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Speaker 1: Heller Duper see Allen. So Chris Luxon has spoken to

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump on the phone for the first time since

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Speaker 1: the US election last week. He says he congratulated Trump

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Speaker 1: on his big winn and then they talked about deepening

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Speaker 1: ties between New Zealand and the US. So Don McKinnon

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Speaker 1: is a former deputy Prime ministan forum in Sandy's with US.

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Speaker 2: Now, Hey, Don, good evening, how are you well? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: Is this a cove for Luxeon to get this phone

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Speaker 1: call or is this just what you would expect?

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Speaker 2: Well, I would hope the reasonably expected. After all, we've

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Speaker 2: always been pretty good friends with the United States, and

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Speaker 2: obviously there are one hundred and ninety plus prime ministers

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Speaker 2: or presidents wanting to talk to the new president of

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Speaker 2: the United States. So I would say we've been fairly

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Speaker 2: high up in the queue, and that's a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Now, I mean the official, the official explanation for what

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Speaker 1: they talked about is the deepening of ties between New

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Speaker 1: Zealand and the US. And I struggled to buy that,

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Speaker 1: given what a wild card Donald Trump is. So what

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Speaker 1: do you think they actually talked about.

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Speaker 2: I think Chris Lackson would want to just put in

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Speaker 2: front of the President. Look, these are the three things

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Speaker 2: that New Zealand is particularly interested in. One's obviously going

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Speaker 2: to be trade, second would be security in the Indo

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Speaker 2: Pacific area, and certainly just the overall relationship. Now, on

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Speaker 2: the other hand, mister Trump would have had a piece

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Speaker 2: of paper in front of him which said New Zealand

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Speaker 2: new Prime Minister Chris Lackson suggests you ask him about

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Speaker 2: A B and C and so Trump might wanted some

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Speaker 2: reinformation on the security issues. But look, I'm only guessing.

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Speaker 2: I've seen a number of these conversations at some point

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Speaker 2: in my time. They tend to be fairly informally formal.

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Speaker 1: Put it that way, do you reckon that Chris Lackson

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Speaker 1: would have gone straight in on the tariffs today?

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Speaker 2: No, I wouldn't think he'd go straight in on tariffs.

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Speaker 2: So I think he would highlight the fact that New Zealand,

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Speaker 2: as a trading nation, we've always had a good relationship

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Speaker 2: with the United States and hope it could continue.

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Speaker 1: Brilliant stuff. Hey, thank you very much, Sir Don Mkin

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Speaker 1: and former Deputy Prime Minister, Foreign at Fairs Minister in

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