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Speaker 1: On the huddle of us. So Seevening. We have Jack Tame,

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Speaker 1: host of Q and A Saturday Mornings here on Newstig

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Speaker 1: Zibi and Jordan Williams Taxpayers Union Hire you too, Jack,

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Speaker 1: Jordan are you down there at field Days?

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Speaker 2: Are you? I sure, am world, it's amazing, it's amazing.

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Speaker 2: The PM got a little bit more pushback than I

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Speaker 2: think he was expecting, notwithstanding that poll we're going to

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Speaker 2: that the governing parties take the support of farmers for granted.

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Speaker 1: Push back.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, he was pretty snaky on the FEDS have

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Speaker 2: a great little campaign around save our sheep. This is

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Speaker 2: the issue with forestry taking over all the productive, so

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Speaker 2: many of the productive farmland. And he went in there

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Speaker 2: of money. Ra rah. So clearly it's you know, when

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Speaker 2: plotics was reacting that it's hitting a sore spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So not reading the room on that one,

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Speaker 1: I would have thought, Jack, what do you make of

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Speaker 1: ground Swell advocating for us to pull out of the Climate.

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Speaker 3: Cord yeah, I'm not altogether surprised, and I see the

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Speaker 3: X David Simils are making similar calls. I can't see

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Speaker 3: national supporting that move for the moment, but I can

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Speaker 3: foresee a scenario in the next couple of years in

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Speaker 2: Eh, you know what.

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Speaker 3: You know those commitments we made, Yeah, we're not going

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Speaker 3: to be reaching.

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Speaker 1: Those and that we need right Well, well.

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Speaker 3: Look, New Zealand's not going to lead it. We're not

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Speaker 3: going to be the Internet. We're not going to be

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Speaker 3: the country that leads all these other international players pulling

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Speaker 3: out of Paris, you know. But I mean, so much

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Speaker 3: of the stuff is around branding, and we like to

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Speaker 3: think of ourselves as being clean and green. But keep

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Speaker 3: in mind that even to meet our commitments, even if

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Speaker 3: we had significantly reduced our emissions much more than we have,

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Speaker 3: of dollars in international carbon credits, as dubious as they

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Speaker 3: we're not going to buy the credits to make out

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Speaker 3: the short wall between where we are and where are commitments.

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Speaker 1: He would be, do you think it's in this inevitability

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Speaker 1: about this? Jordan?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Jack's being on. But I'd put it

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Speaker 2: slightly differently because I get really annoyed just with with

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Speaker 2: politicians just misleading the public. Because you talk to the

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Speaker 2: even senior cabinet ministers and you talk to them about

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Speaker 2: the thirty billion dollars that we've signed up for missus

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Speaker 2: next Climate Target, and they all because it's not in

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Speaker 2: well it's not it's not there because you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't worrying Jordan. You know we're not going to pay it.

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Speaker 2: You know this is ridiculous. We're not going to really

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Speaker 2: moment you put them on tape, for which I did.

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Speaker 2: I asked little agreed today a sell willing ped the

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Speaker 2: oh no, we're very serious about it. You know, it's unimaginable.

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Speaker 2: We pull out and you know, missus Luxon, is that

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Speaker 2: super clarified?

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Speaker 1: Like I agree with you. I get irritated by this

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Speaker 1: think about it, think about our international branding. They cannot

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Speaker 2: Are already I mean, the Yanks have already said this

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Speaker 1: We're not going to go trading partner by any means.

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Speaker 2: Going to pull back because they're not in Paris.

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Speaker 1: Come on, but you know that we cannot afford it

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Speaker 2: Out the farmers. You know, it's just it makes me

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Speaker 1: But Jordan, do you not think do you not think

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Speaker 1: but they cannot say it internationally. So what it means

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Speaker 1: is you, as a smart farmer, need to start factoring

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Speaker 1: in that Paris is not a thing anymore.

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Speaker 2: You could be right. It's just I, in principle, really

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Speaker 2: dislike it when politicians say one thing on tape and

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Speaker 2: one thing I agree with you. That's why. That's why

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Speaker 1: But if they say it out loud, then someone like

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Speaker 1: Jack's going to absolutely rip his ninety, isn't he?

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Speaker 2: And he should?

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Speaker 3: Who's nightty am? I ripping? Well?

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Speaker 1: Can I just test this with you?

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Speaker 1: How gassed are you that the Paris Accord is in nothing?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not very go because I'm quite technical

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Speaker 3: I do think climate change is a massive problem. I

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Speaker 3: how the market pressures outside of the explicit detail and

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Speaker 3: the Powis agreement are dictating behavior. So if you look

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Speaker 1: But again, let's see, let's see if it holds. I

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Speaker 1: Right, you're back with the Huddle, Jordan Williams and Jack Tame. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: you've ever done yourself one of those little tests as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have, And then I got worried about the

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Speaker 2: But I think that's where sort of you know, with

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Speaker 2: I think we need to be a little bit guarded.

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Speaker 2: But the biggest probably the horse has already bolted. You

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Speaker 2: be might be a little late for that.

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Speaker 1: I worry. I worry about the insurance aspect of a jack.

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Speaker 1: What about you?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, it sort of feels like remember that movie

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Speaker 3: Gasica Rember that. No, it feels like that.

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Speaker 2: What do film?

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Speaker 3: The Key We guy who wrote The Truman Show as well.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, fantastic film. Anyway, it's it's kind of talked

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Speaker 3: about the DNA profiling in the Fighting Comone's Future, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: But there you go.

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Speaker 1: How do you know this fact?

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Speaker 3: Because I was on a TV show that went into

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Speaker 3: That is anyway, that is I'm similarly concerned, and so

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Speaker 3: I'm in the process of trying to.

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Speaker 1: Have what's the coolest thing about you? Actually right now.

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Speaker 4: About you?

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Speaker 3: It's probably a low bar. Really, yeah, it is true

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Speaker 3: that if you if you yeah, I think I think. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So the great great great grandfather was you know, but

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Speaker 1: Mm I love it. Hey, by the way, Jordan just

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Speaker 1: quickly on that pole that you guys commissioned that found

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Speaker 1: only three percent of farmers would vote for later.

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Speaker 2: No us, not us, This isn't us, This is the Feds.

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Speaker 2: FEDS pole.

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Speaker 1: I gave you the credit. Take the credit, Just take

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Speaker 1: it while you still can. But why should be even

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Speaker 1: turning up? Because that, I mean, that's heartbreakingly low for him.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it? Clearly Road, clearly Road. There's no way three

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Speaker 2: percent of farmers support labor. What your polling company is?

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Speaker 2: There was this courier market reseerve what what's going on? No?

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Speaker 2: I mean labour actually just down down the way and

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Speaker 2: textiles you need, they've got to cut chippy hasn't turned

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Speaker 2: up yet when there's been a helicopter coming in and out.

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Speaker 2: We're waiting for it. Very clearly that they're trying to

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Speaker 2: make an effort. But it is a real worry. And

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Speaker 2: this is our largest export industry. Labor need the economic

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Speaker 2: credibility and you're only getting three percent. The other surprise,

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Speaker 2: the FEDS tell me that compared to their last poll

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Speaker 1: Promises, which is what you were saying before taking them

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Speaker 1: for granted. Guys, thanks so much, Jack, Tam Jordan Williams Huddles.

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