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Speaker 1: So a little after ten o'clock Sunday morning, New Zealand

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Speaker 1: time look at what happened, And by the end of

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Speaker 1: yesterday they had confirmed it was a twenty year old

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Speaker 1: Thomas Matthew Crooks. He and a male bystander both died

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Speaker 1: at the rally. So where does security and the investigation

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Speaker 1: go from here? Gilbundola is a former Marine senior fellow

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Speaker 1: at Defense Priorities in Washington, d C. And is with

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Speaker 1: us good morning to you, good morning. The big Well,

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Speaker 1: the big question seems to be, how does a person

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Speaker 1: with a gun on a roof get that close to

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Speaker 1: a presidential candidate? Do we have any obvious answers?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think we have any obvious answers yet.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's that is the big question, above all

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Speaker 2: the you know, the downstream political impacts and everything else

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Speaker 2: people are speculating and talking about. But yeah, it seems

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Speaker 2: pretty clear that the shooter got, you know, four hundred

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Speaker 2: feet to one hundred and fifty meters or so away

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Speaker 2: from from the stage to take a shot at the

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Speaker 2: former president.

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Speaker 1: We are lucky he's not. Did Is that a fair assessment?

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Speaker 2: Yeahsolutely. I mean it's it's you know, it's it's not

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Speaker 2: the easiest thing in the world to shoot someone the

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Speaker 2: ahead of that distance to put this in the in

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Speaker 2: the starkest terms, but but absolutely it looks like one

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Speaker 2: bullet missed him. It's not clear. It sounds like he

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Speaker 2: was hitting you know, uh from President Trump was hit

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Speaker 2: in the ear by glass. But he's he said, the

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Speaker 2: bullet clipped his ear And obviously, uh, you know, an

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Speaker 2: another guy attending the rally was killed and two people wounded,

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Speaker 2: so it was extremely close.

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Speaker 1: For on thing, how do they work out how much security?

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Speaker 1: Is there a standard mechanism in place, it's six yards

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Speaker 1: or meters and that's what they do each and every time,

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Speaker 1: or does it very wildly depending on where you are.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to speculate too much. You know, I'm

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Speaker 2: not I'm not in the Secret Service obviously and haven't

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Speaker 2: haven't served with them. But but usually, you know, at

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Speaker 2: risk analysis is going to depend upon to some extent,

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Speaker 2: upon the you know, the temperature, and threats, specific threats

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Speaker 2: and things like that if you have them. But generally

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Speaker 2: you're you're working off what you have to work with

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Speaker 2: in terms of terrain in the ground. To a certain extent,

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Speaker 2: in the size of the crowd, right, so, but it

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Speaker 2: does seem strange, if not inexcusable. You know, adds another

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Speaker 2: information that that there was a shooter on the rooftop

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Speaker 2: of a building, as I said, you know, just four

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Speaker 2: hundred feet away from the stage. That that seems crazy

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Speaker 2: on the face of it. Reporting is that there were

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Speaker 2: Secret Service snipers on another building closer to the stage,

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Speaker 2: but not that one itself, which is which again is

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Speaker 2: from what we know now, is kind of mind blowing.

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Speaker 1: Would you expect security to obviously overtly change between now

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Speaker 1: and Novemba, You you.

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Speaker 2: Would think so. But there are you know, there are

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Speaker 2: constraints at the end of the day, just like there

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Speaker 2: are in any kind of security or surveillance. There are

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Speaker 2: only only so many people. And you know, you can

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Speaker 2: you can put on something like this. You know you're

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Speaker 2: not going to I doubt, I highly doubt. You know,

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Speaker 2: former President Trump is going to stop doing big rallies.

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Speaker 2: And we've got the Republican Convention coming up in Milwaukee

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Speaker 2: in a couple of days, and I think that is

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Speaker 2: going to proceed. I'm sure there'll be heights ofecurity, but

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Speaker 2: I don't think that's going to be a fundamentally different events.

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Speaker 2: My suspicion no, and obviously sorry.

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Speaker 1: What do you what do you do about about a

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Speaker 1: loan route? This guy, Thomas Crooks, we know next to nothing,

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Speaker 1: all of them, apart from the fact he was registered Republican,

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Speaker 1: donated to the Democrats, and no criminal record. How do

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Speaker 1: you stop a lone wolf?

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Speaker 2: Right? I mean, I think you you put in the

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Speaker 2: best physical security you can and you and you remain

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Speaker 2: very alert. And there's obviously we have a lot more

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Speaker 2: you know, signals, surveillance and things like that, and ways

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Speaker 2: to kind of disrupt threats to the FBI obviously does

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Speaker 2: a lot of that online in terms of and we

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Speaker 2: use those You hate to say that the kind of

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Speaker 2: the war came home, but some of those things are

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Speaker 2: techniques that were home throughout twenty years of war on terrorism.

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Speaker 2: But we obviously have a different set of civil liberties,

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Speaker 2: you know, laws and and and things we allow inside

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Speaker 2: the United States and American citizens. It's not the same

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Speaker 2: way we treat, you know, potential foreign attackers.

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Speaker 1: You'll appreciate your expertise very much, and we'll catch up

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Speaker 1: ensuing Gil Bandola, who's the former Marine Senior Fellow at

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