Speaker 21: kind of things that they were doing.

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Speaker 4: Were you thinking?

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Speaker 21: And he's done all right, But a lot of kids

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Speaker 21: in the system under NCA, well you know, are not

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Speaker 21: really equipped for the workforce, let alone for universities.

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Speaker 3: So it's a good Do you.

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Speaker 2: Think she's PM material? And this is this is apropos

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Speaker 2: the columns at the weekend.

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Speaker 6: Well, you asked why Erica was MVP, and it goes

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Speaker 6: to Josie's statement, this is not a rush job. This

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Speaker 6: is a rare minister who has spent many years developing detailed,

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Speaker 6: detailed policy and as a minister, she has worked through

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Speaker 6: this absolutely methodically. She is one of the few ministers.

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Speaker 6: In your interview with her, she is giving you actually

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Speaker 6: the nuts and bolts. She's not falling into the trap

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Speaker 6: that the Prime Minister and other ministers do now where

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Speaker 6: they spend all of their answers to questions on these

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Speaker 6: shows and others just stating what the problem is. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: well we all know what the problem. We want to

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Speaker 6: know what you're going to do about it. So I

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Speaker 6: am a big fan. She is one of the best

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Speaker 6: things National has going for it in terms of getting

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Speaker 6: the women's vote back.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree.

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Speaker 6: I can't tell you the number of women who are

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Speaker 6: literally fangirling on Erica Stanford because as mothers, they go,

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Speaker 6: here's a person who gets it, who is practical, She's

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Speaker 6: got her hands on the clay, she deeply understands what's happening,

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Speaker 6: and she's rolling out these big changes. I love the

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Speaker 6: NCAA stuff. What I also love is, as she alluded to,

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Speaker 6: she's going to next roll out twice yearly assessments so

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Speaker 6: parents will know exactly where their kids are at. It's

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Speaker 6: all fantastic, and I think that is why she's a

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Speaker 6: great communicator. She really knows her stuff. She cares about

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Speaker 6: policy and detail, not just so you know content on

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Speaker 6: social media. I think that's why people are talking about

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Speaker 6: her as PM material.

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Speaker 5: Hmm.

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Speaker 2: I heard the one can your breath there, Josie?

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Speaker 17: I did.

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Speaker 21: I did, just because I do think we've still got

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Speaker 21: to acknowledge why on earth it was that the NCA

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Speaker 21: system came into place in the first place, and it

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Speaker 21: was to look at those kids who don't do well

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Speaker 21: in exams, are they being assessed in other ways that

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Speaker 21: we could work out, Okay, this kid has actually got

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Speaker 21: a career path here, So there is some good stuff

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Speaker 21: in the NCEA. The kids that aren't going to do

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Speaker 21: well in exams deserve some way of indicating what they're

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Speaker 21: going to be good at in terms of their jobs.

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Speaker 21: And I think, you know, look, if that's where labor

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Speaker 21: can come in and go, hey, let's keep let's keep

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Speaker 21: what's good and check out what's bad, and let's work

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Speaker 21: together on something that's going to benefit.

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Speaker 6: But the problem is for our kids, Josie. We have

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Speaker 6: then engineered a system all one way. So we engineered

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Speaker 6: a system all around kids who weren't good at exams. Yes,

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Speaker 6: and that has it's commed down the whole thing and

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Speaker 6: made it unusable.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree. Hey, guys, thank you so much, really appreciated.

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Speaker 2: Hither It's such a shame that Erica wasn't running the

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Speaker 2: Cutter when my young fellas were at school. What a bloody,

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Speaker 2: bloody cockcase that was. That's from Andy Hither. I'm a

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Speaker 2: high school teacher who left teaching recently because I got

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Speaker 2: sick of the internal marking and teaching, the assessments. And

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Speaker 2: I'm delighted with what Erica is doing. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 2: I'm actually pleasantly surprised, are you not pleasant? Really surprised

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Speaker 2: by the number of educators who are actually backing what

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Speaker 2: Eric is doing because generally how it goes is that

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Speaker 2: and this is it's terrible that it works like this,

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Speaker 2: But generally it is how it works like this. You

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Speaker 2: get the guys from the left going in, they tend

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Speaker 2: to tend to do what the teachers wants. The teachers

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Speaker 2: go easy on them. Yet the guys from the right

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Speaker 2: coming in and all of a sudden and they tend

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Speaker 2: to not be on board with the unions. So generally

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Speaker 2: the teachers and the nurses and you know so and

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Speaker 2: give them a hard time. Not so with Erica Stanford,

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Speaker 2: which I think is a really interesting little development in

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Speaker 2: this obviously has been talking to the sector here the

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Speaker 2: well done to Erica. Glad she's an aspiration for our kids.

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Speaker 2: Kids aren't stupid. Most important, we actually have a curriculum

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Speaker 2: so that teachers can focus on the teaching part and

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Speaker 2: allow subject matter experts to produce textbooks brilliant stuff. Okay, Now, look,

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Speaker 2: I hate to be going from a good news story

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Speaker 2: to a bad news story, and this is not really

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Speaker 2: a bad news story, but I reckon there is nothing

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Speaker 2: that makes me feel like this country is headed in

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Speaker 2: the wrong direction, kind of towards third world status. Then

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Speaker 2: every single time we talk about coal and having to

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Speaker 2: stockpile coal, and we've done it again. We're stockpiling now

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Speaker 2: six hundred thousand tons of coal at Huntley. And the

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Speaker 2: reason we're doing this is because the country's big four

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Speaker 2: gent tailors have signed a deal to do this, and

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Speaker 2: they're doing it basically because they can see that there

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Speaker 2: will be years where there are going to be energy

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Speaker 2: crunches and they need to be able to get through.

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Speaker 2: And Genesis, which owns Huntley, doesn't want to be the

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Speaker 2: one doing it by itself, so they got them all

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Speaker 2: involved in it and whatnot. So and it's going to

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Speaker 2: keep Huntly the full power station operational for the next

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Speaker 2: decade or so. It still has to be signed off

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Speaker 2: by the ComCom, and I suspect that they will because

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Speaker 2: otherwise they're going to end us to the older dark

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Speaker 2: ages again. Anyway, We're going to talk to Malcolm John's

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Speaker 2: from Genesis Energy after half past six. But isn't it

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Speaker 2: And while I I don't have a major ideological opposition

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Speaker 2: to Cole, isn't it just so backward though you think

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Speaker 2: he's the rest of the world. You know, we should

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Speaker 2: be moving into all kinds of clean energy and stuff,

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Speaker 2: and here we are going back to coal. Anyway, Hey,

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Speaker 2: Nichola Willis is going to be at US next Finance Minister,

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Speaker 2: Let's talk to her about the tariffs. News Talk said b.

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Speaker 3: What's up, what's down? What were a major cause? And

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Speaker 3: how will it affect the economy?

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Speaker 1: The big business questions on the Business Hour with hither

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Speaker 1: Duplicy Allen and MAS for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions used

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Speaker 1: talk said by Good Evening.

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Speaker 2: Coming up in the next hour, Genesis Energy is going

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Speaker 2: to talk us through that stoff pile of coal. It's

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Speaker 2: after six thirty. Tourism Holdings has rejected the takeover Officer

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Speaker 2: Shane Soley will talk us through that. And then Gavin

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Speaker 2: Gray does the UK for US at seven past six

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Speaker 2: and nikolaulls the finance ministers with us Hi, Nicola, Good Evening,

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Speaker 2: Ether do you reckon this?

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Speaker 6: Is it?

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Speaker 2: On the tariffs? We won't get a better deal?

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Speaker 9: Well, I think there is the possibility that we could,

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Speaker 9: in particular because the blunt reason why we're facing fifteen

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Speaker 9: percent is that in the most recent year we had

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Speaker 9: a trade deficit with the US. We sold them more

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Speaker 9: than we bought from them. But that has changed year

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Speaker 9: to year over the past decade, and we could expect

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Speaker 9: it to change in the future. So the question for

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Speaker 9: US is if it does change, does that mean we

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Speaker 9: get better treatment?

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Speaker 2: So do you think this is something that they are

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Speaker 2: going to keep revising as we go along?

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Speaker 9: Well, I would simply observe that they have continued to

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Speaker 9: revise their position on tariffs pretty continuously, and so it's

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Speaker 9: not possible to imagine that that could continue into the.

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Speaker 2: But then isn't that something that's going to fluctuate every

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Speaker 2: single time we go into deficitle surplus from their point

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Speaker 2: of view.

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Speaker 9: Look, I don't know the answer to that, but that's

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Speaker 9: exactly heverly.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible you've being overly hopeful here, because I

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Speaker 2: mean this seems to me to have been locked in

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Speaker 2: at a point in time, and our Australia is it's

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Speaker 2: on ten percent and we sit on fifteen percent, and

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine that they're going to put the effort

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Speaker 2: into keeping on changing this every single time every single

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Speaker 2: country goes into a different position.

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Speaker 9: This just means I'm being resolute, which is that we

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Speaker 9: need to take every opportunity and angle to push the

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Speaker 9: best case for our exporters, and we do think we

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Speaker 9: have a strong case. How that will be met by

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Speaker 9: the US administration is yet to unfold. But if this

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Speaker 9: is about trade deficits and surpluses, and that's a changing position,

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Speaker 9: then we would hope that the tariff could change.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what's our strong case that we're taking to them.

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Speaker 9: First, That we have a very balanced and complementary relationship,

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Speaker 9: That we're a very good and long standing friend of

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Speaker 9: the US, that our trade is complementary and non threat,

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Speaker 9: and that we do expect to be buying quite a

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Speaker 9: lot from the US in the coming few years, and

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Speaker 9: that we'd like that reflected in our tariff position.

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Speaker 2: Is that with the Boeings.

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Speaker 9: Well with our general defense procurement, we've made a big

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01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 9: commitment to building the capability of our defense force across

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01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 9: a number of areas where ye'd expect US manufacturers would

1510
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 9: be some of those bidding for the contracts.

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Speaker 2: Had we thought about possibly removing all the tariffs that

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01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:26,519
Speaker 2: we slap on US goods.

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Speaker 9: Well, all of those things are potential considerations in a negotiation,

1514
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:38,120
Speaker 9: but at this point, we already have incredibly low tariffs

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01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 9: on US goods, so we don't actually have that much

1516
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 9: to bring to the table, and that's one of the

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01:09:43,280 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 9: points that we've been making. We're not a country that's

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01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 9: been playing fast and loose. We haven't tried to break

1519
01:09:49,240 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 9: the rules.

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01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 2: Their footwear we slap with ten percent.

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Speaker 9: That's all that low, which is low relative to a

1522
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,000
Speaker 9: lot of other countries.

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01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're getting and we're moaning about that.

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01:09:59,400 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 9: But overall in terms but overall, in terms of how

1525
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 9: much we import from the States, the average tariff rate

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01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,200
Speaker 9: across what we actually import large amounts of is lower

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:10,840
Speaker 9: than that heather, and our reciprocal tariffs are much lower

1528
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 9: than they are and lots of the other countries. So

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01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:14,200
Speaker 9: we've got a good case.

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,719
Speaker 2: What about if we because I know that they're apparently

1531
01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 2: annoyed about our biosecurity regime with some of the exports

1532
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 2: imports for US, would we consider having a look at that.

1533
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 9: All those are always things that we look at because

1534
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:27,679
Speaker 9: we play by the rules, which is we don't use

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01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,640
Speaker 9: our biosecurity regime as an excuse for restricting an importation

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01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 9: of products. If it's ever perceived that we are, we're

1537
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 9: always prepared to look at it. But this is a

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01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 9: case where anything that we do at our end, we

1539
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 9: want to lead to advantage for our exporters at the

1540
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 9: US end. So those are the issues that our negotiators

1541
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:47,759
Speaker 9: will be stepping.

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 2: Why didn't we send Vangelis Vitalis before.

1543
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 9: Well, the very clear indication that we had at the

1544
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 9: ministerial level was that we were not on the naughty list.

1545
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:03,120
Speaker 9: We weren't on the bad list, that making efforts to

1546
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:07,320
Speaker 9: get negotiation weren't going to be successful because we simply

1547
01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 9: weren't on the list of people that were at risk.

1548
01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:13,879
Speaker 9: And as it's played out, really there was an exception

1549
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 9: made for Australia based on that blunt assessment that they

1550
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 9: export more to the US than they import from the US,

1551
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 9: and nothing we negotiated would have changed that blunt fact.

1552
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 2: Now, talk me through these doc charges. How are we

1553
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 2: going to do this at for example, let's say Cathedral Cove.

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01:11:31,640 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 9: Well, a lot of people have got to Cathedral Cove

1555
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 9: go on a boat as part of a tour group.

1556
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 9: So you could envisage that potentially that tour group would

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01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 9: put the charge directly to those people they're putting on

1558
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 9: the boat. You could also imagine that for those who

1559
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,840
Speaker 9: walk in, you could have some sort of a turnstile.

1560
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 9: Technology these days is pretty advanced in terms of what

1561
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:53,760
Speaker 9: perhaps we can have on our phone elsewhere that's one

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01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 9: of the issues that we will be consulting with the

1563
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:00,400
Speaker 9: industry about over the coming months. It cannot be too

1564
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 9: hard to charge a simple fee for international tourists to

1565
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 9: see one of the most beautiful places in the country.

1566
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,799
Speaker 9: I know what every other country around the world manages

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01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:10,599
Speaker 9: to do it. And anyone who says to me, oh,

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01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,840
Speaker 9: it's too complicated, I say, come on, this is pretty simple.

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Speaker 2: Really Okay, No, I like the sound of that. Okay,

1570
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 2: are you going to fix or change anything about the

1571
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:21,799
Speaker 2: surcharge ban as it is right now? Because you cannot

1572
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 2: tell me that you are going to do this to

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01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 2: some of your voters months before the election.

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01:12:27,880 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 9: The first thing that I want to fix is I

1575
01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 9: want small businesses to hear this message, which they didn't

1576
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:36,280
Speaker 9: hear I think in some cases. Which is the first

1577
01:12:36,360 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 9: thing that happened, was the Commerce Commission regulated what prices

1578
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 9: MasterCard and Visa can charge you for your merchant fees

1579
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 9: and for your pay services, and they have mandated that

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01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:52,799
Speaker 9: those costs need to reduce significantly by tens of millions,

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01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 9: which will have a cost reduction.

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01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,080
Speaker 2: Come on, Nicholae, it's nineteen million dollars it out of

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01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:01,240
Speaker 2: about a billion. It's it's more change. And then add

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01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 2: on to that everything else that gets charged on top

1585
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 2: of Visa and MasterCard, the retail banks. It's massive. That

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:09,599
Speaker 2: made no difference. What are you going to change because

1587
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,919
Speaker 2: you cannot do this to small and medium sized businesses.

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01:13:12,479 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 9: It is a significant cost reduction. The second thing is

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01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,479
Speaker 9: that we are expecting the Commerce Commission to work with

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01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:23,280
Speaker 9: the banks to provide businesses much more clear, transparent and

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01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:27,919
Speaker 9: easily comparable price information to allow businesses to negotiate with Nicholas.

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01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 2: You will know, Nicola, come on, if you put this

1593
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: on on businesses and you force them to absorb this

1594
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 2: mid next year, midwinter, just before you go to the election,

1595
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 2: you know you're going to lose voters.

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01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:37,760
Speaker 3: You can't do this.

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01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 9: Well, here's the principled point, which I think is important.

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01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,479
Speaker 9: We do know that consumers in New Zealand are currently

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01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,320
Speaker 9: paying tens of millions and excess to charges. The Commerce

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01:13:48,360 --> 01:13:50,360
Speaker 9: Commission have done a lot of work on this. We

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01:13:50,520 --> 01:13:53,640
Speaker 9: have a culture in our country which I appreciate as

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01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 9: a consumer. Unlike some countries around the world, the price

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01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 9: you see on the tag is the price you pay

1604
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:00,439
Speaker 9: at the till, and you don't get to the till

1605
01:14:00,479 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 9: and then have VAT added this charge and that charge.

1606
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,640
Speaker 9: And what that does is empowers consumers to know is

1607
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 9: it cheaper here or down the road. And we don't

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01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 9: think that the merchant payWave schemes are enough of a

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:16,800
Speaker 9: justification for changing that long standing practice. Now, individual retailers

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01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:19,719
Speaker 9: will manage this in different ways, but we are confident

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01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 9: it can be managed and that the consumer will win

1612
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 9: out of it and that small businesses will adapt.

1613
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,240
Speaker 2: All right, now on the road cones tipline, Can I

1614
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 2: implore you to get rid of this thing because it's pointless?

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01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 9: Well, actually, you know Van Velden brought it in for

1616
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 9: a reason. She went to her agency.

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01:14:36,920 --> 01:14:39,120
Speaker 2: Come on, you know it does nothing. You know that

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01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,040
Speaker 2: all it does is it goes in checks that they've

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01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 2: got as many road cones laid out as the onerous

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01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 2: rules require them to. And it's costing us what is

1621
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:48,680
Speaker 2: it like four hundred thousand dollars to run the thing?

1622
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 2: Get rid of it, save the money.

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01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 9: Well here's the thing. So as a as a government,

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01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,120
Speaker 9: the last government was spending seven hundred and eighty six

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01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 9: million dollars on temporary traffic management. Brought those costs down

1626
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,600
Speaker 9: massively for our own road projects. But what we've observed

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01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,720
Speaker 9: is that a lot of councils around the country haven't done.

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01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:12,599
Speaker 2: That's why Bush's idea is fantastic. Right, So Bush is saying,

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01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 2: if you don't follow the rules and go for fewer cones,

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01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,639
Speaker 2: we'rewithholding money. But which makes it makes Brooks tip line

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,200
Speaker 2: just a performance so cut it well.

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01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 9: Look it's belt embraces approach. Heither is what I would

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01:15:24,200 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 9: describe it as. On the one hand, we are mandating

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01:15:26,600 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 9: that for councils that they have to update their guidance

1635
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 9: and their approach. And on the other hand, we're empowering

1636
01:15:32,600 --> 01:15:35,519
Speaker 9: rate pays that if they see it looking bad, they

1637
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,479
Speaker 9: can tip us off and gives us a clear basis

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01:15:38,520 --> 01:15:39,280
Speaker 9: on which to follow up.

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01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,439
Speaker 2: Right, Nichola, thanks very much, appreciate it. Look up yourself.

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01:15:41,479 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: That's Nicola Willis the Finance Minister. Sixteen past six.

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01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:48,439
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1642
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:51,160
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01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 2: Heather. The Commerce Commission will only adjust the interchange fees

1644
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 2: only one part. It's only one part of the merchant

1645
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 2: service fees. Banks will move things around and fees will

1646
01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,840
Speaker 2: rise as will price increases to the consumer. I know this,

1647
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:08,759
Speaker 2: and this is what we need to understand. Those merchant

1648
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 2: fees are billions of dollars in the economy every year.

1649
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:14,439
Speaker 2: What Nichola keeps telling us is, yes, but the ComCom

1650
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,240
Speaker 2: took ninety million out. Well what's ninety million when we're

1651
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 2: talking about billions, it's nothing. Who cares? Hither Please ask

1652
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 2: Nicola if she would reconsider what she's doing with the

1653
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,240
Speaker 2: bank charges, because like many people, I think it's not

1654
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,800
Speaker 2: going to work. Tried, Hither you one hundred percent correct,

1655
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,719
Speaker 2: read the voters and payWave. As a small business owner,

1656
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,479
Speaker 2: my first tick is blue and my second tick is yellow.

1657
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,479
Speaker 2: That's now two ticks yellow. It acts by the way,

1658
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,200
Speaker 2: National have seriously screwed their voters on this, I'll tell

1659
01:16:37,200 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 2: you what's going on here, which I'm a little disappointed in.

1660
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 2: Notice that I asked Nikola willis are you going to

1661
01:16:42,200 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 2: reconsider it? And she wouldn't answer my question. It's a Instead,

1662
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:48,040
Speaker 2: what she's trying to do is just convince you that

1663
01:16:48,120 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 2: they are doing the right thing. Just keep keep trying

1664
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 2: to convince you. That's a very just cinder r dern approach.

1665
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,880
Speaker 2: To government. Don't you think where people are telling you, hey,

1666
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: we don't like this, this is not going to work,

1667
01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 2: and you go, no, let me just con vince you

1668
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 2: and convince you and convince you, and eventually you believe it.

1669
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. It didn't work for Jinda, It's not

1670
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:09,479
Speaker 2: going to work for Nichola six twenty Hell Duplessy La

1671
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:13,160
Speaker 2: Jane Solly Harbor Asset Management is with me? Hey, Shane, Hell, Hey,

1672
01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 2: what happened to the US markets on Friday night?

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01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a bit of a week night on Friday,

1674
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 5: US market down, shear market down one point six percent,

1675
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 5: a bit of a combo head week, jobs week, lead

1676
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 5: indicators on the economy, higher tariffs, lower than expectings, geopolitical tension,

1677
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 5: you name it. It all got thrown in really pushed

1678
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 5: the market around. The big one was a strop in

1679
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 5: US jobs that became a seventy three thousand. There was

1680
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:41,280
Speaker 5: below expectations. But what really hit the market was the

1681
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 5: numbers were really revised down from May and June. And

1682
01:17:43,800 --> 01:17:46,759
Speaker 5: what it means is, instead of growing at the extent

1683
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:49,080
Speaker 5: that some politicians in the US might like you to believe,

1684
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:51,479
Speaker 5: the last three months only is in thirty five thousand

1685
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 5: jobs at it. That's pretty weak. So they'd certainly pushed

1686
01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 5: the chances of a cut in official rates from the

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01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 5: US Federal Reserve. The markets who bond yours go down,

1688
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:05,479
Speaker 5: which is good for the cost of born, but unfortunately

1689
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:06,600
Speaker 5: the shear market went down with it.

1690
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Speaker 2: And Donald Trump has some strong views about the labor

1691
01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:10,759
Speaker 2: data and the US Fed Reserve.

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Speaker 5: He sure that he actually called the data fake, and

1693
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,040
Speaker 5: he's directed at the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor

1694
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:21,880
Speaker 5: Statistics to be fired. This poor lady's been trumped. He didn't.

1695
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Speaker 5: Continued to lay into She'd Reserve chair Jerome Powell, continuing

1696
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 5: to call on my moron, he did get one step

1697
01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 5: closer to getting a bit more control over the Fed.

1698
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 5: A lady called Adrianna Klugler, who's a governor and the

1699
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 5: Fed Reserve she resigned. That means the White House can

1700
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,519
Speaker 5: actually point somebody else to go win and that is

1701
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,639
Speaker 5: probably going to be the next Fed cheer.

1702
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 2: How did the local market respond to that volacility in

1703
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 2: the US?

1704
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:47,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty pretty quiet, to be honest with you. Hit

1705
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:50,639
Speaker 5: the tenure goavernment. Barnes fell five basis points to four

1706
01:18:50,680 --> 01:18:54,439
Speaker 5: point four eight percent, which is helpful. Sharmaker only down

1707
01:18:54,479 --> 01:18:57,639
Speaker 5: about zero point three five percent. Our market's pretty defensive.

1708
01:18:57,680 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 5: We're not as sensitive to some of that US markets up.

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01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 2: What did you make of Brisco's profit update?

1710
01:19:03,880 --> 01:19:06,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, look, Brisco's great retailer came out with a slightly

1711
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 5: lower number than they indicated pre earlier, in near twin

1712
01:19:09,880 --> 01:19:12,519
Speaker 5: ize million for the half. This half, there's a thirdy

1713
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 5: three earlier on Look what they said importantly here there

1714
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,920
Speaker 5: was Yeah, this half was below expectations, but the second

1715
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,920
Speaker 5: quarter is better. And what they're actually pointing to is

1716
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,400
Speaker 5: next the second the next half they're expecting a bit

1717
01:19:24,439 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 5: of a pickup. So kind of a mixed message, but

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Speaker 5: getting better rather than worse. As I say, these guys

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Speaker 5: are the top in their game. Share price flat on

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Speaker 5: the day at six o one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, good stuff. And what about tourism holdings And

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01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 2: what's the grounds for rejecting this takeover offer?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, really important one here so thl that this is

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Speaker 5: their recreational vehicle, the rental band operator. They were offered

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Speaker 5: a bid by BGH ten dollars thirty the boards connec.

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Speaker 5: So let's opportunistic. You're picking the bottom of the market.

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Speaker 5: And we think based on our analysis, the stock is

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Speaker 5: worth more than three dollars. Importantly, come out with a

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Speaker 5: strategy to actually lift the Uttern's a gross roadmap as

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Speaker 5: they're calling it, targeting one hundred mill of profit and

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Speaker 5: they've laid out some pretty meaningful changes the business. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: they're opened the board that you're open to negotiating with

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Speaker 5: BGH any other potential bidders. So the sheap price pretty flat,

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01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:19,960
Speaker 5: up half a percent to two.

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Speaker 2: Six Shane, good to talk to you, thanks mate, Shane,

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Speaker 2: Sally Harbor Asset Management. Hey, a really really weird thing,

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Speaker 2: really weird thing was happening at the National Library that

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Speaker 2: we have to talk about before this program is finished.

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Speaker 1: The Business Hour with Heather Duplicy Allen and MAS for

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Speaker 1: Trusted Home Insurance Solutions.

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Speaker 2: News Talks be We're going to talk to Genesis Energy

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01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 2: just by the way, on the fact that they've managed

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 2: to get all the gentailors together and they're talking about

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01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,800
Speaker 2: how they've agreed to stockpile of coal and just see

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Speaker 2: whether they're going to get the ComCom to sign off

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Speaker 2: on It's twenty seven past.

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Speaker 3: Six, Heather Duplicy Allen in some show.

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Speaker 2: BUSINWS Australia's biggest night in television was last night, but

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Speaker 2: this year the key we just took over. Dam Neil

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Speaker 2: won his third LOGI Award for Best Lead Actor in

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Speaker 2: a Drama for his show The Twelve, though he actually

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Speaker 2: didn't appear in person, and Kiwi comic Guy Montgomery won

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Speaker 2: the award for Most Popular New Talent for his work

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Speaker 2: hosting the Ossie version of his game show Guy Mont's Spellingbee.

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Speaker 2: Guy unapologetically took the award home for New Zealand. I'm

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Speaker 2: from New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: I know so.

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Speaker 8: I'm so sorry that to all of your country, but

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Speaker 8: suck it.

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01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 3: We got one up on you this time.

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Speaker 2: While appearing on Ozzie chat show, Cheap Seat, Guy poked

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Speaker 2: fun at the award, which used to be called Most

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Speaker 2: Outstanding New Talent.

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Speaker 13: They've graduated from those archaic methods to most Popular, which

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01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:43,280
Speaker 13: means whichever nominee does the best job of promoting the

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Speaker 13: logis on their Instagram.

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Speaker 2: Other big winners on the night include Magada you know

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Speaker 2: Magda from Kath and Kim. She was inducted into the

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Speaker 2: she was sharing Karen Streets Lucky she was inducted into

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Speaker 2: the TV Hall of Fame, and the Knight's most Prestigious award,

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Speaker 2: which is the Golden Logi, was won by Home and

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Speaker 2: Away actress Lynn McGranger, who stepped away from the role

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Speaker 2: after thirty two years. In February A. Wadden and m's

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Speaker 2: all right, listen the weird thing that happened at the

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Speaker 2: NAT Library.

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Speaker 3: We're talking about it next, crunching the numbers and getting

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Speaker 3: the results.

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Speaker 1: It's Heather dup c Allen with the Business Hour and

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01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,960
Speaker 1: MAZ for Trusted Home Insurance Solutions News.

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Speaker 3: Talks'd be.

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Speaker 2: Get a load of this, you love technology. The UK

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01:23:34,120 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 2: has just used its first unmanned police helicopter. How good

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 2: would that be? Because we've only got one of them,

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01:23:39,320 --> 01:23:41,719
Speaker 2: but I've got lots of bad guys. How good would

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01:23:41,720 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 2: it be if we just had drone helicopter's up there? Actually,

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01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 2: having said that out loud, that does freak me out.

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01:23:45,720 --> 01:23:47,759
Speaker 2: So it does sound a little bit kind of you know, terminator.

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01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:49,840
Speaker 2: But anyway, we'll have a chat to Gavin Gray about

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01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 2: it when he's with us shortly. It's twenty four away

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01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:53,960
Speaker 2: from seven colt.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

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Speaker 2: Huntley's power station is going to remain operational for the

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01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:00,600
Speaker 2: next decade. The country's big four gente have signed a

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Speaker 2: deal and they're going to stockpile up to an extra

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 2: six hundred thousand tons of cold Huntley. They're hoping this

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01:24:05,479 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 2: will protect against the energy crunches in the winter like

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Speaker 2: what happened last year. The ComCom still has to sign

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01:24:10,439 --> 01:24:12,960
Speaker 2: off on this. Malcolm John's is the chief executive at

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Speaker 2: Genesis Energy.

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Speaker 8: Hey Malcolm, good evening, How are you well think you know?

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Speaker 2: Why did you want the other gent tailors to be

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Speaker 2: involved with you rather than going it alone?

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Speaker 20: Well, in instance, the machine that we're talking about was

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Speaker 20: due to go into retirement in February next year, and

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Speaker 20: from a purely Genesis perspective that made sense. But from

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Speaker 20: a wider New Zealand perspective, there was a case to

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Speaker 20: invest in keeping that machine in play for another decade,

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Speaker 20: and so Genesis couldn't do that on its own, and

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01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:46,879
Speaker 20: so we entered into a discussion with the others around

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Speaker 20: tow investment to keep that machine in play for energy

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Speaker 20: security for dry years and when the wind doesn't blow.

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Speaker 2: So why does it make sense for you but not

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Speaker 2: for them?

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Speaker 20: It makes sense for everybody, But effectively it's dealing with

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01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:05,160
Speaker 20: system risk rather than Genesis risk, and so we couldn't

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Speaker 20: ask our shareholders to fund that on their own because

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Speaker 20: that would be writing an insurance policy for the broader system.

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Speaker 20: And so everyone going in together means that we collectively

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Speaker 20: share the cost of providing that system wise insurance.

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Speaker 2: Malkilmer I write, and remembering correctly that it was just

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Speaker 2: last week that you guys were saying, you don't have

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01:25:23,960 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 2: enough agreement, you might shut it down, and then suddenly

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01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,880
Speaker 2: they've come to the party. Is that what has happened?

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01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 20: I know we've been very care all the way through

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01:25:30,640 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 20: that without an agreement, the machine would go into retirement.

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01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 2: As originally, what I'm asking is when did you strike

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01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:36,960
Speaker 2: this agreement?

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01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,719
Speaker 20: Well, we began discussions in February. In about two months

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01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 20: or about six weeks ago, we announced that we'd reached

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 20: an agreement on terms and conditions, and we were documenting

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01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:52,599
Speaker 20: the contract at that point, and so't we weren't concerned

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Speaker 20: during the last six weeks in terms of the contract.

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01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 20: We just had to finalize it and sign it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see, now how long does it? How you reckon,

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01:26:00,439 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 2: it's going to take you to get through that six

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Speaker 2: hundred thousand tons?

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Speaker 20: Well as Huntley, like last winter, has all three ranking

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01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,519
Speaker 20: units running. It burns ten thousand tons a day, and

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01:26:12,760 --> 01:26:14,880
Speaker 20: in essence, what happened is we ran out of coal

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Speaker 20: last winter or we came very close to running out

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Speaker 20: of coal last winter, and so the six hundred thousand

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Speaker 20: ton reserve just means that that won't happen again in

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Speaker 20: the future. And of course we bought the gas from

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Speaker 20: Methinex and Methinx closed for two months and it rained

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Speaker 20: two weeks later, and so having coal is much more flexible,

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Speaker 20: and that's why the coal reserve is beneficial.

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Speaker 2: But that's only a couple of months. If if we're

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Speaker 2: going health for leather, it's a couple of months worth

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Speaker 2: of coal.

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Speaker 20: A remember that it's in that six hundred thousand tons

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Speaker 20: is in addition to the normal coal spot pilot hunting,

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Speaker 20: which is five hundred thousand tons, So it gives you

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Speaker 20: a million tons of coal and effectively to run through

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Speaker 20: a dry period.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think the Comments Commission is going to

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Speaker 2: sign this off that half to I? I mean, otherwise

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01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,679
Speaker 2: they'd be looking at power cups.

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Speaker 20: Well, I would assume that they will take a normal

1878
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 20: look at this through the Commerce Act. We believe, based

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01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 20: on the advice we have that it's appropriate, but it's

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01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 20: for then to take a look at it now and

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Speaker 20: decide whether it is or is in appropriate.

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Speaker 2: We have spoken about in the past about shutting Huntley down.

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Speaker 2: But are we ever going to shut the old girl down?

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Speaker 20: I think we need to talk about how we evolve Huntley.

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Speaker 20: It's the only power station that sits in between Auckland,

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Speaker 20: Hamilton and tod On. He It's New Zealand's largest power

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Speaker 20: station and it has an enormous connection to the grid.

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Speaker 20: And so the assets and fuels that Huntley will change

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Speaker 20: over the next next twenty five years. It's difficult to

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Speaker 20: see it shutting down completely.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant, Hey, thank you, Malcolm appreciated. That's Malcolm John's

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Speaker 2: Genesis Energy chief executive. When you think about it later

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01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:53,320
Speaker 2: that you think, why did we ever go there? Why

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01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 2: did we even discuss shutting her down? If she was

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01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 2: still working nineteen away from seven.

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Speaker 3: Heather do for see Allen?

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Speaker 2: Okay, tell me how weird this is? Because I reckon

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Speaker 2: this is quite weird. So this is the National Library

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Speaker 2: Young So there was a chap who was working for

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Speaker 2: the Department of Internal Affairs and he passed away very

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01:28:12,720 --> 01:28:15,679
Speaker 2: sadly last week after a very short illness with cancer.

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Speaker 2: And what they were going to do was that they

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Speaker 2: were going to take his body to the National Library

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01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:25,200
Speaker 2: and have a service there, and then they were going

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Speaker 2: to close the National Library to the public while they

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01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: had a service there with his body there. Anyway, it

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01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 2: got stopped, and I don't know why it got so,

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01:28:33,400 --> 01:28:35,679
Speaker 2: it's not clear whether the minister stopped it or whether

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01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 2: they just at some point realized maybe it's a bit

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01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,960
Speaker 2: weird if we bring in some guy's body. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to know whether the Minister did an intervene

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01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: or just, you know, they realized the situation. Anyway, they

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01:28:47,880 --> 01:28:50,920
Speaker 2: decided that they would instead take his body to the

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Speaker 2: Government Department, the DIA, and do it there, which is

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01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,719
Speaker 2: still kind of an interesting decision, don't you think. Anyway,

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01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,840
Speaker 2: Brook van Velden, as I said, hard to know whether

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Speaker 2: she stopped it as the Internal Affairs Minister, but she said,

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01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:04,560
Speaker 2: I have expressed my view to the Chief Executive that

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Speaker 2: I do not believe it was appropriate to plan to

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01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:09,600
Speaker 2: close the National Library for this purpose, nor for a

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01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 2: deceased person to be present at the department's offices, and

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Speaker 2: he has assured me that that will not happen again.

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01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:17,639
Speaker 2: I'd actually come to now that I've read it out loud,

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01:29:18,160 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 2: it does sound rather like it's after the fact day,

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01:29:21,080 --> 01:29:23,799
Speaker 2: like they realized, oh, yeah, no, maybe maybe we shouldn't.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we shouldn't do it at the National Library, We'll

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Speaker 2: just do it at the offices, which they did, and

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01:29:27,720 --> 01:29:29,160
Speaker 2: then she she got wind of it, and then she

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01:29:29,320 --> 01:29:32,559
Speaker 2: was like, hey, what and and after the fact she said,

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Speaker 2: don't do that. That is quite weird.

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Speaker 17: Day.

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Speaker 8: That's I mean, yeah, I assume they must have done

1933
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Speaker 8: it with the guy's consent, right, So how much would

1934
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Speaker 8: you have to love your work to be okay with

1935
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Speaker 8: them having your funeral at the office if you died?

1936
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Speaker 8: If you die, absolutely not. You're not bringing me in here. No,

1937
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Speaker 8: you couldn't want to say that. It's not that I

1938
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Speaker 8: don't like my job here, but yeah, no you're not.

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Speaker 8: You're not plumking my coffin here on this on the

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Speaker 8: studio desk and holding a service.

1941
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Speaker 2: Because we'd have to turn the station off.

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Speaker 8: Well I was gonna, yeah, I was gonna say, we

1943
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Speaker 8: only have the one controlled their skin here, So yeah,

1944
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Speaker 8: because we couldn't.

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Speaker 2: Work around your body, which is obviously what's happening.

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Speaker 8: We're in an open plan office, so everyone who was

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Speaker 8: working on the floor would have to be part of

1948
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Speaker 8: the funeral.

1949
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Speaker 2: I don't think. No, I don't. I don't think. I

1950
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Speaker 2: mean I love my job. I don't. I do, And

1951
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Speaker 2: I love the people I work with.

1952
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Speaker 8: Yeah, me and Laura would do great eulogies for you

1953
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Speaker 8: as well. Nothing to worry about that.

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Speaker 2: But I think I reckon. By the time I've kicked

1955
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Speaker 2: the can, I've spent enough time here, do you know

1956
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Speaker 2: what I mean? I don't think that that's the last

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Speaker 2: thing at last place I want to be. I reckon.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: Not a fan of the library either for me either,

1960
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Speaker 8: like the library, but not for that.

1961
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Speaker 2: But weird, but weird. Seventeen away from seven, whether it's macro.

1962
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Speaker 1: Micro or just playing economics, it's all on the Business

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Speaker 1: Hour with Heather Duplicy, Allen and Mas for.

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Speaker 2: Be Oh hey, I mean to tell you this earlier.

1966
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Speaker 2: Do you see the latest on the Sydney Sweeney controversy

1967
01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: over the Jeans ad, you know, the good Jean's ad

1968
01:30:57,200 --> 01:30:59,240
Speaker 2: that's got everybody calling her a Nazi and a fascist

1969
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:02,720
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. She's a registered Republican. So that's

1970
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 2: just all the haters, all the ones who said they're

1971
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 2: going you got your cleavage out I hate it. Well,

1972
01:31:07,600 --> 01:31:10,080
Speaker 2: they're going to hate it even more registered last year

1973
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Speaker 2: with the party fourteen away from Steven. Devin Gray is

1974
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Speaker 2: our UK correspondent. Hey, Devin, Hi, haven't had that right?

1975
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Speaker 2: How's the weather looking then?

1976
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Speaker 22: Well, I would say it's our summer. It's lovely and

1977
01:31:20,640 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 22: sunny and it's okay, but we are in for a

1978
01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:28,400
Speaker 22: big storm here in the UK, unseasonably strong winds potentially

1979
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 22: in Scotland up to one hundred and sixty kilometers an hour.

1980
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Speaker 22: That's one hundred miles an hour, but even Inland, I

1981
01:31:35,240 --> 01:31:37,120
Speaker 22: mean most of that damage that course could be on

1982
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Speaker 22: the coast. Even in Land, they're expecting one hundred and

1983
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Speaker 22: ten kilometers per hour down into the north of England,

1984
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Speaker 22: even as far as the Midlands. In fact, everyone's going

1985
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 22: to be feeling it brisk and breezy today right across

1986
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 22: the UK, but it's particularly in Scotland where there is

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Speaker 22: concern of dangers to life and damages to buildings and

1988
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 22: trees being brought down. So it's a warning that's been

1989
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,599
Speaker 22: graded to amber. We have a different sort of traffic

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Speaker 22: like system here for those strength.

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Speaker 3: Of warm storms.

1992
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Speaker 22: This is storm florists and plenty of people are saying, gosh,

1993
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Speaker 22: you know what on earth is going on at this

1994
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:14,000
Speaker 22: time of year. But people are being warned not to travel.

1995
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 22: So on the railways there are going to be speed

1996
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:21,200
Speaker 22: restrictions and some cancelations are likely Scottish the ferry operator

1997
01:32:21,320 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 22: issuing a series of cancelations saying do not travel unless

1998
01:32:24,280 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 22: you really need to. Motorists being urged to slow down.

1999
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Speaker 22: And it's very last year. Storm Lilian struck on the

2000
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Speaker 22: twenty third of August, just before a bank holiday weekend.

2001
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Speaker 22: Maybe this is the new weather system we're getting.

2002
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Speaker 2: Maybe, so, hey, tell me about this police drone, well unnamed,

2003
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Speaker 2: unmanned chopper. Did it go okay?

2004
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

2005
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Speaker 22: Now they've been testing this so this apparently is going

2006
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:52,519
Speaker 22: to become a blended operational air thing. In other words,

2007
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Speaker 22: there will still be manned helicopter flights for the police.

2008
01:32:56,439 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 22: But this they reckon is another very good use of

2009
01:33:00,280 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 22: aircraft here. This is a remotely controlled, piloted aircraft, but

2010
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Speaker 22: it is unmanned. In other words, the pilots are actually

2011
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Speaker 22: on the ground. They'll be one pilot and also a spotter.

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Speaker 22: Now one in three callouts for the National Police Air

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Speaker 22: Service are for missing people and the aircraft that this got,

2014
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Speaker 22: This unmanned one is particularly useful for that. First of all,

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01:33:26,479 --> 01:33:29,799
Speaker 22: it can travel for much longer, up to twelve hours

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Speaker 22: in the air. Secondly, it's far more environmentally friendly and

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Speaker 22: it also is much quieter. And what they reckon is

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01:33:38,120 --> 01:33:41,400
Speaker 22: that for the search for many people, you can do

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Speaker 22: that on the ground with this unmanned helicopter. And they say,

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Speaker 22: you know, it's got all the equipment, all the different

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01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:50,200
Speaker 22: cameras and stuff you normally have, but it can all

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01:33:50,240 --> 01:33:52,800
Speaker 22: be done from the ground. So something they're trialing over

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Speaker 22: the Bristol Channel and something that could come into force,

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Speaker 22: but I suspect in well, probably a couple of years time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, brilliant stuff the sound of it.

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Speaker 21: Now.

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Speaker 2: Does it sound to you like the story, this report

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Speaker 2: that Prince Harry gave Prince Andrew bloody knows as nonsense?

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Speaker 22: Well, there are lots of not holes in the argument,

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01:34:10,520 --> 01:34:13,280
Speaker 22: but there are lots of that seems a little unlikely.

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Speaker 22: This is a new book entitled The Rise and Fall

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Speaker 22: of the House of York. Of course the Duke of

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Speaker 22: York is Prince Andrew. There are claims in it that

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01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 22: effectively that Prince Harry and Prince Andrew had had a

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Speaker 22: fight at a family gathering back in twenty thirteen, alleging

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Speaker 22: that punches were thrown over something that Prince Andrew had

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01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 22: said behind Prince Harry's back. This, according to the author

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Speaker 22: Andrew Lowney, now we've got over at night our time,

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Speaker 22: in the last.

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Speaker 21: Few hours, we've got a.

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Speaker 3: This is not true.

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Speaker 22: Prince Harry's office has denied this story completely, but apparently

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01:34:52,360 --> 01:34:57,880
Speaker 22: the allegation surfaces that they were. Harry told his uncle

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Speaker 22: Prince Andrew that he had heard Andrew saying things behind

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Speaker 22: his back, and that he told Prince Andrew allegedly that

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Speaker 22: he was a coward not to say these things to

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Speaker 22: his face. And then by all accounts, there was a

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01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:14,360
Speaker 22: bit of a scuffle and Prince Andrew was allegedly left

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Speaker 22: with a bloody nose before the fight was broken up.

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Speaker 22: All very exciting the source, and the book also suggests

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Speaker 22: that the moment Prince William takes over from the King,

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Speaker 22: he will immediately kick out of their grace and favor

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01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,760
Speaker 22: home Prince Andrew and Sarah Ferguson. The book describes how

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01:35:33,840 --> 01:35:37,880
Speaker 22: Prince William loathes Sarah Ferguson allegedly and can't wait for

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01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:39,920
Speaker 22: the day when he can kick them both out.

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Speaker 2: Lovely. Sound like a really, really joyful family. Hey, thank

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Speaker 2: you very much, Kevin appreciated. Gevin Gray, are you UK correspondent? Hey?

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Speaker 2: By the way, I mean to say this earlier. Did

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01:35:50,360 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 2: you realize that insid on Era is now giving money

2060
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 2: to reality TV? It's been announced that they are giving

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01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:58,439
Speaker 2: one point basically one point five to The Traitors, which

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01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,519
Speaker 2: is going to be on TV three point three to

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01:36:00,600 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 2: five to Celebrity Treasure Island, which is gonna be on TVNS. Now, look,

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01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:07,560
Speaker 2: beggars can't be choosers. We don't have a lot of

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01:36:07,600 --> 01:36:09,960
Speaker 2: good TV anymore, do we, So we're having to fund

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01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:12,680
Speaker 2: this kind of crap. But do you would you not

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01:36:12,920 --> 01:36:15,280
Speaker 2: rather have your taxpayer money go And I don't want

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01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:16,960
Speaker 2: any of my taxpayer money going on any of the

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01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,920
Speaker 2: snots and spar including what I'm about to say. But

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01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 2: if you had to absolutely put your taxpayer money into Telly,

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01:36:23,400 --> 01:36:26,880
Speaker 2: wouldn't you rather it was paying to broadcast the netball

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01:36:27,280 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 2: so that the netballers could keep the remainder of their

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01:36:29,960 --> 01:36:31,960
Speaker 2: money and you know, not have to get part time jobs.

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01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:36,879
Speaker 2: Wouldn't you prefer that to Treasure Island and the traitors

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01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:38,599
Speaker 2: ain't away from seven.

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Speaker 3: It's the Heather too.

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Speaker 1: For see Alan Drive Full Show podcast on iHeartRadio powered

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Speaker 2: I'd actually like my taxpayer money back? Me too, me too,

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01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,799
Speaker 2: I would. I would at the stage like my taxpayer

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01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:54,280
Speaker 2: money back. I don't see any value in this. Hey, now,

2082
01:36:54,640 --> 01:36:56,599
Speaker 2: do you remember that Elizabeth Kitty Kitty? Did you rever

2083
01:36:56,720 --> 01:37:01,519
Speaker 2: that bat from the past. She was the Green MP

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01:37:02,080 --> 01:37:06,320
Speaker 2: who dressed entirely in purple. Do you remember she was

2085
01:37:06,400 --> 01:37:09,000
Speaker 2: the one who sent the text, the cry baby text,

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01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,920
Speaker 2: and then the Greens were act she was being made

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Speaker 2: to Chloe and she called Chloe a crybaby. I think

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01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:15,240
Speaker 2: she actually did. I don't actually think she called Chloe

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01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:17,200
Speaker 2: a crybaby. I think she's calling herself a cry baby.

2090
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 2: But I think it suited them to get rid of

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth because she does sound challenging, challenging to work with.

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01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,280
Speaker 2: So maybe they were like, oh, you sent it about yourself,

2093
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Speaker 2: but whatever, we're going to use this anyway. Mind never mind,

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Speaker 2: I'm getting off track here. Do you remember Elizabeth? Because

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01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 2: Elizabeth is now running for the Gisban District Council in

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01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,679
Speaker 2: the Maldi Wards she filed her application, she says, thankfully,

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Speaker 2: with eighteen minutes to spare so she could get in there.

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Speaker 10: Now.

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Speaker 2: I can't be unhappy about that because we don't have

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Speaker 2: enough people standing for these ridiculous seats, and by ridiculous

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01:37:51,240 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 2: I mean anything local body. At the moment, I can't

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Speaker 2: be ungrateful. At least we've got a warm body in

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01:37:55,920 --> 01:38:00,920
Speaker 2: the seat there. But Elizabeth is back, yet another central

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01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 2: body politician coming to local body because it didn't work

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Speaker 2: for them in central government. Anyway, there you go. There's

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Speaker 2: your update on on former MPs ants.

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Speaker 8: Who do you think you are? By the Spice girls

2108
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:13,639
Speaker 8: to play us out tonight? It's so scary, Spice Melb.

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Speaker 8: She has gotten married. She's gotten married to Rory mcpee,

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Speaker 8: a hair stylist in Morocco. If you think that headline

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Speaker 8: sounds familiar, it's probably because she's already married to Rory.

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Speaker 20: Sure.

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Speaker 8: Her and Rory got married a month ago in London

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Speaker 8: and clearly enjoyed the wedding experience so much that they

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Speaker 8: thought they'd just do it again.

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Speaker 2: They did the spiritual one in Morocco, didn't they?

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Speaker 14: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Oh, okay, right? So was that a five star hotel?

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Speaker 8: Selman Marrakesh, So sounds incredibly spiritual.

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Speaker 2: Now did you think what I think thought when I

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Speaker 2: looked at the.

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Speaker 8: Pictures, those look like some very rich, happy people.

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Speaker 2: No, I thought, for a hair dresser, your hair is

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Speaker 2: a bit shite all did you not think that? I mean, look,

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Speaker 2: I'm not in a position to judge, because.

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Speaker 12: Is what I mean.

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Speaker 8: I have a number two all over, so I can't

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Speaker 8: really talk.

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Speaker 2: And I'm a mum, So who cares. Whatever, whatever happens

2130
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,439
Speaker 2: is what you get. But he's a hairdresser, and that's

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01:38:57,439 --> 01:38:58,760
Speaker 2: a shy haircut. You have a look at it.

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Speaker 8: Well, maybe you can't cut your own here, right, So

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Speaker 8: maybe he just can't find anyone who to the standards.

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01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he hasn't got a good hea dresser anyway.

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Speaker 22: Maybe.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, it must be frustrated.

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Speaker 2: It sucks for him. Okay, see you tomorrow

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Speaker 1: For more from Hither Duplessy Allen Drive listen live to

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