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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Saturday Morning with Jack Team podcast

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Speaker 1: from News Talks Be and Google.

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Speaker 2: Sutherland, our clinical psychologist from Umbrella Well Being, is with

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Speaker 2: us this morning. Canter Google Cured.

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Speaker 3: And mister Tame, How are you this morning?

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Speaker 2: Very very well? Thank you? How are you you into

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Speaker 2: e F one? Is that you're scene?

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Speaker 3: Look? I never was a part until you know, I

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Speaker 3: started watching the Drive to Survive. I'm exactly and yeah,

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Speaker 3: and now it's like, oh, yeah, I know all about

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Speaker 3: that liamla So yes, I was interested. You're listening to

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Speaker 3: to the aps and downs of of his progress. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think I think it sounds like respectable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even need to really be into racing,

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Speaker 2: you know, you can kind of just appreciate the interpersonal

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Speaker 2: drama of it all and then see how Liam Lawson

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Speaker 2: conducts himself and feel kind of proud about it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The racing is, the racing is a sort of

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Speaker 3: a sidepect total sort.

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Speaker 2: Of money and the glamor and everything else.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, absolutely done a great job of marketing it.

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Speaker 2: They have, they really have. It's amazing how those TV

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Speaker 2: shows like Drive to Survive, Tour de France Unchained, It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: How they've kind of rejuvenated interest in those sports.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, we digress this This is You've got some really

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Speaker 2: interesting new research for us this morning that looks at

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Speaker 2: the connections or relationship between stress and the gut. And

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Speaker 2: it can probably best be summarized as saying, worrying does

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Speaker 2: indeed make you sick, so you can worry yourself set.

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Speaker 3: Is that fair? I think it is. And I was

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Speaker 3: intrigued to read this because when I was a young

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Speaker 3: teen I remember I had all these stomach unexplained stomach issues,

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Speaker 3: and I had a sore stomach and I'd wake up

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Speaker 3: in the morning with a sore gut and nobody could

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Speaker 3: really figure it out. And I was going to the

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Speaker 3: doctor and doing all these tests and this sort of thing.

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Speaker 3: And I mean, at the time, I knew that I

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Speaker 3: was a bit anxious and a bit worried about I

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Speaker 3: don't even know what it was at the time, you know,

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Speaker 3: typical teenage things, probably girlfriends and friends and that kind

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Speaker 3: of thing. But I think now, looking back in hindsight,

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Speaker 3: that anxiety, that stress that I was experiencing was causing

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Speaker 3: my stomach pain. Yeah, and this this research is sort

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Speaker 3: of highlighting how that link really works. So it's fascinating stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's really that's very intriguing. So but basically,

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Speaker 2: you know, I think I think we're starting to get

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Speaker 2: a better understanding right of how gut health affects our

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Speaker 2: body health. But these researchers have found that by taking

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Speaker 2: out a couple of glands and mice that that line

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Speaker 2: the walls of the small and testine, it kind of

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Speaker 2: has triggered inflammation and the chances that they would then

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Speaker 2: get sick or get a kind of infection and the

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Speaker 2: same thing happens to people as well. All can happen

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Speaker 2: to people as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. So it's that link between they found

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Speaker 3: a gland and you don't have the gland, you get it,

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Speaker 3: you get information in your stomach. And they found that

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Speaker 3: that's because there's a reduction in good gut bacteria that

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Speaker 3: protects your stomach. So that's that makes sense in the gut, right,

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Speaker 3: But the connection I think was missing with the brain.

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Speaker 3: But what they've found is that that gland in the

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Speaker 3: gut is connected. We've got this big vegas nerve that

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Speaker 3: runs right down the middle of our body that's responsible

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Speaker 3: for whole lots of things, but it connects right and

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Speaker 3: from your gut up into your brain and up to

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Speaker 3: part of your brain called the amygdala, and that's where

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Speaker 3: your fight or flight response sits. And people will know,

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Speaker 3: you know, most people have an idea of what that is.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing that gets activated when we are stressed.

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Speaker 3: So it turns on our stress response. And what the

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Speaker 3: research has found they sort of they connected the two.

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Speaker 3: They found that if there was chronic and this wasn't mice,

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Speaker 3: but they're assuming it works the same in humans that

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Speaker 3: if mice were chronically stress, there amigdala was all fired up.

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Speaker 3: It transmitted down the vagus nerve into their gut, into

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Speaker 3: that particular gland and they saw the shutdown of that

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Speaker 3: gland and the reduction in the the good gut bacteria

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Speaker 3: and then more stomach pain and information in the gut.

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Speaker 3: And so it's it really, I think shows how connected

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Speaker 3: our whole body system is. That the stomach and the

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Speaker 3: gut talks to the brain, and the brain talks to

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Speaker 3: the gut and it's all sort of tied up together.

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Speaker 3: So whilst so we sometimes think of stress and worry

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Speaker 3: as something that's in our heads, it's also very much

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, okay, yeah, that makes sense. So what

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Speaker 2: can we do about it? Don't get stressed.

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Speaker 3: If only look I think you know, it obviously highlights

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Speaker 3: that managing your stress levels and whether that's a home

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Speaker 3: or a where you know, we know that that's good anyway,

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Speaker 3: but it's good not only if your mental health, but

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Speaker 3: your physical health I think also too. And I'm not

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Speaker 3: obviously a gut specialist, but i would imagine that it

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Speaker 3: points to us making sure that we take care of

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Speaker 3: our diet and our guts as well and keeping that

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Speaker 3: good gut bacteria. And you probably need you probably need

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Speaker 3: a nutritionists really to be talking about to be talking

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Speaker 3: about that, but I think you know, it really highlights

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Speaker 3: that how one looking after one part of our health

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Speaker 3: impacts the whole of our body. So look after your

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Speaker 3: brain and that will look after your stomach. Look after

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Speaker 3: your stomach, and that will look after your brain. And

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Speaker 3: which is I mean, it makes sort of common sense

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Speaker 3: in a way, and I think we all know it,

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Speaker 3: but it's good to have that sort of scientific understanding

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Speaker 3: of actually what's going on when we're doing that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, I mean that, Yeah, it's very it's funny

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Speaker 2: because it feels intuitive in a sense, being able to

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Speaker 2: have the science to back it up as a as

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Speaker 2: a different kind of story. And it's funny that it

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Speaker 2: feels intuitive, you know that it makes that kind of

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Speaker 2: makes sense to us, even if we haven't necessarily been

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Speaker 2: able to pinpoint it quite like the study has.

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Speaker 3: I know. That's I find that vaguely disappointing at times

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Speaker 3: about yeah, sci scientific discoveries. Everybody goes, oh, yeah, that

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Speaker 3: makes sense. There was Yeah, I knew that, And it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: me too, but this isn't it amazing? But it's like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: but we just we kind of knew that, didn't we.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, we we sort of did. But but look,

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Speaker 3: here's the actual evidence to show what the connection is.

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Speaker 3: I think a bunch of understand the connections. You know,

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Speaker 3: you can you can isolate much more how you can

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Speaker 3: actually help, Like what can you do about the gut

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Speaker 3: bacteria for example? And maybe and this is me speculating,

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Speaker 3: but maybe you know, if you address gut bacteria, you're

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Speaker 3: going to reduce the symptoms of anxiety and stress, and

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Speaker 3: then that'll that will flow up back to the brain

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Speaker 3: as well, so you know, we don't have to just

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Speaker 3: focus on mental ways of coping with streets. It could

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Speaker 3: be physical as well, right.

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Speaker 2: Right, that makes sense. Hey, thank you Google. That's very

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Speaker 2: very interesting and thank you for bringing that study to

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Speaker 2: our attention. Google Sutherland our clinical psychologist there. He was,

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Speaker 2: of course, with the Umbrella Wellbeing.

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